Kronii Talks About Paying for her 3D Live Out of Her Own Pocket... 【Kronii / Hololive EN】
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One of the satisfying Kronii moments is when you get her to say she's gonna kill you
Some already into it. Imagine dying then restore back multiple times.
Considering how much these things cost, and the likely lack of profits that come from them, it makes sense. It makes sense to Cover that 3D lives should have multiple members so the audience is wider. I mean, if they paid for them, and every member wanted one in a month, then that would mean millions of dollars for no profit.
That's why talents often release so many birthday merch. That's where the money is.
@@TempestaDominus Mhm exactly this, the birthday merch ideally pays for the costs and also generates profits.
Outside of that there probably is an absurd amount of work that goes into a 3DLive from the logistics, the staff, and the talent.
HLmems from what it seems primarily do 3D concerts to give back to their fans.
The only true money sink in my opinion are cover songs, where there's 0 profit since it can't be monetized because they don't own the rights to the song and often create music videos for it.
@@imLumineux Cover song CAN be monetized. Most of the time it was a matter of either licensing fee or profit sharing agreement. The issue is, most of the time, the return money ain't that big unless you hit hundreds of thousand or millions view.
Meanwhile, the music video itself cost what, 2-3 million yen to make? So yeah, not worth it overall.
From a business perspective the concerts exist to gain a short window of high level visibility and community engagement, which is then directed towards merchandise releases, which is what pays for the concert and more. You set up a 3D live for your birthday, and during that you plug your new birthday merch.
if it were niji, u would call it a black company.
This is why Fauna didnt do a 3D birthday herself since they're very stressful to pull off. My respect towards the kronster increases everytime just like my
I don't even wanna ask.
Stressful probably about the concept/theme for that 3D stream.
Mumei said it in her recent membership stream. When u do the 3D, u need to have a theme. And it's not a secret. Obviously it's general logic for any stream.
That's maybe why for Fauna's birthday stream.
Also, for council/promise, they obviously always do the 3D council/promise anniversary. If they dont do the 3D birthday, they do the promise anniv 3D
And I enjoyed Fauna's dungeon birthday much more than a 3D live
@@kurokogia3613I like both
Expensive cos she hire perfect herself..
Perfect kronii herself : but why.
Just the fact that they even GET a 3D debut that's completely covered by the company is a great boon to the talents because they also get their 3D models which they can use on their streams if they so choose. I just hope that all the fans are starting to realize just how expensive these sorts of things are for the talents and that they're doing them MOSTLY to give back to their fans and to show their progression as content creators.
That's why you always saw 3D show paired with a merch shilling so those merch will paid talent back + some profit.
Also Cover can foot the bill to some extented if talent wish for so too.
@@LtZetarnTheir own studio, personnels and experience from past events also cut the already expensive cost by alot too so Cover cover (hehe) quite a good amount for the 3D events.
My oshi is a JP talent and I understand very well how expensive it is to sustain the quantity and quality of content output.
Some advice to overseas fans:
1) sales from merch promoted during the 3D stream help immensely, don't skip on the merch if you couldn't get the limited set
2) Distribute information about best ways to order things from the available options.
3) Encourage your oshi to shill more
4) Don't do "skip ad" jokes in chat during 3D events (I see you ID fans)
Yeah... I find those "skip the ad" jokes in bad taste. Like, how do they expect things to be financially possible if not for superchats and merch? UA-cam advertising money is not nearly enough to cover all these costs. And I get it, merch is expensive, shipping is absurd, but at the end of the day, you can just ignore the shill if you cant buy it or it isn't your interest.
Yeah, I feel you. I'm an ID myself, and.. even I kind of get annoyed by the skip ads joke
Telling people to by the mech is horrible. Do NOT buy into this.
@@Berstich would you care to elaborate
@@Berstichthey literally get more from merchandise then super chat so why shouldn't unless you talking about shipping cost
Just want to give a shout out to the JP girls for doing 1-2 3Ds each for the past 3-4 years. So much time and money goes into each and yet they continue to do them.
And now Cover regulates that every talents got to do 3d project only once a year starts next April.
That could be birthday live or debut anniversary live. Pick only one. Because the staffs couldn't handle it if they were going to do it twice a year. I mean they got over 50 talents with 3D in total.
@@Jubutsu_House_jrI’m pretty sure they still get two it’s just that the anniversary are going to be grouped into generations events instead of individual anniversary
@@georgesisson8351 yes, for now. But for next April onwards.. I don't know. By the way you could see the news on Hololive official X
It seems those more mostly partially covered by Cover, the thing is that fron now onwards there is the rule that "you can only have one 3D live per year, if you want more for other special ocassions like birthdays and the studio is available you need to pay for it in full"
Is it not that they are guaranteed that they can do 3d live for their birthday, mostly because of the packed schedule last year the some members had delays on their lives because of it? Not that they can only have one live per year. Or I just misremembered?
It's "worth it' she says, but she still sounded like it was a painful cost 🤣Recently I heard that Filian paid 100k to do her VTA, it's crazy expensive to do stuff like these dang.
What she properly mean is that it worth it if she only does it once a year or so. The profit aint high but it worths once a year, cant do it so often tho
Filian everyday set cost about 10k each and she broke like 3 4? every year.. 😂😂😂
Mousey said her 3D cost 100k too. But Holo 3D always looks more eich, so i think it's more expensive
Holo probably has a more efficient pipeline by virtue of a lot of their work being inhouse (staff, equipment, holo guests), so they are likely paying a fraction of the cost compared to those people having to commission it. It would be interesting to get exact numbers, but I doubt they will ever release those.
Let's not forget sponsors for VTA. But yeah cover invested a lot for their own studio so it's like paying manufacturers cost for a product vs retail price.
That's the reason not a single ID girl from gen 1-3 doing 3d birthday / concert because the cost just crazy. Af.
Kobo will likely do one for sure.
@@fenrir3097 i think zeta Wil do mini 3d tomorrow
@@fenrir3097i really hope she could but tbh, i doubt it. She rarely stream nowadays which means less money from the supachat & sociabuzz paycheck. Maybe she could somehow ask for sponsorship from the third parties like Universal (her label) or Indonesian companies (coz she's very popular in the country) but idk if Cover could allow that.
The only way i could think of maybe if she could combine her milestones reward from hololive (the 1M & 2M subs) bcoz she said she haven't use it at all and ask for a 3D birthday concert for it. But again, i'm not sure about the limitation on those so-called 'milestone reward' thing, hm..
Unless the girls has the money to burn. Or able to gain sponsors. Is there ever 3D live with sponsors?
Oujou-sama Reine: 👁👄👁
3D is a celebration and more like the way you paid off your fans support. Indies are also doing it and not for profit. Fans supported you whole year, sending superchats, memberships, buying your merchs, watching you often, interacting with you on chat or twitter, etc.
It is a big commitment too. If you followed indies, you will notice some of them even went break for 1 month just to prepare their 3D. Cover got their own studio, staff, and support network so preparing it might be faster and cheaper but it still costs a lot.
Maybe the only 3D that can cover the total cost or even more is graduation live. Coco's 3D graduation is still one of the most superchatted stream of all time.
Considering souchou spent 67k USD on her own 3d live (rent / outsource), expect more for Holo 3d coz of the motion tracking, background details and stage etc, thankfully this is cover's own 3d studio, so they got discount a bit. But still what she got from SC probably only cover 15-30% of the 3D live cost, merch really plays important role for their source of income.
That's why you by merch guys. It's the best way to support the girls
yeah support them, they’re struggling to put food on the table
So we also get to eat real good 🙏
but... but the shipping..... T_T
@@adoniss8404 Not for the food, more for the overhead costs since Cover is a big company. You're money also goes to several employees' wages too
I ain't paying 70$ for a hat, they should really work on that shipping costs or make better merch to be worth it
Kronii really made a big sacrifice for that banger of a birthday stream, thanks a lot Warden 💙But personally, the only thing I'm willing to ask Kronii, or any other Holomember, in return for my support, is just that they care of themselves, and put their happiness before ours, since that's something only they can take care of
Every livestream of theirs is already a reward, so never felt like I needed anything more than that; but if they wanna do something special, sure I'll do what I can to reward them for going the extra mile for us
To the girls it's not about the "profit", 3d lives is a way of thanks for those who supports them and also for their birthdays or anniversaries to be "special".
Marine, Kanata and many more members does their projects like songs, animated MVs, Tournaments, Events and the like is their way of showing gratitude.
So if we want it to be worth their time, effort and money then go watch their projects, talk about it, and donate some spare if you have leeway. It's only worth it if they see the fans are happy and are enjoying what the talents do and the entertainment they provide.
merch is the best way to support them, sc get cut by youtube too much.
@@normalguy5583 It's understandable though. UA-cam is the medium we watch them on and it's free for everyone. It's basically rent. I just think of it as the shipping fee I pay when I buy their merch.
No it absolutely is about profit. It is also about giving thanks. Both of those can be true at the same time. If they didn't make profit out of these, they would run out of money to do them, because it wouldn't be financially sustainable. And yes sometimes they do passion projects that do not make a profit, but that is off the backs of projects like these that do generate the profit required to pay for the costs.
@@DaShikuXI They often don't make any profits for the MVs and songs. Profits that they could make are from merchandise and superchat, sponsor streams and various other projects they do for the company and sponsors. The songs and MVs often dont return any profits.
@@DaShikuXI I think you might be mistaken atleast in the way you're saying things; things like MVs and events are "loss leaders" if anything in that they cost a ton and make next to nothing back *themselves*, however the increase in attention and potential new eyes onto their channels, and hololive, can make up for that
That being said I don't believe they would do these for the purpose of money directly as if they wanted more money there are many MANY easier was to do that (sponsors, merch, personal events without the need of paying support staff, etc); the event, MVs, and 3D lives are indeed passion projects most of the time and if there is any financial benefit it's purely from them being loss leaders or a happy side effect of them doing well~
You can even see Mumei, Calli, and several others taking art commissions when they want to fund a project; you wouldn't really do that if you thought the project was going to make the money back by itself xD
I remember Kson talking about spending 10M yen for her 3D concert, and that basically they pay for it knowing in advance that its going to be an economic loss, but they do it for the fans.
thats why we gotta buy the birthday/anniversary merchs, i think its the best way to support them when they do this 3D concerts
I forgot which indie said it but an hour of 3D Live costs upwards of $20k, depending on how much tracking you want in it. So it could be worth it if you know your audience will dump supas during your birthday or anniversary live. (Koyori fanbase shells out $30k++ in a single 3D live)
…Doesn't Hololive own the entire studio, all the trackers, and everything?
@@TheGreatAtarioYea. Which is why is probably doesn't cost $100k like Iron Mouse's concert. Guarantee the prices could be so much worse if everything was 3rd party. I imagine the logistics, planning, and song rights alone cost a pretty penny...
@@TheGreatAtarioThe problem is that if you're an indie you'll pay more than the hololive members, for example UI mama's 3D Loli stream, it could be around 10k usd to 100k usd, actually hololive offering a cheaper price than other studios, not to say if you're doing 3D at USA or NA, it will cost you more than Hololive studio, that's why Hololive will open studio at USA too if i remember correctly
@@rexx5031 Well… what I'm getting at is that it shouldn't cost anything, since Hololive benefits from the live as much as the talents do
@@TheGreatAtario If you pay attention to twitter after 3D, you will see that many assets are being outsourced. Instumentals, background, dancers, maybe even song perms, and many more. Cover only have help to push down studio rent studio and staff cost.
There aren't many better things to splurge on then 3D lives so might as well. Appreciate ya
She is so sweet, i hope she made her money back but, the experience of watching her certainly is worth it.
it was TOTALLY worth it, I mean we got 2 Kroniis for once
Considering the fact that she probably made thousands of dollars in the span of that 40 minuet stream I never knew 3D stuff was that expensive. I thought it was just cameras and sensors needed for that stuff.
Hololive can really brag about how good they are when in comes to scouting and selecting the best girls that have ever live. Imagine a greedy person in Hololive, imagine someone who only thinks in money and she's there just for the money. Impossible to imagine cuz they don't exist in Hololive.
They are all about giving back to the fans. Hearts of gold every single one of them.
I mean this information isn’t new. A lot of the JP members have touched this subject frequently. You also get a rough estimate of the cost because, again, JP members have talked about this.
The only information that hasn’t been leaked or known (to my knowledge) is the revenue splits from these personal projects. I would assume that Hololive gets very little money from them, but that’s just wishful thinking.
If the stream is monetized, it should follow the usual rules. On merchs, Cover is known to take only a small cut (that's why the JP talents heavy focused on projects release merchs like machine-guns).
Do you know what the rough estimate on cost is?
@@ryokhan7056 what? Cover only takes a small amount? Isn't the characters are owned by Cover (not the talents), therefore most of the revenue from merch will go to Cover?
@@budiisnadi based on an old freetalk from Coco (and that was confirmed by other talents with less details), talents get the most from the the net gain of merchs (= gross gain - production costs), while Cover gets only a minor fee. How much is this minor fee is up to debate, but Lamy in another clip pointed up that they gets way more from merch than from Superchats.
Since is common knowledge that Cover takes half of the net gain from SC (= the donos - 30% taken from UA-cam), it means that the fee on the merch is inferior to half of the net gain, by a lot. Again, net figures can't be given (since they are under contract I guess it would be an NDA), but you can piece parts together.
TL;DR no. Talents gets the most of the net gain from merch.
@@budiisnadi I don't know if it's necessarily that Cover takes a smaller amount from merch sales compared to other stuff, so much as it is that it's just a more efficient stream of revenue for the individual talents. For example UA-cam (and potentially Apple too, if you do it through an iphone I think) get a cut of superchats before it ever even gets to Cover.
Merch sales don't need to be split with companies outside of Cover, and in general are more consistent. You never know how many superchats you'll get over any given period of time or how much money those supers will contain, but you can reasonably expect merch drops to get sales with every sale being at the same flat price.
You know what that means?
"BUT WHY, BUT WHY, BUT WHY, BUT WHY, BUT WHY, BUT WHY, BUT WHY, BUT WHY, BUT WHY, BUT WHY, BUT WHY, BUT WHY"
Not just expensive
But waiting line is more than 14 month
Not anymore thankully due to the new policies, but still
Yeah. Also remember that it's not only talents who need break. Even staffs do too.
@@SpookyTree255 yeah… it’s still abt the costly price
We need to see how it implemented this year since it starting from April @@SpookyTree255
@@marcell_forchannel3985exactly, the staff needs a break too. Talent may do 1 3d show that week, but that may not be the same for the staff.
I'm glad to see so many calm people in the comment section here.
When it comes to money, there are baseless opinions that companies should pay their talent more, but Cover does.
Last year's average talent compensation was approximately 530,000 USD.
The average is higher for JP members who have a lot of corporate projects and super chats.
Since the expenses for their activities start from here, the talent themselves are not that rich, but they do not have to worry about living.
She probably has better things to do than spend money on 3D streaming.
It should be respected.

When I argue against this practice, its not about the company giving enough to the talents. Ofc Holo talents make a lot of money. To me it's about ownership. Kronii just spent a lot of money on this, but Cover owns it. How many 3D lives did Mel pay for over the years and now they're gone because of her termination? That's where the problem lies for me.
@@guilguis4820I think that's just the cost of time. I love watching Kaela, but I never watch a single VOD from before 2023. Two years worth of content. While yes, they'll be deleted, realistically there's few people that'll rewatch it. Moreover, there is an actual archive for all vtuber content.
I can understand some of what you say.
Mel's dismissal was unavoidable and was resolved between the company and herself, but from a fan's point of view, I wanted an archive of her memories to remain.
When it comes to money, Mel pays for the content she creates, but the company also pays for promotions, managers, modeling, etc.
If she fights for her rights, she will be responsible for the loss.
Since the company prepared a vtuber called Mel Yozora for her activities, there is no way she could continue her activities as she is.
These are the advantages and disadvantages of being an individual vtuber.
She signed the contract after understanding the disadvantages.
She is no longer Mel, but she is still streaming. I'm watching it too, and it's popular. That's what she got.
Mel's channel disappeared because if it was made public, the rights not only to her but also to the illustrators, music, games, etc. would be acquired.
Who will pay for it, manage it, and maintain it? Emotions don't solve the problem.
@@guilguis4820 And whats the point of owning it Mel cant use the model anyway and most people wont ever click on it after her termination. This is like those hoarders who just hoards and forget about it. And Mel definitely dont want her true fans(not the sympathizers who only watch clips) to be clinging to her old avatar anyway and accept she got a new vtuber model.
@@gladewings1192 if she owned it, she wouldn't care if you clinged to the past. She could proudly say that was her, that those things she achieved were her so there'd be literally no problem there. The point of owning it is also deciding what happens to it. Mel is gone, like she was never there. All that money she spent, poof. I find it hard to believe any content creator would want their work and money to just disappear over night.
Really makes you think how much JP earns considering they do it almost twice a year.
especially Aki with her High budget many guests and shit.
Well, Their income can be said to be quite large if you count the number of super chats and Adsense itself, which is already a lot, not to mention the sales of their merch are also very large.
Maybe a few months' salary is enough to make 3D live.
Travel expenses and lodging. JP members don't have to worry about them.
Japanese girls aren't getting taxed twice either.
Their viewership can be 10x EN and more than 10x ID talents. They can afford it.
I dunno how does tax work in Japan, but I read somewhere that 3d live is a good way to burn money so the talent's income does not get over certain thresholds and get into certain tax bracket.
Let's say if your income is 29.999.999 yen annually, your tax is 35%. When it got to 30mil, it got into 50% tax bracket.
So it makes sense if the talent wants to keep their income within certain threshold annually.
Don't take those 3D streams for granted 💙
Well for those people who thinks its weird their 3Dlive birthday and anniversary is categories as "want" not "need" while their 3D debut is what categories as "need" so Cover pays all of it. In short individual talent who wants their personal project needs to pay it themselves company projects needs to be paid by Cover.
And those "but they still dont own anything" thats not the point for them in doing it. And whats the point of owning it anyways other than nostalgic reason for fans and even if Kronii graduated she definitely dont want her fans to be clinging to her old avatar that she cant use anymore and will want them to move on with her new model.
PS. also its not like Kronii needs to delete every copy of it on her harddrive because she doesnt own it she can still watch it forever.
is it monetarily worth it ?
emotionally it is givi-
"it is not, financially worth it" (narator voice)
They make a lot of money off their celebration goods.
Just even more respect to Kronii o7
Wish i could buy her merch, but the shipping is more expensive than the merch.
Think of it this way:
They don't force her to pay for it - they offer their connections and administrative help for an event she initiated.
If she had to organize everything from top to bottom, it might have effectively ended up several times as expensive. Stuff like finding a venue, planning a schedule, commissioning or licensing all the small assets, finding a team for every aspect, coordinating everyone involved, promoting the whole thing... Even if we assume she paid "retail" price on everything (probably got significantly better deals through association with Cover), the additional work hours that would have required would be time you can't put into other tasks - so you'd effectively miss out on any earnings you would have otherwise made in that time.
The history of Suisei already cover this. Not about 3D Live specifically but the role between the talent and the company. She explains why she need to join a company to expend her channel.
Kronii could just do a few more NPC streams to cover the cost! TOTALLY worth the complete and utter sanity loss I'm sure. TBF if she priced things a bit more she could probably make a lot more money doing those if she REALLY wanted to.
Yeah
BUT WHY?
Usually the merch salea would be covered the expense of 3D studio just fine.
But still a big money nontheless.
Another thing is that talent can ask the funds to some extented and they can paid back later like 0% interest loan.
@@anhkduc7930 stop 😭 now i remember
@@brilleon it's okay, you've been a very good kronie
3D NPC STREAM?
Lol she said the Eggman quote
The 3D was amazing!
*"I'm gonna kill you... and then kill you"*
But why- I mean, I guess Kroniies die when they are killed xD
Respect for Kronii and other Holomems, they might not get their money's worth, but they're doing it for us not themselves 😭
Lol, I was scrolling through the comments and she said it at the same time I was reading this.
Easy, men! She kill, rewind time and kill again!
She's gonna kill you, then reverse time and do it again.
Girl, you should have save up for a house first before your 3D
Maybe to anyone outside of JP is even more expensive bc you have to add travel ticket and the hotel/food. Just a guess thou
sorry, but that made me laugh, because it sounds like JP members dont eat food.
Wild how these 3D riggins can cost as much as second-hand/used cars
And then there is the actual ojou sama of Hololive, Reine.
I guess this is an easy way to see which members make the biggest bag. The question i have is how much the talents get from holofest? Cause thats probably all on the company.
You can check their financial reports.
Top talents got like 2.5m usd yearly or something.
Could you please specifically point to where you got that from?@@LtZetarn
the talents are given a compensation to attend certain events like the fes. they indeed dont have to pay for it, afaik.
@@comradeofthebalance3147Not sure on the specific numbers offhand, but Cover posts its quarterly financials on their website. If you go through them they have sections with talent remuneration, etc. They've shown some charts with the top 20 odd members w/o names of course.
Well the cost is absolutely expensive and good that Kronii give the best of the best birthday stream 😊👏
Considering cover has its own studio they should cover a percentage of the cost. Just like they get a percentage of all the Supa Chats…
Sure they may not make as much money but their company wouldn’t be a company if it wasn’t for all these girls busting their asses off
I feel the pain that Kronii's mouth was not moving well with her model.
Man Aki banger 3d live year after other idk how much it cost
It makes sense that 3D streams tends to be short like at least an hour.
It's great that they get a big cut from other things specially Merch sales, as they tend to become one of the bigger income source for content creators.
But I wish still that they were able to get some support for this things, but realistically is hard/impossible even to have a sponsor, consider that pretty much there's events happening one after the other.
The support in this case though is being able to use the 3D studio, which does use state-of-the-art equipment, and is being staffed by professionals who'll help you every step of the way from the actual motion capture, to the post-processing and compositing, to the audio, etc. Basically the talents are paying to be able to use the studio for their own projects.
@@StrikeNoir105E If they're paying for it then we can't really call it support can we?
@@guilguis4820well, for the same quality of equipment and staff, i *assume* it could be more expensive using 3rd party vendor. So i’d still consider it form of support
@@guilguis4820You CAN call it support, since the studio is quite literally the perfect place tailored specifically for 3D lives. With most of the equipment, logistics, staff, location, the 3D assets, and a lot of behind the scene work being in-house, you're getting the best of the best for a 3D. If not for Cover streamlining most of the processes of making these 3D lives, renting out a studio of that calibre would cost MUCH much more.
@@guilguis4820 lmao do you not know what support means? would you say an assistant doesn't support anyone just because it's their job?
Ohh that's probably why they take down two 3d lives for every year, New rules is 3d live once a year cuz the studio is overloaded that forced other to rent a studio. It's sucks. Yagoo probably have plan to buy another studio.
They still do two 3D events per year in birthdays and anniversaries. The difference is that anniversaries are group 3D now. Taking into account the increase in members and that EN and ID also have access to 3D events having quarantine restrictions removed.
@@adamyami2902 The exact policy is for "individual 3D Lives". The anniversaries are no longer "individual", but a "group" project.
@@adamyami2902 Im talking about 3D solo live.
I am guessing the Hololive talents get a steep discount at using the Cover facility for 3D lives and the like since they are part of the company. But it does cost time and money to staff the studio so it makes sense that it isn't free. But then again these girls make more in superchats in a month what your average person makes in a year so I guess they can afford it.
Aww... she loves us.
I am Kronough
I'm just Kron
hopefully kronii will be able to use that investment for her taxes
Assuming they need to go to the studio to do their 3D that means every non-JP member has to deal with flight costs between home and Cover's studios.
A lot less of a problem for ID, but it can make things pricy for any EN, it's already troublesome for folks on the west coast, but oof for those on the east coast
There's a good reason Bae decided to move there and that both Calli and Irys have been there a long time already xD
dont underestimate the distance indonesia is from japan, still. also obviously the ID members have significantly lower income than EN or JP.
Warden got money.
*Had
Quasonii needs to do more NPC stream to even-out 😂
Orr to fund for more future 3D events 🙏
Do they at least get most of the revenue that is generated by those 3D live events?
It sounds like a little like a dealer. "The first one is free."
All I can say is that it's best not to talk about money because it's often distorted and spread as if it were a fact through speculation, predictions, and delusions.
If they are really dissatisfied with the compensation, they will quit.
To date, no member has quit due to dissatisfaction with compensation. This is simply her complaint that 3D live performances cost too much money.
1:26 2:38 yea
i would assume the payments now becomes like cutting percentage on future supa's or monetize money coming from yt? or cutting from merch money?
Hehe she's love us
Not even best girl yagoo can help with that one
Now imagine, Pekora did her own concert.
I think those are different for starters they are sponsored and paid events
@@rhoide4656Sololives are generally sponsored affairs that aren't free
Kronii’s such a wholesome NPC 😌
i wonder if someone like suisei can do it with sponsors, music label or something?
They don't seem to use sponsors, but it would be a good idea. Suisei is a merch monster, so she is not lacking funds thou XD
As long as cover dont take their cut of the ad sense and SC for that particular live, I think it make sense for liver to pay out of pocket
Except they do. Since the IP and the model is all owned by Cover Corp.
I'm a little confused. Was this done at the hololive studio?
Yes
It's all worth it. Trust me and them.
It's all about the memories they made. It's more important than the money they spent. Once they gone(retired/fired), that's the record of their 3D stream.
I'm glad I'm on this side, imagine if a flesh and blood streamer do something that cost however this much
I curious tho, is it different between holoen management and holojp management? Like, how jp member can do 3d live regularly esp members who like to sing and dance, and yeah some member prefer not to do it.
Because Cover _does_ have a 3D studio in Japan they offer to the talents. They're trying to build in in the US, too.
The initial costs are astronomical, though, and people aren't giving as much money as they used to.
JP members have the luxury of doing parts over a stretch while EN/ID living outside Japan have to do everything in a burst on top of flight costs.
It's a factor in why a few EN girls are moving to Japan
@@ClockworkGearhead they dont try to build a studio in the US anytime soon. the presence they established in the US for the foreseeable future is for localization and merch.
Her pocket money = simps money
Fauna said it
And she also said she would probably never do a 3D live concert or anything like that
Not just for the cost but other stuff too
She never said "would never" thought. Just not right now, which is fair, plus she did a lot in Japan.
Am I imagining it, or does she sound congested?
Yeah she's recovering from an illness.
Wait wasn’t the announcement regarding 3D lives not long ago that every member would be able to have one a year guaranteed for their birthday and the whole point was so there was a for sure time each year the talent and fans could look forward to and it was more fair to everyone? So that’s NOT being provided but they have to pay the entire thing themselves? Very confusing.
That only for the slot for the studio. They have like what 80+ talents x2 thats 160 3Dlives per year just for birthday and anniversary not including the additional 3D recording/live that Cover could be doing like for concert,fes,. So meaning the studio and staff only have like what 1day of preparation and 1day for the 3Dlive = 320days the remaining 40 is not enough for the weekend break for the studio staff unless they doing night shift recording which i dont think they do.
The talent only has the right to use the studio once a year, and it is up to the talent to decide whether or not to use the studio. Of course, if the talent does not use it, there will be no payment.
ENers sure are showing their ignorance.
The most basic no music/etc Live is said to be paid for, but no one wants that so many go for the extras though it varies wildly on the talent as few go as all out as Aki and Astel do on their lives
And its not the same as Niji as for starters, Hololive talents get more input on merch and an infinitely better cut than 2%. That and Cover has their 3d act together even with EN as their 3d EN concert happened unlike NijiEN's which was canceled for iffy reasons.
Lives aren't the only things done at a financial loss; Music videoes too, especially Marine's. But all the same they pay off in intangibles like notable moments, a place to debut a new song, etc.
I wonder what exactly it means that the talents "pay for everything". Because these 3D lives are produced in Cover's studio by employees who are paid a salary by the company, and use the company's equipment. I don't think the talents cover these costs directly. Maybe the way it works is that Cover charges them a fee to use the studio?
And in addition the talents must pay for music rights, dance teachers, thumbnail art, and so on.
If it works similar to how songs works then probably while the talent pay for everything they help her with contact the people she may need
You already said it "Maybe the way it works is that Cover charges them a fee to use the studio?
And in addition the talents must pay for music rights, dance teachers, thumbnail art, and so on."
Those arent cheap
@@gladewings1192 I'm not saying anything is cheap. I just wonder if they have to pay a fee to use the studio or if what they pay is only the additional stuff involved in doing a 3D live, like the examples I mentioned.
Well, everything means everything. We could huff some copium and imagine that "everything" is just some things, but then would it be that expensive? As far as we know they rent the studio just like a third-party would. Maybe Cover gives them a discount and does not include the rent profit in the price, but who knows.
The studio doesn't run on free infinite resources and not all 3dlives are profitable to recoup that cost, that's why every personal projects are footed by the talents. The company lending the studio to the talents is already a massive discount instead of going to 3rd parties and the benefit of everything in one place to save time and stuff.
Sure, there's the whole talk about "emotional payoff" and the whole doing-it-for-the-art argument, but it would still be nice if the talents could at least break even with these events.
with the events themselves no, thats never the case.
but they use it as a platform to advertise their merch to the most amount of viewers and they generally earn well from merch.
these kinds of non-sponsored 3D lives are really just a gift back to the fans first and foremost.
@@srkares Fair point with the merch.
It makes sense in hololive since the members are not employees under cover, but independent contractors, plus, Hololive doesn't own the preson behind the avatar, so they can work on other things in a different name, but if you're an imployee in a company, and you're prohibited from working outside it, the company should provide everything.
Question: Do you guys think Miss Kronii is a little too generous? After all, everyone needed money to survive.
P.S: Can anyone helped me undo the shadowban that happened to me on Miss Kronii's channel?
What exactly did you do to get shadow banned? And how can you be sure you were shadow banned?
@@Tommy9834 I tried to make comments on her streams. However, I never see one of mine popped up on streams at all.
As for what, I did. I don't know. And this is not the first time it happened to me. And from what I heard, it can sometimes happened without even the owners of the channels knowing.
How much is it
Idk they need to pay for it, I alway thought is like a given thing lol
Nothing is free, in the end these vtuber stuff are always business.
@@harfi212and our feelings are the product
I wonder why kronii's merch doesn't sell
is there tldr vid on why so costly? please leave some search words or yt links
3D lives are personal projects aka they'll pay for the personnel bts and the studio.
Staff are expensive. They are with skill to operate a 3D studio still scarce, you couldn't find them on Fiver like the usual blender artist.
It's full production. There are a lot of personnel involved in 3dlive. Then they also have to pay for the studio time which has been fully booked all year round.
@@cucumbermainline bts? also is that within hololive or a side company to be able to do that? how much it differen from vr chat stuff? i uderstand that you need a camera man and a tech and a place with tracking setup also a good model that specific to that(i know thats to do is expencive), i wna know how expencive and why, also why not to have sponsor to that? i know its a personal thing but still...
Just personnel would be a fair bit, I imagine. Studio staff, animators, sound mixers, etc. Then music licensing fees, a choreographer if they want...I can see how it turns into a money sink.
I am curious if they get a bit of a break by having an in-house studio and thus don't have to pay rental fees and what not.
People who can't understand what a personal project be like, oh no why can't a company foot every personal project their employee/talent wants without considering recouping expenses or getting profits to do more in the future
It's not that personal because they still using their company's IP/property.
@@KhoiruunisaRF its still personal, since the project is proposed by the talent not by the company itself. so the talent chose to do so not forced or mandated by the company itself. its entirely voluntary.
@@KhoiruunisaRF an IP that has been placed in their care and they decide how to grow and what direction to take (within limits). as such, yes, it is a personal project, as evidenced by the fact that fauna chose not to have a 3D live this year.
the fes that just happened is not a personal project, its a company one. but funnily, the girls can still opt out, attendance is voluntary and gets compensated.
Kroni is the realest one of all, but hot take I don’t really like 3D? Every one of seen feels like it’s all about the body and movement and more about the gimmicks when I’m honestly just here for the personality. Once you’ve seen a few 3D blooper highlights I feel like you’ve kind of seen the extent of what 3d has to offer at least today
Buy the merch, kids
Maybe with Cover USA, will make it less expensive. It’s definitely the lack of studio. I think
There is no studio to be build in US, it would be a huge waste of money to do so. They are not paying for renting the studio, is the event itself that costs a lot of money. 3D assets, music fees, backup dancers if you want, staff, etc.
The USA Studio will be a money sink, especially since it's going in California. I'll be amazed if it gets used more than a handful of times
they already explained the purpose of the US presence. its an office for localization and other things, its not a studio.
Got it, after a small thought, it makes sense there’s no studio.
But i knew their building based in the US reason was mainly for logistics, events and merch.
I'm beginning to wonder what these companies actually do for their talents
300K subscribers off the bat before even talking live. that's one
Big brand recognition, hololive is the end goal for these vtuber.
Ever notice how in hololive the talent never graduates becoz money problem unlike niji. These girl are making a lot of money on holo.
staff, technical support, industry contacts, promotion, distribution, manufacturing discounts and none scam merch. the company pays for the personal projects but the talent has to cover what ever goes over budget. If the talent goes all out of pocket they get better cut of any money made, though a lot of these projects are losses or break even. Big reason Calli has been able to do as much music, 3D and sponsorships is because cover and UMG. Those opportunities would not happen otherwise
Open up a superchat commission for 1 minute during the 3D Live to help recover the cost.
Who is this girl? Where is kronii?
Pretty weird that the company doesn't pay for at least one 3D event a year for the talents for either their anniversary or birthday, seeing as those are major merch selling days.
several JP members said in the past they do get a small budget from cover, so who knows.
but also its still up to the individual talent whether they even want to do these 3D lives. even if financed, it would be a huge amount of personal stress thats going into it and some may chose not to go for it. so in the end its the fairest way that they have to pay whatever fees for these projects they themselves decide to do.
I thought Cover produced the 3D stuff?
It depends, if Cover is footing the bill, then it's probably a sponsorship deal. But it's for the talents own channel, then they need to figure out how to finance it, like with merchandise or album sales.
@@shibomi1 Not exactly. They are footing the bill for their own personal projects. Cover does it for the 3D streams the company itself decides on.
They have a studio, yes, but not everyone can access it because of scheduling and distance.
@@shibomi1 Cover does offer a 0% interest loan which they take out of the talent's earning down the later month, but it is on the talent to figure out how they can finance their own projects, either sponsorship or via merch.
That’s messed up
So offer a cheaper 3D alternative? You might realize that's just the reality of it once you go broke.
Reality is messed up, but you deal with it
Thing is, Kronii could actually have a 3D birthday payed entirely by Cover, BUT it would meant she used her "once a year only" 3D performance, it seems she's waiting for it to use it later.
Kronii already had her 3D debut showcase payed by Cover. You must be confused or something.
@@adamyami2902 dude, the announcement of the new rules regarding the 3D live from now on also mentions that it doesnt apply to official 3D lives like sponsorships, Hololive events and 3D showcase debuts...
@@adamyami2902 3D debuts are a Cover initiative, and thus Hololive paid for that themselves. Each talent has a "one individual 3D live per year" policy which they can use for essentially free, but in turn they have to choose when to use it. Most talents use it for birthday lives, but they can also use it for something else if they wish. In fact said policy used to be "two per year", but talents were using both for 3D lives and anniversaries, and it was creating a bottleneck in production and stressing out both talent and staff.
No, the talent has always needed to pay for those. The policy is that they can't have a solo Birthday AND Anniversary live. The policy isn't really about budget so much as it is about the studio being overbooked.
This is from the official announcement, pls correct me if I'm wrong.
"As a general rule of hololive production, we will provide one anniversary 3D live stream opportunity per year, which is expected to be used on their birthday. However, based on the talent’s decision, they can do non-3D anniversary streams or 3D streams on a different occasion or project aside from their birthday."
So Cover will "provide" a 3D livestream per year but that doesn't mean Cover will "pay" for the live, right ? So which aspects will they provide for the talents ? Thanks in advance.
I thought that it was the agency that pays for the models
The model yes, the 3D stuff NO
Agency paid for 3D models, 3D debut event, agency event & paid sponsorship event (obviously). But 3D birthday stream on studio isn't mandatory and talents have to paid for themselves. Talent also can held 3D stream on studio for their pets birthday, but they have to paid it by themselves obviously.
Hololive provides the 3D models yes. But a 3D live involves more than just the character model, it involves equipment and skilled personnel being used to create a one-hour performance. And of course talents are basically trying to book a studio that also has more than 80+ other talents wanting to use it, on top of Cover Corp's own projects.
@@StrikeNoir105E considering the amount of indie vtubers with full 3D models its hard to imagine that being very expensive tho... Not any specialist in the topic, but this sounds strange
@@HaruIRAI Only the 3D models, and many indie 3D models tend to not look as good as the Hololive ones. Also, most indies do not have access to a cutting-edge studio able to perform all sorts of amazing special effects for a 3D performance, hence why 3D performances with high production values from indies tend to be few and far between.
I'm glad the 3D live happened but what the fuck are these multi million/billion dollar companies for if they talent has to brunt the front of the cost of doing things THAT WILL MAKE THE COMPANY MORE MONEY.
Well, it doesn't really... 3D concert streams are expensive and they are likely to just lose money - Kronii herself said it, did you not watch it? If they went and foot the bill for the Birthday concert of 87 talents, they would be losing millions of dollars. Cover may be worth 1 billion dollars on the stock market, but that doesn't mean that it makes anywhere close to as much in revenue or profits. They make 135 million dollars in revenue, but only a little over 16 million dollars is actual profit. So they have pretty low profit margins.
In 2019-2022, the girls would get tens of thousands of dollars in SC's on their birthday stream. That was more than enough to cover the costs, and made it a very profitable event. But those days peoples don't have that much disposable income to throw. So even JP talents have a hard time breaking the 10k line. Is just not worth it anymore. Only talents that are ready to incur a lose do it.
What kind of dystopian future leads to one having to do NPC streams in exchange for the ability to 3D lives? She should really reconsider doing the uwu magic instead, it's far less painful.
Sure, but for some viewers uwu might be more painful to watch
Why cover doesn't cover their talent's personal 3D concert?
Well, if it's not costly, time and energy consuming and would bankroupt them, I'm sure cover would mandate and sponsor their talent to do 3D performance on regular basis since it's always red-supa chat rain guaranteed...
Im guessing they dont take Money from these 3D lives
So hololive make studio and holo member is the only consumer? Win-win of course but that crazy for both company and holo member. Sasuga
the outsiders also can rent the studio tho
Let me guess, hololive also takes their full cut of profit even when their talents front the cost.
yes, that's why they can do this multiple times everyear, because they're losing money, that's how it works right?
I'm starting to think why other vtubers and corpos are having a hard time making profit, they're trying to replicate how they "think" how hololive works
@@hashuvan425 Sure champ, post your evidence of talents finances.
You don't know how much they actually make and you don't know much they put back into their channel. The fact is they are paying out of pocket while hololive is already taking a cut of all their revenue. In that scenario then they are paying to work for hololive, lol.
Another agency vtuber made 200k profit and nearly all of that personal profit went back into events, making her basically nothing at end of the year.
Try using your head next time but we both know you won't.
@@1braincellwhm right back at you, post your evidence of how much cut cover get compare to the talents. How much cut they have on their revenue? cover have financial reports online, and their revenue from youtube content is only 30%, and the main channel posts a lot of content and lives. The talent's literally said the 3d lives are not mandatory, and yet you assume cover gets a cut from that?
Again it all boils down to assuming holo follow the same revenue structure as the other ones,
Try using your head next time,
@@hashuvan425You made the claim you provide the evidence.
Your arguments don't even make sense anymore either, "The talent's literally said the 3d lives are not mandatory, and yet you assume cover gets a cut from that"
What does being mandatory and profit cuts have to do with each other? LMFAO
@@1braincellwhm 30% of their total revenue, it's not the holo/talent cut, you dimwit. Only 30% of their total revenue came from youtube, which means they get more money from licensing and merch than youtube content, why do you think that's that case?
Mandatory means they asks you to make profit for them (official projects), non mandatory means it's a personal project and why would you think cover gets a cut from that?