How to use send effects the RIGHT way in Reason

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  • Опубліковано 25 жов 2024

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  • @Mix7Studio
    @Mix7Studio 5 років тому +5

    We've been doing something similar to this in live touring sound and analog studios for years. We basically return all of our global effects, less inserted effects, to open channels, then assign the channel out to either the L/C/R Master Out or to an open subgroup, then to the master out. The technique works well because it gives us much greater control of the signal i.e. Gain, EQ, Compression, etc. than when using the effects return knob. Which is very limited and requires a painful amount of setup in each individual effect processor, which is difficult to change on the fly. It's a good idea to use in Reason for the same reasons we use it and because it does save on CPU usage as opposed to inserting an effect or effects on each channel for more control. Good video.

  • @brandonwatkins9003
    @brandonwatkins9003 2 місяці тому

    Thank you.Ive been racking my brain lately to get this right. I can bus the efx bus into a pre stereo bus. I like to do some dynamics control before the stereo bus. Awesome job!

  • @benthompson3392
    @benthompson3392 3 роки тому +1

    Brilliant, thanks. It took me a while to realise why I was getting a delay on the send effects. It was latency, I changed audio driver and the setup worked perfectly. So if anyone else gets the effects a beat behind, check that.

    • @StockMusicMusician
      @StockMusicMusician  3 роки тому +1

      Fantastic! Also make sure you've click the delay compensation feature on the bottom right.

    • @sheenodj
      @sheenodj 3 роки тому

      Hi buddy, I have this problem. Are you able to run though the steps to help me fix it? It would be much appreciated! Thanks!

  • @williamharper4945
    @williamharper4945 7 років тому

    YOU HAVE NOW MADE IT POSSIBLE FOR ME NEVER TO LEAVE REASON TO GO TO ANY OTHER DAW THANKS SO MUCH BRO BECAUSE I LOVE REASON SO MUCH

    • @StockMusicMusician
      @StockMusicMusician  7 років тому

      +William Harper thanks Will! I'll say that Reason gets pretty frustrating when you've got sessions with a lot of tracks, so I wouldn't get rid of the old daws just yet.

  • @Centomila
    @Centomila 7 років тому +15

    @1:26 you can combine the first effect you create, and chain effects inside the combinator to avoid the connection to the second send effect. If you don't like the combinator, you can always remove it at the end :)
    @4:06 If you wanna make the return knob works, you can connect the DIRECT OUT of the individual mixes channel to the Mixer FX Return IN. In alternative you can use the Parallel OUT but you will double the fx signal i think :p
    BTW good content :). Good luck with your channel!

    • @StockMusicMusician
      @StockMusicMusician  7 років тому +7

      The @4:06 comment is brilliant! Thanks so much!!!! Now that you say it, I'm just like - duh!

    • @Centomila
      @Centomila 7 років тому +1

      Glad to help!

  • @mikeedmonston3209
    @mikeedmonston3209 4 роки тому +1

    Best tip EVER! Saved me so much hassle and headaches! Thank you, Thank you, thank you!!!!

  • @napynap
    @napynap 7 років тому +5

    That's an interesting title, as there is really no right or wrong way to do it. It's a matter of preference as we've seen in the past comments. This technique reminds me of the old analog days for boards that had limited FX returns. We would just use one of the monitor aux sends to an extra FX box and ran it into an unused channel on the board. That worked great live, because you could easily mute the FX when someone needs to just talk to the crowd. Thanks for the video!

    • @StockMusicMusician
      @StockMusicMusician  7 років тому +1

      It's definitely the old school way, but I think it's more "right" to do, because I find it easier organizationally, and unlocks additional power (like you can send sends).

  • @DanShureMusic
    @DanShureMusic 4 роки тому +1

    This is awesome, thanks so much! I'm playing with it now - subscribed!

  • @hwatopnotch
    @hwatopnotch 5 років тому

    Thanks a lot! had to rewatch and pauze the these last three videos a lot to get it all but I finally got a good template going!

  • @Galatians-2verse20
    @Galatians-2verse20 2 роки тому

    exactly what I was looking for 👍

  • @bEASToUTtHEbOX
    @bEASToUTtHEbOX 7 років тому +4

    I've been doing this in other DAWs, however, in Reason there is no solo defeat/isolate to keep from muting the EFX when you solo other channels. I've been asking for that option strictly for routing fx to mix(er) channels... since forever.

    • @StockMusicMusician
      @StockMusicMusician  7 років тому

      There isn't, unfortunately. It would be really nice to have, that's for sure.

  • @CT-td9mt
    @CT-td9mt 4 роки тому +1

    How do we address the delay caused by this? If you run the reverb 100% dry and trigger a snare hit, you can hear there is a maybe 30 ms differentiation between the snare mix channel and the FX master channel. This delay does not occur when you use the default FX returns on the master rack.

    • @StockMusicMusician
      @StockMusicMusician  4 роки тому +1

      Go to the mixer view and click the "Delay Comp" button in the bottom right.

  • @usurptom
    @usurptom 3 місяці тому

    cool video, but question, you didn't connect the direct outputs of the mix channels into the fx returns. is that not supposed to be connected? or what is difference between connecting or not connecting to fx returns?

  • @didierjoomun
    @didierjoomun 3 роки тому

    Great tips and technique, thanks! It's quite similar to the way Reggae dub effects are used. You can even apply the effect on itself and create feedback

  • @jamarimack9761
    @jamarimack9761 8 років тому +5

    Thanks for the tip. I haven't considered this alternate routing before.

    • @StockMusicMusician
      @StockMusicMusician  8 років тому

      +Jamari Mack happy to help! I find it really works well for me!

  • @MattP804VA
    @MattP804VA 3 роки тому

    Great info. Nice video 🤙

  • @cytasis5529
    @cytasis5529 4 роки тому

    you can also route the mix fx channel (reverb) from drums i.e. to the drumbuss to glue the reverb with the drum elements together with an compressor.

  • @blu5ha317
    @blu5ha317 3 роки тому

    love your stuff man

  • @DesmondMason
    @DesmondMason 5 років тому

    Awesome advice! Very helpful!

  • @JiggyWig
    @JiggyWig 8 років тому

    This is a neat idea. Thanks for the explanation.

    • @StockMusicMusician
      @StockMusicMusician  7 років тому

      +JiggyWig happy to help! It really improves my work flow and quality of my mixes!

  • @jayfisherphoto
    @jayfisherphoto 7 років тому +2

    Awesome idea. Thanks for sharing. You just scored a new subscriber :)

  • @godofrainbows
    @godofrainbows 7 років тому

    Very cool technique! Thanks for sharing!

  • @novaebeat
    @novaebeat 4 роки тому +1

    First of all: good tutorial, thanks. I followed every step but there is a BIG problem. There is a Delay added that the "delay comp" button can't solve. Is it only me ?

    • @StockMusicMusician
      @StockMusicMusician  4 роки тому

      It is 100% accurate for every possible plugin out there. But it should work for hte vast majority. There are sample delay plugins out there you can use to manually set things, but they're a real pain.

    • @sheenodj
      @sheenodj 3 роки тому

      I have the same problem with outputting the FX to channels. I get pretty bad delay/latency. Delay comp doesn’t fix it.

  • @saintofsunsets
    @saintofsunsets 5 років тому

    Hey, bother. I appreciate you elucidating this alternate & superior approach within Reason. It allows you to get creative, doesn't it? Subscribed :). Also, you've got a great voice for narration, and I liked how you humbly asked for the subscribe. PEACE!

  • @woodsdenis
    @woodsdenis 7 років тому +2

    The way you do it is the obvious old school way but it has one huge drawback, there is no solo safe in Reasons mixer so if you solo a mix channel that is using a send effect you won't hear it. Of course you can then solo the fx bus but again that adds an extra step.

    • @StockMusicMusician
      @StockMusicMusician  7 років тому +1

      You're totally right Dennis! Hopefully Reason 10 adds a more feature-rich mute/solo section. During the mixing stage, I really prefer being able to control everything from the mixing board without having to drop back into the rack, which is why I think this send effect technique still has legs!

  • @LeonKorteweg
    @LeonKorteweg 5 років тому

    SUPER useful.. thanks!

  • @noizebear6796
    @noizebear6796 5 років тому

    Thank you! That was very helpful!

  • @TheLevirus
    @TheLevirus 2 роки тому

    hello Thanks you for your video.
    So, if i want more bus effect as PRO TOOLS, LOGIC, CUBASE how i do please?

    • @StockMusicMusician
      @StockMusicMusician  2 роки тому +1

      There’s really not an easy way. You can use parallel busses a bit, but ultimately, Reason only allows 8 send effects, so it’s not truly professional grade

    • @TheLevirus
      @TheLevirus 2 роки тому

      @@StockMusicMusician Thanks you for your answer.indeed, I find it unfortunate that this daw does not give this possibility of having several shipments.

  • @substepz
    @substepz 5 років тому

    Hi, i have a question. In a blank template where I created 8 mix channels where I would put my effects. Now how can I assign my instruments such as kong or synthesizer to send effect from those mixed channels?

  • @scottwood6631
    @scottwood6631 5 років тому +1

    Evan. Thank you so much for your videos. I have returned to this one several times. One thing I haven't been able to do is at 5:14 which is to solo my effects. Whenever I hit solo, reason mutes the source canceling the signal to the effect. If I solo the source also, I hear the source and the effect. Am I doing something wrong? Would like to hear just the effect. I did get to this sweet spot by turning the volume on the source way down, but who wants to touch the faders once you have them set. I also am able to print the effect to an audio channel and then solo, but that is a lot of work and time. Any help is appreciated.

    • @StockMusicMusician
      @StockMusicMusician  5 років тому

      Scott what you describe is one of the shortcomings of the way sends are implemented in reason. I believe if you set the send effect to pre-fader, it still passes through when muted, but honestly, I don't like using pre-fader sends. To make up for this, I tend to boost the volume of my effects channels when I'm trying to dial them in.

  • @johnghadimi
    @johnghadimi 3 роки тому

    Sweet method!! I've been looking for a way to solo FX channels. I know this video is from 5 years ago, so is latency still an issue with this method? I noticed lots of people complaining about that in the comments.

    • @StockMusicMusician
      @StockMusicMusician  3 роки тому +1

      Glad it helped! And great question John - latency is no longer an issue (since Reason 10, I think), if you use the delay compensation button on the bottom right.

  • @Yaazam
    @Yaazam 2 роки тому

    This is great!

  • @SyncrisisVideos
    @SyncrisisVideos 5 років тому

    Couldn't you just hook up the combinators to the send/return to avoid the auto-route issues you mention in the beginning while still using them as sends on a per-channel basis?

  • @ansmfella
    @ansmfella 2 роки тому

    Brilliant, thank you 🙏

  • @JOEYGDAT1DUDE
    @JOEYGDAT1DUDE 3 роки тому

    Do you have a vocal template or a tutorial on how to build a send or side chain for Vocals - I would like to see that - I am going to subscribe.

    • @StockMusicMusician
      @StockMusicMusician  3 роки тому

      I have some videos in side chaining, but not really focused on vocals. Hopefully can make a video on it in the new year

  • @christaylor553
    @christaylor553 7 років тому

    This is an interesting method, but i have found that its easier to just load one Combinator with FX running directly from the RE to the sends bus and then Use A Parallel channel to add the FX too. The first reason this is good is that your parallel channel will already have EQ, filtering, compression, gating, and routing for your FX. The Second you don't end up changing your source while customizing your FX. This method gives you far more control, while not breaking the way the Reason deals with the FX sends. It also add interesting dynamics to what would be a flat sound.

    • @StockMusicMusician
      @StockMusicMusician  7 років тому

      I definitely see some those advantages. For me a lot also has to do with organization. I use parallel channels for a specific effect (like NY Compression or adding a touch of grit), but for broader filtering I find my method helpful just because I can see things at a glance on my larger projects.

  • @FrumSkratch
    @FrumSkratch 2 роки тому

    Great tutorial thank you! I have a question, in reason when gain staging should I use the gain knobs or the faders?

    • @StockMusicMusician
      @StockMusicMusician  2 роки тому +1

      Gain knobs! But also be sure to maintain the gain staying between each insert you use

    • @FrumSkratch
      @FrumSkratch 2 роки тому

      @@StockMusicMusician to be honest I'm not sure how to do that I'm kinda embarrassed to say, I've been teaching myself this whole time so any bit of info helps thanks again man your vids are great and easy to follow :)

  • @MusicFromTheBlackBox
    @MusicFromTheBlackBox 3 роки тому

    How is this different than making a normal reverb send, creating a parallel channel of the sound you want to process, to which you put the send effect and then process it with EQ as an insert on that parallel channel?

    • @StockMusicMusician
      @StockMusicMusician  3 роки тому

      Because you can send multiple instruments to this reverb send and process everything the same AFTER the reverb (or before depending on the signal path on the send).

  • @Harlin67
    @Harlin67 3 роки тому

    How do you automate individual effects using this method, such as Reverb only on one synth, which is automated in a drop or riser etc?

    • @StockMusicMusician
      @StockMusicMusician  3 роки тому

      You still would do individual effects as inserts on their own channels.

  • @myleslasco
    @myleslasco 6 років тому

    Thank you. Really helpful.

  • @jasonmills6041
    @jasonmills6041 2 роки тому

    This method also works nicely if you are using your sends for headphone mixes. If you have your effects set up this way you just click the send that your separate headphone mix is on for each effect you want to hear in that headphone mix. It is great when you are tracking multiple players who all want there own headphone mix.

  • @DanielBergonzoni
    @DanielBergonzoni 6 років тому

    Thanks for the tip!!! Much appreciated

  • @rupaq437
    @rupaq437 2 роки тому

    Is it also possible to use a bus as an fx send in Reason? For parralel compression for example.

  • @johngibbons3138
    @johngibbons3138 Рік тому

    There's a problem here.
    If you do this, it will create a slap delay on the mix channel. I tried his and spoke to proellerhead. The plugins latency isn't corrected since it's is detected as unusual routing.

    • @StockMusicMusician
      @StockMusicMusician  11 місяців тому

      Have you tried adding delay compensation using the button for that in newer versions of Reason?

  • @TimelessGamingSoftware
    @TimelessGamingSoftware 11 місяців тому

    Is there a way to get more than 8 aux sends?

  • @arkhitektz3150
    @arkhitektz3150 6 років тому +10

    thank you,Lenny Kravitz

  • @guitarmaniac004
    @guitarmaniac004 5 років тому

    Thanks dude! Where did you get all those extra plugins from? Like the saturation knob and such

  • @shyfawxproductions
    @shyfawxproductions Рік тому

    Thanks so much homie

  • @andreilemieux9525
    @andreilemieux9525 7 років тому

    Hey so Jw could you do a video on setting up a screen capture program and how to record the audio from reason. I have an interface and sound flower. And want to use QuickTime, but my issue is that I can only seem to record the audio coming from the built in mic on my Mac

  • @dglassb
    @dglassb 4 роки тому

    im getting a bit of a delay on the signal when i setup my sends like this. i cant find the delay compensation knob you speak of in one of your comments

    • @StockMusicMusician
      @StockMusicMusician  4 роки тому

      I don't think they added delay compensation until Reason 8 or 9 or maybe even 10. If you're using an earlier version it won't be there. Otherwise, it's on the bottom right.

    • @dglassb
      @dglassb 4 роки тому

      @@StockMusicMusician im on reason 10. is the compensation knob on the mix window, sequencer window or rack?

  • @amalshakur
    @amalshakur 7 років тому

    You can change the name of the combinator to affect the send and return label strips.

  • @marcpinion
    @marcpinion 4 роки тому

    Fantastic thanks

  • @CarlSigeback
    @CarlSigeback Рік тому

    Hey man! Do you know if its possible to have more than 8 send effects in any way?

    • @StockMusicMusician
      @StockMusicMusician  Рік тому

      Using the main mixer in Reason, the answer is no, unfortunately. You could set up sub mixes using parallel channels and some of the utility mixers to do a work around that is a huge pain and not really worth the effort.

  • @BenvanGeest
    @BenvanGeest 6 років тому

    Thank you for the video! Much appreciated. I just got Reason 10, so this certainly helped me out a bit. But how would you route these effects in conjunction with an audio track? In Logic I just create a bus and that's where my effects go. In Reason however, this seems to work entirely different. Could you perhaps point that out to me? It's probably very similar, but I haven't managed to get it right yet. Cheers!

    • @StockMusicMusician
      @StockMusicMusician  6 років тому

      You send the audio track to the effects Sends using the mixer send knobs. Then you can bus all the effects together.

  • @DUDEBRO48
    @DUDEBRO48 7 років тому

    Could you possibly post a stock template for mixing ?

    • @StockMusicMusician
      @StockMusicMusician  7 років тому

      Dauqs Troopers I've got an old one from about six months ago. I'll make a new one once we get our hands on 9.5!

    • @RemoteControlband
      @RemoteControlband 5 років тому

      Apologies for asking a year later, but do you happen to have a new one for 10? Genuinely intrigued ! :)

  • @Thesuproducer
    @Thesuproducer 7 років тому

    dope tutorial

  • @josephapollo5438
    @josephapollo5438 4 роки тому

    what do i do if route to does not show up when i select all channels?

    • @StockMusicMusician
      @StockMusicMusician  4 роки тому

      Try doing it a few channels at a time. My guess is that you may have accidentally selected the master channel, which can’t be routed, preventing you from rooting all the others

  • @djnoriega
    @djnoriega 7 років тому

    would i have my drum tracks bus to the fx bus? i noticed when i have it set up the way your showing in the vid i solo out the snare and i cant hear any of my fx the are sent to that track unless i un solo or if i have my tracks bus to the fx bus i have solo the fx bus and the snare to hear the fx if i want to audition the track if that makes sense. thanks

    • @StockMusicMusician
      @StockMusicMusician  7 років тому

      +DJ Noriega you're totally right! You also need to solo either the effect channel or the effect bus. It kind of sucks, but ultimately I think this method is still more powerful.

  • @KarimLeMec
    @KarimLeMec 4 роки тому

    I tried your method but with Pulverizer and there's lot of phase problem

    • @StockMusicMusician
      @StockMusicMusician  4 роки тому

      Did you turn on the "delay compensation" knob in the bottom left? It should cancel that out.

  • @NikolaiMishchenkoMusic
    @NikolaiMishchenkoMusic 6 років тому

    Very cool!!!!

    • @StockMusicMusician
      @StockMusicMusician  6 років тому

      +Nikolai Mishchenko Music it's really powerful once you get comfortable with it

  • @mechanicproduction5066
    @mechanicproduction5066 7 років тому

    Hi there .. nice vids very useful... I'm a tribal funky techno producer . I used to do it 10 years ago . Made some tracks but not as good as the material I'm coming up with now as I'm studying dance music and basic music production mixing arranging programming (as I like to make everything from scratch ) and in the future learn in depth mastering.. I fancy a crack at that ... I was wondering if you would be willing to exchange idea's.. more me learning from you lol .. I'm very serious about where I'm going with my life and what I'm going to do music wise

    • @StockMusicMusician
      @StockMusicMusician  7 років тому

      Hey Dan, thanks so much for your kind words - and you're passion for music totally comes through! If you look at my Patreon channel (www.patreon.com/stockmusicmusician), I offer one-on-one coaching, mix critiques, and group lessons there and would love to work with you to help you achieve your music goals!

    • @dannyho6786
      @dannyho6786 5 років тому

      fancy boi

  • @vyppahsanchez
    @vyppahsanchez 7 років тому

    you never did the return cables on the mix channels.
    does this still work as send?

    • @StockMusicMusician
      @StockMusicMusician  7 років тому +1

      Yep, you don't return the cables, because it short circuits the mixer channel. Instead, the mixer channels becomes the returns, essentially.

    • @vyppahsanchez
      @vyppahsanchez 7 років тому

      Thanks!

  • @Macho_Beats
    @Macho_Beats 8 років тому

    How to you send it you sad the knobs dont work i like the idea thanks for all of your videos

    • @StockMusicMusician
      @StockMusicMusician  8 років тому

      +macho beats the send knobs and buttons still work! But the return knobs don't. Instead, you use the volume faders to control the return volume. Then buss all the fx together, into a master fx buss to control ultimate level.

  • @rogergamon
    @rogergamon 5 років тому

    Hi, great video thanks. However, when I tried to replicate what you did at around ua-cam.com/video/b7WioPzKFwo/v-deo.html - whereas your Reason session has shown that the Return slots are filled in automatically (in the mixer view) once you have attached the respective mixers to the master section - this isn't happening when I try that? It only does so (auto fills in the return slots) when I attached (in the Rack view) the return cables: but that then just makes the effects act like a normal send/return rather than the system you are achieving whereby one effect goes to another all then going to a single output mixer? Any ideas on why I am not able to replicate what you are doing would be gratefully received! :) Many thanks, Roger

  • @ArsenBiser
    @ArsenBiser 6 років тому

    Cool!!!

  • @GMackulateTactics
    @GMackulateTactics 6 років тому

    How do you save this as a template?

    • @StockMusicMusician
      @StockMusicMusician  6 років тому

      +Greg Mack hey Greg, you can download a template of this I've already made here ua-cam.com/video/0NyN3NGbOTo/v-deo.html

    • @GMackulateTactics
      @GMackulateTactics 6 років тому

      Thank you!!! One other question I have is, is there a way to "solo safe" your Effects Mixer Channels? i.e. to still have them be active (not muted) when you hit solo on another instrument?
      That would make this method idealll

  • @jasperholst
    @jasperholst 7 років тому

    I don't understand it..! Would have been great if you had set up a few recorded tracks and had shown how to use your setup...

    • @StockMusicMusician
      @StockMusicMusician  7 років тому +1

      Thanks Jasper, I'll try to make a demo soon!

    • @leroyjones6170
      @leroyjones6170 7 років тому

      A few words would suffice!!! 😬
      Is this for individual tracks? So I can route each instrument track too? Or for mastering?
      I'm not a newbie to this but I am far from you in knowledge lol thanks for the videos I am subscribed!

    • @StockMusicMusician
      @StockMusicMusician  7 років тому

      Leroy Jones it's for individual tracks or for busses [for example it could send just the snare to reverb or you could send all the drums]. I do so the master bus through insert effects, though.

  • @techiyew
    @techiyew 4 роки тому +1

    damn that daw looks complicated cubase make everything so ez

  • @therealdevillion
    @therealdevillion 7 років тому

    isn´t this a total DSP killer?

    • @StockMusicMusician
      @StockMusicMusician  7 років тому +1

      +Dev Illion not really. It can actually use less dsp than the traditional way of using send fx in reason, because you don't need to create separate effects for eq and compression!

    • @therealdevillion
      @therealdevillion 7 років тому

      I´ll have to try this. But i will make a template :D too lazy to do this every time :D

  • @mechanicproduction5066
    @mechanicproduction5066 7 років тому

    Would be great to have a good brain on my side .. laters bud

  • @anthonygarca7713
    @anthonygarca7713 4 роки тому

    weird, won't for me.

  • @schpoingle
    @schpoingle 2 роки тому

    wtf

  • @xeroxcafe1090
    @xeroxcafe1090 6 років тому

    I have trouble mixing in Reason beacuse of RAM issues (i got 16 GB RAM). Is FL Studio, ProTools, or other programs better? i want to use my own VSTs.

    • @StockMusicMusician
      @StockMusicMusician  6 років тому +1

      16 gigs of ram is plenty. Its probably a cpu bottleneck or lack of sse. Also use wav files when mixing instead of midi instruments

  • @BigBStatz
    @BigBStatz 5 років тому

    Brilliant! Thank you!