Wrongly timed Beaverton light catches many drivers
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- Опубліковано 19 чер 2024
- If you drive westbound on Hall Boulevard in Beaverton today, you’ll come across a yellow light at Scholls Ferry Road that lasts 4.5 seconds - but it used to be only 4 seconds. That half second made it so drivers didn’t have nearly as much time to stop or get through the intersection without being ticketed for running the red light.
3,000 drivers times $260 is $780,000. that's a lot of motivation to keep their mouth shut.
That fine is way too high for a red light camera system. Those shouldn't be any more than $75.
They were looking for that raise in pay.
They shouldn't exist, they catch cars, not drivers
- 555,000 If They'd Charge $75 From The Get Go! Something Tells Me This Will Probably Be A Norm In The Future Simply Just To Milk Drivers For Easy $$$ ....
Here in California, Red light tickets can be 240 to 600 bucks.
They were making wayyyyyy to much money to correct it
Too* to changes the meaning
that's the point cities do that to make money
No, they said in the light was correct. This has nothing to do with money. All they continued to say in the video is "should, should, should". Never once did this news agency say the light was unlawful. This is how they get you. News agencies mince words to build up something that isn't even there.
Legislation fails to independently represent truth or that which is "right." One needn't search any further than the ambivalent, unreliable record of the United States Supreme Court to evidence this statement: Korematsu v. United States; Plessy v. Ferguson; Hepburn v. Griswold; Knox v. Lee; Pollock v. Farmers' Loan & Trust Co.; Dred Scott v. Sandford. Second, if "this [were to have] nothing to do with money," then the citations would be issued devoid of monetary penalty. By nature of the citation, the practice has at least something to do with money. Third, it is true that all media outlets engage in editorialization in order to stimulate interest and public fervor; however, this story's intrigue stems from the mathematical findings which serve to illustrate the inconsistencies between the city's traffic lights. The timing of these lights serves the important role of setting drivers' expectations and, thereby, the nature of their interactions with those traffic lights and their fellow drivers. The modern traffic light was never intended to precisely monitor every driver; indeed, the contraption has always served to approximately facilitate the flow of traffic. Indeed, the traffic light at this particular intersection has evincibly failed to satisfy that standard, and the existence of a red light camera has shifted an otherwise-relatively-ambiguous practice to one requiring absolute precision with a sizable penalty for a transgression measured in mere tenths of a second that the City of Beaverton could reasonably afford to extend to the public. In fact, the only cost to the City here takes the form of that aforementioned monetary sum, as those diminutive tenths of a second could spare every driver both the confusion and the attending monetary loss, incidentally padding the margin of safety by adding to the interval of time which separates segments of that traffic light cycle; therefore, in total, the matter clearly has a great deal to do with money after all, as the benefits would otherwise heavily outweigh the anticipated losses accompanying the inevitable adjustment.
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Please fix the comment.
If beaverton did nothing wrong then why did they change the timing on the light from 4.0 to 4.5 seconds
probably to stop the guy from showing up at the meetings..
Yes, but they did the right thing for the wrong reasons.
That's guilt
Actually, making remedial changes to avoid negligence is by definition not evidence of negligence. I know it sounds kind of silly but the idea is they don't want to discourage people from making things safer. If it is determined that the timing was a result of negligence, the decision to fix it is not something that could be held against the city
time to visit the mayors house at 4am in the dark
When you address a panel with facts they dont want to hear ...can you wrap it up.. very ignorant.
it's a public statement. it's common to be given 5 minutes per person whether you have mind blowing facts to share or are completely nonsensical. 5 minutes per person. It's not a 'cold reception' it's standard practice. for everyone.
@@PublicHealthAdvocate but .. you can hear it in the guys voice.. they are not interested in what he has to say.
Uhh, a difference of 0.5 seconds is almost 20% of that 3-second range. That is not insignificant. If the 4 was acceptable they wouldn't have changed it.
The formula from the Oregon Department of Transportation says 4.4 seconds. That is the fact he presented to the court. An extra 0.5 seconds gives you an extra 30 feet of stopping distance at 40 mph. The shorter the light is, the larger the dilemma zone is that they mentioned in the video, where you physically cannot stop in time. The lights should be set to the proper amount of time, not rounded down to the nearest second.
You don't struggle with that zone cause you live in an area that respects normal red lights timing.
The state fined that guy $500 for criticizing red light cameras and wasn't traffic engineer
That state fined hmi because, not and.
@@Mark-kt5mh hmm not sure what your trying to say. I think your trying to point out a grammar mistake in my post but that's not what is written, and the original post has not been edited so a little confused?? My second inkling was it was an intoxicated reply if so party on no worries.
I won't point out a spelling mistake in your reply since its more than likely a typo. Typically if posting a response for the sole reason to correct someone's grammar (which by the way is super annoying) you might want to ensure said reply is free from at the very least obvious grammatical and spelling errors. Especially when the reply is so short.
I now get the jist of what your trying to say, and yes I'm missing a because and a he. The proper correction would be "because he wasn't a traffic engineer" the beginning is quite rough too. So I will concur and make a public declaration. Yes my original post is littered with grammatical fuckery which has permeated the entire sentence structure. Although it is free from spelling errors, the composition is just one big cluster fuck. In retrospect it seems that I was guilty of being an intoxicated You Tube comment author. As I look a little closer this definitely does in deed seem to be the case. With the primary and most damning piece of evidence being this video. What the fuck was I doing watching a recorded local news cast expose' about the yellow lights in some town that were improperly timed by entire tenths of a second. I can admittedly watch some weird and geeky kind of shit, like space and science videos some anime and some other strange documentaries. Can't explain this one though, and its just now hitting me. Not only did I watch this I actually commented on it, and apparently its seems my reply was referencing some untold information that's not available in this video about yellow light man?!?! WTF so it seems this isn't my first yellow light man video as apparently now a contributing member of #yellowlightsmatter movement secretly when I'm high or sleep walking hmmm this is a little disturbing. I gotta get back to my safe space of cop brutality videos, Dragon ball theory, center right leaning political webcasts, a few animal videos, space documentaries, cartel snuff recordings and vintage porno. Thanks for saving me from the dark side of UA-cam Mark Shamy!!!
He is saying they fined him because of the later fact that he wasnt a traffic engineer. It had nothing to do with criticizing the traffic lights persay.
But they retaliated cause he questioned their supreme authority to sort of say. You dont have to be a traffic engineer to publicly observe and report something.
Even if he wasn't like you said you don't have to be an engineer to criticize the lights, so how did they fine him, what law or municipal code did he break? I get why they did it to reaffirm they got the biggest swing dick in the room. Definitely the people who are on those city counsels of an middle to upper middle class types of mid sized suburban towns/city are probably the most power drunk narcissists in the entire country. But don't get how they could fine him for complaining at an open public meeting? My guess is, you can hear him saying "I'm here in front of you for the 8th time" is they likely passed some type of city ordinance solely for the reason to fuck with him, otherwise they would have levied it against him after about his 3rd time raising the issue at a meeting. That is so in line with what those types suburban city counsel members would do to, they think they're behind say only the pope, president, and governor the most important crucial civic official official of civilized society. They're as bad if not worse than HOA board members in Senior only FL communities.
They got a ticket for running a red light, not for half of a second.
Actually they did get a ticket for running a yellow light that changed faster than they could react, under the expectation that all of the lights were uniform. Its like getting a speeding ticket when the sign is obstructed by poorly maintained bushes, or is on the opposite side of a tight corner.
no, there is a formula dictating how many seconds and fractions of a second yellow needs to last.. this intersection should have a 4.4 second yellow light..they had reduced it to 4.1 then 4.0 seconds. and 0.4 seconds is alot when traveling 40mph. you can easily clear that intersection without needing to speed up.
the formula takes into account speed limit, size of intersection, the dilemma zone, angle/pitch of the approach/departure. and it is federally mandated
meehhhe Of You I was responding to the city counsel members response. But even still, I'm not sure what you're disagreeing with.
oh, misunderstood ya then. it wasnt clear in your initial comment who your comment was pointed towards. i was thinking you were deciding who was right or wrong in this case.
You need to STOP at the yellow signal unless you are not able to stop safely. So if you run a yellow light and it turns red while you are in the intersection they are right to ticket you because that 4 seconds should have been enough for you to pass the intersection (if you were driving on high speed and the lamp just turned from green to yellow) in time or to stop.
Yes Tiesto... there are a few problems with your statement. 1. 4 seconds was not enough time for a driver to stop at that light (while in the yellow zone referred to in this video) without completely slamming on their brakes and possibly causing an accident. 2. In multiple states you may “clear the intersection.” This means that a driver is allowed to be in the intersection when the light turns red. They may not enter it after the light turns red. (This may apply to most states or all, however I wouldn’t know. I only know the law in a few of the states that I regularly drive in.)
3:21, superbitch alert. Totally wrong logic. A way to show she is wrong would be to use the example "what if the yellow light was changed from 4 seconds to 1 second, would your statement that drivers got a ticket for running a red light still be true and would it be fair"? Now you've got her over a barrel cuz if she said yes it is fair, then clearly you are showing she is whacked in the head. If she says it is NOT fair, then all you have to say is "well then how many seconds or fractions of a second can you shave off the fair time before it comes unfair"? Now you have showed her logic is flawed cuz if shaving of the time is fair and legal, why then would they set it at 4.5 seconds in the first place and then drop it down to something shorter other than to try to "trap" drivers and take their money? That could be considered a type of "ticket entrapment".
Like that superbitch would listen to someone like me, not even in her county. Her logic is flawed though.
The best way to win an argument with her is to vote her ass out.
@@patmcbride9853 or rewire a sparkplug and sparkplug cable to go inside her gas tank just kidding I probably put my self on a FBI watchlist oh well /:
That lady acts like she's never grazed the end of a yellow light. I'm sure being a city councilor is a stressful job and more of times when she goes home, she'd be reluctant to hit the gas in a dilemma zone. I'm also sure her government status license plate protects her from the ticket issuers.
I live in Ohio and want to slap the bitch for being so ignorant.
lawyers can convince you the sky is purple...
Are you implying that it isn't?
+Extremeking well obvious this idiot thinks the sky isn't purple
geez...some people. I bet they think the flat is earth.
The sky is blue in a clear day. Only a little purple is shown right after the sun has set then turns black or dark blue
+drink15 I hope you know I'm joking. Some people...
Here in Peru we have Timers on the Lights. So you know when to stop and when you go. instead of seeing a green light and automatically changing to yellow. Here you see a time dropping down and know how much time you have to make it. or not
I wonder why my country doesn't employ that. It would definitely save a lot of frustration and outrage.
They start emplementing that system here in the Netherlands. Not all new traffic lights have it, but some very new, busy intersections have timers on the traffic lights for cars, pedestrians and bicycles. It really helps if you ask me
On a trip to Québec Canada, a good distance away from the light they have a billboard with flashing lights to say the light is red and to stop. The neat thing is that it will start flashing when it is green to warn the yellow light is coming and to start slowing down in preparation. It is very accurate too, the guy who passed the sign buy just before it started flashing had time to pass through, but the car behind right when it started flashing would reach the intersection at that awkward time to get them to start slowing down to avoid that mess.
was that installed in miraflores?
Here in Los Angeles we have that, it is shown on the ped crossing sign. It is not ubiquitous yet, and not totally uniform in its implementation, but it is really a great idea.
The only red light ticket I have ever had was in Beaverton 20 some years ago. Went to court and the judge said to me here in Beaverton yellow means stop!
Tell that judge to get bent!
According to the "official" Federal DMV standards and definitions on traffic lights and traffic signals:
Yellow is a cautionary color, and is used in traffic signs and traffic lights to indicate "caution". (NOT stop)
"Steady yellow lights 'signal' that the light will turn red soon. So, you must either come to a safe stop before the crosswalk, or, if you can't stop safely, proceed with caution through the intersection before the light turns red."
That judge is officially a dumbass and should have be disbarred, until such time he can learn to read basic English, and has the brain capacity to understand simple English terms like "caution".
A municipal, city, county, or state does NOT have the authority to supersede the authority of Federal laws/statutes, particularly in the case regarding public roads and traffic regulation, as they are funded (in part) with Federal funds, and therefore are subject to Federal requirements.
@@ericmcquisten i kinda agree with you but the US Constitution says the states rule themselves.
Well, that earns you an instant appeal.
Nice one... and you still have the original Scotch-Irish spelling :)
Traffic lights should be used to protect public safety, not to generate surplus revenue for crooked hacks!
lol
We have the same issue in Akron, PA our main street light is 3.2 seconds and they sit there and hand out tickets at the end of each month. People from out of town run right through the red because they don't think the yellow is so short. Plus once the one turns red, the other turns green right away! it's so dangerous and it's all just to make money.
well in central texas the red light camera scam is practically dead.
i sat thru 2 cycles once at midnight cause the green and yellow were not long enough to remove my foot from the brake.
what a joke.
They need to make it dangerous so they can argue that tickets are there for safety not revenue.
Where I live, the red light camera has a 2 sec delay AFTER the light turns red. They are looking for blatant red light runners. Those intersections also have a 2 sec all red interval to accommodate drivers caught in the dilemma zone. Florida has a "permissive yellow" rule. That is to say that if you enter the intersection on the yellow, you're legal even if the light turns red. Some states have a restrictive yellow where you are in violation at the moment the light turns red if any part of your car is in the intersection. Also, there are two definitions of the intersection boarder (near side stop bar to far sIde stop bar or near side curb line to far side curb line). Once you pass the point where you cannot stop, the traffic signal is no longer an issue - you must pay attention to other traffic. You can't use tunnel vision on the signal to see if has changed and still maintain safe operation of the vehicle.
It has also been shown than red light cameras INCREASE the probability of rear end collisions.
And I must add that the formula shown at 2:01 is wrong. V=velocity in MPH. That means that V would have to equal 195 MPH to get 4 secs of yellow time. The 2Gg would = 0 for level grade approaches to he intersection. This guy isn't practicing engineering - he's using high school algebra to show the error in the signal timing.
from what i read about yellow lights, any state that doesn't allow "permissive" yellow lights is in direct violation of USDOT.. my state it varies county to county how they try to handle it.. my county they are very permissive, right around highway area, they allow you around extra second to decide. but if its snowing out, they disable red light camera and just use video cameras instead to determine who is in violation..because that area can get very slick quickly.
but you go over 1 country, they have only 1 red light camera, the road enter town to wide, long straight road you can see everything, so people naturally speed... but they have a less than zero tolerance policy they sometimes start firing camera off early! not even red some of the times.. lucky the 2 times i gotten nailed i successfully appealed thanks ot my legal consultant friend helping me out.. that little town is almost bankrupt too, i say most of there money comes from "revenue enforcement" like police handing tickets out and now people avoid that area and dont use it as a shortcut anymore, so the only people they been going after is the tiny 250 person population itself..i dont know how long that town will exist before gets absorbed into ours, i know been talks of it...
"Some states have a restrictive yellow where you are in violation at the moment the light turns red if any part of your car is in the intersection."
Unless you are already going fast and everything is clear... how is it possible to get off the intersection so quickly? Either thats just not correct or those states are fucked up.
Leo Curious Those states with restrictive yellow are just looking for more revenue. Here's something: New York City does not allow right turns on red unless signage says you CAN (Right on Red OK). Every other city in this country allows right turns on red unless signage says you CAN'T (No Right On Red). I don't think there's any signage in NYC that says No Right On Red. That would be 500,000+ signs. I wonder how many out of town tourists get caught running red lights in NYC.
Well if its red at least you know about "driving now might be a bad idea". Thats nothing compared to this yellow nonsense. In my country, if you can turn right, there is a green arrow there.
Leo Curious
What side of the road does your country drive on?
Very good journalism, exposing a city’s corrupt practices!!! Good job guys!
If traffic safety was important, yellow lights would last at least six seconds.
If traffic safety was important, people would stop before yellow lights when they can.
@@Ultrajuiced execpt thats retarted. A yellow light is a green light all a yellow light means is that a change to red occurs soon
Anthony Eggert
Actually, a yellow light means to yield for red if you aren’t close enough to the intersection.
teh gramer chekcing frek is intact corect.
Doc Holliday
_are you trying to torment me_
Ironically, the car they show turning right is actually running a red light!
A lot of those tickets are probably for doing just that, not coming to a complete stop on a right turn which is BS.
Yes, that is their favorite way to give out tickets; if you do not make a complete 3 second stop you will get a ticket!
In the US you can turn right on red at most intersections.
Yea,its more of a stop sign or a yield sign than running like it's a green,people could be walking though the sidewalks or someone could make a U turn.
@@RampageG4mer yes but you still have to stop on red. Red means stop not roll through
Great work guys! I love how this whole story came together. We need more of this type of reporting.
This is why we need the news reporters. For stories small and large, they call out wrongdoing by citizens and people in government.
Someone bring this to the attention of a good lawyer and file a CLASS ACTION SUIT against the city. These people, if setting the time lower to entrap people into paying unfair tickets, seem like crooks to me.
Photo enforcement system were never about safety - thats just the veil that they use to hide their ultimate reason, revenue. If you think Im fooling myself take a look at what has been going on in cities that have had these systems. In Nassau county and Suffolk county the cost of these citations has been raised a countless number of time - originally started south of 50 dollars now more than twice that (when you add in the "administrative fee" that they snuck in").
You have this runaway problem where cities install these then become dependent on the revenue stream. When Nassau county was asked why they are rising the citation fee to 150 dollar (not sure if it passed,i left by then) they stated that it'll help cover other operational costs of the city. So you have a situation where they are hooked on these citation fee - their hooked on it likes its methadone and they can't get off.
There are other problems that this type of enformcent causes. They are ugly, physicaly speaking, The flash from the lights is extremely bright and blinding, particularly at night - it is absolutely atrocious.
My only advice to people that if your city/county begins to install this type of shit, protest it as much as you can and let them know that its bullshit. The vast majority of the situations are not issue to people going through a red light, they are for people who are either going through a slightly late light or not coming to a complete rolling-back stop prior to a right turn. When they campaign for these types of systems they shows videos of people going through a red light and hitting cross traffic - which by the way, people that go through actual red lights, this system will not prevent because its not an actual physical barrier to negligenc. If they were being honest they would show how these systems actually work which is to give citation to motorist who go through a slightly late yellow light. Lets just be honest and call them what they are; these are not red light cameras they are' slightly late yellow' light cameras.
City of Bolingbrook IL everyone got so pissed, everyone voted to the council to REMOVE ALL TRAFFIC CAMERA's, the city finally caved in when everyone called for impeaching the council
That Subaru though
Ty Crawford What time?
3:40 dat subi tho
Lol I Didn’t see it but recognized the sound
Institute For Justice attorneys made the city apologize, and finally made them "open their mouths" and say the light WAS TIMED WRONG. They also gave Mats his $500 back after they were sued.
The problem is so easy to remedy. You slam on your brakes and when the member of city council slams into the back of your car, you sue them for whip lash.
3:20
Is this woman's brain switched off? Please resigh.
If the light was a tenth of a second longer the driver would not be running a red light in many cases.
In a small town in Ga. the town put up both red light cams and speeding cams. They kept malfunctioning. The reason? A .308 bullet. After three replacements they finally gave up and took them down.
I find the length of yellow lights almost always match the length of the white line from where it turns to a solid line, if you're following the speed limit. I've also reported an intersections light time, but they have yet to change it.
Perhaps true in your area, and only until whomever is responsible for that quits or retires. Not true elsewhere. The length of the white line does generally increase with increasing speed limit, but it's not proportional or consistent.
The city council should be checked as to what they're wages are. Bet you'd be surprised! Used to be a truck driver, now retired & have seen the light scam more than once in smaller cities than the big 1s.
What about the redlight cam in Toronto on Adelaide? I got dinged for going through when the light was red for .3 of a second, paid the fine and seen I had another ticket for being close to a hydrant
In Australia these things are run by the state no local councils do these things so there is no Boss Hogg corruption
technically these things are supposed to be handled by the federal government here in the US. they have a set formula and chart for how has to happen. the state/local government handles maintenance over these things however because federal government is far too slow. the state/local isnt allowed to deviate much from those standards but it happens sometimes.. money is a huge motivator.
Yeah right aussie boy!
There always corruption in all government some less than others don't trust any government
The whole thing is full of corruption mate, revenue raising at its finest
Lol, League City, Tx had to refund over 1,700 tickets for the same tactic.
This is one of the more interesting news stories I've seen in a while
We had a 3 second yellow light here in a 60km/h zone. Same thing happened with that light, people fought it and lost and later it changed to a 4second light. The crosswalk there has pedestrian lights tho and hand starts flashing to let pedestrians know its about to change which generally they get 15seconds when it starts to flash so depending on how far away you are when its flashing you judge off that and avoid the tickets that way.
I got a ticket there 5 years ago. There was a loophole though, since the car I was driving was owned by my dad and the ticket went to my dad, he didn't have to pay since he wasn't driving it. It was pretty expensive too, $350.
how does that work though? and does that mean that people can just drive each other's car and not get a ticket because they're not the owner of the car they're driving?? and whoever is driving their car isnt them?
well, one of you had to have paid it so it's not really a loophole...
Bye mom, I'm taking your car, the keys are in mine!
idk about that, in texas, if you don't pay, they won't let you renew your car registration.
traffic camera's can only ID plates, so the ticket is to the registered driver, hence another reason the system is BS, how would they know who is driving?
Hall Blvd @ Scholls Ferry is a Complicated Intersection & it gets Very Busy around Washington Square Mall. It needs a Double Left Turn Lane on Westbound, Southbound & Northbound. Also to add a Westbound Right Turn Lane. It will include Replacing All of Traffic Signals. Also a 5 Lenses Right Turn Signal needs to be Replaced with a Flashing Yellow Arrow to Reduce Conflicts. Add a Blink Out Sign for No Turn On Red.
My home town used to have traffic light cameras. The duration of the yellow light was controlled by the contractor of the cameras and not the city. The yellow light on one 50 mph road was 3 seconds and almost all other lights in the city not on cameras were 4 to 5 seconds. The city got out of the contract in less than a year thankfully.
A traffic camera system can improve safety. Unfortunately, greed takes over and the lights are shortened to improve revenue.
I remember when they started these back in the late 1990's. At the time I just got out of High School there at Aloha. My dad and mom received a ticket in the mail for speeding, same as the red light cameras, the speed cams were not tuned correctly. The road they did travel on showed 40MPH, they tried to clock his car from the speed camera at the time 160MPH. First I know his car could not go that fast. This also occurred in Beaverton as well. A Honda Accord built in 1992 with the Governor still on could not exceed 110MPH. Unless back then you knew how to rechip the ECU, bore out the heads for a stage 3 Turbo, or Supercharger, and swap out the intercooler.
My dad fought it, and did win, becuse I was there in court asking a Judge to prove to me that a Honda Accord SE stock can do 160MPH. He shut the fuck up and dropped hte case.
Now all the red light cameras in Beaverton will issue speeding tickets even if the light is green. They've kept this very quiet, as well.
In the uk the amber lights last a lot shorter than this. Doesn’t yellow or amber mean that you should prepare to stop?
in Canada we have a sign at every interception with a red light camera so people can slow down, and also a good yellow light time.
My city put red light cameras up. Then, the citizens filed a constitutional lawsuit and won! All of our red light cameras were removed. Hahah
Super easy way to fix a red-light camera. Get a cordless drill with a long 1/4" drill bit. Find the tar strips in front of the stop line that are in the shape of a rectangle. This is the red light camera sensor. Take the drill and drill into the tar strip as far as you can get it to go. The sensor will no longer work and they'll have to put a new one in.
Brian Leeper so like do you want us to bet arrested for destroying property
That's entirely up to you. If in doubt, consult an attorney.
it's still destroying city property, better answer is to put black ducttape over the camera lens
And ironically road deaths along those roads they were removed on would have gone down
Or you know, slow down or stop. What yellow lights ACTUALLY mean. They don't mean "Floor it to get through before red"
To be fair, the lights in my town are all different. We have an intersection crossing the main road, one goes up the hill, the other goes into the side road where most of the residents live. The hill light and side road light have green light timers shorter than yellow like timers, if not the same.
At no point did I ever think a wrongly timed light would cause so much distress.
I get why cameras like these exist but it's shit when say if someone borrows your car and runs a red light, you get the ticket because it's *your* car and they don't.
I've seen studies where these red lights cameras actually create more accidents. Somebody will be too close to an intersection too stop, but because of the camera they will slam the brakes on. Then the drive behind didn't expect them to stop because they were so close to the intersection and they get rearended. Or they come to an uncontrollable stop skidding through the intersection and crash into another vehicle.
There is a light nearby that is a green turn arrow, but there is no yellow turn arrow. It goes from Green straight to red with 0.01 seconds warning. So you could be even 6 inches from the intersection with a green light, and it will turn red, and boom you've ran a red light. Thankfully there is no camera, and none of the police here would ever ticket for running it.
they only create more accidents because 99.9999999990999% of drivers go to fast or pay attention to everything else but driving. if drivers paid attention and did not speed organ donation would drop drastically.
in TX it's based on speed, 1 second for every 10mph, and if it's say a 25mph round up to 3. With a traffic camera they're supposed to add 2 seconds.
I do a lot of driving through Oregon into California.
I don't think I'll be stopping in this town again.
4 seconds sounds like more than enough to stop.
You guys need to change your "yellow = green mentality". "Yellow = red but luckily you're not getting a ticket yet".
Car & Driver reported some years ago that the red light camera companies, who receive a portion of the fines, recommend shortening the yellow interval for maximum effectiveness.
was just there, visiting Beaverton over the summer, and they're still doing the same thing. just at a diff spot.
We have this problem in my town with many of the lights, but at least none of them have red-light cameras.
Light turns, slam on brakes. The car behind you is required to follow at a safe distance so if they rear end you, they are at fault for following too close. You have to always assume the car in front of you will lock up the tires without notice, and you have to give yourself enough distance to react and bring your car to a stop before you reach the car in front of you.
In my country yellow timing is standard 3 seconds, but it is also standard preceded by green flashing for another 3 seconds. Additionally it's only illegal to enter the intersection when it's already red, if you entered at yellow then it's automatically legal.
4,5 seconds? In the Netherlands, the standard is 3 seconds. Only on traffic lights where traffic approaches at higher speeds (like traffic exiting a highway), it's 4 seconds.
🤣🤣🤣" im here before you for the 8th time " man that was funny
Theory test :
Question 2:
What should you do when you see a green light shown at the trafic light for a long period of time?
a) be prepared to stop, the lights will change soon
b) continue, your instructor was Van Diesel.
That lady in the council grinds my gears all stuck up.
We have lots of those in Houston I see the yellow light go to red fast when it usually last a little while
I hate those cameras!!! They're definitely infamous!!! I HATE THEM!!!!
That dude's wife completely ran that red light.
THE SIMPLE FACT THAT THEY USE .1 SECOND INCREMENTS SAYS THE WHOLE CAMERA SYSTEM IS SET TO MAXIMIZE INCOME NOT SAFETY.
NOT ALL CARS HAVE THE SAME BRAKING EFFICIENCY AND ROAD CONDITIONS CAN MAKE IT TAKE LONGER TO STOP
NOT ALL DRIVERS HAVE THE SAME REACTION TIMES.
IF SAFETY WERE THE ISSUE THE TIMING WOULD ALLOW FOR DRIVER, VEHICLE AND WEATHER DIFFERENCES.
THEY ARE RUNNING THE SYSTEM AS IF IT WERE A VIDEO GAME WITH NO REAL CONSEQUENCES.
Beaverton is known for generating revenue issuing out tickets to motorist, I get anxiety when I approach an intersection with traffic cameras in Beaverton. This report proves that the Beaverton City Council and the mayor are in the business of getting revenue from motorists.
funny how in just the first 13 seconds of the video, talking about the traffic lights catching people doing things they didn't do, they recorded someone actually disobeying the law by not stopping at the red light before turning.
Years ago, there were no yellow lights in NYC, it just red directly from green.
Theirs a tricky light by were I live In Phoenix. When the countdown to walk stops It usually turns yellow and red but instead sometimes It stays green for a bit longer and without warning It changes to yellow and red. I believe that got me one ticket already. And once traffic going west to east and east to west stayed green for over 5 minutes until I did a u turn and I don't know how much longer It stayed green.
I saw a picture once where the yellow light was in the shape of an hour glass and once it went from full yellow to an empty outline then it would change to red, giving drivers a fair perception about when to expect lights to turn. I grew up in beaverton and have seen issues like this everywhere. You can spin it any way you want but the truth is there are ways to increase traffic safety but politicians will never agree because the generation of revenue is more important then the safety of the citizens. I'm not surprised and this is nothing new, these injustices, however small, happen all the time all over the country without any recourse for the actions that caused them in the first place.
The state of New Mexico ruled several years ago that red light cameras can't be installed on state maintained highways because their contribution to safety couldn't be proven. Quite a few that cities had put up had to be removed.
I never thought the color yellow was soo controversial
I noticed that their speed limit signs say only "speed'. In my area, they say "speed limit". Technically, the sign is telling you that you must go that speed, but not under or over. So if the sign says "SPEED 40" and you are going 39 mph, I guess that means you are disobeying the speed on the sign, so they can technically give you a ticket.
Here in Canada it happened and the city gave back the monies to those wrongfully charged and dropped any tickets by the defective red light camera.
There’s a light in Asheville NC that individually has a two second yellow at 45 mph it’s stupid crazy...
What about Green lights, how long suppose to last?
It is called “nullification.” The city nullifies the state regulations.
3:24 what exactly is a tenth of a yellow second?
This is troubling, including for drivers who are not from that area.
I have a light on my street that allows a eight second window and its split up by half green and half yellow.
This man is an American hero!
The scary thing is with the short amber light, the timing was introduced to prevent collisions. The vehicles on all four roads leading into the intersection should be at a standstill, before the green for go light comes on. So the timing should take into account the speed limit, grade and width of the interchange in both the N=S and E-W directions or points there of. As stated in the video.
Now the Town lawyer gave a 3 to 7 second yellow light delay stated in law. Well yes a 3 second delay would be correct on a low speed limit road that's at flat grade, with only single lanes each way. But 3 seconds would not allow for reaction time and for the vehicle to clear the intersection of say a two lane road in each direction.
Sadly towns and city's are manipulating all kinds of laws to extract money from the motorist. We are lucky in the UK that motoring organisations such as the AA and RAC do monitor this. Or will look into complaints raised by members.
The difference of a half of a second is a long time?
But the silver Jeep runs the red light where the yellow light was not a factor.
Have your city or state make red light cameras illegal
This should not be fake news it should be in the stupid news section all traffic lights will have some sort of different timing the fact that people are getting ticketed is totally fair because they are actually running reds not a half second yellow
That dilemma zone is to accommodate those with slower reaction times or less experience, there should be a civil suit.
And the councillor who says she always brakes when she sees a yellow light, that’s categorically either lying or unsafe.
If you actually watched this video, you are either a local, a nerd, or waaay too bored.
It was suggested, bro.
Wow gender inclusiveness please?
suggested.
I went through a school bus when it turned red because the bus driver never put the yellow lights on.
half a second difference? The yellow lights in Chicago last literally 1 second.
Why don't we have a countdown on the yellow lights so we know how long they'll last?
Wait, what's still ahead?
This is called taking advantage
That's nothing, we have a stop light near the highway in my town that lasts 2 seconds. My friend and I went through that light multiple times with an electronic stop watch. 2.3 seconds every time. And yes, there is a camera on it. We have two speed cams and several red light cameras. It sucks. I got hit with one a few years ago. Same light too.
"Red light camera "critic" "? And I thought Instagram models weren't a real job..
Short yellow lights actually make intersections more dangerous. We all know that the most common car accident is a rear end collision. Some drivers who are following a car coming up on a yellow light will speed up and end up tail gating the car through the intersection. And sometimes the car they're following will slam on their brakes to avoid running a red light. That's almost guaranteed to cause an accident.
idiot drivers make driving dangerous, yellow means slow down and prepare to stop. it does not mean speed up.
Red means stop, green means go and yellow means go very fast.
I've had some towns when the light turn green it turn red before I could get my foot on the gas to go.
she clearly ran the red light, the yellow light was on for at least 3.95 seconds.
The real issue here is you shouldn't run Red lights.. If you can't safely drive your vehicle through a Yellow light, you should not have a drivers licence..
In the UK we get 3 seconds, +/- 0.25. Maybe our brakes are better? Almost everyone is able to stop in this time, aside from huge lorries doing 50.
Guy tells him to wrap this up. To what 4.0 seconds like their lights?
Yellow lights last close to 2-3 seconds where I live. But we don't have red light cameras.
They actually dared to ticket the Swedish engineer. For daring to speak out.
I liked the news anchors' little discussion at the end. Most news anchors talk like 10 year olds
Sounds like everyone who was fined should file a class action lawsuit against the city. People need to stand up and stop letting the government fuck them over