British Rail-Manchester Victoria+Piccadilly May 1988
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- Опубліковано 12 вер 2018
- A vid from Manchester now, starting with a few shots at Piccadilly before heading over to Victoria, seen in all its glory before the rancid rebuild in the 1990s. Some good traction on this one, a green DMU, a Glasgow 303 EMU, Bury line 504 EMUs, loco hauled Trans-Pennine, DMUs, Pacers (aaargh! i hear some of you say!!!) and Sprinters. If you liked the video please subscribe to my channel, there are lots more transport & quirky vids to upload!
Oh dear. Spent a lot of time here in 1988, while living in Preston, preparing for my wedding in August. Encouraged my future wife and her mum to seek out all the bridal shops in Manchester (and keep going back, just to be sure) so me and my father-in-law could spend a few hours on Vic.
And... I never saw the sun in Manchester either!
PS... I was born in Manchester - spent my first 9 years there. Must be why my skins so pasty 😉
I'm sure they do get sunny days in Manchester, i seem to recall it was out when i filmed the Bury line for the last time in January 1991, played havoc with my videoing.....
Nice to see the 47 hauled Transpennine service.
Six coaches. What made the powers that be think that a 3 car 185 would be suitable in the future. Even now the CAF Novas are only five cars, while passenger numbers are far higher than the days when this was filmed.
Also many of the commuter services are still two cars today.
Maybe they will learn one day.
Do you mean to say people actually exist beyond the M25? Wow, who would have thought, certainly NOT our wonderfull civil service or political elites.....(sarky mode 'on')...anoth galss of Chardonay Gerald.....(oops, sarky mode still on...). Our 'wonderfull elites couldn't give a toss for anything much beyond the M25 so don't get your hopes up of any sort of decent service this century! Where i am a 2 car DMU is normal with the Virgin (notfor much longer though) Vomiters being a more reasonable 5 car which would be great for around here but a bit lacking for a London express service.
Love trains! Especially the class 101, class 108, class 110, classes 114 to 120!
Yes, i liked the first gen DMUs, and made a point of filming them where ever i could......
Great upload again, many thanks sir!
Lovely Jaffa Cake livery, and those odd EMUs with the side-contact third rail :D
Traveled many times on the Bury to Manchester EMU's from the 1970s era. When this was recorded i would of been 22, now 55, some great memories come flooding back after watching this video, thanks to the author for uploading this for us all to see.
My pleasure.... We are the same age funnily enough.......
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus where did you live around the 70's/80's I lived on the Elms estate not far from Whitefield train station..
@@qrphfradio7753 In East London! But i got about a bit......
There were a larger number of trains all over Northwest England before 1987! DMUs were longer too! But they started to experiment with once in a blue moon two carriaged DMUs from Southport to Manchester on July 1981 at the roughly 5.20pm service train, and we were all choked standing up like sardines for the whole journey from Southport to Manchester! The same thing happened again in July 1982 with a roughly 5.20pm Southport to Manchester two carriaged dmu train, with passengers crammed in like death camp sardines!
It could well have been BR being squeezed on its subsidy, as the first gen DMUs stated to fail and/or be due works visits, there was no money to repair them so rather than cut the service they reduced the length.....
Have to say looking at this, the first Provincial livery didn't look at all bad. Actually the Pacers looked quite smart.
Happy days of my youth. The 303s went onto the Glossop/Hadfield line when electrified to 25Kv. The idea being that the route needed sliding door stock after an unfortunate incident a long time ago when passengers stepped of a train on Dinting viaduct in the fog thinking it was at Dinting station
Interesting to know, thanks for that. Although in later years slam door stock did make a return, I've had ex NSE class 305 out to Hadfield.
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus Yes. I am not sure there is a signal on the viaduct at Dinting anymore so no reason for trains to stop on it and anyway we don't get the pea-souper fogs of days gone by.
Whoever authorised the reconstruction of Manchester Victoria in 1993 should be publicly flogged! The station was so much better with ten platforms and two through roads. Look at it now! Four through platforms and two bays. An embarrassment and an insult to those who built it all those years ago!
I agree, just a shadow of its former glory! Luckily i do have more film from there before the re-building and may make it a near future upload.....
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus I agree; the MEN Arena is one of Manchester's ugliest buildings and has adversely impacted on the setting of the listed Victoria Station. A shame the terrorist attack at the Arena a few years ago (that led to the closure of Victoria Station) didn't destroy it! I remember riding the 504s out to Bury to visit the East Lancs Railway before the Metrolink conversion and also the 303 / 304s out of Piccadilly.
I think the 142s have a distinctive sound and this is important to one of my childhood stories where one crashes over a cliff and explodes unearthing a 1000+ year old Viking ship - Good-bye Pacers; long live Vikings!
@@danielsellers8707 Your wish with the Pacers is coming true-sort of! I work at the Manchester Beer Festival and the old Manchester Central is still a fine building today! I have some more vid of the 054 on the Bury line, will be uploaded at some point......
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus I looked up old maps on line co.uk interesting to see the original layout.
Excellent vid mate nice to go back to the 80s cheers Steve ..
My pleasure. There is another Manchester vid here ua-cam.com/video/MLpPyVgVV9w/v-deo.html, enjoy!
Hi , my name is Phil I did 50yrs on the footplate I started at edgeley shed on the 4th of April 1961 in 1962 I was made a fireman when I was made a driver in 1974 at longsight I use to work trains to London and Brum out piccadilly Regards Phil.
Hi Phil, you did well there! I have also been a driver on locos as well as tubes and buses in my time.....The footplate was the best job though, nothing to beat it. Have a long and lovely retirement......
Soi Buakhao Hi, thanks for that and good luck to you Regards Phil.
interesting to see the 142s with the original Leyland National type doors and what sound like the original Leyland engines. :)
Another fantastic video.
Had to laugh at that 142 bouncing out of Victoria. It was shifting a bit lol
Yes, they have a bit of poke to them.
They were called nodding donkeys.
Awesome.
The nice old DMU's we had in those days. Seeing over the driver's shoulder. The old heapy 140's are in use now
Do you mean 142's?....I have actually travelled on a class 140 unit, to East Kilbride. Back in 1981, it was a test train for what became the Pacers.....It was very boxy looking and really did look like a Leyland National inside!
Ah Manchester, how I miss the Woodhead route 😢 and look at how tidy everything was then. No Buddliea anywhere. And a human making announcements, not stupid sterile recordings of nowadays, that wretched see it say it sort it. Great footage of Manchester Victoria before it was wrecked by the arena.
you're a big fan of buddleia aren't you
I remember going to Blackpool by steam train in the 1960,s there was a under passage way that went under the platforms with stair leading up to each platform the entrances have been plugged and wander if the under passages still exsist.
Knowing the railway quite possibly.....a handy place to store things. Who know's what treasures may be down there???.....
The 142 that derailed there is now underground the building If that helps, well, was anyway
I miss that Steak and Mushrooms place just near the entrance....
Ah, Manchester! I’d love to say what wonderful memories but I’m just a wee bit too young to remember all that much of Victoria prior to the Metrolink conversion and the remodelling. Obviously I missed out on so much with all the loco-hauled stock and the lovely 504s (didn’t realise that some lasted in blue/grey til ‘88!) At least Victoria is due to get some loco hauled workings from next year.
Picc I do remember in it’s pre-refurbished form, but most of the 1st Gen MUs had gone my then (just a handful of ex-Strathclyde 101s on the Hope Valley by then). Interesting, indeed ironic, choice of name for 08790!
Thanks for sharing. Really enjoyed this one 👍🏻
I have more! Especially Piccadilly, some lovely old stock now long since gone. Will get it up eventually, at the moment i'm trying to get a spread UK wide. I keep finding places i'd forgotten i'd been to (like Stoke-on-Trent with some pairs of 20s on MGRs) and aim to get them up. Am off for 2 weeks to work at a beer festival so am putting a few up now to cover while i'm away, happy viewing!
Soi Buakhao enjoy the beer🍺
Hic! i will!!!
I was just finishing school in Bury at this time. Victoria was pretty horrific as a passenger at this time. Very fun down and very wet in the Manchester rain. I remember the demolition and construction of the arena.
Variety of trains was great though and having the banker stabled in the centre road often threw up a surprise.
A 1st gen DMU up the hill to Rochdale or Oldham with a front row seat is something I miss.
BlackAndDeckerBoy I’m probably in the minority in that I have absolutely no problem with Victoria’s rebuild. I’d certainly rather wait for a train there than at the windswept and rainy Oxford Road or the through platform at Picc. The loss of loco hauled stock and the first gen units would’ve happened rebuild or not, I guess.
Ohhhhh manchester
Does anyone remember the class 104 dmus with green formica interiors?
47452, the loco which fell over at Morpeth a few years earlier
I think that one survived quite well. After Speedlink ended in 1991 didn't it end up working on the Oxford's of Old Oak?....
30 years on Pacers are still in service.
Nowt wrong with the Pacers, better than some of the rubbish around now.
Should all be gone at the end of 2019.
Replaced by 195s, one was out on test on the 14th September think there's a video on here
Yes more rancid sealed rubbish
I have a soft spot for Leyland National's so i have no problem with them. I hope a few get saved and end up on a preserved line or lines.
Arh I remember when the big terminals had 08 pilot locos there somewhere, can't remember (apart for Inverness) last time I saw a 08 in a station
I always liked to get film of gronks working, the unsung workhorses of the railway, even today. One of the best bits of film i have is 3 working all at the same time in the yard behind Scunthorpe Stn platforms, now sadly all overgrown (if it's still there).
Soi Buakhao l used to commute by train between Scunthorpe and Doncaster back in the late 1970s and would get to the station early just to watch the action in the then very busy marshalling yard. As you say, not uncommon to see 2 or 3 gronks all scurrying around simultaneously. As an aside, did you ever get to see or film the class 13 “master & slave” supergronks in action at Tinsley Yard ( effectively 2 permantly coupled gronks with the cab of the “slave” unit removed) It would be great if you had any footage of that.
The BR sprinter with the running man symbol are in use to day
Yes, it's funny to think now but the Sprinters are no as old, if not older, than a lot of the first generation DMUs.....
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus sprinters are pretty new late 80s/early 90s
@@williamg209two The Sprinters were all built in the 1980s.....The 158 & 159s finished their build run by around 1993....
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus yeah I know so how are they older then the first gen dmus
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus Were they older than Pacers? I assume they have been replaced before the Pacers since they were not always in the media for being too old.
Those 31s and 47s at Vic seemed to do a lot of shunting about without seeming to do very much. The Strathclyde and Greater Manchester liveries were pretty much identical weren't they, it saved on repainting the old 303s.
Yes, the 303's just had a name change oh their sides. The loco s were shunting about the loco holding sidings outside Man Vic traincrew depot.
Great video. By the way they totally different liveries - Strathclyde was red and black, Greater Manchester was orange and brown.
It’s interesting to see a 303 in Manchester and in SPT livery, must’ve been on loan
Some were sent south to finish their days in Manchester. If some of the 304s were due a works overhaul BR probably decided not to do so as they were due for replacement so used some 303s spare from Galsgow that still had a few yaers to go before they works visit or more likey withdrawl. Of course the Strathclyde colours were almost similar so avaoided too much repainting!
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus They needed the 303s (8 I think) extra to the 304s to cover the Hatfield branch once it had been converted to AC to replace the DC units. And as I said there was at the time a rule that the Hatfield branch had to have sliding door stock.
Were those with the \ / thing on the front part of the Pacer class?
I'm not sure what you are refering to?....What point on the film did you spot it?....The Pacers were class 142s if that helps....
How come some class 104 dmu trains had ear piercing exhaust noise whilst others have sound proof exhaust pipes (first generation dmu)?
Different builders using different engines/exhaust parts i imagine?......
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus Thank you.
Each DMU class had its own bodyshell, interior design and exhaust path. BRCW units (class 104) had a bodyshell with wooden interior panels and windows that vibrated to a resonant crescendo towards full revs every time they started in first gear. Other units (e.g. the Swindon and Gloucester cross country units) were heavier and did not vibrate with the engine revs but struggled to reach 60mph even though they had 2 power cars one trailer (lovely deep seats in 1st class though) . Whilst the class 101 Met cams were light and in 3 car formation could cruise all day at 70mph but were annoyingly bouncy. Cravens had the exhaust going through the guard's van but were still super noisy and vibrated to buggery in first and second gear. Derby lightweights had spacious interiors, rode well and did not vibrate too much but were almost always in 2 car power trailer sets so only went above 55mph downhill with a following wind. And so on - although to a standard template every class had its own weaknesses. And all had one weakness though - useless Smiths heaters that often did not work and when they did leaks in the flues allowed the passengers to enjoy the pungent smell of diesel fumes in the passenger compartments.
Interesting, we thought the 'modern' multiple units were salvation. Actually they drove passengers away!
Possibly but they helped keep quite a few lines open. In the 80s BR could have only dreamt of unlimited pots of gold that have been thrown at the railways since 1994!
Nice video, does anyone know how long Manchester got the 303's
dminalba They would’ve been gone by about 1992/3 I should think- the Altrincham lines went over to Metrolink by ‘92 and the 323s would’ve replaced the other 1st Gen EMU workings on the Stoke and Crewe lines not long after.
@@30453trains I remember on the line towards Paisley you go past Shields Road Depot in the mid 90s you can see some 303s still in Manchester livery, when they returned to Glasgow they were left never to return to service
Some were allocated to Crewe in 1981 for use on the Liverpool services 303041,049,050,059,066 & 067 I think. Longsight started to train them in early 1983 and 303036, 048, 053, 060, 078 & 082 were added at that time too. They became regular on the same diagrams as class 304 from mid 83'.
+Steven Robertson 303048 after service in the North West it was restored to its original livery of Caledonian blue when it was returned to Glasgow it was cut up about 1996 because of asbestos contamination. Here is 303 048 in action in a tour: ua-cam.com/video/h_5D45T8Vzw/v-deo.html and 303049 after use in Liverpool was used as a test unit by Network South East. It was renumbered 303999 and painted in NSE toothpaste livery
Great that video - thanks for that, I really liked those units. What a shame it was cut up though....
Great video, not exactly a smart move to sell off the vast land around Victoria 'on the cheap' back in the early 90's. With such a growing city a Victoria station with significantly more capacity than the tiny station that holds the name Victoria today would be invaluable. No lessons I am sure have been learned though.
The old station had plenty of room but the new one was more like a provincial country station rather than a busy station in the middle of a conurbation! The trouble was BR was always strapped for cash so looked to make money where ever it could. Ridership was on a downward trend, they never imagined the massive population growth plus rise of internet and devices, all of which added to rail's passenger increase!
They turned it form a station thats nice and fitting to awful and unfitting