Hope was so desperate to try to get Liam to turn on steffy. She was grasping at anything, then changing her tactic to whatever she thought would work. Its unfortunate that Liam couldn't see her attempted manipulations, the lies, the hypocrisy and the judgment by Hope. Hope is a snob who criticises and condemns but she can't take criticism herself. She's not even making any sense when she's trying to get Liam to stay with her and she blames everything on Steffy.
OMG Hope!! As a suprise elopement by her mother wasn't forcing Liam into committing to her then she has the audacity to call Steffy's pregnancy a manipulation tactic.
It's always funny to me that hope accuses Steffi of getting pregnant on purpose when you fast forward a couple years and she got pregnant mere weeks before steffi gave birth to liams first born
Seriously, if i hear ''we exchanged vows in Italy '' one more time? YOU REFUSED TO SIGN THE MARRIAGE CERTIFICATE. HOPE!!! You keep leaving that part out!
Boom! Not only she refused to sign, she ripped them up. Then she called off the Do-Over wedding at Eric's house and broke up with him. Now she's back months later trying to marry him AGAIN. She's insane lol
@DeMarcusFountain-sv6fi And hole keeps forgetting she broke up with Liam BEFORE the lie. She told Liam he didn't deserve her. Everyone seems to forget that part.
The Brooke apple has truly transformed into her mother. Trying to minimize Steffy's pregnancy to manipulate Liam's decision. Yes, Hope is her mother's child.
LOOK HOPE BLAMING STEFFY, POINTING FINGERS WHEN SHE AND HER MOTHER ARE DOING THE SAMETHING THING SHE IS ACCUSING STEFFY OF EXCEPT THIS TIME THEY ARE GUILTY AS USUAL.
Steffy was right. She couldn't plan a pregnancy based on a secret she knew nothing about in the first place & she was pregnant before hope went after liam again. She wasn't even going to tell him until he made a decision but thanks to Brooke impromptu elopement she had no choice
Hope and her mother just like to hear themselves talk and are sore losers. It was funny when she thought she talked Liam into asking her to move out, guess it ain’t funny anymore.
Thank you!!!! Hope made herself look incredibly crazy here. She was just looking for excuses to get Liam to choose her. How exactly does someone trap their boyfriend. How exactly did Steffy trap Liam. Steffy and Liam were IN A RELATIONSHIP and a very committed one at that. They were living together and very sexually active. Yes Liam and Steffy were being careful but sometimes slip ups happen. Brooke of all ppl should know that. Whenever you lay down with someone you open up yourself to the possibility of getting pregnant and that's what happened with Steffy. Steffy did not get pregnant on purpose.
Exactly! How could Steffy plan a pregnancy when she had no idea Brooke was gonna come up with this stupid "Insta Wedding" at the Cliff House? Hope's logic is crazy. Steffy was living with Liam and they're were sexually active and no birth control is 100% anyway. She got pregnant by her boyfriend, it happens. But Brooke trained Hope to always blame Steffy no matter what
Hope is a lunatic!! Blaming Steffy for getting pregnant!!! Um was she in there alone getting pregnant or was she in a committed relationship with Liam because you gave up on him after both Liam and Steffy begged you to forgive him for something he didn’t know he supposedly did!!! Just sad!!
Yes, when there were more characters and storylines, a better balance. Now it's all Hope all the time (or Hope 2.0 - Flo) or Brooke and Lame saying the same thing every episode. 😭
Damn. Any sane person would of bowed out graciously by now. Steffy slept with him first,married him first (twice) ,and now was the first to carry his child. Like damn girl. You lost the argument, the fight, the battle and the war. Just give it up already.😂
Right, then Steffy went and slept with Bill, Liam's daddy, so does that mean Steffy has first claim on Bill as well? 😂😂 Next we are going to find out Kelly is REALLY Bill's kid. 😂😂 Watch Bell make the plot even thicker by finding out Hope has Wyatt's child hidden in Paris that no one knows about yet either. 😂😂
@Monica Williams and isn't it funny how when they brought back the "NEW" Hope, all of a sudden they paint her as so sweet, innocent and morally correct? Umm wasn't it Hope that was pregnant with Wyatt's baby, not to mention MARRIED to Wyatt while sneaking around behind Wyatt's back, exchanging spit with Liam? I thought it hilarious that when Hope lost her baby and her final scene with Liam. Liam never asked her to stay or even be with him in the future. 🤣🤣🤣 Seems to me that Liam only wanted her b/c Wyatt wanted her. More of a control issue than actual love.
Hope wow! I can’t with you. You were in Liam’s face this entire time where as Steffy actually gave him space. You and Brooke are at his house trying to push marriage when he was in a relationship with Steffy? I don’t see how you think you’re better than her especially in this situation. You didn’t let him choose
@karenprince - you're exactly right. And to add to that, Hope told Liam " don't let yourself get pressured into anything".... Uh, like a surprise wedding? Hope is so stupid.... she doesn't even remember that steffy told liam to marry hope in Italy- she didn't get in the way and she didn't know what Bill was doing until after, but poor little hope, always the victim of mean ' ol Steffy. And weren't liam and steffy married while they were in Cabo? Just proves why Steffy wanted to keep them separated .....hope thinks she owns Liam and can drop him every time he's not perfect but when he starts to move on with Steffy, Hope thinks she can snap her fingers and get him back. And she was just so pathetically desperate here with Liam ..
To this date Hope and Liam have had 7 weddings, 8 if you want to consider their first engagement and only one has ever been legal. That is a lot of faild attempts. It sure does give weight to what Taylor said about how they just can't seem to get it together. As much as I dislike Brooke she at least married Ridge multiple times. Hope demands to much and she thinks her wedding is more important than her actual marriage. When Liam and hope are together it's all about Hope. Steffy is the complete opposite, she is all about Liam!
I really think Liam was going to choose Steffy before the Baby news came out. As much as Bill stirs up drama, I think he's right about Steffy being more suited for Liam. Hope reminds me of girls in high school.
I was the first fan of Lope but Hope is a copy of her mother, Steffy has her mistakes but she has become more mature and seems to be more sensible. Hope is a small selfish child #TeamSteam
Hope is so disgusting. Because she can't stand the situation, she decides how her mother would. She is no better than her. And wants to persuade Liam that they can get through this together. That's rubbish. Every second sentence of her is a lie.
The human mattress and her mini me got exactly what they deserved in this episode. Loved it, want to see more of this steffy, Stephainie's name sake attitude ❤
Cause she's a Logan. And for Logans, it's all about winning, not true love. Just like Brooke "won" against Taylor, Hope wanted to "win" against Steffy. Even if that means Liam still has feelings for Steffy
Wow, my idea of Hope really changed here. Where does she get off saying that Steffy is trapping? What kinda person refers to a child that was conceived in love as a trap. Liam handled this way better than me. Had that been me all hell would've broken loose. How are you call a child, Liam's child a trap. Regardless of the circumstances, no child is a mistake or a trap. The timing might be off but its never a mistake. Hope is an awful perspn for viewing Liam and Steffy's baby as a mistake but hey, she is Brooke's daughter so its only natural she would feel that way. I mean that's how Brooke saw Taylor and her children for years. She always saw them as a problem. She sees them as something that kept Ridge from being completely hers. I'm sure that there is a part of Brooke that wishes that Ridge never even married Taylor or had children with her. Hope needs to spare me the BS, talking about how Steffy trapped Liam. If Steffy is trapping Liam then what the hell were you and your mother doing just nos. So let me get this straight so Steffy getting pregnant is a trap but Brooke and Hope springing a surprise elopement on Liam isn't. At least it wasn't Steffy's intention to get pregnant. Brooke on the hand knew exactly what she was doing. Screw Hope and her fake ass vows. YOU are the one who chose not to sign the marriage certificate. YOU did that. You could've been married but instead YOU chose to believe your lying ass brother and Othello. YOU left Liam. What the hell did you thinj was gonna happen, Hope? You thought Liam was gonna sit around and wait forever. You thought Liam was gonna put his life on hold. You thought he was gonna wait for you to come to your senses. No he isn't obligated to do any of those things. When a marriage or relationship ends both parties have to move on and life has moved on. Liam moved on without you. Hope is telling Liam that the baby changes nothing, that they can handle it. That it doesn't have to let it affect their lives. Its interesting that Hope says that. So Hope, are you ready to be a stepmother. Would Hope have accepted that child? I don't think so. She would still view that child as a problem cause in some way or the other, Liam would still connected to Steffy. Also, Hope cannot compare the situation with Amber to the situation with Steffy. First off, Liam and Amber never had sex. They never had any kind of the relationship. Amber was just a goldigging skank looking for a meal ticket. Liam and Steffy, however, were together and very much in love. Hope can't compare the two, they are both completely different situations. Steffy is right. Hope thinks that now that this so called "secret" is out that Liam is supposed to automatically come to her. That's how all these Logan women see everything. When they have been "wronged", they think they have a right to take back what's "theirs". They think all men are supposed to automatically come to them. Bridget did it with Owen when she had Logan. She thought once Logan got here, Owen was gonna leave Jackie. She thought Owen was gonna automatically come to her but that didn't happen and she got highly upset that he rejected her advances. Instead, she sat there and pined after the man for over a year. Also, everyone sat there and patted her on the back and told her it was ok. No one told her to try and move on. They all sat there and encouraged her in her feelings. When Liam didn't come back to Hope immediately after everything came out, she should've taken that as a sign. She should've let this dream of her and Liam being together go. After Liam confrontned Bill, he went home and made love to Steffy. He wasn't even thinking about Hope at all. She should've just left it alone. My god, that Brooke. She is truly a piece of work. Where does she get off saying that Steffy and Liam would have an unhappy marriage? Lemme guess why? Cause you don't think Steffy can make Liam happy. The only woman on planet Earth for Liam is Hope. Nobody else is good enough. Nobody else can make him happy. Only a Logam woman can make a man happy. Hope is telling Liam that he doesn't have to commit himself to Steffy. Hope, anyhow you take it, Liam is going to be committed to Steffy. He is going to be committed to her and their child even if they are not together. Hope really needed to think twice about this. She is really ready for this. She is really ready to share Liam with Steffy and a child. Is she ready to see them bond over their child? Nope, I think not. Hope is accusing Steffy of lying to Liam about the pregnancy. How is Steffy lying? She should be able to reveal her pregnancy whenever she wants. Its her baby. Her pregnancy. Her call. Hope is just mad that Steffy came in and put a stop to her so called "wedding"
Only one thing to add, she called off that wedding before Rick's lie because Liam had been out all night, was hungover and had the neck tattoo and dyed hair and she had another one of tantrums about how this was another wrecked wedding so she wasn't going through with it. Rick's lie just meant that Hope broke up with him yet again after that.
@@amandamandamandsNot only that Hope made her decision long before Rick had Othello lie. She went on this long tirade about Liam being so disrespectful to her. She wanted to be this strong woman and she got rid of Liam. Now that Rick fesses up to what he did everything is supposed to magically go back to the way it was and that can't happen.
@@RealTalk1411 Totally, it is always that her life has been upended by lies and manipulations. She never takes responsibility for her part in it. I couldn't get over her saying that her mom wouldn't have let her ride a motorcycle when if she was pregnant. I was so WTF when she said that. 1st if you are a grown adult you shouldn't be doing or not doing things because mommy said so. 2nd she can't ride a bike so there is no way of knowing how either of them would react if she could.
@@amandamandamands Liam going out with Steffy the night before the 2nd wedding was not Steffy's fault. Liam was planning to have dinner with Hope that night but she canceled and he decided to go and hang out with Steffy. That was LIAM'S decision. Not Steffy's. Steffy was on her own scene. She was entertaining her friends who came from London and Liam showed up. That was not her fault. I remember that episode very very well. Liam came to the club and found her. Hope was making it out to be like Steffy forced Liam to go partying with her or she told Liam to ditch the dinner with Hope and come to the club. But that's the problem with Hope, she always likes to blame Steffy. Anything that goes wrong in Hope's life is Steffy's fault.
Hope is unbelievable..... She and her mother try to strong-arm Liam into a surprise wedding and she has the audacity to accuse Steffy of not letting liam make up his own mind. 😂😂😂😂 she's so desperate to be with liam she can't even face the truth, and now she's trying to manipulate him into marrying her. And of course hope would tell liam if she was pregnant because she knows it would be the cap on the bottle of trapping Liam.
I just can't with Hope. She would have said Steffy's using the pregnancy to influence Liam regardless of when she told him, because she can't stand for Liam to see Steffy in a good way. Brooke, if you really believed Liam wants Hope only, you would not have arranged that shotgun wedding!
Steffy did let Liam make his own decision Steffy did tell Liam if he still wants to be with Hopeless he can go right a head Steffy said she would be hurt but she will survive and she will not be second to Hopeless. Liam said no we r raising this child together. Go back and see the show again and again.
Really Hope!? Your mother was the one conniving for you before Liam made his decision. Forcing a wedding no good. Logans blame everyone never them selves. Smh!
Hope is saying that Steffy never intended for Liam to make his own desicion. Please what do you call the wedding that you tried to get him into? Just as disqusting as Brooke
@@shelaswaucrier3752 Let's be real here Brooke panicked that's why she went and planned this surprise elopement. Liam was leaning more towards Steffy and Brooke knew it. She saw that Hope was going to lose again and she panicked. They thought that when Liam asked Steffy to move out, they had won and that Hope would be moving in. They saw that as a sign that Liam made his decision and that decision was Hope but that didn't happen. Brooke felt like Liam was taking too long with his decision and decided to speed up the process and throw together this shotgun wedding.
@@bluecolor1600 Its the truth. If Brooke was so sure that Liam would choose Hope then why go through all of this to plan a surprise elopement and fly the priest in from Italy. Why not let Liam decide on his own. Brooke lost confidence that Liam would choose Hope hence the reason why she threw together this shotgun wedding.
Every single word that came out of Hope's mouth about Steffy was a lie, but if hope had said the same things about herself, it would have been the truth.
Hopeless saying : “She smiles at you and you can’t see the truth...” it’s pretty hypocritical... since her and her mother scheme, lie, manipulate and guilt-trip Liam to this day.... it’s also interesting how fast she changed her tune when she got pregnant!!!
That's why I don't like the Logans. When a Logan gets pregnant its a beautiful thing but the minute a Forrester gete pregnant its a trap or a mistake. Regardless of how and when a baby was conceived it is not a mistake. The timing might be off but its never a mistake. Hope's behaviour here was ridiculous and it speaks volumes about her as a person. Why would Liam want to be with someone like that? Why would you want to be with someone who views your baby as a trap or a problem or a mistake. I would never want to be with someone like that. Regardless of what Hope thinks that baby was conceived in love. There was love between Liam and Steffy when that baby was created. But you see that's how these Logan women think. They see anything and anybody who is standing in the way of them and their "destiny" as a problem. All of them are that way, Hope, Brooke, Donna, Katie hell even Bridget is that way.
@robindeas1610 Yes she is. Its like she's living vicariously through her. Brooke wants Hope to be everything that she wasn't. Thats why Hope still in 2023 doesn't know who she is cause she never got to be her own person
I remember this storyline was so stupid. When Caroline first came on the show, she was all about charity. She even started her own breast cancer foundation in her aunt's name. She was the sweetest, kindest human being you could find. And now out of nowhere she is too worried about her heels and hair to help people in need? They did a complete 180 on her character just so she would fit into a specific role in this love triangle with Maya. Terrible writing.
@@tazny3229 They did the same thing with Maya later on. Suddenly she was no longer the sweet and innocent woman from a tough life became an entitled shrew who demeaned and poked fun at everyone under her alongside Ric after he was put in charge of the company. This show has done this repeatedly with multiple characters when they need them to fulfill a certain role in a certain story. It's crappy writing at its worst.
Liam was already engaged to Steffy when Hope chased them to Aspen ,he was also with Steffy when he saw Hope on the beach with Thomas. Why do they blame Steffy for protecting what is already hers. Hope is the one chasing after Liam after she's already thrown him away.
Just like Katie. But when Katie does it Brooke uses that as a reason to sleep with Bill. When Hope does it everyone including Steffy are the bad guys and everyone is just supposed to give Liam back to Hope. The hypocrisy is strong in the Logan clan!
hope is all talk.. staying steffy keeping secrets. well did you forget you were on drugs and hiding it from liam and also lied about not going to take it anyway
And yeah, Hope really would have walked in on Steffy and Liam rolling around on the bed to tell him she was pregnant if it had been her? Yeah, right. Steffy's reaction made sense.
To have a mindset like this is totally Logan behavior. Fast forward when HOpe sleeps with Liam while he is still married to Steffy and she gets pregnant..Not once did Steffy call her baby exactly what it is..a trapbaby! HOpe couldn't wait to get pregnant and trap Liam to her hip. SMH they disgust me!!🤨🤷🏽♀️🤬🤬
@@UrGworlCanCan Look at her now she gets this sour look on her face everytime Kelly's name is mentioned she resents that child because her existence doesn't factor into hopes little fairy tale
How can you say Hope is worse than Steffy when it was Steffy that trapped Hope in a Gondola so that she could marry Liam. The truth is Liam will choose Hope over any woman. If Hope is out of the picture, Liam will choose Steffy. That's the truth. Hope is Liam's heart.
I find it funny that hope is always accusing steffi of being the manipulator when she's so dam in secure she couldn't even let Liam be around his own daughter for Christmas. That's what she got on that stupid helicopter to begin with
I hate hope. What kind of person goes up to a pregnant woman and say that she’s using the baby as a trap? Steffy if the last person to do that, and like she said , when the child was conceived, Hope wasn’t in the picture. Then starts saying how steffy purposely didn’t take the pill is just sick. Her and her mother both
For being so sure that Liam only loves her, Hope tries desperately to put Steffy down in order to influence him. She really is just a horribly spoiled teenager.
See that is the problem right there after all these years Hope is still that same whining entitled spineless little girl she always has been. Steffi made huge mistakes But the difference is she has grown and learned from her mistakes
Hopeless is the same damn kid she was when she was SORASED 10 years ago, she never changed she’s like a mini version of her mother, for the record I despise both them two
Steffy should have slapped Brooke. The nerve of Brooke when Hope is a product of an affair between her son-in-law and her daughter Bridget. Hope really needs to humble herself. This episode shows how selfish Hope is! This is why I was never a Hope fan.
Hopeless listen to yourself your trying to manipulate Lame by telling him that Steffy is like this and like that you're in denial that Lame and Steffy have so much fire and excitement when they're together 😍😍😍
Hmmm why she tried to sleep with Oliver while he was with Hope & Lope were together, it was steffy who got in that relationship to keep them apart. Liam said so himself. :P
Certainly, Steffy interfered in the past but Hope also made the choice to reject Liam. She could very well have been married to Liam by signing the marriage certificate after returning from Italy, but she did not. She preferred to believe her brother rather than her so-called love. Hope had multiple opportunities to right the manipulations caused by Steffy, Bill and Rick but she made the choice to walk away. True, Steffy was not innocent in the past, but she gave Liam the choice and many times. No one forced Liam to love Steffy or put the ring on her. She annoys me this Hope to blame others who are certainly not innocent but she made choices. Never, she will question this girl. Brooke, let Hope grow, she gives him everything on a silver platter. Liam and Hope, their story will always be filled with non-communication and no trust.
My goodness, Liam has been married to Steffy, divorced from Steffy, and shacked up with Steffy (at his request), and has now made a baby with Steffy. Why is it that Hope has determined that Liam is unable to know whether or not Steffy has changed? Hope is a sickening little thing. Were I Steffy, I would tell both Liam and Hope to go jump in the nearest lake because I could raise my kiddo on my own. It would be a lot less stressful.
Who was it that was pushing another wedding on him? It didn't look like Steffy up there with the Priest from Italy, and who was it that had there brother add pressure on Liam, after telling Steffy they would let Liam make up his own mind. And by the way when you are on your Honeymoon, you don't normally want your husband's ex around.
Lol Hope is hilarious. She broke off her engagement with Liam because she saw Liam and Steffy kissing in the driveway. She ripped up the papers that would have made her marriage in Italy legal because Liam and Steffy were making out on her wedding day, she broke up with Liam cause Liam spent all night partying with Steffy the day before the Wedding at Eric's house (and she thought they kissed). But now that Steffy is pregnant with Liam's child, Hope is all of a sudden so desperate to cling on to Liam 😂😂
Yet fast forward she came back 3yes later to steal and get pregnant by a married Liam at the time…. Please she is and will always be annoying and boring..
OMG every time i listen and see hope she reminds of the kind of people who believe in Santa clause and the easter bunny. a Suprise elopement by her mother just as she said to give him space She TALKS ABOUT TUERE LOVE AND DESTINY BUT how does she not see Liams hesitation.
Steffy was spot on. Liam and Steffy told her the truth about the club and she didnt believe them. She believed her brother's lie. So Liam moved on and reconnected with Steffy. They were together for months and were living together. I mean she knew how Steffy felt about Liam and she knew Liam still had feelings for Steffy so what did Hope expect? But now that Rick finally admitted the truth, she thinks that everything is suppose to go back to how it was? Basically Steffy and Liam's relationship and feelings dont matter. Hope wants him again and everybody should just accept it. Steffy haters get on Steffy for being spoiled and entitled but Hope is exactly the same way. She's just a flowery version of Steffy. Brooke raised Hope to believe that she can get whatever she wants in life and the second her reality doesn't match the fairytale in her head, she pouts, freaks out and runs away
If she had said something before Hope would say Steffy is influencing Liam. When she does it after she says Steffy is influencing him again. Steffy was in a lose-lose situation in which she did the right thing. If liam wanted her he would pick her and then she would've told him without his decission being brought on by the fact that a child is involved. Just say it hope you're plain insecure that you have to make up excuses to change liam's train of thought🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️ Even your own mother kept contridicting herself when she said if Steffy was sure liam was going to pick her why didn't she tell liam earlier but yet here she (brooke) is forcing Liam to marry hope if she feels he would've picked Hope
After many months of being sweet, caring, loving and always striving to do the right thing, they suddenly decided to assassinate the character of Caroline! Yes she was prissy but she was sweet and a warrior for the illness that killed her aunt. Today, they started transforming her into a shallow petty woman. This sets the stage for Maya to enter the picture! It was so out of character for her to be so against helping at Daisies. I am putting blame where it belongs! Hope/Liam/Steffy story can kick rocks! Sick of that merry-go-round. I am watching this for the second time in 2023.
Steffy did hope a favor - had she held the baby news and liam married hope, hope would have lost her mind trying to pretend to be supportive through the pregnancy - hope is not built for that type of long game (her mom is she is not) looking at current episodes she is still not sophisticated enough to play the long game ... the storyline would have been more engaging if hope was more like her mom .... but I see how they were trying to switch rolls
"Father Montana says in his eyes, we are still married" Lol well if that's the case Hope, Liam spent the majority of your "marriage" IN A RELATIONSHIP WITH STEFFY 😂
Mia sings beautiful! Those less fortunate are equally talented as the middle class and the upper class they just need someone with a heart to help them.
Exactly. She tried to do everything in her power to get Liam to turn on Steffy and choose her once and for all and when he didn't, she couldn't believe it
Hope needs to stop saying trap in the cage, Steffy didn't push the stop button...someone else did, so she needs to grow up and chuck up and move on...she's always listening to other people's opinions when they lie and when the truth comes out...then she wants Liam back, like she lost her dog...too funny!!!
I dont know what is going on in Hopes head but she still never gets it. This baby wasnt planned and steffy didnt trapped liam. its as always, Hope blames steffy and Taylor for her problems. You know what Hope, take responsibility for your own actions. its obvious Hope is manipulating Liam to chose her over the baby. I mean my God hope, let Liam make his decision
Us fans do all the time lol. And now in 2023, she's doing it again to Thomas. The guy is desperately in love with her and shes just using him for sex and to stroke her ego
Says the girl that wants to plan when she sleeps with her man. Oh brother 🙄 How Hope is so naive, self absorbed and frankly she lacks self awareness it is truly amazing. That's when Liam should have pointed out that is where Hope is selfish and Steffy is selfless!
I agree Liam was going back to Steffy and hope and her mother didn't let Liam make up his own mind them is the ones who is wrong not Steffy hope is just like her mother
If Hopeless would have signed the papers they would have been married. Yet again believe what someone else says she ripped the papers up. For one that is the past u live for the future. Hopeless will never grow up she is a mommies girl instead of a daddies girl is much stronger they learn quicker. Hopeless is weak as woman listening two them both Steffy has grown alot.
I hate how they turned Caroline into some vapid, self involved hag when they introduced Maya to Rick. And they made Rick look like a selfless genuine guy. *Hysterical laughter* Ridiculous. And Hope is so annoying. Is she even listening? "I didn't feel for Amber what I feel for Steffy." CLEARLY Liam loves her too. Hope always likes to act like he doesn't. And accusing Steffy of "conveniently" getting pregnant? Steffy is right. When she got pregnant, Hope wasn't apart of the equation. Steffy didn't know about the lie. Liam knew he had told the truth. Hope has no one to blame but Bill and herself for losing Liam. Bill did manipulate things but Hope ALLOWED herself to be manipulated.
Lol the way Hope talks about Steffy. Like shes some evil witch that has Liam under a spell. Hate to break it to ya Hope but Steffy didnt make Liam fall in love with her. He did that all on his own
Yes of course. Liam just don't like hurting people's feelings. That his biggest problem. He's a people pleaser. He never wants to be the bad guy by making a decisive decision. And in the end that way of thinking hurts people anyway
All the ladys that play on here should be a shame for what they do like hope and Brooke l can not stand them at all you need to get real and hope needs to stop taking pills
I was laughing everytime Taylor was telling Brooke off. 😂, Brooke deserved it her and her hypocrisy.
“Liam will be there for you, with Hope by his side” 🤣🤣 Brooke is too much guys. The logans don't know how to take an L.
Hope is such a sanctimonious witch!
Yeah mother like daughter, Hope is definitely her mother’s daughter
Hope was so desperate to try to get Liam to turn on steffy. She was grasping at anything, then changing her tactic to whatever she thought would work.
Its unfortunate that Liam couldn't see her attempted manipulations, the lies, the hypocrisy and the judgment by Hope. Hope is a snob who criticises and condemns but she can't take criticism herself.
She's not even making any sense when she's trying to get Liam to stay with her and she blames everything on Steffy.
She get it from her condescending, hypocritical mother
Hope serious open up your eyeballs. Seriously take some accountability for your own actions. You trapped Liam into this whole reenactment of Italy.
OMG Hope!! As a suprise elopement by her mother wasn't forcing Liam into committing to her then she has the audacity to call Steffy's pregnancy a manipulation tactic.
It's always funny to me that hope accuses Steffi of getting pregnant on purpose when you fast forward a couple years and she got pregnant mere weeks before steffi gave birth to liams first born
Seriously, if i hear ''we exchanged vows in Italy '' one more time? YOU REFUSED TO SIGN THE MARRIAGE CERTIFICATE. HOPE!!! You keep leaving that part out!
Yes! Or that she kicked Liam out of the do-over wedding, telling him his love wasn't good enough.
Boom! Not only she refused to sign, she ripped them up. Then she called off the Do-Over wedding at Eric's house and broke up with him. Now she's back months later trying to marry him AGAIN. She's insane lol
@DeMarcusFountain-sv6fi And hole keeps forgetting she broke up with Liam BEFORE the lie. She told Liam he didn't deserve her. Everyone seems to forget that part.
The Brooke apple has truly transformed into her mother. Trying to minimize Steffy's pregnancy to manipulate Liam's decision. Yes, Hope is her mother's child.
Brooke would know that better than anyone she's been pregnant by everyone's husband
@@jenniferporter7355
Agree 100% 😂😂😂
In 2023, Hope is truly becoming her mother
LOOK HOPE BLAMING STEFFY, POINTING FINGERS WHEN SHE AND HER MOTHER ARE DOING THE SAMETHING THING SHE IS ACCUSING STEFFY OF EXCEPT THIS TIME THEY ARE GUILTY AS USUAL.
It is Liam's baby hope
Steffy was right. She couldn't plan a pregnancy based on a secret she knew nothing about in the first place & she was pregnant before hope went after liam again. She wasn't even going to tell him until he made a decision but thanks to Brooke impromptu elopement she had no choice
Hope and her mother just like to hear themselves talk and are sore losers. It was funny when she thought she talked Liam into asking her to move out, guess it ain’t funny anymore.
Thank you!!!! Hope made herself look incredibly crazy here. She was just looking for excuses to get Liam to choose her. How exactly does someone trap their boyfriend. How exactly did Steffy trap Liam. Steffy and Liam were IN A RELATIONSHIP and a very committed one at that. They were living together and very sexually active. Yes Liam and Steffy were being careful but sometimes slip ups happen. Brooke of all ppl should know that. Whenever you lay down with someone you open up yourself to the possibility of getting pregnant and that's what happened with Steffy. Steffy did not get pregnant on purpose.
Plus, Hope dumped Liam BEFORE the lie. She told him he didn't deserve her - before the lie. But now hope and Brooke want to change the narrative
Exactly! How could Steffy plan a pregnancy when she had no idea Brooke was gonna come up with this stupid "Insta Wedding" at the Cliff House? Hope's logic is crazy. Steffy was living with Liam and they're were sexually active and no birth control is 100% anyway. She got pregnant by her boyfriend, it happens. But Brooke trained Hope to always blame Steffy no matter what
@@DeMarcusFountain-sv6fi Brooke trained hope to evade any kind of accountability.... it's always someone else's fault
Hope is a lunatic!! Blaming Steffy for getting pregnant!!! Um was she in there alone getting pregnant or was she in a committed relationship with Liam because you gave up on him after both Liam and Steffy begged you to forgive him for something he didn’t know he supposedly did!!! Just sad!!
Years later and I still love these episodes
Yes, when there were more characters and storylines, a better balance. Now it's all Hope all the time (or Hope 2.0 - Flo) or Brooke and Lame saying the same thing every episode. 😭
Yes me too
I like some of them but hope should have left liam a long time ago
Even though I hate the Hope character I miss this one over the new one
Does anyone else find it funny that Hope & Liam are both each dressed perfectly for a TOTAL surprise elopment??🤔😥🙄🙄
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Omg! Good point! How did I miss that!?
Yes! That's what I said!!
Well Liam was at work and Hope was supposedly taking pictures with Oliver
Liam was at work and came home blindsided by Brooke and Hope with the surpise elopement lol
Damn. Any sane person would of bowed out graciously by now. Steffy slept with him first,married him first (twice) ,and now was the first to carry his child. Like damn girl. You lost the argument, the fight, the battle and the war. Just give it up already.😂
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Ikr so sad really the apple doesn't fall from the tree
Right, then Steffy went and slept with Bill, Liam's daddy, so does that mean Steffy has first claim on Bill as well? 😂😂 Next we are going to find out Kelly is REALLY Bill's kid. 😂😂 Watch Bell make the plot even thicker by finding out Hope has Wyatt's child hidden in Paris that no one knows about yet either. 😂😂
@Monica Williams and isn't it funny how when they brought back the "NEW" Hope, all of a sudden they paint her as so sweet, innocent and morally correct? Umm wasn't it Hope that was pregnant with Wyatt's baby, not to mention MARRIED to Wyatt while sneaking around behind Wyatt's back, exchanging spit with Liam? I thought it hilarious that when Hope lost her baby and her final scene with Liam. Liam never asked her to stay or even be with him in the future. 🤣🤣🤣 Seems to me that Liam only wanted her b/c Wyatt wanted her. More of a control issue than actual love.
Hope wow! I can’t with you. You were in Liam’s face this entire time where as Steffy actually gave him space. You and Brooke are at his house trying to push marriage when he was in a relationship with Steffy? I don’t see how you think you’re better than her especially in this situation. You didn’t let him choose
Exactly.
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@karenprince - you're exactly right. And to add to that, Hope told Liam " don't let yourself get pressured into anything".... Uh, like a surprise wedding? Hope is so stupid.... she doesn't even remember that steffy told liam to marry hope in Italy- she didn't get in the way and she didn't know what Bill was doing until after, but poor little hope, always the victim of mean ' ol Steffy. And weren't liam and steffy married while they were in Cabo? Just proves why Steffy wanted to keep them separated .....hope thinks she owns Liam and can drop him every time he's not perfect but when he starts to move on with Steffy, Hope thinks she can snap her fingers and get him back. And she was just so pathetically desperate here with Liam ..
@@DAVegas-yc8xq hypocrisy is Hope's middle name
@@nataliearreola6361 lol. Agreed
To this date Hope and Liam have had 7 weddings, 8 if you want to consider their first engagement and only one has ever been legal. That is a lot of faild attempts. It sure does give weight to what Taylor said about how they just can't seem to get it together. As much as I dislike Brooke she at least married Ridge multiple times. Hope demands to much and she thinks her wedding is more important than her actual marriage. When Liam and hope are together it's all about Hope. Steffy is the complete opposite, she is all about Liam!
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This is why I don't think Hope will be able to forgive Liam..... Even when the baby is Finn's.
Some people still think Hayes is Liam not Finn and Kelly is really Bill daughter @@Charlie-nd9ef
I really think Liam was going to choose Steffy before the Baby news came out. As much as Bill stirs up drama, I think he's right about Steffy being more suited for Liam. Hope reminds me of girls in high school.
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He was and Brooke felt it too. Thats why she sprung this surprise ambush wedding on him
I was the first fan of Lope but Hope is a copy of her mother, Steffy has her mistakes but she has become more mature and seems to be more sensible. Hope is a small selfish child #TeamSteam
That's exactly how I became a steam fan too. I was done with Lope after Hope wanted a do-over wedding after Italy. She's such a child.
Self fish like u
Hope is so disgusting. Because she can't stand the situation, she decides how her mother would. She is no better than her. And wants to persuade Liam that they can get through this together. That's rubbish. Every second sentence of her is a lie.
The human mattress and her mini me got exactly what they deserved in this episode.
Loved it, want to see more of this steffy, Stephainie's name sake attitude ❤
He's telling you he has feelings for steffy and you still want to marry him how stupid
Cause she's a Logan. And for Logans, it's all about winning, not true love. Just like Brooke "won" against Taylor, Hope wanted to "win" against Steffy. Even if that means Liam still has feelings for Steffy
Wow, my idea of Hope really changed here. Where does she get off saying that Steffy is trapping? What kinda person refers to a child that was conceived in love as a trap. Liam handled this way better than me. Had that been me all hell would've broken loose. How are you call a child, Liam's child a trap. Regardless of the circumstances, no child is a mistake or a trap. The timing might be off but its never a mistake. Hope is an awful perspn for viewing Liam and Steffy's baby as a mistake but hey, she is Brooke's daughter so its only natural she would feel that way. I mean that's how Brooke saw Taylor and her children for years. She always saw them as a problem. She sees them as something that kept Ridge from being completely hers. I'm sure that there is a part of Brooke that wishes that Ridge never even married Taylor or had children with her. Hope needs to spare me the BS, talking about how Steffy trapped Liam. If Steffy is trapping Liam then what the hell were you and your mother doing just nos. So let me get this straight so Steffy getting pregnant is a trap but Brooke and Hope springing a surprise elopement on Liam isn't. At least it wasn't Steffy's intention to get pregnant. Brooke on the hand knew exactly what she was doing. Screw Hope and her fake ass vows. YOU are the one who chose not to sign the marriage certificate. YOU did that. You could've been married but instead YOU chose to believe your lying ass brother and Othello. YOU left Liam. What the hell did you thinj was gonna happen, Hope? You thought Liam was gonna sit around and wait forever. You thought Liam was gonna put his life on hold. You thought he was gonna wait for you to come to your senses. No he isn't obligated to do any of those things. When a marriage or relationship ends both parties have to move on and life has moved on. Liam moved on without you. Hope is telling Liam that the baby changes nothing, that they can handle it. That it doesn't have to let it affect their lives. Its interesting that Hope says that. So Hope, are you ready to be a stepmother. Would Hope have accepted that child? I don't think so. She would still view that child as a problem cause in some way or the other, Liam would still connected to Steffy. Also, Hope cannot compare the situation with Amber to the situation with Steffy. First off, Liam and Amber never had sex. They never had any kind of the relationship. Amber was just a goldigging skank looking for a meal ticket. Liam and Steffy, however, were together and very much in love. Hope can't compare the two, they are both completely different situations. Steffy is right. Hope thinks that now that this so called "secret" is out that Liam is supposed to automatically come to her. That's how all these Logan women see everything. When they have been "wronged", they think they have a right to take back what's "theirs". They think all men are supposed to automatically come to them. Bridget did it with Owen when she had Logan. She thought once Logan got here, Owen was gonna leave Jackie. She thought Owen was gonna automatically come to her but that didn't happen and she got highly upset that he rejected her advances. Instead, she sat there and pined after the man for over a year. Also, everyone sat there and patted her on the back and told her it was ok. No one told her to try and move on. They all sat there and encouraged her in her feelings. When Liam didn't come back to Hope immediately after everything came out, she should've taken that as a sign. She should've let this dream of her and Liam being together go. After Liam confrontned Bill, he went home and made love to Steffy. He wasn't even thinking about Hope at all. She should've just left it alone. My god, that Brooke. She is truly a piece of work. Where does she get off saying that Steffy and Liam would have an unhappy marriage? Lemme guess why? Cause you don't think Steffy can make Liam happy. The only woman on planet Earth for Liam is Hope. Nobody else is good enough. Nobody else can make him happy. Only a Logam woman can make a man happy. Hope is telling Liam that he doesn't have to commit himself to Steffy. Hope, anyhow you take it, Liam is going to be committed to Steffy. He is going to be committed to her and their child even if they are not together. Hope really needed to think twice about this. She is really ready for this. She is really ready to share Liam with Steffy and a child. Is she ready to see them bond over their child? Nope, I think not. Hope is accusing Steffy of lying to Liam about the pregnancy. How is Steffy lying? She should be able to reveal her pregnancy whenever she wants. Its her baby. Her pregnancy. Her call. Hope is just mad that Steffy came in and put a stop to her so called "wedding"
Only one thing to add, she called off that wedding before Rick's lie because Liam had been out all night, was hungover and had the neck tattoo and dyed hair and she had another one of tantrums about how this was another wrecked wedding so she wasn't going through with it. Rick's lie just meant that Hope broke up with him yet again after that.
@@amandamandamandsNot only that Hope made her decision long before Rick had Othello lie. She went on this long tirade about Liam being so disrespectful to her. She wanted to be this strong woman and she got rid of Liam. Now that Rick fesses up to what he did everything is supposed to magically go back to the way it was and that can't happen.
@@RealTalk1411 Totally, it is always that her life has been upended by lies and manipulations. She never takes responsibility for her part in it.
I couldn't get over her saying that her mom wouldn't have let her ride a motorcycle when if she was pregnant. I was so WTF when she said that. 1st if you are a grown adult you shouldn't be doing or not doing things because mommy said so. 2nd she can't ride a bike so there is no way of knowing how either of them would react if she could.
@@amandamandamands Liam going out with Steffy the night before the 2nd wedding was not Steffy's fault. Liam was planning to have dinner with Hope that night but she canceled and he decided to go and hang out with Steffy. That was LIAM'S decision. Not Steffy's. Steffy was on her own scene. She was entertaining her friends who came from London and Liam showed up. That was not her fault. I remember that episode very very well. Liam came to the club and found her. Hope was making it out to be like Steffy forced Liam to go partying with her or she told Liam to ditch the dinner with Hope and come to the club. But that's the problem with Hope, she always likes to blame Steffy. Anything that goes wrong in Hope's life is Steffy's fault.
I fully agree with you. Hope had more chances to be with Liam but chose to believe in the manipulations rather than the one she claims to love
Hope is unbelievable..... She and her mother try to strong-arm Liam into a surprise wedding and she has the audacity to accuse Steffy of not letting liam make up his own mind. 😂😂😂😂 she's so desperate to be with liam she can't even face the truth, and now she's trying to manipulate him into marrying her. And of course hope would tell liam if she was pregnant because she knows it would be the cap on the bottle of trapping Liam.
I just can't with Hope. She would have said Steffy's using the pregnancy to influence Liam regardless of when she told him, because she can't stand for Liam to see Steffy in a good way.
Brooke, if you really believed Liam wants Hope only, you would not have arranged that shotgun wedding!
Omg! Hahaha Steffy isn't letting Liam make his own decisions? What was this surprise wedding and pressure from Brooke?
Steffy did let Liam make his own decision Steffy did tell Liam if he still wants to be with Hopeless he can go right a head Steffy said she would be hurt but she will survive and she will not be second to Hopeless. Liam said no we r raising this child together. Go back and see the show again and again.
@@lisagrant5232 I believe they were being sarcastic with this post. Which is why they ended it with the question about Brooke's true intentions.
The day Ricky Boy got caught into Maya's web! Bye Caroline! LOL
LOL Maya aka Myron.
Yes Taylor, she definitely learned everything from her Mother. 😂😂😂
Really Hope!? Your mother was the one conniving for you before Liam made his decision. Forcing a wedding no good. Logans blame everyone never them selves. Smh!
Hope is saying that Steffy never intended for Liam to make his own desicion. Please what do you call the wedding that you tried to get him into? Just as disqusting as Brooke
Who was pushing him into an elopement it wasn't Steffy, so in reality wasn't going to let him make up his mind?
Exactly. Brooke was ordering Liam to put the ring on Hope's finger.
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@@shelaswaucrier3752 Let's be real here Brooke panicked that's why she went and planned this surprise elopement. Liam was leaning more towards Steffy and Brooke knew it. She saw that Hope was going to lose again and she panicked. They thought that when Liam asked Steffy to move out, they had won and that Hope would be moving in. They saw that as a sign that Liam made his decision and that decision was Hope but that didn't happen. Brooke felt like Liam was taking too long with his decision and decided to speed up the process and throw together this shotgun wedding.
@@bluecolor1600 Its the truth. If Brooke was so sure that Liam would choose Hope then why go through all of this to plan a surprise elopement and fly the priest in from Italy. Why not let Liam decide on his own. Brooke lost confidence that Liam would choose Hope hence the reason why she threw together this shotgun wedding.
@@bluecolor1600 Its alright. No worries.
Every single word that came out of Hope's mouth about Steffy was a lie, but if hope had said the same things about herself, it would have been the truth.
Hopeless saying : “She smiles at you and you can’t see the truth...” it’s pretty hypocritical... since her and her mother scheme, lie, manipulate and guilt-trip Liam to this day.... it’s also interesting how fast she changed her tune when she got pregnant!!!
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I don't get hope so when she gets pregnant is wonderful miracle but when steffy does it's a lie shes trying to trap liam
Steffy and Liam were doing it numerous times. But that one time sex that resulted in a pregnancy held more weight to her though.
Hopeless got pregnant by a married man....so much for her morals 🤔
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That's why I don't like the Logans. When a Logan gets pregnant its a beautiful thing but the minute a Forrester gete pregnant its a trap or a mistake. Regardless of how and when a baby was conceived it is not a mistake. The timing might be off but its never a mistake. Hope's behaviour here was ridiculous and it speaks volumes about her as a person. Why would Liam want to be with someone like that? Why would you want to be with someone who views your baby as a trap or a problem or a mistake. I would never want to be with someone like that. Regardless of what Hope thinks that baby was conceived in love. There was love between Liam and Steffy when that baby was created. But you see that's how these Logan women think. They see anything and anybody who is standing in the way of them and their "destiny" as a problem. All of them are that way, Hope, Brooke, Donna, Katie hell even Bridget is that way.
Brooke is Unbelievably obsessed with Hope! It is creepy!
She's trying to make up for the way she was conceived
Great point! Never though of that before. Makes absolute sense.
@robindeas1610 Yes she is. Its like she's living vicariously through her. Brooke wants Hope to be everything that she wasn't. Thats why Hope still in 2023 doesn't know who she is cause she never got to be her own person
Rick manipulated several people just to get Caroline, he finally gets her and he already has eyes for another woman 🤣
He's just like his lil sister Hope and their Smother Brooken.
I remember this storyline was so stupid. When Caroline first came on the show, she was all about charity. She even started her own breast cancer foundation in her aunt's name. She was the sweetest, kindest human being you could find. And now out of nowhere she is too worried about her heels and hair to help people in need? They did a complete 180 on her character just so she would fit into a specific role in this love triangle with Maya. Terrible writing.
he was so in love and it took only one look to maya 🙄
@@tazny3229 They did the same thing with Maya later on. Suddenly she was no longer the sweet and innocent woman from a tough life became an entitled shrew who demeaned and poked fun at everyone under her alongside Ric after he was put in charge of the company. This show has done this repeatedly with multiple characters when they need them to fulfill a certain role in a certain story. It's crappy writing at its worst.
Liam was already engaged to Steffy when Hope chased them to Aspen ,he was also with Steffy when he saw Hope on the beach with Thomas. Why do they blame Steffy for protecting what is already hers. Hope is the one chasing after Liam after she's already thrown him away.
Hope was with Liam first until Steffy and other's came between them
Lol Brooke saying Hope would run away. That’s because Brooke knew her daughter runs when she has a problem
So true!!🤣
Just like Katie. But when Katie does it Brooke uses that as a reason to sleep with Bill. When Hope does it everyone including Steffy are the bad guys and everyone is just supposed to give Liam back to Hope. The hypocrisy is strong in the Logan clan!
And thats what she did the very next episode lol
hope is all talk.. staying steffy keeping secrets. well did you forget you were on drugs and hiding it from liam and also lied about not going to take it anyway
@tina Ah so true. She kept a lot of secrets from Liam.
And yeah, Hope really would have walked in on Steffy and Liam rolling around on the bed to tell him she was pregnant if it had been her? Yeah, right. Steffy's reaction made sense.
When Hope referred to Liam's child as a "golden ticket" she lost major, major points. SMDH
To have a mindset like this is totally Logan behavior. Fast forward when HOpe sleeps with Liam while he is still married to Steffy and she gets pregnant..Not once did Steffy call her baby exactly what it is..a trapbaby! HOpe couldn't wait to get pregnant and trap Liam to her hip. SMH they disgust me!!🤨🤷🏽♀️🤬🤬
@@UrGworlCanCan Look at her now she gets this sour look on her face everytime Kelly's name is mentioned she resents that child because her existence doesn't factor into hopes little fairy tale
@@UrGworlCanCan exactly my words. But this is Logan-Logic.
Hope and her mother are really sad poor excuses of human beings really sad she feels the very same when she loses a child
How can you say Hope is worse than Steffy when it was Steffy that trapped Hope in a Gondola so that she could marry Liam. The truth is Liam will choose Hope over any woman. If Hope is out of the picture, Liam will choose Steffy. That's the truth. Hope is Liam's heart.
listen Liam to all Hopes selfish talk
Hope is acting like Liam didn't have feeling for Steffy but she didn't force him to make love to her they were in a committed relationship
I find it funny that hope is always accusing steffi of being the manipulator when she's so dam in secure she couldn't even let Liam be around his own daughter for Christmas. That's what she got on that stupid helicopter to begin with
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@@brookelynnrodriguez64 for real.👏👏👏👏👏👏
I hate hope. What kind of person goes up to a pregnant woman and say that she’s using the baby as a trap? Steffy if the last person to do that, and like she said , when the child was conceived, Hope wasn’t in the picture. Then starts saying how steffy purposely didn’t take the pill is just sick. Her and her mother both
For being so sure that Liam only loves her, Hope tries desperately to put Steffy down in order to influence him. She really is just a horribly spoiled teenager.
Lol she was in desperation mode.
Hopeless still needs to grow up stop being in denial 🤣🤣🤣 she says shes grown up but still the same lil girl
See that is the problem right there after all these years Hope is still that same whining entitled spineless little girl she always has been. Steffi made huge mistakes But the difference is she has grown and learned from her mistakes
@@crisvanfan Yes. Thank you and Amen.
Yes she is - childish. That's the difference. Steffy is an extraordinary woman and acts like this.
Hopeless is the same damn kid she was when she was SORASED 10 years ago, she never changed she’s like a mini version of her mother, for the record I despise both them two
Steffy should have slapped Brooke. The nerve of Brooke when Hope is a product of an affair between her son-in-law and her daughter Bridget. Hope really needs to humble herself. This episode shows how selfish Hope is! This is why I was never a Hope fan.
The problem with Brooke is she wants all her kids to be Ridge kids when Ridge have kids
Mya has a nice voice...beautiful song!!!
Hopeless listen to yourself your trying to manipulate Lame by telling him that Steffy is like this and like that you're in denial that Lame and Steffy have so much fire and excitement when they're together 😍😍😍
Nancy Tautuaa I agree
Steffy will alwayas be the bigger n better person then hope.
Exactly
Hmmm why she tried to sleep with Oliver while he was with Hope & Lope were together, it was steffy who got in that relationship to keep them apart. Liam said so himself. :P
Certainly, Steffy interfered in the past but Hope also made the choice to reject Liam. She could very well have been married to Liam by signing the marriage certificate after returning from Italy, but she did not. She preferred to believe her brother rather than her so-called love. Hope had multiple opportunities to right the manipulations caused by Steffy, Bill and Rick but she made the choice to walk away. True, Steffy was not innocent in the past, but she gave Liam the choice and many times. No one forced Liam to love Steffy or put the ring on her. She annoys me this Hope to blame others who are certainly not innocent but she made choices. Never, she will question this girl. Brooke, let Hope grow, she gives him everything on a silver platter. Liam and Hope, their story will always be filled with non-communication and no trust.
Hope always made Steffy go bad with Liam. That's what Logans can do. This whole staged wedding was probably a ridiculous farce.
Rick is just like his mother falls in and out of love so fast
Hope is such a child, and liam is the toy
Girlllll... Have you seen the most recent episodes??
Toy like u
My goodness, Liam has been married to Steffy, divorced from Steffy, and shacked up with Steffy (at his request), and has now made a baby with Steffy. Why is it that Hope has determined that Liam is unable to know whether or not Steffy has changed? Hope is a sickening little thing. Were I Steffy, I would tell both Liam and Hope to go jump in the nearest lake because I could raise my kiddo on my own. It would be a lot less stressful.
She does with her second child she walks away from the triangle
Just like Brooke with ridge hope thinks Liam is her destiny
Who was it that was pushing another wedding on him?
It didn't look like Steffy up there with the Priest from Italy, and who was it that had there brother add pressure on Liam, after telling Steffy they would let Liam make up his own mind.
And by the way when you are on your Honeymoon, you don't normally want your husband's ex around.
Hope.. didnt you just manipulate Liam into another wedding 🤣🤣🤣
Lol Hope is hilarious. She broke off her engagement with Liam because she saw Liam and Steffy kissing in the driveway. She ripped up the papers that would have made her marriage in Italy legal because Liam and Steffy were making out on her wedding day, she broke up with Liam cause Liam spent all night partying with Steffy the day before the Wedding at Eric's house (and she thought they kissed). But now that Steffy is pregnant with Liam's child, Hope is all of a sudden so desperate to cling on to Liam 😂😂
Can somebody remind Hope and Brooke that in current episodes
Taylor does kill me haha she does have Brooke hot with talks
Wow. So, in this episode alone, Hope has just called Liam's child a trap and a golden ticket.
Yet she's the sweet and innocent one?
Ha!
Golden Ticket is Beth , Sorry Steffy is Rich Not you Hope
Sorry no she's not inacent
Yet fast forward she came back 3yes later to steal and get pregnant by a married Liam at the time…. Please she is and will always be annoying and boring..
Exactly. Fast forward to 2018 when she got pregnant, she used that as her "golden ticket" to end Steffy and Liam's relationship
OMG every time i listen and see hope she reminds of the kind of people who believe in Santa clause and the easter bunny. a Suprise elopement by her mother just as she said to give him space She TALKS ABOUT TUERE LOVE AND DESTINY BUT how does she not see Liams hesitation.
Stop blaming Steffy you are the one who left Liam.
I love when they let Taylor bash Brooke Hoegan 😂😂😂😂
Steffy was spot on. Liam and Steffy told her the truth about the club and she didnt believe them. She believed her brother's lie. So Liam moved on and reconnected with Steffy. They were together for months and were living together. I mean she knew how Steffy felt about Liam and she knew Liam still had feelings for Steffy so what did Hope expect? But now that Rick finally admitted the truth, she thinks that everything is suppose to go back to how it was? Basically Steffy and Liam's relationship and feelings dont matter. Hope wants him again and everybody should just accept it. Steffy haters get on Steffy for being spoiled and entitled but Hope is exactly the same way. She's just a flowery version of Steffy. Brooke raised Hope to believe that she can get whatever she wants in life and the second her reality doesn't match the fairytale in her head, she pouts, freaks out and runs away
Maya has such a beautiful voice!
If she had said something before Hope would say Steffy is influencing Liam. When she does it after she says Steffy is influencing him again. Steffy was in a lose-lose situation in which she did the right thing. If liam wanted her he would pick her and then she would've told him without his decission being brought on by the fact that a child is involved. Just say it hope you're plain insecure that you have to make up excuses to change liam's train of thought🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️ Even your own mother kept contridicting herself when she said if Steffy was sure liam was going to pick her why didn't she tell liam earlier but yet here she (brooke) is forcing Liam to marry hope if she feels he would've picked Hope
After many months of being sweet, caring, loving and always striving to do the right thing, they suddenly decided to assassinate the character of Caroline! Yes she was prissy but she was sweet and a warrior for the illness that killed her aunt. Today, they started transforming her into a shallow petty woman. This sets the stage for Maya to enter the picture! It was so out of character for her to be so against helping at Daisies. I am putting blame where it belongs! Hope/Liam/Steffy story can kick rocks! Sick of that merry-go-round. I am watching this for the second time in 2023.
what makes you think you were the one HOPELESS
Because She Feels Entitled
Steffy did hope a favor - had she held the baby news and liam married hope, hope would have lost her mind trying to pretend to be supportive through the pregnancy - hope is not built for that type of long game (her mom is she is not) looking at current episodes she is still not sophisticated enough to play the long game ... the storyline would have been more engaging if hope was more like her mom .... but I see how they were trying to switch rolls
"Father Montana says in his eyes, we are still married"
Lol well if that's the case Hope, Liam spent the majority of your "marriage" IN A RELATIONSHIP WITH STEFFY 😂
Mia sings beautiful! Those less fortunate are equally talented as the middle class and the upper class they just need someone with a heart to help them.
The one thing hologan fans don't realize that Liam love both women but they think Liam in love with hopeless but Liam love Liam
Hopeless really wanted Liam to choose her, but he didn't say he really wanted her, not even once.
Exactly. She tried to do everything in her power to get Liam to turn on Steffy and choose her once and for all and when he didn't, she couldn't believe it
Hope you do not have no right to keep Liam form his baby
Hope needs to stop saying trap in the cage, Steffy didn't push the stop button...someone else did, so she needs to grow up and chuck up and move on...she's always listening to other people's opinions when they lie and when the truth comes out...then she wants Liam back, like she lost her dog...too funny!!!
She was trapped at Steffy's instigation!
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Oh, well!!!
I miss Taylor
Hope is so damn whiny still the same steffy has actually changed Liam is suppose to be with steffy hope just can’t accept that
Wait… Hope said she would always tell him everything , he would never have to wonder and she wouldn’t lie 😂 hmmm 2023 Thomas
I like how Hope said that Steffy was Guiding Him. Lol what the Hell do you think you and your Mom were doing
I think when caroline fell from her uncle’s balcony it changed her into a snob lol
I dont know what is going on in Hopes head but she still never gets it. This baby wasnt planned and steffy didnt trapped liam. its as always, Hope blames steffy and Taylor for her problems. You know what Hope, take responsibility for your own actions. its obvious Hope is manipulating Liam to chose her over the baby. I mean my God hope, let Liam make his decision
Has no one ever called out Hope on HER emotional manipulations?
Us fans do all the time lol. And now in 2023, she's doing it again to Thomas. The guy is desperately in love with her and shes just using him for sex and to stroke her ego
How Did She Know How To Play It Hope When Your Mother Planned An Ambushed Wedding
Golddigger Maya enters the picture acting all sweet and innocent ,ole Caroline didn't know what hit her
LOL you mean Myron 😛
Brooke's wisdom from then till now. She predicted it 6 years later....😂
Divorce!!!!
Says the girl that wants to plan when she sleeps with her man. Oh brother 🙄 How Hope is so naive, self absorbed and frankly she lacks self awareness it is truly amazing. That's when Liam should have pointed out that is where Hope is selfish and Steffy is selfless!
I agree Liam was going back to Steffy and hope and her mother didn't let Liam make up his own mind them is the ones who is wrong not Steffy hope is just like her mother
@@keishasimmons9130 You watch the new episodes?
If Hopeless would have signed the papers they would have been married. Yet again believe what someone else says she ripped the papers up. For one that is the past u live for the future. Hopeless will never grow up she is a mommies girl instead of a daddies girl is much stronger they learn quicker. Hopeless is weak as woman listening two them both Steffy has grown alot.
I 4got how stuck up Caroline was. They're doing this now except Steffy has a little girl named Kelly Spencer.
Because Hope Traped Liam with Beth
he was steffys antyway
Love the old epos ides the best not the new ones.
Liam needs to be a man and choose Steffy
Hope is just as manipulative as her mommy brook
@@michellejones6851 I absolutely agree love
liam was never a man he is a waffle and in love with himself
liam was never a man he chooses personne the other make the decision very poor
Liam a man? 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Hope you and Liam are not married ended move on hope let staffy and Liam was there baby
I hate how they turned Caroline into some vapid, self involved hag when they introduced Maya to Rick. And they made Rick look like a selfless genuine guy. *Hysterical laughter* Ridiculous.
And Hope is so annoying. Is she even listening? "I didn't feel for Amber what I feel for Steffy." CLEARLY Liam loves her too. Hope always likes to act like he doesn't. And accusing Steffy of "conveniently" getting pregnant? Steffy is right. When she got pregnant, Hope wasn't apart of the equation. Steffy didn't know about the lie. Liam knew he had told the truth. Hope has no one to blame but Bill and herself for losing Liam. Bill did manipulate things but Hope ALLOWED herself to be manipulated.
This is definitely the episode where they changed Caroline’s character for Myron.
Lol the way Hope talks about Steffy. Like shes some evil witch that has Liam under a spell. Hate to break it to ya Hope but Steffy didnt make Liam fall in love with her. He did that all on his own
Hope is a big baby she
so do we think that Liam was going to chose Steffy?
Yes...Wholeheartedly! 😎👍🏼
Yup
Yes of course. Liam just don't like hurting people's feelings. That his biggest problem. He's a people pleaser. He never wants to be the bad guy by making a decisive decision. And in the end that way of thinking hurts people anyway
And this episode right here reminded me why I started to dislike Hope.
L Morgan I never liked Hope, she just like her nasty ass mama
All the ladys that play on here should be a shame for what they do like hope and Brooke l can not stand them at all you need to get real and hope needs to stop taking pills
By hope’s reasoning Steffy and Liam are still married!
Hope you had your wedding in Italy and soon that you come home all the people involved with you relationship and your bathers was involved