The 9G limit is programmed. One F-16 airforce bypassed the limiter and pulled over 12 G's, and RTB. Another user pulled over 9 when crossing the transonic zone while pulling out of a dive. RTB was normal.
They literally predicted the future, to be fair this was inevitable, the only limitation an aircraft has is it's human meatbag pilot suffering from high G's. 🥲
Not predicted the future, but was in development in our past for the future. Everything we see today is product of technology development and sometimes may look like things predict the future We have had toy drones for many many years now and nobody thought the US government would do the same for their jets ? American government most likely perfected this many decades ago and now it’s just finally being released..
I had heard of DARPA before but I began a deep-dive after reading a book in 2009 called,”The Department of Mad Scientists: How DARPA Is Remaking Our World, from the Internet to Artificial Limbs” by Michael Belfiore. DARPA’s intriguing in that it essentially functions as a project management firm for the US government. They contract the best and brightest to work on their projects. It’s astounding what they’ve developed and continue to develop.
The G limits aren't just for humans. Aircraft only have so many safe fling hours. Everytime an aircraft pulls hugh G's they need to be inspected for stress cracks, which cut down usable flight hours.
Yeah, it will break down, but better some wear and tear than dying to a missile. If these things include the 'fire from any angle' feature of the f35s it wont even need to pull high gs to get a lock, just for evasion.
@ShawnHinck high G's aren't caused by human error. I think you missed the point of what I said and the comments in the video. And what you said is incorrect. Every aircraft has a life span based on flying hours. High G's, hard landings, saltwater and harsh impact those hours. Resulting in increased inspections from trained personnel. Regardless of who or what is flying it.
Then you really need to read the 2 books in the Yukikaze series, By Chohei Kambayashi..(supposedly now 3 books?).. Where our own most advanced AI computers, in fighting a war with a largely unknown & unseeable alien existence, known as the JAM, soon start to decide that humans & our humanity is an impediment, and after keeping secret from us that the JAM have been making entreaties & approaches to all the various human sides AI's, they (our AI's) start finding ways to ignore, circumvent, and eventually deceive us humans..and our intended strategic & military directives, and decietfully deciding that they ultimately have more in common with the JAM, (a non-comporeal entity, but with far superior awareness & quantum capabilities, including interdimentional travel) and the opening of interdimentional gates to other worlds & world/planet-like constructs of their own.. Which is how we first learned of them..when they open an interdimentional passageway in Antarctica, and their first known attack on humanity began..on the Mcmurdo base on the Ross ice shelf. It's also got a 5 disc anime cartoon series, by Bandai/Maddog, that while a lot thinner in plot than the original books, and cutting a lot of the deeper story out for the sake of action, (which leaves you to wonder a lot, if you only watch the anime first..as you don't get much backstory or history with the anime), and thus you'll be only getting a small part of the overall story, and a more localized experience within the world & the JAM war, from the point of view of Rai Fukai, pilot of SAF unit B-3 'Yukikazi' a new & highly sentient AI core fighter/recon aircraft called a super sylph.. Yukikaze was specially designed, specifically to be very sensitive to the JAM..to detect & recognise them, and all of their signatures, essence and their various constructs..and to evolve to further sentience & maturity as an AI, as it learns, in conjunction with their pilots and their shared wartime experiences..they grow & experience combat together..with the emphasis on that shared combat experience, and its value in improving human survival knowledge & awareness, in war with the JAM, and thus directing further human ideas, strategies, designs & war plans Our more normal AI intelligences, that sift, sort & analyze all the data to help detirmine much of these concerns, on return from each fighter's missions, and use it all to form a big picture of awareness, all sensor-fused & network centric warfare integrated into ever more advanced warfighting and survival strategies for use against the clearly far superior alien enemy, that just seems to be almost toying with humanity..while presenting it a costly 3 decades long fighting war between worlds..ours & theirs. Or so we thought..But I won't give much away here. No spoilers. Ultimately, Yuzikaze becomes far more sentient than was ever predicted or intended by her military industrial complex makers, though..and essentially becomes a new, composite lifeform..far less AI, and considerably more sentient, and Rai must learn to meld with her much closer than ever before, because the JAM have noticed the danger that Yukikaze poses, and that Rai himself now also trusting her as he now implicitly does, and has begun targeting them both directly, and are taking a decidedly dangerous interest in this new & complex pair of warfighting JAM hunters, learning to trust & meld with each other in ways ordinary people & humanity does not.. The AI all see this..the JAM see all this..and all on our side are fighting for self-survival..But not all equally..and they all have their own concerns. Where will our AI creations betray us? Will they all decide to equally? How much human complicity & treachery is involved..And will Yukikaze allow any of them to get away with it!? "..Yukikaze says, it's an enemy.."
Ironic, because all scientific and technological progress flows from the need to make war. Case in point, modern medicine exists because disease felled more soldiers than enemy action. If you enjoy any facet of modern prosperity, thank the military-industrial complex.
The thing is modern air combat is not only about dogfighting. It's about real time evaluation and decision making. That's where ai will face an ethical wall imo
@@mikewaterfield3599 Hacking a FLYING F-16 or F-35 or any other high end jets.... is as good as winning the Lottery. Possible, highly unlikely. The US has been working on the F-16s on the various DARPA aerial activities for close to 2 decades now. Only now that that AI, programming, and super computation --- two/three sides of the same coin, if you will ---- are maturing to a point where complex programs are able to make self-correction and improvement without humans putting every small in-put by hand. If you asked CHATGPT or BARD/GEMINI to do calculus or chemistry, when they first came out, a lot of times, those programs churned out very wrong, nonsensical answers. Right now, after just 2 iterations, they are already very good. Math problems are easy to see why improvements could be done so quickly; but a lot of Chemistry problems, however, are haphazardly WORDED word problems, with only the most rudimentary numbers... and, yet, these programs could follow our non-concise VERBAL DESCRIPTIONS good enough to churn out perfectly good, fast answers! I was surprised when it could do chemistry problems, with molecular compounds written rather haphazardly in letters and numbers in very minimally standardize manners... Imagine how good they'd be in another 15 - 20 years, of constant improvement! Ditto for AI.
@@mikeharvey9184 Makes me wonder how good the AI is. It could probably shoot down whatever enemy pilot goes after it, making it more of an extra combat aircraft than a decoy. And it could probably spin and weave so well while ignoring G-forces that it could dodge missiles without chaff and flares.
@@techinrl9869 all the reasons you state are why I think it would be a good decoy… maybe “Crazy Weasel” could be the new term for it. Similar in principle to the Wild Weasel role, but bonus points that it could also draw the attention and engage enemy fighters.
Even the Raptor may have issues versus an X-62A considering it isn't a regular F-16D. It's been upgraded with a new engine with more power and 360° thrust vectoring paired with state of the art avionics allowing it to be flown by AI but also mimic the flight characteristics of any jet in the air (including the raptor). It's so unique that the raptor will never get an AI pilot, however the NGAD fighter in development that's slated to replace the F-22 most likely will.
Those results aren’t public, and if you know them, something tells me you wouldn’t be talking about it for the sake of your security clearance….. the 5 you’re talking about were in the sim not the real life trials.
It was published in an article I read. It was an anonymous source so take it with a grain of salt but it was in the real life trials. That's why I specified that both planes had no restrictions and there were only 5 of them.
We will either create skynet, Cyclons, or Hal 9000, or maybe iRobot and V.I.K.I. I guess there is little difference. Humans are bent on self destruction.
Russia and China thinking they pushing the limits with ballistic missiles they try to write off as hypersonic missiles meanwhile America making terminator f16s to win every air battle … we aren’t the same
Pretty sure they’re doing the same. China’s AI just beat the cutting edge AI that we in the US currently have. Also, what they’re doing with hypersonic missiles, are objectively hypersonic.
@@Machiavelli2pc go watch habitual line crosser. He’s in the military and his job revolves around Patriot missiles and intercept missiles in general. There’s a huge leap in what they say it is and what it actually does. If you’re going to allow for “any missile that goes hypersonic for any amount of time” then America has had that since the 1940s. If your talking about the thing that would be the actual new and difficult thing to event of a missile that could maneuver at hypersonic speed then nobody has it. It’s cheaper and better to have a missile you can’t see coming then one you can that’s slightly harder to hit. As for them doing the same in ai … well they would have been using it for propaganda if they were even attempting to and failing to do so. The fact that we have this coming out from America after the testing phase is basically done means if it had to be we could probably put it to use on stealth jets … so we could be a generation ahead and a technological advantage above. The gap for those who aren’t America has widened massively from this
These recent episodes are fantastic Tog! Not sure if you've taken on some additional help - or are just now able to demonstrate your super skills. Excellent information and fabulous production. A pleasure to watch.
Tough ask for a pilot to fight against an equal aircraft, but one that’s so much lighter without the human systems and it’s g-tolerance being the structural limit of the aircraft.
An AI is great in whatever you program it to do, but it’s stuck inside that box. Also, it cannot reason like a human being. A human pilot with an AI helper could be the greatest tool in air combat.
AI is not "taking over." They are still just "prediction engines." They cannot reason, think, or feel. Even dog fighting is nothing but being able to predict what your opponent will do next and then when they do something, anything, decide what is most likely that they will do next. Nice Win Vista dig. :D
Does it concern you that the humans at the top of the decision tree suffer human vices and make decisions directing the use of A.I. in support of or against others?
This is a good example of the F-16’s capabilities but I don’t think the same can be said about other airframes Its safe to say its a stepping stone for future drone designs to be able to pull more complex maneuvers but there will most likely always be a human in a “mothership” to control those drones or at least keep watch
Which is part of the B21's sale actually as the first 6th generation. She can command drone swarms, is large enough to house a double flight crew, allowing fresh brains to always be at the helm to play QB
The same F-16 with thrust vectoring... and now, AI? Kinda seems unfair. Adding the ccv's canards would've been redundant maneuverability overkill but gawk factor galory, nonetheless. The advent of AI technology in next gen fighter aircraft is welcomed and insane at the same time. Will factor out human error, yet at the same time, become an adversary worst nightmare.
Now that the A.I. is performing insane monuverablilities that surpass any human physical capabilities, its going to be even more wonderful to learn what the F-16 is capable of doing in a airshow using A.I. to pilot the aircrafts.
AI in air superiority and other roles is a must. Pilot retention and recruitment is becoming a liability to our national security. Another insightful and relevant post Juan.
My dad for 2 years worked on a DARPA oversight project. Everyday he would go in and pull a derpy employees file out of a file cabinet review the project he was working on and make suggestions for continuing education to to more guarantee success of the project. He had to be extremely intelligent and understand everything.
@@PilotPhotog Aight, I may have found and followed already. You will know when I post. Have to transfer the traditional way with the card plugged into the laptop.
Braking the three laws is a very unintelligent thing to do. Further more space is different all together. We should maintain AI as a tool nothing more.
"The F-16 is only using 40% of its capability" The F-16's designed ultimate load is 150% of the 9g rated load, or 13.5G's at combat weight. Past that, its wings will snap off.
If the good guy's aircraft and the bad guy's aircraft are both controlled by the same Ai, would both aircraft fly to a tie and release this data: the only winning move is not to play.
my question would be would this system be able to tell the difference between a fighter jet vs a commercial passenger jet? and have they tested it yet to see if the system can tell the difference
I see a place for them, running deceptive measures, however I believe that when it comes to the option of ending lives or not , that should be left solely on a pilot... the Falcon just seemed the obvious aircraft for this do to its FBW technology which was way ahead of its time...
Great episode! Which in my fiction the main boss AI of the setting was inocuslly placed in the USAF academy combat sims by the US gov to test him in combat but also find canidits for the gen 6 hypersonic fighter program by well letting him cheat as the only thing he is best at is hacking not pilotry... A fragment of the AI will however be one of the best pilots of ww3(2024-2025) in a New York Air national guard Reaper drone able to kill littlery anything he wanted and he did it two hell firs at a time. And would get modifications to his frame to turn his reaper into an air sumpremcy fighter which would be the basis of the front line fighters moving on in the setting.
Ace combat Zero to Ace combat 5 wasn't a game but to Collect flight Data for A.I. to fly like the "player 1" during your time in digital campaign. You the "player" controlling the plane while A.I. continues to analyze and observed your flight data as you continue to fight your way through harsh battles.
The reason 'why' removing the US is no ones top priority. We push the boundaries and do all the work that keeps the technology progressing far beyond what is capable of by all others. Cheaper and easier to steal it, or be close friends with a get pieces here and there, than invest the time and coin to do what you can't do yourself. In other words, they might be geopolitically annoying, but their usefulness makes it easier to overlook that flaw.
Agreed, but this is definitely a first step - not saying I want that to happen anytime soon, but this is certainly a historic moment. Thanks for commenting!
A jet that can see 360 degrees all the time in most wavelengths inc radar range/visible light and also extremely pull high gs 's isn't getting knocked by a non ai stealth craft. It'll react very rapidly to those bvr missiles and save itself. It may not be able to take out the stealth planes but those stealth crafts won't be able to to stop it's penetration, only slow it down and it'll still hit it's ground targets
No one dogfights if they can do anything about it. Can you even imagine to out manage in BFM A I Daunting challenge I assure you in every aspect corner sustained energy states. Freaking awesome talk about kicking puppies.
AI plane would probably enable a return of ball turret design in air superiority fighter. Currently it's too much workload for a pilot to aim and fly maneuver at the same time, so you end up have to rely on tricky maneuver to aim your gun to the target and avoid getting aim. But AI wouldnt have such attention limitation, they could probably aim a ball turret and shoot toward the back of the plane even if it was flying forward. Effectively the plane become a mini b-2 flying fortress that can engage target at any direction. Although fixed mount cannon of fighter plane usually have longer range than ball turret machine gun. The traditional dog fight trade off would probably change dramatically if they design airplane that take advantage of AI's unique property
Finally we have the pilot above all human limitations! AI is building up their species and civilization. Should two civilization collide? It would not be like cold war but more like mutiny, french revolution?
fascinating! I see where this is going. the F-16 has already been performance limited to the pilot's body. an adversary will have no chance if that limit can be removed to the structural limit of even this 50 year old aircraft. plus, protecting the pilot is no longer a concern so greater risks can be taken that the adversary can ill afford. pilots can still add human intuition by coordinating missions remotely while the AI perfectly executes the tactics. adversaries will eventually copy this. by then we'll again be a step, preferably two, ahead. I may have gripes but I ❤America 🇺🇸
How is is this better than some form of advanced virtual reality controlled by a pilot on the ground .. seems much simpler and safer and accomplishes the same tasks
It’s finally happened? lol no this is old technology, my friend US military technology is only released to civilian eyes when in development for at least 10 to 20 years if not more. This is common place. F-16 is 50 years old as of this year 2024 -DARPA
This is one Step where there is no room for any error. AI IS A VERY ADVANCED RADAR SYSTEM AND KEEP THE PILOT AWAKE DURING DOGFIGHTS. TOTALLY 💯 UNBELIEVABLE TO DATE.
DARPA, NASA, Shōji Kawamori, it’s been a thought for so long, that it feels we are behind in AI but there is no rush. Remember, in Macross Plus, the AI Sharon Apple took over the Ghost, and the planetary defense network. 😉
Just another example of the F-16 proving itself to be one of the best, most all-around fighter jets in history.
9g wonder wing
The 9G limit is programmed. One F-16 airforce bypassed the limiter and pulled over 12 G's, and RTB. Another user pulled over 9 when crossing the transonic zone while pulling out of a dive. RTB was normal.
It's a top dogfighter, but short range, limited radar, and only having a single-engine keep it from being a great multi-role plane.
I find it funny how it was never meant to be a multi roll fighter, and became one of the best
@@AndyFromBeaverton google operation opera. The first A-G mission for the Viper. Complete success.
Ace combat Skies Unknown doesn't seem too unrealistic after watching this.
They literally predicted the future, to be fair this was inevitable, the only limitation an aircraft has is it's human meatbag pilot suffering from high G's. 🥲
You are so right.
Not predicted the future, but was in development in our past for the future.
Everything we see today is product of technology development and sometimes may look like things predict the future
We have had toy drones for many many years now and nobody thought the US government would do the same for their jets ?
American government most likely perfected this many decades ago and now it’s just finally being released..
Literally just remembering the drone F18s of Eurusa. This is a concerning development 😅
LMAO 💀
I had heard of DARPA before but I began a deep-dive after reading a book in 2009 called,”The Department of Mad Scientists: How DARPA Is Remaking Our World, from the Internet to Artificial Limbs” by Michael Belfiore. DARPA’s intriguing in that it essentially functions as a project management firm for the US government. They contract the best and brightest to work on their projects. It’s astounding what they’ve developed and continue to develop.
The G limits aren't just for humans. Aircraft only have so many safe fling hours. Everytime an aircraft pulls hugh G's they need to be inspected for stress cracks, which cut down usable flight hours.
Yeah, it will break down, but better some wear and tear than dying to a missile. If these things include the 'fire from any angle' feature of the f35s it wont even need to pull high gs to get a lock, just for evasion.
The service life hours have doubled for the Viper. The F-15 suffered more structural failures.
So easily they forget... well said ! Some people can't wait to hand every moment of their boring lives to a machine I guess !
True, but with AI they don’t need constant training, so as a result the airframe sees less stress so that does a lot for the lifespan of the airframe
@ShawnHinck high G's aren't caused by human error. I think you missed the point of what I said and the comments in the video. And what you said is incorrect. Every aircraft has a life span based on flying hours. High G's, hard landings, saltwater and harsh impact those hours. Resulting in increased inspections from trained personnel. Regardless of who or what is flying it.
If I learned anything from Ace Combat 7 is that technological progress without humanity will lead to perpetual war
Then you really need to read the 2 books in the Yukikaze series, By Chohei Kambayashi..(supposedly now 3 books?).. Where our own most advanced AI computers, in fighting a war with a largely unknown & unseeable alien existence, known as the JAM, soon start to decide that humans & our humanity is an impediment, and after keeping secret from us that the JAM have been making entreaties & approaches to all the various human sides AI's, they (our AI's) start finding ways to ignore, circumvent, and eventually deceive us humans..and our intended strategic & military directives, and decietfully deciding that they ultimately have more in common with the JAM, (a non-comporeal entity, but with far superior awareness & quantum capabilities, including interdimentional travel) and the opening of interdimentional gates to other worlds & world/planet-like constructs of their own..
Which is how we first learned of them..when they open an interdimentional passageway in Antarctica, and their first known attack on humanity began..on the Mcmurdo base on the Ross ice shelf.
It's also got a 5 disc anime cartoon series, by Bandai/Maddog, that while a lot thinner in plot than the original books, and cutting a lot of the deeper story out for the sake of action, (which leaves you to wonder a lot, if you only watch the anime first..as you don't get much backstory or history with the anime), and thus you'll be only getting a small part of the overall story, and a more localized experience within the world & the JAM war, from the point of view of Rai Fukai, pilot of SAF unit B-3 'Yukikazi' a new & highly sentient AI core fighter/recon aircraft called a super sylph..
Yukikaze was specially designed, specifically to be very sensitive to the JAM..to detect & recognise them, and all of their signatures, essence and their various constructs..and to evolve to further sentience & maturity as an AI, as it learns, in conjunction with their pilots and their shared wartime experiences..they grow & experience combat together..with the emphasis on that shared combat experience, and its value in improving human survival knowledge & awareness, in war with the JAM, and thus directing further human ideas, strategies, designs & war plans
Our more normal AI intelligences, that sift, sort & analyze all the data to help detirmine much of these concerns, on return from each fighter's missions, and use it all to form a big picture of awareness, all sensor-fused & network centric warfare integrated into ever more advanced warfighting and survival strategies for use against the clearly far superior alien enemy, that just seems to be almost toying with humanity..while presenting it a costly 3 decades long fighting war between worlds..ours & theirs.
Or so we thought..But I won't give much away here. No spoilers.
Ultimately, Yuzikaze becomes far more sentient than was ever predicted or intended by her military industrial complex makers, though..and essentially becomes a new, composite lifeform..far less AI, and considerably more sentient, and Rai must learn to meld with her much closer than ever before, because the JAM have noticed the danger that Yukikaze poses, and that Rai himself now also trusting her as he now implicitly does, and has begun targeting them both directly, and are taking a decidedly dangerous interest in this new & complex pair of warfighting JAM hunters, learning to trust & meld with each other in ways ordinary people & humanity does not..
The AI all see this..the JAM see all this..and all on our side are fighting for self-survival..But not all equally..and they all have their own concerns.
Where will our AI creations betray us? Will they all decide to equally? How much human complicity & treachery is involved..And will Yukikaze allow any of them to get away with it!?
"..Yukikaze says, it's an enemy.."
Ironic, because all scientific and technological progress flows from the need to make war.
Case in point, modern medicine exists because disease felled more soldiers than enemy action.
If you enjoy any facet of modern prosperity, thank the military-industrial complex.
Munin and hugin
Yep, but with humanity, you lose wars.
At least it ends
The thing is modern air combat is not only about dogfighting.
It's about real time evaluation and decision making. That's where ai will face an ethical wall imo
Yes. People do not realize how fast an AI fire control system would be able to react to what the sensors see. It’s quite scary actually.
Jet fighters are limited to our body's resistances to G-forces.
This was said in the video
Computers are limited to their programming. Besides, you can’t jam or hack a pilot.
@@mikewaterfield3599 Hacking a FLYING F-16 or F-35 or any other high end jets.... is as good as winning the Lottery. Possible, highly unlikely.
The US has been working on the F-16s on the various DARPA aerial activities for close to 2 decades now.
Only now that that AI, programming, and super computation --- two/three sides of the same coin, if you will ---- are maturing to a point where complex programs are able to make self-correction and improvement without humans putting every small in-put by hand.
If you asked CHATGPT or BARD/GEMINI to do calculus or chemistry, when they first came out, a lot of times, those programs churned out very wrong, nonsensical answers.
Right now, after just 2 iterations, they are already very good.
Math problems are easy to see why improvements could be done so quickly; but a lot of Chemistry problems, however, are haphazardly WORDED word problems, with only the most rudimentary numbers... and, yet, these programs could follow our non-concise VERBAL DESCRIPTIONS good enough to churn out perfectly good, fast answers!
I was surprised when it could do chemistry problems, with molecular compounds written rather haphazardly in letters and numbers in very minimally standardize manners...
Imagine how good they'd be in another 15 - 20 years, of constant improvement!
Ditto for AI.
@@mikewaterfield3599 but you can kill a pilot.
Yes, and no. The structure has its limit as well and maintaining energy and speed is more important than pulling more Gs in today’s combat.
Remember folks, there are over a thousand operational F-16's that are going to be replaced by the F-35. They got to do something with them...
Send them to Ukraine?
We were buying drones for the F-35. Why not have the F-35 and NGAD fly automated F-16’s alongside the drones?
@@techinrl9869 I would think they would make pretty good decoys to draw attention away from the stealth aircraft.
@@mikeharvey9184 Makes me wonder how good the AI is. It could probably shoot down whatever enemy pilot goes after it, making it more of an extra combat aircraft than a decoy. And it could probably spin and weave so well while ignoring G-forces that it could dodge missiles without chaff and flares.
@@techinrl9869 all the reasons you state are why I think it would be a good decoy… maybe “Crazy Weasel” could be the new term for it. Similar in principle to the Wild Weasel role, but bonus points that it could also draw the attention and engage enemy fighters.
Imagine the raptor with ai, man. That sounds truly terrifying.
Even the Raptor may have issues versus an X-62A considering it isn't a regular F-16D. It's been upgraded with a new engine with more power and 360° thrust vectoring paired with state of the art avionics allowing it to be flown by AI but also mimic the flight characteristics of any jet in the air (including the raptor). It's so unique that the raptor will never get an AI pilot, however the NGAD fighter in development that's slated to replace the F-22 most likely will.
Whenever you see the Skunk on the side of a jet fighter the enemy better beware.
I'm more afraid that somedays somebody is just going to say send in the drones, to pacify the area,
AI controlled F35 or F22s would be almost impossible to kill
2:51 the moment you see the "skunk" on there, You know it is serious.
There were a total of 5 dogfights between AI and and pilot with no limits placed on either. AI won all 5.
Those results aren’t public, and if you know them, something tells me you wouldn’t be talking about it for the sake of your security clearance….. the 5 you’re talking about were in the sim not the real life trials.
It was published in an article I read. It was an anonymous source so take it with a grain of salt but it was in the real life trials. That's why I specified that both planes had no restrictions and there were only 5 of them.
Thats what i was trying to say
One step closer to skynet.
We will either create skynet, Cyclons, or Hal 9000, or maybe iRobot and V.I.K.I. I guess there is little difference. Humans are bent on self destruction.
"Ace combat is unrealistic" US air force's honest reaction :
Real
Russia and China thinking they pushing the limits with ballistic missiles they try to write off as hypersonic missiles meanwhile America making terminator f16s to win every air battle … we aren’t the same
Who says the US did not try it's hand at Hypersonic Missiles? You would be naive to believe that.
Pretty sure they’re doing the same. China’s AI just beat the cutting edge AI that we in the US currently have.
Also, what they’re doing with hypersonic missiles, are objectively hypersonic.
@@Machiavelli2pc go watch habitual line crosser. He’s in the military and his job revolves around Patriot missiles and intercept missiles in general. There’s a huge leap in what they say it is and what it actually does. If you’re going to allow for “any missile that goes hypersonic for any amount of time” then America has had that since the 1940s. If your talking about the thing that would be the actual new and difficult thing to event of a missile that could maneuver at hypersonic speed then nobody has it. It’s cheaper and better to have a missile you can’t see coming then one you can that’s slightly harder to hit.
As for them doing the same in ai … well they would have been using it for propaganda if they were even attempting to and failing to do so. The fact that we have this coming out from America after the testing phase is basically done means if it had to be we could probably put it to use on stealth jets … so we could be a generation ahead and a technological advantage above. The gap for those who aren’t America has widened massively from this
@@Machiavelli2pc
You must be a Wu'''mao. China can't even make microchips that AI used how is china be''at American AI? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
What copium
These recent episodes are fantastic Tog! Not sure if you've taken on some additional help - or are just now able to demonstrate your super skills. Excellent information and fabulous production. A pleasure to watch.
Tough ask for a pilot to fight against an equal aircraft, but one that’s so much lighter without the human systems and it’s g-tolerance being the structural limit of the aircraft.
You can't let them get airborne and in their element.
Gründer: oh yeah, everythings coming together
😂😂😂. What you mean Belka was involved? 😂😂😂
No Pwoblemo.
An AI is great in whatever you program it to do, but it’s stuck inside that box. Also, it cannot reason like a human being. A human pilot with an AI helper could be the greatest tool in air combat.
AI is not "taking over." They are still just "prediction engines." They cannot reason, think, or feel. Even dog fighting is nothing but being able to predict what your opponent will do next and then when they do something, anything, decide what is most likely that they will do next. Nice Win Vista dig. :D
Does it concern you that the humans at the top of the decision tree suffer human vices and make decisions directing the use of A.I. in support of or against others?
You would be a great ai programmer and developer
This is a good example of the F-16’s capabilities but I don’t think the same can be said about other airframes
Its safe to say its a stepping stone for future drone designs to be able to pull more complex maneuvers but there will most likely always be a human in a “mothership” to control those drones or at least keep watch
Which is part of the B21's sale actually as the first 6th generation. She can command drone swarms, is large enough to house a double flight crew, allowing fresh brains to always be at the helm to play QB
The F16 was designed to live at 9Gs comfortably, but the limit is the human.
The same F-16 with thrust vectoring... and now, AI? Kinda seems unfair. Adding the ccv's canards would've been redundant maneuverability overkill but gawk factor galory, nonetheless.
The advent of AI technology in next gen fighter aircraft is welcomed and insane at the same time. Will factor out human error, yet at the same time, become an adversary worst nightmare.
And now we're bringing back the F16Xl as the f36 Kingsnake (potentially)
Now that the A.I. is performing insane monuverablilities that surpass any human physical capabilities, its going to be even more wonderful to learn what the F-16 is capable of doing in a airshow using A.I. to pilot the aircrafts.
AI in air superiority and other roles is a must. Pilot retention and recruitment is becoming a liability to our national security. Another insightful and relevant post Juan.
Thank you Scott!
Wait... If AI F16s were sent to ukraine, they could fly (and be tested in conbat) and not be US direct combat
everybody gangsta until the ADF-11F becomes real
Arpanet was the grandfather of the internet, used by government/defense/universities since the 60s
Very professional looking video. You did an awesome job
The possibility of a drone A10 terrifies me.
Thank you Juan for your awesome work, rock on man.
Very interesting. Thanks for the news. Things are moving faster than we realize and it's getting incremental and hard to keep up with!
My dad for 2 years worked on a DARPA oversight project. Everyday he would go in and pull a derpy employees file out of a file cabinet review the project he was working on and make suggestions for continuing education to to more guarantee success of the project. He had to be extremely intelligent and understand everything.
This thing just went over my area a few hours ago I got a few photos with my 250 zoom Canon T6I
Very cool! If you can post the pics I’d love to see them!
@@PilotPhotog they are a long reach only identifiable. If you're on X or the like I'll get it transferred over.
@@JSFGuy yep I’m on X same handle as here: PilotPhotog
@@PilotPhotog Aight, I may have found and followed already. You will know when I post. Have to transfer the traditional way with the card plugged into the laptop.
@@JSFGuy all good man, thanks!
Somebody needs to call trigger cz this shits gonna get real.
The F-16 once hand the moniker, “The Electric Jet.”
Hasn't anyone watched the Terminator????? HELLO! 😂
Loved the small skunk painted on the starboard tail of the Vista. A tribute to the "skunk works" of my youth, I presume?
Braking the three laws is a very unintelligent thing to do. Further more space is different all together. We should maintain AI as a tool nothing more.
Wait until AI Figures out, it doesn't need humans anymore...what could go wrong... bye human
I foresee the air force and navy buying thousands of stripped down f-16 type drones
I hope at some point the pilot in the manned aircraft said, "Youth and good coding are no match for experience and treachery."
*spills hot chocolate from mug*
a-aw h-he-hell na-ah
*ac7 ptsd*
a pilot who drone controls a f16 would also have an edge : no g force
"The F-16 is only using 40% of its capability"
The F-16's designed ultimate load is 150% of the 9g rated load, or 13.5G's at combat weight. Past that, its wings will snap off.
Sustained 13.5 g no pilot on Earth wants to fly against this thing
If there were no human pilots in an F-16... What kind of G-forces could the aircraft itself sustain without causing damage?
One. Million. Gees
12+ Gs.
Loved this video! Please try to stay up on any updates. Would love to know the outcome of the in-flight test
"Who's behind this revolution?" The Belkans, obviously.
Who would have thought?
If the good guy's aircraft and the bad guy's aircraft are both controlled by the same Ai, would both aircraft fly to a tie and release this data: the only winning move is not to play.
@@JamesTaylor-tu6in... with Dr. Stephen Falken looking on as they figure that out.
my question would be would this system be able to tell the difference between a fighter jet vs a commercial passenger jet? and have they tested it yet to see if the system can tell the difference
This will lead to a total redesign of fighter jets, where it will be about pushing the hardware to the limits without having to worry about pilots.
Thanks for this 👍✈️
Glad you enjoyed it!
Now imagine adding AI to the F-15 STOL/MTD thrust vectoring
I see a place for them, running deceptive measures, however I believe that when it comes to the option of ending lives or not , that should be left solely on a pilot... the Falcon just seemed the obvious aircraft for this do to its FBW technology which was way ahead of its time...
An ai powered f16 is next gonna be an arsenal bird? That would be awesome!
Is there any info how much Computing Power this thing has? :D
Awesome video mate!
❤❤❤❤❤ AI in warfare is a force multiplier
Now that such programs are becoming a reality it becomes scary to think about what it would do if it were left alone.
EDI is coming.
Will not be long before they try Ai vs Ai dog fights
Now just think when President Eisenhower had that meeting with the Gray's 😮😮😮
Would this mean the F-16 could pull beyond its 9-G limit considering the human factor is out of the equation?
It reminds me of the movie called “Stealth” with Jamie Fox acting in it.!!!
The brand new plane was called “EDI” etc
With the governors off that aircraft is dangerous. 😊
its a good thing dogfighting doesnt exist anymore , in the end bombs beat AI everytime.
日本の航空領域に侵入近い他国耤の戦闘機に対して人工知能で接近させて注意を自動的に促す仕掛け作りがあっても良さそうですね、仮想空間で学習させて移植できるまでそう遠くはないと思いました❤
What's the point of disclosing the first AI vs human dog fight if you have no clue as to the outcome?
Chatgpt: built by DARPA
AI f16: military industrial complex flex.
Loyal wingman program in training.
Great episode! Which in my fiction the main boss AI of the setting was inocuslly placed in the USAF academy combat sims by the US gov to test him in combat but also find canidits for the gen 6 hypersonic fighter program by well letting him cheat as the only thing he is best at is hacking not pilotry... A fragment of the AI will however be one of the best pilots of ww3(2024-2025) in a New York Air national guard Reaper drone able to kill littlery anything he wanted and he did it two hell firs at a time. And would get modifications to his frame to turn his reaper into an air sumpremcy fighter which would be the basis of the front line fighters moving on in the setting.
With this being about autonomy of vehicles, I'm surprised no DARPA connection to development of autonomous vehicles.
There isaverybig difference between ChatGPT LLM and the advanced automation (aka AI) Used in that fighter jet
have the ace combat doesn't warn us enough of ai piloting fighter jet?
We can now have a crew of ai for our space craft pretty soon at this rate ❤
Ace combat Zero to Ace combat 5 wasn't a game but to Collect flight Data for A.I. to fly like the "player 1" during your time in digital campaign. You the "player" controlling the plane while A.I. continues to analyze and observed your flight data as you continue to fight your way through harsh battles.
as we all giggled at terminator. skynet etc. hmmm its here
Hasnt gonky, wait no was another youtuber, been on record saying that he foight an ai f16 a decade ago. Said it beat him 10 years ago.
The reason 'why' removing the US is no ones top priority. We push the boundaries and do all the work that keeps the technology progressing far beyond what is capable of by all others. Cheaper and easier to steal it, or be close friends with a get pieces here and there, than invest the time and coin to do what you can't do yourself.
In other words, they might be geopolitically annoying, but their usefulness makes it easier to overlook that flaw.
I think the ai still to new to be replacement for pilot
Agreed, but this is definitely a first step - not saying I want that to happen anytime soon, but this is certainly a historic moment. Thanks for commenting!
With today's and future missiles isn't dogfighting going to be something of the past most will be BVR fights
A jet that can see 360 degrees all the time in most wavelengths inc radar range/visible light and also extremely pull high gs 's isn't getting knocked by a non ai stealth craft. It'll react very rapidly to those bvr missiles and save itself. It may not be able to take out the stealth planes but those stealth crafts won't be able to to stop it's penetration, only slow it down and it'll still hit it's ground targets
So when do we find out how the dog fight went? I know in simulation , the AI won 10 of 10 , 2 -5 fight rounds
No one dogfights if they can do anything about it.
Can you even imagine to out manage in BFM A I
Daunting challenge I assure you in every aspect corner sustained energy states.
Freaking awesome talk about kicking puppies.
AI is not effected by excessive G's where humans are.
AI plane would probably enable a return of ball turret design in air superiority fighter. Currently it's too much workload for a pilot to aim and fly maneuver at the same time, so you end up have to rely on tricky maneuver to aim your gun to the target and avoid getting aim. But AI wouldnt have such attention limitation, they could probably aim a ball turret and shoot toward the back of the plane even if it was flying forward. Effectively the plane become a mini b-2 flying fortress that can engage target at any direction. Although fixed mount cannon of fighter plane usually have longer range than ball turret machine gun. The traditional dog fight trade off would probably change dramatically if they design airplane that take advantage of AI's unique property
Data Collection for the Royal Wingman Drones.
Ohhh boy because I don’t see any other country doing this….
A dogfight between AI and a human doesn't seem fair because the human is limited to how much g his/her body can handle and for how long
Finally we have the pilot above all human limitations!
AI is building up their species and civilization. Should two civilization collide? It would not be like cold war but more like mutiny, french revolution?
what J20??? What SU57??? sit down
Skynet is about to go live
Where's Arnie ???
fascinating! I see where this is going. the F-16 has already been performance limited to the pilot's body. an adversary will have no chance if that limit can be removed to the structural limit of even this 50 year old aircraft. plus, protecting the pilot is no longer a concern so greater risks can be taken that the adversary can ill afford. pilots can still add human intuition by coordinating missions remotely while the AI perfectly executes the tactics. adversaries will eventually copy this. by then we'll again be a step, preferably two, ahead. I may have gripes but I ❤America 🇺🇸
How is is this better than some form of advanced virtual reality controlled by a pilot on the ground .. seems much simpler and safer and accomplishes the same tasks
No, that is impractical because it relies on radio transmission to the aircraft, which would be prone to interference.
It's a drone, isn't it?
It’s finally happened?
lol no this is old technology, my friend
US military technology is only released to civilian eyes when in development for at least 10 to 20 years if not more. This is common place.
F-16 is 50 years old as of this year 2024 -DARPA
This is one Step where there is no room for any error. AI IS A VERY ADVANCED RADAR SYSTEM AND KEEP THE PILOT AWAKE DURING DOGFIGHTS. TOTALLY 💯 UNBELIEVABLE TO DATE.
DARPA, NASA, Shōji Kawamori, it’s been a thought for so long, that it feels we are behind in AI but there is no rush. Remember, in Macross Plus, the AI Sharon Apple took over the Ghost, and the planetary defense network. 😉
DARPA, the creator of the internet!
Oh Boi, Witchcraft again
The push for these AI Programs have been around since the first Computers. These Systems will truly be the death of mankind....
If you watch to many Hollywood movies than yea