Hello, I'm from India and am 56 years old. I had learn't Indian clubs in school way back in 1968 and did it regularly till I passed out (from school) in 1976. Then it was a full stop to clubs and the beginning of a wild life style totally detrimental to the body and health. That was till two years ago when I thought hey what the hell I know clubs why don't I take it up again. Now its's mainly clubs for me to keep fit. I studied in an Irish Christian Brothers' school and the clubs we used were of a smaller size like tear drops done in British style. The common name for clubs in India is mudgar or mudgal, though there are many other names. The term jori, I think is reserved for the type of specialised clubs used by pehelwani wrestlers. One observation I have made is that there is a fundamental difference between Persian meels and Indian joris. Now I might be wrong, but I think that in the Persian Zurkhaneh system meels are thought of as a weapon or as a means of training to use a weapon but in the Indian Pehelwani joris ( which resemble the wresler's post or malkhamb) are thought of as a dummy opponent or as a means to train how to throw an opponent. The basic move of the jori resembles the shoulder throw or, in pehelwani, dhobia passar. Thank you. You have been a great inspiration to all the club swingers of the world. Keep on swingin.
+manjitrupbikram Dear Sir, Thank you for your message, comments and story. I really appreciate it, and am very excited to meet you. Where do you live in India? I have been looking for people in India who have early memories of being introduced to club swinging. Can you expand on your memories more? I try to collect as much information as possible about these things, and would love to write up a page with YOU to put on my website www.indianclubs.com.au If you agree, can you please send me a photo of yourself, and your clubs, via email to paul@indianclubs.com.au I look forward to hearing from you. Best Regards. Paul Taras Wolkowinski
Thanks Ed, the camera position and mounting took me a while to work out, but it was certainly worth it. The body turns are very hard to explain without this sort of vision.
Crumbs! That's impressive Paul. As ever a big fan of everything you put out. I never comment normally on UA-cam but I just had to tip my hat in your direction on this one. Very, very well done and thanks for the inspiration. It's fully appreciated!
Very good work Paul. Thanks for your effort, your helps to teach with editing from different camera shots makes clear every move. Best regards from Argentina. I follow you forever. BIG LIKE! Migue
Hey Paul, I like everything about this! The clubs look great, your form is strong, and the audio component of your breathing mixed with the chains moving and stopping on the club sounds like a steam locomotive! Cool!
Great job on the explanations and video. It is a great tutorial. Progressive resistance comes to jori's with those chains. You could pre package varying weighted chains for each jori. Your usual excellent work Paul.
That's a good idea Russ. Had a proper workout with them and boy, it was like having a fight with two opponents, really struggled to get a rhythm going. I'll be doing a lot more practice before I start loading the weights for now.
I am Impressed with everything here. The Joris you made, filming, editing, explanations, your technique and strength. Love the idea of progressive weight with one set of clubs. Great job Paul.
Thanks Izzy. I have to admit to eating humble pie in the last few days. I have a pair of 6.5kg Persian Clubs which I can swing non stop for 10 minutes. So with that in mind I thought that a 10 minute stint with the 7kg Joris was achievable. -Boy was I wrong, the length and bulk of these clubs has to be mastered, and I felt as if I was fighting two opponents, each club fighting for my attention. -The club length that extends above the shoulder causes balance instability whilst the other club is swinging behind you, and the club wants to roll off the shoulder. -The exercise also creates a new movement by demanding that you draw/slide the club downward at the front and limit the length extending above your shoulder (instability), this affects your grip as you have to partially release it to move the club into the right position. Then re-grip the club correctly before you swing it again. -Going back into battle this morning.
Thanks for your comment, have just finished my second workout with them, and found myself overcome with clumsiness, and struggled to get a rhythm going. Practice makes perfect.
The turning and body position needed to power the movement moved from hand position to body position and power and back to hand to channel and generate additional power to go along side the force of the previous movement. The training potential for martial sports is there for the joris. American baseball uses weighted rings on bats for warm up. Maybe a slight taper on the body of the jori could lend itself to quicker changing of resistance on pre-sized weights. Either way, bravo Paul.
The reverse wedge coupling like they use to hold the wire shelves or to simplify it, just velcro the chains instead of tie wrap. My friend has some joris(his wife is from punjab) will drop by and check him out. He subscribes to your channel.
Thanks Russ, I'd love to see a photo of your friends clubs from Punjab if you get a chance.
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Hello, from Rio de Janeiro, Paul! Excellent demonstration coupled with a very clear and detailed explanation! As I'm getting the hang of swinging my own self-carved Indian Clubs (1.65 kg. ea.), I'm very much enjoying the mental and physical exercise that they are providing. I'm left, however, with the impression that those large and long Joris are limited in what one can actually do with them. It seems to me that their swing is a bit more limited than the variations that are possible with a Gada...so, I ask you... is this something more tailored to wrestlers? Or, would it be possible, if not a bit far-fetched, to use one of those Joris in the manner that one would utilize a Clubbell? I'm in the process of carving another set of clubs, which in weight, should end up somewhere between a "normal" British Military Style Club and a Persian Meel....much along the dimensions of the Persian one that you use in this clip. I hope to soon be strong enough to be able to use it for the Military Style swings! Thanks for your postings, man! They are always enlightening! Cheers!
Frank Colon Hi Frank, you are dead right, club swing is a combination of mental and physical exertion. Regarding Jori Clubs, in India the athletes use the mace to prepare to swing Jori Clubs. This is actually a sport in its own right. Although it is very much part of wrestlers training. The difficulty lies in holding one jury still while swing the other, believe me it is like trying to battle with to telephone poles at the same time, one is pulling you one way during the swing whilst you're battling to keep the other one still on your shoulder. So the mace and Jori are very much linked, through training. Just for your reference, Indian Clubs swinging is best done with 2 pounds or 3 pound clubs. When you go into 4 pounds and above, nothing wrong with it, but the movements are much more restricted due to the weakness of the wrist. To my mind there are really no parallels with Clubbells and wooden clubs, as they are generally too short, too heavy and lack bulk, to swing properly when compared to Indian Clubs, Persian Meels and the Mace. Plus just a personal thing but I prefer the feel of wood in my hands are supposed to cold metal. Don't get me wrong there is no disputing that Clubbells certainly have benefits like leverage work and limited swinging.
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Paul Taras Wolkowinski Ok,,, cool, Paul - I hear you loud and clear! Anyway, not to take up more of your valuable time, I'd like to thank you once again for the inspiration and your generosity in sharing your knowledge with us. Cheers, man!
Sir I am from India and I am working out with Indian club jori,each club weighing 12 kg . I want to to gradually increase the weight of the club. So should I have to buy a new pair of clubs or attaching iron chain on the existing clubs is gonna work(it's economical ofcourse) . I see you have added iron chain on the bottom of the club but I've experienced sometimes during swinging (specially last reps) the bottom of the club slightly hits my face/head. So I am bit worried about attaching iron chain to the bottom of the club as it could cause injury.
Hello, I'm from India and am 56 years old. I had learn't Indian clubs in school way back in 1968 and did it regularly till I passed out (from school) in 1976. Then it was a full stop to clubs and the beginning of a wild life style totally detrimental to the body and health. That was till two years ago when I thought hey what the hell I know clubs why don't I take it up again. Now its's mainly clubs for me to keep fit. I studied in an Irish Christian Brothers' school and the clubs we used were of a smaller size like tear drops done in British style. The common name for clubs in India is mudgar or mudgal, though there are many other names. The term jori, I think is reserved for the type of specialised clubs used by pehelwani wrestlers. One observation I have made is that there is a fundamental difference between Persian meels and Indian joris. Now I might be wrong, but I think that in the Persian Zurkhaneh system meels are thought of as a weapon or as a means of training to use a weapon but in the Indian Pehelwani joris ( which resemble the wresler's post or malkhamb) are thought of as a dummy opponent or as a means to train how to throw an opponent. The basic move of the jori resembles the shoulder throw or, in pehelwani, dhobia passar. Thank you. You have been a great inspiration to all the club swingers of the world. Keep on swingin.
+manjitrupbikram Dear Sir, Thank you for your message, comments and story. I really appreciate it, and am very excited to meet you. Where do you live in India? I have been looking for people in India who have early memories of being introduced to club swinging. Can you expand on your memories more? I try to collect as much information as possible about these things, and would love to write up a page with YOU to put on my website www.indianclubs.com.au
If you agree, can you please send me a photo of yourself, and your clubs, via email to paul@indianclubs.com.au
I look forward to hearing from you. Best Regards. Paul Taras Wolkowinski
+Paul Taras Wolkowinski Much appreciate your reply. Will get back to you.You can call me Manjit.
Great job on the club exercise. Fantastic idea using the overhead camera because it's very helpful for people who are learning those club movements.
Thanks Ed, the camera position and mounting took me a while to work out, but it was certainly worth it. The body turns are very hard to explain without this sort of vision.
Crumbs! That's impressive Paul. As ever a big fan of everything you put out.
I never comment normally on UA-cam but I just had to tip my hat in your direction on this one. Very, very well done and thanks for the inspiration. It's fully appreciated!
Thanks Danny, I will be doing a follow up on the Jori video soon, as many interesting points have come up. All the best. Paul
Very good work Paul. Thanks for your effort, your helps to teach with editing from different camera shots makes clear every move.
Best regards from Argentina.
I follow you forever. BIG LIKE!
Migue
Hey Paul, I like everything about this! The clubs look great, your form is strong, and the audio component of your breathing mixed with the chains moving and stopping on the club sounds like a steam locomotive! Cool!
Thanks David, just done a session with the Jori loaded to 8kg each, it's a huge learning curve. All the best.
Great job on the explanations and video. It is a great tutorial. Progressive resistance comes to jori's with those chains. You could pre package varying weighted chains for each jori. Your usual excellent work Paul.
That's a good idea Russ. Had a proper workout with them and boy, it was like having a fight with two opponents, really struggled to get a rhythm going. I'll be doing a lot more practice before I start loading the weights for now.
I am Impressed with everything here. The Joris you made, filming, editing, explanations, your technique and strength. Love the idea of progressive weight with one set of clubs. Great job Paul.
Thanks Izzy. I have to admit to eating humble pie in the last few days. I have a pair of 6.5kg Persian Clubs which I can swing non stop for 10 minutes. So with that in mind I thought that a 10 minute stint with the 7kg Joris was achievable.
-Boy was I wrong, the length and bulk of these clubs has to be mastered, and I felt as if I was fighting two opponents, each club fighting for my attention.
-The club length that extends above the shoulder causes balance instability whilst the other club is swinging behind you, and the club wants to roll off the shoulder.
-The exercise also creates a new movement by demanding that you draw/slide the club downward at the front and limit the length extending above your shoulder (instability), this affects your grip as you have to partially release it to move the club into the right position. Then re-grip the club correctly before you swing it again.
-Going back into battle this morning.
Great video Paul, those Jori's look good!
Thanks for your comment, have just finished my second workout with them, and found myself overcome with clumsiness, and struggled to get a rhythm going. Practice makes perfect.
Good Explanation and demonstration. Awesome stuff. Paul U got a very good collection. Impressed.
Thanks for your comment, glad you enjoyed the video
The turning and body position needed to power the movement moved from hand position to body position and power and back to hand to channel and generate additional power to go along side the force of the previous movement. The training potential for martial sports is there for the joris. American baseball uses weighted rings on bats for warm up. Maybe a slight taper on the body of the jori could lend itself to quicker changing of resistance on pre-sized weights. Either way, bravo Paul.
Good idea about the use of the taper, still need to lock the position somehow because the clubs are in an inverted position at the front of the body.
Paul those look awesome!
Thanks Dave, great fun, very different technique, bit like swinging two maces together.
Very nice sir
The reverse wedge coupling like they use to hold the wire shelves or to simplify it, just velcro the chains instead of tie wrap. My friend has some joris(his wife is from punjab) will drop by and check him out. He subscribes to your channel.
Thanks Russ, I'd love to see a photo of your friends clubs from Punjab if you get a chance.
Hello, from Rio de Janeiro, Paul!
Excellent demonstration coupled with a very clear and detailed explanation! As I'm getting the hang of swinging my own self-carved Indian Clubs (1.65 kg. ea.), I'm very much enjoying the mental and physical exercise that they are providing.
I'm left, however, with the impression that those large and long Joris are limited in what one can actually do with them. It seems to me that their swing is a bit more limited than the variations that are possible with a Gada...so, I ask you... is this something more tailored to wrestlers? Or, would it be possible, if not a bit far-fetched, to use one of those Joris in the manner that one would utilize a Clubbell?
I'm in the process of carving another set of clubs, which in weight, should end up somewhere between a "normal" British Military Style Club and a Persian Meel....much along the dimensions of the Persian one that you use in this clip. I hope to soon be strong enough to be able to use it for the Military Style swings!
Thanks for your postings, man! They are always enlightening! Cheers!
Frank Colon Hi Frank, you are dead right, club swing is a combination of mental and physical exertion.
Regarding Jori Clubs, in India the athletes use the mace to prepare to swing Jori Clubs. This is actually a sport in its own right. Although it is very much part of wrestlers training. The difficulty lies in holding one jury still while swing the other, believe me it is like trying to battle with to telephone poles at the same time, one is pulling you one way during the swing whilst you're battling to keep the other one still on your shoulder. So the mace and Jori are very much linked, through training.
Just for your reference, Indian Clubs swinging is best done with 2 pounds or 3 pound clubs. When you go into 4 pounds and above, nothing wrong with it, but the movements are much more restricted due to the weakness of the wrist.
To my mind there are really no parallels with Clubbells and wooden clubs, as they are generally too short, too heavy and lack bulk, to swing properly when compared to Indian Clubs, Persian Meels and the Mace. Plus just a personal thing but I prefer the feel of wood in my hands are supposed to cold metal. Don't get me wrong there is no disputing that Clubbells certainly have benefits like leverage work and limited swinging.
Paul Taras Wolkowinski Ok,,, cool, Paul - I hear you loud and clear!
Anyway, not to take up more of your valuable time, I'd like to thank you once again for the inspiration and your generosity in sharing your knowledge with us.
Cheers, man!
Frank Colon Hi Frank, To see Jori and Gada in a competiton environment go to www.indianclubs.com.au/1976/jori-swinging-street-contest/
I know how strong you have to be to lift 7kg meels etc., but I don't understand why exponents of this sorr of training don't look a lot more muscular.
Sir I am from India and I am working out with Indian club jori,each club weighing 12 kg . I want to to gradually increase the weight of the club. So should I have to buy a new pair of clubs or attaching iron chain on the existing clubs is gonna work(it's economical ofcourse) . I see you have added iron chain on the bottom of the club but I've experienced sometimes during swinging (specially last reps) the bottom of the club slightly hits my face/head. So I am bit worried about attaching iron chain to the bottom of the club as it could cause injury.
so the chain is for more weight
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