I can explain to you why the metal rusts faster when dull. When polished or burnished as this technically would be called, the pores are closed smaller in the metal. This happens because the top layer isn't just being removed, it's also being pushed around by the dull portions of the pad which presses the peaks of the pores down and closes them further. Meaning there's less possible avenues for iron oxide to make it past the surface into the less dense core of the metal. The metal is cold or hot rolled so the outer shell is very tightly grained from the pressure it's under in the rollers. However inside this thin layer is a more granular core. If you've ever looked at a geode with mineral streaks inside the process of metal oxidation is basically a microscopic version of that. All those gaps in the grain allow the oxide to wick its way throughout the panel like a root system sucking up water.This is why deep scratches will rust quickly on a stripped panel. A secondary cause for slowed rust is the slick surface doesn't allow contaminants to bond as easily so there's less chance something in the air, rain, etc etching through the protective outer shell. I'm not a master metallurgist, but I did study it a decent amount during my gunsmithing schooling and training. We actually had that exact question pop up in class because whether the metal is blued (black oxide) or polished bare steel, the rougher surface finish parts always rust easier even if they are oiled and fairly well taken care of. We also learned that you must either keep in mind that once you take metal to a high level of polish it gets harder and harder to get the oxidation process to begin because the pores are more closed off. Also, yes a blued finish on guns is just rust, so is the black oxide coating on tools. Once the parts are covered in orange ferric oxide we boil them to convert to ferrous oxide and card off the dust leaving a coating that resists the bad oxides and is itself more or less inert. Very easy to do at home with as little as a spray bottle of salt water, a soft wire brush to card,and a pot of boiling water.
Sometimes self taught is the best and only way, I was 14, saved and got a mig welder, got an old hood, cut it up and practiced welding it back together again, never looked back since. Keep up the good work Billy 💪
Watching you use that just made me realize that I can probably fix a quarter panel on my mark VIII that I thought needed to be cut out and replaced. Already got that tool ordered on Amazon. Love the content and appreciate all the knowledge you are giving the world. Thanks so much for your time!!!
Sorry to hear about your sight. I know how much I value mine. Hopefully it is something that can be held off for a long time. I appreciate all the knowledge you are passing on. I have some paint and body issues on several of my vehicles, and I plan to look back through your archives to figure out the best ways to tackle them. Thanks again. ❤
My dad was also self taught, he taught us how to do everything by telling us what worked. I'm grateful for him showing my brother and I everything he could before he passed. It's really cool watching you work on stuff. This is what learning looks like.
@@dustinfurman4045 Yes spend as much time with Dad as possible because we don't know when they will be gone. If I could have gotten more time with him that would have been great.
Good morning Billy, appreciate you taking the time to share what you know with those that don't or think they do. Only thing I know is that I know nothing. I am always interested in learning new skills. You never know if something you learn today might be a skill you need tomorrow. God bless you and yours from NYC.
Ive been wanting an in depth step by step of the metal working and that new tool has pin point precision. Nice. Like seeing michelangelo at work. ✌💞🖖🤙💪
Very nice work and tutorial showing and sharing how it's done. Stay hydrated Billy. Knock of in the peak heat of the day. Thanks for sharing. 👍 👍💯 Take care, Ed.
Looks nice Billy. I work with aluminum and fiberglass mostly. So I have the fancy pliers and just use self tap-it screws. The pliers have a pad to pry on and gives you room to 🔨 around the area being pulled.
Yes sir , love that spot weld / dent puller !!!!! Where was that in the 80's ? Lol Wow , that is awesome tool , gotta get one ASAP !!!!!! My other one will have a different purpose !!!!! I agree with you on the fiber glass as fill on deeper holes , and it's more water resistant. Love your videos and shorts too 👍
@@OldBondoBilly thanks brother 👍 I'm 64.5 and love body work ! Just might do this on the side ! That puller changes the whole game 👍 Thanks brother again ! Heard a lot about Vevor but never tried it .
They were developed in the 70's but were probably too expensive for home use. The boss bought one in the late 80's and I have been using it since the late 90's. A cebora 3500 and it is still on the go, just used it last week. At home I have the gd90e. The shrinking rods are great, like a magic finger. There is a hemisphere tip that can be used for spot shrinking the high bits that you might overpull.
Morning Billy. Fwiw, i use a shrinking disk for the little 'pecks" , small high spots after pulling wrinkles up etc. Quick swipe, wet rag, quick swipe, wet rag- done. Works for me when needed.
Uncle Billy, this machine is so awesome. I bought one of those from the local pawn shop brand new never used in the box. Haven’t got to use it yet but when I went to auto body school, my father bought me a snap on one long time ago, it was possibly the first ones that came out when these were invented, you remember when dinosaurs used to roam the Earth we had a flood in our house and the damn thing got destroyed in the flood homeowners insurance paid for everything but I never purchase another one but I found one at the local pawnshop paid 120 bucks for it. I’m going to do some videos using it. I was strolling through UA-cam and came across your video and noticed you have the same tool. Good job, uncle Billy, the king of auto body.🫶🏻
I thought that puller would work well on newer cars with thinner metal. But you answered my question it is sturdy enough for old cars with heavier gauge 👍🏻
I've got one of those stud guns Billy and while they're a useful tool I agree they're a "big hammer". Not a finesse tool at all. Love this tool you're using here!!
Light and shadows are key to seeing what the heck you're doing, that's why the polishing effect of the 36 grit is key to what you're doing, you're metal finishing skills in my opinion are more liken to an old school coach builder which make you so much more effective as a body guy not to mention if that is the original quarte on the vehicle you're retaining far more value of the worth of the vehicle as opposed to replacing it with a crappy aftermarket panel which rarely fits properly anyway...
Great seeing a full length video ! … I will definitely 👍🏻 get me a vevor dent puller ! BILLY does it right , and I know a few guys in my town that worked at a high end shop over the years and my man Billy and My friend Pete from Swrnc … do very similar real world quality work and end up with show quality jobs !
the sand paper may be leaving a silica residue on the metal.. maybe try wiping the spot your welding on with a little 95 percent alchohol now and then?
Dang!! Billy just told y'all "Don't sing it, bring it". 🤷🏻♂️. Y'all shouldnt interrupt the class like that,.. Billy's last video ever will be him bondoing a troll to a fender..
Local shop clamped the ground of the arc welder onto the tips of my exhaust when they were doing some work. How should I get rid of the light scratches in my stainless steel exhaust from the teeth of the clamp?
Hey Billy, I saw a video recently were a rear quarter was replaced by cementing in bricks, then cementing over prior to using bondo, finishing & then painting. I always thought a lighter car was faster & more fuel efficient; bricks structural strength lay only in compression... but what would I know?🤔🤓 I shall see if I can find the link & add below. You are doing well Billy. Thanks for doing as you do... Kudos!👍🏻👍🏻🖖🏻 The link: ua-cam.com/users/shortsBJ_9I4dSOVg?feature=share
@@OldBondoBilly I thought there could be a joke there ….. we would still touch the shrinked , “ like “ thingee !!!! Love your humour BILLY ….I ll be all over these comments weeding out trolls 👍🏻💪🏻
Joe Rogan always tells his guests not to read the comments....We appreciate you but not everyone has a father and that makes some people really nasty. Maybe Rogan is right?
@@williamsprout925maybe 4 years ago that was an argument. now he stands up against the corporate machine. keep learning, parroting your old rigid and frankly outdated beliefs is cringe.
NICE …. We all need to support real life pros like Billy , and weed out haters and trolls …. my theory is they are inadequate , jealous , unhappy or all 3
I can metal finish but WHY? I 71 years young. On thing I know for a fact! Get it close and then use what man has invented. PANEL BOND! AKA BONDO! It's better than welding most of the time! 2024 🎉
I honestly thought panel bond was used to join a skin and structure together and bondo was used to mask unfinished metal work. Not sure, but could use some clarification. Thx
@cfldentrepair I build street rods. There is times where the sheet metal is so very thin that panel bond or JB weld is all you can use. The metal will disappear right before your eyes if you put any heat to it. WELDING
@Bondo Billy I recently found your channel and I thoroughly enjoy watching and learning how to do body work and paint. I have experience doing minor paint work, but I have learned a lot from the handful of videos that I have watched from your channel. Everytime you say, "touch my like thingy, and subscribe damnit" puts a smile on my face and makes me laugh. Keep up the awesome work, and keep your head up. Peace and blessings to you and yours!
Here’s the link to the initial demo of the Vevor GD90E, including a purchase link with discount code: ua-cam.com/video/D6PIgWv3d_Y/v-deo.html
Thanks for the link
Thanks Billy!
I can explain to you why the metal rusts faster when dull. When polished or burnished as this technically would be called, the pores are closed smaller in the metal. This happens because the top layer isn't just being removed, it's also being pushed around by the dull portions of the pad which presses the peaks of the pores down and closes them further.
Meaning there's less possible avenues for iron oxide to make it past the surface into the less dense core of the metal. The metal is cold or hot rolled so the outer shell is very tightly grained from the pressure it's under in the rollers. However inside this thin layer is a more granular core. If you've ever looked at a geode with mineral streaks inside the process of metal oxidation is basically a microscopic version of that.
All those gaps in the grain allow the oxide to wick its way throughout the panel like a root system sucking up water.This is why deep scratches will rust quickly on a stripped panel.
A secondary cause for slowed rust is the slick surface doesn't allow contaminants to bond as easily so there's less chance something in the air, rain, etc etching through the protective outer shell.
I'm not a master metallurgist, but I did study it a decent amount during my gunsmithing schooling and training.
We actually had that exact question pop up in class because whether the metal is blued (black oxide) or polished bare steel, the rougher surface finish parts always rust easier even if they are oiled and fairly well taken care of.
We also learned that you must either keep in mind that once you take metal to a high level of polish it gets harder and harder to get the oxidation process to begin because the pores are more closed off. Also, yes a blued finish on guns is just rust, so is the black oxide coating on tools.
Once the parts are covered in orange ferric oxide we boil them to convert to ferrous oxide and card off the dust leaving a coating that resists the bad oxides and is itself more or less inert. Very easy to do at home with as little as a spray bottle of salt water, a soft wire brush to card,and a pot of boiling water.
Thanks for taking the time for the good explanation about rust.
Phillip Hall
Sometimes self taught is the best and only way, I was 14, saved and got a mig welder, got an old hood, cut it up and practiced welding it back together again, never looked back since. Keep up the good work Billy 💪
I started at 14 too, but with Bondo😉😉
@@OldBondoBilly haha, bondo billy by name and nature
Watching you use that just made me realize that I can probably fix a quarter panel on my mark VIII that I thought needed to be cut out and replaced. Already got that tool ordered on Amazon. Love the content and appreciate all the knowledge you are giving the world. Thanks so much for your time!!!
Sorry to hear about your sight. I know how much I value mine. Hopefully it is something that can be held off for a long time. I appreciate all the knowledge you are passing on. I have some paint and body issues on several of my vehicles, and I plan to look back through your archives to figure out the best ways to tackle them. Thanks again. ❤
My dad was also self taught, he taught us how to do everything by telling us what worked. I'm grateful for him showing my brother and I everything he could before he passed. It's really cool watching you work on stuff. This is what learning looks like.
Dads are badass ima go spend some time with mine you have a great night man
@@dustinfurman4045 Yes spend as much time with Dad as possible because we don't know when they will be gone. If I could have gotten more time with him that would have been great.
Good morning Billy, appreciate you taking the time to share what you know with those that don't or think they do. Only thing I know is that I know nothing. I am always interested in learning new skills. You never know if something you learn today might be a skill you need tomorrow. God bless you and yours from NYC.
Ive been wanting an in depth step by step of the metal working and that new tool has pin point precision. Nice.
Like seeing michelangelo at work.
✌💞🖖🤙💪
Very nice work and tutorial showing and sharing how it's done.
Stay hydrated Billy.
Knock of in the peak heat of the day.
Thanks for sharing. 👍 👍💯
Take care, Ed.
Just ordered the vevor dent puller from Amazon got the kit with extra pullers thanks for the review
Your honesty and knowledge shines through in your videos 👍🙏
Got my first project last year, these videos have been making my life so much easier. Great job
Looks nice Billy. I work with aluminum and fiberglass mostly. So I have the fancy pliers and just use self tap-it screws. The pliers have a pad to pry on and gives you room to 🔨 around the area being pulled.
I seen that metal move. Great tool. Ive never seen that before.
Billy polishing the metal is genius! As you said, you can see the reflection of the dents 'high' and 'low' spots that way.
Thanks again, Phillip Hall
Thanks Phillip😊😊
real metal , real metal craftsmen , thank you .
Very meticulous work, only from a master!👍
Yes sir , love that spot weld / dent puller !!!!! Where was that in the 80's ? Lol Wow , that is awesome tool , gotta get one ASAP !!!!!! My other one will have a different purpose !!!!! I agree with you on the fiber glass as fill on deeper holes , and it's more water resistant. Love your videos and shorts too 👍
Order your GD90E from my video so they’ll throw ol’ Billy a bone. Fibral Lite is actually waterproof 😉😉
@@OldBondoBilly is what you call fiber lite same as tiger hair ? It's on my list brother !!!!! 👍
@DavidRobinson-mx6cl Upol Fibral lite is the only fiberglass reinforced filler that I know of that’s waterproof. It has a super-slick resin.😉😉
@@OldBondoBilly thanks brother 👍 I'm 64.5 and love body work ! Just might do this on the side ! That puller changes the whole game 👍 Thanks brother again ! Heard a lot about Vevor but never tried it .
They were developed in the 70's but were probably too expensive for home use. The boss bought one in the late 80's and I have been using it since the late 90's. A cebora 3500 and it is still on the go, just used it last week. At home I have the gd90e. The shrinking rods are great, like a magic finger. There is a hemisphere tip that can be used for spot shrinking the high bits that you might overpull.
Another great one Billy! I must give that tool a try!
👊😎✌️
Awesome video. Learned a lot from you on this one. Thank you
Morning Billy. Fwiw, i use a shrinking disk for the little 'pecks" , small high spots after pulling wrinkles up etc. Quick swipe, wet rag, quick swipe, wet rag- done. Works for me when needed.
Great work Billy. Im looking forward to trying some of this stuff for myself.
A bolt in the end of a stud gun is fun...
heat - pull - shrink
twist to release*
I like the long vids Billy. Nice process, seems like a great tool
Good information.......thanks for sharing.
You always find the best way for who cares or anybody😊😊
Uncle Billy, this machine is so awesome. I bought one of those from the local pawn shop brand new never used in the box. Haven’t got to use it yet but when I went to auto body school, my father bought me a snap on one long time ago, it was possibly the first ones that came out when these were invented, you remember when dinosaurs used to roam the Earth we had a flood in our house and the damn thing got destroyed in the flood homeowners insurance paid for everything but I never purchase another one but I found one at the local pawnshop paid 120 bucks for it. I’m going to do some videos using it. I was strolling through UA-cam and came across your video and noticed you have the same tool. Good job, uncle Billy, the king of auto body.🫶🏻
Shots fired man down, Billy how could you? You hurt their, feelings. Damn trade snobs!!!! Go gettem’ !!!!!!!
NICE !!! Another guy who gets it …. love weeding out troll haters
I thought that puller would work well on newer cars with thinner metal. But you answered my question it is sturdy enough for old cars with heavier gauge 👍🏻
Dropping knowledge! Good on you mate!
I’ll record all the stuff I know, and create new stuff as I go😉😉
@@OldBondoBilly Your on point right now! Keep going with your gut feeling on what to show the world.
Nice work I watched the dents disappear,,that dent gun is nice 👍 👍
Great work
You deserve the title master
I really appreciate your channel. I’m going to try to restore my grandpa’s s10
I've got one of those stud guns Billy and while they're a useful tool I agree they're a "big hammer". Not a finesse tool at all. Love this tool you're using here!!
Amazing Ive done this for years and never saw that puller..
Thanks “BB”!
Another great tihinging thing that you do GODSPEED
Run ya drednaught file over it and we will see how flat it isnt. Slapper and dolly mate.Panelbeater painter of 53 years here. All the best from OZ.
Light and shadows are key to seeing what the heck you're doing, that's why the polishing effect of the 36 grit is key to what you're doing, you're metal finishing skills in my opinion are more liken to an old school coach builder which make you so much more effective as a body guy not to mention if that is the original quarte on the vehicle you're retaining far more value of the worth of the vehicle as opposed to replacing it with a crappy aftermarket panel which rarely fits properly anyway...
I need to get one of those pullers
Go Billy Go Billy Go Billy ! You’re like a kid in a candy store with that new toy!
Hey Kev, It’s like my Billy sander. Light years faster than the next closest tool😉😉
@@OldBondoBilly I was impressed with the former tool you used … somebody done reinvented the mouse trap on that one👍👀👍 very cool 👍😎👍
@@Kevscancave I haven’t even shown the wiggle wire yet…😮😮
I gotta get me one of those VEVOR GD90E thats awsome
Great seeing a full length video ! … I will definitely 👍🏻 get me a vevor dent puller ! BILLY does it right , and I know a few guys in my town that worked at a high end shop over the years and my man Billy and My friend Pete from Swrnc … do very similar real world quality work and end up with show quality jobs !
My friend Pete is a hoot😁😁
@@OldBondoBilly IYS COOL 😎 YHAT YOU REPLY TO SOME COMMENTS …. I appreciate what you guys do !!
@lawncuttingplusdelta I’d reply to all of them if I could, but I’m still 3,166 behind😉😉
@@OldBondoBilly I hear ya , I ll peck away at em , like the chickens 🐔 they are
I too like working in bare metal, cant just see and feel better, or, so i think anyway! Grin.
the sand paper may be leaving a silica residue on the metal.. maybe try wiping the spot your welding on with a little 95 percent alchohol now and then?
That is a good idea
No, no, no. What we see here is a professional at work...😊
Smooth as trolls ass. They can see themselves 😮😂😂
NICE ! Let’s weed out them troll haters
Dang!! Billy just told y'all "Don't sing it, bring it". 🤷🏻♂️. Y'all shouldnt interrupt the class like that,.. Billy's last video ever will be him bondoing a troll to a fender..
No, my last one will be building a coffin with 62 Caddy fins😁😁
Good vid !
The quarter panel on that car looks like it's never had a lot of mud that's good thing
✨Show them how it’s properly done dam it!
Local shop clamped the ground of the arc welder onto the tips of my exhaust when they were doing some work. How should I get rid of the light scratches in my stainless steel exhaust from the teeth of the clamp?
IDK😗😗
Fine sandpaper and some buffing should take them out
Hey Billy, I saw a video recently were a rear quarter was replaced by cementing in bricks, then cementing over prior to using bondo, finishing & then painting. I always thought a lighter car was faster & more fuel efficient; bricks structural strength lay only in compression... but what would I know?🤔🤓 I shall see if I can find the link & add below.
You are doing well Billy. Thanks for doing as you do... Kudos!👍🏻👍🏻🖖🏻
The link: ua-cam.com/users/shortsBJ_9I4dSOVg?feature=share
It’s a Lego car ! 🤣🤣
Great tool for touching that steel thingie...... Qualified meat world advertising and dissemination of expertise,
Keep up the good yob billey. And keep running your pie hole.😂
We love sweetie 🐈
Mõw🤣🤣
@@OldBondoBilly lol the best
Does the welding from that tool cause any shrinkage?
You can use it for shrinking, but that will be another video😉😉
@@OldBondoBilly I thought there could be a joke there ….. we would still touch the shrinked , “ like “ thingee !!!! Love your humour BILLY ….I ll be all over these comments weeding out trolls 👍🏻💪🏻
💪
Hey Billy, who makes your favorite Bondo?
Upol
Thank you for the video.
Is that the el dorado?
the camaro?
That is a genuine 69 Camaro pace car
Who makes the tool? Where can I get one?
Vevor. Look at the top of the page and press the more for the details and another video on this machine.
There a great machine. Pro. Bob
@@boblow2186 I can be slow!!! Much thanks!!!!
Ha no worries been there before my self.
YesWelder my 68
Any reason you dont use the wiggle wire for the body line?
Too short a dent this time, but I look forward to a longer dent😉😉
Joe Rogan always tells his guests not to read the comments....We appreciate you but not everyone has a father and that makes some people really nasty. Maybe Rogan is right?
Joe rogan is a shill.
@@williamsprout925maybe 4 years ago that was an argument. now he stands up against the corporate machine. keep learning, parroting your old rigid and frankly outdated beliefs is cringe.
NICE …. We all need to support real life pros like Billy , and weed out haters and trolls …. my theory is they are inadequate , jealous , unhappy or all 3
👍 👍 👍 👍
No bare hands on metal put cloves on.
Why don’t you go watch some more Fooz 🐴💩, Junior🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@OldBondoBilly LMAO 😂 ! Now son I was trying to help!!!!
I can metal finish but WHY? I 71 years young. On thing I know for a fact! Get it close and then use what man has invented. PANEL BOND! AKA BONDO! It's better than welding most of the time! 2024 🎉
I honestly thought panel bond was used to join a skin and structure together and bondo was used to mask unfinished metal work. Not sure, but could use some clarification. Thx
@cfldentrepair I build street rods. There is times where the sheet metal is so very thin that panel bond or JB weld is all you can use. The metal will disappear right before your eyes if you put any heat to it. WELDING
Meow
@Bondo Billy I recently found your channel and I thoroughly enjoy watching and learning how to do body work and paint. I have experience doing minor paint work, but I have learned a lot from the handful of videos that I have watched from your channel. Everytime you say, "touch my like thingy, and subscribe damnit" puts a smile on my face and makes me laugh. Keep up the awesome work, and keep your head up. Peace and blessings to you and yours!