3 Differences Between Orthodox and Protestant Christianity
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Follower of Jesus here.....Love ALL OF YOU
I’m a Protestant but I honor and respect my Catholic and Orthodox brothers and sisters
Im proud being Protestant Christian 🙃
Doctrine Matters! Bible Matters!
I’m more interested in the biblical case against orthodoxy
Good luck with that bro 😂
The bible is literally God's word. It shocks me any denomination thinks they can add to the bible when the bible itself tells you not to add or remove anything from the bible who else they will receive the plagues written in the Bible.
Protestant here. God bless my Orthodox brothers.
Amen!
Orthodox Christian from Romania here,God bless all of my Orthodox brothers and sisters!
Did you ask them for evidence when they were telling you the religious fairy tales & myths? Or, did you just believe them because they showed you a primitive book that claims itself to be the holy truth?
Doamne ajuta!
@@AtamMardesAre you denying historical accuracy in the Bible, or are you denying the fact that there is a God, or are you denying the fact that the Bible is true?
Amin☦️
@@AtamMardesas a non-believer myself, please take a walk, see about your business and let people believe if they want to.
Bless my Orthodox Brothers and Sisters and 1 Day I will go one on a Sunday ✝️🤝☦️….
Good video btw for anyone wondering this beautiful chant is called “Psalm 135”
Being Catholic my Orthodox brothers are GOATED
And based
No they’re not. They are heretical schismatics who will go nowhere but to Hell.
Aye!
@taylorrowe2002 - orthodoxy is also wrong on the immaculate conception (they deny it like Protestants), rebaptism, divorce ( some jurisdictions allow up to 4 marriages), contraception and the primacy of Peter. Their liturgies are the same as the Byzantine catholic. It’s beautiful like the Latin Mass. Had Vatican 2 not trashed the mass, orthodoxy may have returned to the one true faith.
@taylorrowe2002 No you haven’t and you are not a true Catholic. The Church has dogmatically stated there is no salvation outside the church. You are not a catholic.
The most important decision a person can face in their life is what they do with Jesus. You accept him as your lord and savior or you deny him. Because whether your Protestant or orthodox or whatever nothing else matters but the Son of God! Our lord our savior
This is ALL that matters when all is said and done. ..what will I do with Jesus?
Paul asks in Corinthian 3 are we not acting like mere mortals arguing..debating?
God only has one Church which is the Eastern Orthodox Christian Church. Everything else is heresy
@@KM15Athletics They are not even talking about church. Also not everything is heretical some are heterodox which is not completely heretical by orthodox standards. I studied orthodoxy, I'v been to Orthodox Churches have you done the same with Protestants? If not please don't be so quick to attack a group of Christians who love Christ and are part of the body of believers.
@@justdoinmything I converted from Protestantism actually. And Christ has one body not many. There is one church which is the Holy Orthodox Church
What will truly matter for all who must stand before Him is holiness, obedience, love and having yielded to Holy Spirit.
Without holiness , no man shall see God.”
“He will receive from me and show it unto you.”
“They that are led by the Spirit of God; they are the Sons of God.”
“We are his house if we hold fast our confidence firm and steadfast to the end.”
Δόξα θεός ☦️☦️☦️
Amen 🙏 Amen
After all the study I’ve done the conclusion I’ve come to is that the best commentary on the Bible is the Bible.
The bible was put together by the apostles. So was the church.
@@guardtheham1233but which one
@@vikingdrengenspiders7875 Catholic Church
@@guardtheham1233Which church tho
Did you ask them for evidence when they were telling you the religious fairy tales & myths? Or, did you just believe them because they showed you a primitive book that claims itself to be the holy truth?
I’m Catholic! I’m Protestant! I’m orthodox! Who cares what you are. You don’t matter, only Christ matters. All we do is separate ourselves from each other when we should all be in Christ.
Amen
It matters. Only the Orthodox Church is 100% correct. The others are not. You can say only Jesus matters but who is Jesus? Only the Orthodox Church describes him correctly
I'm baptised Catholic but I love all our Christian brothers and sisters. ✝️❤🙏
@@Hap674who is Jesus?
Son of God
The 2nd person in the Trinity
One Person - Fully Human and Fully Divine
Born of the Virgin Mary the Theotokos
I’m not orthodox by the way.
But that’s who Jesus is to me and He is my lord and savior. 🙏🏻✝️
@@EJ_Lion That’s exactly what I believe x
““Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.”
Matthew 7:21 NKJV
It’s not about denomination, it’s about doing the will of God. Follow Jesus, not religion.
So by whose standard of authority are you using to make that interpretation of that passage?
@@austinditullio6682Who do you think? 1 Corinthians 2
Wait a minute, Father God, Yahwe has a Father?
@bagchun God is triune/Godhead. Father, Son, Holy Spirit. 3 distinct persons, 1 divine nature and essence. The Father begotts the Son, and the Holy Spirit proceeds from The Father. No one has seen the Father. Jesus Christ(Son), who is The God-Man(incarnation) 100% God 100% Man is an Icon of the Father. "Who has seen me, has seen the Father"- Jesus Christ. The Holy Spirit leads and guides and even dwells within those who are Baptized into Christ's body The Orthodox Church ☦️
@@austinditullio6682 Protestant. If they say "Follow Jesus, not religion." They're Protestant.
Different members of the same body, God bless everyone watching this video. Christ is king
The Bible is all you need. Any church tradition is trying to supercede Christ's authority
Catholic brethren here: hoping we can end this schism divided b/w us all in my lifetime.
Love of Christ to you, brothers and sisters.
I married a Catholic- school girl and now teacher. She fully understands why we raise our children orthodox and that the modern Catholic Church has become too easy and forgiving. Being orthodox comes with great sacrifice. No longer does her family show up to church in sports jerseys and spend 45 minutes and leave.
In Christ we are One body, through the Baptism of the Holy Spirit.
As long as we stay True to what the Bible teaches.
Salvation is in Christ, not a Church.
Father, Son, Holy Spirit-God
Holy Trinity 🙏
@@awesomeboy406Only through Jesus Christ we will see the light. A believe that connects all of us Christians.
Well, there’s a new document coming out that intends to reshape the papacy. If that happens, you could see some union with the orthodox in your lifetime.
Traditions of men nailed our Savior to a cross :'( Beware the leaven of the scribes and Pharisees!
no one believed this until the 16th century
And what salvation do you have if had Jesus not been nailed to the cross?
@@cajunguy6502
Zeus!!
Thank you for sharing about orthodox Christian religion
As a protestant, I did find these fascinating
When the traditions of men overpowered the gospel, making hard to comply, then it’s not a true church.
As an ex-catholic, who converted into Baptist 20 yrs ago, we are true to our calling, and that is to share the true gospel of a Christ to everyone. We always believe that salvation should come the moment you believe that you are a sinner and is bound to hell to pay for your sins, but God loved us that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but everlasting life. We do not require anyone to go into baptism to be saved, we don’t require anyone to pray for the saints nor the dead. Salvation should come from “believing” and not “experiencing”. Remember the thief who ask Jesus to be with him in paradise? It’s all about faith in Jesus!
The Bible says to put on the whole armour of God so that we may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. Anything that adds work or tradition to the gospel is like wolves in sheep’s clothing.
It leads you to the other way. There is only ONE WAY! It’s Jesus! Saints couldn’t save you, nor your church, not even your pagan idols. Anyone who thinks otherwise are teaching false message.
Everytime I hear tradition, I think if the pharisee
I am technically protestant and what I believe what God said (The Bible) not the traditions. Traditions are made by people, they change and often times contradict what God says. I have nothing against traditions as addition, enrichment of what is true, but they don't shift or dictate the truth nor have power to change it.
traditions were before the Bible tho (written words)
@@rub23n even if, but if they contradict the Bible you should leave them. Just like Jews couldn't and because of that they rather broke the Bible instead of their traditions. They chose traditions over God's word. Traditions can be beautiful things if they don't go against the Bible(words of God).
As a maronite catholic, it does not matter. As long as you are a Christian and love God you will be saved.
And how does one believe in Christ and worship a woman one calls immaculate, perpetual virgin, assumed, queen of heaven and mother of God when there is no such person?
@@sammygomes7381I guess you died and saw there wasn’t such a person . You really are something
Average evangelical coper
As a Confessional Lutheran, do not lump other Protestants together as having the same Theology. It is far too complex to generalize the distinctions as the same. Confessional Lutherans for instance keep the liturgy service (same with Presbyterians and others). It is seems that only the Evangelicals stray away from liturgy.
Second, Confessional Lutherans do not disregard the Church Fathers in importance with how we interpret the Bible. It is just that we put the Bible's authority above the Church Fathers. So when a Church Father contradicts another Church Father on a Biblical interpretation, we look at the inerrant word of God to see which Church Father's argument is correct based on the Bible.
It is just gets too old, every time I see Protestants are lumped to together as the same. We are not the same, in fact the similarities are thin outside the doctrine of Trinity. Lutherans have Christological disagreements with the other Protestants. It is like if I lumped Greek and Russian Orthodox Christians together as having the same Liturgical langauge because both are Eastern Orthodox. While these two use two langauges in liturgy (Koine Greek and Church Slavonic).
By this, it is shown that if you group people together as being the same, it is as fallacious as saying two similar groups speak the same language (refusing to look at the differences).
May this complexity be understood thoroughly and quickly. May it be shown that Protestants do not agree on every topic. May my Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox brothers and sisters acknowledge the reality rather than a generality. Amen
@Imagodei-wt5vs I do not follow Luther nor Apostle, I follow Christ.
"Is Christ divided?..." As Paul says in First Corinthians, chapter one, verse 13. Furthermore, I am a high church Lutheran aware of the Fathers as a secondary authority to scripture. Though, we disagree; I follow Christ, not Luther. Just because I agree with Martin Luther's arguments based on Scripture and the Church Fathers, that does not mean I follow Luther. I follow the Trinity in Unity and the Unity in Trinity in the name Lord, Lord.
I just wanted to clarify that. God bless you and your week.
Amen brother
Big difference. Protestants doesn't Pray the only way to Pray which is Our Father that Jesus taught us.
@pilarrusso9883 I do not know about other denominations, but traditional Lutherans, Anglicans, and Calvinists always pray Our Father in the Mass.
I have no knowledge about the Protestants you are speaking of though.
Gee being stereotyped is old hat for Catholics. Most Protestants of all stripes believe that Catholics are still hiding a grand inquisitor
2nd commandment given to Moses which coincidentally Christ follows too being a monothiest, that don't make graven images of anything living in the heavens, upon the earth or from within the sea. No pictures, paintings, idols or statues yet look at your churches & the images in this video.
God is the authority in Protestant church. The Bible is God’s word.
I'm a protestant with a close friend who is Eastern Orthodox. We often talk religion and I enjoy learning about his religion, especially one that is so similar yet different in practice :)
Orthodox for life 🙏🏻
I feel sorry for you...being trapped in that religion.
True Christianity is not a religion.
“Every way of a man is right in his own eyes: but the LORD pondereth the hearts.” Prov 21:2
Personally I’m not orthodox or Catholic as they rely far too much on the traditions of man as opposed to scripture. It I think all three branches of the faith need to remember at the end of the day we are followers of Christ.
@@ginaidoma5925shut up atheist
@@thedukeofchutney468so is Islam lol, what’s ur point ?
Good day friends. The church has many streams and development for various reasons and culture. The main point is a true and living relationship with the Father, Son and Spirit and seeking to do the Lords Will in faith and love.❤🙏
With the Orthodox Church being the purest and truest crystallization by which we refine our relationship and seek to do the Lord’s Will.
It’s funny that your probably have no idea of the origins of the trinity. From KJV to the Vulgate it’s all doctored Hebrew or Altered Greek in the Septuagint ( for all you Greek Orthodox idolators) The council of Nicaea created that lie, along with the rest of the church fathers. There’s is only one G-d. Drinking blood and eating flesh is directly antithetical to all other Abrahamic religions.
@@walterkasica6480 Jesus sees His sheep among the flock- His Body of believers never exalting one denomination over another but humbly seeing each other as brothers and sisters in Christ growing up into all Truth , Knowledge and Wisdom in Him, saved by His Sacrifice for us and serving Him and each other equally. I serve in the Salvation Army and have been among the Catholic, Pentecostal, Presbyterian and Alliance groups etc. as we journey together in Christ and I agree to follow sound doctrine and practice of life in Christ our Lord and Savior.🙏❤️
@@WithinandThroughout Absolutely God is Triune One. I do know the origins of the term Trinity very well and although it is a technical term it still reveals biblical Truth of the Distinction of Persons and Relationship of Love in God revealed as Father, Son and Spirit. Also among the Salvation Army we believe in Christs Perfect Sacrifice once Offered for our Reconciliation and Peace with God as we enter into saving relationship to Christ and live in Communion with Him. The words of John 6 arenot to literally resacrifice Christ and eat Him but spiritually receive Him once Offered into our hearts by faith daily and forever in love and service to Him our Lord Savior and Only True Messiah.
@@WithinandThroughoutdelusion
Let’s all unite by our love for Lord Jesus! ❤️🔥
Sound Reasonable to me ❤
As a Protestant thank you for being fair and honest in your presentation of our branch.
Respect ✝️ 5️⃣☀️ 🤝☦️
As a former Southern Baptist who is now Orthodox, I agree. The descriptions are very fair and honest. I appreciated that as well.
@@lighthousephotographybandera
Orthodox as well as Catholics has many demonic traditions. The Protestants has the same traditions as the primary church so nothing to compare.
The faith was delivered once for all totally and complete. There is no such thing as a branch theory, this was invented in modern times to justify the deviations and the alterations that have taken place mostly in the last 500 years.
@@pg618 When Peter and the Apostles prayed to saints ?? The Catholic Church says the Bible is a Catholic book but 95% of the tradition aren’t biblical not even the purgatory. Catholic Church is pagan look how Constantine mixed paganism with Christianism learn history. Catholic it’s No No the reformation was super necessary Gods plan.
@@Axelnegronperez what is your evidence that Constantine mixed anything up? A Protestant book written 50 years ago? If Constantine had influence then the Arians would have won the contest because he was baptized by an Aryan and he supported them but they lost, explain that.
I believe in Jesus Christ, my Lord and Savior.
If jesus died for our sins, why do we still keep commiting them?
He forgave our sins, that doesn’t mean we won’t commit them anymore.
Free will. @@adud5475
We need to trust in Jesus Christ like he told us, only Jesus Christ knows the path to salvation as it goes through him our saviour 🩵
@adud5475 free will, and sin feels good doesn't it we trap ourselves in sin cycles till the cell door shuts
Protestant but I want to go to an Orthodox Church
Same here, do tell your experience goes if you’ve visited one before I.
I don't agree with worshipping saints even though I'm orthodox. I'm confused
@@abe8809don't let your denomination define you. They're good for teaching you tradition, but if something feels wrong, dwell in prayer and read your Bible to discern and confirm your concerns
@@tydy5266 Thank you. Really appreciate it. May God bless you and your family ✝️
@abe8809 correction: we don't worshipthe saints but simply ask they pray for us that we may also reach the kingdom
That's why you see so many friendships develop far quicker with Catholics and Orthodox people because they totally understand each others Churches and respect each other. Many marriage's have formed between Catholic and Orthodox because of the similarities in Church traditions and worship at Mass. Godbless and I love my Orthodox brothers and Sisters in Christ. 🙏🙏🙏
Our highest authority is the Holy Spirit
The Bible says 1. The Holy Spirit will teach you all things. 2. Christ died for our sins and to give those who repent DIRECT access to the Father. 3. God say COME TO ME hundreds of times. Any diversion to any other person away from God is sin and a plot of the enemy.
So asking Sister Thelma down at the church to pray that my surgery goes well is a plot of the enemy?
@@bsdnfraje …..no. We are supposed to pray for and with our family here on earth. You just don’t pray TO sister Thelma
@@cmwHisArtist but pray is just an old fashioned word for ask. So if it's ok to ask Sister Thelma to pray for me, it must be ok to ask Saint Xenia to pray for me also.
@@bsdnfraje ….the difference is that one is alive, and one is dead . We get comfort and support and unity in prayer from our earthly Christian family. God says Come To Me many times in the Bible….Jesus died for us to have direct access to the Father ONLY through Him. 1 Timothy 2:5…For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, Christ Jesus. God never never says to pray to anyone except Him. To do so would be to deny God’s power . The saints screamed and tore their clothes when people knelt down before them here on earth. Also, God does not love or listen to any “saint” more than you. He does, however love and respond to our earthly group prayer and intercession.
@@cmwHisArtist So if he's just dead, why did Jesus tell the good thief, "Today, I will see you in paradise"? It makes little sense to me to worship a man going around lying to people with his dying breath.
Of course, maybe your understanding of scripture is limited. That's also a possibility, I'll acknowledge.
Thank you for puting my favorite chant in the backrounds music 😊 Psalm 135 ☦️
I was a Protestant I've been Orthodox for 36 years and I can tell you they are in two different worlds. And every person who says he's bible-based should really speak the truth, it's his brain-based, private subjective, interpretation of the Bible. In contrast the Orthodox interpretation is based on hundreds of very holy people, not just one.
sure, so let's start with how baptism works. Or how about the holy water thing?
@@onanisland6813 could you clarify your two questions you sound just reactionary.
@@pg618 If the Orthodox are very thorough with their interpretation of the scriptures then they should be able to at least do baptism properly right? The instructions and requirements for baptism are clear as day but why are they performing it on babies?
@@onanisland6813the instructions on how we should perform the liturgy (priesthood, incense, icons, holy of holies, holy, an altar, Eucharist, etc) are very clear, yet only the Orthodox church follows it
@@basementlm4200 sure! kindly provide biblical reference. But please answer the baptism first
RUSSIAN ORTHODOX CHRISTIAN ☦️🙏🏻✨️ converted from Protestant ! - GOD is with the Orthodox ❤
God is supporting the Russian orthodox patriarchs which support the russo Ukrainian war
God is with all of us Christian’s ❤️
@@wayfaringalone6037No, it is not...
God is with all spiritual christians!
@@ПолинаЧеркасова-б9н Spiritual Christians hah ?!
On July 6, 1439, the Union of Eastern Orthodox to the Roman Catholic Church was signed by all bishops at the Council of Florence but one, Mark of Ephesus. The Union was officially proclaimed by Isidore of Kiev in the Hagia Sophia on Dec. 12, 1452. On May 29, 1453, Constantinople fell to the Ottomans, who subsequently encouraged clerics who wished to divide European Christians.
Let us reunite! Let the Orthidox implement the Union their hierarchy SIGNED..
what is the background chant
Ortodox Church is Truth and Love ❤❤❤
Islam is the truth. Search about Islam before you die or you will regret.
I know u wish they were the first but catholics were
Respect my broda
No, Jesus is Truth and Love
@@tydy5266 Jesus is a prophet not God.
Proud protestant!!! The biggest awakenings and revivals and the most free and greatest country in the history (USA) have been mostly protestant!!
Regardless, doesnt matter what division of Christianity you belong to as long as you are truly saved😊❤
Non chosen. There were no Protestant present at the last supper nor Pentecost. None on the twelve Apostles nor the seventy disciples selected any Protestant. Martin Luther entered the Catholic priesthood a sin left. So you are not from the beginning and GOD did not state upon the Twelve Apostles death he would choose any Protestant to replace Peter the Chief Apostle. News flash JESUS never spoke nor read nor wrote English!
Outside of any church and bible it is through faith in Jesus Christ a person is saved. Faith in Christ for salvation is THE most important thing. Any church can teach you the things of religion but without the spiritual cleansing of the blood of Christ and the new birth of the Spirit, which in themselves is independent of any earthly means and is the work of God, you are a sinner.
A person can attend any church and memorise the entire Bible, yet without the spiritual rebirth through faith in Christ those things are absolutely pointless. There will be Catholics, Orthodox and Protestant Christians in heaven, because it will only be those who have been justified through the blood of Christ and are cleansed of all sin before a holy God that will be saved.
Leave the arguments and differences at the door and be united through the common faith in Christ, the provision of God for the unjust and unrighteous.
Jesus told believers to join the Church of the Apostles
@@uchennanwogu2142 Jesus never said that. He said repent and believe. The Apostles affirmed by grace you're saved, through faith. I'll see you in heaven 🙂
@@ExodusPrime-x5h 14 Although I hope to come to you soon, I am writing you these instructions so that, 15 if I am delayed, you will know how people ought to conduct themselves in God’s household, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth. 16 Beyond all question, the mystery from which true godliness springs is great:
1 Timothy 3:14-16
@@ExodusPrime-x5h i hope to see u there too
Finally someone said this. I'm so tired of Christians fighting with eachother. We, true believers, are the body of Christ Jesus. We are saved by His love and grace, through his sacrifice on the cross. If I don't meet y'all in this life, I will meet you when we get to heaven. God bless you all!
Where is the pinned comment? I want to see the case against Protestantism.
I am a pentecostal Christian over 30 years ,Glory to Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth forever.
Where was he born?
@@AbzJumain Bethleam
I am protestant and I don't understand why this is so important why are we being divided all that matters is that we believe that Jesus dies for our sins and rose again 3 days later and he is the son of God.
Protestants devided us christians. We are being accused by them of all sorts of things…
Me neither, can't we get along and fight against the plague that is modern humanism? It will overtake us all if we do not.
protestants divided in the first place
This is why I am in a non denominational church. All this elitism is a huge turn-off.
@@DescendingBlade its the church Jesus established
Reading the comments, as a protestant, I grew tired of this discussion. All the same fallacies, all the same arguments, echo chamber everywhere, over and over again. Every sect saying "I am the real one!"
Bollocks. Pure spiritual immaturity.
And I don't welcome ANY church that says that I'm condemned for not being part of the church.
The Gospels are for I become a temple of God, not that I must adhere a physical church so I can be with God.
You can't divorce the scriptures from the very Church(Orthodox) that gave birth to them. The Church is the body of Christ of who he is head of. To deny the Church is to deny Christ himself.
@@austinditullio6682 Nope, orthodoxy, never, gave birth to the scriptures.
That's a fallacy, a lie, used to get people to believe that your church holds authority over the scriptures.
No Orthodox, neither Catholics, created the scriptures. Your church fathers were already commenting the gospels before you even had a pope.
@@austinditullio6682 Every believer is a member of the Body of Christ, regardless of what your traditions says. He knows who are His! And we know His voice, and none other will we follow!
@kozmicaos fallacy? You're not using that word correctly. 2nd, the Church came before the scriptures, not the other way around.
Moses built the Tabernacle and made Aaron and his sons priest, establishing a hierarchical system, aka The Church, BEFORE he wrote the 1st 5 books of the OT, if the Israelites wanted to know the scriptures they would go to the temple and ask a priest about them.
Christ establishes the new covenant Church on Pentecost with His Apostles, giving them the Holy Spirit and their Authority as the first bishops and priest. The Church later on translated the Hebrew OT into Greek(Septuigent), and in the 4th century, compiled and canonized the NT scriptures with the OT, and that's how we got the Holy Bible!
We Orthodox rejected Rome and their Pope(great schism) this is basic Church history, dude. You're severely ignorant and yet so arrogant. You look absolutely foolish.
@Brett.Crealy-kh1sk No, there is only One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church of Jesus Christ, and that's Eastern Orthodoxy. Christ is head of His body, Christ has One head and One body, NOT One head with many bodies. Roman Catholics and Protestants are Heterodox, but we, unlike Rome DON'T, make any salvation claims about anyone in or outside the Church because we're not God and can't know his judgment. The Church never taught this OSAS doctrine that the Protestants made up. Salvation is a lifelong struggle until our last breath, and there is only one true path up the mountain. Come home to Orthodoxy ☦️❤️
I believe Jesus is the ultimate authority. His word teaches us who He is....
Spirituality, the biggest wars are about Religion. I am a devoted follower of Jesus Christ. I am friendly to both Protestants and Orthodox. Predominantly I am a devoted to the Spirituality of Our Lord Jesus Christ. I am a lay person by any stretch of the imagination. No leadership required either. A pilgrim. ❤🌹
In other words orthodox is salvation + works. Where in protestant we are saved by grace through faith alone. A working faith that saves is never without good works. 🙂
Protestant formula: faith = salvation AND good intentions/works.
Goodness from our hearts isn't ours but God's! He gave it us through salvation, which is worth just beliving in him.
Orthodox when Matthew 1:25 is read.
"St billy bobulous XII 1050 AD states Mary actually didn't consummate her marriage but instead she repelled Joseph with her glorious magesty. We must view all scripture through the lense we want you to view it through."
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@dj_teelmundo7245 Hello. Ezekiel 44:1-3 refers to the perpetual virginity of Mary:,,Then he brought me back the way of the gate of the outward sanctuary which looketh toward the east; and it was shut. 2 Then said the LORD unto me; This gate shall be shut, it shall not be opened, and no man shall enter in by it; because the LORD, the God of Israel, hath entered in by it, therefore it shall be shut. 3 It is for the prince; the prince, he shall sit in it to eat bread before the LORD; he shall enter by the way of the porch of that gate, and shall go out by the way of the same. 3 It is for the prince; the prince, he shall sit in it to eat bread before the LORD; he shall enter by the way of the porch of that gate, and shall go out by the way of the same.” (Ezekiel 44:1-3, KJV).
Ezekiel 44:2 says that no man shall enter in by it, i.e. the prince who shall enter it, is God incarnate. Luke 1:78 says:,, Through the tender mercy of our God; whereby the dayspring from on high hath visited us,“ (KJV). The dayspring from on high which refers to Christ, is a reference to the east that the outward gate of the sanctuary is looking toward (Ezekiel 44:1-3). Luke 1:78 in relation with Ezekiel 44:1-3 also refers to the divinity of Christ because as no man shall enter that gate, the prince that shall sit in it is not a mere man, i.e. He is God Incarnate.
St.Epiphanius of Salamis (320-403) says in the Panarion the following about the brothers and sisters of Jesus:,,8.1.Joseph begot James when he was somewhere around forty years old. After him he had a son named Joses-then Simeon after him, then Judah, and two daughters, one named Mary and one, Salome; and his wife died. And many years later, as a widower of over eighty, he took Mary…“ (p.640, The Panarion of Epiphanius of Salamis, Books II and III. De Fide, Second revised edition, Translated by Frank Williams).
Catholic and Orthodox are goated ✝️❤️☦️
Roman Catholics are cringe
I’m protestant and we all have together fight for the kingdom of Christ as brothers and sisters 🙏🏼🙏🏼✝️
@@GodsMessageForYou-zb6ezsame brother
Catholics have alot of work to complete. Until then they should never mention themselves in the same breath/sentence as the orthodox.
@@RedHorseman66the very sun of pride is manifested in this sentence . Won’t you just be less of a divider ?
As a protestant theology student, I would add that we don't remove the church tradition from our study of the Bible. It's very important to examine how the early church viewed the gospels and NT letters. It's also important to follow through history and acknowledge what the church has held as belief throughout its existence. All of this should then be examined through the lens of scripture since man is fallible and the Bible is infallible. So church history and tradition are important when considering the implications of the scripture, but you aren't going to just take a spiritual leaders words as truth unless you first hold them up to the standard of the Bible.
Come to the Orthodox Church ☦️
And our church leaders have been studying and debating the Bible for a long time to make absolutely sure that is in line with the Lord's will. Much, much longer than your particular denomination has been around. Your original leaders were orthodox, don't forget that.
@yucatansuckaman5726 the "original" leaders created a Latin Bible from a Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek Bible. Named it the official translation and forced everyone to take their doctrine from a preacher chosen by a group of ppl in a different country and unable to study for themselves. Not exactly the picture of the early church. I study the NT letters to get my foundation for the local church body. Not a group of religious/secular leaders whose role became political and was intermingled with many different interests.
@@MaximusAugustusOrthodoxwhy, to come to orthodox? To purposely go the wrong way?
@@yucatansuckaman5726the orthodox or the Catholics don't stand for or represent the apostles or the early church. Chaotic deviations have emerged which makes the orthodox/catholic Church not even christian.
I'm trying to get into Orthodoxy. But I am confused, what do I do to become an official member, what steps do I go through?
I like this guy he is very knowledgeable
When we venerate saints, I think of it more out of respect, as they were able to have such a strong relationship with God that some were even given the ability to perform miracles in His name.
Except that fellow here is wrong that saint and icon veneration during worship are not as ancient as he says.
@@erc9468go in Athens Byzantine museum.
They are good people and we should think of them with admiration for their good deeds and godly lives, but they have no power in heaven. And praying to them is not God's will. We can pray to God and say things like
"Lord help me to live a blessed and holy life like Paul or John" but praying TO them is very different, and is in violation of God's will
@@t.n.1116no one prays to them asking them to pray for you is different
@@inrmdsthey are dead, trying to speak to someone in the spiritual world is praying. So many ask for the mother Mary to intercede on their behalf, which is straight heresy. This is why I just can’t be orthodox or catholic, I refuse to make the apostles and Mary idols. Don’t waste your breath hey cannot hear you nor intercede or pray for you anymore. Pray to the one who can, the Father.
Don't we Orthodox Christians also acknowledge the Bible to be infallible? Because it is
Yeah I think everyone agrees on that, american prots just never leave their echochamber and still think that they are the only ones who believe in biblical infallibility
@@telosbound how do they do that btw, I dont understand who decides Dogma in EO
@@awuriefnejqwjmnwn4960 pretty sure that when the Saints have a clear consensus on something, it becomes dogma.
@@awuriefnejqwjmnwn4960Church Fathers, Saints, Councils, how it was understood at all time in the Church..
@taylorrowe2002check out Derek prince
Protestant is for me Only follow God not men , amen
So you have no pastor or mentors? You never listen to any sermons?
You prots removed parts of the bible. 😂 you dimwits have no stance to talk about it. Heathens
@@cajunguy6502 pastors came from protestants and we follow the Bible only doesn't mean Men can't preach or give sermons unlike orthodox and Catholic they only Believe in certain men are able to do so
@@nielascension958 Orthodox and Catholics believe anyone can speak. They don't would open their platform to an unvetted rando off the street. You say protestants only teach the bible, but shun the process that catholics and Orthodox use to ensure that those who preach accurately read it.
@@cajunguy6502You just love making up stuff with ridiculous strawman arguments, don't ya?
Amen
Thankyou for sharing your knowledge...
as a someone from Orthodox Christian country, our Patriarch is former KGB, and all of the high ranking Church authorities are extremely well off.
You haven't been to the Vatican, have you?
Where u from brother?
@@abelleba6601Georgia
Or the air conditioned doghouses of millionaire televangelists, or that happy church in Greenway Plaza
I would have thought that the communist party would take issue with a member of the clergy taking part in their intelligence agencies
Why does Protestantism place its trust on a Catholic book, the Bible?
I’d trust the Bible any-day over organized religion. People become corrupt, but the word never does. I have nothing against orthodoxy, but to put tradition over the word is exactly why Jesus was angry at the Pharisees.
@@LongAndWrong Jesus said the church wouldn’t defect
That question does not make any sense
@@lad6524 the bible was formed by the united church
@@uchennanwogu2142 yea but his question dont make sense tho
In Catholicism, the "interpretive authority" is the Magisterium of the Church. Does Orthodoxy have something comparable?
I'm a Pentecostal I believe in modern miracles and we were found from the Azusa street revival. A more modern example of miracles. Read the book it's amazing.
Bible was written inside the church.
So how it is more important than church?
Christ left us a Church, not a Bible. That Church then wrote down and compiled the Bible.
Catholics say the same, and yet Catholicism and Orthodoxy are different. Also each groups Bibles are slightly different
@@freeman8tor283 catholics changed church
@@baldwinthefourth4098There is no salvation without a church , Bible is a heart but it needs whole body and living blood to work , there is a lot of things what work only on a church, because there is an apostasy legacy what is very important in a live of true Christian , so we need a priest with an spiritual experience of the Holy Spirit.
Reading the bible, doing good things is good but, competing live with spiritual experience of praying as early Christians did - next level and step with a big difference in mind and heart.
@@freeman8tor283 No they're not. Both Catholics and Orthodox believe in the 73 book cannon. Only protestants use the heretical 66 book one.
Can anybody tell me what song this is? 😊
Exomologisthe (Εξομολογείσθε) which is Psalm 135/136
The “saints” are the body of Christ, Christians, the church. All Christians are considered saints. All Christians are saints-and at the same time are called to be saints. First Corinthians 1:2 states it clearly: “To the church of God in Corinth, to those sanctified in Christ Jesus and called to be holy…” The words “sanctified” and “holy” come from the same Greek root as the word that is commonly translated “saints.” Christians are saints by virtue of their connection with Jesus Christ. Christians are called to be saints, to increasingly allow their daily life to more closely match their position in Christ. This is the biblical description and calling of the saints.
@PowerLord83 Hello. Yes, all are called to holiness:,,But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation; 16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.'' (1 Peter 1:15-16). And all are sealled with the Holy Spirit:,,For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.'' (1 Corinthians 12:13). But only a member of the historical Church alvation is only in the historical Church whose successor nowadays is only the Holy Orthodox Church can potentially become a saint for salvation is only in that Church. I will explain what I mean.
The necessity of the sacerdom with apostolic succession is evident from the contradiction of the salvation through faith alone concept with Scripture. Of course, one is saved by faith. But the understanding of the salvation through faith contradicts Scripture regarding baptism to the least. It is important to be said that when it is said that the sins of the believers are remitted in baptism, that means neither that baptism is a substitution of or an addition to the Redemptive Sacrifice of Christ for our sins on the Cross, nor that baptism substitutes or adds to faith in Christ, but means that the redemption which was done once and for all on the Cross (,,In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;“ (Ephesians 1:7, KJV), becomes effective in baptism, in that the grace of the Holy Spirit (Who is the Spirit of grace (Hebrews 10:29)) the condition for Whose coming was Christ’s Sacrifice (John 7:37-39, KJV), works, operates in baptism and remits the sins of the believer; in other words Christ’s Sacrifice that was offered once and for all, becomes operative in the baptism for the remission of sins (Acts 2:38). And also that the sins of the believers are remitted in baptism, is also a matter of faith because it is belief that God is the One who remits the sins in baptism.
The baptism of the believers in the name of Jesus is a baptism of repentance for the remission of sins and a condition for the reception of the gift of the Holy Spirit:,,Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.“ (Acts 2:38, KJV). The Holy Spirit is received after the baptism in the name of Jesus:,,Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John: 15 Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost: 16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.) 17 Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.“ (Acts 8:14-17, KJV).
Although the reception of the Holy Spirit is also referred to as baptism of the Spirit:,,For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.“ (Acts 1:5), it is different from the baptism in the name of Jesus as is evident from Acts 8:14-17. Although the Holy Spirit is received after the baptism in the name of Jesus (Acts 2:38, 8:14-17), the reception of the Holy Spirit by the Gentile believers (Acts 10:44) before their baptism in water in the name of the Lord was an exception because it was a sign for the Jewish believers that the Gentiles are able to receive the Holy Spirit as well:,,And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.“ (Acts 10:45). After that occasion (Acts 10:43-48) the Holy Spirit was again received by believers after their baptism in the name of Jesus (Acts 19:1-6) like He was received before (Acts 2:38, 8:14-17).
Acts 22:16 say:,,And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.“ (Acts 22:16, KJV). The sins of the apostle were remitted in baptism, not after baptism because in Romans 6:3-7 he includes himself in the number of all who are buried with Christ in baptism into death:,,Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? 4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. 5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: 6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. 7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.“ (Romans 6:3-7, KJV). And both the burial with Christ and resurrection with Him which refer to the remission of sins, occur in baptism:,,In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: 12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risеn with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead. 13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;“ (Colossians 2:11-13, KJV). So the sins of the apostle were remitted in baptism (Acts 22:16).
The remission of sins in the baptism in the name of Jesus (Acts 2:38, 22:16) refers to all believers without exception. This is revealed in Acts 10:43-48:,,To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins. 44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. 45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. 46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter, 47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? 48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.“ (Acts 10:43-48, KJV).
The remission of sins through His Name of whomsoever who believes in Him (10:43) refers to the remission of sins in the baptism in His Name because immediately after the apostle told the Romans in the home of Cornelius that through His name whosoever believes in Him shall receive remission of sins (and the descent of the Holy Spirit while he was speaking these words), he commanded them to be baptized in water in the name of the Lord. That is also in relation with the reception of remission of sins by the Jewish believers in the baptism in the Name of Jesus (Acts 2:38). In other words, the remission of sins for all believers in Him, without exception, occurs in the baptism in His Name. Therefore the baptism for the remission of sins in His Name is necessary for salvation for all believers without exception.
That is affirmed by Ephesians 5:25-27 which refers to the cleansing by Christ of the whole Church, i.e. if all its members without exception, with the washing of water and the word: "Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; 26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word, 27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish." (Ephesians 5:25-27, KJV). In relation with Acts 10:43-48 and Acts 2:38, the cleansing with the washing of water by the word (Ephesians 5:26) because of which cleansing Christ might present the Church to Himself holy (5:26), refers to the remission of sins in the baptism in water and the word refers to the baptismal formula which is the Name of the Holy Trinity. And in relation with Acts 10:43-48 and Acts 2:38 and John 3:5, the cleansing refers to the whole Church (Ephesians 5:25), i.e. of all members without exception. Also it is clearly expressed that it is Christ Who cleanses the members of the Church, i.e. it is Him Who works in the baptism for the remission of sins.
Those believers who have not been baptized of water, are baptized with the so-called baptism of blood, with their martyrdom. Jesus calls martyrdom a baptism:,,But I have a baptism to be baptized with; and how am I straitened till it be accomplished!'' (Luke:12:50). The baptism of blood includes the thief on the cross as St.Cyprian says in his Letter 72.22.
In the Old Testament it is said:,,And the uncircumcised male child, who is not circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin on the eighth day, that soul shall be cut off from his people; for he has broken My covenant.” (Genesus 17:14, Orthodox Study Bible). That they will be cut off here refers to them being deprived of eternal salvation. But what is important is that the male infants who do not have faith and their parents have faith for them, are held responsible for breaking the covenant with God. So it is neither that all deceased infants are saved by default nor that all are unsaved by default. The case of the baptism of infants in the Church is analogical to the case of circumcision in the Old Testament. Also infants are able receive the Holy Spirit - St.John the Baptist received Him yet in his mother's womb (Luke 1:15).
As the sola fide is not true, the sola fide concept is not from the Holy Spirit because He is the Spirit of Truth (John 15:26) and where He is there cannot be false teachings. Therefore He is received not just when one has come to believe but after he has come to believe, through the prayer of the priesthood (which itself is a gift) of the Church like it was since the beginning (Acts 8:14-17, 19:5-6). Therefore the Holy Spirit and truth, hence the true doctrines, are only in the historical Church with its episcopacy with apostolic succession. And therefore, although all believers are holy and royal priesthood (1 Peter 2:5,9), there is a distinction between priesthood in the narrow sense - as a gift received through ordination and prayer, and the laymen. When I say ,,historical Church'', I mean only the Orthodox Church but that is a different topic.
It must be noted that if someone who is either a part of the Church (the Orthodox Church) or not part of it, is condemned, that would be first and foremost because of his evil works:,,And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.“ (John 5:29). But a condemnation of one who is a good person and is not a member of the Church, is different. (There is one exception when one who is a member and leaves the Church, thus falling into schism because the Body is one:,,There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;'' (Ephesians 4:4)). It is just that if one is a good person but is outside of the Church, he has not received the Holy Spirit because He is received through prayer of the priesthood with apsotolic succession like in the beginning, and not just when one comes to believe (Acts 8:14-17, 19:5-6). The good person who could die outside of the Church would not be tormented but still he would be eternally separated from God because of that.
Those who are venerated as saints by the Church have been glorified by God after their death with miracles due their intercession for us before God. This is possible because the Holy Spirit abides with them, even after they have passed away:,,And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.“ (John 14:16-17). That the saints intercede for us when we pray to them to do so and thus intercede for us, does not mean that they are omnipresent and omnipotent but that they can hear our prayers is due to the grace of the Holy Spirit because He abides with them forever. (John 14:16-17).
The deceased righteous people before the Second Coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and the final resurrection, are in a conscious state:,,By faith Sarah herself also received strength to conceive seed, and she bore a child a when she was past the age, because she judged Him faithful who had promised. 12 Therefore fromone man, and him as good as dead, were born as many as the stars of the sky in multitude - innumerable as the sand which is by the seashore. 13 *These* *all* *died* *in* *faith* , not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off were assured of them, a embraced them and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth. 14 For those who say such things declare plainly that they seek a homeland. 15 And truly if they had called to mind that country from which they had come out, they would have had opportunity to return. 16 *But* *now* *they* *desire* *a* *better* , *that* *is* , *a* *heavenly* *country* . Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for He has prepared a city for them.“ (Hebrews 11:11-16, Orthodox Study Bible). They died in faith but now they desire a better, heavenly country, i.e. they in a conscious state now. They desire a heavenly country not because they are not in heaven but because their bliss is not yet full as they are not yet resurrected in bodies.
They are holy according to their willful participation in God’s grace, their synergy with His grace in its sense of a divine uncreated energy. There is a distinction of uncreated essence of God and uncreated energy of God. Nobody had seen God according to God’s essence but only saw Him in the way He appeared according to His uncreated divine energies. That is why the apostle John says:,,No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.“ (John 1:18); ,,No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.“ (1 John 4:12), and Jesus says:,,Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.“ (John 6:46). He referred to Himself as the only one Who has seen Him:,,And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.“ (John 5:37).
Those holy men who had seen God, had not seen Him by His essence. Jesus is the only one Who has seen the Father by essence because He is of the same essence with the Father. There is a distinction of uncreated essence and uncreated divine energies of God. It is said:,,According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue: 4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.“ (2 Peter 1:4); the meaning is becoming partakers of the uncreated divine energy, not the essence.
,,For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, 5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, 6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.“ (Hebrews 6:4-6, KJV). The powers of the world to come are the uncreated divine energies of God. The uncreated energy of God is referred to also in plural because its operation (energia in Greek) are different:,,And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all." (1 Corinthians 12:6).
The participation of the uncreated energy of God is what the participation of His holiness refers to:,,For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness. 11 Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby. 12 Wherefore lift up the hands which hang down, and the feeble knees; 13 And make straight paths for your feet, lest that which is lame be turned out of the way; but let it rather be healed. 14 Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:“ (Hebrews 12:10-14).
The sanctification is of the Holy Spirit Who is the Spirit of grace (Hebrews 10:29):,,Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.“ (2 Peter 1:2); ,,But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:“ (2 Thessalonians 2:13).
The sanctification is a process because the believers grow in grace:,,But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.“ (2 Peter 3:18, KJV). Also it is said that:,,Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.“ (1 Timothy 2:15, KJV).
God’s grace in its sense of an uncreated energy, power is seen, for example, in its prevenient action - the so called prevenient grace which is that work of God’s grace that calls man to believe in God and precedes his free will’s consent to the calling:,,No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.“ (John 6:44); ,,And when he was disposed to pass into Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him: who, when he was come, helped them much which had believed through grace:“ (Acts 18:27); ,,Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,“ (2 Timothy 1:9); ,,But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace,'' (Galatians 1:15).
Another point of contradiction of the sola fide with Scripture which is the misunderstanding of the good works of a believer as necessary for salvation. This is related to misunderstanding of God's grace in its sense of an uncreated energy of God. Of course, one is saved by faith. But the sola fide concept which rejects the necessity of the works of faith for our justification and salvation, and rejects the necessity of the historical Church for salvation, has a view on those works which is contrary to Scripture. It is because it considers the teaching that those works are necessary for salvation, to imply that they are our works which are an addition to what Christ did on the Cross - like we are saved by faith plus something else in addition, wherefore that concept rejects them as necessary for salvation.
That rejection would be correct if those works were ours. But they are not ours because they are done in synergy with God's grace:"But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me." (1 Corinthians 15:10, KJV). And they are impossible to do them without God's grace:"I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing." (John 15:5, KJV). Therefore the works of faith are not only ours but they are God's works which He does through us, of course not without the consent of our free will. So they are not an addition to what Christ did but are His works, fruits of His Sacrifice because His Sacrifice was a condition for the coming of the Holy Spirit (John 7:39) though Whose grace the works if faith are done.
They are not solely ours but in the sense that, although they are impossible to do without God’s grace, our free will is respected and although God’s calling to us to do them precedes our decision to do them (Philippians 2:12-13), man’s free will is not violated and the works are done with the consent of our free will because if they were done against our free will, we would not be judged by our works as we will be (John 5:25-29) but would be judged only according to our faith (John 3:18).
The fruits (John 15:1-5) are the good works (Colossians 1:10). It is these works of faith that are Christ’s merits (15:5) and that are impossible to do without the synergism with the grace of God (1 Cor.15:10 in relation with John 15:5), wherefore they are gifts of God, that are considered necessary for justification:,,Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.“ (James 2:24, KJV), and are referred to in John 15:2:,,Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.“ (KJV) and in James 4:17:,,Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.“ (KJV), and in Matthew 7:21:,,Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.“. It is God Who saves and justifies us through the works because they are done in synergism with God’s grace and impossible to do without it. The rejection of those works of faith is a rejection that it is God Who justifies and saves us and is a rejection of His grace working in us to do the works of faith. James 4:17 in relation with John 15:2 clearly shows that not only evil deeds lead to damnation but even without evil deeds, the omission of doing good works of faith leads to damnation.
The works that are not necessary for salvation are the works of the law (Galatians 2:21, 5:4, Romans 3:28). It is said to the Gentiles that the grace and faith are gifts of God and not of works:,,For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.“ (Ephesians 2:8-10, KJV). The expression ,,Not of works“ (Ephesians 2:9) means that the gift is given without being preconditioned by works done by the believer before coming to believe. This is clearly expressed in Titus 3:4-7:,,But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared, 5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; 6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour; 7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.“ (KJV).
At the time some of the Jewish believers boasted that they had the law and saw that as an advantage before the Gentiles who did not have the law:,,Thou that makest thy boast of the law, through breaking the law dishonourest thou God?“ (Romans 2:23, KJV). That is why some of the Judaizers insisted that the Gentiles accept the Mosaic law because they thought that that was a condition for the acceptance of grace and for salvation. But that insistence was rejected by the Apostolic Council in Jerusalem (c.50) (Acts 15). The apostle says numerous times that the grace is given freely to all believers and regardless of whether the believer has had and kept the law or is a Gentile believer who has not had the law. The Gentile believers receive the gift without having the law first.
It is said by the apostle that it is the works of the law that are not necessary for salvation:,,Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.“ (Romans 3:28, KJV). That is why those who still relied on the law for salvation, fell from grace:,,I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.“ (Galatians 2:21, KJV). Also Ephesians 2:9 does not reject the synergistic works of faith as necessary for salvation because if they were rejected, that would mean that they are entirely ours and not Christ’s which would contradict John 15:5 saying that without Him we can do nothing, wherefore all works of faith are Christ’s and are done in synergism (John 15:5 in relation with 1 Corinthians 15:10).
As the sola fide understading of the works of faith is wrong because of its understanding of the works of faith, the sola fide concept is not from the Holy Spirit because He is the Spirit of Truth (John 15:26) and where He is there cannot be false teachings. Therefore He is received not just when one has come to believe but after he has come to believe, through the prayer of the priesthood of the Church like it was since the beginning:"Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John: 15 Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost: 16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.) 17 Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost." (Acts 8:14-17, KJV).
@@Yasen.Dobrev best argument I have heard yet!
@@sonjiachilds Thank you. 🙏 🙂
So how is orthodoxy any different then legalistic Judaism?
I'm a "Jesus, the Bible and me" Christian. For me it works.
Well which came first, the Church or the Bible?
What did Jesus leave us with when he ascended into heaven, the Church or the Bible?
You don't mean "the biblical case against Protestantism" you mean "the Orthodox church tradition case against Protestantism." Based on the first example you provided.
Orthodoxy is what the Church taught until the 11th century. No one taught Protestantism until the 16th century
@@uchennanwogu2142 If you are worried about time length then you do know Judaism was taught even before Christ was born. You should be more worried about following their traditions. The Word of God over human tradition is the point. That is what Christ teaches, that is what Martin Luther stood for, and that is what Protestantism is supposed to stand for as well. (Granted that some denominations are failing to follow the word of God these days.) Orthodoxy and the Catholics are no different than the Pharisees, / Sadducees that Christ had to deal with. "...Thus you nullify the word of God for the sake of your tradition." -(Jesus Christ in Matthew 15:6, and Mark 7:13).
@@cobeleland Martin Luther didn't plan to start a new denomination, he simply want to re-correct on the wrong teaching of the church leaders, even way before Martin Luther, there were some Catholics had tried to reform the church. The outcome of Martin Luther incident has caused political war across Europe and causing million of people died. Even after Reformation, Lutheran and Calvinist were disagreeing with each other lol
@@cobeleland Following Judaism would disregard everything Jesus taught. He didn't establish the Jewish synagogue, He established the Church.
There was only One Church, the Orthodox Church, until the Catholics broke away because they wanted to raise up a man to be the Pope.
Just offering some historical context that might help you rethink your comment.
@@lighthousephotographybandera The historical context has little to to with the point I have been making, Therefore does not require rethinking.
The protestants bow to the authority of the papacy by accepting their change of the Saturday Sabbath to the sunday Sabbath.
We worship on Sunday because the Bible records believers gathering on the day Christ rose.
@@coolbreeze6532 Acts 2 v 46 says they gathered to break bread DAILY going from house to house and meeting in the Temple. So meeting on sunday wasn't that special.
@@gordo191 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.
Acts 20:7, 9 KJV
The Protestant Reformation came about BY the Scriptures. You won't be able to refute it using the very scriptures which set up the sainthood and priesthood of all believers, put forth the concept of being born again in order to enter the Kingdom, and trusting Christ's once-for-all sacrifice for sin.
@sketchbook1 Hello. It is possible to refute it with Scriptures. The necessity of the sacerdom with apostolic succession is evident from the contradiction of the salvation through faith alone concept with Scripture. Of course, one is saved by faith. But the understanding of the salvation through faith contradicts Scripture regarding baptism to the least. It is important to be said that when it is said that the sins of the believers are remitted in baptism, that means neither that baptism is a substitution of or an addition to the Redemptive Sacrifice of Christ for our sins on the Cross, nor that baptism substitutes or adds to faith in Christ, but means that the redemption which was done once and for all on the Cross (,,In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;“ (Ephesians 1:7, KJV), becomes effective in baptism, in that the grace of the Holy Spirit (Who is the Spirit of grace (Hebrews 10:29)) the condition for Whose coming was Christ’s Sacrifice (John 7:37-39, KJV), works, operates in baptism and remits the sins of the believer; in other words Christ’s Sacrifice that was offered once and for all, becomes operative in the baptism for the remission of sins (Acts 2:38). And also that the sins of the believers are remitted in baptism, is also a matter of faith because it is belief that God is the One who remits the sins in baptism.
The baptism of the believers in the name of Jesus is a baptism of repentance for the remission of sins and a condition for the reception of the gift of the Holy Spirit:,,Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.“ (Acts 2:38, KJV). The Holy Spirit is received after the baptism in the name of Jesus:,,Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John: 15 Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost: 16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.) 17 Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.“ (Acts 8:14-17, KJV).
Although the reception of the Holy Spirit is also referred to as baptism of the Spirit:,,For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.“ (Acts 1:5), it is different from the baptism in the name of Jesus as is evident from Acts 8:14-17. Although the Holy Spirit is received after the baptism in the name of Jesus (Acts 2:38, 8:14-17), the reception of the Holy Spirit by the Gentile believers (Acts 10:44) before their baptism in water in the name of the Lord was an exception because it was a sign for the Jewish believers that the Gentiles are able to receive the Holy Spirit as well:,,And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.“ (Acts 10:45). After that occasion (Acts 10:43-48) the Holy Spirit was again received by believers after their baptism in the name of Jesus (Acts 19:1-6) like He was received before (Acts 2:38, 8:14-17).
Acts 22:16 say:,,And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.“ (Acts 22:16, KJV). The sins of the apostle were remitted in baptism, not after baptism because in Romans 6:3-7 he includes himself in the number of all who are buried with Christ in baptism into death:,,Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? 4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. 5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: 6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. 7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.“ (Romans 6:3-7, KJV). And both the burial with Christ and resurrection with Him which refer to the remission of sins, occur in baptism:,,In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: 12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risеn with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead. 13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;“ (Colossians 2:11-13, KJV). So the sins of the apostle were remitted in baptism (Acts 22:16).
The remission of sins in the baptism in the name of Jesus (Acts 2:38, 22:16) refers to all believers without exception. This is revealed in Acts 10:43-48:,,To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins. 44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. 45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. 46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter, 47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? 48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.“ (Acts 10:43-48, KJV).
The remission of sins through His Name of whomsoever who believes in Him (10:43) refers to the remission of sins in the baptism in His Name because immediately after the apostle told the Romans in the home of Cornelius that through His name whosoever believes in Him shall receive remission of sins (and the descent of the Holy Spirit while he was speaking these words), he commanded them to be baptized in water in the name of the Lord. That is also in relation with the reception of remission of sins by the Jewish believers in the baptism in the Name of Jesus (Acts 2:38). In other words, the remission of sins for all believers in Him, without exception, occurs in the baptism in His Name. Therefore the baptism for the remission of sins in His Name is necessary for salvation for all believers without exception.
That is affirmed by Ephesians 5:25-27 which refers to the cleansing by Christ of the whole Church, i.e. if all its members without exception, with the washing of water and the word: "Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; 26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word, 27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish." (Ephesians 5:25-27, KJV). In relation with Acts 10:43-48 and Acts 2:38, the cleansing with the washing of water by the word (Ephesians 5:26) because of which cleansing Christ might present the Church to Himself holy (5:26), refers to the remission of sins in the baptism in water and the word refers to the baptismal formula which is the Name of the Holy Trinity. And in relation with Acts 10:43-48 and Acts 2:38 and John 3:5, the cleansing refers to the whole Church (Ephesians 5:25), i.e. of all members without exception. Also it is clearly expressed that it is Christ Who cleanses the members of the Church, i.e. it is Him Who works in the baptism for the remission of sins.
Those believers who have not been baptized of water, are baptized with the so-called baptism of blood, with their martyrdom. Jesus calls martyrdom a baptism:,,But I have a baptism to be baptized with; and how am I straitened till it be accomplished!'' (Luke:12:50). The baptism of blood includes the thief on the cross as St.Cyprian says in his Letter 72.22.
In the Old Testament it is said:,,And the uncircumcised male child, who is not circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin on the eighth day, that soul shall be cut off from his people; for he has broken My covenant.” (Genesus 17:14, Orthodox Study Bible). That they will be cut off here refers to them being deprived of eternal salvation. But what is important is that the male infants who do not have faith and their parents have faith for them, are held responsible for breaking the covenant with God. So it is neither that all deceased infants are saved by default nor that all are unsaved by default. The case of the baptism of infants in the Church is analogical to the case of circumcision in the Old Testament. Also infants are able receive the Holy Spirit - St.John the Baptist received Him yet in his mother's womb (Luke 1:15).
As the sola fide is not true, the sola fide concept is not from the Holy Spirit because He is the Spirit of Truth (John 15:26) and where He is there cannot be false teachings. Therefore He is received not just when one has come to believe but after he has come to believe, through the prayer of the priesthood (which itself is a gift) of the Church like it was since the beginning (Acts 8:14-17, 19:5-6). Therefore the Holy Spirit and truth, hence the true doctrines, are only in the historical Church with its episcopacy with apostolic succession. And therefore, although all believers are holy and royal priesthood (1 Peter 2:5,9), there is a distinction between priesthood in the narrow sense - as a gift received through ordination and prayer, and the laymen. When I say ,,historical Church'', I mean only the Orthodox Church but that is a different topic.
Another point of contradiction of the sola fide with Scripture is the misunderstanding of the good works of a believer as necessary for salvation. This is related to a misunderstanding of God's grace in its sense of an uncreated energy of God. In God there are distinct the uncreated divine essence and the uncreated divine energy. Jesus says:,,Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.“ (John 6:46). He referred to Himself as the only one Who has seen Him:,,And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.“ (John 5:37). This is that by divinity Jesus of the same essence with the Father. Although God had apparead to holy men, they had seen Him only according His uncreated energy in the way it had appeared to them. The theosis (becoming like God by grace) is through a participation of God's energy:,,According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue: 4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.“ (2 Peter 1:4); the meaning is becoming partakers of the uncreated divine energy, not the essence. The essence is unattainable to men.
,,For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, 5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, 6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.“ (Hebrews 6:4-6, KJV). The powers of the world to come are the uncreated divine energies of God. The uncreated energy of God is referred to also in plural because its operations (energia in Greek) are different:,,And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all." (1 Corinthians 12:6).
Of course, one is saved by faith. But the sola fide concept which rejects the necessity of the works of faith for our justification and salvation, and rejects the necessity of the historical Church for salvation, has a view on those works which is contrary to Scripture. It is because it considers the teaching that those works are necessary for salvation, to imply that they are our works which are an addition to what Christ did on the Cross - like we are saved by faith plus something else in addition, wherefore that concept rejects them as necessary for salvation.
That rejection would be correct if those works were ours. But they are not ours because they are done in synergy with God's grace:"But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me." (1 Corinthians 15:10, KJV). And they are impossible to do them without God's grace:"I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing." (John 15:5, KJV). Therefore the works of faith are not only ours but they are God's works which He does through us, of course not without the consent of our free will. So they are not an addition to what Christ did but are His works, fruits of His Sacrifice because His Sacrifice was a condition for the coming of the Holy Spirit (John 7:39) though Whose grace the works if faith are done.
They are not solely ours but in the sense that, although they are impossible to do without God’s grace, our free will is respected and although God’s calling to us to do them precedes our decision to do them (Philippians 2:12-13), man’s free will is not violated and the works are done with the consent of our free will because if they were done against our free will, we would not be judged by our works as we will be (John 5:25-29) but would be judged only according to our faith (John 3:18).
The fruits (John 15:1-5) are the good works (Colossians 1:10). It is these works of faith that are Christ’s merits (15:5) and that are impossible to do without the synergism with the grace of God (1 Cor.15:10 in relation with John 15:5), wherefore they are gifts of God, that are considered necessary for justification:,,Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.“ (James 2:24, KJV), and are referred to in John 15:2:,,Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.“ (KJV) and in James 4:17:,,Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.“ (KJV), and in Matthew 7:21:,,Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.“. It is God Who saves and justifies us through the works because they are done in synergism with God’s grace and impossible to do without it. The rejection of those works of faith is a rejection that it is God Who justifies and saves us and is a rejection of His grace working in us to do the works of faith. James 4:17 in relation with John 15:2 clearly shows that not only evil deeds lead to damnation but even without evil deeds, the omission of doing good works of faith leads to damnation.
The works that are not necessary for salvation are the works of the law (Galatians 2:21, 5:4, Romans 3:28). It is said to the Gentiles that the grace and faith are gifts of God and not of works:,,For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.“ (Ephesians 2:8-10, KJV). The expression ,,Not of works“ (Ephesians 2:9) means that the gift is given without being preconditioned by works done by the believer before coming to believe. This is clearly expressed in Titus 3:4-7:,,But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared, 5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; 6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour; 7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.“ (KJV).
At the time some of the Jewish believers boasted that they had the law and saw that as an advantage before the Gentiles who did not have the law:,,Thou that makest thy boast of the law, through breaking the law dishonourest thou God?“ (Romans 2:23, KJV). That is why some of the Judaizers insisted that the Gentiles accept the Mosaic law because they thought that that was a condition for the acceptance of grace and for salvation. But that insistence was rejected by the Apostolic Council in Jerusalem (c.50) (Acts 15). The apostle says numerous times that the grace is given freely to all believers and regardless of whether the believer has had and kept the law or is a Gentile believer who has not had the law. The Gentile believers receive the gift without having the law first.
It is said by the apostle that it is the works of the law that are not necessary for salvation:,,Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.“ (Romans 3:28, KJV). That is why those who still relied on the law for salvation, fell from grace:,,I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.“ (Galatians 2:21, KJV). Also Ephesians 2:9 does not reject the synergistic works of faith as necessary for salvation because if they were rejected, that would mean that they are entirely ours and not Christ’s which would contradict John 15:5 saying that without Him we can do nothing, wherefore all works of faith are Christ’s and are done in synergism (John 15:5 in relation with 1 Corinthians 15:10).
As the sola fide understading of the works of faith is wrong because of its understanding of the works of faith, the sola fide concept is not from the Holy Spirit because He is the Spirit of Truth (John 15:26) and where He is there cannot be false teachings. Therefore He is received not just when one has come to believe but after he has come to believe, through the prayer of the priesthood of the Church like it was since the beginning:"Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John: 15 Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost: 16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.) 17 Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost." (Acts 8:14-17, KJV).
@@Yasen.Dobrev It's impossible for me to reply fully to all your points. ALMOST TLDR!
Participating in the Divine nature is not a requirement, but an outflow and result, of salvation.
"The Work of God is this-- to believe on the One He has sent."
All believers are priests.
We all are under Jesus our High Priest.
@@sketchbook1 Thank you for the reply. You said:,,It's impossible for me to reply fully to all your points. But I did not require you to reply or given you a term to reply. You are free to reply when you are able to do or not to reply. I only expressed my points.
,,Participating in the Divine nature is not a requirement, but an outflow and result, of salvation.''
Without the participation of God's holiness which the participation of His divine nature refers to (actually the participation is of His uncreated energy, not of HIs essence) is necessary for salvation:
,,For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, *that* *we* *might* *be* *partakers* *of* *his* *holiness* . 11 Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby. 12 Wherefore lift up the hands which hang down, and the feeble knees; 13 And make straight paths for your feet, lest that which is lame be turned out of the way; but let it rather be healed. 14 *Follow* *peace* *with* *all* *men* , *and* *holiness* , *without* *which* *no* *man* *shall* *see* *the* *Lord* :'' (Hebrews 12:10-14, KJV); ,,And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. 15 Notwithstanding *she* *shall* *be* *saved* *in* *childbearing* , *if* *they* *continue* *in* *faith* *and* *charity* *and* *holiness* *with* *sobriety* .'' (1 Timothy 2:15, KJV). So sanctification is a process and is not complete once one has come to believe. This is referred to in 2 Peter 3:18:,,But *grow* *in* *grace* , and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.'' (KJV). So salvation is not complete once one has come to believe.
Yes, salvation is through faith. And all believers are priests as all serve Him. But the falsehood of the Protestant understanding of salvation through faith proves the necessity of the gift of the episcopacy and priesthood (in the narrow sense) with apostolic succession of the historical Church for the reception of the Holy Spirit by the believers because where He is, there are not false teachings. Therefore the Holy Spirit is received by all believers like it was in beginning:,,Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John: 15 Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost: 16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.) 17 Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost." (Acts 8:14-17, KJV). By ,,historical Church'' I mean the Orthodox Church as the successor of the apostolic Church but that is a different topic.
All believers are members of the royal priesthood but there is a priesthood in the narrow sense because St.Peter says:,, *The* *elders* *which* *are* *among* *you* *I* *exhort* , *who* *am* *also* *an* *elder* , and a witness of the sufferings of Christ, and also a partaker of the glory that shall be revealed: 2 Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof , not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind; 3 Neither as being lords over God's heritage, but being ensamples to the flock. 4 And when the chief Shepherd shall appear, ye shall receive a crown of glory that fadeth not away. 5 Likewise, ye younger, submit yourselves unto the elder. Yea, all of you be subject one to another, and be clothed with humility: for God resisteth the proud, and giveth grace to the humble.'' (1 Peter 5:1-5). He says ,,the elders which are among you'', i.e. not all are elders.
Elder is the literal meaning of ,,presbyteros'' (presbyter) which gave the English ,,priest''. Here ,,elder'' and ,,overseer'' are used interchangeably as St.Peter tells his fellow elders to take the oversight willingly. ,,Oversight'' is the literal translation of ,,bishoprick, episcopacy, bishoprick'' and ,,overseer'' is the translation of a ,,bishop''. They are used interchangeably also in Acts 20:17-28.
where is bible alone in the bible itself?
Mark 7:7-9 (AMP) 7 ‘THEY WORSHIP ME IN VAIN [their worship is meaningless and worthless, a pretense], TEACHING THE PRECEPTS OF MEN AS DOCTRINES [giving their traditions equal weight with the Scriptures].’ 8 “You disregard and neglect the commandment of God, and cling [faithfully] to the tradition of men.” 9 He was also saying to them, “You are experts at setting aside and nullifying the commandment of God in order to keep your [man-made] tradition and regulations.
Ecclesiastes 1:9
9 What has been will be again,
what has been done will be done again;
there is nothing new under the sun. 🤷♀️
Orthodoxy is based
You forgot to mention that one came 2000 years ago, founded by jesus upon his apostles. The other came 1517 years later by a rebellious German priest.
more like a priest. he wasnt a bishop.
@@angelvalentinmojica6967 That's right, thanks I'll change it
Theres no evidence the apostles ware ortodoks
@@vikingdrengenspiders7875 Jesus founded his church upon his Apostles, and It's a known fact that they were the first members of the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church (which eventually seperated into what we call today as the Orthodox and Catholic Churches).
Since it's been documented for 2000 years, every priest and bishop in the Orthodox churches and Catholic churches can trace back every bishop that ordained them all the way up until the Apostles, this is what's known as Apostolic succession (something the Protestant church lacks as they're man-made). I'm curious though, what church did you think they were part of, since that was literally the only official church that ever existed in the first few centuries 🤔?
Christians follow Christ who, by the way, never said mass nor did the apostles. Likewise the apostles never claimed they could turn bread into Christ of claimed we had to eat Christ as they knew Christ was speaking a parable and a Jewish metaphor.
We are saved by grace for believing in Christ, not eating Him.
Jesus held masses with the apostles
@@uchennanwogu2142You know that's not true as nowhere in the word of God does Christ say mass with the apostles.
Orthodox the real way with Jesus bec. They carry out a word of God like they do not make sex as Jesus says and I hope all christians will be united with Jesus as orthodox and I hope all christians wil be orthodox ✝️
We are going to stop hoping and we are going to start praying that we all unite under Christ Jesus ❤️✝️
@@user19372 we are gonna share Christianity for Christians first then share Christianity for other people 😔
I agree because a lot of people (including me) might read or out of context and get the wrong idea. I think we should be able to own a Bible but understanding what it says through the interpretation of Church Fathers would be helpful.
I'm asking kindly because I'm new to Christianity. Why do you hold on more into traditions, laws, doctrines than the word of God itself? Jesus rebuked the pharisees and church leaders of his time doing the same thing? Why have you become the very same Jews who criticized Jesus for going directly to the people than follow strict rules?
the reason Jesus rebuked the pharisees was because they lost the meaning of the law and only follow the law but not God
hopes that helps you God bless 🙏
They wanna look cool that's why.
@@applepie479 May I also ask how are you so confident that these new "law makers" were not the same imperfect humans? Did they live a different life than us? Were they predestined to be carpenters of the "true" church? Sorry, I just can't pathom the thought of having a group of "holy" people creating laws and doctrines while the same people criticize protestants for trying to do the same.
Well can you give us an example of the Orthodox churches using traditions, laws, and doctrines that are in direct violation of the bible?
Jesus didn't rebuke the pharisees for following tradition, HE followed tradition himself as well. He rebuked them for hypocrisy, greed, corruption, and leading a lavish lifestyle while people suffered, but NOT for following tradition.
@@cajunguy6502 saints, worship of images, worship of Mary.
I know you'll response "we don't worship saints/Mary" but you put these people almost up to the level of Gods.
Name of the chant
Psalm 135
@@paulusillyriusiudathaddaio2530by who?
@@markhill3285 orthodox monks, the video on yt has about 8 minutes
This is why I’m proud of being an Orthodox Christian. ☦️🙏
I am going too Catholic Church and i respect both of these Religions and i hope they can stay strong in this tough world.
Wouldn’t it make the Lord happy if we all came together and put our differences aside and unite
Check out the Biblical case against Protestantism which follows Scripture alone, by a sect that blends the Bible with contradictory and idolatrous church traditions.
Makes total sense.
The protestants removed books of the bible so their ideology would match scriptures, so no, they don't follow they bible, they follow less than the bible
There is a swell of anti Protestant rhetoric now.
We need be stay strong against this.
No man can tell me how to worship Christ.
Christ gave his authority to the church through Peter, so you are wrong. What does the bible say to do when someone speaks heresy? Bring backup, then ultimately take them to the church.
@@timnicolas1987so Muslims dreaming of Jesus and rejecting Islam, accepting Christ and reading the Bible aren't part of the church because they're not in the institution?
Except Christ the King has and does my friend
@@spinninginspaceChrist is not just a man, he is the son of the father, he is god.
@@luigimrlgaming9484 amen. And He will lead his church until the end of the age
Very beautifully put
@taylorrowe2002
Emotionalism based on modernisation is the web the devil has cocooned the world in. You can not serve two masters.
The ancient ways is the Holy medicine.
Simplicity over materialism.
Struggle over comfort.
Humbleness over egotism.
The way of God over the way of ourselves ☦️
“Do not trust in noblemen, In mortal man, in whom there is no salvation.”
Psalms 146:3
Acts 4:12 - “And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”
John 14:6 - “Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the father but though Me.”
Hello, I have a question, can Christians still go to hell, I am new to Christianity from Islam and we learned that Muslims can still go to hell if they do bad deeds, what about in Christianity, because I hear you guys ask for forgiveness but also Jesus died for y’alls sins so how does that work? Please answer whenever you can, thank you! 😊
Church tradition doesnt top the word of God in the Bible.
What do you think came first, the Church or the Scripture? They both go hand in hand together and cannot be separated.
Church tradition helps us understand the word of god. The holy spirit guides the church.
@@su1t0n11only if the Church corractly inteprets
@@vikingdrengenspiders7875 so you say that the holy spirit can just forget yo guide the church?
@@su1t0n11 no
My main problem with Catholicism and Orthodoxy is that they place emphasis that an institution made up of fallible humans has authority to create dogma for all Christians. We’ve seen this be abused in the past, that’s literally why Protestantism exists from the corruption of the Catholic Church. Papal infallibility is even worse for me as it’s essentially granting one man the authority over the word of god, which never made sense to me.
I wasn’t raised Christian, and I had plenty of atheistic beliefs in my youth before I realized the truth. But one thing that’s never changed is my distrust of human institutions to interpret the will of God for others since they can’t possibly know it themselves without lying.
Your distrust of human institution shows how you belittle your own self and ignore how God can make of a person his temple .
@@yvannaa.1102 Excuse me for looking at how human institutions have done the most harm to the world there has ever been.
Main difference that started was Luthers list arguing the selling of indulgences of the time. He believed the Church became to corrupt in the 15th century.
He wasn't wrong.
Yes, Luther's first intent was to reform the Catholic church, not form Protestantism.
Orthodox didn't sell indulgences, Roman Catholics did.
Orthodox are not Roman Catholics
True Luther initially wanted to reform the Catholic Church but then saw it was kind of too far gone to be reformed. Personally I’m not orthodox or Catholic as they rely far too much on the traditions of man as opposed to scripture. It I think all three branches of the faith need to remember at the end of the day we are followers of Christ.
That’s why religion doesn’t save anyone. No person place or thing can take us to heaven except Jesus Christ and being baptized in HIS Holy Spirit. Carry out a relationship with Christ and a repentant heart with reverence and humility and you will be saved. Check out John chapter 1,3,14 and 1Corinthians 15, Romans 10:9-12
Not just Orthodox but Catholism as well
Soon as I heard veneration of saints, I knew I didn’t like it. None of the saints see themselves as worthy of praise, I guarantee you. They were all humble. They deserve their crowns in heaven. But I guarantee all of them see themselves as the lowest of the low.
Veneration is honoring the Saints: their commitment to Christ and a life fully dedicated to God. Additionally, and perhaps most importantly, it’s about honoring the work of Christ in their lives since they would be nothing without Him. The life each lead sets an example of a life fully lived for Christ. It’s humbling and encouraging to learn of a saints life as each demonstrates the life of love, repentance, humility, and obedience we ought to strive for.
@beastlycrawdad6412 Hello. It is important to be said that It must be added that the deceased righteous people before the Second Coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and the final resurrection, are in a conscious state:,,By faith Sarah herself also received strength to conceive seed, and she bore a child a when she was past the age, because she judged Him faithful who had promised. 12 Therefore from one man, and him as good as dead, were born as many as the stars of the sky in multitude - innumerable as the sand which is by the seashore. 13 *These* *all* *died* *in* *faith* , not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off were assured of them, a embraced them and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth. 14 For those who say such things declare plainly that they seek a homeland. 15 And truly if they had called to mind that country from which they had come out, they would have had opportunity to return. 16 *But* *now* *they* *desire* *a* *better* , *that* *is* , *a* *heavenly* *country* . Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for He has prepared a city for them.“ (Hebrews 11:11-16, Orthodox Study Bible). They died in faith but now they desire a better, heavenly country, i.e. they in a conscious state now. They desire a heavenly country not because they are not in heaven but because their bliss is not yet full as they are not yet resurrected in bodies.
Those who are venerated in the Church have been glorified by God after their death. This is possible because the Holy Spirit abides with them, even after they have passed away:,,And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.“ (John 14:16-17). That the saints intercede for us when we pray to them to do so and thus intercede for us, does not mean that they are omnipresent and omnipotent but that they can hear our prayers is due to the grace of the Holy Spirit because He abides with them forever.
Revelation 3:6-9 says:,,And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth; 8 I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name.
9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, *I* *will* *make* *them* *to* *come* *and* *worship* *before* *thy* *feet* , and to know that I have loved thee." (Revelation 3:19).
The Greek word ,,proskuneo" literally means ,,to bow down" and is translated as ,,worship" might be confusing. Here it refers to bowing down to the Church of Philadelphia, i.e. to veneration of the saints who are her members.
No one I know who is worthy of honor wants honor. That humility is part of what makes them worthy of honor in the first place.
@@cajunguy6502 Hello. It is not that they have demanded honour for themselves. God has glorified His saints through miracles. The Holy Spirit lives in them forever (John 14:16-17). Also He says:“for them that honour me I will honour,.” (1 Samuel 2:30).
Holiness is through synergy with the uncreated divine energies. The saints are neither holy in themselves, nor have become holy only by themselves. Holiness is related to the essence/energy distinction of God. Jesus says:,,Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.“ (John 6:46). He referred to Himself as the only one Who has seen Him:,,And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.“ (John 5:37). This is that by divinity Jesus of the same essence with the Father. Although God had apparead to holy men, they had seen Him only according His uncreated energy in the way it had appeared to them.
The theosis (becoming like God) is through participation of God's uncreated energy:,,According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue: 4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.“ (2 Peter 1:4); the meaning is becoming partakers of the uncreated divine energy, not the essence. The essence is unattainable to men.
St.John the Baptist and Jeremiah received the Holy Spirit yet in before birth:,,For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb. 16 And many of the children of Israel shall he turn to the Lord their God. 17 And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.’’ (Luke 1:15-17); ,,Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.“ (Jeremiah 1:5).
They had the original sin since conception but always willfully co-operated and co-energized with God's grace since their mother's womb. That is why they did not sin with personal sins which, for example is pointed directly about St.John when Jesus says: ,,Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.’’ (Matthew 11:11). It was also said about him that he was just and holy:,,Therefore Herodias had a quarrel against him, and would have killed him; but she could not: 20 For Herod feared John, knowing that he was a just man and an holy, and observed him; and when he heard him, he did many things, and heard him gladly.“ (Mark 6:19-20, KJV). According the the holy tradition, it was the same case with the Most Holy Virgin Mary was the same as those of St.John the Baptist and St.Jeremiah. She was purified from the original sin at the Incarnation.
Revelation 3:6-9 is a reference to the veneration of saints.He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches. 7 And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth; 8 I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name. 9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, *I* *will* *make* *them* *to* *come* *and* *worship* *before* *thy* *feet* , and to know that I have loved thee.''
Peace.