Jerry, don't forget to check the comments of previous videos, there's probably thousands of good videos you can analyze that kind of fell through the cracks because people leave comments thinking you'll see every one of them. Man, you need an assistant or something, like a cute secretary, to help you sort through all these videos.
. @@stevenseagull7589 It's in a script called 'hanacaraka' from java and says 'purwapada'. It was used before they changed to the latin alphabet. glad you like it
So regarding the referee wearing a white belt. In Vovinam, the belt colours have been arranged in a manner to signify how close the art of Vovinam is to you. It goes as follows: 1. Light Blue: To signify that Vovinam is out there somewhere in the oceans. 2. Deep Blue: To signify that Vovinam is now in shallower waters and closer to you. 3. Yellow: Used to signify that Vovinam is in your skin. 4. Red: Signifies that Vovinam is in your Blood. 5. White: Used to symbolise that Vovinam is now in your bones. The White belt in Vovinam is used to signify a grandmaster and the art has no black belts. White is the highest rank you can achieve.
@@reinoIX3 Exactly! The last time I checked Vovinam out, you guys had a Black Belt! I think it used to symbolise the hair. I was wondering where it went when I was confirming my sources this time around.
was made by my parents to practice vovinam when I was a kid. Years down the road practiced Shotokan Karate as an adult. Many of the moves and forms are actually very similar including the throws/takedowns. Even if vovinam is Vietnamese "kung fu" it plays out more similarly to Karate than msot forms of modern Kung Fu. And yes, Vietnamese does have a large % of Chinese-based loan words. However, these are msotly from Old/Middle Chinese from the Southern regions and many words have evolved to be very different from modern Chinese equivalents. Speakers of Cantonese or other southern languages might be able to pick up words more easily than a Mandarin speaker. As a decent Viet speaker, I can pick up some Cantonese words but am clueless with Mandarin.
Heavy contact should be done from time to time but with helmets, gloves, foot pads and body shields. Medium contact sparring also exists in which strikes are felt, but not hard enough to hurt.
This is pretty slick. Vovinam guy is using the wrestling and Judo techniques that are incorporated into the system. If you notice, Vovinam likes to try to catch kicks and knock the opponent off balance in order to take the fight to the ground.
@@SandBorrito There is a Vovinam vs Muay Thai video, and the Vovinam guy catches the kicks and either counters or throws the opponent. It looks pretty slick. Imagine training to learn the timing on that. I'm still waiting for FCBD to upload it.
Wing Chun is pronounced Vịnh Xuân in Vietnamese. And you are right, Vietnamese Wing Chun is influenced by Vietnamese traditional martial art styles (Vovinam is one of them) so they do tend to incorporate more practical moves and spar more. And fun fact: Vietnamese is most similar to Cantonese in term of both pronunciation and grammar. And you are right, about 60-70% of Vietnamese vocabulary is from Chinese. And actually Vietnam used to use a very similar writing system to China called Hán-Nôm (like Japan right now) until about a hundred year ago when we switched to a Latin alphabet influenced writing system called Chữ Quốc Ngữ. Thank you for the commentary. Big fan of you from Vietnam. Stay safe and keep up the awesome work man!
1, stop BS, vietnam never had martial art, so called " vitnamese martial arts" are just chinese kungfu brought in by chinese immigrants, vietnam was part of china for more than 1200 years, 2, cantonese is not similar to vietnamese, vietnamese sounds similar to cantonese is because in ancient time, most chinese live in vietnam was from canton province of china, also the fact is many chinese dilalect has similar sound , because its anicent sound of chinese , cantonese is just one of dialect that retain lots of anicent chinese pronuciation, 3 han nom is not used widely in vietnam in history, the official writing system in vietnam before french colonized vietnam was chinese, han nam was only used by a small goup of interlectualls in vietnam, most vietanmese do not know han nam, and also han nam was a writing system created by a chinese officer who was governer of vietnam , at his time, vietnam was a prefecture of china
I am a Vovinam instructor. Vovinam is a mix of traditional Vietnamese martial arts, traditional Vietnamese wrestling, Taijiquan, Baguazhang, Muay Thai, Savate, western boxing, western wrestling, White Crane Kungfu, Japanese Jiujitsu, and some traditional Okinawan karate. We also learn multiple weapons, and firearms. Vovinam has a lot of kicks, submissions, takedowns, and joint locks. Vietnamese is very different from the different Chinese languages (the main Chinese languages are Mandarin and Cantonese). The 60% lexicon being from southern Chinese languages happened after the fall of Au Lac.
Grand Master Nguyen Loc, Founder of Vovinam, was the Traditional Vietnamese Martial Art master who also learned, simplified and adapted different forms and techniques from other fighting styles like Boxing, Wresting, Judo, Aikido, Taekwondo ... into Vovinam. In the first 6 months, besides simple techniques for self defense, the beginners had to learn how to roll (the core technique of Traditional MA), fall and throw (simple Judo) on CONCRETE (not on the mats like in modern MA schools).
As far as I know (from some Hung Gar sparring and teaching from my sifu), the lead hand is not only for jab or only striking, it's used both as your attack and first defense (in case u miss the first defence, ur back hand can then be used, in case of good defence, u can use it to graple the opppnent ) so the wing chun guy was probably trying to measure his opponent at first, trying to understand his moves while behind his "shield". The main mistakes that this wing chun guy happens to have are ones that almost all kung fu practioners I met have or once had before (I'm the one who stills has): 1st. Being too static, it makes your body cold and less reactive, my sifu always told us to understand when to move and when to stop, somewhere between what boxers do and what we see in Ip Man film (also, in Hung Gar, the fighting stance is really similar to Wing Chun's one). 2nd: Not circling, that's the basis of Kung Fu, no matter what style you practice, you should always circle your opponent and as easy as it sounds, everyone who ever practiced somekind of good combat sport knows how hard it is to master this. Those both points I struggle with till today and are probably the most common mistakes I've seen in all my sparrings. For some sparring/fighting footage of where I use to train and its own tournament: ua-cam.com/video/l4nOwS838Gs/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/VX_dkssnFCE/v-deo.html I do think many people will enjoy them.
@michaelnguyen940 is that in one spot though? Cuz technically given how large the US is, they would be much less concentrated. Unless he grew up specifically in a Vietnamese neighborhood, that shouldn't change much.
@@michaelnguyen940 and either way the initial comment is still totally wrong that he trained vovinam in Vietnam, which is the point I really cared about
Vovinam was designed for street fighting. It was a martial art used heavily against thr French during Vietnamese independence and against the Thais during the Vietnam war. It's more or less like MMA.
@@BZY-bu9wr MMA is literally mixed martial arts. It's not a single style, it pick up some of this and some of that from a bunch of different martial arts. and vovinam is kinda like that too, Vovinam is a mix of traditional Vietnamese martial arts, traditional Vietnamese wrestling, Taijiquan, Baguazhang, Muay Thai, Savate, western boxing, western wrestling, White Crane Kungfu, Japanese Jiujitsu, and some traditional Okinawan karate. We also learn multiple weapons, and firearms. Vovinam has a lot of kicks, submissions, takedowns, and joint locks.. So yeah, it's Asia MMA
Wing Tsun guy has some surprisingly good kicks. He probably isn't a purist. The other guy has some awesome sweeps. Simple yet effective. Imagine this is a street fight, each such sweep could be fight ending.
The lead hand in wing chun is man sau. This hand means asking hand. It’s use to control the adversary’s bridge and the other hand to strike. When closing the gap three things work together. 1. The closing the gap 2. Trapping the wrist 3. Attacking with the free hand.
@6:12 it is a very smooth takedown, but let's not overlook how smoothly the wing chun guy feel and landed. Out of all the takedowns to this point, he only landed hard once.
Sometimes for competition we switch out to white and blue belts or something like that. Maybe the ref was fighting earlier and thats why his belt is white.
I think with this, the Wing Chun guy was actually learning to adapt his movement and actually learn while he fought the Vovinam guy. It's quite interesting but you can tell that he was doing this cause he started immitating the Vovinam guy.
Technically yes, Vietnamese do have a lot of loan words from China, but, the Vietnamese people don’t use those words in “daily” speech. For example: Dragon= 龍 (Long)=Long Yes, Long means dragon in viet as well, but we would use the word “rồng” in everyday speech. Another example: Turtle= 龜(GUI)= Qui Yes turtle have a very similar pronunciation , but we use the word “rùa” in every day speech. The list goes on.
Back in the early 2000s bullshido.net was born. They outed fake masters and it was alright. But most of the forumites were Muay Thai and Jiu Jitsu although their founding members were Kung Fu and all of them had the idea side kicks were useless. It was until Cung Le came along that they were proved wrong.
The side kicks my favorite technique when i worked at a tire shop some tires didnt want to come off when i tool off lugs so when boss wasnt looking i would give it a quick side kick and it would pop off lmao
I’m learning both Mandarin and Vietnamese. Lately, I’ve been focusing on Mandarin. I think you’ll pick it up quick. There’s 5 tones, but you gotta choose if you wanna learn Northern or Southern accent.
So here in Vietnam, vovinam is more comparable to kickboxing than kung fu. One would say it would be similar to muay thai, combining strikes, kicks, takedowns and submissions. I don't know much else other than the fact that it does have a following here and its more promoted compared to other martial arts.
This was a great kung fu martial arts fight/ vovinam looks very complete for a tradutional martial art and looks like some of its principal could be use in self defense and cage fighting
I think wing chun could be effective however its far from a complete system and its only useful in certain situations not something i will like as my main martial art but i can see it being useful in punching countering and blocking with correct sparring
When I trained in Wing chun there was a big emphasis on the doing everything in ' Yee Jee Kim Yeung Ma' which should have helped to have better footwork against take-downs, but maybe the WC guy was just nervous?
Wing chun stance is about keeping your opponent in a range that will let you parry/block their attacks. the thing is that they usually have bad footwork, but this guy actually had something there haha~
Vovinam/Viet vo Dao was invited during the french colonization and played a huge role in overthrowing it. So it's faily young compare to the wing chan since not many were aware its existance. It's based on soft and hard principle. While it's similar to the kung fu, it is known for deadly acrobat moves and close combat like the penkat silat. It also enable the fighters to endure the pain as a way to become stronger
The question you have to ask yourself... which one seems more of a thread if you were to fight him. there you have your answer on what martial art ist "stronger"
In VoVietnam, White is a degrees level belt. Not all systems begin with white. Look at Kyokushin belts compared to traditional karate. Yellow is a beginner grade in Shotokan but an intermediate grade in Kyokushin etc.
4:07 hand gets grabbed rolled to elbow that's good BUT winds up clinched and would have been taken down. Why wing chun should learn grappling/wrestling
This is kindda late but vovinam is basically modernized Vietnamese traditional wrestling then it incoperate Karate, takewondo and kungfus,latter on when it start to spread,muay thai,boxing were incoperated too
White belt in vovinam, symbolizes that your martial arts is in your bones, and comes after red,, which means you have it in your blood. So the referee is far from a beginner, White is the last or second last belt i dont remember, my ex is viet
I was training Vovinam a lot of time ago (even have, first light blue belt)))) and could say that Vovinam actually absorbed a lot of from South Chinese Martial Arts (probably "absorbed" is not really good word here, in Vietnam there was just another one direction of similar Martial Arts like Wing Chun if we are not talking about some wrestling stuff which was borrowed from Judo. There were similar tiger/etc. techniques even, check Nhất Nam). We even studied leap hands technique but a bit in different way compare to Wing Chun.
I do primarily hapkido and judo, but practice a lot of muay thai and I have found that wing chun by itself is okay but when you supplement it with other things it works beautifully, I can flow from muay thai to wing chun forms and using hapkidos vast joint locks with wing Chun's trapping allows me to just flow almost... now admittedly there are plenty of times where I go drilled in the face cause of it but that's just part of the learning what works well and what doesn't 😂
My ex fiancee she use to train in vovinam she was actually pretty good at it when I spar against her I was training in kenpo at the time before I switched over to hapkido but I am now currently training in muay thai and bjj at the moment but vovinam is a very interesting martial art.
They look to be young adults, maybe late teens? hence the armor? but overall, very nicely done! Good moves, mutual respect for each other. was just thinking - getting thrown versus getting kicked and struck in the face. Both had their favorites, it seems.
The roots of Vovinam is so not Gong Fu. The roots of Vovinam overall is based in traditional Vietnamese martial arts, Savate, and Sino-Vietnamese arts.
Nice fighting. I like the way the chunner adds high kicks to Wing Chun. This makes Wing Chun waaaaay more effective and versatile than how it is otherwise. The great lack of Wing Chun is the extremely poor kicks usage. As a chunner (with a Kick Boxing background) I find this a limit for this Kung Fu style. Implementig WC with a larger set of kicks (low, middle and high) would make it by far more effective.
Vovinam is kinda like Vietnamese kickboxing with some grappling I don't know why the vovinam guy is not wearing gloves because we punch a lot in vovinam maybe because of the wing chun guy
@@htk3973 It depends on how you train. If you train more in Quyền (Forms/Kata) then yeah you pretty much do a lot of acrobatics and dancing. But if you train more in Đối Kháng (Sparring) and you will be a more effective fighter.
@@VNSnake1999 yea my vovinam in the states taught us to focus more on elbow strikes, round house kick, greco-roman wrestling and we would spar all day after practice. Our master told us to study Cung Le back in the early 2000s :p
Después de ver muchas peleas de vovinam vs otras artes marciales llegue a la condición de que el vovinam supera , al wuing Chung, sanda,boxeo, karate, taekwondo y kick boxing
Love the video, but he’s probably only crossing his feet because he’s a novice and that hasn’t been stressed in his training yet, neither has forward pressure. I’m a novice myself I just don’t want it to be blamed on the style.
See? This did seem like the Wing Chun you see in movies! You just need sparring to learn things like muscle memory on your moves and it also will make it easier to react (obviously, if you don't spar, chances are that you will not be able to react when the time of a fight comes). It's just that wing chun people are barely sparring
every time that a person pose like the blue guy, he turn himself into a wooden dummy... then doesn't matter which art the other, the red one, practices, he will logically use the pose of the blue guy, turning his own art into wing chun :D Irony of the destiny. The pose with the arm extends comes from a conventional wing chun training where the other use the bridge that you gove as a present. The pose used at a beginner wing chun level has become as THE FIGHTING POSTURE. This is ridiculous.
the wing chun practitioner seems to have more than one style, as the kicks are very close to karate, and the vovinam practitioner is not used to punching with his hands, which is favorable to the wing chun fighter, but I liked the fight even though the wing chun fighter knows how to kick better.
I think that lead hand is used in showing where the opponent is(kind of like a painter's sign!), can that be it?🤔.kly share it if you anyone has a better suggestion.🤭😆🤣👍
Sorry, I love your channel but this is not “decent wing chun” in any shape or form. You seem to get excited by the kid throwing meaningless shapes in the air or by attempted “trapping”. Firstly, wing chun “can” be used at the range he’s staying in but really it’s designed for much closer range application. Trying to use wing chun purely in long range is like taking a shotgun to a sniping competition, it doesn’t work (although there are exceptions like Qi la la). The art SHOULD work well in clinch range/chest to chest BUT the practitioner really needs to spend a lot of time in that range to get comfortable. I have been exposed to a lot of grappling/wrestling and as a result can see a LOT of this in the system (Chokes,single/double collar ties, arm drags, two on ones etc). In addition to teaching chi sao I also get my students to pummel and it really opens their eyes to the possibilities contained in the art. Trapping in the “classical” sense (Especially complex trapping combinations) only works against structures that lend themselves to those mechanics (wing chun). Trapping DOES work but in a more simplistic fashion. Also forget about trying to trap incoming blows as is usually taught, trapping from an offensive posture works better for me and once in clinch range arm ties/overhooks/wrist controls/two on ones etc all work well, to me that’s functional trapping.
You obviously have a very low understanding of the art if you believe holding your hands out in a silly wu sao/mun sao position and sticking your chin out is decent. Keep watching your ip man movies....
@@bougeac I don't like Ip Man movies for one. I explained why the guy was decent. I didn't say "great". You're right, though. I do have a poor understanding of Wing Chun, but that's because I'm not a huge connoisseur of fake and useless martial arts like Wing Chun.
Send us more clips like these please! Talk to you guys soon!
Jerry, don't forget to check the comments of previous videos, there's probably thousands of good videos you can analyze that kind of fell through the cracks because people leave comments thinking you'll see every one of them. Man, you need an assistant or something, like a cute secretary, to help you sort through all these videos.
ua-cam.com/video/dqVN3upqALk/v-deo.html here its me doing wing chun last year. Sparring lightly woth a karate style
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oh jerry plz learn vietnamese that would be soo cool actually
@@Purwapada How did you write your account name? Tell me. Please.
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@@stevenseagull7589 It's in a script called 'hanacaraka' from java and says 'purwapada'. It was used before they changed to the latin alphabet. glad you like it
So regarding the referee wearing a white belt.
In Vovinam, the belt colours have been arranged in a manner to signify how close the art of Vovinam is to you. It goes as follows:
1. Light Blue: To signify that Vovinam is out there somewhere in the oceans.
2. Deep Blue: To signify that Vovinam is now in shallower waters and closer to you.
3. Yellow: Used to signify that Vovinam is in your skin.
4. Red: Signifies that Vovinam is in your Blood.
5. White: Used to symbolise that Vovinam is now in your bones.
The White belt in Vovinam is used to signify a grandmaster and the art has no black belts. White is the highest rank you can achieve.
That’s amazing!
No not anymore, white belt is out of the system. The highest you can go is red belt
And we used to have a black belt. It's between dark blue and yellow. I got black belt in Saigon, Vietnam 2006.
@@reinoIX3 Exactly! The last time I checked Vovinam out, you guys had a Black Belt! I think it used to symbolise the hair. I was wondering where it went when I was confirming my sources this time around.
@@SomnathRoyGrimfangs yeah mate spot on. The hair it was. Guess the masters keep losing hair so.... Jk
was made by my parents to practice vovinam when I was a kid. Years down the road practiced Shotokan Karate as an adult. Many of the moves and forms are actually very similar including the throws/takedowns. Even if vovinam is Vietnamese "kung fu" it plays out more similarly to Karate than msot forms of modern Kung Fu.
And yes, Vietnamese does have a large % of Chinese-based loan words. However, these are msotly from Old/Middle Chinese from the Southern regions and many words have evolved to be very different from modern Chinese equivalents. Speakers of Cantonese or other southern languages might be able to pick up words more easily than a Mandarin speaker. As a decent Viet speaker, I can pick up some Cantonese words but am clueless with Mandarin.
Yeah, Mandarin is so much based on Qing Dynasty Manchu pronunciations ;)
I litterally did the opposite :)
🙏👊thanks for this insight.
Light contact is an entirely legitimate form of sparring, especially for beginners just building up their confidence.
Exactly
As far is it goes these two aren't too bad either, especially that guy's trips. I wonder how effective their strikes are at full power tho
According to Ramsey Dewey, light contact sparring is the only type of sparring you should do. Heavy contact should be reserved for a paid match. :b
@@hailhydreigon2700 Well, he has his opinion. Remmember there is also medium contact sparring.
Heavy contact should be done from time to time but with helmets, gloves, foot pads and body shields. Medium contact sparring also exists in which strikes are felt, but not hard enough to hurt.
this is dope. i love the sportsmanship and you can tell they're having fun learning. when do we adults forget this?
Agreed.
This is pretty slick. Vovinam guy is using the wrestling and Judo techniques that are incorporated into the system.
If you notice, Vovinam likes to try to catch kicks and knock the opponent off balance in order to take the fight to the ground.
Well kung fu systems in general have that, even tai chi has a leg grab and sweep technique
@@SandBorrito There is a Vovinam vs Muay Thai video, and the Vovinam guy catches the kicks and either counters or throws the opponent.
It looks pretty slick. Imagine training to learn the timing on that.
I'm still waiting for FCBD to upload it.
vovinam guy is good af
I feel like the way Vovinam fights is how many people picture Wing Chun looking like when pressure tested.
I love martial arts in Vietnam. They have a ton of different styles there, Vovinam is just the most famous.
What I like about this guys is that you can clearly see his moves are wingchun moves. His blocks especially.
Ikr?
Wing Chun is pronounced Vịnh Xuân in Vietnamese. And you are right, Vietnamese Wing Chun is influenced by Vietnamese traditional martial art styles (Vovinam is one of them) so they do tend to incorporate more practical moves and spar more.
And fun fact: Vietnamese is most similar to Cantonese in term of both pronunciation and grammar. And you are right, about 60-70% of Vietnamese vocabulary is from Chinese. And actually Vietnam used to use a very similar writing system to China called Hán-Nôm (like Japan right now) until about a hundred year ago when we switched to a Latin alphabet influenced writing system called Chữ Quốc Ngữ.
Thank you for the commentary. Big fan of you from Vietnam. Stay safe and keep up the awesome work man!
1, stop BS, vietnam never had martial art, so called " vitnamese martial arts" are just chinese kungfu brought in by chinese immigrants, vietnam was part of china for more than 1200 years, 2, cantonese is not similar to vietnamese, vietnamese sounds similar to cantonese is because in ancient time, most chinese live in vietnam was from canton province of china, also the fact is many chinese dilalect has similar sound , because its anicent sound of chinese , cantonese is just one of dialect that retain lots of anicent chinese pronuciation, 3 han nom is not used widely in vietnam in history, the official writing system in vietnam before french colonized vietnam was chinese, han nam was only used by a small goup of interlectualls in vietnam, most vietanmese do not know han nam, and also han nam was a writing system created by a chinese officer who was governer of vietnam , at his time, vietnam was a prefecture of china
@@xinyiquan666 nah vietnam isnt a prefecture of china
@@itzdraw7782 no, vietnam is prefecture of china for more than 1000 years, go study hisotry dummmzzz
@@xinyiquan666 hahahha china is chinnnn 😂
Poor blind chinese ......😂😂😂😂😂
I am a Vovinam instructor. Vovinam is a mix of traditional Vietnamese martial arts, traditional Vietnamese wrestling, Taijiquan, Baguazhang, Muay Thai, Savate, western boxing, western wrestling, White Crane Kungfu, Japanese Jiujitsu, and some traditional Okinawan karate. We also learn multiple weapons, and firearms.
Vovinam has a lot of kicks, submissions, takedowns, and joint locks.
Vietnamese is very different from the different Chinese languages (the main Chinese languages are Mandarin and Cantonese). The 60% lexicon being from southern Chinese languages happened after the fall of Au Lac.
omg, yes! Finally some great Vovinam footage where there is pressure testing. All I had previously seen was demonstrations
Great display of both arts
Grand Master Nguyen Loc, Founder of Vovinam, was the Traditional Vietnamese Martial Art master who also learned, simplified and adapted different forms and techniques from other fighting styles like Boxing, Wresting, Judo, Aikido, Taekwondo ... into Vovinam. In the first 6 months, besides simple techniques for self defense, the beginners had to learn how to roll (the core technique of Traditional MA), fall and throw (simple Judo) on CONCRETE (not on the mats like in modern MA schools).
"if it ain't fixed, don't broke it," sorry dude, that perked me up, hahaha
As far as I know (from some Hung Gar sparring and teaching from my sifu), the lead hand is not only for jab or only striking, it's used both as your attack and first defense (in case u miss the first defence, ur back hand can then be used, in case of good defence, u can use it to graple the opppnent ) so the wing chun guy was probably trying to measure his opponent at first, trying to understand his moves while behind his "shield". The main mistakes that this wing chun guy happens to have are ones that almost all kung fu practioners I met have or once had before (I'm the one who stills has): 1st. Being too static, it makes your body cold and less reactive, my sifu always told us to understand when to move and when to stop, somewhere between what boxers do and what we see in Ip Man film (also, in Hung Gar, the fighting stance is really similar to Wing Chun's one). 2nd: Not circling, that's the basis of Kung Fu, no matter what style you practice, you should always circle your opponent and as easy as it sounds, everyone who ever practiced somekind of good combat sport knows how hard it is to master this. Those both points I struggle with till today and are probably the most common mistakes I've seen in all my sparrings.
For some sparring/fighting footage of where I use to train and its own tournament:
ua-cam.com/video/l4nOwS838Gs/v-deo.html
ua-cam.com/video/VX_dkssnFCE/v-deo.html
I do think many people will enjoy them.
They don't protect their chin. It's very easy to cut angle and hit.
this video make me want to practice vovinam as i am a vietnamese myself yet ive never realised how fascinating that martial art is
I know you interviewed Cung Le a while back, he actually trained Vovinam as a kid in vietnam
Yeah that why you see him throwing scissor kick in wushu matches and spinning back fist in mma
Correct me if im wrong but wasnt he 3 when he moved? Theres nothing he couldve learned by then that would significantly changed his style.
@@DubiousDubs the US has the largest Vietnamese Community on this planet. He basically grew up in proxy Vietnam
@michaelnguyen940 is that in one spot though? Cuz technically given how large the US is, they would be much less concentrated. Unless he grew up specifically in a Vietnamese neighborhood, that shouldn't change much.
@@michaelnguyen940 and either way the initial comment is still totally wrong that he trained vovinam in Vietnam, which is the point I really cared about
I find this a bit more fun to watch than a Wing Chun vs. MMA match. More evenly matched fights are pretty cool.
I did not know vovinam before seeing this video, I see it very similar to wing chun but in the fists, the vovinam tito fought well, very good fight
I like seeing you enjoy Kung fu!
Even Kung fu from other countries!
Wing chun guy just standing there like he's Donnie yen waiting to dish out machine gun counter punches
That takedown around 1:09 was beautiful.
Good video
very Nice, but it seems like once one of the opponets get despreate or feel like they are in danger it reverts to just street fighting
Kind of silly to think most unarmed martial arts weren't premised on the idea of street fighting. 1600s China was a bit more rowdy than Europe.
Everyone's got a plan till they get punched in the face
Vovinam was designed for street fighting.
It was a martial art used heavily against thr French during Vietnamese independence and against the Thais during the Vietnam war.
It's more or less like MMA.
@@zadkiel242 Very interesting!!
@@i-evi-l Given the amount of wars in China's history, that's really hard to doubt. I wonder just how many street fights would break out?
you should look into more Vietnamese martial arts like vo co truyen or vat they are also really interesting.
Side kick is awesome and very underrated
I really want to learn vovinam. It looks so awesome and effective, like the mma of Asia
If you can find a good school, Vovinam will make you into a beast.
Idk.. might as well learn proper MMA.
@@BZY-bu9wr Why? Vovinam has similar techniques.
What advantage does MMA give over Vovinam?
@@zadkiel242 he's just being an ass ignore him
@@BZY-bu9wr MMA is literally mixed martial arts. It's not a single style, it pick up some of this and some of that from a bunch of different martial arts. and vovinam is kinda like that too, Vovinam is a mix of traditional Vietnamese martial arts, traditional Vietnamese wrestling, Taijiquan, Baguazhang, Muay Thai, Savate, western boxing, western wrestling, White Crane Kungfu, Japanese Jiujitsu, and some traditional Okinawan karate. We also learn multiple weapons, and firearms.
Vovinam has a lot of kicks, submissions, takedowns, and joint locks.. So yeah, it's Asia MMA
My favorite line.
"If it ain't fix, dont broke it." Lol.
This is perfect. It shows you what you need to learn and the flaws of “the system”.
Wing Tsun guy has some surprisingly good kicks. He probably isn't a purist. The other guy has some awesome sweeps. Simple yet effective. Imagine this is a street fight, each such sweep could be fight ending.
Incredible!
Vovinam is created based on Vietnamese traditional martial and Vietnamese traditional wrestling.
The lead hand in wing chun is man sau.
This hand means asking hand. It’s use to control the adversary’s bridge and the other hand to strike. When closing the gap three things work together.
1. The closing the gap
2. Trapping the wrist
3. Attacking with the free hand.
apparently the lead hand isn't a specifically a jabbing hand but a guard hand, like for boxing's long guard
@6:12 it is a very smooth takedown, but let's not overlook how smoothly the wing chun guy feel and landed. Out of all the takedowns to this point, he only landed hard once.
That first takedown was siiiick!
That Wing chun guy is pretty good for technipue
No. Wing Chun by itself sucks.
Very proud on both side, power control on the maximum. Not everyone can do that.
Sometimes for competition we switch out to white and blue belts or something like that. Maybe the ref was fighting earlier and thats why his belt is white.
Some arts only have white and black belts as well so he could just be a very experienced white belt and hasn’t reached black belt status yet.
@@theodoresmith3353 I've heard about it, it's a really nice concept
I think with this, the Wing Chun guy was actually learning to adapt his movement and actually learn while he fought the Vovinam guy. It's quite interesting but you can tell that he was doing this cause he started immitating the Vovinam guy.
Technically yes, Vietnamese do have a lot of loan words from China, but, the Vietnamese people don’t use those words in “daily” speech.
For example: Dragon= 龍 (Long)=Long
Yes, Long means dragon in viet as well, but we would use the word “rồng” in everyday speech.
Another example: Turtle= 龜(GUI)= Qui
Yes turtle have a very similar pronunciation , but we use the word “rùa” in every day speech.
The list goes on.
Back in the early 2000s bullshido.net was born. They outed fake masters and it was alright. But most of the forumites were Muay Thai and Jiu Jitsu although their founding members were Kung Fu and all of them had the idea side kicks were useless. It was until Cung Le came along that they were proved wrong.
The side kicks my favorite technique when i worked at a tire shop some tires didnt want to come off when i tool off lugs so when boss wasnt looking i would give it a quick side kick and it would pop off lmao
Agree jerry that hand should be seeking bridge and we were taught never to cross our feet
I’m learning both Mandarin and Vietnamese. Lately, I’ve been focusing on Mandarin. I think you’ll pick it up quick. There’s 5 tones, but you gotta choose if you wanna learn Northern or Southern accent.
4:07 Is one reason everyone should learn some Wing Chun. Grabs WC guys hand, gets it rolled into an elbow because of the sensitivity training
He does nothing of effect there.
And in the whole fight he does only one thing decently, the kicks, which are atypical for normal WC
So here in Vietnam, vovinam is more comparable to kickboxing than kung fu. One would say it would be similar to muay thai, combining strikes, kicks, takedowns and submissions. I don't know much else other than the fact that it does have a following here and its more promoted compared to other martial arts.
This was a great kung fu martial arts fight/ vovinam looks very complete for a tradutional martial art and looks like some of its principal could be use in self defense and cage fighting
I think wing chun could be effective however its far from a complete system and its only useful in certain situations not something i will like as my main martial art but i can see it being useful in punching countering and blocking with correct sparring
When I trained in Wing chun there was a big emphasis on the doing everything in ' Yee Jee Kim Yeung Ma' which should have helped to have better footwork against take-downs, but maybe the WC guy was just nervous?
I like how you casually said "only palms to the face " 😂
The chest pads make it a little harder to kick high and a little easier to throw because you can just grab the pad
The blows in vivonam this is good for MMA. The best channel for fighter
never heard of vovinam but it seems interesting
Wing chun stance is about keeping your opponent in a range that will let you parry/block their attacks. the thing is that they usually have bad footwork, but this guy actually had something there haha~
Vovinam/Viet vo Dao was invited during the french colonization and played a huge role in overthrowing it. So it's faily young compare to the wing chan since not many were aware its existance. It's based on soft and hard principle. While it's similar to the kung fu, it is known for deadly acrobat moves and close combat like the penkat silat. It also enable the fighters to endure the pain as a way to become stronger
Dude you kinda sound like Bill Burr, like the cadence and everything.
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The question you have to ask yourself... which one seems more of a thread if you were to fight him.
there you have your answer on what martial art ist "stronger"
Vietnamese Wing Chun's name is VINH XHUAN
In VoVietnam, White is a degrees level belt. Not all systems begin with white. Look at Kyokushin belts compared to traditional karate. Yellow is a beginner grade in Shotokan but an intermediate grade in Kyokushin etc.
The purpose of the wing Chun stance is so that it is easy to jab the fingers in the eyes
4:07 hand gets grabbed rolled to elbow that's good BUT winds up clinched and would have been taken down. Why wing chun should learn grappling/wrestling
This is kindda late but vovinam is basically modernized Vietnamese traditional wrestling then it incoperate Karate, takewondo and kungfus,latter on when it start to spread,muay thai,boxing were incoperated too
White belt in vovinam, symbolizes that your martial arts is in your bones, and comes after red,, which means you have it in your blood. So the referee is far from a beginner, White is the last or second last belt i dont remember, my ex is viet
That’s cool!
If it ain’t fix don’t broke it!
I was training Vovinam a lot of time ago (even have, first light blue belt)))) and could say that Vovinam actually absorbed a lot of from South Chinese Martial Arts (probably "absorbed" is not really good word here, in Vietnam there was just another one direction of similar Martial Arts like Wing Chun if we are not talking about some wrestling stuff which was borrowed from Judo. There were similar tiger/etc. techniques even, check Nhất Nam). We even studied leap hands technique but a bit in different way compare to Wing Chun.
I do primarily hapkido and judo, but practice a lot of muay thai and I have found that wing chun by itself is okay but when you supplement it with other things it works beautifully, I can flow from muay thai to wing chun forms and using hapkidos vast joint locks with wing Chun's trapping allows me to just flow almost... now admittedly there are plenty of times where I go drilled in the face cause of it but that's just part of the learning what works well and what doesn't 😂
Vovinam has some grappling techniques because Vietnamese martial art have some wrestling techniques..
The wing chun kid( he looks young) was better then all the old fake ass masters in this channel
Agreed. that's why I had to feature him.
That was just fun to watch. I want to see a rematch, LOL
My ex fiancee she use to train in vovinam she was actually pretty good at it when I spar against her I was training in kenpo at the time before I switched over to hapkido but I am now currently training in muay thai and bjj at the moment but vovinam is a very interesting martial art.
They look to be young adults, maybe late teens? hence the armor? but overall, very nicely done! Good moves, mutual respect for each other.
was just thinking - getting thrown versus getting kicked and struck in the face. Both had their favorites, it seems.
I hope you don't mind if I use "if it ain't fixed don't broke it" :)
I'm using it too!
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The roots of Vovinam is so not Gong Fu.
The roots of Vovinam overall is based in traditional Vietnamese martial arts, Savate, and Sino-Vietnamese arts.
Huh these guy are really good. I'm actually surprised.
Nice fighting. I like the way the chunner adds high kicks to Wing Chun. This makes Wing Chun waaaaay more effective and versatile than how it is otherwise. The great lack of Wing Chun is the extremely poor kicks usage. As a chunner (with a Kick Boxing background) I find this a limit for this Kung Fu style. Implementig WC with a larger set of kicks (low, middle and high) would make it by far more effective.
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The kicks used by both guys look like olympic Taekwondo.
I do jkd/mma and love Wing Chun. I hink anyone who KNOWS how to fight and grapple should learn it. I haven't seen many WC use round kicks tho 3:30
Vovinam is kinda like Vietnamese kickboxing with some grappling I don't know why the vovinam guy is not wearing gloves because we punch a lot in vovinam maybe because of the wing chun guy
Is Vovinam kinda like Vietnamese Sanda?
yep, but less effective and a lot of dancing
@@htk3973 ohh got it, that’s kinda the vibe I got.
@@htk3973 It depends on how you train. If you train more in Quyền (Forms/Kata) then yeah you pretty much do a lot of acrobatics and dancing. But if you train more in Đối Kháng (Sparring) and you will be a more effective fighter.
@@VNSnake1999 yea my vovinam in the states taught us to focus more on elbow strikes, round house kick, greco-roman wrestling and we would spar all day after practice. Our master told us to study Cung Le back in the early 2000s :p
This guy is not better then Qi la la he is the best I have ever seen
Any update with the Russian master?
Después de ver muchas peleas de vovinam vs otras artes marciales llegue a la condición de que el vovinam supera , al wuing Chung, sanda,boxeo, karate, taekwondo y kick boxing
That throw is also found in wing tsun
I don't know if this is an average or above average Vovinam fighter, but I am liking what I am seeing
Talking about Vovinam i remember Chong Li.... 😭
Who is chong li? you mean Cung Le?
@@louyht7 yep...
5:38 the wing chun guy could have landed a front thrust kick very easily. I wonder was he prohibited from these kicks?
Love the video, but he’s probably only crossing his feet because he’s a novice and that hasn’t been stressed in his training yet, neither has forward pressure. I’m a novice myself I just don’t want it to be blamed on the style.
See? This did seem like the Wing Chun you see in movies! You just need sparring to learn things like muscle memory on your moves and it also will make it easier to react (obviously, if you don't spar, chances are that you will not be able to react when the time of a fight comes). It's just that wing chun people are barely sparring
When the wing chun guy has better kicks than their opponent
every time that a person pose like the blue guy, he turn himself into a wooden dummy...
then doesn't matter which art the other, the red one, practices, he will logically use the pose of the blue guy, turning his own art into wing chun :D
Irony of the destiny.
The pose with the arm extends comes from a conventional wing chun training where the other use the bridge that you gove as a present.
The pose used at a beginner wing chun level has become as THE FIGHTING POSTURE.
This is ridiculous.
This guy makes me want to study vovinam.
Vietnamese are of descendants of South Chinese which is why both languages would seem similar.
the wing chun practitioner seems to have more than one style, as the kicks are very close to karate, and the vovinam practitioner is not used to punching with his hands, which is favorable to the wing chun fighter, but I liked the fight even though the wing chun fighter knows how to kick better.
I think that lead hand is used in showing where the opponent is(kind of like a painter's sign!), can that be it?🤔.kly share it if you anyone has a better suggestion.🤭😆🤣👍
Sorry, I love your channel but this is not “decent wing chun” in any shape or form. You seem to get excited by the kid throwing meaningless shapes in the air or by attempted “trapping”. Firstly, wing chun “can” be used at the range he’s staying in but really it’s designed for much closer range application. Trying to use wing chun purely in long range is like taking a shotgun to a sniping competition, it doesn’t work (although there are exceptions like Qi la la). The art SHOULD work well in clinch range/chest to chest BUT the practitioner really needs to spend a lot of time in that range to get comfortable. I have been exposed to a lot of grappling/wrestling and as a result can see a LOT of this in the system
(Chokes,single/double collar ties, arm drags, two on ones etc). In addition to teaching chi sao I also get my students to pummel and it really opens their eyes to the possibilities contained in the art. Trapping in the “classical” sense (Especially complex trapping combinations) only works against structures that lend themselves to those mechanics (wing chun).
Trapping DOES work but in a more simplistic fashion. Also forget about trying to trap incoming blows as is usually taught, trapping from an offensive posture works better for me and once in clinch range arm ties/overhooks/wrist controls/two on ones etc all work well, to me that’s functional trapping.
It's decent in the sense that the practitioner is using the techniques and not resorting to just throwing wild punches.
You obviously have a very low understanding of the art if you believe holding your hands out in a silly wu sao/mun sao position and sticking your chin out is decent. Keep watching your ip man movies....
@@bougeac I don't like Ip Man movies for one.
I explained why the guy was decent. I didn't say "great".
You're right, though. I do have a poor understanding of Wing Chun, but that's because I'm not a huge connoisseur of fake and useless martial arts like Wing Chun.
Vietnamese is most similar to Cantonese. But yeah, if you've picked up Cantonese then learning Vietnamese could possibly be easy for ya.
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wing chun guy learned to fight from an ip man poster hahaha