Final Fantasy VII ReTrilogy is NOT a Sequel? *Theory*
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- Опубліковано 21 жов 2024
- Going over comments from the developers of the Final Fantasy VII Remake Trilogy alluding to the game being a Reimagining & not a sequel that takes place after Advent Children &/or Dirge of Cerberus.
Woah Roche is on UA-cam... nice one MY FRIEND!!!!
I’ve gone back and forth on whether it’s a sequel or reimagining. I lean more towards it being a reimagining especially since the devs keep saying it is, but It’s tough to say for sure because of how the lifestream works. It could kind of be both a reimagining and sequel with The“physical world” being just the reimagining. There’s nothing stopping dream world Aerith being a post ac Aerith in a way, since the lifestream to my understanding does perceive time in the same way the people on the physical plane does. Cloud even mentions Aerith acting strange, and I even think it says something about this Aerith being strange in the chapter details.
Some of the confusion also comes from Nanaki saying something end of remake as the party is fighting giga-whisper along the lines of "these are the events that will happen if we fail here today" and it was a vision of him running outside midgar just like at the end of ff7 og. The whispers definitely need a little more explaining. Though in rebirth during Nanakis date Nanaki wonders if the party will forget about the existence of the whispers.
Great video! Lots to think about.
@@latelament92 "forget not thine ire, for it shall remake thee". A quote from the Cetra in temple of the ancients, regarding what they call "O, Warrior", I think that moment for me felt like the part where Id concretely decided this was a moment in "time" following the events of OG.
Sequel is a hard word to use when describing a subject that lives in the realm of potentially timelessness. Narratively it behaves like a sequel but the themes of the game itself lend itself to being far more complex than linear time, so much so that it could genuinely be as much a prequel as a sequel.
@@upon-fe2720 Sequel just the term people have been using so that's how I went about talking about it. Yeah that's what I was alluding to when talking about the lifestream worlds and Aerith. I just view it though as an expanded out reimaging of the og rather then taking place in a moment of time after the og. When you rejoin the lifestream you become part of everything that was and everything that will be. Plus there is a little bit of meta going on with us the player of the og having these memories of these events that have happened and will happen that I think is fun to think about. What a game!
Yeah Nanaki also says is it our Destiny to defy Destiny & so far the answer seems to be yes. With the Whispers split between Light & Dark fate has now become the outcome of that struggle & I think the struggle between the two shapes the OGs events instead of stopping them from happening. But yes the Whispers need more explaining for sure.
Yes and there is also the fortune told about Cait Sith about an ending having a twist but to have trust. It could go either way
3:35 That makes sense.
Your videos are heavy.
It’s crazy that we will continue this conversation after part 3 comes out, and certain theory crafters will gain credibility for having a raw, solid, and on point analysis, especially if it was on the mark.
Nice commentary to listen to in the background, cheers! They have mentioned that there will be no DLC for Rebirth but if they did consider it - I've been dreaming of the idea of having the entire Rocket Town Region be fully explorable and to be set within Rebirth as well - just like in the OG. What's to say that they did escape Rocket Town thus leading to the moment when the Tiny Bronco could have sustained damage as they crash landed into the river en route to Costa del Sol?
I'm currently playing through Hard Mode so I want to go back and see if there's a cut between when they left the Nibel Region and the Bronco crash. If no DLC, it would be a shame that Aerith didn't get to visit Rocket Town like in the OG.
Maybe we'd get a tease into Cid's combat mechanics and I also dreamt of Vincent involvement too. What if there was a side-story during the Temple of the Ancients chapter where they too would be treated to Cetran weapons. Just feels out of place that they don't have special weapons, but that's just me...
Thank you! I'll say if we get any DLC it better be based around Vincent but I like your idea I just think it would be better saved for Part 3 to make it as grandiose as possible.
@@nostalgiaverse9892 I reckon Part 3 can still be as grandiose as there will still be plenty of places to discover but if it's going to mean two trips to Rocket Town, then I won't mind too much. There's still going to be a lot to discover and I also believe we'll see more of the Forgotten Capital as well where we got merely a tease in Rebirth.
As for Advent Children, playing through that story as a DLC after Part 3 would be amazing. I'm so invested in the current voice cast now, it ain't funny but if they recorded lines for that film, I'd be down with that too.
I guess it’s still an open question whether it’s a “sequel” or not in the sense that we don’t know if the events of the OG have already happened and we’re in a time loop or something as some people have theorized. But I’m more in the camp that we are playing through a reimagining and expansion of the OG and aerith/sephiroth just have prescience and It would match up better with what the devs had said thus far. Phillip Hartshorn and Sleepezi had a good discussion on this topic and I like Phil’s idea of how the time stuff could play out in a sensible way in line with OG.
Good content. Do you think you’ll do a video explaining if this is a multiverse or not. I’ve seen lots of people say it is others say it isn’t. And what about videos on where part 3 will start?
@@brandonp6880Thanks. I just started making videos but yes I plan to tackle all of that in between now & Part 3. And I kind of touch of the multiverse stuff a little bit in the video before this.
Great content. I think this is advent children’s version of the original events.
i left another message about this on channel and 2 ways this cant be a sequel but i will say this if what stopping you from seeing this as a sequel is the time travel stuff then get it out of your mind because now as of rebirth time travel is not part of ff7 lore. as a real ff7 i came up with a way this could be a sequel using ff7 lore you can too.....
Keep it up bro
looks like a great video I can't wait to watch it 👍
I just think the sequel theory collapsed on itself the more people try to prove it is one.
The problem is you see flashbacks at various points from another timeline in Remake and Rebirth from what already happened in the original game.
Aerith is just further proof she knows what has happened in the previous timeline in Remake, but the arbiters takes away the memories at the end of Remake.
@@agamersinsanity nope. I think that's people grasping at straws and the further you dive into it the more it falls apart. If Aerith and Sephiroth are from the future why do they allow the events to unfold exactly as they have before? They could both change things to have a more desirable outcome for either side. There are much more sound and simple explanations. Sephiroth has future knowledge simply because he did in the OG. He states this at the Temple. Aerith was aware of people dying and such in the OG and she becomes more aware of things at the temple as well. It's left ambiguous and not explicitly laid out what exactly is happening with Aerith in those moments.
In the remake saga they simply heightened her connection with the LS. Then it becomes severed at the end of remake for it to reconnect at the Temple. Much more simple explanation that fits into what has been shown.
Also, why would Red and the party want to change the future in which they won? Everyone points to Red's comments at the end of remake as if that is some "eureka" epiphany. That's the good ending. They won. They beat Sephiroth. They stopped the meteor. Humans are living more harmoniously with the planet 500 years later. Etc. Why would they fight against it?
Like I said, the sequel theory falls apart rather quickly when you simply ask questions. It's. Not. A. Sequel.
@@TheSteelers4190In. Your. Opinion.
The further I delve into your comment the more it falls apart...
"If Aerith and Sephiroth are from the future, why do they let events unfold exactly as they have before?" ~ Really? EXACTLY as they have before? Did you miss the bits where Sephiroth manipulated the party into fighting and destroying the 1000-foot tall mighty harbinger of destiny? Weirdly, I don't remember that bit from the original. Or that fairly large chunk where Sephiroth manipulated Cloud into very nearly killing Tifa, and then minutes later Sephiroth did his very best to try to kill Tifa too? I'd say the reason things aren't changing more is because A. They are powerful but not 'all powerful'. And B. Aerith/Sephiroth/the planet/Jenova/the white whispers/the black whispers are all fairly successfully cancelling each other out with their 4D chess. Doesn't seem that wild and outlandish to take into consideration as a possibility with all the other wild stuff going on?
And hang on a minute, if you are saying he definitely has future knowledge in O.G. simply because of one, singular, isolated, ambiguous, possibly mistranslated line from the entire script of O.G., then why didn't he also change things then so they didn't go the way they did with him losing in the end? If the argument is that in the original, he had access to partial future knowledge but if he's travelled back in time, he should have full knowledge... we don't know that? Whispers took some of Aerith's knowledge of the future, she said it herself, so who's to say they didn't do the same to Sephiroth before he figured out how to control them? So that argument falls very flat 'rather quickly'. But more importantly...
Assuming you are referring to this individual line when you say he 100% definitely had future knowledge in the original game: "I'm far superior to the Ancients."
"I became a traveler of the Lifestream and gained the knowledge and wisdom of the Ancients."
"I also gained the knowledge and wisdom of those after the extinction of the Ancients." ~ I don't think anyone playing the original or the writers took that to mean 'oh wow, this guy can see the future', and then it's never mentioned again. It is very possible he means after the death of Ifalna (who was "the last remaining pureblood of the ancient Cetra" ~ so no future knowledge in that case. If every tiger in the world died, but there was still a liger knocking about, you could certainly still say tigers were extinct.
Also, its a 90s translation, very possible the meaning was closer to 'after the ancients were pretty much wiped out', which canonically would have been a long time ago. Kotaku actually did a video series translating the original Japanese version to English, and the guy in the video said its referring to the eras after the ancients were gone, the translation means "he got the ancient wisdom and he also got some modern science". Nothing about knowledge of the future. Seems like a 'much more sound and simple explanation' to me). Not quite as cut and dry as you thought eh? I don't recall anything else in the original that suggested either Sephiroth or Aerith had any future knowledge, so this makes a lot more sense than the writers just throwing in that absolutely massive plot element in the original that one character can see the future casually in a singular throwaway line.
"They won... Humans are living more harmoniously with the planet 500 years later... Why would they want to change it?" ~ Err... Aerith was killed. Midgar, the biggest city on the planet, was destroyed, and the countless people who were still there were killed. Then for the next 2 years, geostigma spread across the planet and indiscriminately killed countless more people too. We know 3 years later, there are still existential threats to the planet in Dirge of Cerberus. We know humans were still around living semi-harmoniously with the planet then, 3 years after OG FF7, but we have absolutely no idea what happens to humans after that. The '500 years later' bit was left intentionally EXTREMELY ambiguous as to whether humans survived (there's no trace of humans shown, only the sound of childs laughter ~ that could be an actual living child somewhere off screen, or it could be from within the lifestream/planet itself, or it could also be Red XIII's kids, as we know his species talks and sounds human). I think most people are under the impression that actually, humans are NOT still around then. At best, its about a 50/50 split on what people think? Intentionally ambiguous as I said... Although now Red has basically said its the bad ending, it really heavily implies that humans aren't still around...
We. Don't. Know. One. Way. Or. The. Other. Yet. Because. The. Third. Game. Hasn't. Released. Yet. So. Don't. Try. To. Call. Out. People. Just. For. Disagreeing. With. Your. Opinion.
I haven't even delved into any of the many reasons I think it may well be a sequel (or similar). Something tells me there is nothing anyone could possibly say that would change your mind. I'm simply saying that what you are saying is not anywhere near the proof that you think it is that it isn't a sequel (or some new weird thing with sequel elements)...
@@DJChamber 🤣🤣🤣. Okay dude. 👍. We'll review this comment in a few years.
@@TheSteelers4190 Not sure you would really need to review it in a few years, as the point was only that your reasoning is full of massive holes and nowhere near being actual proof enough to outright dismiss other theories as definitely wrong and stupid right now?
It still could be close to a complete reimagining at this point, or it could be a sequel, or it could be (my actual best guess) something in between the two. There's already in-game indisputable canon that future events from after the original game are affecting the current events (in that a form of the Advent Children remnants from 'a future timeline' that appear at the end of Remake) so it wouldn't be wrong to say that at the very least, it is already 'somewhere in between a reimagining and a sequel' as opposed to a pure reimagining.
I'm guessing there will still be debates about it long after the final game is released though.