I've rebuilt 3 older mercedes 300E's and the inline 6 engine they have is called "bulletproof" for many reasons. I literally couldn't kill my first one, and I did some nasty stuff to that engine. Still had the power to pass anything but the gas station.
Part of this issue is that old simple diesels never die. Prewar equipment still works fine. There are simply masses of such machines that are run minimally, e.g. an excavator that is dusted off every spring to clear ditches then put away for 11 months. One has to understand that a modern replacement will never make financial sense.
All those sensors and catalyders, CPU you're putting on today's diesels how much pollution do they create when you make those items? I'm not being sarcastic I'm just curious. I know for a fact bio fuel freezes or gels up soon as you hit 20 -25ﾟ and mining for the materials you need to make the batteries are known to be environmentally disasters. So, how is that diesel in 1988 so much worse than today's? We used to drink water from a garden hose, we didn't have any plastic bottles floating around in the oceans. I'm just saying my head is not up my ass and if your environment is full of sh!t maybe just maybe it's because your head is up your?! Also back in the eighties my mechanic fixed my truck most of the time with just a few adjustments, today a mechanic needs a building full of tools that were created by destroying the environmen and those tools become absolete in a few years. No matter how many lies you pil up on top of lie to cover it up it's still a lie! It is proven that today's modern corporators make 97% >of the power and torque that a fuel injected engine makes. And you could fix it with just a few adjustments if something goes wrong.:)
A modern replacement won't still be dead reliable after many decades like the old one that only needs fuel, oil, and a starter to crank it. There are a lot of small companies that are relying heavily on old (2000 and older) diesel equipment because they can trust it to run and perform work and make money every day with rarely any problems.
@@Bloodbain88 Dude this is soooo true! I have literally dug out from under a pile of dirt and gravel, an old WWII British tracked front shovel for grandpa at his quarry. Stuck a battery to it, checked oil and water and it started right up! Drove it to the garage, gave it a normal, basic maintenance service, greased it up and off it went to work non stop and no troubles.
Also considering the minimal amount of use that many such vehicles recieve. Even if they were replaced with modern equivalents the sunken emissions from manufacturing them may never be paid back from the lower emissions at the time of use.
I run a 1959 manitowoc dragline for a small gravel company...no way would electric power for this be financially feasable...its like the little kids are running the show and "force" this on everyone...its absurd
Don't forget to factor in repair costs, junk throw away parts, increased fuel consumption, DEF consumption and the process involved in making it and distribution. I have a 1988 L8000, no smoke, 560k miles, and guess how many times it's been in the shop the last 20 years I've owned it? Once, I had to rebuild the radiator, otherwise it has not missed a day of work. New trucks are only cleaner at the pipe, but nobody factors in the rest of what it takes to keep these trucks on the road, they produce far more waste than could ever be made up in cleaner emissions.
The worst example I've seen of this was a newer crane truck bought by a construction company I do fleet maintenance for. The newer truck cost them more in maintenance in 1 year, than their older model (1999 international 4700) did in the past 10 years. I believe it was around twice as much. So the new one cost twice in one year, than what the old one did in 10. I don't know. All I see are old models going out to work every day reliably. While new machines are check engine lights and constant problems. You fix that and now the transmission is throwing a code because it doesn't like the state of the trans fluid. Or it thinks it needs new filters. Or has a solenoid acting up. I have a 26 year old 12 valve Cummins engine with 500k miles and it just. Keeps. Running. Doesn't seem like it will ever quit. Fuel in the tank, oil in the crank case, and coolant in the radiator and it won't stop.
Not to rain on your parade, but 560k miles is very low mileage for a 35 year old semi truck. Your average major OTR fleet truck will put on a million miles within 5 years, will probably get an inframe at that point and go on another million miles before being retired from OTR use. Early SCR/EGR trucks may have a lot of problems, but in the last few years the failure rates on the emissions controls have gotten significantly lower. Under typical OTR loads these trucks are getting 7-8mpg, your L8000 probably gets 5mpg at best. Modern trucks also have significantly more power and torque than a 35 year old truck are much quieter and generally easier and less fatiguing to drive allowing the drivers to get more miles in per day without the hearing damage that was part of driving old trucks (especially Detroit 2 strokes).
@@Bloodbain88 i get why we all like older analog cars and trucks. They are easier to repair and the diesels are very reliable. but, we can't buy old trucks new...... i bet you there are 100 new trucks for any old truck still on the road. same thing is true for other heavy equipment. a 1950s dozer just does not come with a quiet engine and air conditioning. regular cars are WAY more reliable now than they used to be say in the 80s and 90s. New stuff is not bad because it is new, it is bad because it not made well. try keeping old OTRs truck running with "original" parts made in China....
Being an engineer involved on the development of 4 stroke diesel engines , 2 stroke diesel engines (Railroad), and natural gas engines, and the owner of a Tesla model 3 and a 1988 Ford F700 diesel truck, I appreciate this video. It invites good discussion about the pros and cons of the various methods of heavy duty propulsion alternatives. I get the message, but the actual video could use a little polishing up though to increase its integrity. Let me know if you are looking for an editor.
video author thinks tesla semi has 4 motors. it is not as polluting not make the batteries. truck made in 1988 is 60 times more polluting than a modern truck?? based on what? methane? leaves out lot of details. I personally believe diesel electric hybrid would be next step before all electric semi.
@@ashmax28 There is no such thing free energy. There is a cost somewhere specifically when it comes to storage. Also a cost in using it. But if we reduce co2 down 1.1 % in the atmosphere . No problem, won't have plant based food to eat. Then climate change won't matter.
@@tedmoss Think... Why do EV's have heating/cooling systems for the BATTERY. Well they are damaged by either extreme heat or cold and well -40 is considered extreme cold.
10 advantages of HYLIION HYPERTRUCK ERX 1. Power reserve -1000 miles 2. Refueling time -15 minutes 3. Fuel - gas, the most environmentally friendly. And renewable gas gives us generally negative emissions. 4. The cost of gas is more than 2 times lower than the cost of diesel. 5. Power 670 HP 6. 75 miles of battery life only 7. Government incentives 8. The operation of the generator is always in optimal mode. 9. Silence in the office. 10. A truck familiar to everyone.
Though it seems promising on paper, Hyliion (HYLN) hasn't been able to convince the market. If you had invested in 2020, as of today you would have lost 92% of your investment. Many promising technologies will not make it due to insufficient adoption.
@@Patchuchan Agreed. I think diesel will be with us for awhile, particularly due to the significant reductions in emissions in recent decades. Cummins seems to have a favorable view of both hydrogen and LNG engines as eventual diesel alternatives based on their investment in research.
Hyliion's solution for electrified power train using an on board generator running on RNG to change the battery's . Up to a 1000 miles range and 75 miles on battery only. Net carbon negative when using RNG.
@@SVThailand I think that makes sense. All the food and industry goods made outside of the city like London get transported to London where they have charges for the ulez or ultra low emissions zone. 70 miles on batteries in and out of the city centre sounds ideal
@@SVThailand I really like your thinking on the rebuild. Just look at the efficiency of your average modern planes. They're old but very well maintained and good on efficiency and constantly being improved. In a nutshell. Get the best clean small diesel engine to power a small battery and electric motor drive chain
i think the reason there is such a heavy push for electric vehicles is because when in the future you say something unacceptable and your car gets turned off. Also for the electric cars there is much less tuning capability and much less self repair which usually means that when something bad happens there will be no way to fix your electric vehicle without going to a manufacturer for high demand low competition parts that will be deathly expensive.
Pfft, that's going on with ICE vehicles in the last 10 years. They all have the equivalent of smart computers in the dash in those infotainment units (which are deadly as hell because drivers get distracted by the damn things). Let's put the equivalent of a PC in the dash with a delicate touchscreen in a _car._ That sounds like a _great_ idea, right? What, with how people will suddenly have to stop now and then and anything on the backseat could become a missile, or maybe your child sitting back there might throw something at their sibling sitting in the front and smishy smashy goes the dashy and you now have thousands of dollars of repairs to get for the one thing the car absolutely cannot run without. That's why I don't want any car newer than 2010, I do *not* want one of those stupid things in my dash. Heck, I owned a 2003 Bonneville that had critical car systems *ROUTED THROUGH THE RADIO* because Pontiac didn't like people putting aftermarket radios in their cars. The more advanced they get with cars, the more crap will break down and that just fills their pockets when people have to repair all that crap. Meanwhile, we have Ford Model As that still run to this day and if it doesn't, you could probably get it to run yourself after a couple hours of tinkering.
Another thing about EV's that no one is talking about is the cost to insure them. I have a 2023 Bolt EV and my insurance is twice that of my 2012 camry. I inquired about the difference with my agent and she said that there are more electrical parts that get destroyed in a major accident and they are expensive to replace so they just total the car and pay the full replacement cost.
The tradeoff is there is much less to repair on an EV and in general they tend to be extremely reliable due to having less moving parts. I suspect a tuning industry will develop as EVs gain market share, there is a lot of potential in computer tweaks and higher output batteries and motors. The very high acceleration of most EVs also makes for less demand for performance mods. The other concerns regarding geofencing, remote disablement, etc are also valid concerns with ICE vehices and the pushback against that needs to happen now, EV adoption will have no effect on that because the same tech can be installed on ICE vehicles.
Nope it won't dissappear. Before diesel can dissappear it must meet its criteria such as fast charging, longer range & be able to carry heavy cargo just like diesels can otherwise no one will buy a truck that takes hours to charge for 400 or 500km of range.
Working on a battery plant just breaking ground for a large car manufacturer. They have probably 150 diesel semis running loads of gravel everyday for the last couple of weeks plus for probably the next couple of months. Then you have the 4 quarries they are pulling out of blasting limestone e everyday to keep up with production. Plus probably 40 pieces of heavy equipment on site moving the dirt and the gravel. All this before the first footer is dug or the first pipe is laid. And it is a 3 year project. So tell me again how all that is better for the environment. How many years will it take off production just to break even on carbon emission just to build that 1 plant.
I dont think diesel will be replaced too soon. Since you mentioned biodiesel and improvments of diesel engines they will still have their presence in next upcoming years. These alternative can emerge in different ways like electric ones as distribution trucks. But for long run Diesel still wins
@@sheilaolfieway1885 Depends on the source and engine tuning. Some better some worse. I have a 97 Kenworth T-800 that seems to like running on B20+ canola-based fuels.
electric will never replace disesel as it's range will always be limited wiht batteries and I highly doubt we can ever use solar panels to charge it enough... Now a hybrid diesel electric could work.
@@sheilaolfieway1885 for RME there is a few percent power reduction, like 4-5%. There is more so capacity reduction (about 15%). For HVO there is basically no difftnce what so ever. If any, the performance is increased. HVO is a more uniforme fuel than diesel. The issue with hvo is that it need hydrogen to be made that currently is fairly dirty.
In the end diesel is still the better choice and unlike other alternatives has nothing to hide like real world performance or in the case of Li battery's, slavery in a few of the country's where the Lithium or cobalt comes from. I guess as long as you feel green its okay.
@@blackhawk7r221 They're talking about poor South American countries where most of the Lithium deposits are. Look up the method behind Lithium mining sometime. It's incredibly destructive to the environment. And yeah, the real world performance, lol. Like, the guy who hooked a camper up to his Lightning and the battery quit after 60 miles, lol.
Some detective work indicates that the Tesla truck is so heavy, it can only haul 1/2 to 1/4 the cargo a diesel truck can. When you factor in the horrendous Mining issues with Lithium & Cobalt and the other large problems with the other alternative fuels, it looks like some version of vegetable oil or biodiesel is going to be the easiest to put to work in trucks if you really feel the need to replace the current diesel.
Good thing people didn't have that mindset 150 years ago, or there would be no vehicles at all. Or 100 years ago, there would be no telephone system, or 50 years ago, there would be no solid state electronics, or 30 years ago, there would be no internet....Everything you enjoy in life is because people DID NOT have the mindset of "there is no point in changing how we do things"
@@billsmithingell7902 really then why does the saying exist if it's not broken don't fix it. A good diesel engine is superior to a electric and petrol car any day. Emmisons are scams by the greenies to scare people. Here in Australia the summer has been colder than usual.
@@billsmithingell7902 The difference is all those changes were shown to give clear benefits. Electric cars or trucks are not doing anything new and the benefits are not a winning combination. The stupid thing about electric cars or trucks is that they use a battery; They still need a fuel to generate this electricity. Meaning there is the use of coal, gas, oil or uranium. Now you have added the environmental problem and the inconvenience of the battery for what benefit? Less maintenance, less noise and maybe less cost. These cars will be throw away eventually because of the battery; maybe after around 20-25 years and when this reality is known and is factored into the dynamics; Mass production of EV's will be more problematic then it is worth. Australia, Europe and parts of the US are struggling to generate enough electrical power as it is. Unless there is a major breakthrough in technology; Problems are on the horizon. EV's have their place, but it is a place that plays to its advantages.
I feel the same...100 years from now..on the interstate he is..diesel trucks will be the backbone of the freight industry in America..there is no logical arguement..or total replacement of in my opinion...a invention to mankind second only to the wheel..my only regret..is I can't be there to say (I told you so)!
Follow the smart money. Look into the billions being poured into RNG. Hyliion’s Hypertruck ERX is going to dominate this market as its the only true long haul solution.
Also one thing to mention is how a battery fire is nearly impossible to stop, big cng and hydrogen tanks rupturing would result in catastrophic explosions so safty is a serious concern for all alternatives, also BEV carry all their weight all the time and are much heavier meaning that they use much more joules of energy to move around than diesel or alternatives meaning that in just raw energy consumption they are incredibly inefficient
This is the most biased "scientific" video I've ever watched. Keywords like "overly" instead of just restrictive emission standards, it's hard to listen to the science when you're constantly editorializing with a clear agenda instead of just facts.
@@petejohnson1724 exactly, we want facts without the commentary, green nutters like myself hated nuclear, but facts show it's safe and clean for the most part so we changed our minds. If facts show the energy costs to produce electric cars outweigh their efficiency over time we'd look at it but if you cherry pick and have an agenda with the numbers we'll dismiss it.
As a carrier I was goin go to order one. There’s a small problem and a big problem with it. The small problem it’s twice as expensive as a new diesel. The Big problem is that it’s “Significantly” heavier than a diesel. Majority of my customers want max cargo weight available. I ordered a new diesel truck until they refine the product.
As an industrial vehicle tech, if all the dead battery/low voltage issues I have seen with just under 2000 machines, can only image the lack of knowledge that there really is when caring for a battery with proper charging. That and a other problem that gets the operators, charged the battery that was at 30% capacity to get a 100% after 15-30 minutes only to have the battery drain really fast for some reason. That is called residual voltage, not it's true voltage after it cools.
The statement that CNG only produces 20% Carbon-dioxide less than Diesel is false. Per unit of energy, burning Natural gas (methane) produces 1/2.4 the Carbon-dioxide of diesel. The world's first Diesel engine ran on "peanut oil", NOT "fuel-oil".
Hybrid is definitely the way to go with regenerative braking around town and then on the highway once you reach say 60mph for more than a mile it switches over diesel to charge the batteries and alternate between battery and diesel as needed
Remember that UA-cam has an international audience and US point of view is not a global view. There are some conventions, such as providing figures in metric as well as imperial, which would give your presentations a wider appeal.
@TruckTropia I have worked with diesel engines that date back to the 60s and use 40s tech. EMD 645 is by far my favorite to work with. They are simple to work on and start up with little to no difficulty.
@@TruckTropia nobody talks about what battery size is best for longevity , the more parrallels you add the less longveity, but exponentially more energy required in practical situations because energy per weight is low compared to combustion, more energy flow is worse for degradation. see aptera owners club video on saftey, lighter is safer for people in other weaker vehicals in crash without nessesarily being less safe for people inside car. 2 pistons going back and forth on shaft with magnets on it, make electrity to charge electric drive. no dealing with downshifts, no weight balancing of spinning parts and friction, no frequent and large change in rpm, allows small size weight , and weight low to ground to handle more momentum around turns, regenrative braking is less effceint than momentum preservation and energy flow worsens battery longveity.
Only near term practical solution for a full time electric semi would be to have the truck pull into a Bay and the battery removed and swapped out with a fully charged one. Benefit of that solution would be that the battery would be more of a rental subscription which means if it goes bad it wouldn't cost the owner of the truck $50,000-$100,000.
Yeah I honestly don't understand why a battery rental-based solution isn't catching on. It just solves all the problems we currently have with battery powered vehicles. We can standardize on 12V lead-acid batteries for ICE cars, what's so difficult about standardizing on electric vehicles?
My thought is to make it a modular part of the trailer, only keeping a small battery on the truck to move the truck when the trailer isn't attached. This way the trailer is charged while the freight is being loaded.
@@Stewi1014 because batteries are part of the chassis in a lot of cars and therefore adaptet to the size of said vehicle. You can't put the battery of a Rimac Truck into a Renault Zoe
One thing they should consider is charging on the move, have a dedicated lane with overhead cables to constantly charge the truck, and the battery for driving outside that lane. There are already city buses running on overhead cables like a train does.
Currently, there's no technology to replace diesel except coal and nuclear power. We're lucky to have it. Thank you Rudolf. Murdered 1913. Same year of the creature from Jekyll Island.
As a diesel technician, I can say that when running a new diesel engine in our shop, you can tell just how clean it is. Older diesel engines make your eyes burn, and lungs hurt. The emission requirements for heavy-duty diesel engines made today are plenty enough to make sense for the long term. We just need bio-diesel to take over. Just remember, it's not the engine that needs to be changed. It's the fuel source.
Yup, just the same as with cars. An old car or a newer vehicle which has had a catalyst delete will make your eyes water. Though diesels with coal roller chips are the worst by far, even worse than a pre-emissions stock diesel. Stand next to an idling coal roller and try to not to gag, and stacks on a coal roller don't help because there is SOOO much unburned fuel in the exhaust that it falls to the ground.
What irritates me the most about this topic is that popular opinion seems to say that there should and can be only one answer to which system we use. Realistically using only one system only changes a problem and does not solve it. If the production and use of fossil fuels and combustion engines is reduced, not eliminated, and the production and use of altertative fuels and electrical venhicles is increased, there will be a point where there becomes a balance in environmental impact. Each type of system has areas where they are better than others. If use is limited only to where they are the best solution, and not where they are not, then it would be the best solution. There is no one size fits all solution when it comes to the different systems available.
A yes. One of those industrial scam to scam people knowing nothing about the industry. I read at there homepage, there was a number of factually errors right of the back.
The future is definitely an EV powertrain for class 8 semi trucks. The question will be how is that accomplished. Instead of a huge battery bank, the size of the battery can be made smaller (ie environmentally friendlier solution) when leveraging renewable energy like RNG with a range extender as available with the Hyliion ERX. The transportation industry will begin pushing away from diesel with additional government mandates in the US. It’s up to companies to create innovative solutions and not just carry on just because that’s how it’s always been done. The pivot away from diesel will be an exciting transformation.
BIO fuel has a couple of big problems. We have to take massive amounts of farm land out of food production which can lead to wide spread famine. Also many countries are now placing new restrictions on farming which will also impact their productivity.
Food production makes up only a small proportion of farmland usage. With ethanol, the corn was going to be animal feed and you still wind up with animal feed as that part of the corn isn't used for ethanol. At worst, you move farmland from one non-food crop to another non-food crop.
Most of the emissions equipment has also come at a cost of reliability. Manufacturers have had to work extremely hard to keep their trucks reliable enough for the owners to actually make an income. The emission systems are the least reliable pieces of equipment on most modern trucks. I'd like to see what type of emissions come out of the tail pipe during a regeneration cycle.
emissions during regen cycles are no worse, the regen is burning up the soot to a level where it's no worse than the particulates that are small enough to pass through the DPF
200000pound pulling capacity and range over 600 miles, chaging 45 min to 100%, battery size under 2 cubic feet and weight under 800 pounds and 700-800hp. Those are parameters that need to be filled if we want to stop using diesel
Long haul solution is going >back< to primarily using trains. Staying on trucks for long haul for this long isn't just the trucker unions but also the oil industry. The oil industry is the chef reason the US has moved away from mass transit starting in the 1950's.
@@AndriusRut tesla Semi will soon scape production, when it does and cost of Diesrl fuel goes up the Tesla Semi will be king in local deliveries , the Tesla Semi has 3 drive motors not 4 , update your info .ROI and Maintenance on BE trucks will beat diesel costs.
You are all fools. A battery based long haul semi will never be more efficient or green than regular semis. The cars aren't even more efficient or green
All I know is diesel is a commodity that we, as humans cannot go without. We are completely dependent on it. Everything you own and use was brought to you by diesel in one way or another. The governments of the world will destroy us trying to get rid of it.
Currently there's no solution that fits all applications. And none of them are perfect. Each has their own unique pros and cons. So the future will most likely be a mix of different technologies.
You wonder why Bio-Diesel gets no attention? I had a no start complaint. Our company recommends our drivers to add only %5 Bio-Diesel in our trucks. Well he filled it up with it. The amount of algae and moss and shit was unreal. New Infectors, Lines, Pumps,etc it started adding up. We recommend 0 Bio-Diesel now.
Your diesel history recites many reductions in diesel pollution. Despite these, diesel propulsion (even "clean diesel") is simply a slightly different restatement of the gasoline engine and its pollution problems. Yes, almost any emerging technology passes through a series of obstacles, and electric and hydrogen are no exception. However, the fundamental difference between diesel, gasoline and CNG, on one side, and electric, on the other, is we cannot afford their fossil-based pollution. Obviously, we cannot afford greener energy sources, either, without solving their own waste and atmospheric pollution issues. There is a very limited amount of CO2 and methane the Earth can absorb before it falls into an unrecoverable, unlivable condition. We are literally destroying the natural environment on which we must depend for our survival.
I would have preferred if the script was not so biased, such as using the word "demonize", and adding word "overly" before "strict emission standard(s)".
I look forward to not inhaling diesel fumes ever again. Most of the countries in the world could give two shits about pollution. Hopefully electric trucks will get the job done.
From what I’ve heard, ships and freight trains are far more fuel efficient than trucks so what we could also do is reduce the amount of cargo transported on a truck (unless if absolutely necessary of course), and carbon emissions can be easily reduced. Better for truck drivers too since their job is super tough and ships and trains carry far more cargo than trucks putting some of the highways
In 1987 Rudolph Diesel invented the Diesel engine? I was listening to it in the background and was like, "What?" The text was right. Other than that minuscule error, good video!
How many watts are necessary to accelerate a semi at an acceptable rate? How powerful of a motor can be packed in the hub of each wheel? On the drive shaft? What size / weight engine is required to power them? What size / weight super caps to absorb charge while at low load to boost performance as needed while keeping the engine at a near constant load? Does it need batteries with a shorter lifespan but much higher charge capacity per volume/weight?
Why couldn't an older mechanicaly injected diesel run on HVO? You can already run them on waste motor oil, transmission fluid, fry oil ect. If it can combust, and if the injector can spray it, an older diesel should be able to run on it just fine.
Anyone know what CA and Washington's plans are to generate all this newly needed electricity?? CA already has rolling blackouts in high use times during the summer.
I wanna know how good cars are gonna go in WA when the winters start to hit, how many people are gonna get stranded on snow-covered roads when their batteries fail on them.
@Dhalin that is a fair question. When I lived in western NY there were weeks that were so cold I had to bring my regular car battery inside at night so it would start in the morning.
Diesel is a relic of the past. Electric engines are inherently more efficient and simpler to maintenance and manufacture than diesel. The Tesla semi is a marvel of engineering that needs to be appreciated. All automotive manufacturers that have moved electric have bathed in the cash. There’s no turning back now. The world will go electric or die.
The trucking industry as a whole is traditionally very slow to change. A perfect example is the air disc brake vs drum brakes. There's no way unless government regulations require to replace the diesel engine. How much does an electric truck weigh? The heavier the empty weight the less the cargo. Decades or more away from a reasonable alternative.
Personally I like hybrid and hydrogen. If we can make hydrogen fuel cheaply and environmentally friendly, a vast majority of diesel engines can be converted to hydrogen while increasing fuel economy and power. Hybrid cars are extremely reliable for the most part, and are the most reliable category of vehicle, ahead of diesel, gas, and on the very bottom of reliability, electric.
But the 1988 truck is still on the road and the new ones are broke down with DPF and DEF problems waiting 4 months for parts. These new “clean” Diesel engines have been an absolute nightmare for guys who depend on them to feed their families. The only people who like them don’t own one and have never had to deal with constant breakdowns, tow bills and missed loads while the truck payment and insurance bill still needs paid. No doubt they are “cleaner” but it’s come at a massive cost which is east to ignore when you aren’t the guy suffering.
I don't think its fair that Jamaica can allow their semi trucks roll coal and has next to no environmental laws for gas and diesel engines meanwhile our trucks have to meet all these emissions standards...
200k in fuel savings, but how much of that savings get diverted to exorbant maintenance costs that you wouldn't normally spend with a conventional diesel?
Your information is incorrect if anything it increases CO2 emissions the DPF uses more fuel to then burn the carbon soot at higher temperatures so not too see them later on after the emissions check that is what the DPF does, a Larger turbo, higher power injection like at Higher Pressure with the 2 stage that CATs have is about 50% efficient the most you will get out of an internal combustion engine. What we need is room temperature superconducting technology. That is 100% efficiency is all aspects. However the governments of the world make more money taxing Energy than the oil companies that get it out of the ground and that is the problem. The so-called carbon taxes is just another way to make money off energies. Molten Salt Reactors with nuclear power is the way to go, they are 98% efficient and small, they can solve the energy problems and are very clean, can run on nuclear waste or thorium. CO2 emissions from us is not causing climate change, what melted the last ice age was not Ford, or Toyota. The Tonga eruption put out more Greenhouse Gas in two days then the USA has done in 7 years. We need to get off oil cause of the cost, and efficiency and pollution of air , land, and sea, but it is all we have now, room temperature superconducting technology should be researched first, EV’s will never work without it, then everything will change overnight just like semiconductor technology changed the vacuum tube.
The emissions since 2008 just make the engine run worse, polluting more. Sure when new they farther out cleanish air, but once they wear down they are far worse. And still don't set a check engine light.
Electrical grid is going to need a huge upgrade in a lot of areas to handle the extra need for electricity. I think they are putting the cart in front of the horse so to speak.
Batteries require lithium, a limited resource. So replacing all trucks with electric trucks may not be a real solution. Diesel engines are mainly made of iron and aluminum and can be mass-produced.
The dominant element in a diesel truck is carbon. The fuel used by a truck outweighs all the othe stuff over the life of the truck. a Semi uses, at best 50 l/100 km, and a litre is about 900 g, so it uses 0.45 kg per km... which is 1 lb of fuel per km. ... so say the max weight of a truck in North America is 80,000 lbs, so after 80,000 km. or 50,000 miles, most of the "weight" of the vehicle is the fuel.... that would happen in a couple of months.
I worried that the mining activity would cause another problem. Driving mining vehicles and smelting raw materials also consumes resources and impacts the environment.
In 2014 they made a huge studdy in the mid size city gothemburg in sweden about NOx. And it turned out that only 24% was from traffic, and of that, half was from comersial vehicle. But more importantly, only 25% was from Euro 5 and 6, 75% was from euro 4 or older. Now 10 years later there will be hardly any euro 4 and older left so the NOx from cars and trucks are probobly in the range of 5-8%. Totaly eliminating them will have hardly any effect what so ever. So where was all the NOx from. The lagest part was large ships in the harbour. Smal engines was a suprincingly large part and fire (like fire places) was also notable, as well as powerplants. Smaler source emotion was work equipment like diggers. It's likely that due to them as well have to conform to euro emissions, that will also be reduced over time, but a bit more slowly due to they generally have a longer life span. So what did we learn about NOx.. its a decreasing problem. Its mostly so from smal and unregulated sources and combating it in vehicle is really no longer realistic.
The part they won't tell you.... My 1998 freightliner fld with a Cummings M-11+ got 7.2 mpg over the 1.8 million miles I drove it and that was 95% loaded miles. My 2018 freightliner, emissions controlled,only 50% loaded miles, gets 6.2 mpg. That goes down to 5.3 when the temperature is below 30 deg F. Why because emissions suck fuel. Any way you look at it, the #1 polluter is ships burning bunker fuel. The #2 jet aircraft. Both put far more pollution in the air every year than all of the trucks of even the 70's and 80's ever did.
We have LNG fuel at work they claim they can run for miles but as soon as you put weight on them the fuel just doesn’t last also we struggle on weight a lot as it puts a lot of weight on the trucks axles
LNG is mostly usable for short fixed routes and near area distribution. And electric for light city distribution. Diesel is king for some more years for long haul and heavy loads. Trying to pull a 60 or even 74 ton truck in mountains in 10 hour shifts is not yet possible with any alternative fuel. And then driver number 2 takes over for another shift.
@@blackhawk7r221 Your information is useless unless you tell us at what pressure and temperature you mean. Because at normal temperature and pressure, you can't handle it like diesel and gasoline. Maybe you are talking about what comes out of your gas stove, the one that's about to be banned.
We are still some decades away from diesel being fully replaced. That said I think especially in the likely scenario where the recharging infrastructure and general electrical infrastructure isn't ready to handle the load by the end of sale dates set by the various governments we will see the return of hybrid trucks. They will give increased mileage and provide a platform to refine battery tech without the range limitations of pure electric and provide an essential stepping stone that has been tossed aside by the environmentalists. As for Hydrogen I think this is the fuel that the trucking industry is hoping will get more support because it follows the familiar "drive-refuel-drive more" cycle of current trucks without the major waiting times of pure electric. Again it faces infrastructure hurdles but at least isn't also limited by wider electrical grid hurdles as well.
@@tedmoss The current brown outs in places pushing hardest for electrification like California say otherwise and the denial of the infrastructure issues is the highest form of dishonesty in any support or proposal of electric vehicles.
Electric will have its place as a city truck but heavy haul guys just laugh. A friend who does heavy haul was hauling over 200k lbs and was averaged 125l/100km lol that engine was working hard
Well the long haul could be taken by Railroads which are far easier to electrify for long distance as you don't have to worry about batteries, then just transload at a local team track to local trucks for transport. with containers this would be reasonably easy to put into effect.
@@johnkuzma7066 If it were that easy, we'd already be using rail as a primary hauling method. But it seems to me, there's a reason why we don't... I don't know, like, there isn't rail everywhere? Like, I know of two places that there's a railroad. Said places are 30 minutes apart, and I don't even know where the nearest trainyard even is. It's probably more than 500mi. A diesel truck can go anywhere you have paved road. A rail can't, and of course you need to account for the extra energy, time, and cost to load/unload. If you're using a diesel semi, you load it once at its origination, and unload once at its destination. If you use a rail to semi, you have to load a semi at its origination, unload at a trainyard, ship it via train to unload it at another trainyard to load onto another semi, then unload at the final destination. This requires energy, probably forklifts that run on gasoline.
1:17: Really? Here's a hint: When trying to present information as factual, don't put the picture of a famous monument in the District of Columbia is the segment talking about the state of Washington.
It's all about driverless trucks. This is why the diesel is being faded out. The electric vehicle is easier to make driverless then a diesel engine. Because then the driverless truck don't need to start a motor. It just has to turn on. Easier function. But my biggest gripe is the destruction of forest to put in massive solar panels fields. So then destroy woods to save planet. Sounds like a good idea to me. If we just go hemp. We would have the issues of infrastructure, electric not working, and many other problems that I just can't think of right now.
Watch why all trucks use inline Six engines ua-cam.com/video/833MXlpGI34/v-deo.html
Scania v8
The 12V71 says your wrong.
I've rebuilt 3 older mercedes 300E's and the inline 6 engine they have is called "bulletproof" for many reasons. I literally couldn't kill my first one, and I did some nasty stuff to that engine. Still had the power to pass anything but the gas station.
Even the head of Ford's truck division though the 300 inline 6 was a much better truck motor. Emissions killed it though.
Power to weight. I 6 engines. Are most efficient design. At this point.
Part of this issue is that old simple diesels never die. Prewar equipment still works fine. There are simply masses of such machines that are run minimally, e.g. an excavator that is dusted off every spring to clear ditches then put away for 11 months. One has to understand that a modern replacement will never make financial sense.
All those sensors and catalyders, CPU you're putting on today's diesels how much pollution do they create when you make those items?
I'm not being sarcastic I'm just curious. I know for a fact bio fuel freezes or gels up soon as you hit 20 -25ﾟ and mining for the materials you need to make the batteries are known to be environmentally disasters. So, how is that diesel in 1988 so much worse than today's?
We used to drink water from a garden hose, we didn't have any plastic bottles floating around in the oceans. I'm just saying my head is not up my ass and if your environment is full of sh!t maybe just maybe it's because your head is up your?!
Also back in the eighties my mechanic fixed my truck most of the time with just a few adjustments, today a mechanic needs a building full of tools that were created by destroying the environmen and those tools become absolete in a few years.
No matter how many lies you pil up on top of lie to cover it up it's still a lie!
It is proven that today's modern corporators make 97% >of the power and torque that a fuel injected engine makes.
And you could fix it with just a few adjustments if something goes wrong.:)
A modern replacement won't still be dead reliable after many decades like the old one that only needs fuel, oil, and a starter to crank it. There are a lot of small companies that are relying heavily on old (2000 and older) diesel equipment because they can trust it to run and perform work and make money every day with rarely any problems.
@@Bloodbain88 Dude this is soooo true! I have literally dug out from under a pile of dirt and gravel, an old WWII British tracked front shovel for grandpa at his quarry. Stuck a battery to it, checked oil and water and it started right up! Drove it to the garage, gave it a normal, basic maintenance service, greased it up and off it went to work non stop and no troubles.
Also considering the minimal amount of use that many such vehicles recieve. Even if they were replaced with modern equivalents the sunken emissions from manufacturing them may never be paid back from the lower emissions at the time of use.
I run a 1959 manitowoc dragline for a small gravel company...no way would electric power for this be financially feasable...its like the little kids are running the show and "force" this on everyone...its absurd
Don't forget to factor in repair costs, junk throw away parts, increased fuel consumption, DEF consumption and the process involved in making it and distribution. I have a 1988 L8000, no smoke, 560k miles, and guess how many times it's been in the shop the last 20 years I've owned it?
Once, I had to rebuild the radiator, otherwise it has not missed a day of work.
New trucks are only cleaner at the pipe, but nobody factors in the rest of what it takes to keep these trucks on the road, they produce far more waste than could ever be made up in cleaner emissions.
The worst example I've seen of this was a newer crane truck bought by a construction company I do fleet maintenance for. The newer truck cost them more in maintenance in 1 year, than their older model (1999 international 4700) did in the past 10 years. I believe it was around twice as much. So the new one cost twice in one year, than what the old one did in 10.
I don't know. All I see are old models going out to work every day reliably. While new machines are check engine lights and constant problems. You fix that and now the transmission is throwing a code because it doesn't like the state of the trans fluid. Or it thinks it needs new filters. Or has a solenoid acting up.
I have a 26 year old 12 valve Cummins engine with 500k miles and it just. Keeps. Running. Doesn't seem like it will ever quit. Fuel in the tank, oil in the crank case, and coolant in the radiator and it won't stop.
Not to rain on your parade, but 560k miles is very low mileage for a 35 year old semi truck. Your average major OTR fleet truck will put on a million miles within 5 years, will probably get an inframe at that point and go on another million miles before being retired from OTR use. Early SCR/EGR trucks may have a lot of problems, but in the last few years the failure rates on the emissions controls have gotten significantly lower. Under typical OTR loads these trucks are getting 7-8mpg, your L8000 probably gets 5mpg at best. Modern trucks also have significantly more power and torque than a 35 year old truck are much quieter and generally easier and less fatiguing to drive allowing the drivers to get more miles in per day without the hearing damage that was part of driving old trucks (especially Detroit 2 strokes).
@@Bloodbain88 i get why we all like older analog cars and trucks. They are easier to repair and the diesels are very reliable. but, we can't buy old trucks new...... i bet you there are 100 new trucks for any old truck still on the road. same thing is true for other heavy equipment. a 1950s dozer just does not come with a quiet engine and air conditioning. regular cars are WAY more reliable now than they used to be say in the 80s and 90s. New stuff is not bad because it is new, it is bad because it not made well. try keeping old OTRs truck running with "original" parts made in China....
Luke, no NEW truck uses more fuel than a truck from the 80s. Not even close. I bet a new Diesel truck gets almost double the gas mileage.
HYLIION HYPERTRUCK ERX
Being an engineer involved on the development of 4 stroke diesel engines , 2 stroke diesel engines (Railroad), and natural gas engines, and the owner of a Tesla model 3 and a 1988 Ford F700 diesel truck, I appreciate this video. It invites good discussion about the pros and cons of the various methods of heavy duty propulsion alternatives. I get the message, but the actual video could use a little polishing up though to increase its integrity. Let me know if you are looking for an editor.
video author thinks tesla semi has 4 motors. it is not as polluting not make the batteries. truck made in 1988 is 60 times more polluting than a modern truck?? based on what? methane? leaves out lot of details. I personally believe diesel electric hybrid would be next step before all electric semi.
2 stroke is the best diesel
@@ashmax28 There is no such thing free energy.
There is a cost somewhere specifically when it comes to storage.
Also a cost in using it.
But if we reduce co2 down 1.1 % in the atmosphere .
No problem, won't have plant based food to eat.
Then climate change won't matter.
Are you aware that most RR engines cycle of and on and burn 500 gallons of diesel every 24 hours just sitting and not being used to move anything ?.
@@ashmax28 Why not go direct and eliminate the problem and save money? Tesla Semi.
The hyliion erx is unmatched, excited to see everyone finding out!
Did you spell it right ? Or is that how it's supposed to be
How will that work when it’s -40 in middle of nowhere South Dakota and the road is closed for four days because of a blizzard and you can’t charge it
Think before you act. A battery will last a long time when it is not powering the truck.
Same as when there's no power to run the diesel pumps and truck stop
@@tedmoss Think... Why do EV's have heating/cooling systems for the BATTERY. Well they are damaged by either extreme heat or cold and well -40 is considered extreme cold.
@synapticburn Easy manual pumps and gas or diesel generators every truck stop thats big enough has a generator and all pumps come with manual backups.
They won’t deliver to the 3 people in south dakota
I really hope that internal combustion engines in general don’t disappear
10 advantages of HYLIION HYPERTRUCK ERX
1. Power reserve -1000 miles
2. Refueling time -15 minutes
3. Fuel - gas, the most environmentally friendly. And renewable gas gives us generally negative emissions.
4. The cost of gas is more than 2 times lower than the cost of diesel.
5. Power 670 HP
6. 75 miles of battery life only
7. Government incentives
8. The operation of the generator is always in optimal mode.
9. Silence in the office.
10. A truck familiar to everyone.
Wierd this fella never reviewed Hyliion. Yet they never do right !
I searched it it sounds like a good concept.
Though it seems promising on paper, Hyliion (HYLN) hasn't been able to convince the market. If you had invested in 2020, as of today you would have lost 92% of your investment. Many promising technologies will not make it due to insufficient adoption.
@@astropythagorean A real shame as pure electric makes zero sense for long haul trucks.
@@Patchuchan Agreed. I think diesel will be with us for awhile, particularly due to the significant reductions in emissions in recent decades. Cummins seems to have a favorable view of both hydrogen and LNG engines as eventual diesel alternatives based on their investment in research.
Hyliion's solution for electrified power train using an on board generator running on RNG to change the battery's . Up to a 1000 miles range and 75 miles on battery only.
Net carbon negative when using RNG.
So it is basically a hybrid powerplant like the old Chevy Volt.
are you using gacha to powering a car?
@@SVThailand I think that makes sense. All the food and industry goods made outside of the city like London get transported to London where they have charges for the ulez or ultra low emissions zone.
70 miles on batteries in and out of the city centre sounds ideal
@@SVThailand I simply cannot understand why they didn't use the super duper clean modern diesel engine to drive the volt
@@SVThailand I really like your thinking on the rebuild.
Just look at the efficiency of your average modern planes. They're old but very well maintained and good on efficiency and constantly being improved.
In a nutshell.
Get the best clean small diesel engine to power a small battery and electric motor drive chain
i think the reason there is such a heavy push for electric vehicles is because when in the future you say something unacceptable and your car gets turned off. Also for the electric cars there is much less tuning capability and much less self repair which usually means that when something bad happens there will be no way to fix your electric vehicle without going to a manufacturer for high demand low competition parts that will be deathly expensive.
One item put forward at least in the UK ,is the use of geo-fencing ones EV, conspiracy theory?? Dont fall for the EV hype.
Pfft, that's going on with ICE vehicles in the last 10 years. They all have the equivalent of smart computers in the dash in those infotainment units (which are deadly as hell because drivers get distracted by the damn things). Let's put the equivalent of a PC in the dash with a delicate touchscreen in a _car._ That sounds like a _great_ idea, right? What, with how people will suddenly have to stop now and then and anything on the backseat could become a missile, or maybe your child sitting back there might throw something at their sibling sitting in the front and smishy smashy goes the dashy and you now have thousands of dollars of repairs to get for the one thing the car absolutely cannot run without. That's why I don't want any car newer than 2010, I do *not* want one of those stupid things in my dash. Heck, I owned a 2003 Bonneville that had critical car systems *ROUTED THROUGH THE RADIO* because Pontiac didn't like people putting aftermarket radios in their cars. The more advanced they get with cars, the more crap will break down and that just fills their pockets when people have to repair all that crap. Meanwhile, we have Ford Model As that still run to this day and if it doesn't, you could probably get it to run yourself after a couple hours of tinkering.
Another thing about EV's that no one is talking about is the cost to insure them. I have a 2023 Bolt EV and my insurance is twice that of my 2012 camry. I inquired about the difference with my agent and she said that there are more electrical parts that get destroyed in a major accident and they are expensive to replace so they just total the car and pay the full replacement cost.
The tradeoff is there is much less to repair on an EV and in general they tend to be extremely reliable due to having less moving parts. I suspect a tuning industry will develop as EVs gain market share, there is a lot of potential in computer tweaks and higher output batteries and motors. The very high acceleration of most EVs also makes for less demand for performance mods. The other concerns regarding geofencing, remote disablement, etc are also valid concerns with ICE vehices and the pushback against that needs to happen now, EV adoption will have no effect on that because the same tech can be installed on ICE vehicles.
Nope it won't dissappear. Before diesel can dissappear it must meet its criteria such as fast charging, longer range & be able to carry heavy cargo just like diesels can otherwise no one will buy a truck that takes hours to charge for 400 or 500km of range.
Working on a battery plant just breaking ground for a large car manufacturer. They have probably 150 diesel semis running loads of gravel everyday for the last couple of weeks plus for probably the next couple of months. Then you have the 4 quarries they are pulling out of blasting limestone e everyday to keep up with production. Plus probably 40 pieces of heavy equipment on site moving the dirt and the gravel. All this before the first footer is dug or the first pipe is laid. And it is a 3 year project. So tell me again how all that is better for the environment. How many years will it take off production just to break even on carbon emission just to build that 1 plant.
I dont think diesel will be replaced too soon. Since you mentioned biodiesel and improvments of diesel engines they will still have their presence in next upcoming years. These alternative can emerge in different ways like electric ones as distribution trucks. But for long run Diesel still wins
But how does biodiesel compare in power output to traditional diesel?
@@sheilaolfieway1885 Depends on the source and engine tuning. Some better some worse. I have a 97 Kenworth T-800 that seems to like running on B20+ canola-based fuels.
Not any more.
electric will never replace disesel as it's range will always be limited wiht batteries and I highly doubt we can ever use solar panels to charge it enough... Now a hybrid diesel electric could work.
@@sheilaolfieway1885 for RME there is a few percent power reduction, like 4-5%. There is more so capacity reduction (about 15%).
For HVO there is basically no difftnce what so ever. If any, the performance is increased. HVO is a more uniforme fuel than diesel. The issue with hvo is that it need hydrogen to be made that currently is fairly dirty.
The push for electric is for the profits that they can make as they hold the choke points
In the end diesel is still the better choice and unlike other alternatives has nothing to hide like real world performance or in the case of Li battery's, slavery in a few of the country's where the Lithium or cobalt comes from. I guess as long as you feel green its okay.
Australia?
@@blackhawk7r221 They're talking about poor South American countries where most of the Lithium deposits are. Look up the method behind Lithium mining sometime. It's incredibly destructive to the environment.
And yeah, the real world performance, lol. Like, the guy who hooked a camper up to his Lightning and the battery quit after 60 miles, lol.
The maintenance intervals on an electric truck are few and far between too. Can't wait to see what the future holds
no they arent
Some detective work indicates that the Tesla truck is so heavy, it can only haul 1/2 to 1/4 the cargo a diesel truck can. When you factor in the horrendous Mining issues with Lithium & Cobalt and the other large problems with the other alternative fuels, it looks like some version of vegetable oil or biodiesel is going to be the easiest to put to work in trucks if you really feel the need to replace the current diesel.
In India people are re programming ecu to bypass scr to cut adblue expenses. The government should take strict action against these evaders
Diesel will be with us for centuries. I personally see no issues with diesel and think there is no point in changing how we do things.
Good thing people didn't have that mindset 150 years ago, or there would be no vehicles at all. Or 100 years ago, there would be no telephone system, or 50 years ago, there would be no solid state electronics, or 30 years ago, there would be no internet....Everything you enjoy in life is because people DID NOT have the mindset of "there is no point in changing how we do things"
@@billsmithingell7902 really then why does the saying exist if it's not broken don't fix it. A good diesel engine is superior to a electric and petrol car any day. Emmisons are scams by the greenies to scare people. Here in Australia the summer has been colder than usual.
@@billsmithingell7902 The difference is all those changes were shown to give clear benefits. Electric cars or trucks are not doing anything new and the benefits are not a winning combination. The stupid thing about electric cars or trucks is that they use a battery; They still need a fuel to generate this electricity. Meaning there is the use of coal, gas, oil or uranium. Now you have added the environmental problem and the inconvenience of the battery for what benefit? Less maintenance, less noise and maybe less cost. These cars will be throw away eventually because of the battery; maybe after around 20-25 years and when this reality is known and is factored into the dynamics; Mass production of EV's will be more problematic then it is worth. Australia, Europe and parts of the US are struggling to generate enough electrical power as it is. Unless there is a major breakthrough in technology; Problems are on the horizon. EV's have their place, but it is a place that plays to its advantages.
I feel the same...100 years from now..on the interstate he is..diesel trucks will be the backbone of the freight industry in America..there is no logical arguement..or total replacement of in my opinion...a invention to mankind second only to the wheel..my only regret..is I can't be there to say (I told you so)!
Follow the smart money. Look into the billions being poured into RNG. Hyliion’s Hypertruck ERX is going to dominate this market as its the only true long haul solution.
Also one thing to mention is how a battery fire is nearly impossible to stop, big cng and hydrogen tanks rupturing would result in catastrophic explosions so safty is a serious concern for all alternatives, also BEV carry all their weight all the time and are much heavier meaning that they use much more joules of energy to move around than diesel or alternatives meaning that in just raw energy consumption they are incredibly inefficient
Hyliions ERX will put the diesel engine to bed
This is the most biased "scientific" video I've ever watched. Keywords like "overly" instead of just restrictive emission standards, it's hard to listen to the science when you're constantly editorializing with a clear agenda instead of just facts.
And the green nutters dont do the same
@@petejohnson1724 exactly, we want facts without the commentary, green nutters like myself hated nuclear, but facts show it's safe and clean for the most part so we changed our minds. If facts show the energy costs to produce electric cars outweigh their efficiency over time we'd look at it but if you cherry pick and have an agenda with the numbers we'll dismiss it.
So what fuel sources do you prefer ?
yeah but he's not wrong for most of it lol
@@petejohnson1724 dont act like a child "waa they did it first!"
0:10 Said "1987" instead of 1897 for Rudolf Diesel.
We came a long way in 36 years 😆.
@@lightningrod791able 36 years?
If it was actually 1987 instead of 1897 for Rudolph Diesel... for how far we've come in such a short time...was a joke
His nose here is more 'red' than Rudolf The Red Nose!
Hyliion ERX is the only viable solution that will allow fleets to stop using Diesel engines.
As a carrier I was goin go to order one. There’s a small problem and a big problem with it.
The small problem it’s twice as expensive as a new diesel.
The Big problem is that it’s “Significantly” heavier than a diesel. Majority of my customers want max cargo weight available.
I ordered a new diesel truck until they refine the product.
As an industrial vehicle tech, if all the dead battery/low voltage issues I have seen with just under 2000 machines, can only image the lack of knowledge that there really is when caring for a battery with proper charging. That and a other problem that gets the operators, charged the battery that was at 30% capacity to get a 100% after 15-30 minutes only to have the battery drain really fast for some reason. That is called residual voltage, not it's true voltage after it cools.
The statement that CNG only produces 20% Carbon-dioxide less than Diesel is false. Per unit of energy, burning Natural gas (methane) produces 1/2.4 the Carbon-dioxide of diesel. The world's first Diesel engine ran on "peanut oil", NOT "fuel-oil".
Another thing they can do is make diesel trucks have a hybrid power train so braking energy is recovered.
Hybrid is definitely the way to go with regenerative braking around town and then on the highway once you reach say 60mph for more than a mile it switches over diesel to charge the batteries and alternate between battery and diesel as needed
Remember that UA-cam has an international audience and US point of view is not a global view. There are some conventions, such as providing figures in metric as well as imperial, which would give your presentations a wider appeal.
I don't think anything could replace the power and reliability of a diesel engine.
No not as it is now
@TruckTropia I have worked with diesel engines that date back to the 60s and use 40s tech. EMD 645 is by far my favorite to work with. They are simple to work on and start up with little to no difficulty.
I'm a Ship's Engineering Officer and I worked on cars during my time off so I have seen a little bit of everything.
@@TruckTropia nobody talks about what battery size is best for longevity , the more parrallels you add the less longveity, but exponentially more energy required in practical situations because energy per weight is low compared to combustion, more energy flow is worse for degradation. see aptera owners club video on saftey, lighter is safer for people in other weaker vehicals in crash without nessesarily being less safe for people inside car. 2 pistons going back and forth on shaft with magnets on it, make electrity to charge electric drive. no dealing with downshifts, no weight balancing of spinning parts and friction, no frequent and large change in rpm, allows small size weight , and weight low to ground to handle more momentum around turns, regenrative braking is less effceint than momentum preservation and energy flow worsens battery longveity.
Only near term practical solution for a full time electric semi would be to have the truck pull into a Bay and the battery removed and swapped out with a fully charged one. Benefit of that solution would be that the battery would be more of a rental subscription which means if it goes bad it wouldn't cost the owner of the truck $50,000-$100,000.
Yeah I honestly don't understand why a battery rental-based solution isn't catching on. It just solves all the problems we currently have with battery powered vehicles. We can standardize on 12V lead-acid batteries for ICE cars, what's so difficult about standardizing on electric vehicles?
My thought is to make it a modular part of the trailer, only keeping a small battery on the truck to move the truck when the trailer isn't attached. This way the trailer is charged while the freight is being loaded.
@@rayztruck1950 That's a brilliant idea if you ask me
@@Stewi1014 because batteries are part of the chassis in a lot of cars and therefore adaptet to the size of said vehicle. You can't put the battery of a Rimac Truck into a Renault Zoe
@@Stewi1014 Patents.
Electric trucks are a cute novelty. The base cost alone is crazy, and short range only makes it nothing more than a glorified local LTL truck.
One thing they should consider is charging on the move, have a dedicated lane with overhead cables to constantly charge the truck, and the battery for driving outside that lane. There are already city buses running on overhead cables like a train does.
I wonder how the cables would do with trucks running at 70 mph. I am sure it can be done but I wonder what it would look like.
Currently, there's no technology to replace diesel except coal and nuclear power. We're lucky to have it. Thank you Rudolf. Murdered 1913. Same year of the creature from Jekyll Island.
As a diesel technician, I can say that when running a new diesel engine in our shop, you can tell just how clean it is. Older diesel engines make your eyes burn, and lungs hurt. The emission requirements for heavy-duty diesel engines made today are plenty enough to make sense for the long term. We just need bio-diesel to take over. Just remember, it's not the engine that needs to be changed. It's the fuel source.
Gasoline engines exhaust will kill you versus diesel engines exhaust making you your eyes burn and lungs hurt.
Yup, just the same as with cars. An old car or a newer vehicle which has had a catalyst delete will make your eyes water. Though diesels with coal roller chips are the worst by far, even worse than a pre-emissions stock diesel. Stand next to an idling coal roller and try to not to gag, and stacks on a coal roller don't help because there is SOOO much unburned fuel in the exhaust that it falls to the ground.
3:35 Says "Lose focus". Text on screen: Loss focus.
What irritates me the most about this topic is that popular opinion seems to say that there should and can be only one answer to which system we use. Realistically using only one system only changes a problem and does not solve it. If the production and use of fossil fuels and combustion engines is reduced, not eliminated, and the production and use of altertative fuels and electrical venhicles is increased, there will be a point where there becomes a balance in environmental impact. Each type of system has areas where they are better than others. If use is limited only to where they are the best solution, and not where they are not, then it would be the best solution. There is no one size fits all solution when it comes to the different systems available.
Two words: Hypertruck ERX
4 words: Climate Change is FAKE!
Three words, waste of money.
A yes.
One of those industrial scam to scam people knowing nothing about the industry.
I read at there homepage, there was a number of factually errors right of the back.
@@tedmoss Excactly! 👍
The future is definitely an EV powertrain for class 8 semi trucks. The question will be how is that accomplished. Instead of a huge battery bank, the size of the battery can be made smaller (ie environmentally friendlier solution) when leveraging renewable energy like RNG with a range extender as available with the Hyliion ERX. The transportation industry will begin pushing away from diesel with additional government mandates in the US. It’s up to companies to create innovative solutions and not just carry on just because that’s how it’s always been done. The pivot away from diesel will be an exciting transformation.
Or with alternative fuels or solutions
I don't think so diesel is just superior to electric in everyway. Diesel may be replaced in the next century but not in the 21st century.
BIO fuel has a couple of big problems. We have to take massive amounts of farm land out of food production which can lead to wide spread famine. Also many countries are now placing new restrictions on farming which will also impact their productivity.
Food production makes up only a small proportion of farmland usage. With ethanol, the corn was going to be animal feed and you still wind up with animal feed as that part of the corn isn't used for ethanol. At worst, you move farmland from one non-food crop to another non-food crop.
The planet is fine... the people are fucked. - George Carlin
look at america, they still have semi pulling competitions, drag race and log pulling competition.
I had to do a double take on the first few seconds when I heard the narrator misspoke 1987 for the invention of the Diesel engine.
Most of the emissions equipment has also come at a cost of reliability. Manufacturers have had to work extremely hard to keep their trucks reliable enough for the owners to actually make an income. The emission systems are the least reliable pieces of equipment on most modern trucks. I'd like to see what type of emissions come out of the tail pipe during a regeneration cycle.
emissions during regen cycles are no worse, the regen is burning up the soot to a level where it's no worse than the particulates that are small enough to pass through the DPF
If a battery for a Tesla ev car costs 30k to replace imagine the cost for a semi lol lol
I believe it’s more like 15k but yea expensive
Isn't the warranty for it 10 years?
Trying to push for a one-size-fits-all is too much of a trouble. I support CNG and ethanol, but I consider pointless to ban Diesel engines.
"The state of Washington" shows picture of Washington DC with famous monument in front.
The most important thing to do is demand less, reduce as much as we can wasting any and all materials and things we use.
How many more decades of service will a vintage diesel engine give you compared to it's DEF guzzling replacement?
1:17 . . . "The State of Washington" that is on the west coast , while showing a picture of Washington DC on the east coast.
Long live the internal combustion engine. Rudolf was a genius.✝️🇬🇧
How about we just let the market dictate what fuel is the best. Instead of letting politicians force bad ideas on us.
200000pound pulling capacity and range over 600 miles, chaging 45 min to 100%, battery size under 2 cubic feet and weight under 800 pounds and 700-800hp. Those are parameters that need to be filled if we want to stop using diesel
Hyliion checks all those boxes
Long haul solution is going >back< to primarily using trains. Staying on trucks for long haul for this long isn't just the trucker unions but also the oil industry. The oil industry is the chef reason the US has moved away from mass transit starting in the 1950's.
And now we just throw away the whole truck every year instead!
Hyliion Hypertruck ERX is the best available solution, recommend everyone look into it.
Tesla is the best solution, let everyone know it.
@@tedmoss It's by no means the best. Hyliion ERX beats it on payload capacity and range. Even emissions when you consider well-to-wheel perspective.
@@tedmoss Elon is a loser
@@AndriusRut tesla Semi will soon scape production, when it does and cost of Diesrl fuel goes up the Tesla Semi will be king in local deliveries , the Tesla Semi has 3 drive motors not 4 , update your info .ROI and Maintenance on BE trucks will beat diesel costs.
You are all fools. A battery based long haul semi will never be more efficient or green than regular semis. The cars aren't even more efficient or green
All I know is diesel is a commodity that we, as humans cannot go without. We are completely dependent on it. Everything you own and use was brought to you by diesel in one way or another. The governments of the world will destroy us trying to get rid of it.
Currently there's no solution that fits all applications. And none of them are perfect. Each has their own unique pros and cons. So the future will most likely be a mix of different technologies.
You wonder why Bio-Diesel gets no attention? I had a no start complaint. Our company recommends our drivers to add only %5 Bio-Diesel in our trucks. Well he filled it up with it. The amount of algae and moss and shit was unreal. New Infectors, Lines, Pumps,etc it started adding up. We recommend 0 Bio-Diesel now.
Your diesel history recites many reductions in diesel pollution. Despite these, diesel propulsion (even "clean diesel") is simply a slightly different restatement of the gasoline engine and its pollution problems.
Yes, almost any emerging technology passes through a series of obstacles, and electric and hydrogen are no exception. However, the fundamental difference between diesel, gasoline and CNG, on one side, and electric, on the other, is we cannot afford their fossil-based pollution. Obviously, we cannot afford greener energy sources, either, without solving their own waste and atmospheric pollution issues.
There is a very limited amount of CO2 and methane the Earth can absorb before it falls into an unrecoverable, unlivable condition. We are literally destroying the natural environment on which we must depend for our survival.
I would have preferred if the script was not so biased, such as using the word "demonize", and adding word "overly" before "strict emission standard(s)".
even removing the def and it's specific parts from a modern diesel you'd still have a large improvement in emissions.
I look forward to not inhaling diesel fumes ever again.
Most of the countries in the world could give two shits about pollution. Hopefully electric trucks will get the job done.
I believe money speaks more than commonsense and knowledge, I don't think the diesel engine will disappear anytime soon! At least not in the US!
From what I’ve heard, ships and freight trains are far more fuel efficient than trucks so what we could also do is reduce the amount of cargo transported on a truck (unless if absolutely necessary of course), and carbon emissions can be easily reduced. Better for truck drivers too since their job is super tough and ships and trains carry far more cargo than trucks putting some of the highways
Most of American electricity comes from fossil fuel-powered power plants, so it will never break even, unless we switch to nuclear.
I'll tell you what new technology can't beat is the old CAT purring and the jake brake rumble!
I would prefer the diesel engine running on biofuel because electric batteries are hazardous to breakdown and hydrogen isn't ready yet
In 1987 Rudolph Diesel invented the Diesel engine? I was listening to it in the background and was like, "What?" The text was right. Other than that minuscule error, good video!
How many watts are necessary to accelerate a semi at an acceptable rate? How powerful of a motor can be packed in the hub of each wheel? On the drive shaft? What size / weight engine is required to power them? What size / weight super caps to absorb charge while at low load to boost performance as needed while keeping the engine at a near constant load? Does it need batteries with a shorter lifespan but much higher charge capacity per volume/weight?
The 500-mile limit to the Tesla Semi covers 80% of all trucking hauls in the USA. The pro-oil and pro-diesel bias just screams off the video.
Yes it should be phased out simply to save our cities, from the noise, smell, and pollution both gas and particulate.
Why couldn't an older mechanicaly injected diesel run on HVO? You can already run them on waste motor oil, transmission fluid, fry oil ect. If it can combust, and if the injector can spray it, an older diesel should be able to run on it just fine.
Anyone know what CA and Washington's plans are to generate all this newly needed electricity?? CA already has rolling blackouts in high use times during the summer.
I wanna know how good cars are gonna go in WA when the winters start to hit, how many people are gonna get stranded on snow-covered roads when their batteries fail on them.
@Dhalin that is a fair question. When I lived in western NY there were weeks that were so cold I had to bring my regular car battery inside at night so it would start in the morning.
At least you could get a jump if your ICE battery fails. What are you gonna do if you're in an EV and your battery fails? lol
Diesel is a relic of the past. Electric engines are inherently more efficient and simpler to maintenance and manufacture than diesel. The Tesla semi is a marvel of engineering that needs to be appreciated. All automotive manufacturers that have moved electric have bathed in the cash. There’s no turning back now. The world will go electric or die.
The trucking industry as a whole is traditionally very slow to change. A perfect example is the air disc brake vs drum brakes. There's no way unless government regulations require to replace the diesel engine. How much does an electric truck weigh? The heavier the empty weight the less the cargo. Decades or more away from a reasonable alternative.
Personally I like hybrid and hydrogen. If we can make hydrogen fuel cheaply and environmentally friendly, a vast majority of diesel engines can be converted to hydrogen while increasing fuel economy and power. Hybrid cars are extremely reliable for the most part, and are the most reliable category of vehicle, ahead of diesel, gas, and on the very bottom of reliability, electric.
But the 1988 truck is still on the road and the new ones are broke down with DPF and DEF problems waiting 4 months for parts. These new “clean” Diesel engines have been an absolute nightmare for guys who depend on them to feed their families. The only people who like them don’t own one and have never had to deal with constant breakdowns, tow bills and missed loads while the truck payment and insurance bill still needs paid. No doubt they are “cleaner” but it’s come at a massive cost which is east to ignore when you aren’t the guy suffering.
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Pity the video producers didn't actually say how ( with numbers etc) dirty deisel are, y' know like pm2.5 etc.....
I don't think its fair that Jamaica can allow their semi trucks roll coal and has next to no environmental laws for gas and diesel engines meanwhile our trucks have to meet all these emissions standards...
It is also a smaller country. And, you know, a very impoverished one.
0:10 it's not 1987 like the off voice sais, it was 1897 as you can see in the video
200k in fuel savings, but how much of that savings get diverted to exorbant maintenance costs that you wouldn't normally spend with a conventional diesel?
Your information is incorrect if anything it increases CO2 emissions the DPF uses more fuel to then burn the carbon soot at higher temperatures so not too see them later on after the emissions check that is what the DPF does, a Larger turbo, higher power injection like at Higher Pressure with the 2 stage that CATs have is about 50% efficient the most you will get out of an internal combustion engine. What we need is room temperature superconducting technology. That is 100% efficiency is all aspects. However the governments of the world make more money taxing Energy than the oil companies that get it out of the ground and that is the problem. The so-called carbon taxes is just another way to make money off energies. Molten Salt Reactors with nuclear power is the way to go, they are 98% efficient and small, they can solve the energy problems and are very clean, can run on nuclear waste or thorium. CO2 emissions from us is not causing climate change, what melted the last ice age was not Ford, or Toyota. The Tonga eruption put out more Greenhouse Gas in two days then the USA has done in 7 years. We need to get off oil cause of the cost, and efficiency and pollution of air , land, and sea, but it is all we have now, room temperature superconducting technology should be researched first, EV’s will never work without it, then everything will change overnight just like semiconductor technology changed the vacuum tube.
The emissions since 2008 just make the engine run worse, polluting more.
Sure when new they farther out cleanish air, but once they wear down they are far worse. And still don't set a check engine light.
I'm Sure in 10 years no one will buy a truck with a Diesel engine any more.
Even if a better fuel comes along. We will still need diesel for about 20 years or so. Because the engines last that long!
Electrical grid is going to need a huge upgrade in a lot of areas to handle the extra need for electricity. I think they are putting the cart in front of the horse so to speak.
Full battery operated electric vehicle are environmentally friendly seems like a hoax
Video begins with “In 1987”. I thunk the voiceover guy was a tad dyslexic
Batteries require lithium, a limited resource. So replacing all trucks with electric trucks may not be a real solution. Diesel engines are mainly made of iron and aluminum and can be mass-produced.
The dominant element in a diesel truck is carbon. The fuel used by a truck outweighs all the othe stuff over the life of the truck. a Semi uses, at best 50 l/100 km, and a litre is about 900 g, so it uses 0.45 kg per km... which is 1 lb of fuel per km. ... so say the max weight of a truck in North America is 80,000 lbs, so after 80,000 km. or 50,000 miles, most of the "weight" of the vehicle is the fuel.... that would happen in a couple of months.
I worried that the mining activity would cause another problem.
Driving mining vehicles and smelting raw materials also consumes resources and impacts the environment.
In 2014 they made a huge studdy in the mid size city gothemburg in sweden about NOx. And it turned out that only 24% was from traffic, and of that, half was from comersial vehicle.
But more importantly, only 25% was from Euro 5 and 6, 75% was from euro 4 or older.
Now 10 years later there will be hardly any euro 4 and older left so the NOx from cars and trucks are probobly in the range of 5-8%. Totaly eliminating them will have hardly any effect what so ever.
So where was all the NOx from. The lagest part was large ships in the harbour. Smal engines was a suprincingly large part and fire (like fire places) was also notable, as well as powerplants. Smaler source emotion was work equipment like diggers. It's likely that due to them as well have to conform to euro emissions, that will also be reduced over time, but a bit more slowly due to they generally have a longer life span.
So what did we learn about NOx.. its a decreasing problem. Its mostly so from smal and unregulated sources and combating it in vehicle is really no longer realistic.
The part they won't tell you.... My 1998 freightliner fld with a Cummings M-11+ got 7.2 mpg over the 1.8 million miles I drove it and that was 95% loaded miles. My 2018 freightliner, emissions controlled,only 50% loaded miles, gets 6.2 mpg. That goes down to 5.3 when the temperature is below 30 deg F. Why because emissions suck fuel. Any way you look at it, the #1 polluter is ships burning bunker fuel. The #2 jet aircraft. Both put far more pollution in the air every year than all of the trucks of even the 70's and 80's ever did.
We have LNG fuel at work they claim they can run for miles but as soon as you put weight on them the fuel just doesn’t last also we struggle on weight a lot as it puts a lot of weight on the trucks axles
We do too, I can not go out tramping in one. Lucky if you can get 600 miles out of a tank.
LNG is mostly usable for short fixed routes and near area distribution. And electric for light city distribution. Diesel is king for some more years for long haul and heavy loads. Trying to pull a 60 or even 74 ton truck in mountains in 10 hour shifts is not yet possible with any alternative fuel. And then driver number 2 takes over for another shift.
Natural gas has only 21,000 btu per gallon, where gasoline has 116,000 btu per gallon
@@blackhawk7r221 Your information is useless unless you tell us at what pressure and temperature you mean. Because at normal temperature and pressure, you can't handle it like diesel and gasoline. Maybe you are talking about what comes out of your gas stove, the one that's about to be banned.
We are still some decades away from diesel being fully replaced. That said I think especially in the likely scenario where the recharging infrastructure and general electrical infrastructure isn't ready to handle the load by the end of sale dates set by the various governments we will see the return of hybrid trucks.
They will give increased mileage and provide a platform to refine battery tech without the range limitations of pure electric and provide an essential stepping stone that has been tossed aside by the environmentalists.
As for Hydrogen I think this is the fuel that the trucking industry is hoping will get more support because it follows the familiar "drive-refuel-drive more" cycle of current trucks without the major waiting times of pure electric. Again it faces infrastructure hurdles but at least isn't also limited by wider electrical grid hurdles as well.
There will be no electric "hurdles" grid or otherwise.
@@tedmoss The current brown outs in places pushing hardest for electrification like California say otherwise and the denial of the infrastructure issues is the highest form of dishonesty in any support or proposal of electric vehicles.
Electric will have its place as a city truck but heavy haul guys just laugh. A friend who does heavy haul was hauling over 200k lbs and was averaged 125l/100km lol that engine was working hard
Well the long haul could be taken by Railroads which are far easier to electrify for long distance as you don't have to worry about batteries, then just transload at a local team track to local trucks for transport. with containers this would be reasonably easy to put into effect.
@@johnkuzma7066 If it were that easy, we'd already be using rail as a primary hauling method. But it seems to me, there's a reason why we don't... I don't know, like, there isn't rail everywhere? Like, I know of two places that there's a railroad. Said places are 30 minutes apart, and I don't even know where the nearest trainyard even is. It's probably more than 500mi. A diesel truck can go anywhere you have paved road. A rail can't, and of course you need to account for the extra energy, time, and cost to load/unload. If you're using a diesel semi, you load it once at its origination, and unload once at its destination. If you use a rail to semi, you have to load a semi at its origination, unload at a trainyard, ship it via train to unload it at another trainyard to load onto another semi, then unload at the final destination. This requires energy, probably forklifts that run on gasoline.
0:12 Thank you for spelling the producer M-A-N instead of stupidly saying "man" like in most english spoken videos!
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CO2 and carbon particles are not dirty but fertilizer.
1:17: Really? Here's a hint: When trying to present information as factual, don't put the picture of a famous monument in the District of Columbia is the segment talking about the state of Washington.
It's all about driverless trucks. This is why the diesel is being faded out.
The electric vehicle is easier to make driverless then a diesel engine.
Because then the driverless truck don't need to start a motor. It just has to turn on. Easier function.
But my biggest gripe is the destruction of forest to put in massive solar panels fields. So then destroy woods to save planet. Sounds like a good idea to me.
If we just go hemp. We would have the issues of infrastructure, electric not working, and many other problems that I just can't think of right now.