SDI E Click - Gen3 Raptor Deep Dive & Testing
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- Опубліковано 13 тра 2023
- We finally got to put the Gen3 Raptor with the SDi E-Click system to the extreme test in Johnson Valley and the kit did not disappoint. AMAZING performance that blew us away.
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I’ve always bashed on the E-live systems for all shocks. This video has made me come out of the old man shell. Keep up the videos you’re very good on camera. I’ll be following along as you post more.
I was the same way man. My first experience with live valves on a 2020 Raptor was not great. Ford left a lot of capability on the table in order to make the truck ride better on pavement. SDI Eclick is what turn my view around on Live valves. Their algorithm and approach really tapped into what live valves can do.
Great video Helio, I’m blown away. SDI keep knocking it out of the park.
Thanks man. You should have been out there with us man.
Awesome video. You’re channel is getting better and better. Just upgraded my Raptor from Gen 2 to Gen 3. Loving this thing. Dramatic difference in throttle response and suspension on 37s. ❤
Thanks man. gen3 suspension makes is a beast offroad from what’s we’ve seen so far.
Great vid man! Installing on mine now
Thanks man. Can’t wait to see what they do with the dual live valve shocks
Love your videos keep them coming.
Thanks 🙏🙏
I second this
Thanks again for a great video 🫡
Thanks
I can't wait to get this system for my truck
Great Video lost of great info.👍🏻
Thanks 🙏
Great video, damn impressive.
Thanks 🙏
Great content
Thanks
Love the mid travel on my Gen2, but would strongly consider SDI for a Gen3. This stock suspension is already great, especially the rear. Guess with the SDI Kit it’s another level. Great RAPTOR content as always!
Thanks man. And yeah the SDI kit uses the full speed of the shocks and takes the truck to another level. Ford is very conservative with their algorithm.
You’re going to love the Gen 3. Traded mine this week and it’s a different animal. Better throttle response and floats over obstacles.
👍🏻yah buddy👍🏻
Looks like the outskirts of the Hammertown Dry Lakebed (Soggy Lake). Great vid bro!
This is Johnson Valley area near hammertown but not soggy. Soggy is a few miles west of where we were.
Appreciate all you videos, been learning a lot. Would say this performs close to mid travel/rear bypass setup?
And do you think will see more people leaning towards fox rather than king, icon, or ads shox
With the SDI tune on the shocks, it performs very close to mid travel. Mid travel has the advantage or extra shocks, stroke and all that. But without a tune mid travel leaves a lot to be desired and a tune is expensive. The SDi Eclick setup gives you may more capability for the price.
As for shocks, yeah I would say so. King has been working on a live valve setup but has not really made progress in a few years. Icon released their kits but I don’t know anyone that runs them or has some real world experience with them.
There will always be a place for conventional shocks. This is more geared towards the occasional off-roader that wants a smooth daily ride with a beast offroad
H re watched the video looking forward to getting the eclick on the truck
It’s impressive what the stock suspension can do with Eclick.
Yeaaaaaaaaah Budddddy!
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@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad Hey helio i was wondering would the live valve shocks work on a ford Raptor without them being connected? I'm trying to get the live valve shocks first and have them ready for the future when I will get the Eclick system
They would work, but I would not recommend it.
When the live valves are disconnected they are at the stiffest setting. So the truck will ride very stiff because the valves will be at their most restrictive setting. On the road it will be a rough ride and offroad will be even worse.
Make sure you have something ready to control the life valves before you install them. Otherwise your blue Fox shocks are so much better while you wait
@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad thank you, i will hold on to my shocks for now then, thank you 👍🏽
Christian gotta get behind the wheel and give it hell!
🤣🤣 yeah he does
Amazing job editing Helio! it definitely showcases the capabilities of the system extremely well 🤘🏻
Do you know if a gen 1 can be converted to have this system?
Yes it can and they have the kits for the Gen1 ready to go. They can even provide the solenoids since most take off live valves don’t have the solenoids. BUT you must modify the shock bucket to support the proper length live valves. So look into the Camburg or KHC shock bucket upgrade and I recommend working with a shop to weld them on.
@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad damn im super tempted to do it to mine lol but i would love to see one in action before committing to it
I know a few guys have done it. But none local that would come out to film. Need to find someone that has done it
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I am looking to purchase the Hyperco front and rear springs for my gen3, Do you know if Hyperco soften up the springs?
I don’t. When we filmed the springs were a little stiffer than we liked. I dont know if they have changed the spring rate since
@KeepItDirtyOffroad I just picked up a 24’ base Raptor and I’m really interested in putting this system on my truck. Do you still recommend adding a rear bump system like the RPG kit or Camburg kit? I was also looking at the Camburg front lower control arms with the slapper bumps. Do you think any of that is needed or is the eclick system with top hats and revalve more than enough? I daily my truck but also like to push hard off-road. Been following you for years man and used your advice to build my 2018! You didn’t lead me wrong!
So Eclick is not available yet for the dual live valve trucks. Not sure if it will be available as early reports say it’s much improved over the previous system so we will see.
But if you going to offroad, bump stops are a must and if you need a little extra height up from the SDi top hat is the best option.
@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad the 2024 base model Raptors with the 35s still have the single valve live valve shocks. It’s pretty damn smooth but I haven’t done any hard high speed off-road yet (truck only has 600 miles on it). I figured being the single valve there was still room for improvement but I’ll shoot an email to the guys at SDI and see what they say. I had a hard time stomaching the near 12 grand up charge for the 37pp that would have stepped up to the dual live valves. And honestly I couldn’t see any reviews really diving into if the dual valves were really that big of an improvement. But right now my plan is to add bumps to the rear and possibly the camburg slapper kit for the front. SDI top hat and possibly eclick if they recommend it and then sizing up to 37s once I’ve throughly trashed the stock KO2s.
At ok. My bad man. Yeah SDI should be able to support the single live valve trucks and definitely improve them.
Do you have a link to the costs/overview of this setup?
Link is in the description to the 2 pages SDI has on the Eclick setups
i bought ford raptor 2022 35 inc do thnk the suspension system is good enough and no difference between 35 and 37 inc
Yeah. Big suspension change won’t come till the 2024 model
WHY!?!?!? Dammit, there goes another wad! 😂
🤣🤣 sorry man 🤷♂️
Do you lose the adaptive headlights, Or have they worked around that?
Watch the video again man. Not only do you keep them, you have full control over their angle. We show a demo on how they are controlled.
Great info KID.... do u have a SDI video for/from yur blue Gen 2??.... & I'm glad u tested @ Johnson Valley... I had watched yur Baja video a couple weeks ago, then yesterday i saw an article that there was a shooting down there.... 19 shot & 10 dead!!!.. so sad!!!😥
I have a few videos of the SDI Eclick on the gen2. A few of them actually comparing it to stock, trucks with race shocks and even to a stock Gen3. System is impressive.
And yeah man. What happened in Mexico over the weekend was awful. It was cartel on cartel, but the group was pretty big and I’m sure had some innocent bystanders. But it shows how scary Mexico can be. It’s a different way of life down there.
@KeepItDirtyOffRoad ....Ok, thanks Helio, I'll look those up for my 2018.... Was the shooting anywhere near or on the course you took just a while ago??... that was an awesome video!!1!👊🏼.... Thanks again for your hard work & all the time & effort you put into all this bro!... it's so helpful & informative!!...... ... Be well & God bless u & the fam!🙏🏼🇺🇸
No, this was near Ensenada. An area considered to be safe and friendly to off-roaders and Americans. Way more friendly than rocky point. But when cartel is involved, it don’t matter anymore and they are getting more and more aggressive
@KeepItDirtyOffRoad .... Ok, good... Are I confident enuff to still go back & do that run again??... & do u know how much the SDI system wud run for my 2018??... I've done ZERO to the suspension.
Me personally, I’m avoiding Mexico off-roading. Im originally from Mexico and the border towns scare me TBH.
As for cost I think the 2018 kit is like $2500. Check the SDI website for pricing though. They have the gen2 kits on there and look into their shock top hat replacements as well to get the nose up
You mention this upgrade is better cost wise instead of getting the FRS shocks. But what if cost isn’t an issue and using FRS with eClik on the GEN3, are they tuned for this and is a revalve still needed like it is on the GEN2?
If cost is not an issue, Eclick with stock live vale shocks will still outperform FRS shocks. Even live valve FRS shocks.
Check out our SDI playlist for a comparison we did with Eclick and FRS shocks. Stock Eclick outperformed FRS shocks. SDI has a shock dyno and when they placed them on the dyno they found that the 1 way check valve on the FRS recirculating system that fox uses is the limiting factory. So the shocks perform slower.
Now, you could make the argument that a properly tuned FRS shock can outperform Eclick controlled live valves. And there is some truth in that. BUT!! Vehicle specific shock tune is expensive. Starts at $1500 and can be as high as $6000 depending on how many times the shocks are removed and revalved. And even then, they will only be good for what they were tuned for, typically offroad performance. So on road driving suffers.
So overall Eclick with give you the best of both. Smooth ride on pavement, extremely capable offroad. No other setup will give you such performance for the cost.
If you do it, I highly recommend sending you shocks to SDI to be revalved to get the most performance
@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad think you misunderstood my question. I am asking if having FRS Live AND e-clik on a GEN3 still better than stock and e-clik? Stock might perform better but FRS should be better if paired with e-clik because of the reservoirs that will help with shock fade. I have e-clik with FRS on my GEN2 and yes I have them SDI revalved because without it, they don’t work very well.
I am seeing folks removing their FRS from their GEN2 and getting a GEN3 and using their FRS on them instead. So for someone who wants to reuse them and get the best possible performance, having SDI revalved FRS and e-clik should be the best possible setup. But has SDI tuned the FRS with the GEN3 yet?
No I understood and the answer is the same. Check the playlist. We saw stock live with Eclick out performed the FRS live valves with Eclick.
Front will perform better. The extra oil helps and it’s not as restricted.
But for the rear shocks, stock live valves will outperform FRS lIve valves with Eclick because of that check valve in them. It’s too restrictive and it severely slows down the shocks. So at that point the fade and extra oil don’t matter.
Check out the videos man. Your answer is there with side by side footage
More info on the sway links please.
It’s a pretty cool solution. Hoping they will let me release that video soon. They are still developing the solution and it’s super cool
Hey Julio, been watching your vids for a couple years since I bought my gen 2. I am debating on going to a gen 3 or retrofit live valve to my 2018 and some other mods.
Which route would you go? I will be running mostly nevada and occasionally a baja run.
Depends on what’s your goal is and budget. gen2 raptor is still very capable. And with Eclick it will perform better than a stock Gen3. So all I’m your at a much lower cost.
gen3 with Eclick will outperform a Gen2 with Eclick. But now you have a 90k truck plus markups, plus Eclick. Much biggest price point.
@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad
eClick negates the Gen2’s rear leaf springs & 1” less suspension travel front & rear compared to a Gen3?
Miracle mod! LOL
Have you not seen the video where we showed a gen2 with Eclick running flatter than a gen3 stock? I suggest you go check that video out. Footage speaks for itself.
A lot of people get caught up with travel numbers. More travel is not always better if the tuning of the shock is not there to match. Stock Gen3s are more stable than gen2 but the tune on the shocks is still conservative and they buck hard on whoops. The stock systems algorithm does not respond fast enough because it has a street bias. Eclick corrects it and takes the truck up to 11
@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad
I have seen the videos and in person multiple times.
One can’t negate the effects of a stock leaf sprung truck vs one with a 5 link rear. It’s a mechanical disadvantage that shock turning alone can’t overcome.
(Also, more travel(up travel in the 35 Raptor) is always “more good” 😊)
That’s true sure. But a properly tuned leaf truck can outperform an untuned linked truck. And that’s the difference here. The gen3 stock is tuned with a street bias and the offroad suffers a little bit. I’ve heard early reports that the 24s with dual live valve now have a very aggressive offroad tune. So hopefully they finally let us tap into its full performance from the factory.
Were you guys aired down?
Yes but not too low. There is a lot of hard packed dirt out here so our pressure was in the 25-28 range
Is this a 37 package truck or a 35 truck with 37s?
This is a 35 truck with aftermarket 37s.
I really want this… especially for the rear load settings but damn I wish it was more integrated with the OEM system. Using R mode to save and change things is too convenient
You still keep all your drive modes. SDi just takes over the shocks, that’s it. Everything else that makes the Gen2 and Gen3 great remains
@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad so when I adjust the modes on my stock system will it make the adjust to the EClik system?
No, but they to change how the Eclick reacts.
The system takes into account your throttle inputs, braking, and a ton of other metrics from the truck to decide how to react. You actually don’t want the truck to take over the shocks because it’s too slow to react and the algorithm causes the truck to get off balance or buck hard. You want the Eclick to control the shocks separately to get the most out of them.
Street mode will get you the best performance on the road regardless of the truck mode. Trails is best for the slow stuff, and then finally sand mode it best for high speed off-roading.
You just pick the drive mode you want for throttle response and abs to respond, you steering mode, exhaust mode, and then select the mode on the Eclick.
@@mflee1992 E-click is a touch screen press a knob turn and a touchscreen press to change modes. It’s super quick. I think having the shocks independently switched from the drive modes is absolutely the way to go. This way the shocks are running the setting you want regardless of which drive mode you are in.
For 90 percent of my driving including mild off road, I generally find myself leaving it in sport mode. The system adjusts shock stiffness based on pitch and roll, acceleration and braking. It does all this while you just focus on driving. When you want to push it harder off road, Baja mode increases the dampening as your speed increases greatly improving off road capability. Because the system adjusts each shock independently, the system is able to keep the truck much flatter even with off camber bumps. The cost of the system
The cost to performance ratio blows away any other possible suspension modifications.
SDI is a cool concept, especially with their Carli partnership. However I still believe this only benifits the live valve trucks. The early trucks and other platforms will still benefit from the largest properly tuned shocks you can afford or fit.
The SDI system is pricey to add into existing shocks aswell, almost the cost of upping to the next sized bypass.
Not really man. The gen2 raptor we showed early on was a 2018 that got some takeoff live valves and still outperformed everything we threw at it. Including a truck with FRS shocks. And even with the take off shock cost included, it was cheaper than a set of FRS shocks. You can even add it to a Gen1 with the shock bucket mod and take offs for less than a set of FRS shocks