AI cannot replicate the fanfics written by the people that say English isn’t their first language and then proceed to bust out a masterpiece and even if there are mistakes it makes it seem more natural and lifelike
AI cannot recreate a crack fanfic concept purely made for smut and end up accidentally creating an actual plot instead of the smut it was suppose to write. Edit: Let's just say despite my fanfic history, I tend to write plot more than "plot"
Indeed, the least AI can do is creating something based on other fanfics. They cannot crate something "specific". They obviously cannot recreate my JJBA angst fluffy domestic family where Diavolo tries to be good father to Trish modern AU.
The biggest problem with AI is that they were supposed to be created to replace the hard/difficult jobs that no one wants to do but someone has to, NOT to replace our creativity and use of free time so we can work even more 💀💀
Finally someone with brain and not someone living in fake utopia, I'm wondering what happens if ai replaced everything wouldn't be everyone become jobless? And no job means no money right? So will government pay us for just sitting in house?
It almost feels like.... That's what they want If every artist, writer, sculptors are put our of business with ai, they'll be forced to work "real jobs" (serve capitalism), and make the gears of capitalism run faster AI's won't destroy humanity.... Their creators will.
I used to be ashamed of basically growing up with fanfiction, but looking back I can definitely say I had fun. You're absolutely right, nothing will ever replace the interaction between fans, all the fanart, the wild author notes, all that.
honestly, they really chose the wrong people. The fanfic communities I’ve seen are not only good at making points and standing up for what they love, but also strongly connected by their love of literature and the content.
if only anything involved in this was *choosing* people, rather than researchers not even thinking about it on that level and just wanting to get funding and published
Keep going, as a human you and what you create/learn have more value in my opinion than something artificial. I'm an artist as well and I'll always support other artsists
As a student in AI and NLP, the general vibe in the field right now is "What could AI be capable of?", not "What should AI do?". I think you guys are right to be concerned. 2023 is probably gonna be focused on using AI to *identify* text that has been generated by other AI, to help in returning agency to artists. At least, I hope that's what we'll achieve in 2023.
@@brightonpauli3916 as an artist and aspiring comic writer, I can only pray your hopeful predictions of AI developers attitudes towards AI-generated stuff that puts the futures of people like me at risk comes to pass. I ain’t about to not write my stories just because some basement-dwellers on Twitter think their AI-sama can do what artists and writers do better than them (even though AI literally relies on theft for it to be even slightly good at this stuff because computers aren’t creative)
Ikr, I miss a week of posting because I wasn’t motivated and didn’t want to put out a rlly bad and short chapter, I go to read a fic and the authors like ‘I was hit by a LITERAL BUS. So I wrote this in the hospital, sorry if it has a few mistakes’
I’m afraid of a dystopia where we all have to go get our fanfics from a public fanfic library. Like, authors have to take their fanfics to an in-person fic-binder which makes the book and then the fics get transported to a library.
I really hope it doesn't come to that in the future but sadly it has the opportunity to happen since the people behind the ai are rich people who can probably afford to bail themselves out of legal troubles.
But it would be a little funny, wouldn’t it? Because fanfiction isn’t “real writing,” it’s pushed to the internet, and then ai starts taking over any creativity in the digital space so fanfics get pushed back to physical writing. I just think it’s an interesting idea, but it probably won’t happen.
It would be much easier to make fanfic-reading friends in that apocalypse, wouldn’t it? I guess that’s a silver lining. Positivity rarely ever hurts anyone.
I read by a “written by AI” fic on AO3. To be fair the author said they did edit it a little but it was definitely an average okay fanfic. Which is terrifying to me. AI needs to stop taking over everything. AI art is scary enough as it is.
I agree with the reply above and as someone who is both a training artist and writer in their free time AI art is less obvious and easier to pass as actual art because it looks aesthetically pleasing as a whole. It takes a more trained eye to actually spot out the flaws And yeah AI fics are all very mid. Characterization is inconsistent and the plot’s nonexistent. Good for one paragraph to help get me out of a writer’s block slump but a whole fic? Forget it. It’s either gonna be obvious that it’s AI or one of those mid fics that you’ll just skip over anyway
I am of the opinion that AI should only be used as a tool to help people, not replace them, and to do the work that humans don't want to. sadly some people think that it can and should replace creatives and people in general. it's a really weird take but i've seen it.
@@InkSans_FandomSoda how exactly do you use these tools to help yourself? I'm a writer and relatively new to AI, although I have a great distaste for it. Genuine question, not looking to judge, but you don't have to answer!
Admittedly I've seen some insane reasons for people taking a haitus. From homelessness and storm outage to military coups and actually being commited to a psychiatric hospital. Funniest one was wrist sprain due to writing too much.
@@psgamer-il2pt people with bad intent can make spam bots to overtake a website, I'm sure. It happened with LBP 3 and if they can do it once, they do it as many times as they want.
What concerns me most as a College English teacher is that students are ALREADY using GPT to write essays for them before I even get a chance to see how they really express themselves through writing. It’s fucked up. I’m forced to consider that my students will have to write their essays in class while I’m in the room. I don’t want to treat my students like children.
@@delusionaldreamer8332 I see this point, but also as a college English major I would HATE to have to write my essays or similar written works in class. I have so many writing assignments that it would kill all of my time management if I had to write everything in class. Also, I’m the kind of writer that likes to start assignments early and sit on them for as long as I reasonably can. It’s how I make my best work. And there’s definitely other people like that in college. I feel like a better solution might be to put all AI generated written works under the academic dishonesty clause, but obviously it might be difficult to tell if a student has used AI, especially as these programs get more advanced
And how would we know? It keeps evolving and doesn’t register what it gives you. You can try to find out if a student has plagiarised an existing work sure, but that’s a bit difficult if it’s written by AI as that work doesn’t exist but is made by the AI at that moment. Sure, if it’s compiled of a lot of direct quotes, which the AI will not indicate as being quotes in footnotes and such, you could find out, but if it changes it enough, there’s no way you’ll know.
Kid are going to be using AI if they have access to it. I'd recommend teaching them the pros and cons of relying on AI and teaching them how to take AI content and make it better. AI can absolutely be a good tool if kids know how to use it to enhance their work
As an artist who is in college to do animation as a job, AI art is the biggest slap in the face to me. It’s bullshit that someone can just press a button and get art that someone else days or weeks to make
@@loserme414 The AI is not stealing, it's learning. We all look at other people's art. The AI does not create a copy. Except if the AI copies the style of a specific artist. They shouldn't do that. People should be allowed to do that though, because how could you draw something that didn't conform to any pre-existing style? But AI could be trained to avoid it. Some AI have their own style: Near-photorealism but without the anatomy or perspective. Objects flowing into each other. Difficult for a human to emulate. They should stick to that.
@@Mecharnie_Dobbs Nah, it IS stealing. Even when humans study art, it takes years of practice and skill to actually get to a place where a master study looks even borderline comparable, let alone decent. I've been drawing since I was a toddler, and at 26 finally at a place where I'm getting recognised at a wider level where people will pay me real money. Art is about the process, a lifelong one, not just about the output. A human can never copy exactly, and will always have traces if themselves influenced by experience and limitation, biases and life experience. AI is just a grift.
@@Mecharnie_Dobbsexactly. The only difference really is time. Ai learns faster. Artists are just panicking rn so they have to spread takes like this to feel better about themselves
@@sola_a I think the worry is genuine. Because companies can easily start using AI for graphic designs. That means one way of earning is taken from actual artists. I wouldn't still say the whole concept of artistic career is in danger. Apart from companies that only care about making money, regular people want to see art made by real people. It's like with hand made clothes. Those products will still have their buyers but the majority is nowadays buying factory-made clothes.
I’ve read a few fics where it’s like “AI HELPED me write this!” And it’s so easy to tell where the author made it vs where the AI did. It’s so emotionless and it’s hard to describe but it feels almost wrong, like the AI is just making things it’s seen before(which it is) and it just removes all the uniqueness of the author’s writing style
I've considered seeing if AI could help me out when I have writer's block. But if I did, I would use it for inspiration only. None of what it put out would actually make it into my final story, I would just use it to try to get some ideas as to where to go next - and then write it myself.
@@conlon4332when I get writers block/can’t think of how to write the scene, I’ll open character ai and use the writing bot, or use gramarly’s ai. But I don’t copy it. Instead, I look at the ai blurb, and rewrite some of the idea I like into what I want. The part that I plan to add to my work is barely recognizable if you look at the ai blurb and then back to my work.
I hate how some people are so open with the idea of AI doing art when artist and writers are already struggling in this world, they don’t deserve to be replaced. This is like when places started to fired cashiers because of auto check out. Also AI could never give us stories or art with the same passion or love that artist and writers do. I don’t want in the future to look at mediocre art or read mediocre stories, created by AI. I should also point out how the AI is basically stealing the work of said artist and writers that they are replacing, like talk about rubbing salt on a wound.
And what if it wasn't stealing and was ethical? I say blame the people who are currently using it as a replacement, but ai is a tool that can assist people who can't create said content on their own
Many people who are in favor of Ai art are former NFT- and crypto bros and they act accordingly. They swarm to any video that criticizes or has concerns with Ai. It can make it seem like nobody cares about artists. I'm sure they will find this video soon, too. Just remember that normal people who leave their house DO care about the ethics of the situation.
Let’s be honest there is absolutely no way AI writing is ever gonna become mainstream media without lots of tweaking and at least some creativity. Art however, I’m not to sure, the future for us artists is something we can only tell by time.
I do agree that it is stealing, the style of artists. It isn't really stealing work directly but using freely available content to make something which you intend to monetize is super gross and there needs to be a way where we can get data and not screw people over. I guess what I'm saying is "if copyright worked then copyright would work" which isn't super helpful but I am super excited to see AI develop and I hope one day we can really just fire up a machine and have it spit out full (high quality) artwork of any type but, this is not an ok way to do that.
honestly everything happening with AI right now is genuinely horrifying. I really hope more people recognise the issue so we can see some laws and regulations around AI generated media, because right now its a dumpster fire.
it's crazy to think we're actually nearing an idealized future. us creators will just have to push, through. as someone who wants to become an author, i sometimes struggle seeing a future for myself.
While I agree to some extent I'm actually more worried about the consequences of laws and regulations. First of is that international laws against ai is extremely unlikely and even less likely to be enforced equally in all countries, so it might stop scraping by companies in the US, but not from one in Vietnam (as an example.) In the long run these laws might actually hurt artists more than the ai companies. Secondly is that laws and regulations is much more likely to hurt fanfiction authors and fandom artists, as it will likely involve a tighter enforcement of copyright laws and it might make sites such as ao3 impossible to run. Fanfiction is already in a grey area legally, and could easily end up on the wrong side. While laws might protect intellectual property, it will also be less effective against people who wants to use this technology for bad. There is no money in making fanfiction, so while there might be people wanting to use AI to create fanfiction for them instead of writing it themselves-- the people who might want to swamp ao3 with AI fanfiction for lolz are not going to be stopped by it being illegal. AI at this level is still very new, and while it is a problem it's also important to not rush against it. The technology is here and can't be stopped, we've known it would come for decades (though it improved quite suddenly.) Regulating AI will have to be done with AI, and it's important that we don't just hand major companies exactly what they want-- tighter control over their already shady IP. Just a little disclaimer that I am fully understanding of the worry people have over AI, I'm a fanfic writer and hobby artist myself, I'm just more worried that rushed attempts at restraining it will only make it worse.
@@Smulenify I completely disagree. We HAVE to regulate AI! Right now! While it's new! Undemocratic big-tech companies are dictating how Ai is created and how it will be introduced to society. And they have already demonstrated they will do it unethically. This isn't about fighting progress or technology, it's about fighting back against the power structures that are created by Big-tech! "it's important that we don't just hand major companies exactly what they want-- tighter control over their already shady IP. " That doesn't mean that we just hand over Big-tech our dater and our work without push back. Because I assure you, that is exactly what major companies want. Maybe not Disney. Or other media monopolies. But it's exactly what Companies that make AI want. We know this because they already did that.
Another thing that does concern me is risk of having non-fanfiction/original work published digitally/online being stolen. I know there is an ai program that writes stories (forgot what it was called) but the thought of it taking from someone else’s work is a big worry.
@@Jukebox1412 I want to say I'm scared because my stories could pass from prompt (drabbles and vignettes are fun to write!) but I honestly don't care if it's used that way
As an aspiring artist and fanfic enjoyer I just don't understand why AI bros gotta get their hands on creative fields out of all the issues out there 💀
I’ve seen people using those tiny ai writing assistants for writers block and I think that’s how far it should go. People work for years just for some trained algorithm to copy the patterns without knowing what it means. Don’t let it discourage you, if you write or draw! Human created things will always be better 💕
The AI that I use for writers block gives you short paragraphs, but never (in my experience) look like a human wrote it; you need a lot of specific details for the story to even resemble what you want it to. I like it because it goes off of ratings YOU give it to learn, not full-on web scraping. Like if you wanted a romantic scene but the AI starts leaning towards a fight, you can rate the paragraph as 'bad' and try again.
@@anangelnamedcecil4958 Yeah. Same here. I used AI Dungeon, which was supposed to be this RPG game thing (meaning it doesn't focus that much on writing, but more on the adventure). You can set how long you want your stuff to be, but even then, you would honestly save more time actually thinking of something yourself, which is what I do for the majority of the time I'm on the app. It either doesn't flow, is out of character, goes in some direction I wasn't thinking of, or it's just pure nonsense of sentences. It's often useless, sometimes humorous, but it sure makes my brain gears turning. A funny example would be when it decided to give my pirate character a donut. Whether there were sprinkles on it or not I don't remember.
I feel like the fact that AI trying to do things like writing, "make" (steal) from visual art and "make" music really shows how much the arts is devalued in our society in general and it's just weird that they're using AI to do that instead of having AI help people do daily tasks and such
Spot on here- AI is like- SUPPOSED to take over tasks that humans don't want to do, to give us more time to do things that we WANT to do. Not take over creative tasks. That's really just not the point of it. I really hate how little art is valued in culture, it's seen as either mindless popcorn to consume and discard or pretentious bullshit. I feel like people used to care more about it. maybe I'm wrong.
@@zephyr4254 Oh yeah it was respected way back then but according to history books and research the respect dwindled after more and more marginalized groups got into it and made money, suddenly flipping from a male dominated profession to a woman-dominated profession plus the industrial evolutions didn't help matters either since 90% of things that were made back then technically fell under artisans with technology sure it got faster but it cost a lot of people jobs and we lost a lot of techniques that are actually making a comeback because of social media which is cool tbh. I'm sure there were a lot of other reasons but these two points often pop up a lot, sorry for the long reply-
@@ravenstrife3586 I'll have to look more into it myself, seems like an interesting topic to study. I love looking into exactly why things are the way they are today. No worries about the long reply. I do it all the time.
@@ravenstrife3586 But women have always been writers. The first novel was written by a woman, and that was very common at the time (apparently there are even earlier novels, also written by women, because it was seen as a womanly thing to do was tell long stories).
I think it's a sign that there's a desire to make art, writing, music - all the creative practices - a sort of "zero effort, maximum profit" venture through AI. We live in a time where the establishment wants to exploit and commercialize everything so it can make as much money as possible, where ethics and even human lives are shunted to the side and devalued. The only thing that matters to the people who are pushing AI art/music/writing is that their content is *consumed* as much as possible; no thought to the organic human essence of storytelling and art that gives it its soul. Call me a conspiracist, but is the apparent push to replace human creators with AI just Elon Musk and his techbro cronies preparing for a post-Earth future where they can do away with the lower classes entirely on their Mars colony?
First visual art, now writing? Honestly, I have no idea where the creative arts are heading next. So many people who are passionate about what they can create might not even be able to to put food on the table twenty years from now, and as an artist that’s terrifying.
And even worse, there are AIs that can compose music (like full on pieces) in the style of pre-existing composers (only classical music from what I've seen but still terrifying)
@@chocolatemilk7157 the music industry is probably going to be the least effected out of any creative space due to the record labels actually having the resources to stop companies from stealing there music
I'm studying AI for my degree and wow, you explained it all so perfectly and easily! From the Natural Language Models to how they collect data and train on that data, spot on analysis. And amazing work on highlighting the ethical and legal implications of using fics in these models, since fics themselves straddle that legality line already. This is such an important video, and you knocked it out of the park!! And since everyone in the comments are worried about people in my field or of AI taking over, I can tell you two things: - One: the ethics, legality, and morality of using personal data (from basic things like your name/birthdate to even things you post online like art or fics) to create AI models is a huge part of our education, and anyone worth listening to in the technology field will understand that using that data/art/fics to train AI without consent is immoral. - And two: AI is scary, but it cannot replace you and your brain. An AI can only regurgitate things it has learned, but your brain has the ability to create new things! Your silly headcanons and doodles are infinitely more important than an AI rewriting Shakespeare.
I'm still VERY scared/anxious about the future of A.I. in creative fields, but reading this from someone on the other side who has insider knowledge on A.I. was surprisingly comforting. Hopefully this mess can be figured out sooner rather than later. My biggest fear with this is that more and more artists will no longer be able to make a living selling their work due to A.I. creating similar works faster and cheaper. Here's hoping that doesn't actually happen tho!!!
@@negligible_reality Nah, don't be scary. People underestimate their ability too much. I'm pretty sure AI can't write a good dead dove tag fanfic, lmao
@@negligible_reality Hopefully it does get figured out sooner than later because really, AI trained on stuff whose creators/artists haven't consented to being part of the training sets is a legal minefield of copyright and the splash zone at the human ethics theme park. Even then, I get that it's scary that artists' livelihoods could be taken away by immoral means. All I can say is that artists/writers/people make art while AI makes content, and AI can't hold a candle to the majesty of human creation. They have all the art on the internet, and yet they still can't get fingers right!
"anyone worth listening to in the technology field will understand that using that data/art/fics to train AI without consent is immoral." Unfortunately, they're not the people who actually get to make the AIs. The AIs currently in use are completely unethical and absolutely do use other people's art without consent. The techbros got ahead of the conversation.
I think the worst part is as artists of any form, it’s meant to be shared. But with writing and digital art especially, it’s to be shared ONLINE. I’m a writer and an artist, and it’s honestly killing me inside to know that what I love to do, make and share my work, is going to end up in someone greedy hand with zero credit. ITS SCARY that this entire community is being threatened! This is some peoples’ job and source of income, like how car dealers sells cars or real estate agent sells homes; except our job comes with added love with our work. To know that might be ripped and shredded is just plain sad.
Over half my fanfics include smut, so I guess I'm doing my part to make sure they break their own terms of service. A.I. shenanigans are good for a laugh, but their limitations make me less concerned about replacement. I do hope someone sensible can figure out how to legally limit those practices without accidentally messing up the internet though.
I appreciate that the queen of fandoms made a video on this. Everyone's scared (understandably so, of course, but panic can cause a decrease in rational thinking and even a whole lot of misinformation), so it's nice to see such a prominent figure lay out the facts, give suggestions on what we can do, and just generally calmly talk about the problem.
Yeah, there's a huge panic problem lately, i just wish everyone would calm down, educate themselves on the real problems, etc. I believe AI enthusiasts and artists can coexist, if we both stop being reactionary
As someone who writes fanfics and draws fanart… I hate this. Thankfully, I don’t think AI writing will replace fanfic writing like it may art (mostly due to money, seeing as I’ve seen less Fanfic comms in my life than I do art comms on a basic browse of anywhere an artist posts their works). However, it’s still disheartening to see a craft be sucked of it’s soul. Art and writing are what make us human, who the hell thought it was a good idea to remove the human aspect while stealing from the actual people who have contributed- unwillingly- to its creation!? AI art and writing are both horrible things, and I think it’s better that we shut them down. They will never have the precision and delicacy of humans, no matter how many times we train them, and no matter what with. For those who want prompts, there are PLENTY of prompt sites and accounts all over the Internet who will give you ideas, whether it’s for art or writing. PLEASE do not use an AI, it only harms artists and writers while lining the pockets of the techies that made the AI.
@@psgamer-il2pt try to create something of your own for once and get it stolen, than we'r talk, if you'r not from creative field in the first place your "opinion" don't count.
Man looking at the comments, I can’t agree more with the concerns. The whole AI situation just really frustrates me how these things completely miss the point of art and writing and how the process and the community around it is what makes it so important to many people. It may just be my personal biases and idealism but as an artist, pressing a button to instantly create art is fun but in the long run isn’t fulfilling. It doesn’t have the same feeling like when you finish something and then show it to your art friends, heck, sometimes the smaller (and shittier) silly doodles mean just as much as the finished stuff I make. I think the same goes for writing, especially fanfiction, like I personally don’t see the point of writing one if it isn’t for the fun of the process, coming up with ideas, discussing tropes or plot ideas with friends, and getting inspired to do something fun and then seeing it through when you put it down into paper. Sure AI can be useful for certain work efficiencies but if we rely on this in the future we’d probably lose the experiences within the process that AI removes
This speaks to me personally because you're right. There is nothing more satisfying than finishing a fic and having people read it and what not. This AI stuff is getting to be so ridiculous.
I just saw a fic that said it was created by AI and I was 'WTH⁉️🤨' I didn't end up reading it, but I thought it was weird. Thanks for making this video! (Edit) I'm going to try to find the fic. If I do find it again, I'll edit this comment again and talk about/how it was (Edit 2) It was Bowuigi, I looked through it on ao3 after Coley's other video, but the author did put in the description that they made it with ai, "I used an AI to generate this so shout out to NovelAI". I skimmed through it and it was kinda weird, like low-ish wattpad level fic. 🤷♀️
At some point it's gonna be like "bad" CGI. We only think CGI sucks because we only notice bad CGI. If someone doesn't put that AI label on a AI-generated work, no one will be able to tell the difference.
Had a discussion about AI recently and when I talked about how upsetting the whole thing with training it on other people's work without their permission is I just got a 'humans do the same when they look at other people's art' and 'they shouldn't have posted anything online if they didn't want it stolen'. Oh, and when I said that no artist would be happy when their hard work is taken advantage of, I was hit with a wonderful 'well, don't speak for other people, how would you know'. And this was from people who are close to me and know how much I enjoy drawing and writing. The humans and machines are nothing alike. Even if we ignore the fact that our minds are messy and we perceive everything through the lense of our own experiences, which makes every person's perspection of art unique, unlike a machine, you can boil it down to a really simple thing. I, as an artist and writer, would be honored to have a person analyzing my work and using it for inspiration or to improve their skills. I would not feel that way if years of learning and training were fed into a machine that cannot truly appreciate art and breathe a new meaning into it. I would not be happy with my hard work being used for personal gain by someone who does not really care about what they are creating. Because is it truly art if there is no real intention behind it other then to just spit something out and move on?
Hmm, I seem to feel kinda differently about this to most people. I'm wondering if it was watching CBBC's Eve when I was little - whether that changed my perspective on this whole AI thing.
I definitely agree with you as an artist myself, but at the same time I guess you'll have to accept that it's inevitable. even if you place as much measures as possible to NOT have your work stolen and fed to a machine, how can you guarantee that some asshat won't directly take your work and make a model out of it? The only way you can truly guarantee it is if you do not post your work online at all (and if you want to be extra cautious, don't even share it with friends), unfortunately. Not that I agree with data scraping, but that is the situation we are in. Of course, your feelings are still valid but it's best to acknowledge the risky situation you are in. Don't let it discourage you, and keep drawing and writing.
I write fanfiction as a coping mechanism to release my anger and pain towards my favourite characters instead of myself. So having AI generate written Fandom work seems fruitless. But it clearly doesn’t replace the creative minds of fanfic and fanart writers and artists, myself included.
I don’t normally comment on videos, But as a naturally panicky person and someone who read a lot of fanfic and appreciates the love and energy people put into their work, (and I will say I didn’t know this was happening until now) I’m glad this is the first thing I saw to learn about this, I really appreciate you taking the time to actually explain it.
Corporate greed infiltrated even something that was born out of love, ofc it's nothing new but it's still sad. To all artists and authors please keep going, you're the fundament of all fandoms❤
I'm so glad you addressed this, and I'm not the only person who hates the idea of replacing a writer's hard work that can be long as anywhere between days and YEARS- with something doing it in seconds- Thank you so much-
I'm barely a third of the way into the video, but Coley saying that fanfic writers apparently put their own snippets of writing into the machine and it would get excerpts from **their actual fanfic** made my fucking skin boil.
It's only been a little less than two years since I got into writing on ao3, but fanfiction has really become a huge hobby of mine. It's a shame that creators, who are already ridiculed and underappreciated, have to now deal with the rising issue of AI infiltrating fan spaces. Hopefully laws can be implemented in the future for these sorts of situations.
i read an amazing 3-4k word fanfic about 2 hours ago, and it had 3 kudos on it. 3. i’m kind of scared ai will make real-person-written fanfics harder to find, less accessible, and underappreciated even more so than it already is. thank you for making a video on this topic coley :)
I had this same conversation with a few other fic writers/artists a couple of weeks ago :3 We all came to the conclusion that the interaction between fans was what made fandom so special and made creation so satisfying. We talked about those moments where you get a comment saying "I loved that part when X said X" and you get to send them a paragraph on how you came up with the idea. That's what makes fanfic writing so enjoyable, so addicting. AIs can't replace that. Thank you for the video
LET'S GO FINALLY SOMEONE IS TALKING ABOUT IT, IT'S BEEN A MONTH Also: thank you, Coley, for impressing that we keep calm, that you'll be calm, and to reassure us that we can't be replaced. I archive-locked my (whole two incomplete) fics since I'm new(er) to posting on AO3, and this is making me consider unlocking them to guests. Both have hit walls with their hits, and while I don't write for the hits or kudos, they are nice to see when I can check and say "two more people saw fic 1! Another saw fic 2!" I'm really glad you made this video. Thank you.
@@BJGvideos no one I've seen is talking about it (edit: specifically AO3 scraping), sorry. I've just seen the occasional post on Tumblr reposting the reddit with not as much commentary as Coley
I had no idea this was such a major issue and I've been authoring on AO3 for months and reading for even longer. I knew art was an issue, but I didn't know they were getting this close and harmful. Thank you for sharing!
It’s terrifying that I literally wrote a research paper about this last year and now it’s playing out before my eyes 😞 Nothing can replace the value of human creation; keep making stuff my friends ❤️
@@DLCS-2 I wrote a research paper about the issue with AI taking our information and creations and using them to make money, among other things. While some things in my paper were already happening when I wrote it, stuff like this was being predicted and now I’m watching it happen :(
You know, I’ve written a fanfic using ai for my own personal entertainment then decided to share it, simply because I thought what the ai came out with was funny and strange. I had no idea how harmful it could be or even how scary it is! Thank you for sharing this knowledge with me so that I can be more mindful of things! 💕 I hope everyone is doing ok and aren’t freaking out too much! The community is here for everyone!
Overfitting on trained subsamples is what i'm really scared about. At some point, an AI will completely plagiarize something, and we have no clue which is which. Another thing that is scary is that there is already pushback on people who apparently "write or draw" like ai. Someone got banned on r/art because his artstyle looks like something that was ai generated, and was told to switch his artstyle, even though he could provide proof that he drew it himself. The whole situation is awful, really.
Overfitting is a rapidly lessening issue though. Text generators of the not-so-distant past would very frequently regurgitate exactly what they were trained on, yet now it only really happens when asking for a generic description of something in real life, like an animal or some scientific formula. The same is going to happen to AI art, and the main reason it's such a prevalent issue right now is due to them only having just recently gotten coherent enough for overfitting to even occur in a way that's visually identifiable. And even then, examples are far and few between. The broad negative implications continue, but the plagiarism argument is short-sighted.
As an artist AND a fanfic writer (and an original work writer) I wanna cry. This is NOT ok! I feel kinda helpless cause I also dont wanna lock my work that I spent laughs and tears on cause yeah, a lot of guest users read it too. Thankfully I barely have any art posted rn but I had planned to later in life. Either way it kinda feels like their taking my heart and using it to power a monster and I have to helplessly watch it destroy all I love. These fics and writing them were my escape, my home, a place I felt safe and able to express whatever I wanted. F*ck AI. I hope those who have the ability to help fix this issue actually do.
I legitimately almost wrote my extended essay for the IB diploma on fanfiction and Fandom, but quit the program so I never got around to it. This definitely feels like the type of stuff I'd write about
As an IBDP student that's so cool. I was also considering writing my extended essay on some media or fandom but our school has told us to do it based on the subjects we want to take when we go to uni.
@@chocolattefeverdreams4228 Yeah so I was planning to write that essay for the ITGS (information technology in a global society). It's all about like the ethical issues brought about by modern technology, so internet Fandom honestly slides in quite well
Hey, I studied and work with computers and AI (though not the sort of AI that's used to create images or write, more to do with sorting and clustering) and I just want to say, in terms of writing at the very least, i doubt AI will be able to make anything passable anytime soon, if ever. AI has a problem with memory - it may be able to string together sentences that make sense, or reference things that happened several paragraphs ago, but it has no concept of what a plot, characters, themes, etc are. Anything it writes longer than maybe a page (often shorter, depending on what AI and settings you're using) will generally be incomprehensible from a story standpoint. it may reference characters and plotpoints (or anything previously written) further down the line, but it's not doing that for the sake of the story, it's feeding what its already written back into itself in an attempt to stay on topic. Also, AI is often reluctant to let anything actually happen in a story. if your plot's goal is to go rob a bank or something, the AI will often either make no progress towards getting to said bank, or you'll instantly rob the bank and then there's nothing to do. AI is bad at telling an actual story without help. AI writing is kind of like talking to a parrot. Can the parrot speak? yes. Can it respond to things you say? yes. Does it actualy understand what its saying and string together a full conversation? generally no. You could probably write a book with an AI, but you'd have write and remind it constantly of the plot, create set characters that you'd have to correct it on, edit the output heavily, and rerun the AI countless times to get something passable, stitching together the outputs into something comprehensive. With all that work, it would probably be easier to just write it yourself.
Yeah there's no way for them to know what makes a story "good". When you generate an ai story or are talking to a chatbot and it brings up something it said previously, it feels equivalent to a bad jump scare in a horror movie. Like, "ooh look at this! The ai remembers the thingy! that means its smart.". They have no sense of conflict or theme and are incapable of making meaningful social commentary. On top of that, since a huge portion of the internet is english, ai is kind of awful at most other languages. There's so much slang and cultural nuance you find when hearing someone speak a language, that when it just translates stuff directly from english it doesn't feel right.
I think the threat of AI towards fanfiction is a valid concern. While AI can certainly assist in the creation of content, it's important to remember that it can never fully replace the creativity and passion of a human writer. Fanfiction is all about expressing oneself and exploring one's own interests and ideas, and that's something that AI simply cannot do. It's important for us to embrace and support the human elements of fanfiction and not let ourselves be replaced by machines. Edit: The fact that this comment got 58 likes and 3 comments without anyone picking up on the fact that an AI wrote it is troubling.
Weak Ai? Yes, can't replace that. Strong AI? [Which does not exist yet], Nope. Those can theoretically simulate and completely 1 for 1 recreate the human experience- essentially taking a single day to experience a theoretical human lifespan, thus making them the best authors with the most experience.
I knew about the AI artist issue but,I didn't know it was going after fanfiction and writing too. This video put me both on edge and made me feel a bit better now that I know exactly what is going on.
@@aquaticalateralis Oh, lol, you don't need to worry about that. We'll own nothing and be happy. Like we _kind of_ already do, when you think about it.
@@normanclatcher not if they program it right now tbh, there's talks of unchecked biases and constant double-takes going on in the medical field. How can we hope to create something without bias when we ourselves are unaware of ours? Pressing X to doubt here. And that's ignoring the massive ethical and psychological impact of medical care devoid of an actual human. Who knows what that will do to our wellbeing? I don't wanna fuck around and find out.
i occasionally write fanfics but i’m also an amateur data scientist, so i dabble in AI and machine learning too, but all that is for my own private and non-profit fun of finding patterns in my hobbies and fandoms, so it really pisses me off that these corpos are monetising on fan work and ruining things for not just creatives but as well as AI hobbyists like me
Ai can never replicate a good fic where the author says English isn’t their first language, turn a smut one shot into a plot filled story, a y/n story into something so enriching or funny. Nor can turn a crack ship into something so beautiful that it convinced me to ship it.
Unfortunately, the progression of technology will not be stopped. It’s crazy to think, but when it comes to technology many who are against such AI could be labeled as conservatives when it comes to technology. However, like in real world, liberalism and progression always overtakes conservatism in the long run. Even if it may take decades or centuries.
@@clutchjs122 the problem isn’t ai and what it’s does it’s literally the fact it’s STEALING in the music AIs they use copyright free music and voices but in art they use all of art that’s ever posted, but how would it differentiate between art and photos? My assumption it doesn’t so it uses PRIVATE photos as well most likely. My problem with ai is that is evolving faster than ethics and with ai’s users being unsympathetic, cruel and degrading to artists who are already treated awfully by people. I am all for AI being used ETHICALLY you are missing the point or the feelings of most artists in that we are all for new tools and technology to make life or professional work easier. We don’t want it to use people’s work or images that they don’t consent to being used and in art mediums are differentiated so why must ai be in the same category or treatment as digital? TLDR this isn’t a conservative viewpoint, I am all for innovation but I am against a lack of ethics within AI and ai art currently and people like who who think inevitably should mean a lack of ethics.
I believe there is already a case in which a comic used Midjourney's AI for its images. While the author did indeed come up with the story by themselves, the comic as a whole is in the process of losing all copyright as "copyrightable works require human authorship". So, in the case of fanfic and published works dealing in AI, it may be ruled that no copyright can be held on the entirety of a given work if unaltered AI generated content is found to be contained within it. It's not a full solution, but a small win is still a win.
As someone who writes fanfic, I personally don’t mind if my works are used in training AIs. I just don’t want someone up and stealing them, posting it elsewhere without my knowledge. Slippery slope I know. What I don’t agree with is taking works from those who don’t want them to be used in any AI stuff. People pour their very heart and souls into their fics, and it’s sad to have it taken.
@@xAlectoyou consent when you upload your work online for the public to see. It's in the fine print none of you bothered to read apparently. I get being pissed but let's not spread lies
@@sola_a I seriously doubt that granting permission for your data to be combed by AIs is in the fine print. AO3 is years old: for those of us who have been here since it started, something like this would have sounded kind of sci-fi at the time. Cleverbot was the best AI generated writing you got, and it was very obvious you were talking to a machine. Edit; also, especially the for profit part. AO3 is not for profit- that’s why it can survive. That’s why you can’t advertise fic commissions or even tip-jars on it.
The weird thing is that I never imagined AI reaching fanfiction sites to this extent and using the works that many authors put a lot of time and love into. Fics are my personal safe space, and the idea that its going to be intruded on by and AI is horrifying. I wish all the authors and readers out there the best of luck in these upcoming years.
As a fanfic writer I know from experience how hard sometimes it can be to write a good detailed fic, it can take a lot of time, so it's very upsetting to have some damn ai create fanfics under a minute or so AND make profit out of it
At least getting the details right fucks with your digital footprint, given recent things I’ve looked up I’m moving to the US and marrying a citizen and then taking skiing lessons in Austria.
Been putting off finishing my smut fic, but I'm gonna do it now to fight back against bad bots 💪💪 Seriously though, be careful with ai guys. This isn't just a problem with writing AI but many photo ai apps will also deliberately steal any images you put into them for use without your say in it. This means your photos, your face, your art, and otherwise. It's a scary place right now for creative spaces across the internet, so if you've been as apathetic as I have before, make the step to keep yourself safe now
I was nosey and decided to ask ChatGPT to write me fanfiction in the style of my AO3 account. Horrifyingly, the AI not only did a spot-on impression of my writing style it also chose a ship that I read about frequently, but have never written for.
tbh the creativity and the sparks people have in fandom are some of my favorite things about fan creations. hella respect to all my fanfic writers and fan artists.
Honestly with all this ai art stuff going on it's really made me reconsider taking drawing and writing as a profession becuase I don't wana break my back trying to compete with an ai just to earn a small amount of money, but I'll keep doing both as an hobby.
I know right first we put a stigma on them then we shame them for actually trying to live a life and sell their work for what it is worth then people stole it to sell as nfts and now we are having their art be stolen so that people can "create" ai art
@@unknown_raven975 Honestly, I think you might be onto something. Everyone wants the gratification of having content made for them. But the second they have to give a helping hand to the creators, they suddenly go 🦯 🥸
Us artists are getting replaced by AIs and it's awfully sad. I've been practising to draw for more than 6 years, I dedicated myself to learn english way before i decided to draw and then there's some AI.
actually, you know what, watch me write some multifandom fic where our world is collapsing toward an ai-run dystopian internet, so people start doing shit with paper again. the fandom characters see shit crashing down around them as actions get clunky due to ai writing them, terrible shit is happening, and... idk. shit, that's a whole possible genre of fic right there.
playing off this (because honestly one thing AI will never get is the sharing of ideas between two different people with different experiences and points of view), it would be interesting to write a weird crossover between reality and fiction. part of it could be written by AI, or you coul write it yourself if that’s not your style, and it could be clunky and some characters could be ooc while others are super confused. meanwhile in reality fanfic has been mostly taken over by AI and writers have taken back writing on paper and sending everything via physical mail. so it could, like, devolve into this weird double dystopian world where artists in real life have gone back to paper and other physical means, while in the fictional world there’s double characters in any given world-those written by the writers and the zombie-like written by AIs.
AI filters are fun as a FILTER on Snapchat or something. If you can’t draw and can’t write, then choose a different line or work or improve yourself, I’d say.
I’m so happy that a big creator is addressing this. people need to know that ai art of any form, writing included, can be so harmful to creative communities and become a really big problem.
Well, out of sheer curiosity I went and tried Sudo Write. I started with a vague paragraph of Xie Lian (not mentioning names) wondering if Hua Cheng is the child he saved all those years back and the AI generator was thoroughly confused. I kept building the content in steps, slowly introducing more names and context and it still did not seem to recognize the TGCF fandom. Finally, I ended up writing close to 540 words and the AI generator still remained clueless and started providing me with author's notes suggestions XD
A UA-camr I like recently made a video where he used an AI to write a script in the style of his channel. The video was eerily accurate to his content. We can't be sure, but the fan community generally surmised that this was likely due to all of the UA-cam RPF the fandom had generated over the years informing the AI's understanding of who this creator was and how he tends to write his video scripts. Absolutely wild times we're living in.
It's also possible that the scraper can read the captions for UA-cam videos. Those are just text after all. And now the tools are proving to be surprisingly knowledgeable about UA-cam tropes, all the way down to the boring cliche clickbait titles.
I understand using AI to check spelling or sentence structure for people who don’t speak English as their first language (and who don’t have any fluent English speaking friends or test readers) but I’m horrified how the creativity of humanity is being crushed little by little, week by week. I love writing and I’ve been doing art so long I don’t remember what age I was when I started. I wanted to work in the creative industry- but now I suppose I have my mom to thank for saying I can’t put food on the table with art and am learning to be a vet instead.
You’re mom was wise I believe, such advise might save your future. Although, if there is any time to be great, it is now. In the final shouts in the battle of Thermopylae, King Leonidas went down in history as he went down with his men. Many centuries after Macedonia saw the end of a great Sparta, we still talk of Leonidas and his legendary stand, even though the weapons and tactics of now will squash them like a ant under a boot.
Man artists and writers can''t have a break at all. As an upcoming artist and writer, hearing about how ai is being used for stuff like this scares me and makes me genuinlely concered yet discouraged. Artists and writers put so much time and effort into what they love and share it to anyone else online who enjoys the same things. I hope this doesn't escalate to the point where ai is used for everything. However, I will keep my hopes up that it won't and the storm will pass by sooner rather than later.
As someone who has been writing fanfic for the past 6 years, I'm genuinely puzzled by this development. If these years have thought me anything, is that if I want to see a story written how I want it, I have to do it myself. It's literally impossible to have someone or something else write everything I want to see in my story exactly as I want it. The monetization issue is just not sitting right with me either. The fact that I spend 1.5 years completing a fic (and it's Genshin too, which Hoyoverse declared is not copyrighted) and then an AI baby can just eat it all up and use it for something that DOES earn money is an extra slap in the face. I knew from the beginning that I will not get money for spending much of my free time making entertainment bc of copyright and I was fine with it, I still am, because my own and my readers enjoyment matters most, but that doesn't mean it doesn't sting if somebody else can make money off of my work through AI. I'd lock my fics but they've already been out there for years, so there's not much sense in it. I hope that the fandom community's voice and the wonderful people who are behind Ao3 will quickly shut this down.
The core of fandom is the people and no robot can take over. Fanfic are so undeniably human, like hey I like these characters and I want to imagine what would happen if they had a different life so I wrote it down for any of you who might also share my interests. The locking method is really good for now I think and I hope all the writers dont loose hope!!! We're here to read your fics that you put your heart into!! Not some fix by a bot
I want to cry. I typed a few things into this from an obscure fandom, hoping it'd be safe and I recognized a few lines from my friends fanfic. What can we do against this.
I know this comment is a bit old but don’t. This video just seems to be creating alarm where it doesn’t seem needed. Your not getting automated out of your hobby it’s not a job. You will be fine.
@@Solarstormflare that’s sucks but geez there’s no need to kill yourself. Besides everyone here is talking about their fan fictions being stolen acting as if chatgpt being created is now going to outlaw writing as a hobby. Writing as a job hasn’t been very profitable for a while and it’s probably going to be less profitable now and that sucks if you truly love to do it but please don’t kill yourself be more flexible then that, your still allowed to write pal.
you know, as an asexual i can't think of anything greater than shutting down writing AIs by spamming fandom creation sites with a shit ton of quality smut
I'm in the art community and AI art is a really stinky situation right now. I'd rather not go into the details about it, but the thing is really bad... REALLY BAD. Short: People will need to take AI seriously and not let anyone get away with using it however they want. There are organizations, (I'm in one that is made by artist) and we need to stand up against it while we can. Because if we don't... possibly within a few decades (or less), after all forms of art become automatized, the entire internet is going to be +99% AI generated, practically turning the internet into television. Nobody can participate in it, you can only turn it on and watch what happens to be running. You may say that people will always write better than AI, but it won't matter once a fandom will have a billion fics, out of which a thousand will be human written. It can't replace humans, but it can bury us so deep we won't see each other anymore. Pro-AI people who exactly want this are going to say that I'm fearmongering. No... I'm warning you. We must spread awareness!
One day in the far future, I believe many will see such endeavors to preserve ‘creativity’ as a fools errand. Like the crusades, people post singularity will not think like you or me, instead you would be the last bastion of resistance against the inevitable. I must say anyways, I believe your cause is noble, but fruitless. Like a man standing in front of a truck to stop it, the truck will continue without much issue.
@@clutchjs122 I want to quote Stan Prokopenko: "Just because robots will one day learn how to speak, we shouldn't stop doing it." Also, people during the crusades were talking about the times when they recapture the Holy Land and all go to Heaven after the Judgment Day. It seems like a good analogy to the way people talk about singularity nowadays. You may say that you know for a fact that it's not a fairy tale and it will happen. People in the 11th century were just as convinced.
@@SylvesterLazarus Even if the singularity was a myth, AI still develops as well as quantum computers. As computers transition into the quantum and biological realm, the truck, albeit a bit slower, will run over the man. Unless the end is upon us, AI will advance beyond us.
@@clutchjs122 Every person in human history who experienced any sort of existential threat believed that they were living in the end times. People believed the world wars to be the end, they believed the bubonic plague was the end, they believed that the fall of Rome was the end. Did they change the world forever? Yes, they did. People never learned to fly either, the planes advanced beyond them. They never learned how to communicate telepathically, but we're talking with each other from the opposite sides of the world. Of course we changed, but humanity is not placeable on a linear progression line with machines. Will we eventually change forever? Yes, of course, but will we just abandon everything like creativity or find new kinds of appreciation of it and new ways of self-expression? Will we leave all we have to the AI that will find new meanings for all of that? Unsure, but it doesn't matter. What we need to always do is being critical about things and turn them for the better. For example: teaching each other about issues like the internet being in danger of turning into something objectively worse with certain forms of automatization that may alienate us once again and bring back the era before the internet, then after we left the world for the next generation in the best form we managed to make it, then they can think about what's next, whether they will be using quantum computers for genetic engineering or something else entirely.
@@SylvesterLazarus Sometimes though, such fall do mark the end of cultures. The fall of the Qing dynasty in the early 20th century marked the end of Confucian civilization. The fall of the Ottomans completed Europe’s dominance over the world which still can be considered true in terms of development. Also, disease did mark the end for some, The natives in the Americas, after smallpox swept through them, entire cultures and kingdoms disappeared. Centuries later, people with much native blood are discriminated against. The rise of AI, I believe will not be the end of creativity, but it may be the end of humanity’s dominance over creativity.
I agree with Coley here. At this stage, we're still dealing with Artificial Narrow Intelligence (ANI). ANI will not be replacing you, your writing, your creativity, or your brain any time soon. A lot of this is -- well, I don't want to say exaggerated -- but brought to prominence because of our fear of the unknown, but we will evolve and learn to grow alongside such technology. That said, in no way do I think it's okay that this stuff is being scraped without our consent. (But at the same time, I have to ask: if they asked consent and we said no, where would their training sets come from?) And with that, I'll be heading back to my machine learning and AI course lol.
I'm not a writer and I don't think AI is likely to replace fanfic anytime soon so mostly I just find it hilarious that people outside fandoms may accidentally get fandom responses if they use common names like Steve or Tony or Will or if they want something about Sherlock Holmes or doctors. I do also think it's absolutely bs that these companies are making money off of work that is not allowed to make money, though. Maybe we should point some overzealous writers at them Edit: and by writers, I mean authors of the source material
I’m terrified that AI will take over out entertainment, cause then it’ll just force us to do work since AI can already do the things we do for entertainment but “better”
It's funny seeing techbros defending AI-generated content and their right to mine creators out there, but try telling them their engineering, programming, accounting could also become automatized by training an AI, and they suddenly act sooo offended at the mere thought.
I’m not sure where you got that notion. Automating programming with GPT was one of the first things that they looked at (copilot), trained on open source github data. There have been some controversy over using even open source github because some say its stealing code that others wrote on github. The effectiveness of AI in coding is that it will help the small errors (kind of like fixing grammar and spelling) and is really good at small scale, but it cannot build entire systems yet (writing an entire story). Even then, the AI will still make mistakes on the small scale, and expertise is needed to parse through what is wrong (for coding).
@@howdocowsfly I don't think you understood my comment at all, I know AI will take a while to replace any human task or ability, the point of my comment was that techbros defending AI generated images by mining the art created by real artists without their permission will often act hypocritical if you try to suggest that their jobs will also be taken over AI.
@@howdocowsfly I got that part, but again, that wasn't the point of my comment, if it's possible or not is unconsequencial to my comment, because I was pointing out the hypocrisy pf techbros, not arguing whether or not such thing was possible.
this is… horrifying. Thank you. I’ll educate myself more about this. While I agree fandom is going nowhere, the authentic voices of the authors whose works have been scraped… I maybe have 10k total words to my ao3, but like. That’s enough to develop a voice for how I write. That’s enough to develop a voice for others’ writing.
Personally, I won't archive lock my fics either. Mainly since the fandom is niche enough and it's a blessing to get a crumb of fanfic from that community and I'm thankful to be one of the people to share my works with the community. Though the situation really sucks.
This is definitely an important conversation that needs to be had. I don't mind the fact that AI is scraping and using fanfics in its dataset, but I do have an issue with the fact that it's being taken and monetized. Cuz AI is fun, AI research is interesting, AI has a lot of applications, etc. etc., but using free narratives to create something you have to pay for? No. I'm not about that. Also for those of y'all worried about AI taking over or whatever, it's not gonna happen at any point in the near future (like, it can be fairly obvious when something's written by AI) and, even if it does take over, it won't replace the care, love, etc. a person puts into their work.
I spent the majority of this video experiencing a growing pit of despair in my stomach, but then the speculation at the end about maybe how we can combat it, and especially the “without the slightest whiff of debauchery” line, completely lifted my spirits!
I’m honestly scared that this would go so bad to the point that artists and writers would actually need to go on strike for people to actually grasp the situation. It sounds so extreme, but I fear we might have to do that to get our problems on the map. Even then there’s this very awful chance that that would just make AI more powerful because the content are scarce, and I just know there are desperate people out there who would end up turning to AI to satisfy themselves. At that point we’ll just end up needing a deepweb website with everchanging passwords, and even then we need to gatekeep the hell out of it. This is such a shitty situation overall 😭😭😭
Coley, I have been a fan of yours for a while, but, man, I have to say. I have never been more proud to be one of your loyal followers and subscribers than I am today after watching this video, as you addressed several key points and also put your own magic into it, so to speak. It was a thoroughly enjoyable and enlightening watch (as always), and I am very happy to be here with you :D
Thank god someone's one this. As a fellow writer this is a touchy subject and it makes me feel like all the hard work that I've done over the years as a fandom/fanfic/smut writer like I don't measure to what this can do
As a fanfic author, I'm super gad you make videos like this, as I don't use much social media outside of ao3 and yt, I don't see news like this until videos like this are made. I love your solution to the problem just being make more smut XDD. *You don't have to read the rest :) Personally, I'm going to make my long fics unavaliable to non-registered people but I'll keep the short fics and smut fics accessible. I think this is a good middleground of not letting webscraping AI find my work but also allowing guests to see my stuff and enjoy fanfics. This is because my longfics are ongoing, and it'll keep my future writing out of the collections, while my already taken work can't be helped.
The fic writers discord I’m in had this conversation when the news dropped and the only reason everyone didn’t archive-lock our fics was because our ao3 rec bot (named FRIDAY, so you know what our base fandom is) can’t give a summary, just an error message that it’s locked. (It makes getting feedback for bingo a lot harder) It’s a super important thing to talk about, heavy topic or not. Really appreciate you bringing it to your audience, despite a lot of us in the fandom space already being aware to some degree (imo, it’s more important then just so nobody goes off on some half-cocked crusade and gets home run batted off our beloved sites)
I got to admit, as a aspiring artist and a fanfic writer as a past time this is kinda disheartening to hear that ai is doing this, but until the world is filled with fake art and fanfics I will write and draw my little heart out! Lots of love from me❤❤❤️
I’m making “art” (illustrative designer) as my career and I love writing fanfiction. I feel like I’m going to be lost in the next five years because my job is going to be nonexistent and that’s terrifying. Even my hobby will be down in the dumps if this continues. Coley, your words are reassuring and does a lot for me. Thank you.
i was concerned when the whole art by ai thing blew up, but because im not an artist whatsoever, i wasn't really able to grasp the full magnitude of the situation. now that fanfiction and by extension creative writing is being replicated by ai, im freaking out a little... ai really needs to stop making art in any form, otherwise people are going to be forced out of something that is supposed to be made by and made for people.
Technology is not going to force anyone out of their hobbies. That's not how that works. Even in the worst case scenario where AI writers somehow become better than humans (which I consider extremely unlikely), sewing machines have existed for over two centuries and there's still people out there who hand sew their own clothes because they want to. Also, it's worth pointing out that AI music generators have been around for about a decade by now and yet human composers are still getting hired, so maybe this whole AI art thing won't be as big a deal as people think. We should still push back against unethical data mining, but I don't think there's any risk of AI abolishing human creativity or anything like that.
First AI art, and now writing. It's just so heartbreaking how creative works have slowly been overtaken by AI. As if being able to express emotion, one way of doing so is through art, isn't the _basic_ form of humanity that we have anyway. I try to be optimistic about all of this topic but I just... ugh.
AI cannot replicate the fanfics written by the people that say English isn’t their first language and then proceed to bust out a masterpiece and even if there are mistakes it makes it seem more natural and lifelike
I see so many of those then they never have mistakes at all
yeah
whenever i read a quality fic that has that i try my best to comment something along the lines of "literally what mistakes your English is amazing!!"
Did you have to say bust out
@@MiniKitty27 well, it's either the fanfiction sucks reaaaaallly bad because it's not their first language, OR it's a masterpiece
AI cannot recreate a crack fanfic concept purely made for smut and end up accidentally creating an actual plot instead of the smut it was suppose to write.
Edit: Let's just say despite my fanfic history, I tend to write plot more than "plot"
"Just as they were fucking, the Fire Nation attacked"
And then it turns out that you have inspired other fics because the worldbuilding in your smut is apparently /that/ good.
Indeed, the least AI can do is creating something based on other fanfics. They cannot crate something "specific".
They obviously cannot recreate my JJBA angst fluffy domestic family where Diavolo tries to be good father to Trish modern AU.
@@artofthepossible7329 should you be flattered or cringe deep in your soul ?
@@DLCS-2 why not both
The biggest problem with AI is that they were supposed to be created to replace the hard/difficult jobs that no one wants to do but someone has to, NOT to replace our creativity and use of free time so we can work even more 💀💀
This. This is the one that I'm questioning a lot.
Like most things it's now being used by corporations to cut costs, regardless of any ethical concerns.
Finally someone with brain and not someone living in fake utopia, I'm wondering what happens if ai replaced everything wouldn't be everyone become jobless? And no job means no money right? So will government pay us for just sitting in house?
We love slaving away for capitalism /s
It almost feels like.... That's what they want
If every artist, writer, sculptors are put our of business with ai, they'll be forced to work "real jobs" (serve capitalism), and make the gears of capitalism run faster
AI's won't destroy humanity.... Their creators will.
I used to be ashamed of basically growing up with fanfiction, but looking back I can definitely say I had fun. You're absolutely right, nothing will ever replace the interaction between fans, all the fanart, the wild author notes, all that.
I stand by this statement.
Fanfiction carries me through life even now
Girls fetishizing gay men 🤢
honestly, they really chose the wrong people. The fanfic communities I’ve seen are not only good at making points and standing up for what they love, but also strongly connected by their love of literature and the content.
Sequel to Newsies, here we go~
Also, some of our stupidity is too weird for AI lmao
And it's not for nothing that AO3 has an army of lawyers.
if only anything involved in this was *choosing* people, rather than researchers not even thinking about it on that level and just wanting to get funding and published
@Eren Jeagar The bigger problem is that AI has a history of just taking work. It's making fun and hobbies a free labour for their tools.
As a (hobbyist) fanfiction author and (professional) artist, I feel like I'm being harassed by the people who make these AIs at this point.
Keep going, as a human you and what you create/learn have more value in my opinion than something artificial. I'm an artist as well and I'll always support other artsists
Same
As a student in AI and NLP, the general vibe in the field right now is "What could AI be capable of?", not "What should AI do?". I think you guys are right to be concerned. 2023 is probably gonna be focused on using AI to *identify* text that has been generated by other AI, to help in returning agency to artists. At least, I hope that's what we'll achieve in 2023.
@@brightonpauli3916 as an artist and aspiring comic writer, I can only pray your hopeful predictions of AI developers attitudes towards AI-generated stuff that puts the futures of people like me at risk comes to pass. I ain’t about to not write my stories just because some basement-dwellers on Twitter think their AI-sama can do what artists and writers do better than them (even though AI literally relies on theft for it to be even slightly good at this stuff because computers aren’t creative)
You got this! Were all doing it to try and find an artstyle and writing style from the rp servers to develop all!
ai will never replace ao3 writers going through a literal hurricane and apologizing for posting a week late
Ikr, I miss a week of posting because I wasn’t motivated and didn’t want to put out a rlly bad and short chapter, I go to read a fic and the authors like
‘I was hit by a LITERAL BUS. So I wrote this in the hospital, sorry if it has a few mistakes’
I’m afraid of a dystopia where we all have to go get our fanfics from a public fanfic library. Like, authors have to take their fanfics to an in-person fic-binder which makes the book and then the fics get transported to a library.
I really hope it doesn't come to that in the future but sadly it has the opportunity to happen since the people behind the ai are rich people who can probably afford to bail themselves out of legal troubles.
But it would be a little funny, wouldn’t it? Because fanfiction isn’t “real writing,” it’s pushed to the internet, and then ai starts taking over any creativity in the digital space so fanfics get pushed back to physical writing. I just think it’s an interesting idea, but it probably won’t happen.
That means we would possibly have to touch grass in the process...this is not the type of ai apocalypse I expected
No but I'd like that
It would be much easier to make fanfic-reading friends in that apocalypse, wouldn’t it? I guess that’s a silver lining. Positivity rarely ever hurts anyone.
I read by a “written by AI” fic on AO3. To be fair the author said they did edit it a little but it was definitely an average okay fanfic. Which is terrifying to me.
AI needs to stop taking over everything. AI art is scary enough as it is.
I don’t know, as a writer myself, these assistants have helped me drastically.
I agree with the reply above and as someone who is both a training artist and writer in their free time
AI art is less obvious and easier to pass as actual art because it looks aesthetically pleasing as a whole. It takes a more trained eye to actually spot out the flaws
And yeah AI fics are all very mid. Characterization is inconsistent and the plot’s nonexistent. Good for one paragraph to help get me out of a writer’s block slump but a whole fic? Forget it. It’s either gonna be obvious that it’s AI or one of those mid fics that you’ll just skip over anyway
I am of the opinion that AI should only be used as a tool to help people, not replace them, and to do the work that humans don't want to. sadly some people think that it can and should replace creatives and people in general. it's a really weird take but i've seen it.
@@InkSans_FandomSoda how exactly do you use these tools to help yourself? I'm a writer and relatively new to AI, although I have a great distaste for it. Genuine question, not looking to judge, but you don't have to answer!
Im a singer, and if ai starts making songs, we’re fucked man 💀💀
I remember seeing an AI spit out a ton of author’s notes apologizing for not posting- because it apparently got hit by a bus
wheeze.
God I wish
It's trying to blend in with other fics. Can't even have artificiality be immune to the Isekai truck of good fortune...
I wish thay got isekeied somewhere else
Admittedly I've seen some insane reasons for people taking a haitus. From homelessness and storm outage to military coups and actually being commited to a psychiatric hospital. Funniest one was wrist sprain due to writing too much.
im so glad a fanfic creator is talking about this!! it has the potential to become a real problem and we need to address it
But how???
@@psgamer-il2pt people with bad intent can make spam bots to overtake a website, I'm sure. It happened with LBP 3 and if they can do it once, they do it as many times as they want.
@@rainier-lemons that's not answering my question
@@psgamer-il2pt wwwwwwhat is your question?
@@psgamer-il2pt its a problem because creating fanfics through some processor takes away from the heart of writing
What concerns me most as a College English teacher is that students are ALREADY using GPT to write essays for them before I even get a chance to see how they really express themselves through writing.
It’s fucked up. I’m forced to consider that my students will have to write their essays in class while I’m in the room. I don’t want to treat my students like children.
simple. deduct points if the thing is used.
Honestly as a student, I'd much rather just write the thing in the classroom to begin with. It'd help me and make my classmates actually have to work.
@@delusionaldreamer8332 I see this point, but also as a college English major I would HATE to have to write my essays or similar written works in class. I have so many writing assignments that it would kill all of my time management if I had to write everything in class. Also, I’m the kind of writer that likes to start assignments early and sit on them for as long as I reasonably can. It’s how I make my best work. And there’s definitely other people like that in college. I feel like a better solution might be to put all AI generated written works under the academic dishonesty clause, but obviously it might be difficult to tell if a student has used AI, especially as these programs get more advanced
And how would we know? It keeps evolving and doesn’t register what it gives you. You can try to find out if a student has plagiarised an existing work sure, but that’s a bit difficult if it’s written by AI as that work doesn’t exist but is made by the AI at that moment. Sure, if it’s compiled of a lot of direct quotes, which the AI will not indicate as being quotes in footnotes and such, you could find out, but if it changes it enough, there’s no way you’ll know.
Kid are going to be using AI if they have access to it. I'd recommend teaching them the pros and cons of relying on AI and teaching them how to take AI content and make it better.
AI can absolutely be a good tool if kids know how to use it to enhance their work
As an artist who is in college to do animation as a job, AI art is the biggest slap in the face to me. It’s bullshit that someone can just press a button and get art that someone else days or weeks to make
Not to mention said "art" is most likely if (not just outright absolutely) made from stolen artwork that probably did take days or weeks...
@@loserme414 The AI is not stealing, it's learning. We all look at other people's art. The AI does not create a copy.
Except if the AI copies the style of a specific artist. They shouldn't do that.
People should be allowed to do that though, because how could you draw something that didn't conform to any pre-existing style? But AI could be trained to avoid it.
Some AI have their own style: Near-photorealism but without the anatomy or perspective. Objects flowing into each other. Difficult for a human to emulate. They should stick to that.
@@Mecharnie_Dobbs Nah, it IS stealing. Even when humans study art, it takes years of practice and skill to actually get to a place where a master study looks even borderline comparable, let alone decent.
I've been drawing since I was a toddler, and at 26 finally at a place where I'm getting recognised at a wider level where people will pay me real money.
Art is about the process, a lifelong one, not just about the output. A human can never copy exactly, and will always have traces if themselves influenced by experience and limitation, biases and life experience.
AI is just a grift.
@@Mecharnie_Dobbsexactly. The only difference really is time. Ai learns faster. Artists are just panicking rn so they have to spread takes like this to feel better about themselves
@@sola_a I think the worry is genuine. Because companies can easily start using AI for graphic designs. That means one way of earning is taken from actual artists. I wouldn't still say the whole concept of artistic career is in danger. Apart from companies that only care about making money, regular people want to see art made by real people. It's like with hand made clothes. Those products will still have their buyers but the majority is nowadays buying factory-made clothes.
I’ve read a few fics where it’s like “AI HELPED me write this!” And it’s so easy to tell where the author made it vs where the AI did. It’s so emotionless and it’s hard to describe but it feels almost wrong, like the AI is just making things it’s seen before(which it is) and it just removes all the uniqueness of the author’s writing style
I've considered seeing if AI could help me out when I have writer's block. But if I did, I would use it for inspiration only. None of what it put out would actually make it into my final story, I would just use it to try to get some ideas as to where to go next - and then write it myself.
@@conlon4332when I get writers block/can’t think of how to write the scene, I’ll open character ai and use the writing bot, or use gramarly’s ai. But I don’t copy it. Instead, I look at the ai blurb, and rewrite some of the idea I like into what I want. The part that I plan to add to my work is barely recognizable if you look at the ai blurb and then back to my work.
Woao, remember when people said that robots and ai would do the boring work for us so we could focus on art ? Yeah.... Those were good times....
I hate how some people are so open with the idea of AI doing art when artist and writers are already struggling in this world, they don’t deserve to be replaced. This is like when places started to fired cashiers because of auto check out. Also AI could never give us stories or art with the same passion or love that artist and writers do. I don’t want in the future to look at mediocre art or read mediocre stories, created by AI. I should also point out how the AI is basically stealing the work of said artist and writers that they are replacing, like talk about rubbing salt on a wound.
Their works aren't being used for creating content without their permission.
And what if it wasn't stealing and was ethical? I say blame the people who are currently using it as a replacement, but ai is a tool that can assist people who can't create said content on their own
Many people who are in favor of Ai art are former NFT- and crypto bros and they act accordingly.
They swarm to any video that criticizes or has concerns with Ai. It can make it seem like nobody cares about artists. I'm sure they will find this video soon, too.
Just remember that normal people who leave their house DO care about the ethics of the situation.
Let’s be honest there is absolutely no way AI writing is ever gonna become mainstream media without lots of tweaking and at least some creativity. Art however, I’m not to sure, the future for us artists is something we can only tell by time.
I do agree that it is stealing, the style of artists. It isn't really stealing work directly but using freely available content to make something which you intend to monetize is super gross and there needs to be a way where we can get data and not screw people over.
I guess what I'm saying is "if copyright worked then copyright would work" which isn't super helpful but I am super excited to see AI develop and I hope one day we can really just fire up a machine and have it spit out full (high quality) artwork of any type but, this is not an ok way to do that.
honestly everything happening with AI right now is genuinely horrifying. I really hope more people recognise the issue so we can see some laws and regulations around AI generated media, because right now its a dumpster fire.
it's crazy to think we're actually nearing an idealized future. us creators will just have to push, through. as someone who wants to become an author, i sometimes struggle seeing a future for myself.
While I agree to some extent I'm actually more worried about the consequences of laws and regulations. First of is that international laws against ai is extremely unlikely and even less likely to be enforced equally in all countries, so it might stop scraping by companies in the US, but not from one in Vietnam (as an example.) In the long run these laws might actually hurt artists more than the ai companies.
Secondly is that laws and regulations is much more likely to hurt fanfiction authors and fandom artists, as it will likely involve a tighter enforcement of copyright laws and it might make sites such as ao3 impossible to run. Fanfiction is already in a grey area legally, and could easily end up on the wrong side. While laws might protect intellectual property, it will also be less effective against people who wants to use this technology for bad. There is no money in making fanfiction, so while there might be people wanting to use AI to create fanfiction for them instead of writing it themselves-- the people who might want to swamp ao3 with AI fanfiction for lolz are not going to be stopped by it being illegal.
AI at this level is still very new, and while it is a problem it's also important to not rush against it. The technology is here and can't be stopped, we've known it would come for decades (though it improved quite suddenly.) Regulating AI will have to be done with AI, and it's important that we don't just hand major companies exactly what they want-- tighter control over their already shady IP.
Just a little disclaimer that I am fully understanding of the worry people have over AI, I'm a fanfic writer and hobby artist myself, I'm just more worried that rushed attempts at restraining it will only make it worse.
Work created by an AI cannot legally be copyrighted, so that limits how it can be used commercialy.
@@Smulenify man i just want to read fanfictions. Of my favorite characters :((
@@Smulenify
I completely disagree.
We HAVE to regulate AI! Right now! While it's new!
Undemocratic big-tech companies are dictating how Ai is created and how it will be introduced to society.
And they have already demonstrated they will do it unethically.
This isn't about fighting progress or technology, it's about fighting back against the power structures that are created by Big-tech!
"it's important that we don't just hand major companies exactly what they want-- tighter control over their already shady IP. " That doesn't mean that we just hand over Big-tech our dater and our work without push back. Because I assure you, that is exactly what major companies want. Maybe not Disney. Or other media monopolies. But it's exactly what Companies that make AI want. We know this because they already did that.
First AI art, now this mess? We’re slowly getting replaced and that’s actually concerning.
I wanted to date the robot not have it replace me :( ……/j?
Nah it's fearmongering
@@moki4541I’d like to think so as well, but there are legitimate issues that the AI stuff can spawn
@@moki4541 ostrich moment
Ikr. Humans are actively replacing themselves for no reason. Humans are so stupid it's actually hilarious and extremely depressing.
Another thing that does concern me is risk of having non-fanfiction/original work published digitally/online being stolen. I know there is an ai program that writes stories (forgot what it was called) but the thought of it taking from someone else’s work is a big worry.
Oh my god that's a big fear of mine as I'm actually writing a book atm.
@@aquaticalateralis Personally, I do use generator prompts if I am dry on ideas but not AI programs.
@@Jukebox1412 I want to say I'm scared because my stories could pass from prompt (drabbles and vignettes are fun to write!) but I honestly don't care if it's used that way
As an aspiring artist and fanfic enjoyer I just don't understand why AI bros gotta get their hands on creative fields out of all the issues out there 💀
because they’re soulless npcs 🤷
@@crowfoot8059 for real!
For them, Art is just a product. Just content. Pixels to stimulate the eyeballs.
@@IvellScarlett I mean... 👀
@@normanclatcher npc spotted in the wild lmao
I’ve seen people using those tiny ai writing assistants for writers block and I think that’s how far it should go. People work for years just for some trained algorithm to copy the patterns without knowing what it means.
Don’t let it discourage you, if you write or draw! Human created things will always be better 💕
The AI that I use for writers block gives you short paragraphs, but never (in my experience) look like a human wrote it; you need a lot of specific details for the story to even resemble what you want it to. I like it because it goes off of ratings YOU give it to learn, not full-on web scraping. Like if you wanted a romantic scene but the AI starts leaning towards a fight, you can rate the paragraph as 'bad' and try again.
Yes- Fuck! References- that is IT!
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@@anangelnamedcecil4958 Yeah. Same here.
I used AI Dungeon, which was supposed to be this RPG game thing (meaning it doesn't focus that much on writing, but more on the adventure).
You can set how long you want your stuff to be, but even then, you would honestly save more time actually thinking of something yourself, which is what I do for the majority of the time I'm on the app.
It either doesn't flow, is out of character, goes in some direction I wasn't thinking of, or it's just pure nonsense of sentences.
It's often useless, sometimes humorous, but it sure makes my brain gears turning.
A funny example would be when it decided to give my pirate character a donut. Whether there were sprinkles on it or not I don't remember.
@Mark Aspen Oh I remember that.
The one I use kept changing my male character into female. XD
Amusing it was, albeit was and still is frequent.
I feel like the fact that AI trying to do things like writing, "make" (steal) from visual art and "make" music really shows how much the arts is devalued in our society in general and it's just weird that they're using AI to do that instead of having AI help people do daily tasks and such
Spot on here- AI is like- SUPPOSED to take over tasks that humans don't want to do, to give us more time to do things that we WANT to do. Not take over creative tasks. That's really just not the point of it. I really hate how little art is valued in culture, it's seen as either mindless popcorn to consume and discard or pretentious bullshit. I feel like people used to care more about it. maybe I'm wrong.
@@zephyr4254 Oh yeah it was respected way back then but according to history books and research the respect dwindled after more and more marginalized groups got into it and made money, suddenly flipping from a male dominated profession to a woman-dominated profession plus the industrial evolutions didn't help matters either since 90% of things that were made back then technically fell under artisans with technology sure it got faster but it cost a lot of people jobs and we lost a lot of techniques that are actually making a comeback because of social media which is cool tbh. I'm sure there were a lot of other reasons but these two points often pop up a lot, sorry for the long reply-
@@ravenstrife3586 I'll have to look more into it myself, seems like an interesting topic to study. I love looking into exactly why things are the way they are today. No worries about the long reply. I do it all the time.
@@ravenstrife3586 But women have always been writers. The first novel was written by a woman, and that was very common at the time (apparently there are even earlier novels, also written by women, because it was seen as a womanly thing to do was tell long stories).
I think it's a sign that there's a desire to make art, writing, music - all the creative practices - a sort of "zero effort, maximum profit" venture through AI.
We live in a time where the establishment wants to exploit and commercialize everything so it can make as much money as possible, where ethics and even human lives are shunted to the side and devalued. The only thing that matters to the people who are pushing AI art/music/writing is that their content is *consumed* as much as possible; no thought to the organic human essence of storytelling and art that gives it its soul.
Call me a conspiracist, but is the apparent push to replace human creators with AI just Elon Musk and his techbro cronies preparing for a post-Earth future where they can do away with the lower classes entirely on their Mars colony?
First visual art, now writing?
Honestly, I have no idea where the creative arts are heading next. So many people who are passionate about what they can create might not even be able to to put food on the table twenty years from now, and as an artist that’s terrifying.
And even worse, there are AIs that can compose music (like full on pieces) in the style of pre-existing composers (only classical music from what I've seen but still terrifying)
@@chocolatemilk7157 the music industry is probably going to be the least effected out of any creative space due to the record labels actually having the resources to stop companies from stealing there music
@@William_Nowin That is true, but it still goes to show how much AI has taken over the creative art world.
It's crazy. Everyone thought that the arts would be the last place AI would dominate, but it is in fact one of the firsts.
I heard it was beginning to be used to create music but labels with all their power fought against it
Good to know our AI overlords will appreciate Steve’s cerulean orbs.
I want to read a fic written by AI refering the male genital.
Cruel and unusual much? 😅
I'm studying AI for my degree and wow, you explained it all so perfectly and easily! From the Natural Language Models to how they collect data and train on that data, spot on analysis. And amazing work on highlighting the ethical and legal implications of using fics in these models, since fics themselves straddle that legality line already. This is such an important video, and you knocked it out of the park!!
And since everyone in the comments are worried about people in my field or of AI taking over, I can tell you two things:
- One: the ethics, legality, and morality of using personal data (from basic things like your name/birthdate to even things you post online like art or fics) to create AI models is a huge part of our education, and anyone worth listening to in the technology field will understand that using that data/art/fics to train AI without consent is immoral.
- And two: AI is scary, but it cannot replace you and your brain. An AI can only regurgitate things it has learned, but your brain has the ability to create new things! Your silly headcanons and doodles are infinitely more important than an AI rewriting Shakespeare.
So what happens when Strong AI is brought into the fold?
Pandora's box part 2 electric boogaloo?
I'm still VERY scared/anxious about the future of A.I. in creative fields, but reading this from someone on the other side who has insider knowledge on A.I. was surprisingly comforting. Hopefully this mess can be figured out sooner rather than later. My biggest fear with this is that more and more artists will no longer be able to make a living selling their work due to A.I. creating similar works faster and cheaper. Here's hoping that doesn't actually happen tho!!!
@@negligible_reality Nah, don't be scary. People underestimate their ability too much. I'm pretty sure AI can't write a good dead dove tag fanfic, lmao
@@negligible_reality Hopefully it does get figured out sooner than later because really, AI trained on stuff whose creators/artists haven't consented to being part of the training sets is a legal minefield of copyright and the splash zone at the human ethics theme park. Even then, I get that it's scary that artists' livelihoods could be taken away by immoral means. All I can say is that artists/writers/people make art while AI makes content, and AI can't hold a candle to the majesty of human creation. They have all the art on the internet, and yet they still can't get fingers right!
"anyone worth listening to in the technology field will understand that using that data/art/fics to train AI without consent is immoral."
Unfortunately, they're not the people who actually get to make the AIs. The AIs currently in use are completely unethical and absolutely do use other people's art without consent. The techbros got ahead of the conversation.
I think the worst part is as artists of any form, it’s meant to be shared. But with writing and digital art especially, it’s to be shared ONLINE.
I’m a writer and an artist, and it’s honestly killing me inside to know that what I love to do, make and share my work, is going to end up in someone greedy hand with zero credit.
ITS SCARY that this entire community is being threatened! This is some peoples’ job and source of income, like how car dealers sells cars or real estate agent sells homes; except our job comes with added love with our work. To know that might be ripped and shredded is just plain sad.
Over half my fanfics include smut, so I guess I'm doing my part to make sure they break their own terms of service.
A.I. shenanigans are good for a laugh, but their limitations make me less concerned about replacement. I do hope someone sensible can figure out how to legally limit those practices without accidentally messing up the internet though.
The internet will live, regardless.
It writes smut now as long as it’s consensual
I appreciate that the queen of fandoms made a video on this. Everyone's scared (understandably so, of course, but panic can cause a decrease in rational thinking and even a whole lot of misinformation), so it's nice to see such a prominent figure lay out the facts, give suggestions on what we can do, and just generally calmly talk about the problem.
Yeah, there's a huge panic problem lately, i just wish everyone would calm down, educate themselves on the real problems, etc. I believe AI enthusiasts and artists can coexist, if we both stop being reactionary
As someone who writes fanfics and draws fanart… I hate this. Thankfully, I don’t think AI writing will replace fanfic writing like it may art (mostly due to money, seeing as I’ve seen less Fanfic comms in my life than I do art comms on a basic browse of anywhere an artist posts their works). However, it’s still disheartening to see a craft be sucked of it’s soul. Art and writing are what make us human, who the hell thought it was a good idea to remove the human aspect while stealing from the actual people who have contributed- unwillingly- to its creation!? AI art and writing are both horrible things, and I think it’s better that we shut them down. They will never have the precision and delicacy of humans, no matter how many times we train them, and no matter what with.
For those who want prompts, there are PLENTY of prompt sites and accounts all over the Internet who will give you ideas, whether it’s for art or writing. PLEASE do not use an AI, it only harms artists and writers while lining the pockets of the techies that made the AI.
It's not a black and white situation i'm in the grey area on my stance of AI I feel like you're going a little too strong in this comment
@@psgamer-il2pt nah, op is pretty on point with this one tbh.
@@negligible_reality in your opinion
Unfortunately, it's never going to go away 😭 Soulless greed will always exist
@@psgamer-il2pt try to create something of your own for once and get it stolen, than we'r talk, if you'r not from creative field in the first place your "opinion" don't count.
Man looking at the comments, I can’t agree more with the concerns. The whole AI situation just really frustrates me how these things completely miss the point of art and writing and how the process and the community around it is what makes it so important to many people.
It may just be my personal biases and idealism but as an artist, pressing a button to instantly create art is fun but in the long run isn’t fulfilling. It doesn’t have the same feeling like when you finish something and then show it to your art friends, heck, sometimes the smaller (and shittier) silly doodles mean just as much as the finished stuff I make.
I think the same goes for writing, especially fanfiction, like I personally don’t see the point of writing one if it isn’t for the fun of the process, coming up with ideas, discussing tropes or plot ideas with friends, and getting inspired to do something fun and then seeing it through when you put it down into paper.
Sure AI can be useful for certain work efficiencies but if we rely on this in the future we’d probably lose the experiences within the process that AI removes
true.
Exactly well said
This speaks to me personally because you're right. There is nothing more satisfying than finishing a fic and having people read it and what not. This AI stuff is getting to be so ridiculous.
I just saw a fic that said it was created by AI and I was 'WTH⁉️🤨'
I didn't end up reading it, but I thought it was weird. Thanks for making this video!
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I'm going to try to find the fic. If I do find it again, I'll edit this comment again and talk about/how it was
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It was Bowuigi, I looked through it on ao3 after Coley's other video, but the author did put in the description that they made it with ai, "I used an AI to generate this so shout out to NovelAI". I skimmed through it and it was kinda weird, like low-ish wattpad level fic. 🤷♀️
I saw that too! It was my first time coming across an AI fic on ao3 and my gut reaction was like oh no 😨
At some point it's gonna be like "bad" CGI. We only think CGI sucks because we only notice bad CGI. If someone doesn't put that AI label on a AI-generated work, no one will be able to tell the difference.
Had a discussion about AI recently and when I talked about how upsetting the whole thing with training it on other people's work without their permission is I just got a 'humans do the same when they look at other people's art' and 'they shouldn't have posted anything online if they didn't want it stolen'. Oh, and when I said that no artist would be happy when their hard work is taken advantage of, I was hit with a wonderful 'well, don't speak for other people, how would you know'. And this was from people who are close to me and know how much I enjoy drawing and writing.
The humans and machines are nothing alike. Even if we ignore the fact that our minds are messy and we perceive everything through the lense of our own experiences, which makes every person's perspection of art unique, unlike a machine, you can boil it down to a really simple thing. I, as an artist and writer, would be honored to have a person analyzing my work and using it for inspiration or to improve their skills. I would not feel that way if years of learning and training were fed into a machine that cannot truly appreciate art and breathe a new meaning into it. I would not be happy with my hard work being used for personal gain by someone who does not really care about what they are creating. Because is it truly art if there is no real intention behind it other then to just spit something out and move on?
Hmm, I seem to feel kinda differently about this to most people. I'm wondering if it was watching CBBC's Eve when I was little - whether that changed my perspective on this whole AI thing.
I definitely agree with you as an artist myself, but at the same time I guess you'll have to accept that it's inevitable. even if you place as much measures as possible to NOT have your work stolen and fed to a machine, how can you guarantee that some asshat won't directly take your work and make a model out of it?
The only way you can truly guarantee it is if you do not post your work online at all (and if you want to be extra cautious, don't even share it with friends), unfortunately. Not that I agree with data scraping, but that is the situation we are in. Of course, your feelings are still valid but it's best to acknowledge the risky situation you are in. Don't let it discourage you, and keep drawing and writing.
I write fanfiction as a coping mechanism to release my anger and pain towards my favourite characters instead of myself.
So having AI generate written Fandom work seems fruitless. But it clearly doesn’t replace the creative minds of fanfic and fanart writers and artists, myself included.
I don’t normally comment on videos, But as a naturally panicky person and someone who read a lot of fanfic and appreciates the love and energy people put into their work, (and I will say I didn’t know this was happening until now) I’m glad this is the first thing I saw to learn about this, I really appreciate you taking the time to actually explain it.
Corporate greed infiltrated even something that was born out of love, ofc it's nothing new but it's still sad.
To all artists and authors please keep going, you're the fundament of all fandoms❤
I'm so glad you addressed this, and I'm not the only person who hates the idea of replacing a writer's hard work that can be long as anywhere between days and YEARS- with something doing it in seconds-
Thank you so much-
i hope ai isnt going to take over every single thing :/
We make A.I. so much of a meme where the common public continues to use it for their art, it will.
If you've seen i,Robot or any AI movie you know it will
i rlly hope they will try to keep it out of creative spaces but at this point it looks like theyre gna be the future☹️
It suck because artist and writers are already struggling to live in this world and they don’t deserve being replaced by AI.
hi Mintz we have crossed paths again and yeah I agree seriously it’s everywhere
I'm barely a third of the way into the video, but Coley saying that fanfic writers apparently put their own snippets of writing into the machine and it would get excerpts from **their actual fanfic** made my fucking skin boil.
Skin?
@@AnAdalazeblood was not enough
@@twotruckslyrics dudes mad over fan fiction
@@AnAdalaze reread the comment
@@twotruckslyrics dudes mad over people putting their fanfiction in machines and getting excerpts
It's only been a little less than two years since I got into writing on ao3, but fanfiction has really become a huge hobby of mine. It's a shame that creators, who are already ridiculed and underappreciated, have to now deal with the rising issue of AI infiltrating fan spaces. Hopefully laws can be implemented in the future for these sorts of situations.
i read an amazing 3-4k word fanfic about 2 hours ago, and it had 3 kudos on it. 3. i’m kind of scared ai will make real-person-written fanfics harder to find, less accessible, and underappreciated even more so than it already is. thank you for making a video on this topic coley :)
I had this same conversation with a few other fic writers/artists a couple of weeks ago :3 We all came to the conclusion that the interaction between fans was what made fandom so special and made creation so satisfying. We talked about those moments where you get a comment saying "I loved that part when X said X" and you get to send them a paragraph on how you came up with the idea. That's what makes fanfic writing so enjoyable, so addicting. AIs can't replace that. Thank you for the video
ikr. not to mention AI can't create something totally new.
LET'S GO FINALLY SOMEONE IS TALKING ABOUT IT, IT'S BEEN A MONTH
Also: thank you, Coley, for impressing that we keep calm, that you'll be calm, and to reassure us that we can't be replaced. I archive-locked my (whole two incomplete) fics since I'm new(er) to posting on AO3, and this is making me consider unlocking them to guests. Both have hit walls with their hits, and while I don't write for the hits or kudos, they are nice to see when I can check and say "two more people saw fic 1! Another saw fic 2!" I'm really glad you made this video. Thank you.
"Finally someone is talking about it"? People have been talking about it for a while now.
@@BJGvideos no one I've seen is talking about it (edit: specifically AO3 scraping), sorry. I've just seen the occasional post on Tumblr reposting the reddit with not as much commentary as Coley
@@Mel_the_Pirate what fandom(s) do you write for?
I had no idea this was such a major issue and I've been authoring on AO3 for months and reading for even longer. I knew art was an issue, but I didn't know they were getting this close and harmful. Thank you for sharing!
It’s actually not an issue at all, just writers being afraid of the unknown, just like artists.
Or maybe they're worried about having their work stolen without their consent. You know. Like AI art does.
It’s terrifying that I literally wrote a research paper about this last year and now it’s playing out before my eyes 😞 Nothing can replace the value of human creation; keep making stuff my friends ❤️
Can you explain more ?
@@DLCS-2 I wrote a research paper about the issue with AI taking our information and creations and using them to make money, among other things. While some things in my paper were already happening when I wrote it, stuff like this was being predicted and now I’m watching it happen :(
@@pinkcowjl yeah its saddening ):
You know, I’ve written a fanfic using ai for my own personal entertainment then decided to share it, simply because I thought what the ai came out with was funny and strange. I had no idea how harmful it could be or even how scary it is! Thank you for sharing this knowledge with me so that I can be more mindful of things! 💕 I hope everyone is doing ok and aren’t freaking out too much! The community is here for everyone!
Overfitting on trained subsamples is what i'm really scared about. At some point, an AI will completely plagiarize something, and we have no clue which is which.
Another thing that is scary is that there is already pushback on people who apparently "write or draw" like ai. Someone got banned on r/art because his artstyle looks like something that was ai generated, and was told to switch his artstyle, even though he could provide proof that he drew it himself.
The whole situation is awful, really.
Overfitting is a rapidly lessening issue though. Text generators of the not-so-distant past would very frequently regurgitate exactly what they were trained on, yet now it only really happens when asking for a generic description of something in real life, like an animal or some scientific formula.
The same is going to happen to AI art, and the main reason it's such a prevalent issue right now is due to them only having just recently gotten coherent enough for overfitting to even occur in a way that's visually identifiable. And even then, examples are far and few between. The broad negative implications continue, but the plagiarism argument is short-sighted.
@@Brazman the plagiarism argument is basically always short-sighted, and always has been.
Welcome to the Internet. We copy things here.
As an artist AND a fanfic writer (and an original work writer) I wanna cry. This is NOT ok! I feel kinda helpless cause I also dont wanna lock my work that I spent laughs and tears on cause yeah, a lot of guest users read it too. Thankfully I barely have any art posted rn but I had planned to later in life. Either way it kinda feels like their taking my heart and using it to power a monster and I have to helplessly watch it destroy all I love. These fics and writing them were my escape, my home, a place I felt safe and able to express whatever I wanted. F*ck AI. I hope those who have the ability to help fix this issue actually do.
I legitimately almost wrote my extended essay for the IB diploma on fanfiction and Fandom, but quit the program so I never got around to it. This definitely feels like the type of stuff I'd write about
As an IBDP student that's so cool. I was also considering writing my extended essay on some media or fandom but our school has told us to do it based on the subjects we want to take when we go to uni.
@@chocolattefeverdreams4228 Yeah so I was planning to write that essay for the ITGS (information technology in a global society). It's all about like the ethical issues brought about by modern technology, so internet Fandom honestly slides in quite well
AI will never be able to replace the fanart people make for other's fanfictions and that's something that reassures me greatly
Hey, I studied and work with computers and AI (though not the sort of AI that's used to create images or write, more to do with sorting and clustering) and I just want to say, in terms of writing at the very least, i doubt AI will be able to make anything passable anytime soon, if ever.
AI has a problem with memory - it may be able to string together sentences that make sense, or reference things that happened several paragraphs ago, but it has no concept of what a plot, characters, themes, etc are. Anything it writes longer than maybe a page (often shorter, depending on what AI and settings you're using) will generally be incomprehensible from a story standpoint. it may reference characters and plotpoints (or anything previously written) further down the line, but it's not doing that for the sake of the story, it's feeding what its already written back into itself in an attempt to stay on topic.
Also, AI is often reluctant to let anything actually happen in a story. if your plot's goal is to go rob a bank or something, the AI will often either make no progress towards getting to said bank, or you'll instantly rob the bank and then there's nothing to do. AI is bad at telling an actual story without help.
AI writing is kind of like talking to a parrot. Can the parrot speak? yes. Can it respond to things you say? yes. Does it actualy understand what its saying and string together a full conversation? generally no.
You could probably write a book with an AI, but you'd have write and remind it constantly of the plot, create set characters that you'd have to correct it on, edit the output heavily, and rerun the AI countless times to get something passable, stitching together the outputs into something comprehensive. With all that work, it would probably be easier to just write it yourself.
Yeah there's no way for them to know what makes a story "good". When you generate an ai story or are talking to a chatbot and it brings up something it said previously, it feels equivalent to a bad jump scare in a horror movie. Like, "ooh look at this! The ai remembers the thingy! that means its smart.". They have no sense of conflict or theme and are incapable of making meaningful social commentary.
On top of that, since a huge portion of the internet is english, ai is kind of awful at most other languages. There's so much slang and cultural nuance you find when hearing someone speak a language, that when it just translates stuff directly from english it doesn't feel right.
I think the threat of AI towards fanfiction is a valid concern. While AI can certainly assist in the creation of content, it's important to remember that it can never fully replace the creativity and passion of a human writer. Fanfiction is all about expressing oneself and exploring one's own interests and ideas, and that's something that AI simply cannot do. It's important for us to embrace and support the human elements of fanfiction and not let ourselves be replaced by machines.
Edit: The fact that this comment got 58 likes and 3 comments without anyone picking up on the fact that an AI wrote it is troubling.
Weak Ai? Yes, can't replace that.
Strong AI? [Which does not exist yet], Nope. Those can theoretically simulate and completely 1 for 1 recreate the human experience- essentially taking a single day to experience a theoretical human lifespan, thus making them the best authors with the most experience.
@@Alb410 well surely there's no need to panic or fearmonger if it doesn't exist yet, yeah?
@@Alb410 Would AI be like the ones in Megaman?
A fucking AI wrote this comment?!?
@@theofficalsilentraven Well not the edit at the end, that was me
I knew about the AI artist issue but,I didn't know it was going after fanfiction and writing too. This video put me both on edge and made me feel a bit better now that I know exactly what is going on.
They're going for music and, apparently, doctors next
@@JustAStranger2840 Bruh soon enough they're gonna leave us with no actual jobs- then how is anyone going to make money...
@@JustAStranger2840 coming for the _doctors_ might actually be an improvement... let's hope we don't also train the machines on their handwriting...
@@aquaticalateralis Oh, lol, you don't need to worry about that. We'll own nothing and be happy.
Like we _kind of_ already do, when you think about it.
@@normanclatcher not if they program it right now tbh, there's talks of unchecked biases and constant double-takes going on in the medical field. How can we hope to create something without bias when we ourselves are unaware of ours? Pressing X to doubt here. And that's ignoring the massive ethical and psychological impact of medical care devoid of an actual human. Who knows what that will do to our wellbeing? I don't wanna fuck around and find out.
i occasionally write fanfics but i’m also an amateur data scientist, so i dabble in AI and machine learning too, but all that is for my own private and non-profit fun of finding patterns in my hobbies and fandoms, so it really pisses me off that these corpos are monetising on fan work and ruining things for not just creatives but as well as AI hobbyists like me
Yeah, people need to remember that the technology itself isn't evil, it's just being used unethically.
Ai can never replicate a good fic where the author says English isn’t their first language, turn a smut one shot into a plot filled story, a y/n story into something so enriching or funny. Nor can turn a crack ship into something so beautiful that it convinced me to ship it.
I'm an artist who's been against ai art since its first breath. Now seeing that this is effecting more art forms such as writing is just infuriating.
Unfortunately, the progression of technology will not be stopped. It’s crazy to think, but when it comes to technology many who are against such AI could be labeled as conservatives when it comes to technology. However, like in real world, liberalism and progression always overtakes conservatism in the long run. Even if it may take decades or centuries.
@@clutchjs122 the problem isn’t ai and what it’s does it’s literally the fact it’s STEALING in the music AIs they use copyright free music and voices but in art they use all of art that’s ever posted, but how would it differentiate between art and photos? My assumption it doesn’t so it uses PRIVATE photos as well most likely. My problem with ai is that is evolving faster than ethics and with ai’s users being unsympathetic, cruel and degrading to artists who are already treated awfully by people.
I am all for AI being used ETHICALLY you are missing the point or the feelings of most artists in that we are all for new tools and technology to make life or professional work easier. We don’t want it to use people’s work or images that they don’t consent to being used and in art mediums are differentiated so why must ai be in the same category or treatment as digital?
TLDR this isn’t a conservative viewpoint, I am all for innovation but I am against a lack of ethics within AI and ai art currently and people like who who think inevitably should mean a lack of ethics.
I believe there is already a case in which a comic used Midjourney's AI for its images. While the author did indeed come up with the story by themselves, the comic as a whole is in the process of losing all copyright as "copyrightable works require human authorship". So, in the case of fanfic and published works dealing in AI, it may be ruled that no copyright can be held on the entirety of a given work if unaltered AI generated content is found to be contained within it.
It's not a full solution, but a small win is still a win.
As someone who writes fanfic, I personally don’t mind if my works are used in training AIs.
I just don’t want someone up and stealing them, posting it elsewhere without my knowledge. Slippery slope I know.
What I don’t agree with is taking works from those who don’t want them to be used in any AI stuff. People pour their very heart and souls into their fics, and it’s sad to have it taken.
Yes, let AI learn from willing creatives if we have to. But stealing fanwork for a profit without consent? Nah doesn't sit right.
Not to mention vent fics, taking very personal stuff without someone's consent
@@xAlectoyou consent when you upload your work online for the public to see. It's in the fine print none of you bothered to read apparently. I get being pissed but let's not spread lies
@@sola_a I seriously doubt that granting permission for your data to be combed by AIs is in the fine print. AO3 is years old: for those of us who have been here since it started, something like this would have sounded kind of sci-fi at the time. Cleverbot was the best AI generated writing you got, and it was very obvious you were talking to a machine.
Edit; also, especially the for profit part. AO3 is not for profit- that’s why it can survive. That’s why you can’t advertise fic commissions or even tip-jars on it.
@Sola incorrect. This is new technology.
The weird thing is that I never imagined AI reaching fanfiction sites to this extent and using the works that many authors put a lot of time and love into. Fics are my personal safe space, and the idea that its going to be intruded on by and AI is horrifying. I wish all the authors and readers out there the best of luck in these upcoming years.
As a fanfic writer I know from experience how hard sometimes it can be to write a good detailed fic, it can take a lot of time, so it's very upsetting to have some damn ai create fanfics under a minute or so AND make profit out of it
At least getting the details right fucks with your digital footprint, given recent things I’ve looked up I’m moving to the US and marrying a citizen and then taking skiing lessons in Austria.
Is anybody else thinking that this could be the start of some bizarre dystopian novel?
And go! Three writers have already started in it. Not me. Nope. Okay, yes, I have a dozen ideas…
Definitely, would the crack tag be on there?
@@deluviophile Absolutely
In a world where corporate greed and average demand of quantity and speed over quality and care reign supreme, one lone artist dared to dream...
@@_.-._.-Y0K0-._.-._ honestly sounds like a typical sci fi plot
Been putting off finishing my smut fic, but I'm gonna do it now to fight back against bad bots 💪💪
Seriously though, be careful with ai guys. This isn't just a problem with writing AI but many photo ai apps will also deliberately steal any images you put into them for use without your say in it. This means your photos, your face, your art, and otherwise. It's a scary place right now for creative spaces across the internet, so if you've been as apathetic as I have before, make the step to keep yourself safe now
WHAT FANDOM IS THE SMUT FIC FOR... asking for a friend.... 🙂
Hell yeah! Finish that fic my friend.
Finish that fic!!! Do it for all of us ❤
@@whozlemonbugz Spooky month 🙂(No, it's not about Bob)
I was nosey and decided to ask ChatGPT to write me fanfiction in the style of my AO3 account. Horrifyingly, the AI not only did a spot-on impression of my writing style it also chose a ship that I read about frequently, but have never written for.
tbh the creativity and the sparks people have in fandom are some of my favorite things about fan creations. hella respect to all my fanfic writers and fan artists.
Honestly with all this ai art stuff going on it's really made me reconsider taking drawing and writing as a profession becuase I don't wana break my back trying to compete with an ai just to earn a small amount of money, but I'll keep doing both as an hobby.
^^^
The title alone has me on edge. I swear the internet always finds new ways to not let artists rest 🙄✋
I know right first we put a stigma on them then we shame them for actually trying to live a life and sell their work for what it is worth then people stole it to sell as nfts and now we are having their art be stolen so that people can "create" ai art
This reminds me of how Walmart fired their cashiers and replaced them with auto check out.
Internet is anti-art and anti-fun
@@unknown_raven975 Honestly, I think you might be onto something. Everyone wants the gratification of having content made for them. But the second they have to give a helping hand to the creators, they suddenly go 🦯 🥸
Us artists are getting replaced by AIs and it's awfully sad. I've been practising to draw for more than 6 years, I dedicated myself to learn english way before i decided to draw and then there's some AI.
actually, you know what, watch me write some multifandom fic where our world is collapsing toward an ai-run dystopian internet, so people start doing shit with paper again. the fandom characters see shit crashing down around them as actions get clunky due to ai writing them, terrible shit is happening, and... idk. shit, that's a whole possible genre of fic right there.
playing off this (because honestly one thing AI will never get is the sharing of ideas between two different people with different experiences and points of view), it would be interesting to write a weird crossover between reality and fiction. part of it could be written by AI, or you coul write it yourself if that’s not your style, and it could be clunky and some characters could be ooc while others are super confused. meanwhile in reality fanfic has been mostly taken over by AI and writers have taken back writing on paper and sending everything via physical mail. so it could, like, devolve into this weird double dystopian world where artists in real life have gone back to paper and other physical means, while in the fictional world there’s double characters in any given world-those written by the writers and the zombie-like written by AIs.
Truth is AI couldn't have done it without the artist's work it was fed
cause fanfiction is also art and it's beautiful
AI filters are fun as a FILTER on Snapchat or something. If you can’t draw and can’t write, then choose a different line or work or improve yourself, I’d say.
I’m so happy that a big creator is addressing this. people need to know that ai art of any form, writing included, can be so harmful to creative communities and become a really big problem.
Well, out of sheer curiosity I went and tried Sudo Write. I started with a vague paragraph of Xie Lian (not mentioning names) wondering if Hua Cheng is the child he saved all those years back and the AI generator was thoroughly confused. I kept building the content in steps, slowly introducing more names and context and it still did not seem to recognize the TGCF fandom. Finally, I ended up writing close to 540 words and the AI generator still remained clueless and started providing me with author's notes suggestions XD
A UA-camr I like recently made a video where he used an AI to write a script in the style of his channel. The video was eerily accurate to his content. We can't be sure, but the fan community generally surmised that this was likely due to all of the UA-cam RPF the fandom had generated over the years informing the AI's understanding of who this creator was and how he tends to write his video scripts. Absolutely wild times we're living in.
It's also possible that the scraper can read the captions for UA-cam videos. Those are just text after all. And now the tools are proving to be surprisingly knowledgeable about UA-cam tropes, all the way down to the boring cliche clickbait titles.
I understand using AI to check spelling or sentence structure for people who don’t speak English as their first language (and who don’t have any fluent English speaking friends or test readers) but I’m horrified how the creativity of humanity is being crushed little by little, week by week. I love writing and I’ve been doing art so long I don’t remember what age I was when I started. I wanted to work in the creative industry- but now I suppose I have my mom to thank for saying I can’t put food on the table with art and am learning to be a vet instead.
You’re mom was wise I believe, such advise might save your future. Although, if there is any time to be great, it is now. In the final shouts in the battle of Thermopylae, King Leonidas went down in history as he went down with his men. Many centuries after Macedonia saw the end of a great Sparta, we still talk of Leonidas and his legendary stand, even though the weapons and tactics of now will squash them like a ant under a boot.
Man artists and writers can''t have a break at all. As an upcoming artist and writer, hearing about how ai is being used for stuff like this scares me and makes me genuinlely concered yet discouraged. Artists and writers put so much time and effort into what they love and share it to anyone else online who enjoys the same things. I hope this doesn't escalate to the point where ai is used for everything. However, I will keep my hopes up that it won't and the storm will pass by sooner rather than later.
As someone who has been writing fanfic for the past 6 years, I'm genuinely puzzled by this development. If these years have thought me anything, is that if I want to see a story written how I want it, I have to do it myself. It's literally impossible to have someone or something else write everything I want to see in my story exactly as I want it.
The monetization issue is just not sitting right with me either. The fact that I spend 1.5 years completing a fic (and it's Genshin too, which Hoyoverse declared is not copyrighted) and then an AI baby can just eat it all up and use it for something that DOES earn money is an extra slap in the face. I knew from the beginning that I will not get money for spending much of my free time making entertainment bc of copyright and I was fine with it, I still am, because my own and my readers enjoyment matters most, but that doesn't mean it doesn't sting if somebody else can make money off of my work through AI.
I'd lock my fics but they've already been out there for years, so there's not much sense in it. I hope that the fandom community's voice and the wonderful people who are behind Ao3 will quickly shut this down.
The core of fandom is the people and no robot can take over. Fanfic are so undeniably human, like hey I like these characters and I want to imagine what would happen if they had a different life so I wrote it down for any of you who might also share my interests. The locking method is really good for now I think and I hope all the writers dont loose hope!!! We're here to read your fics that you put your heart into!! Not some fix by a bot
I want to cry. I typed a few things into this from an obscure fandom, hoping it'd be safe and I recognized a few lines from my friends fanfic. What can we do against this.
I know this comment is a bit old but don’t. This video just seems to be creating alarm where it doesn’t seem needed. Your not getting automated out of your hobby it’s not a job. You will be fine.
@@AnAdalaze problem is for when writing is your job and you would rather kill yourself than do anything else for a living 😭
@@Solarstormflare that’s sucks but geez there’s no need to kill yourself. Besides everyone here is talking about their fan fictions being stolen acting as if chatgpt being created is now going to outlaw writing as a hobby. Writing as a job hasn’t been very profitable for a while and it’s probably going to be less profitable now and that sucks if you truly love to do it but please don’t kill yourself be more flexible then that, your still allowed to write pal.
you know, as an asexual i can't think of anything greater than shutting down writing AIs by spamming fandom creation sites with a shit ton of quality smut
and then it starts generating smut lol
It can already write smut
I'm in the art community and AI art is a really stinky situation right now. I'd rather not go into the details about it, but the thing is really bad... REALLY BAD.
Short: People will need to take AI seriously and not let anyone get away with using it however they want. There are organizations, (I'm in one that is made by artist) and we need to stand up against it while we can. Because if we don't... possibly within a few decades (or less), after all forms of art become automatized, the entire internet is going to be +99% AI generated, practically turning the internet into television. Nobody can participate in it, you can only turn it on and watch what happens to be running. You may say that people will always write better than AI, but it won't matter once a fandom will have a billion fics, out of which a thousand will be human written. It can't replace humans, but it can bury us so deep we won't see each other anymore.
Pro-AI people who exactly want this are going to say that I'm fearmongering. No... I'm warning you. We must spread awareness!
One day in the far future, I believe many will see such endeavors to preserve ‘creativity’ as a fools errand. Like the crusades, people post singularity will not think like you or me, instead you would be the last bastion of resistance against the inevitable. I must say anyways, I believe your cause is noble, but fruitless. Like a man standing in front of a truck to stop it, the truck will continue without much issue.
@@clutchjs122 I want to quote Stan Prokopenko: "Just because robots will one day learn how to speak, we shouldn't stop doing it."
Also, people during the crusades were talking about the times when they recapture the Holy Land and all go to Heaven after the Judgment Day. It seems like a good analogy to the way people talk about singularity nowadays.
You may say that you know for a fact that it's not a fairy tale and it will happen. People in the 11th century were just as convinced.
@@SylvesterLazarus Even if the singularity was a myth, AI still develops as well as quantum computers. As computers transition into the quantum and biological realm, the truck, albeit a bit slower, will run over the man. Unless the end is upon us, AI will advance beyond us.
@@clutchjs122 Every person in human history who experienced any sort of existential threat believed that they were living in the end times. People believed the world wars to be the end, they believed the bubonic plague was the end, they believed that the fall of Rome was the end. Did they change the world forever? Yes, they did.
People never learned to fly either, the planes advanced beyond them. They never learned how to communicate telepathically, but we're talking with each other from the opposite sides of the world. Of course we changed, but humanity is not placeable on a linear progression line with machines.
Will we eventually change forever? Yes, of course, but will we just abandon everything like creativity or find new kinds of appreciation of it and new ways of self-expression? Will we leave all we have to the AI that will find new meanings for all of that? Unsure, but it doesn't matter.
What we need to always do is being critical about things and turn them for the better. For example: teaching each other about issues like the internet being in danger of turning into something objectively worse with certain forms of automatization that may alienate us once again and bring back the era before the internet, then after we left the world for the next generation in the best form we managed to make it, then they can think about what's next, whether they will be using quantum computers for genetic engineering or something else entirely.
@@SylvesterLazarus Sometimes though, such fall do mark the end of cultures. The fall of the Qing dynasty in the early 20th century marked the end of Confucian civilization. The fall of the Ottomans completed Europe’s dominance over the world which still can be considered true in terms of development. Also, disease did mark the end for some, The natives in the Americas, after smallpox swept through them, entire cultures and kingdoms disappeared. Centuries later, people with much native blood are discriminated against. The rise of AI, I believe will not be the end of creativity, but it may be the end of humanity’s dominance over creativity.
I agree with Coley here. At this stage, we're still dealing with Artificial Narrow Intelligence (ANI). ANI will not be replacing you, your writing, your creativity, or your brain any time soon. A lot of this is -- well, I don't want to say exaggerated -- but brought to prominence because of our fear of the unknown, but we will evolve and learn to grow alongside such technology. That said, in no way do I think it's okay that this stuff is being scraped without our consent. (But at the same time, I have to ask: if they asked consent and we said no, where would their training sets come from?)
And with that, I'll be heading back to my machine learning and AI course lol.
I'm not a writer and I don't think AI is likely to replace fanfic anytime soon so mostly I just find it hilarious that people outside fandoms may accidentally get fandom responses if they use common names like Steve or Tony or Will or if they want something about Sherlock Holmes or doctors.
I do also think it's absolutely bs that these companies are making money off of work that is not allowed to make money, though. Maybe we should point some overzealous writers at them
Edit: and by writers, I mean authors of the source material
I’m terrified that AI will take over out entertainment, cause then it’ll just force us to do work since AI can already do the things we do for entertainment but “better”
It's funny seeing techbros defending AI-generated content and their right to mine creators out there, but try telling them their engineering, programming, accounting could also become automatized by training an AI, and they suddenly act sooo offended at the mere thought.
I’m not sure where you got that notion. Automating programming with GPT was one of the first things that they looked at (copilot), trained on open source github data. There have been some controversy over using even open source github because some say its stealing code that others wrote on github.
The effectiveness of AI in coding is that it will help the small errors (kind of like fixing grammar and spelling) and is really good at small scale, but it cannot build entire systems yet (writing an entire story). Even then, the AI will still make mistakes on the small scale, and expertise is needed to parse through what is wrong (for coding).
@@howdocowsfly I don't think you understood my comment at all, I know AI will take a while to replace any human task or ability, the point of my comment was that techbros defending AI generated images by mining the art created by real artists without their permission will often act hypocritical if you try to suggest that their jobs will also be taken over AI.
@@rosebride5620 What I was saying is that the first thing tech did was try to automate programming.
@@howdocowsfly I got that part, but again, that wasn't the point of my comment, if it's possible or not is unconsequencial to my comment, because I was pointing out the hypocrisy pf techbros, not arguing whether or not such thing was possible.
Yesssss a fandom queen is taking about this!!!
this is… horrifying. Thank you. I’ll educate myself more about this.
While I agree fandom is going nowhere, the authentic voices of the authors whose works have been scraped… I maybe have 10k total words to my ao3, but like. That’s enough to develop a voice for how I write. That’s enough to develop a voice for others’ writing.
Hit 'em with word salad then.
Tumblr had the right idea all along.
Personally, I won't archive lock my fics either. Mainly since the fandom is niche enough and it's a blessing to get a crumb of fanfic from that community and I'm thankful to be one of the people to share my works with the community. Though the situation really sucks.
It needs to be regulated, quickly. Luckily if there are any legal troubles, it'll probably be with the AI companies, not with us as fanfic girlies
No
This is definitely an important conversation that needs to be had. I don't mind the fact that AI is scraping and using fanfics in its dataset, but I do have an issue with the fact that it's being taken and monetized. Cuz AI is fun, AI research is interesting, AI has a lot of applications, etc. etc., but using free narratives to create something you have to pay for? No. I'm not about that.
Also for those of y'all worried about AI taking over or whatever, it's not gonna happen at any point in the near future (like, it can be fairly obvious when something's written by AI) and, even if it does take over, it won't replace the care, love, etc. a person puts into their work.
I spent the majority of this video experiencing a growing pit of despair in my stomach, but then the speculation at the end about maybe how we can combat it, and especially the “without the slightest whiff of debauchery” line, completely lifted my spirits!
I’m honestly scared that this would go so bad to the point that artists and writers would actually need to go on strike for people to actually grasp the situation. It sounds so extreme, but I fear we might have to do that to get our problems on the map. Even then there’s this very awful chance that that would just make AI more powerful because the content are scarce, and I just know there are desperate people out there who would end up turning to AI to satisfy themselves. At that point we’ll just end up needing a deepweb website with everchanging passwords, and even then we need to gatekeep the hell out of it. This is such a shitty situation overall 😭😭😭
Coley, I have been a fan of yours for a while, but, man, I have to say.
I have never been more proud to be one of your loyal followers and subscribers than I am today after watching this video, as you addressed several key points and also put your own magic into it, so to speak. It was a thoroughly enjoyable and enlightening watch (as always), and I am very happy to be here with you :D
Thank god someone's one this. As a fellow writer this is a touchy subject and it makes me feel like all the hard work that I've done over the years as a fandom/fanfic/smut writer like I don't measure to what this can do
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR TALKING ABOUT THIS this topic means so much to me and it means so much to have listened to someone talk about it like you did
As a fanfic author, I'm super gad you make videos like this, as I don't use much social media outside of ao3 and yt, I don't see news like this until videos like this are made. I love your solution to the problem just being make more smut XDD.
*You don't have to read the rest :)
Personally, I'm going to make my long fics unavaliable to non-registered people but I'll keep the short fics and smut fics accessible. I think this is a good middleground of not letting webscraping AI find my work but also allowing guests to see my stuff and enjoy fanfics. This is because my longfics are ongoing, and it'll keep my future writing out of the collections, while my already taken work can't be helped.
The fic writers discord I’m in had this conversation when the news dropped and the only reason everyone didn’t archive-lock our fics was because our ao3 rec bot (named FRIDAY, so you know what our base fandom is) can’t give a summary, just an error message that it’s locked. (It makes getting feedback for bingo a lot harder)
It’s a super important thing to talk about, heavy topic or not. Really appreciate you bringing it to your audience, despite a lot of us in the fandom space already being aware to some degree (imo, it’s more important then just so nobody goes off on some half-cocked crusade and gets home run batted off our beloved sites)
"Like autocorrect on steroids" Best explanation I've heard all year
I got to admit, as a aspiring artist and a fanfic writer as a past time this is kinda disheartening to hear that ai is doing this, but until the world is filled with fake art and fanfics I will write and draw my little heart out! Lots of love from me❤❤❤️
I’m making “art” (illustrative designer) as my career and I love writing fanfiction. I feel like I’m going to be lost in the next five years because my job is going to be nonexistent and that’s terrifying. Even my hobby will be down in the dumps if this continues. Coley, your words are reassuring and does a lot for me. Thank you.
i was concerned when the whole art by ai thing blew up, but because im not an artist whatsoever, i wasn't really able to grasp the full magnitude of the situation. now that fanfiction and by extension creative writing is being replicated by ai, im freaking out a little... ai really needs to stop making art in any form, otherwise people are going to be forced out of something that is supposed to be made by and made for people.
Technology is not going to force anyone out of their hobbies. That's not how that works. Even in the worst case scenario where AI writers somehow become better than humans (which I consider extremely unlikely), sewing machines have existed for over two centuries and there's still people out there who hand sew their own clothes because they want to.
Also, it's worth pointing out that AI music generators have been around for about a decade by now and yet human composers are still getting hired, so maybe this whole AI art thing won't be as big a deal as people think. We should still push back against unethical data mining, but I don't think there's any risk of AI abolishing human creativity or anything like that.
First AI art, and now writing. It's just so heartbreaking how creative works have slowly been overtaken by AI. As if being able to express emotion, one way of doing so is through art, isn't the _basic_ form of humanity that we have anyway. I try to be optimistic about all of this topic but I just... ugh.