Hey Tyler! Youngman, first off I am very impressed with your videos and especially your knowledge and your ability to explain things so well. That being said I was wondering if you would put out a video breaking down all the terminology in bass fishing, like cover, rip rap, finesse, ditches, flats, punching, flipping, etc... The reason I'm asking is I'm sixty years old and haven't ever Bass fished much at all until lately. When I watch all the fishing videos to try and learn this sport the terminology escapes me. I find I am puzzled more by that than anything else. If you have already put out a video on this topic I haven't found it. I would really appreciate the consideration, or please point me to a video that does it as well as you do. Thanks, Mike
You also dont need to swing for the fences when setting the hook.. Hooks these days are so dang sharp you barely need to set the hook. People tare giant holes in fish and lose them cause they dont know how to set the hook and think you need rip their lips off every time.
I learned my lesson about that. It took some practice actually to not want to hammer them it was such a habit. Even with heavier super line hooks I really just lean into them and reel. These chemically sharpened hooks will penetrate pretty easy with just enough pressure.
I was looking forward to the braid to fluoro leader knot test you said you were going to do. So I was a little disappointed this was KNOT it. On another note thanks for testing my knot in you last video on the best braid knots. I created the Fish-N-Fool knot almost 40 years ago now and it cool that it has become so popular.
The other thing with braid to leader is to make sure the knot doesn't go into the reel, I've had issues with the line coming off smoothly and casting distance. I use the Alberto knot and now I make sure my leader is not too long, it still gives me a good size leader but no issues with snagging in the reel.
Tyler I agree with you analysis of braid to leader knots. I started with a uni knot and lost many lures and fish because it wouldn’t hold. I’ve had much more success with a crazy Alberto knot. After watching this video I now know at least one probability why I’ve lost fish after switching from all flourish to braid with a flouro leader. I remember seeing holes I made from hook sets. Good content!
I have really good results with the double uni. The only time I have lost my leader is on big snags. Rarely on a fish and ive caught hundreds if not thousands of small mouth with a double uni tired leader. I usually break off at the bait before losing my leader. Just have to tie the braid side with double the wraps of the fluoro side. I do 6 on the fluoro side and 12 on the braid side. You may already do this but I'm just giving my experience. Braid is so visible in high pressure areas so using the leader is worth the risk for increased hookups. I will take your advise and learn the Alberto knot. Hopefully that's smaller. That alone would be worth the switch.
Awesome video I do have a bit to add, I fish out of a kayak and I do run braid to fluro but I kept the rods the same. Reason being is because the yak gives on a hook set so in this case it actually helps.
hey, one problem ive had over the years with fg knots is non-compatible line. some flouro seems to slip in a few days no matter how much care i take tying it. also some braid seems waxy and stiff and makes for a bad knot. use care for a while when starting out until you have total confidence in your combination. keep up the good work. k
You need to make sure you have a little Morse tension on the lines and you won't have those issues. Slight tension on the braid, and slightly more tension on the fluoro. If the braid becomes more taught as you wrap that can cause issues with the knot. I see this mostly on stiff tipped rods that don't bend as you tie
I think the majority of people struggle when swapping to braid w/ a Fluoro leader is the hook set. Most people grew up using mono which has a ton of stretch and typically withstand hard hook sets. So with Fluoro there’s less stretch and it can be kind of brittle, couple with braid which has 0 stretch. So when you hard hook set it, the Fluoro will break. Years of muscle memory for me using mono made for an extremely hard transition. Nowadays I use straight braid for top water or when it’s cloudy or dirty water etc. Any finesse presentations are straight mono, we used mono for years, there’s nothing wrong with it 😁
Hmm, I'm not on the same page but appreciate the viewpoint.. I feel like a lot of the benefit from braid-to-leader is lost when you do that. At least my perception of sensitivity changes a lot between a mod/mod-fast or fast rod. I rather adjust my hookset than go to a moderate rod for bottom baits, 100%.
Hey Tyler, I am almost, not all, exclusive braid to liter. Treble hook baits are either medium and fast or med heavy and moderate. Single hooks are either spinning, medium/ med light, or casting are med heavy or a light heavy. Just tie the blood knot, it’s skinning and very rarely does it fail. In general, I have no problems, feel lots of bites, and I fish with rods that’s range from 180-350 bucks, so the sensitivity is there
It's something we all figure out sooner or later. I've only switched from straight FC to braid to leader a few years ago with all my spinning (only) and you do have to re-think your applications. I use my medium light rods more than before and pay attention to my drag settings more than ever. FYI, I use the simple uni knot and have not ever experienced a breakoff around the knot. I often go 2 to 4 times out fishing sometimes before I'll tie on a new fc leader. During those initial transitions I happened to see one of Seth Feider's videos on pitching grass (which he's always done a lot of in his home state of MN). The theme of the video is how he switched from that heavy FC/mono to braid to leader and was able to move down in power to MH rods from the heavy's he had be using, and how it took a bunch of stress off his body in doing so. I still haven't switched to braid with my casting, but I'm not the best baitcaster on the planet and don't find the line twist pushing me away from FC like it did with spinning.
Amen brotha. I have been sayin this for years. Only setup I use straight flouro on is a crankin rod for jerkbaits. I find I get a couple feet deeper with the sinking line. And flouro gets that one little kink, nick or scrape that you don't realize and it snaps like two pound test. Even when you cast sometimes, the lure just flys out with fifty feet of flouro attached. My braid to flouro or mono leader rarely fails and the less stretch, longor cast, greatly improved sensitivity is such a plus.
I shtopped using shtraight braid years ago. I use a shtrong fluoro tied to braid with an FG knot. I used to shtruggle with the FG knot until a few days ago but I have now mastered it. It is the shtrongest joining knot and it has amazing shtrength. However it you don’t make sure it’s shtraight (like if it’s kinked) it will lose shtrength.
I spent hundreds of $ trying all the new and improved lines, fluorocarbon, copolymer, braids, etc. I ended up going back to monofilament. Not a cheap mono, but a good brand name. I use braid to fluorocarbon on my spinning rigs for ease of casting, but do get the occasional wind knot and I hate the click of the knot going through my guides. I’m experimenting with quality mono for my spinning reels now. The higher quality monos seem to have less stretch and higher break strength. I believe that the mono making process has improved greatly over time and it’s not fair to compare a higher quality mono to the mono of yesteryear!
Good video. I've been using the fg on many different setups. I did find I needed to make adjustments with rod selection to bait type. Vibrating jigs for example was one of them. I also adjusted my drag and hookset. I've added length to my leader also as my knot has become pretty smooth and clean with practice. This helps in clear water and adds a little bit of stretch.
Two things I have done to make up for the lack of stretch in my braid are: 1) Making my leaders a little longer, 10-15 feet in some cases gives a LITTLE more stretch. 2) I turn the drag on my reel down a bit, just in case i get a little over zealous with my hookset (generally my hookset is leaning into it or a snap of my wrist/forearm) if I need to tighten my drag I can always do that after i hook the fish. This is what I have come up with that works for me in addition to using some softer bending MH/F rods.
Wow nobody has ever explained it like that. I always just thought about it to get better sensitivity and to get a more immediate reaction out of a lures movement like a jerk bait. Will have to change my rods around to match. Thank You.
I like braid to leader just for the versatility. I fish from the bank mostly and don't want to carry a bunch of rods. Because of that I will carry both mono and flouro leader with me so I can switch them out depending on what technique I am using at the time.
Tyler, I faithfully watch your videos and have been for quite some time. Recently you have done knot videos for braid and flourocarbon as well as best line videos. Some of us are wanting that braid to flouro best knot video. Since we are still in the winter months, would you kindly do one of those with your fave lines? I really appreciate your approach to what is best. I use the Alberto bc it is so much easier and more reliable for me. I was lucky enough to draw Seth Feider when I was BASS Marshaling at Texoma. He was kind enough to show and demonstrate the FG for me. I agree that it is arguably the best knot for braid to flouro. However, I do enjoy your comparison videos proving it 😏👊😎.
Would you be downsizing to a moderate rod if you are fishing water where 8 to 12 lb bass are prevalent? Bringing in a bass on a noodle seems counter intuitive. I am blesses to be on a private lake.
I've been doing this a long time. But eyelets are getting smaller and smaller and casting through them can cause us to loose our setup. Have to be mindful on which rods we chose if planning to do this. I haven't lost a leader unless I'm on a snag. Even then my knot on my bait fails before my leader.
Also, you don't always need a leader. I fish mostly ponds and get away with straight braid a LOT. Particularly in windy/murky conditions. Just caught a nice 5lber on a Gantarel on straight braid, just sharpie'd the last foot or so.
I’m with you on this one. I use pitch black color or pink…. fins windtamer braid and found out I can just tie direct In a lot more situations than I ever expected. This spool of line has lasted me so damn long.
I have some discoveries that greatly impact braid to leader. The biggest is the rod guides. If the insert has flat edges it will catch the knot. You want one with smooth round surface because It'll reduce casting problems drastically..
I’ve been throwing braid to leader for awhile now on everything. Too stiff of a rod short distance will tear their lips off but for Carolina rig, It works great. I like fishing braid to leader I never go back.
I’ve found that when using the fg knot for heavy mono or fluoro (40-80lb)leaders, it’s better to only wrap the braid less (17 times instead of 22). It seems to lock in better.
Spinning rod with 7' to 7' 2" Medium Power, and yes, FAST action. There is nothing wrong with using a fast tip, in fact, I think the fast tip with a Medium power spinning rod is the perfect setup for braid to fluoro. My setup: St. Croix Legend Elite ES70MLF / Med Lght 7' 0" / Fast action. Paired with a Shimano Stella 2500HGK. 15# braid/8Lb. Flouro via an FG knot for samallies on Sturgeon Bay and Upper Mississippi. Thats a killer setup folks.
A good way to combat this is to use what saltwater anglers call a "shock" leader. Its a leader thats not typically 2-3 feet you would normally use in fresh water. A shock leader is as long as the rod plus 4-7 winds around the spool itself. I typically use a 10-12 foot leader line (12-20#) and i find this much more forgiving when paired with 20# braid mainline. It is 10x better in every application.
I broke leaders when I first started using braid. Also, I found the losing fish thing on my crappie set ups. I fixed that by loosening drag a good bit.
I have been running into an issue with breaking fish off on the hookset using 15lb fluro on 7’3mh. I did tests at home anchoring a snapswivel to somthing and it would not break no matter how hard I set the hook. After thinking all night I figured out what was causing it. If the bait was in the fishes mouth and a sharp fast hook set would damage the fluro from the fishes lips causing it to break. I passed a the wife’s nail file across the line and it caused that 15 to break like 10.
I was having issues breaking my fluro at the bait. Using a NRX+ CRR med heavy ext fast. But I figured that was my issue because the rod hits the back bone so fast its putting a lot strain on the knot.
Ater years I finally learned this truth. I wish this video came out years ago. However, thanks for sharing for the new anglers out there. This will safe you money and keep your fish pinned.
Anytime you use braid ,braid to flor. ,you have to be careful when setting the hook. When braid first came out you would miss many fish. The reason was because of the sensitivity of it, you would set way too early. What would happen was the bass wouldn't have the bait all the way in their mouth yet and you would miss the fish. Point being is ,let the bass run with your bait before you set the hook and you will hook every one.
I get more bites now that I went back to fluorocarbon. Braid makes a lot of noise in the water. Just think how loud it is going through the guides. Well, I would almost bet It's just as loud going through grass or over wood. Dont get me wrong, I love the feedback I get with a crankbait or vibrating jig with braid, but I just feel like it isn't the best choice for everything.
Another variable is what you are fishing from. Most leverage standing on the bank; least leverage from a kayak…..but even from a kayak, moderate action heavy rods for pitching is my preference.
I have heard that any slack in the braid will kill the sensitivity as opposed to straight flouro. Line was laid in an open book..down through a bowl of water with braid. A flouro leader was placed in a bowl a few inches away. On tight line the braid moved along with the flouro. When slack in line ..the flouro moved but the braid did not when the book was slammed closed..maybe a test. I think David Dudley video explains this idea
thats true, kind of, you can still feel bites on semi slack line with braid. fluoro is just more rigid, so is mono, both have better slack line sensitivity than braid. youll feel a bite alot easier on slack fluoro than you will with braid because its rigidity transfers the vibrations to your rod better. i switched over from straight fluoro to braid to fluoro leaders a few years ago, mainly because spooling up fluoro all the time is expensive and feels like a waste. i tie anywhere from 10-15 foot leaders, even in muddy water. i personally just like the way it feels, and high vis braid makes up for not being able to feel a bite on totally slack line because youll generally see your line jump or start moving. What ever works for who ever i guess. id fish straight fluoro more if i could, but its just expensive and wasteful. a reel with braid on it generally lasts me about a year, give or take.
@@tagg946ok right on for that. i wasn't sure about the slack line sensitivity on the leader deal. good point about line watching tho. i have a buddy that does a cheap mono for half a spool then does the rest with good fluorocarbon to save it more. ever try that?
I fish straight Flouro on my bottom baits to save money. I fish mono for topwater and I started using copolymer for my horizontal baits..has flouro coating and much cheaper.
@@lesterhoward6561 I’ve gone back to mono for top water too except froggin’ of course. I find it helps when I tend to get a little excited to set that hook still lol. Don’t loose as many.
I learnt how to compensate for the lack of give in my braid to leader, especially fluro, by practicing on little bitsy dink bass. If you dont have the money to have 15 rods. You can also achieve this by practicing on your hook set. Set hook with a little touch and really depend on your reel to do the work. Its hard to describe but its all about touch and feel. Just saying some of us are budget guys......
I use braid to leader on a few techniques especially if the water is very clear. The only technique i wont use it is pitching a jig around. Staight 20lb floro just because i retie a ton and dont want to spend a bunch of time tying leaders. To each their own though.
I have always just used an Albright for light line. When knot size is an issue, I go FG. 20 years, no problems except one. You can't use cheap fluoro. Vanish, viscous, Red Label, or any of the bottom end fluoro's are a liability. Of course, they are a liability to begin with especially when you go 12# and under.
Only time you should use braid on a bait caster is frogging or flipping super heavy cover I used to use braid a lot and now I’m switching to fluro and only throw finnese with braid to fluro
After I hauled in a 36"+ musky while walleye fishing this winter on 10lb braid with 8lb floro leader using the double uni, I'll never "practice" another leader knot again 😀
Man, I practiced the FG knot for awhile and couldn't get it. I use mostly 10lb braid to 8lb floro and I wonder if the line size I use make it harder 😊. The tuber vids make it look so easy but they are using rope...haha...I could just suck!
Another tip - don't get microguides if you're planning to use braid-to-leader. It will destroy your knots and you'll probably lose a few guides (done this myself). Hell, even on a Dobyns 795 using an Alberto, I've knocked a few guides off.
Disclaimer: Tyler's hooksets are aggressively hard haha, not surprised he was literally ripping lips. Length of leader comes into play here too. Some pros will flip with stiffer rods when they use a long leader, but those that use much shorter rods like to flip with a softer rod. The moral of the story is to really take some time to think about how your equipment lines up with how you fish, rather than just following what someone else says what you should be using for a technique.
Ive tried this and not liked it. My question is what advantage does the braid to fluoro actually give you? I understand needing braid for grass etc but for everything else why is using braid to fluoro leader an advantage? Why not just use straight fluoro.
Less stretch and increased casting distance. You might not notice or get either of those things and other than on a spinning rod I don’t see any requirement to use braid to a leader
For me, it's the no memory in braid and long casting part of it. Also, it's cheaper. Braid last me years while flouro doesn't. I just change my (flouro) leaders out every few trips.
IT SEEMS THAT COPOLYMER LINE IS ALWAYS LEFT OUT OF ANYY DISCUSSION. IT IS NOT EXACTLY LIKE MONOFILAMENT IN BUOYANCY OR STRETCH. WHAT ABOUT COPOLLYMER IN THE EQUATION.
You ever thought your hookset might be putting large holes in their face? You set the hook like your mad at the fish 😂 😂 I’m just messing with you buddy this is very informative video I never really considered the things you were talking about until now
Idk, probably better to learn how to set hooks and tie knots instead of buying all new gear every time you want to address a shortcoming in your skills.
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Hey Tyler! Youngman, first off I am very impressed with your videos and especially your knowledge and your ability to explain things so well. That being said I was wondering if you would put out a video breaking down all the terminology in bass fishing, like cover, rip rap, finesse, ditches, flats, punching, flipping, etc... The reason I'm asking is I'm sixty years old and haven't ever Bass fished much at all until lately. When I watch all the fishing videos to try and learn this sport the terminology escapes me. I find I am puzzled more by that than anything else. If you have already put out a video on this topic I haven't found it. I would really appreciate the consideration, or please point me to a video that does it as well as you do. Thanks, Mike
You also dont need to swing for the fences when setting the hook.. Hooks these days are so dang sharp you barely need to set the hook. People tare giant holes in fish and lose them cause they dont know how to set the hook and think you need rip their lips off every time.
This right here!
I’ve been saying this for years
I think the only time I do is when I bury my hooks in soft plastics, and frogs (I don’t bend my hooks out).
You ain't lying. Everyone is out there trying to jaw jack bass, and wonder why hooks bend out, or their knot, and sometimes even their rods snap lol.
I learned my lesson about that. It took some practice actually to not want to hammer them it was such a habit. Even with heavier super line hooks I really just lean into them and reel. These chemically sharpened hooks will penetrate pretty easy with just enough pressure.
I was looking forward to the braid to fluoro leader knot test you said you were going to do. So I was a little disappointed this was KNOT it. On another note thanks for testing my knot in you last video on the best braid knots. I created the Fish-N-Fool knot almost 40 years ago now and it cool that it has become so popular.
Good stuff
Only knot I use on braid to lures.
The other thing with braid to leader is to make sure the knot doesn't go into the reel, I've had issues with the line coming off smoothly and casting distance. I use the Alberto knot and now I make sure my leader is not too long, it still gives me a good size leader but no issues with snagging in the reel.
Tyler I agree with you analysis of braid to leader knots. I started with a uni knot and lost many lures and fish because it wouldn’t hold. I’ve had much more success with a crazy Alberto knot. After watching this video I now know at least one probability why I’ve lost fish after switching from all flourish to braid with a flouro leader. I remember seeing holes I made from hook sets.
Good content!
I have really good results with the double uni. The only time I have lost my leader is on big snags. Rarely on a fish and ive caught hundreds if not thousands of small mouth with a double uni tired leader. I usually break off at the bait before losing my leader. Just have to tie the braid side with double the wraps of the fluoro side. I do 6 on the fluoro side and 12 on the braid side. You may already do this but I'm just giving my experience. Braid is so visible in high pressure areas so using the leader is worth the risk for increased hookups. I will take your advise and learn the Alberto knot. Hopefully that's smaller. That alone would be worth the switch.
Awesome video I do have a bit to add, I fish out of a kayak and I do run braid to fluro but I kept the rods the same. Reason being is because the yak gives on a hook set so in this case it actually helps.
hey, one problem ive had over the years with fg knots is non-compatible line. some flouro seems to slip in a few days no matter how much care i take tying it. also some braid seems waxy and stiff and makes for a bad knot. use care for a while when starting out until you have total confidence in your combination. keep up the good work. k
You need to make sure you have a little Morse tension on the lines and you won't have those issues. Slight tension on the braid, and slightly more tension on the fluoro. If the braid becomes more taught as you wrap that can cause issues with the knot. I see this mostly on stiff tipped rods that don't bend as you tie
I think the majority of people struggle when swapping to braid w/ a Fluoro leader is the hook set. Most people grew up using mono which has a ton of stretch and typically withstand hard hook sets.
So with Fluoro there’s less stretch and it can be kind of brittle, couple with braid which has 0 stretch. So when you hard hook set it, the Fluoro will break.
Years of muscle memory for me using mono made for an extremely hard transition. Nowadays I use straight braid for top water or when it’s cloudy or dirty water etc. Any finesse presentations are straight mono, we used mono for years, there’s nothing wrong with it 😁
Hmm, I'm not on the same page but appreciate the viewpoint..
I feel like a lot of the benefit from braid-to-leader is lost when you do that. At least my perception of sensitivity changes a lot between a mod/mod-fast or fast rod. I rather adjust my hookset than go to a moderate rod for bottom baits, 100%.
Hey Tyler, I am almost, not all, exclusive braid to liter. Treble hook baits are either medium and fast or med heavy and moderate. Single hooks are either spinning, medium/ med light, or casting are med heavy or a light heavy. Just tie the blood knot, it’s skinning and very rarely does it fail. In general, I have no problems, feel lots of bites, and I fish with rods that’s range from 180-350 bucks, so the sensitivity is there
It's something we all figure out sooner or later. I've only switched from straight FC to braid to leader a few years ago with all my spinning (only) and you do have to re-think your applications. I use my medium light rods more than before and pay attention to my drag settings more than ever. FYI, I use the simple uni knot and have not ever experienced a breakoff around the knot. I often go 2 to 4 times out fishing sometimes before I'll tie on a new fc leader. During those initial transitions I happened to see one of Seth Feider's videos on pitching grass (which he's always done a lot of in his home state of MN). The theme of the video is how he switched from that heavy FC/mono to braid to leader and was able to move down in power to MH rods from the heavy's he had be using, and how it took a bunch of stress off his body in doing so. I still haven't switched to braid with my casting, but I'm not the best baitcaster on the planet and don't find the line twist pushing me away from FC like it did with spinning.
Amen brotha. I have been sayin this for years. Only setup I use straight flouro on is a crankin rod for jerkbaits. I find I get a couple feet deeper with the sinking line. And flouro gets that one little kink, nick or scrape that you don't realize and it snaps like two pound test. Even when you cast sometimes, the lure just flys out with fifty feet of flouro attached. My braid to flouro or mono leader rarely fails and the less stretch, longor cast, greatly improved sensitivity is such a plus.
I shtopped using shtraight braid years ago. I use a shtrong fluoro tied to braid with an FG knot. I used to shtruggle with the FG knot until a few days ago but I have now mastered it. It is the shtrongest joining knot and it has amazing shtrength. However it you don’t make sure it’s shtraight (like if it’s kinked) it will lose shtrength.
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I spent hundreds of $ trying all the new and improved lines, fluorocarbon, copolymer, braids, etc. I ended up going back to monofilament. Not a cheap mono, but a good brand name. I use braid to fluorocarbon on my spinning rigs for ease of casting, but do get the occasional wind knot and I hate the click of the knot going through my guides. I’m experimenting with quality mono for my spinning reels now. The higher quality monos seem to have less stretch and higher break strength. I believe that the mono making process has improved greatly over time and it’s not fair to compare a higher quality mono to the mono of yesteryear!
Good video. I've been using the fg on many different setups. I did find I needed to make adjustments with rod selection to bait type. Vibrating jigs for example was one of them. I also adjusted my drag and hookset. I've added length to my leader also as my knot has become pretty smooth and clean with practice. This helps in clear water and adds a little bit of stretch.
Two things I have done to make up for the lack of stretch in my braid are: 1) Making my leaders a little longer, 10-15 feet in some cases gives a LITTLE more stretch. 2) I turn the drag on my reel down a bit, just in case i get a little over zealous with my hookset (generally my hookset is leaning into it or a snap of my wrist/forearm) if I need to tighten my drag I can always do that after i hook the fish. This is what I have come up with that works for me in addition to using some softer bending MH/F rods.
Wow nobody has ever explained it like that. I always just thought about it to get better sensitivity and to get a more immediate reaction out of a lures movement like a jerk bait. Will have to change my rods around to match. Thank You.
I like braid to leader just for the versatility. I fish from the bank mostly and don't want to carry a bunch of rods. Because of that I will carry both mono and flouro leader with me so I can switch them out depending on what technique I am using at the time.
Tyler, I faithfully watch your videos and have been for quite some time. Recently you have done knot videos for braid and flourocarbon as well as best line videos. Some of us are wanting that braid to flouro best knot video. Since we are still in the winter months, would you kindly do one of those with your fave lines?
I really appreciate your approach to what is best. I use the Alberto bc it is so much easier and more reliable for me. I was lucky enough to draw Seth Feider when I was BASS Marshaling at Texoma. He was kind enough to show and demonstrate the FG for me. I agree that it is arguably the best knot for braid to flouro. However, I do enjoy your comparison videos proving it 😏👊😎.
That test is going to be coming in the next 2 - 3 weeks
Would you be downsizing to a moderate rod if you are fishing water where 8 to 12 lb bass are prevalent? Bringing in a bass on a noodle seems counter intuitive. I am blesses to be on a private lake.
I've been doing this a long time. But eyelets are getting smaller and smaller and casting through them can cause us to loose our setup. Have to be mindful on which rods we chose if planning to do this. I haven't lost a leader unless I'm on a snag. Even then my knot on my bait fails before my leader.
Also, you don't always need a leader. I fish mostly ponds and get away with straight braid a LOT. Particularly in windy/murky conditions. Just caught a nice 5lber on a Gantarel on straight braid, just sharpie'd the last foot or so.
I’m with you on this one. I use pitch black color or pink…. fins windtamer braid and found out I can just tie direct In a lot more situations than I ever expected. This spool of line has lasted me so damn long.
I have some discoveries that greatly impact braid to leader. The biggest is the rod guides. If the insert has flat edges it will catch the knot. You want one with smooth round surface because It'll reduce casting problems drastically..
I’ve been throwing braid to leader for awhile now on everything. Too stiff of a rod short distance will tear their lips off but for Carolina rig, It works great. I like fishing braid to leader I never go back.
I’ve found that when using the fg knot for heavy mono or fluoro (40-80lb)leaders, it’s better to only wrap the braid less (17 times instead of 22). It seems to lock in better.
Spinning rod with 7' to 7' 2" Medium Power, and yes, FAST action. There is nothing wrong with using a fast tip, in fact, I think the fast tip with a Medium power spinning rod is the perfect setup for braid to fluoro. My setup: St. Croix Legend Elite ES70MLF / Med Lght 7' 0" / Fast action. Paired with a Shimano Stella 2500HGK. 15# braid/8Lb. Flouro via an FG knot for samallies on Sturgeon Bay and Upper Mississippi. Thats a killer setup folks.
A good way to combat this is to use what saltwater anglers call a "shock" leader. Its a leader thats not typically 2-3 feet you would normally use in fresh water. A shock leader is as long as the rod plus 4-7 winds around the spool itself. I typically use a 10-12 foot leader line (12-20#) and i find this much more forgiving when paired with 20# braid mainline. It is 10x better in every application.
I broke leaders when I first started using braid. Also, I found the losing fish thing on my crappie set ups. I fixed that by loosening drag a good bit.
I have been running into an issue with breaking fish off on the hookset using 15lb fluro on 7’3mh. I did tests at home anchoring a snapswivel to somthing and it would not break no matter how hard I set the hook. After thinking all night I figured out what was causing it. If the bait was in the fishes mouth and a sharp fast hook set would damage the fluro from the fishes lips causing it to break. I passed a the wife’s nail file across the line and it caused that 15 to break like 10.
I was having issues breaking my fluro at the bait. Using a NRX+ CRR med heavy ext fast. But I figured that was my issue because the rod hits the back bone so fast its putting a lot strain on the knot.
Ater years I finally learned this truth. I wish this video came out years ago. However, thanks for sharing for the new anglers out there. This will safe you money and keep your fish pinned.
Anytime you use braid ,braid to flor. ,you have to be careful when setting the hook. When braid first came out you would miss many fish. The reason was because of the sensitivity of it, you would set way too early. What would happen was the bass wouldn't have the bait all the way in their mouth yet and you would miss the fish. Point being is ,let the bass run with your bait before you set the hook and you will hook every one.
I get more bites now that I went back to fluorocarbon. Braid makes a lot of noise in the water. Just think how loud it is going through the guides. Well, I would almost bet It's just as loud going through grass or over wood. Dont get me wrong, I love the feedback I get with a crankbait or vibrating jig with braid, but I just feel like it isn't the best choice for everything.
Another variable is what you are fishing from. Most leverage standing on the bank; least leverage from a kayak…..but even from a kayak, moderate action heavy rods for pitching is my preference.
I have heard that any slack in the braid will kill the sensitivity as opposed to straight flouro. Line was laid in an open book..down through a bowl of water with braid. A flouro leader was placed in a bowl a few inches away. On tight line the braid moved along with the flouro. When slack in line ..the flouro moved but the braid did not when the book was slammed closed..maybe a test. I think David Dudley video explains this idea
I’ve seen that video you’re referring to. I would think that slack in any type of line you would loose sensitivity.
thats true, kind of, you can still feel bites on semi slack line with braid. fluoro is just more rigid, so is mono, both have better slack line sensitivity than braid. youll feel a bite alot easier on slack fluoro than you will with braid because its rigidity transfers the vibrations to your rod better. i switched over from straight fluoro to braid to fluoro leaders a few years ago, mainly because spooling up fluoro all the time is expensive and feels like a waste. i tie anywhere from 10-15 foot leaders, even in muddy water. i personally just like the way it feels, and high vis braid makes up for not being able to feel a bite on totally slack line because youll generally see your line jump or start moving. What ever works for who ever i guess. id fish straight fluoro more if i could, but its just expensive and wasteful. a reel with braid on it generally lasts me about a year, give or take.
@@tagg946ok right on for that. i wasn't sure about the slack line sensitivity on the leader deal. good point about line watching tho. i have a buddy that does a cheap mono for half a spool then does the rest with good fluorocarbon to save it more. ever try that?
I fish straight Flouro on my bottom baits to save money. I fish mono for topwater and I started using copolymer for my horizontal baits..has flouro coating and much cheaper.
@@lesterhoward6561 I’ve gone back to mono for top water too except froggin’ of course. I find it helps when I tend to get a little excited to set that hook still lol. Don’t loose as many.
I learnt how to compensate for the lack of give in my braid to leader, especially fluro, by practicing on little bitsy dink bass. If you dont have the money to have 15 rods. You can also achieve this by practicing on your hook set. Set hook with a little touch and really depend on your reel to do the work. Its hard to describe but its all about touch and feel. Just saying some of us are budget guys......
Have you ever used the GT knot for braid to floro.,what do you think of it
I use braid to leader on a few techniques especially if the water is very clear. The only technique i wont use it is pitching a jig around. Staight 20lb floro just because i retie a ton and dont want to spend a bunch of time tying leaders. To each their own though.
Thanks for dropping more daily knowledge to the community Tyler!
I have always just used an Albright for light line. When knot size is an issue, I go FG. 20 years, no problems except one. You can't use cheap fluoro. Vanish, viscous, Red Label, or any of the bottom end fluoro's are a liability. Of course, they are a liability to begin with especially when you go 12# and under.
Braid to fluoro for finesse fishing
Braid to mono for power fishing
Only time you should use braid on a bait caster is frogging or flipping super heavy cover I used to use braid a lot and now I’m switching to fluro and only throw finnese with braid to fluro
Been using double uni for about 20 years. never had a problem.
But I promised myself I’d give FG a serious try. more for guides sake than anything.
I've never had an issue with it either. It's a good knot.
After I hauled in a 36"+ musky while walleye fishing this winter on 10lb braid with 8lb floro leader using the double uni, I'll never "practice" another leader knot again 😀
How long a leader should you use from braid to your lure?
What rod power length and action would you use for an all around jig rod if you are going to be running braid to flouro
does the sensitivity of fluorocarbon go through the braid on slack line ?
Tyler hi . Would love tos a Vid on how exactly you tie your FG and Alberto knot 🙏🙏
I don’t change rods, but I do change how I set my hook.
Does braid color matter?
Can you tell me how to stop wind knots on braid with spinning gear?
I don't hear anyone talking about using your drag anymore. Where does drag fit in with braid to leader or straight braid ?
Run it tight enough to set the hook but loose enough you don’t break off
I usually set my drag at 1/3 of my lines breaking strength. I haven't had any break off issues, and the drag shouldn't slip on a reasonable hook set.
UA-cam bassers dont know what that spinny thing is by the crank.
In my opinion the FG knot is the strongest it has never failed me
Great Video, very important information thanks.
yes i tie the same knots plus others but being old school i use super glue on all my knots and they have not failed me
Braid haters can't tie a proper FG knot 😅😅
There I said it...
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You have earned my up vote!
Man, I practiced the FG knot for awhile and couldn't get it. I use mostly 10lb braid to 8lb floro and I wonder if the line size I use make it harder 😊. The tuber vids make it look so easy but they are using rope...haha...I could just suck!
If I wanted to braid lines together, I would've went to hair school. Crazy Alberto takes no time to tie and still as strong
@@jessecooper9795 that's pretty funny!
Great Video! Really appreciate your content! Thanks!!
Another tip - don't get microguides if you're planning to use braid-to-leader. It will destroy your knots and you'll probably lose a few guides (done this myself). Hell, even on a Dobyns 795 using an Alberto, I've knocked a few guides off.
I have noticed that some braids are a lot more prone to slipping at the braid to leader knot than others
Bro. Thank you.
Question for you is braided line more backlash friendly than fluorocarbon if so how much?
I find it is very much better with braid. Bird nesting with other lines sometime you damage the line when you are getting it undone.
You’re right Tyler 😁
I TOTALLY agree with you, been saying this for years!
I use 20lb braid to 15lb leader flouro with Alberto knot on a 6’6” medium pole with medium action hasn’t failed me yet
I absolutely buy my rods now based on using braid or fluro on it
You should be one to talk. The last several years, you crack a 2 pound fish like it's 20#. Over and over. About time you addressed this.
I tie a blood knot and havent had an issue.
Disclaimer: Tyler's hooksets are aggressively hard haha, not surprised he was literally ripping lips. Length of leader comes into play here too. Some pros will flip with stiffer rods when they use a long leader, but those that use much shorter rods like to flip with a softer rod. The moral of the story is to really take some time to think about how your equipment lines up with how you fish, rather than just following what someone else says what you should be using for a technique.
I use an albright and have never had it fail, and have used it offshore for swordfish and tuna. Definitely never had a bass break one.
Yea i would say if you can catch a tuna with it...you can definitely catch a bass lol
Ive tried this and not liked it. My question is what advantage does the braid to fluoro actually give you? I understand needing braid for grass etc but for everything else why is using braid to fluoro leader an advantage? Why not just use straight fluoro.
Less stretch and increased casting distance. You might not notice or get either of those things and other than on a spinning rod I don’t see any requirement to use braid to a leader
For me, it's the no memory in braid and long casting part of it. Also, it's cheaper. Braid last me years while flouro doesn't. I just change my (flouro) leaders out every few trips.
@@devinwillis7787 yea i do this on my spinning reels for the casting distance just never understood it on baitcasters.
Randy? Is that you?
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@@mikegalka4039 caught me
Uni Knot is just easier and faster. And a lil super glue makes its stronger than any knot you can do.
I've never broken off with an FG knot. I break that hook more than ever at a braid to leader knot.
Micro guides can be tricky even on the smallest of knots.
I have done the same thing 😅
IT SEEMS THAT COPOLYMER LINE IS ALWAYS LEFT OUT OF ANYY DISCUSSION. IT IS NOT EXACTLY LIKE MONOFILAMENT IN BUOYANCY OR STRETCH. WHAT ABOUT COPOLLYMER IN THE EQUATION.
I have a bulk spool of 4lb gamma. It is a great line
I wish they’d make braid that threw like flouro
I’ve never had an Alberto leader knot break on me.
Always enjoy your vidioes
Thanks for watching!
For the past few years I've been using a simple quadruple surgeon's knot to tie 20 lb fluorocarbon to 30 lb braid with NO failures. NONE.
Great video man! These are great tips! Come on people, subscribe!! Keep up the great work Tyler!
You ever thought your hookset might be putting large holes in their face? You set the hook like your mad at the fish 😂 😂 I’m just messing with you buddy this is very informative video I never really considered the things you were talking about until now
Lol...yes...by the time i catch a bass in Ohio...I usually am mad at it..
So true lol
I keep it simple..no leaders..not needed, for bass at least...bass aren't real picky about things in most bodies of water
I tie uni to uni and it very rarely breaks at the connection know
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Braid to p line co poly is the shit
Absolutly jusy have to hsve some give some where in the set up ,the line or rod.Thanks Ty with that braid you dont have to give em to many 🍌🍌
I always tie an "Alberto" knot and have not broken off.
Bam! What your confident in...is always best
there is some truth in what are being said i use the uni and the palomar never broke off because of super glue
Idk, probably better to learn how to set hooks and tie knots instead of buying all new gear every time you want to address a shortcoming in your skills.
Braided line is overrated along with tying liters. Waste of time and over complicating fishing.
What’s your plan to pull a fish with 10lbs of grass on it out of a weed pile?
Tell me you haven’t caught largemouths in Florida in grass ? Or on Santee Cooper on grass or around cypress trees ?
@@devinwillis7787 same lines people have used since the 1800’s.
@@gamingdreams2142 that’s a long time to be doing it wrong
The only time I have found it advantageous is weeds and deep current. I only use floro when I am in contact with alot of zebra mussels
I am confident I’ll backlash braid in 5 casts
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LOL..no you wont!
@@TylerBergerFishing every time 😂
I try it once every year, new spool, never make it passed 5 minutes 🤷♂️
The day of the pool cue rod has passed.
100%
Didn't even mention the importance of backing your drag off one or two clicks
Perhaps you are setting the hook too aggressively?
Take too long to get to the point. Thumbs down