The Secret to shooting a 410

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  • @NicoRusconi49
    @NicoRusconi49 Рік тому +23

    I'll turn 75 my next birthday and have accumulated a couple of health issues along the way. I hunt doves mostly and with a .410 mostly. I think it is adding to the number of years I will be able to hunt.

  • @lucastolson3570
    @lucastolson3570 Рік тому +35

    after watching films about .410 from TGS and TSC I decided to buy my first .410 at the height of the international cartridge shortage. I bought a Browning citori for my 49th birthday present. With the price and limited availability of cartridges I try to make every shot count. I used to consider the .410 a "child's gun" but after owning and shooting sporting clays with it I realized that it will make a man out of you and humble you scores. Box checked!

    • @harryminkley1962
      @harryminkley1962 Рік тому +6

      Did always wonder why the .410 was a ‘kids’ gun. One hell of a way to demoralize a kid and put them off the sport 😂. I love taking the .410 out for a couple boxes sometimes after I’m done with the 12

    • @funkla65
      @funkla65 Рік тому +2

      ​@@harryminkley1962I think it's a "kid's gun" in the sense that it goes bang, yet doesn't carry as far as a 22 if the neophyte forgets some of their target discipline. I'd guess most kids used them for small game rather than serious wingshooting.

    • @normankeoghan5298
      @normankeoghan5298 Рік тому +4

      I use my .410 for night shooting rabbits, very effective little gun. Used it for ducks this year and surprised myself how well I did. It makes you shoot properly, and it’s fun.

    • @marcveronneau8750
      @marcveronneau8750 Рік тому +1

      BRAVO !!!

    • @phild8095
      @phild8095 7 місяців тому +2

      Now that 410 ammo has gotten even more expensive and rarer I'd recommend to you a MEC 600 jr in 410, a 25 pound bag of shot, primers, 410 wads a reloading handbook for 410 and a can of Hodgdon's L'il Gun. The material costs of reloading 410 will soon pay off the equipment. And if you like you could reload 000 buckshot for it. Material costs for 410 birdshot is around 4 bucks a box if you have hulls.

  • @bmcc12
    @bmcc12 Рік тому +8

    I used my 410 for American skeet for many years on a standard skeet course, and I averaged about eighteen birds per round. I also used it for upland bird hunting, and loved it. It now belongs to my grandchildren!

  • @nhrunjumpthrow
    @nhrunjumpthrow Рік тому +6

    I bought a 725 .410 last year and absolutely love it. We often shoot 100 sporting clays with 12, 20, 16... then go out and shoot another 50 of the easier targets with .410. Last week I actually shot a better score with a .410 than a 12 gauge.

  • @stevenmaher1155
    @stevenmaher1155 Рік тому +5

    Webley Scott 4.10 bolt action. As much fun as you can have with your trousers on!

  • @LoneMechanic
    @LoneMechanic Рік тому +7

    I bought a Beretta Silver Pigeon .410 about a year ago and I love shooting it, yes I miss a lot but the fun. I have noticed the cartridges make more of a difference than a 12 bore

    • @marcveronneau8750
      @marcveronneau8750 Рік тому

      Dear sir, I am not at all surprised by your statement that your scores were higher using .410. My first 100 straight was the fruit of .410.

  • @Blondejam
    @Blondejam Рік тому +2

    Not shot a 410 for some 45 years!!! Looks like fun. Fantastic layout for a shoot. Good work guys!

  • @jimandmarypowell9783
    @jimandmarypowell9783 Рік тому +2

    Have had a Rizzini 410 for seven or eight years and I love it. With cylinder and IC chokes at under 30 yards, it bowls rabbits easily and smokes pigeons. Small shot like 8s still penetrates well enough to kill humanely and fills the pattern.

  • @SnoopReddogg
    @SnoopReddogg Рік тому +3

    Two of most embarrassing moments of my shooting life were 410 related.
    1) An Olympic gold medallist giving me a stir about doing 2 rounds od practiseDTL with a 410 , and
    2) deciding the slippery, hard plastic butt plate on the Yildiz needed to replaced with a rubber pad... trying to explain to the gunsmith ( and having tge rest of a busy shop overhear) that I wanted a rubber recoil pad on a 410 wasn't my finest hour.

  • @JefferyWoodcock
    @JefferyWoodcock 23 дні тому

    Lots of instructors, including myself, say, "shoot it like a 12 bore". If you consider the proper way to shoot, it really is true. Regardless of the size of the pattern, you aim the center of the pattern at the target.

  • @marcveronneau8750
    @marcveronneau8750 Рік тому +2

    Dear friends! What an interesting video. Thank you for showing us all its relevance to Sporting Clays presentations. You show us that this little one has plenty of merits. He deserves much more than to be relegated to oblivion. THANK YOU to the American skeet discipline who keeps two calibers alive still today: the .410 and the .28. Thanks also to all the authentic small game hunters who use the .410. These two categories help keep subgauge calibers alive.
    You guys demonstrates beyond a shadow of a doubt that it is not so much the number of pellets contained in a cartridge that guarantees success in clay shooting. The guarantee of success is to fire at the right time and at the right place in the trajectory. That's an open secret. The challenge is to apply the fundamentals in such a way as to shoot at the right time and at the right place WHILE ALWAYS looking at the target from the start.
    Late Wayne Mayes, Mr. American Skeet. This exceptional shooter and distinguished holder of an endless list of numerous titles and records, shows us that the well-known expression saying: bigger is better is not really justified in clay shooting. Meaning that the phrase more pellets more kills is not an axiom of truth. I raise this point because Mayes, in his successful career, hit 100 straight American skeet 200 times with the .410 caliber. For the last 6 or 5 years of his illustrious career, Mayes used only this caliber in all events of American skeet competition. To think that the secret of success is to relate to the caliber used is a bit like believing in Santa Claus... The secret lies in the optimal way of using the conjunction between peripheral vision and direct vision. The other determining element is to ensure an impeccable gun fit that matches the conformation of the shooter's face, the length of his neck and his LOP.
    With the aforementioned attributes, the targets move inexorably towards a fatal fate. Cheers to all of you guys.

  • @phild8095
    @phild8095 Рік тому +6

    As an older person with damaged shoulders a 410 appealed to me. So I bought one.
    If you have the patience a 410 makes you makes you a better shooter. 410 reloading while somewhat expensive to start quickly allows a payback of initial costs.
    I have also reloaded buckshot and rabbit shot for my 410.

    • @horn410
      @horn410 7 місяців тому

      In Russia, a 410 caliber cartridge costs 30-50 cents. I don't buy them in the store myself, I assemble them, I have a lot of components, and it costs 10-20 cents.

    • @phild8095
      @phild8095 7 місяців тому

      @@horn410 I'm reloading 410 also, about the same cost for materials for birdshot. buckshot costs about twice that.

    • @horn410
      @horn410 7 місяців тому

      @@phild8095 I really like to equip cartridges!!!

    • @phild8095
      @phild8095 7 місяців тому +1

      @@horn410 do you reload anything else? I reload 20 gauge, 380 ACP, 9mm Luger, and 223 Remington.

    • @horn410
      @horn410 7 місяців тому

      @@phild8095 Only 410.My second weapon is TOZ-16 (22LR).

  • @rockhillfarm6613
    @rockhillfarm6613 Рік тому +1

    Great video. I shoot a Browning 725 .410 at SC. I walk my courses and use it on the shorter presentations, something bigger for longer shots.
    My great uncle had a Winchester Model 42, plain Jane field gun that passed to my Dad, now me. Well used 1935 vintage. It is undergoing a complete revival, reblue, engraving sharpened up, adding a factory vent rib, exhibition quality wood with competition forend.
    It will be my 16 yard trap gun, will pass to my son, the 4th generation!

  • @dave_724
    @dave_724 Рік тому +3

    There’s only two calibres in my collection and the .410s never fail to make me smile it’ll kill nearly everything at barbury I think you need to invest in one and get at a few clays !

  • @johns280
    @johns280 Рік тому +1

    Used my $29 dollar Sears .410 single shot for clays. Absolutely loved it.

  • @Turbo-wj9qc
    @Turbo-wj9qc Рік тому +5

    .410 is hands down the most fun for sporting, most local courses are set up too easy for 12&20

  • @stevekunde123
    @stevekunde123 Рік тому +3

    I have been shooting American sporting clays with .410 for the last couple seasons. It put the fun back in the game. M/IM chokes and let er rip.

  • @bayoumike544
    @bayoumike544 Рік тому +1

    In my early teens I used to hunt rabbits with a hand me down .410 that came from my Grandpaw. My mother told me she shot it for the first time when she was 12 in the back yard. She did say however the back yard was 10 acers.

  • @dingo5208
    @dingo5208 Рік тому +1

    I have a mossberg pump 410 (to match the 20 gauge version also in my collection). I use it to hunt ruffed grouse and take off their head at 20 yards. It's light kicking so a say afield is not a painful affair. I would not collect them but 1 in the locker is nice to have.

  • @rufusduck71
    @rufusduck71 Рік тому +2

    Love my .410s
    Definitely my fave calibre .
    I isemine for some clays but mostly for pigeon decoying .i had 4 birds just in a short session today. Longest bird must have been 40 yds . Easily capable around the 30 - 35 yds range .i shoot mine better than the 20b and 12b .

  • @georgekhodr4443
    @georgekhodr4443 Рік тому +1

    Nice video, I love shooting .410s ... My TOZ-34 in 28 GAUGE is perfect for quail hunting.

  • @shanestewart9528
    @shanestewart9528 Рік тому

    I've bought the silver pigeon .410 two weeks ago, and I've never had so much fun shooting clays more fun then my 12g

  • @ewfisher89
    @ewfisher89 Рік тому

    My aunt owns a single shot .410 shotgun, not sure who made it. I hunted squirrels with it for years, until my parents got me a Rossi combo set (.410 and .22lr barrels). Now I use 12's and 20's primarily, but still take that .410 out on occasion.

  • @dougcooley8150
    @dougcooley8150 Рік тому

    shot a 410 for years Quail hunting ,,my favorite

  • @MjS-zb6jr
    @MjS-zb6jr Рік тому +7

    Hey if you can break clays with a 410 you can break them with most anything

  • @garretthurtt6254
    @garretthurtt6254 Рік тому

    The first clay i ever shot was with a single shot 410. I remember how big of a deal it was for me. Then stepped up tk a 20 ga and quickly to a 12 ga. Now days i stepped back to a 20 ga for everything

  • @seibrav
    @seibrav Рік тому +1

    I've got myself set up for handloading 410 brass. No ammo problems.

    • @eduffy4937
      @eduffy4937 Рік тому

      Poor fitting wads though lead to much lower velocities been down that road once already.backvto stuffing plastic hulls.

  • @bencrane8505
    @bencrane8505 Рік тому

    I’ve never found a .410 here stateside that fit me, and I’m only 6’3”. I need to find a 20 for dove hunting with a good LOP for me. Also, I feel ya on staying in the shade. I’m a ginger too.

  • @nocode1603
    @nocode1603 Рік тому

    The 410 was my late dad's favorite he said he did shot more pheasants & rabbits with 410 than his 12bore when rough shooting with the dog..

  • @ocean911
    @ocean911 Рік тому

    My grandfather was a skeet/clay pigeon shooting champion back in the 1970's and late 60's in the states. He used .410 as a training gun to get his accuracy down and in competition used Krieghoff 12 gauge over unders in matches.

  • @nevillewalker6299
    @nevillewalker6299 13 днів тому

    Shot one on game 25 days a season for the last seven years and if I put it in the pattern out to 40yrds it did the job and it fell out of the air, so my view on this is it is a load of you know what.
    As the guy said put it in the pattern.

  • @richardsveum8452
    @richardsveum8452 Рік тому +5

    A .410 is the rare breed that works well to teach children to accept recoil but truly doesn’t shine until it’s in an experts hand. I love the caliber but it will humble you.

  • @Charliefaulds
    @Charliefaulds Рік тому

    i love shooting sub-gauge, adds a lot of fun to clay shooting

  • @vadenk4433
    @vadenk4433 11 місяців тому +3

    I’d take the 2-1/2 inch.410 shell every time over the 3”. The factory loads for the 3 are so slow at 1100 fps. The 2-1/2 is usually 1235. I do have a 3/4 oz handload for the 3 inch that is 1210 fps. I use it for hunting as 3/4 oz was actually the factory weight for 3 inch.410’s back in the day. Since the factory loaded 3 inch with 11/16 oz at 1100 is completely ineffective against game. I once shot a grouse that was sitting on a log 3 times from 15 feet away with 3” federal #4 shot and watched it literally shake it feathers off after each shot- and then it walked away. Again American factory loads in 3 inch .410 are unethical to use on game imo. Take the velocity of the 1/2 oz 2-1/2 if you have to shoot factory loads. The 1/2 oz is deadly at 25 yards and in.

  • @martingay5975
    @martingay5975 Рік тому +5

    Been shooting a 410 o/u and sbs almost exclusively for about 10 years now. Don’t like the recoil of a 12 anymore due to a bad shoulder, but thanks to the inevitable lead ban , I think my shooting days are numbered, which is a shame because I thought I would have at least another 20 years if I was lucky,especially when I only eat what I shoot.ant complain though had 54 years of the sport.

    • @Imragnar1
      @Imragnar1 Рік тому +1

      410 steel works good

    • @martingay5975
      @martingay5975 Рік тому

      @@Imragnar1 not even a thing in my country uk, plus fixed chokes

    • @martingay5975
      @martingay5975 Рік тому

      Waiting for someone like fiocchi or gamebore to produce an effective and affordable alternative. So far only bismuth available at an eyewatering £1500 per 1000 cartridges which is unaffordable to me and many others.

    • @Lethal_Intent
      @Lethal_Intent Рік тому

      @@martingay5975 There is winchester .410 steel in the uk but the price aint much better at almost a pound a shot.

    • @martingay5975
      @martingay5975 Рік тому

      @@Lethal_Intent where can these be purchased from.

  • @leso204
    @leso204 Рік тому

    i remember over 40Yr ago a game shoot organiser was saying about the game keepers behind the front gunline taking out the missed birds with a 410 when the main gauge of the guns was 12g , in short you have to be more accurate where you place your (smaller ) pattern ............

  • @Imragnar1
    @Imragnar1 Рік тому

    Got a 410 franchi instinct l a few years ago. My hunting buddies all gave me crap bout a 410 on pheasant. First hunt bout 5 min in rooster gets up.dropped 1 shot there all looking for 410s now lol

  • @buchananprecisionmachine5490
    @buchananprecisionmachine5490 Рік тому +1

    What I couldn't believe about this video is that they were throwing all their empties away. The only way you can afford to shoot a .410 is to reload. there is hardly any ammo shortages when you reload your own ammo. My gun is a "Citori Sporting Clays Edition" with 32" bbls. I love that gun.

    • @otroflores91
      @otroflores91 4 місяці тому

      I'm assuming these guys have some money or get ammo sponsorship. I dont know if clay shooting is a cheap sport in the UK .

    • @allandobbs7059
      @allandobbs7059 2 місяці тому

      @@otroflores91Be Sponsership .Best English gun makers Longthorne.

  • @funkla65
    @funkla65 Рік тому

    Jonny - hope you got to enjoy some Presidente down there - a pretty good lager!
    410? IDK; I prefer to reload, and I expect those little buggers are rascals to trickle shot into. 20 is probably small enough for me.

  • @mallardcutter7209
    @mallardcutter7209 Рік тому

    I love shooting a 410 My favorite gauge by far. It would be great to see you shoot and film the 410 world championship in August of this year. I’m sure everyone would like to see that. Oh and I think that you can shoot 3” shells during that event ! Thanks !

  • @fredaewalker2665
    @fredaewalker2665 Рік тому +1

    Shot one excusively for the last 10 yrs at driven game. Just put it in the pattern like any other gun.

  • @SnoopReddogg
    @SnoopReddogg Рік тому

    "Only need one pellet"
    Which is exactly the number of pellets that dropped a Black Duck this years opening morning.

  • @lucasverrall7553
    @lucasverrall7553 Рік тому

    The first gun I shot was a single barrel bolt action 410, I shot it when I was 10

  • @the45er
    @the45er Рік тому +1

    I am a decent shotgun shot, not a great shotgun shot. I decided to sell my 410's, conceding that these are for experts. In my experience however, my 28 gauge shotguns don't put me at that great a disadvantage over 20 gauge guns. I LOVE my 28's and always choose them over my 20's for almost everything except reasonably difficult sporting clays courses.

  • @peterjohnson170
    @peterjohnson170 Рік тому

    I love shooting 410,

  • @dankendall930
    @dankendall930 Рік тому

    Got a $99 .410 from the pawn shop so I could legally hunt squirrels near my house in northern AZ. The secret I discovered was... aim!

  • @Scooter-dm3qo
    @Scooter-dm3qo Рік тому +2

    It's about time you treated yourself to a 410. Folks, the 410 is NOT a difficult caliber to shoot, the only difference between the 410 and 12 gauge is that you have to be a bit more precise with the 410 and the 12 gauge uses 1/2 ounce or more lead than you really need. BTW, I have a Silver Pigeon III 410/28 gauge 2 barrel set with 30 inch sporting barrels and don't find it at all "whippy'. Note, I load my own and all that extra lead for the 12 gauge adds up to about 2 dollars a box.

    • @mcbridecreek
      @mcbridecreek Рік тому

      Reloading is the only way to go with the other gauges(.410, 28 or 16). $2 per box wow that is cheap!

    • @Scooter-dm3qo
      @Scooter-dm3qo Рік тому +1

      @@mcbridecreek I wish I could load for 2 dollars a box. That is just the cost for 25 1/2 ounce shot charges. Add in a wad, primer, and 5 cents per hull and it costs me 6.26 per box of 410 versus 8.36 per box of 1 ounce 12 gauge.

    • @mcbridecreek
      @mcbridecreek Рік тому

      @@Scooter-dm3qo yeah it definitely adds up. Some guys have shot makers. Shot is so expensive. Good hulls like REM or Win AA can be reloaded 4-5 times.

  • @scootertrash911
    @scootertrash911 Рік тому

    keep the gun under your target, once your gun is way over or way in front, you are in trouble, you can smoothly move up but down rarely works consistently.

  • @ryanduckering
    @ryanduckering 6 місяців тому

    I'll never understand why people talk sh!t about .410's. It doesn't have a lack of power, it just has a smaller load.
    It's probably the most versatile gun that exists. You can 410 get loads for every single small game size that exists, as well as being able to take larger game like deer or vermin with slugs & buckshot.
    Little recoil, light firearm, easy to use, much lower noise (which is a good thing) and still extremely lethal.
    People sneering at the power of a 410 is so silly. if a person was struck with 5 pellet 000 buckshot from a 410 they would still be blown apart and hit the floor instantly.
    People talking about it like an air rifle is weird. Very useful & respectable firearm. Louder and larger loads doesn't mean better. A 410 will get any job done.

  • @RockyReaganIII
    @RockyReaganIII Рік тому

    410 shotgun uses this actual measurement. A 12-gauge shotgun's bore is between 0.720″ and 0.740″ so the terms “12 bore” isn't actually correct even though it was a common term until recently.Jan 31, 2020. 410 is the only one you should refer to as bore. 12, 16, 20, 28 should always be referred to as gauge.

  • @jackdaniel5716
    @jackdaniel5716 Рік тому +1

    You should try removable .410 tubes inside of your 12 gauge

  • @mattc3152
    @mattc3152 Рік тому +1

    What are your thoughts on a 28ga versus a .410 for teaching a child to shoot?

    • @thomasmccrady6172
      @thomasmccrady6172 Рік тому

      My son started shooting a 410 at age 5. I would hold the forearm and he would hold the trigger. He would aim and pull the trigger. He loved it. We would never do it too much maybe 10 shots.
      Then he got a youth moss berg 410. He enjoyed.
      Bach to my 410.
      Then his current is a 28ga Beretta.
      If it fits it doesn’t hurt. If it hurts …. Step it back down.
      He’s now 11. He has shot a 20ga and a 12ga. Guns don’t fit and not comfortable… yet. He love shooting and so do I. Have fun.

  • @johnmarkharris
    @johnmarkharris 6 місяців тому

    What chokes for the .410
    I just put MOD (1/2) in both.

  • @ryanupchurch9683
    @ryanupchurch9683 Рік тому

    My model 42 Winchester has won me a fair amount of money. Also have real LC smith 410. A 410 is not a child’s gun. It’s an experts gun

    • @tgsoutdoors
      @tgsoutdoors  Рік тому

      There is a Mod 42 in holts that has taken my fancy

  • @sniperkota
    @sniperkota Рік тому

    Amazing 😊

  • @garandm1d
    @garandm1d Рік тому

    ??? A very amateur shotgun shooter here... Would it be to anyone's advantage to periodically spend a day or so shooting the . 410 to hone one's technique on 12 & 20 bore??? Especially if one were to add some weight here and there to make it handle a little like a larger bore?? Great video... 👍

    • @antman7473
      @antman7473 Рік тому

      I have a Beretta 682S and its a 4 barrel set so I can shoot all the gauges. Its heavy almost 10 lbs and I shoot 410 the best with this gun, I have a 410 pump that is light and my scores are definitely higher with the heavy gun.

  • @mikecarter6758
    @mikecarter6758 Рік тому +1

    Just for killing snakes and rodents, IMO. Love my 28ga but ammo is crazy expensive.

  • @javoratree3861
    @javoratree3861 Рік тому +1

    I started shooting trap with a single shot .410. Challenging…

  • @stevejohnson1871
    @stevejohnson1871 Рік тому

    I love a 410

  • @constiyiiot3322
    @constiyiiot3322 Рік тому

    how many grams and what size shot are you using for clays with a 410.?

    • @tgsoutdoors
      @tgsoutdoors  Рік тому

      Here it was 14grams or 1/2oz. You can buy up to 19gram off the shelf which are a bit more effective

  • @eduffy4937
    @eduffy4937 Рік тому

    My .410s will make the "best" 12ga shooters blush and quit.

  • @carlchong7592
    @carlchong7592 10 місяців тому +1

    So the secret is: do everything that you used to with your 12, just be much more precise.

  • @mcbridecreek
    @mcbridecreek Рік тому

    I want a Winchester model 42 so bad my teeth ache! Haha

  • @canbrit4621
    @canbrit4621 Рік тому

    its criminal the price of .410 shells. Price vs Demand is a poor argument. There would be higher demand if the price was comparable to 12 and 20 ga. Its one of the driving factors to people ignoring what would be a fun gun to shoot. Its the "22" of the shotgun world without the cheap ammo benefits of a "22"

  • @12bore36
    @12bore36 Рік тому

    ❤❤❤

  • @SM-zz4gx
    @SM-zz4gx Рік тому

    I use an over/under .410 for ruffed grouse because everything else is overkill. I've taken it shooting clays a few times now just for shits & giggles and after a little practice, I'm picking them off as far away as my 12-gauge. Everybody who shoots it loves it, and it's just some turkish-made bullshit model.

  • @matthewdeepblue
    @matthewdeepblue Рік тому

    .410 is very popular in the USA... But... Slug guns, pest control, personal protection, garden protection. Never anything like thiy

  • @theoisaac9948
    @theoisaac9948 Рік тому

    👍👍💯

  • @blackhawk7r221
    @blackhawk7r221 Рік тому

    A .410 forces precision in your aiming. The huge spread of a 12ga will give you a false sense of ability.

    • @tgsoutdoors
      @tgsoutdoors  Рік тому

      That is very true. I think I need to invest in a 410!

  • @chriszablocki2460
    @chriszablocki2460 Рік тому

    If i end up shacking up with a lady at my age, I'm probably going to buy her a 12g shotgun as a symbol of our commonlaw partnership. Instead of proposing marriage.

  • @quick8009
    @quick8009 11 місяців тому

    expensive

  • @ryanehlis426
    @ryanehlis426 Рік тому

    The answer is don't, just stick with a 20

  • @stevelewis7263
    @stevelewis7263 Рік тому

    What's Prince Harry doing there, and where's his boss Meghan Sparkle

  • @strixt
    @strixt 11 місяців тому

    Always hilarious when guys are slaves to the size.

  • @benito1977
    @benito1977 Рік тому

    I've not seen jake for years! If your reading this jake all I'll say is "any luck" 😂

  • @frankmorris4790
    @frankmorris4790 Рік тому

    It'll damn well kill em if your on em! from dove to duck an four legged up to coyotes, probably more. Being On em is the trick. Shooting a .410 is kind like,,, golf. Sorry bugger. Half in componants, near twice in price. If you want to shoot the little walkin' sticks YOU WILL PAY for the privilage!