40. A Religious Beast (Revelation

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  • @urbanwolfl935
    @urbanwolfl935 10 місяців тому +3

    Best, most lucid lesson on Revelation/eschatology I've ever had. What a treasure trove of wisdom. 😊

  • @martinhansen5317
    @martinhansen5317 3 роки тому +5

    Excellent as always! Best teaching on the subject I have ever heard. Sitting on the other side of the world (Norway) and are getting blessed by your ministry. Thank you so much for making this teaching available.

    • @GoreBruce
      @GoreBruce  3 роки тому +2

      It is a blessing to hear from you! Thank you and blessings to you and yours!

  • @brokumis5317
    @brokumis5317 3 роки тому +2

    it is great to learn from you prof. I learned 5 episodes today. GBU Prof Bruce Gore

  • @TheAngelin2000
    @TheAngelin2000 4 роки тому +7

    Love to hear you. I’m at the. Hospital. I a one day operation and woke up with a terrible pain and Parton my left side. I’m have been here since the 8th October. Pray of me brother

    • @GoreBruce
      @GoreBruce  4 роки тому +5

      You are in my prayers. Take care.

    • @ejchakaodza
      @ejchakaodza 4 роки тому

      All prayers to you. You will go home soon.

  • @michaelabram9511
    @michaelabram9511 4 роки тому +3

    I found you only after I had nearly completed my own Revelation Bible Study! I am in complete concord with your conclusions. I await your explanation of the wine-press, I’m convinced Tom Wright has the right take on this...I anxiously await! Thank you for letting the Lord use you!
    Michael Abram - Pastor, Ascension Lutheran Ch. Torrance, CA.

    • @GoreBruce
      @GoreBruce  4 роки тому +2

      It is an honor to hear from you, Pastor. Thank you. You can let me know if I get the right answer on the wine-press! Thanks again.

  • @seandmoore6922
    @seandmoore6922 4 роки тому +1

    Outstanding! Thank you so much Dr. Gore.

    • @GoreBruce
      @GoreBruce  4 роки тому +1

      Many thanks to you as well!

  • @lancegraham2244
    @lancegraham2244 3 роки тому +2

    I’m sharing these wonderful teachings , true and glorifying to our Lord and King 🙏

  • @MelanCholy2001
    @MelanCholy2001 4 роки тому +6

    This was enjoyable, thank you. From a Catholic/sedevacantist POV with most of my 'people' in the Church Suffering or the Church Triumphant (or, as Americans tend to say, "flying around with angel wings") - dead - it's hard for me to discuss with many (because Church is for worship, IF one can find a 'home Mass' where we've been forced to HIDE. Sound familiar?)...
    I don't know how to put this forth, but it seems that the 'traditionals' of most Christian faiths (and of course I include Catholicism as "the Christian Faith" ...I've never had a Pope in my lifetime and well before; though it's not clear to me how long the evil's been brewing) - but there's got to be others out there noticing that those of us who call on the Most Holy Name of Jesus, insert the Credo here, are not bending the knee to the U.N. or feeling comfortable with "strange reforms" that are sort of *definitely anti-human.* Attempts to remake man (and woman) into something that is not the image of God (a trans), with no self-esteem, and this covid thing...
    Aka, _did Nero like babies?_ I'm not talking conspiracy theory pizza stuff (though I wouldn't be surprised, either), but there are plenty of actual news reports of babies being hurt by rabid hellhounds! (Hurt TO DEATH.)
    And I don't think these (earthly) churches are coming back. May God's will be done, of course, but people have apparently been hoping and praying for something 'better' all my parents' lives, and those people have tended to get a heaping helping of the something worse. And now we're supposed to cover our faces as if in shame of God's creation, due to some strange virus - and not to protect ourselves, but essentially because we're the enemy of the world if we don't believe some_* irrational and emotional "feelings" about a virus which requires faith*_ to "believe in." And these irrational numbers are from the same people who think humans are a 'virus' for the planet if you look at their manifestos and even government (ahem) documentation.
    Even you have *got* to wonder at times if the Revelation of Jesus Christ by the Apostle John was _both_ a summary write-up of 1st C history including then-recent events, plus a prophecy of, um... now?

    • @GoreBruce
      @GoreBruce  4 роки тому +5

      Very interesting perspective. Thank you!

  • @howtohomeschool
    @howtohomeschool Рік тому +3

    This is so helpful! Thank you!

  • @alongcamejones309
    @alongcamejones309 4 роки тому +7

    See also DR Ken Gentry " The Beast of Revelation IDENTIFIED " A must see !!

  • @alexandremiguel5860
    @alexandremiguel5860 4 роки тому +1

    Here is wisdom, here is understanding. Thank you for your insight.

  • @TK-qu1ht
    @TK-qu1ht 4 роки тому +4

    Thanx Bruce!

    • @GoreBruce
      @GoreBruce  4 роки тому +3

      Thanks Tom. I always think of you when we see your impressive governor advertise the wonders of S.D. Makes us want to go back and spend a little more time!

  • @BrotherAaronSpeaks
    @BrotherAaronSpeaks 4 роки тому +5

    This was excellent!!!

  • @theosolomon8319
    @theosolomon8319 4 роки тому

    Great, may the ears hear what the message is to from the Holy Spirit. We are living in this season as in the first century. We are being tested to be strong in the Lord and the power of His might. Thank you for the unveiling of God's moving, our need for Godly response, and knowing the wiles of the enemy. All in for the kingdom of God.

  • @havivben-chaim8672
    @havivben-chaim8672 2 роки тому

    amen !! im hearing impaired i was ex-judaism modern state of israel until 1987 move out to usa then i was journey many churches in USA seem me not satified until 11 years ago discover preterism wonderfull joy indwell with Jesus for new jerusalem above forever

  • @karlmcbride174
    @karlmcbride174 4 роки тому +3

    Thanks Bruce for this great series ... it is interesting that Nero had a giant 31 metre statue built of himself called the Colossus Neronis ... can’t help but think there is some allusion to that in this chapter .. it would be interesting to hear your thoughts on the matter.

    • @billhesford6098
      @billhesford6098 Рік тому

      If Nero was anywhere near as wonderful as he thought of himself he likely wouldn't have killed himself.

  • @Qraze69
    @Qraze69 4 роки тому +1

    another great work.

  • @robertcain3426
    @robertcain3426 Рік тому

    Exodus 13:9, 'This observance will be for you like a sign on your hand and a reminder on your forehead that this law of the Lord is to be on your lips. For the Lord brought you out of Egypt with his mighty hand.'

  • @godswarrior45
    @godswarrior45 Рік тому +1

    Here's some more about the false christs and false prophets...
    This is from the book of eusebius or Josephus 👇
    Chapter 26. Menander the Sorcerer.
    1. Menander, who succeeded Simon Magus, showed himself in his conduct another instrument of diabolical power, not inferior to the former. He also was a Samaritan and carried his sorceries to no less an extent than his teacher had done, and at the same time reveled in still more marvelous tales than he.
    2. For he said that he was himself the Saviour, who had been sent down from invisible æons for the salvation of men; and he taught that no one could gain the mastery over the world-creating angels themselves unless he had first gone through the magical discipline imparted by him and had received baptism from him. Those who were deemed worthy of this would partake even in the present life of perpetual immortality, and would never die, but would remain here forever, and without growing old become immortal. These facts can be easily learned from the works of Irenæus.
    3. And Justin, in the passage in which he mentions Simon, gives an account of this man also, in the following words: And we know that a certain Menander, who was also a Samaritan, from the village of Capparattea, was a disciple of Simon, and that he also, being driven by the demons, came to Antioch and deceived many by his magical art. And he persuaded his followers that they should not die. And there are still some of them that assert this.
    4. And it was indeed an artifice of the devil to endeavor, by means of such sorcerers, who assumed the name of Christians, to defame the great mystery of godliness by magic art, and through them to make ridiculous the doctrines of the Church concerning the immortality of the soul and the resurrection of the dead. But they that have chosen these men as their saviours have fallen away from the true hope.
    B. Josephus, the Jewish Historian Said:
    "The land was over run with magicians, seducers, and imposters, who drew the people after them in multitudes into solitudes and deserts, to see signs and miracles which they promised to show by the power of God"
    The tyrannical zealots who ruled the city (Jerusalem) suborned many false prophets to declare that aid would be given to the people from heaven. This was done to prevent them from attempting to desert (flee the city), and to inspire confidence in God." Wars VI:5:2:3
    would exhibit manifest wonders and signs, that should be performed by the providence of God. And many that were prevailed on by them suffered the punishments of their folly; for Felix brought them back, and then punished them. Moreover, there came out of Egypt about this time to Jerusalem one that said he was a prophet, and advised the multitude of the common people to go along with him to the Mount of Olives, as it was called, which lay over against the city, and at the distance of five furlongs. He said further, that he would show them from hence how, at his command, the walls of Jerusalem would fall down; and he promised them that he would procure them an entrance into the city through those walls, when they were fallen down. Now when Felix was informed of these things, he ordered his soldiers to take their weapons, and came against them with a great number of horsemen and footmen from Jerusalem, and attacked the Egyptian and the people that were with him. He also slew four hundred of them, and took two hundred alive. But the Egyptian himself escaped out of the fight, but did not appear any more. And again the robbers stirred up the people to make war with the Romans, and said they ought not to obey them at all; and when any persons would not comply with them, they set fire to their villages, and plundered them. (Book XX, Chapter VIII, Section 6)

  • @dafflad1
    @dafflad1 4 роки тому +2

    Truth right here

  • @willisfletcher6260
    @willisfletcher6260 2 роки тому

    Off topic…I LOVE that clock over your mantle. I’m a sucker for clocks and watches that have Roman Numerals on them.

    • @GoreBruce
      @GoreBruce  2 роки тому +1

      I'll mention that to my chief decorator! (Mrs. Gore).

  • @The12thSeahorse
    @The12thSeahorse 3 роки тому

    Outstanding presentation I must say......it kept me watching till the end. I reckon over a hundred books (and some films) have been written about the mark...and what it is? Who exactly will be the beast and which region will he come from, and lastly decoding that evil number 666 through various complicated calculations.

  • @myrddingwynedd2751
    @myrddingwynedd2751 3 роки тому +1

    How can 666 be Caesar Nero if it doesn`t fit perfectly?

  • @hoodnlott5679
    @hoodnlott5679 7 місяців тому

    I don’t know if this will get answered but I’ve using your videos to help me study Revelation and it’s been very helpful but I have a couple questions:
    The mark of the beast doesn’t seem to point to the sea beast but the land beast. If that’s the case wouldn’t the manifestation of the mark of the land beast be a Jewish leader?
    I do believe Nero is a manifestation of the sea beast but the 666 (if we use scripture to interpret scripture) seems to point to Solomon. A Jewish king who went against God and sought power (horses) woman and wealth. In a similar way the religious leaders of the first century sought to enhance and hold on to their positions of power by abusing the law of God while the poor suffered.
    Hope to hear from you sir. You’ve helped so many see a better way of reading Gods word.

    • @GoreBruce
      @GoreBruce  7 місяців тому

      I think the best focused treatment of the question you are raising is by Dr. Ken Gentry, The Beast of Revelation.
      www.amazon.com/Beast-Revelation-Kenneth-L-Gentry/dp/0996452516/ref=sr_1_1?crid=877JAXOLHJFS&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.CfY4V8DPOPo6S2eeFqcdLpS9WW0IhuUJnx86PRiRIpcQnjjtnDxFm9HgdY-o1HsoGogXGdY-AfICGzBUUlCsPBikiaIYzDv08N6pMbxN-pJ2Ams1ADGYltzbcsmz67TAqfKmW10g1JFCDZk38M4cur-pFbUV_9BTzzKSTrgy40hjc614PwKuMi0neN1tmxYHdcm2ptmIfaM_4DTj5u4h7DdRsMlA79DX9H4Xc2TxT-Q.j6caR4wQnaodvrR8CYaPAnhXyh6yQU2qK6Ho5Ashb3w&dib_tag=se&keywords=the+beast+of+revelation+gentry&qid=1713444705&sprefix=gentry+beast%2Caps%2C139&sr=8-1

  • @lookwaticando909
    @lookwaticando909 4 роки тому

    it’s me it sucks and i am not giving up cuz i believe in the lord and his son and he is my air and the blood that runs in my veins

  • @patriciabailey6803
    @patriciabailey6803 4 роки тому

    I believe the Theudas that Gamaliel references in Acts predates, by a number of years, the one Josephus references under Fadus AD 44-46---two different guys.

    • @GoreBruce
      @GoreBruce  4 роки тому +1

      The discrepancy has been a matter of discussion for many years. Given the specific details provided by Luke and by Josephus, and given further the penchant Luke has for historical accuracy, it seems most probable that Josephus was in error in his chronology. He is known to have made other errors in chronology, writing as he was years after the fact, and often based on sources that were third hand. On the other hand, there may indeed have been two people of the same name, but that hypothesis seems less probable.

  • @rickhuntling7338
    @rickhuntling7338 6 місяців тому

    The dragon beast is an empire occupying the same territory as all the other beast before him, being all the land in the middle east surrounding Israel. If you read Daniel 11:36-45 describes the Islamic empire to a tee. It even describes Mecca where their religious center in located between the Red Sea and Arabian Sea near Jeb Laws aka Mt. Sinai.
    The dragon became the end time beast in 641 with the fall of Alexandria the last strong hold of the Byzantine Empire. For 42 months or for ones with understanding 42 = 3.5 years = 1277 days = 1277 days of years. In 1918 the Ottoman Empire fell causing a mortal head wound. 1918 -641 = 1277
    2nd witness: Rev. 11:1,2 42 months began with the Dome of the Rock open for business in 691 AD 1277 years later Israel end the Temple Mt. Treading under foot in the 6 day was in 1967.
    The 2 horned Lamb is Sunni\Shiite in the relatively short time in peace. It possessed the power of the 1st beast being the religion of Islam.
    The dragon was revived in 1939, rearmed by the Axis powers to be in the North African campaign. We have been witnessing them calling fire from heaven by Palestinians and recently Iran.

  • @theyoungnative93
    @theyoungnative93 Рік тому

    Which verses in the NT describe the saints as being poor?

    • @GoreBruce
      @GoreBruce  Рік тому

      This is a reasonable inference among commentators based on 2 Cor. 8-9, 1 Thess. 2:13-16.

  • @angelakatsapas7894
    @angelakatsapas7894 4 роки тому +1

    Thank you brother Bruce Gore

  • @eliphasphiri4090
    @eliphasphiri4090 3 роки тому

    The greek word for count is psephiso which was name for a Stone used in voting, so we are to count not calculate, calculate is a bad translation

  • @Joost1092
    @Joost1092 3 роки тому

    Thanks for another great teaching! Really enjoying listening to it all. Nero being 666 is very convincing, but why the head and the hand? The people in that time thought your mind was in your intestines, right?

    • @GoreBruce
      @GoreBruce  3 роки тому +2

      From Deuteronomy 6, the head stands for thought, and the hand for action. The idea of emotions in the guts was related to the notion of 'compassion.'

    • @Joost1092
      @Joost1092 3 роки тому

      @@GoreBruce Thank you very much for the quick response:)

  • @carenclover7177
    @carenclover7177 4 роки тому

    Amen

  • @johnwadsworth5946
    @johnwadsworth5946 4 роки тому +1

    You missed one. Romans. like the Greeks before them, tattooed or branded people on their hands and foreheads as a public notice of their status as slaves. I'm sure that first century readers understood the reference to the "charagma" as a poignant reminder of that practice. It has significance because it says that all people, great and small, rich and poor, free and bond, had to receive the mark. Nobody escaped that requirement who were not then subject to exclusion from commerce and death. Along with the later condemnation of those who receive the mark (Rev. 14:9-10), it draws vivid lines between the Kingdom of God, with Jesus as Lord - who makes us free - and the kingdom of the world under the dragon and wild beasts, who enslave(d) those who are not Christ's. These are the battle lines in the wild beasts' war of the world against the saints.

    • @patricksmith8638
      @patricksmith8638 4 роки тому

      Q is the physical Israelites get thier Promises and the Covenants old n new testament according to Romans 9 ..iam Confused the Church didn't go thru what the Physical Israel went thru how can the Church get anything but I never knew you depart from me I only know my kin physical Israel ...its like Jehovah Witnesses claiming they are God's people so Damn Confusing !!!

    • @Sam-fp8zm
      @Sam-fp8zm 2 роки тому +1

      @@patricksmith8638 Physical Israel and Jews of the flesh are divorced from the old covenant- they are widows, and not children of the promise. Only children of the spirit- aka believers in Jesus- are children of the promise.

  • @jimdee9801
    @jimdee9801 3 роки тому

    A lil concerned by the repeated 666 hand signals there Prof :( or have I been down too many rabbit holes

    • @SomeOrthoBro
      @SomeOrthoBro 2 місяці тому

      Yo dude.
      So after two years, what’s your conclusion? Too many rabbit holes? Lmk bro

  • @Stewarts16
    @Stewarts16 3 роки тому

    Just curious as to what proof you have that Jesus spoke the language of the Jews' enemies to Jews in Jerusalem, when He created the languages and could have spoken to the Jews, in Jerusalem, their own Hebrew language? Thank you.

    • @GoreBruce
      @GoreBruce  3 роки тому

      Please see: www.bbc.com/news/blogs-magazine-monitor-27587230
      ...along with innumerable other scholarly sources treating the language common used in first century Israel.

  • @Ekklesiajourney
    @Ekklesiajourney 4 роки тому

    listening my question is this are you teaching that the text of Revelation is purely history fulfilled? Or are you teaching that there are historical text as the seven churches but chapter 6-18 is still future.

    • @GoreBruce
      @GoreBruce  4 роки тому +2

      The bulk of the content of Revelation (as well as the Olivet Discourse) describes events that took place in the first century. For my explanation and defense of this please refer to lectures #11, 12, and 13 in this series.

    • @shellyblanchard5788
      @shellyblanchard5788 2 роки тому

      All of this happened in the first century. We are in the new Jerusalem. Satan has been defeated.

    • @alexisbonilla5942
      @alexisbonilla5942 Рік тому

      Revelation is purely for events to happen in the future from the moment John was imprisoned, which was much after Antipas was martyred in Pergamum. The established powers are invested in ensuring people don’t properly understand Revelation.

  • @rickmiller8893
    @rickmiller8893 3 роки тому

    ...I had never simply considered, the basic monetary system as even we have it today. As perhaps then, you could say "I'll trade you two ducks for a sheep." or something. That would NOT work today as you go into Walmart and say "I'll trade you this old cell phone for a headset?".. they'll say "No, THE COST IS $30!..end of story.".. an I think we get lost thinking "it has to be so profound if a mark that of deserving eternal damnation in Hell...so it can't just be that simple as a monetary system... especially like the ones we use today."..there's another topic you should discuss to clear up this whole "Hell" business..as the term Gehenna and the use of Hades, are loosely and used interchangeably...I personally feel Gehenna ALONE..is worth educating people on and people are REALLY short changed by the translation to the word "Hell"..when even Jesus is speaking of the cursed Valley of Hinnom where pagan worship and child sacrifices took place and they later burned trash there night and day and the fire never went out.... Stuff like that, you know.

  • @shellyblanchard5788
    @shellyblanchard5788 2 роки тому

    All of this has passed though. Jesus has taken care of this. The beast and the false prophet were taken and thrown Into the lake of fire. Jesus now rules on the earth. 🤗. Jesus said so.

  • @krisebbeler36
    @krisebbeler36 2 місяці тому

    Really wish you would stick with the AV 1611 TEXT and not the modern version Bibles which have not the same text and missing verses and changed words. The Bible warns not to add or take away from the words of God. They are subtle but do plenty of damage. I’ve really done my research and homework on all this.

    • @GoreBruce
      @GoreBruce  2 місяці тому

      Yeah, I grew up on the KJV. What do you recommend for the Spanish, Portuguese, French, Italian, Chinese, Farse, and thousands of other languages in the world?

    • @krisebbeler36
      @krisebbeler36 2 місяці тому

      @@GoreBruce they were translated from the received text not from the 1881 Westcott-Hort corrupt texts. Please check out AV Publications Gail R Riplinger. She also has some UA-cam videos when she was younger. She’s now in her late 70’s. Her testimony of the Grace of Jesus Christ is unbelievable. Please also check out David Daniels as well. Both of them have spent years of research and work. David Daniels actually wrote a book called Look What’s Missing and New King James The Bridge Bible. The Lord is the one who stopped me dead in my tracks and said I was reading the wrong Bible. I was undone for months because I have been studying for decades. I’m 58 now. He brought it to my attention how nobody uses the AV 1611 and men were burned alive so we could have it in our English language. He had me read the preface on the NASB and hear what Dr. Frank Logsdon said about what he wrote and has completely denounced it. You can still hear him on videos and documents of his writing. He interviewed everyone on that committee. It’s very sobering because he was with Moody at one time. God warned me several years ago that I needed to know His words like never before. He had me look up who owns the Bible publishing companies and why are hardly any Christians or pastors not teaching from the KJV when it was absolutely fine for over 400 years. There’s no way people can read from over 200 plus Bibles and not be confused. He has divinely arranged my life for 13 years to do research and intensive study. In August 2012 I woke up and couldn’t turn my head. I was in great shape,exercised,ate well,helped people,did hair in my home for 25 plus years,stayed home with my 2 boys/family etc. My whole world changed and had to have neck surgery in November 2012 then was diagnosed with Fibromyalgia and have been in 24/7 chronic pain going on 13 years Aug 15,2024. I lost everything. My husband of 30 years wanted a divorce,my 2 boys moved to CA,my friends bolted, I could no longer work and can barely do just simple things. But God…Looking back I see how He was working to get me where I am today. I have been through so many evil things since 4 years old. God protected me because I should not be here. I was saved at 8 years old but prayed to Him at 4. I’m only saying these things out of a humble heart and I am accountable to the Lord Jesus Christ in every way. I mean no being critical but just more noble. It’s only by the grace of God that He has shown me what He has. Gail RIPLINGER’S book In Awe of Thy Word is fantastic. I think around 1200 pages going by memory. I pray you will check out these resources. It’s no different than what started in Genesis 3:5 adding to and taking away from the word of God. Many blessings to you and your ministry.

  • @myrddingwynedd2751
    @myrddingwynedd2751 3 роки тому

    Sir Thomas More in front of Henry the 8th.

  • @carenclover7177
    @carenclover7177 4 роки тому

    Writing about their idol and selling the brand of

  • @Mr0rris0
    @Mr0rris0 Рік тому

    Wiki Gaia
    In Mycenean Greek Ma-ka (transliterated as Ma-ga, "Mother Gaia") also contains the root ga-.[8][9]
    Americas an idol.. trump and biden... the church..
    Interwebs.. lifted trucks and deer antlers
    Fckin texas and sports...

  • @PavlovsBob
    @PavlovsBob Рік тому

    Peace and grace in the Lord Jesus Christ to you always.
    Your treatment of Revelation 13:15-18, in particular, comes off as speculative, unsure, as though you are standing on shifting sands. My gut says you're missing something important. Bible prophecies appear to have two fulfillments. An early and a latter. There is more to this than you have presented. It is possible, perhaps likely, your interpretation is informed by your preterist disposition. Christians often fall into camps. Let go and cling only to the Father, in Christ.
    Regarding your comment at the end about not being able to be together. I note the date of the publication of this video was during Caesar's covid lockdown. Is your foresaking of fellowship an example of rendering unto Caeser that which is Caeser's? Or, perhaps, is it an example of your lack of faith and your failure to render unto God that which is God's?
    Sincerely,
    Bob Anderson

    • @GoreBruce
      @GoreBruce  Рік тому

      For what it's worth, my church held services online for a time during Covid over my objection.

  • @josua2724
    @josua2724 Рік тому

    You blind, the most blind from all blind Pastors - you wanna teach the people??!! Close your mouth you wrong teacher!! Listen what the Lord speaks for you and all people of your kind: Revelation 22, 18-19: 18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
    19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

  • @carenclover7177
    @carenclover7177 4 роки тому +1

    The masks

  • @alexisbonilla5942
    @alexisbonilla5942 Рік тому

    Bruce, the Sons of Loyola have greatly influenced your teachings, whether you know it or not.

    • @GoreBruce
      @GoreBruce  Рік тому

      Thanks for that. I can certainly refer you to some more reliable sources than the Jesuits if you are actually interested.

    • @alexisbonilla5942
      @alexisbonilla5942 Рік тому

      @@GoreBruce when it comes to Biblical truth, references don’t have much to bear - the Bible does contradict itself. Revelation was written when John was in Patmos, and after Antipas was martyred in Pergamum, so the majority of events in Revelation happen from the 2nd century onward.

    • @GoreBruce
      @GoreBruce  Рік тому

      @@alexisbonilla5942 Yes, as one who once believed and taught the position you are advocating, I'm familiar with your case. If you happen to be one of those rare spirits that actually has an open mind on the topic, I recommend the chapter on Revelation in the book by the Cambridge New Testament Scholar, John A.T. Robinson, 'Redating the New Testament,' available here:
      www.amazon.com/Redating-Testament-Arthur-Thomas-Robinson/dp/0664213367/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1BS82YL7EAD99&keywords=j.a.t.+robinson+redating&qid=1677704362&sprefix=j.a.t.+robinson+redating%2Caps%2C492&sr=8-1
      A more popular treatment is in Ken Gentry's 'Before Jerusalem Fell'
      www.amazon.com/Before-Jerusalem-Fell-Dating-Revelation/dp/0982620608/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=ken+gentry+before+jerusalem+fell&qid=1677704415&sprefix=ken+gentry+before+%2Caps%2C146&sr=8-1
      My own treatment is found in lectures 11, 12, and 13 of the above series on the book of Revelation, as well as my treatment of chapter 17 of Revelation is this series. Thank again for your interest.

    • @alexisbonilla5942
      @alexisbonilla5942 Рік тому

      @@GoreBruce in honor of the truth, if you say that the Revelation prophecies were fulfilled during the times of Nero, you have huge problems with Scripture itself. In Matthew 24:21-22, it speaks of the great tribulation period, which is represented by the 5th Seal. Matthew 24:29-42 states:
      "29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 and then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
      32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh: 33 so likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors. 34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. 35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
      36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. 37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, 39 and knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
      The scripture above is a concordance with the 6th Seal, when Jesus returns (the Lamb), and you can see that all of the wonders specified of the sun, moon, stars and the fig tree, correlate with Revelation chapter 6:12 onward. From what I know, Jesus has not returned for His Church yet, and Jesus' return happens immediately after the great tribulation period. This is one of many gaps that I've heard from what you are teaching. The Seventh Seal is the period of Judgement on the earth after the Church has been lifted up.
      God tells us in Isaiah 46:9-10:
      "Remember the former things of old:
      for I am God, and there is none else;
      I am God, and there is none like me,
      10 declaring the end from the beginning,
      and from ancient times the things that are not yet done,
      saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:"
      It would be rather negligent to not warn the Church of all events until His return and Judgement. Anyway, this is just one of the gaps, and I am definitely open to the truth, but with support from scripture.

    • @GoreBruce
      @GoreBruce  Рік тому

      @@alexisbonilla5942 Precisely! As Jesus said, and as you quoted here, "This generation will not pass away till all these things are fulfilled"!

  • @carenclover7177
    @carenclover7177 4 роки тому

    Its repulsive