I like it doesn't just reference canon but has set so much up. We've seen the moment the Frengi agreed to sign up the federation, the return of characters, the expansion on the lore of Orions. Its done more for fleshing out established Star Trek then some past series. Like, the great thing about this series is it is a peek behind the curtains at Starfleets supporting ships and their roles, which gave us the path to seeing expansion on existing races. This is important as most Star Trek species are like "today we're going to planet..." and thats it, U never see them again. We've even had the Pakleds expanded upon and had a glimpse on how a race thats simple can actually be a threat in the long game. The people who knock it, do so because they just don't want to like it anyway. And its not like we didn't have humour in the past... The famous "I know this ship like the back of my hand..." comment followed by a knocked out Scotty is the best example, but theres also things like him saying not knowing how to use a computer in the 20th century and walking up to going "computer..." then picking up a mouse and speaking into that like a mic before he finally has a keyboard handed to him and he realises how to interact with 20th century tech. Or Picard drawing face in a cloud, Captains Day with Riker mocking Picard's tiny little doll... The baseball episode of DS9... Its always been there this sense of humour because it lets the audience know that while there is a element of seriousness to the series, the people are professional, they are still human beings. For every moment where someone phases through and dies in the floor, theres a moment with a hologram of Kia with Quark's face.
@@thomasjp1985worse, they accuse LD of not knowing any ST knowledge. Apparently all the easter eggs and deliberate callbacks don't count (wikifarming).
@@AngelEmfrbl It fits in the idea of the support second contact fleet. While others explore and study, they acrually get to interact and use the knowledge to expand it further. And as you said, they do the exact same thing for StarTerk as a whole, covering holes and cleaning the mess of the first appearances
@@AngelEmfrbl probably should think of other ways to produce content than directly ripping copyrighted material - but in this context the argument of fair use for news discussion is valid…
I like that it adds to the lore since not a lot of non-human species have a lot of variety in their looks like different races/ethnicities within the species. They basically all look the same with very little, if any variation, to their looks or culture. Makes them feel less fleshed out.
Best part; we now can accept there are Blue skinned Orions who mispronounce their own species name , meaning the lore on Orions just got expanded again.
"We're going to leave this planet of drug dealers and their other victims to sit and spin... and... WAIT... Lower Decks, why are you bringing them back?! They were supposed to be a one off!" Honestly though... that one planet from TNG with the supersoldiers who were being kept in luxury prisons because they couldn't be rehabilitated to normal life is the planet I'm hoping showed up at some point.
Sadly its ending but they will do more afterwards, their not sure if its a film, live action or animation The cast want to revise their characters and Bolmier's is up to play him for the next 17 years.
Nah, it's because they're technically no longer lower decks. They're all lieutenants now. They get their own quarters. They will need to fill that fun gap badly though.
Oh God the Blue Orion's are actually are canon and had been around for decades! lower decks is awesome for mining more obscure trek lore! I thought they were meant to be some kind of intentional cheesy joke about sexism but they're actually exist within the lore, lower decks references stuff that not even I don't remember or didn't know existed.
Haven’t seen this episode but I think they’re implying they’re the same SPECIES just a different RACE. Like how we have black and white people here on Earth with different accents and culture.
Lower Decks is the ONLY show of New Trek to actually respect the franchise and canon. I can't tell you how GREAT it is to see many of the old planets and characters coming back, and getting to find out what happened with them.
A continuity error is not a plot hole. Blue skin or green skin, the pronunciation of Oreos or Orions, neither of these affect the plots in the slightest.
It's not even a continuity error. Only English pronounces "Orion" like "o-ryan." Every other language it's "ore-eon", Spanish, Greek, Romanian, they all pronounce it the same way. The director of that TAS episode just happened to be an immigrant. If anything this just shows how unworldly the vid-maker is.
Part of the problem was the animated series wasn't fact checked and the voice actors didn't know how to pronounce words. It was slapped together cheaply and sort of in a hurry to fill avoid. IT wasn't canon enough as a consequences. At the time, however, no one knew Star Trek would be around 50 years later. These days, its regarded as semi-canon because there *are* elements that are accepted as canon and non-canon mixed together in together.
@@akizeta It reminds me of Pokemon, when 4kids had the show, there wasn't an establish correct pronunciation of the games pokemon. Now they make sure there is and everything is consistent. It wasn't important early on in the franchise, same with Star Trek. When they were interacting with actors in live action, they did have some control, but animation was reading from the script. The guy who VA'ed Arex likely said the wrong word pronunciation and the rest copied him because they were all there in the studio and didn't question it.
Arex is a Edosian. (edit: to be fair, there has only been 4 of them in the franchise and three were in Lower Decks and of those 3 only Toz was the only other one to be named) I actually played a character that was a Edosian myself for the Star Trek Adventures TTRPG.
While it doesn't address why TAS had the Enterprise crew Oryons, maybe the pronunciation is like the name Roosevelt. Some folks say Ro-se-velt, while others say it like Roo-se-velt.
Personally, I would have gone with 'Oryons' being the males and are blue, while 'Orions' are the women and are green. But the gendering of other languages are a mystery to most Americans, so it probably wouldn't have flown.
One of the things I love about Lower Decks is how they poke fun at Star Trek history, while never forgetting they ARE a Star Trek show lol
One reason why I love the episode Twovix; it's clearly making fun of Star Trek Voyager's asinine elements while still respecting it.
Also making plausible reasons, for most the plot holes that the show keeps sweep under the rug.
Lower decks respects canon so much that they go out of their way to fix the problems of the past
Yet some people think it deliberately insults it.
I like it doesn't just reference canon but has set so much up. We've seen the moment the Frengi agreed to sign up the federation, the return of characters, the expansion on the lore of Orions. Its done more for fleshing out established Star Trek then some past series. Like, the great thing about this series is it is a peek behind the curtains at Starfleets supporting ships and their roles, which gave us the path to seeing expansion on existing races. This is important as most Star Trek species are like "today we're going to planet..." and thats it, U never see them again. We've even had the Pakleds expanded upon and had a glimpse on how a race thats simple can actually be a threat in the long game.
The people who knock it, do so because they just don't want to like it anyway.
And its not like we didn't have humour in the past... The famous "I know this ship like the back of my hand..." comment followed by a knocked out Scotty is the best example, but theres also things like him saying not knowing how to use a computer in the 20th century and walking up to going "computer..." then picking up a mouse and speaking into that like a mic before he finally has a keyboard handed to him and he realises how to interact with 20th century tech.
Or Picard drawing face in a cloud, Captains Day with Riker mocking Picard's tiny little doll... The baseball episode of DS9...
Its always been there this sense of humour because it lets the audience know that while there is a element of seriousness to the series, the people are professional, they are still human beings. For every moment where someone phases through and dies in the floor, theres a moment with a hologram of Kia with Quark's face.
@@thomasjp1985worse, they accuse LD of not knowing any ST knowledge. Apparently all the easter eggs and deliberate callbacks don't count (wikifarming).
@@AngelEmfrbl It fits in the idea of the support second contact fleet. While others explore and study, they acrually get to interact and use the knowledge to expand it further. And as you said, they do the exact same thing for StarTerk as a whole, covering holes and cleaning the mess of the first appearances
Unfortunately (or is it?), none of the other shows respects canon, so they have their work cut out for them.
background music needs to come down about 12dB team...
for real
Its likely been added to hide copyright issues with the clips.
@@AngelEmfrbl probably should think of other ways to produce content than directly ripping copyrighted material - but in this context the argument of fair use for news discussion is valid…
@@AngelEmfrbl Probably this horrible 16-bit video game techno-trash does not need to be blasted this loudly.
In the process, they added YET MORE lore to the Orions, as if Season 4 didn't add enough new lore to them.
One more good reason to keep lower decks alive.
I like that it adds to the lore since not a lot of non-human species have a lot of variety in their looks like different races/ethnicities within the species. They basically all look the same with very little, if any variation, to their looks or culture. Makes them feel less fleshed out.
Imagine some alien being confused at how Picard and Sisko are from the same species if their skin color is different
@@ytmndman Exactly.
Lower decks continues to address and fix the dumb choices that were mentioned once and then brushed away because they had no way to explain it
Best part; we now can accept there are Blue skinned Orions who mispronounce their own species name , meaning the lore on Orions just got expanded again.
"We're going to leave this planet of drug dealers and their other victims to sit and spin... and... WAIT... Lower Decks, why are you bringing them back?! They were supposed to be a one off!"
Honestly though... that one planet from TNG with the supersoldiers who were being kept in luxury prisons because they couldn't be rehabilitated to normal life is the planet I'm hoping showed up at some point.
This is what makes "Lower Decks" the efin' best of all Star Treks.
I hope they renew Lower Decks instead of ending it
Sadly its ending but they will do more afterwards, their not sure if its a film, live action or animation
The cast want to revise their characters and Bolmier's is up to play him for the next 17 years.
50 years 1 month and 17 days to fix... in the industry this one is called a quick fix 🤣
People said The Orville was true trek, But the reality is that Lower Decks has been Treks salvation. Which is why they are taking it away from us.
Nah, it's because they're technically no longer lower decks. They're all lieutenants now. They get their own quarters.
They will need to fill that fun gap badly though.
@@kylemclauchlan4154 How about the sequel series, Star Trek: Upper Decks?
Both are pretty good I'd say
@@killingragethrowback Would you settle for a sequel... episode??
Five seasons and success is a great run for a show. I'm glad for what we got.
Lower Decks is the most intensely Trek of any Trek incarnation, and that includes TOS.
Oh God the Blue Orion's are actually are canon and had been around for decades! lower decks is awesome for mining more obscure trek lore! I thought they were meant to be some kind of intentional cheesy joke about sexism but they're actually exist within the lore, lower decks references stuff that not even I don't remember or didn't know existed.
Haven’t seen this episode but I think they’re implying they’re the same SPECIES just a different RACE. Like how we have black and white people here on Earth with different accents and culture.
Sooo, subspecies?
I wonder if lower decks will address the issue with admiral Robert April lol.( I mean I know they won't but that is a big elephant in the room)
I'm here for lower decks being used to fix every plot and continuity hole
As a person actually named Orion I can confirm you don't need to retconn it. Everyone pronounces it wrong. Every. Goddamn. Time.
Hell yeah! well put together
Lower Decks is the ONLY show of New Trek to actually respect the franchise and canon.
I can't tell you how GREAT it is to see many of the old planets and characters coming back, and getting to find out what happened with them.
But what about the pink tribbles in More Tribbles, more troubles? Not to mention the pink uniforms.
(I know, the Art Director was colour blind...)
wait episode 2 is already out?
Star Trek online still needs to add those costumes for Orion characters. I want the jumpsuit.
Music wasn't loud enough, I could still tell it was kirk speaking. Don't know what he said
the music is obnoxious
Well said. However, by holy Klono's gadolinium guts and curving carbolloy claws, turn down the background music!
Could you make the music louder please?
I almost had to listen to the dialogue.
My favorite Star Trek show! Go Lower Decks!
A continuity error is not a plot hole. Blue skin or green skin, the pronunciation of Oreos or Orions, neither of these affect the plots in the slightest.
It's not even a continuity error. Only English pronounces "Orion" like "o-ryan." Every other language it's "ore-eon", Spanish, Greek, Romanian, they all pronounce it the same way. The director of that TAS episode just happened to be an immigrant.
If anything this just shows how unworldly the vid-maker is.
Part of the problem was the animated series wasn't fact checked and the voice actors didn't know how to pronounce words. It was slapped together cheaply and sort of in a hurry to fill avoid. IT wasn't canon enough as a consequences. At the time, however, no one knew Star Trek would be around 50 years later. These days, its regarded as semi-canon because there *are* elements that are accepted as canon and non-canon mixed together in together.
@@dataportdoll Well, it's an English-speaking series, and it's pronounced two different ways in TOS and TAS, so, yah, it's discontinuous.
@@akizeta It reminds me of Pokemon, when 4kids had the show, there wasn't an establish correct pronunciation of the games pokemon. Now they make sure there is and everything is consistent. It wasn't important early on in the franchise, same with Star Trek. When they were interacting with actors in live action, they did have some control, but animation was reading from the script. The guy who VA'ed Arex likely said the wrong word pronunciation and the rest copied him because they were all there in the studio and didn't question it.
there are green Oreos, the mint ones, hence Oreons, which is the favored food on Orion
Was the three-armed ensign the first appearance of Species 8472?
Arex is a Edosian. (edit: to be fair, there has only been 4 of them in the franchise and three were in Lower Decks and of those 3 only Toz was the only other one to be named)
I actually played a character that was a Edosian myself for the Star Trek Adventures TTRPG.
While it doesn't address why TAS had the Enterprise crew Oryons, maybe the pronunciation is like the name Roosevelt. Some folks say Ro-se-velt, while others say it like Roo-se-velt.
It's possibly linguistic as well, Blue Orion's might have their own dialect of the Orion language.
A little advice: next time make the unnecessary backgroud music louder. In this video I can still barely hear the clips.
This is awesome!
I haven’t heard from you Michael. Are you ok????
This would be so much better without the annoying music.
what happened what about yout church content on other youtube channel
Personally, I would have gone with 'Oryons' being the males and are blue, while 'Orions' are the women and are green. But the gendering of other languages are a mystery to most Americans, so it probably wouldn't have flown.
That is actually a pretty clever idea. I like it.
Green Orion males have already shown up in Trek canon, mostly on Enterprise. You'd just be adding another plot hole.
@@BlackoutCreature Oh yeah... Still I do like the idea.
@@BlackoutCreature Not a plot hole, just a continuity error.
LOWER THE DAM MUSIC!!!!
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Have i ever told.you what you can do with an aluminum tube! Aluminum!
@@trowawayacc Have I ever told you what you can do with tubes! Tubes! >:-D
Please remove the annoying uncredited background music
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