Challenger Approaching: Black Mage in Smash Bros.!

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    Welcome to another episode of Challenger Approaching! In this series, we cover characters who might be invited to a future entry of Super Smash Bros, then go into deep into detail on how they could be designed if they joined the roster for real!
    Our Challenger this time is someone too often overlooked. Square-Enix may have four guest fighters in Smash already, but the company's storied history offers opportunities for plenty more. And while several of its biggest starts are mainstays in newcomer speculation, one of Final Fantasy's very first mascots is only rarely among them. Yet not only is the Black Mage emblematic of a legendary franchise's beginnings, the class--and its instantly recognizable design--codified so much of what makes magic users in Eastern RPGs who they are!
    But how could we combine the Black Mage's many designs and from throughout Final Fantasy into a fighter that embodies the series' best? And how exactly can we carry the spirit of RPG spellcasters into a moveset like none other? Watch and see!
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  • @nilge90
    @nilge90 Рік тому +56

    Vivi is the quintessential Black Mage, the little guy deserves it.

  • @erickmaverick3128
    @erickmaverick3128 Рік тому +111

    I'm surprised there's not many magic users in Smash. Even more surprised there's not even a spellcaster class for the Miis, either. You'd think they'd do that by now.
    The best part about the next Challenger Approaching is that I have no problems with any of the suggestions. ;)

    • @JohnyTheWizKid
      @JohnyTheWizKid Рік тому +17

      That's exactly what I thought of when I added Mii Sorcerer on my own smash ideas. Glad I'm not the only one

    • @JoelTheParrot
      @JoelTheParrot Рік тому +7

      would love to see miitopia's mii mage with miitopia gimmicks like being able to select other miis that help you, especially if make-up is a factor.

    • @aragaminightmare9527
      @aragaminightmare9527 Рік тому +9

      I was kind of hoping for a Mii Sorcerer or even a Mii Archer for a DLC once. Felt the Miis were missing something as the only archetype they weren't in the game were Mages.

    • @fencerderio9814
      @fencerderio9814 Рік тому +5

      The problem with the Mii Spellcaster idea is keeping it from being too similar of a playstyle to Mii Gunner (predominantly projectile based zoning).

    • @snuffysam
      @snuffysam Рік тому +2

      @@fencerderio9814 I think the Mii Sorcerer could focus more on traps… things like Zelda’s Phantom Knight, Snake’s C4, Pac-Man, Duck Hunt, etc. I think that’s an area that could work well with magic (even tho only one of the original characters I mentioned is a mage lol) and it wouldn’t have much overlap with Gunner.
      Also, tbh, the fact that they could add a bunch more mage character skins without forcing them onto the swordfighter (Ashley, Aerith, Viridi, etc) would be worth a little bit of overlap lol.

  • @librathebeautifulwarmonk1283
    @librathebeautifulwarmonk1283 Рік тому +41

    This was dope! You made Black Mage look so cool! He's my main in Smash Flash 2

    • @WinspearUltima
      @WinspearUltima Рік тому +5

      He’s so awesome in super smash flash 2, im glad we have him in the game.

  • @mattr75
    @mattr75 Рік тому +35

    This is a pretty good moveset. Black Mage would be a great rep for the series

  • @grunkleg.3110
    @grunkleg.3110 Рік тому +40

    Kinda odd how we actually have more psychic users in Smash than mages. Ness, Lucas, Mewtwo, Lucario technically, Shulk sorta. Even Palutena is more more heavenly powers than magic. I think someone like Alucard would be a good potential mage + swordfighter hybrid. Specials are various spells and transformations, most of his other attacks would be different weapons with some of them clearly being summoned, you could even fit in classic vampire elements such as self-healing. It'd be some good ol' family fun

    • @roachdoggjr7020
      @roachdoggjr7020 Рік тому +2

      You should check out the Alucard fan mod, one of the best I've seen for smash

    • @grunkleg.3110
      @grunkleg.3110 Рік тому +1

      ​@@roachdoggjr7020 I know, I'm very familiar with it

    • @HeroDS814
      @HeroDS814 Рік тому +2

      I think the Legend of Zelda series as a lot of potential for bringing more magic into the series

    • @kwagz3314
      @kwagz3314 3 місяці тому

      Lucario uses Aura, not Psychic abilities

  • @Harrymation-productions
    @Harrymation-productions Рік тому +15

    This is going to be one hell of a season. The production value here is refreshing to see.

  • @brandonpierce2539
    @brandonpierce2539 Рік тому +7

    I like that you are giving a description of the potential fighters in the poll.
    As a long time Xenoblade fan, a LIFE long Pokemon fan, and a recent player of FE: Engage, I'll be happy with any of these options.

  • @xKOSATx
    @xKOSATx Рік тому +10

    Production value is definitely a nice step up. Looks really good 👍🏾

  • @MrSupersmash93
    @MrSupersmash93 Рік тому +28

    Good work! I can’t choose for the next challenger, they all sound good. Though I would like to see you could with more square Enix characters like Neku, Edea or 2B?

  • @meteorain9941
    @meteorain9941 Рік тому +6

    great video! it’s sad to see the lack of magic users in smash so black mage could fit perfectly, and while meowscarada seems to be the gen 9 pokemon I think tinkaton has great potential too!

  • @djdjinn6340
    @djdjinn6340 Рік тому +8

    Love the idea! Should probably rearrange the Black Magic B special to arrange the menu like Shulk's Monado arts. It's so much more intuitive to press a direction rather than scroll through a menu mid-battle.

  • @Neutra77
    @Neutra77 Рік тому +5

    This is one I would call simple & charming.
    I don't care much for the character, but it feels like they would just be such a joy to play as, gracefully weaving spells and using the elements to blast opponents apart.

  • @Marshadow01
    @Marshadow01 Рік тому +6

    WOOOOOO BLACK MAGE.
    Black mage is my number one for the next smash game (if that ever becomes a thing)

  • @Jawmax
    @Jawmax Рік тому +6

    I wonder if you'll ever do a challenger approaching on Gorden Freeman from the Half Life series.

  • @thiscommenter180
    @thiscommenter180 Рік тому +3

    This series is great at making me want a character I’ve never heard of to make it in

  • @L0rdDeLtA
    @L0rdDeLtA Рік тому +1

    Thought Meteor or Flare would be the Final Smash but the prime black magic of Ultima is just perfection!

  • @marcotanooky9651
    @marcotanooky9651 Рік тому +2

    As someone that both loves Black Mage in SSF2 and Crusade
    I LOVE this moveset, there's a lot of characters where you have a lot of toys to go monkey mode, this really feels like you gotta play your cards right or you would just be a light show

  • @Harrymation-productions
    @Harrymation-productions Рік тому +4

    What about trying more villain character concepts; like Marx from Kirby, kamek from Yoshi and porky from mother.

  • @CaptainJack67
    @CaptainJack67 9 місяців тому +2

    Smash needs more spell casters and I love your Black Mage concept. 🖤

  • @j.corbygaming
    @j.corbygaming Рік тому +2

    I love the nod to Bravely Defualt! Why not an episode where Tiz is a fighter?! I can see him using Phoenix Dive as an Up Special, Examine as a neutral Special, and maybe the 4 crystals as a final smash with the help of Agnes

  • @Jamester445
    @Jamester445 Рік тому

    This was a long time coming. Glad you got to make it.

  • @BigHatAlef
    @BigHatAlef Рік тому +2

    Unironically the coolest smash moveset concept I've seen

  • @brandonwilliams6119
    @brandonwilliams6119 Рік тому +3

    Lots of great ideas all around, love how you adapted how frail the Black Mage can be reflecting off their stats throughout the games! Hero is my most played character due to the crazy randomness of his command selection spells, I could see Black Mage being my second most played if he was ever in, the good thing with Black Mage is no RNG and having a straight-forward tactical gameplay style which I would love!🔥❄️⚡️

  • @Dragoryu3000
    @Dragoryu3000 Рік тому +3

    Been wanting to see this one for a while, and it didn’t disappoint. The spells chosen feel particularly on-point. Having Warp as both recovery and offense to represent its dual purposes is an idea I’ve had as well, glad to see others proposing it.
    Though now I want to see White Mage…

  • @hotsupidcat
    @hotsupidcat 9 місяців тому

    the ether mechanic is so good made me laugh so hard when you got the part about each subsequent ether taking longer to find

  • @JohnyTheWizKid
    @JohnyTheWizKid Рік тому +20

    Would you be able to do a moveset for Terra Branford? She was considered for smash besides Cloud but Sakurai feared no one would recognize her. I want that rectified. FF6 was the golden age of FF and is considered the best one ever. This moveset is something I worked on for Terra. Now she needs a different moveset and I'd like you to help with that. She's an Esper also. Maybe her moves from Disidia can help with that. She knows white spells including Holy. We can't rule her out.

    • @HypeVoiceActing
      @HypeVoiceActing Рік тому +3

      "Samurai feared no one would recognize them"
      (Looks at Corrin and Byleth)

    • @JohnyTheWizKid
      @JohnyTheWizKid Рік тому +1

      @@HypeVoiceActing that's coming from him, btw. Terra isn't as popular as Cloud but the game itself is the masterpiece. I feel it's an overlooked game.

    • @anthonygerardotorresgonzal6269
      @anthonygerardotorresgonzal6269 Рік тому +1

      ​@Hype VoiceActing Well, You can thank FE Heroes for that. Also, I love your Mario Voice in your comic dubs.

    • @captainmega6310
      @captainmega6310 Рік тому

      ​@@HypeVoiceActing look it's Hype!

  • @sirreginaldfishingtonxvii6149
    @sirreginaldfishingtonxvii6149 Рік тому +2

    The concept of the down special taking like a minute as Black Mage gets progressively more panicked while searching is really funny to me

  • @Idonotlikepeanutbutter832
    @Idonotlikepeanutbutter832 Рік тому +1

    Maybe think about Laboman from Nintendo Labo series in a Patreon poll. Reasons:
    1. R.O.B. became playable and it was like the old-school version of Laboman for being a figure
    2. His design is easy for being cardboard with a Joy Con on his back
    3. Moveset would be using things from the Labo games. With his Smash attacks being the Nintendo Labo Joy Con Lightsaber Easter Egg

  • @ElTaitronAnim
    @ElTaitronAnim Рік тому

    Excellent!! I really like how you drew from various games for the designs/colors, spell choices, and magic animations. Your Black Magic menu concept is actually exactly how I thought Hero's spells would work on first reveal (having a different menu for each direction, and the chosen spell becoming a "quick-cast" button tap until choosing a new one). I like the Ether idea too.
    Personally, I hope to see Meowscarada next!

  • @nerdinahoodie7972
    @nerdinahoodie7972 Рік тому +1

    Great start to the new season, Del! Quite the interesting moveset and sounds exactly like the type of character I'd enjoy playing. While I know these videos are proof of concepts for the fighter themselves, I am curious as to what stage the Black Mage would bring with him.
    As far as the three possible challengers, I definitely would love to see Noah get his chance as I think he has plenty of potential.

  • @CharginChuck
    @CharginChuck Рік тому +1

    Love the new format, I think it suits the series really well. The only suggestion I would have is to maybe include a section to speculate on potential stage ideas to go with the fighter. Stage speculation is always fun, equally fun as fighter speculation imo.

  • @krubbington
    @krubbington Рік тому

    Great moveset, I love the ideas for Slow and Ether. Warp is a really cool take on your standard teleportation move too.

  • @juanluisisaiasgameplays6604
    @juanluisisaiasgameplays6604 9 місяців тому +1

    Now that I think about it, I think it would make more sense to have Black Mage as the representative of Final Fantasy in Smash instead of Cloud and Sephiroth.

  • @babdreemer
    @babdreemer Рік тому

    Great job on the new video!!!

  • @retrohero2762
    @retrohero2762 Рік тому +1

    This is a really cool moveset. I've always wanted him to rep Final Fantasy and you did him justice

  • @Wolfiyeethegranddukecerberus17

    Great episode! Heres still hoping for Kamek

  • @CamDaGR8X
    @CamDaGR8X Рік тому +3

    For his A attacks, I’m remained of Byleth’s attacks with Up, Side and Down being associated with his Sword, Lance and Axe. It’s an interesting idea for Black Mage.
    I don’t know if you’ll take this into consideration, but I’d love to see characters from the Shin Megami Tensei series get videos like Jack Frost, Demi-Fiend, Nahobino and Flynn(with Nanashi as an Echo). I’d think they can have real cool movesets.

  • @majorclanger8997
    @majorclanger8997 11 місяців тому

    I’m so glad that you did my number one character for smash

  • @sharifbrown3567
    @sharifbrown3567 Рік тому +2

    He seems like a Top Tier. Neat

  • @Gooberguy8705
    @Gooberguy8705 Рік тому

    I'm loving these videos! I think Fawful from the Mario & Luigi series would be a great character, being more of a trickster glass cannon type, but probably has a great recovery, since he always seems to bounce back so easily.

  • @flintlocke1344
    @flintlocke1344 Рік тому

    Excellent video, and I love this fighter concept!
    One idea I have for a fighter is Wes from Pokemon Colosseum, using Espeon and Umbreon as a tag team. I don’t know enough of Smash’s technical aspects to make anything specific, but Espeon would be a speedy glass cannon, and Umbreon would focus more on control and punishes. For a final smash, Wes would call out Shadow Lugia, which would work similar to Petey Piranha in that the main fighter can still attack while the final smash is active. I know Shadow Lugia wasn’t in the same game as Wes, but the Orre games were all about Shadow Pokemon, and Lugia’s the only one that’s visibly distinct from its normal form, so I wanted to have it present.

  • @marcotanooky9651
    @marcotanooky9651 Рік тому

    The best part of his neutral special always having the same position so language barrier is basically a non issue by just memorizing a bit

  • @xargonanaris2516
    @xargonanaris2516 Рік тому

    Really cool concept. I exspecially like the idea of the tilts and smash attacks where they become more powerful but drain ressource if holded. I think they would be a cool idea even for Hero or even Robin if Nintendo decides to not include the Black Mage.

  • @KalaamNozalys
    @KalaamNozalys Рік тому

    Can't wait for future polls.

  • @Nba_Obelisk7459
    @Nba_Obelisk7459 Рік тому

    This series is amazing.

  • @mctigerslug5498
    @mctigerslug5498 Рік тому

    Cool concept! I'm gonna offer some critique, and I mean it all in good faith.
    I think Stop and Warp are exceptionally clever applications of these archetypal moves. You already mentioned the potential points of comparison that exist within Smash, and these are great subversions that still reflect really faithfully on the source material. Stop seems incredibly balanced, it's signposted clearly for opponents going through it, and it disrupts their game plan without completely halting it. It also has my favorite use of mana across the whole moveset; there's a very clear risk and reward. Warp sounds like an incredibly fun tool to use, allowing for cheeky KOs off the top blast zone, while still being a legitimate risk to the player at startup and on whiff. Taking away the offensive capabilities at low mana is a sensible tradeoff.
    I think Black Magic, while cool in concept, might be too clunky. If kept as is, another commenter (DJ Djinn) mentioned the Monado interface as a point of reference. I quite like the solution you came up with, but I think it'll be too slow to manage anything past three options. I'd actually love to have that kind of interface on someone like Sora! All that being said... I think managing five character states on one button is already too much of a cognitive load. Looking at the Monado specifically, there are very few examples of people who actively switch between the all five states, at least in any quick succession, even though that might theoretically be optimal Shulk play. If it happens this rarely in competitive Smash, I doubt people are doing anything similar in a casual setting. Furthermore, the Monado Arts are all very well defined, and they end up applying these hugely polarizing stat changes as a way to solidify their individual roles. Even those these five spells are great nods to the series, I don't think they stand out enough amongst each other to really justify the shared input.
    My suggestion with Black Magic, then, is to limit your selection to three spells, all while bolstering their strength and mana cost. Based on the spells you've presented, and more specifically their Smash applications, I think Osmose currently has the weakest use case. It's an MP restoration spell, which currently overlaps with Ether, and all it does to the opponent is a bit of damage. Unless it's retooled, it's currently the most redundant spell, and I think it can safely be cut. I think if you wanted to keep it in, which I think is likely given its place in the series, it could slot in nicely as a new pummel. It could be kept to an aesthetic change, or you could recover a minor bit of MP with each successive pummel input. Of your remaining spells, I think Gravity arguably overlaps a bit too much with Warp. There's a period where the player is physically vulnerable during the startup, but once they're successful, they're rewarded with a powerful knockback. That leaves you with Bio for zoning, Comet for counterzoning, and Tornado for displacemet, which is a pretty solid selection!
    My other major critique is with the MP system. I think there are clear benefits, but right now, they're not distributed evenly. Specials definitely benefit from considering your mana cost. I think smash attacks can be included there too. But for tilts, aerials, and grabs... why would the player ever decide against using the amplified versions? It seems like any real utility comes from fire/thunder/ice, and the costs for the MP costs are incredibly low, so much so that the natural MP refresh of 2 per second will already recover the original cost without much thought. I don't get the sense that it's like Robin's sword tradeoff, where you might use a bronze sword to conserve very limited levin sword hits, or intentionally desire the bronze sword's low knockback. In response, you could increase the mana costs across the board... but I think that takes away from interesting decision making with his specials and smashes. Ultimately, I think simply removing an MP cost for these less powerful maneuvers will streamline the design a bit more. On top of everything I listed, I think assigning the A button to three different input strengths is a hard sell (tilt, enhanced MP tilt, and smash), since you have a 2/3 chance of messing up your input. I realize we have Ryu and Ken using this system, but I still think it's one of the less elegant Smash control schemes.
    All that being said, I think it's a really great moveset you came up with, and I only write all this because our nerd brains seem to be wired the same way. It goes without saying that it's well researched, well produced, and most importantly well crafted! I remember seeing this pop up in a few polls, and I'm glad you finally got to make what must've been a passion project for you. I don't know much about Xenoblade, but I'm looking forward to watching Noah next. Your Elma video got me to buy Xenoblade Chronicles X right before the e-shop closed down, and it's an incredibly exciting piece of my backlog! I'm glad you're making these, and I'll definitely tune in for more.
    P.S. Love the new graphics, but I think the envelope flashing across the screen is a bit too fast. I'm an animator, and a good rule of thumb is to leave a full second for audiences to adjust to completely white or black screens, mainly because of how monitors deal with light. Everything else looks great though! You've been doing it for a while, but I especially love how you use character stock icons to set a ballpark for otherwise obtuse character stats. You've made it shockingly accessible!

  • @LunaMinuna
    @LunaMinuna Рік тому

    After seeing him in SSF2 and smash crusade, it’s nice

  • @playcasket1519
    @playcasket1519 Рік тому

    I don't know why your Noah video gave me the Black Mage notification and vice versa.
    YT being funky.
    EDIT; It's always good to see more ice magic in the scope for Smash hopefuls. BM is awesome.

  • @jgfence123
    @jgfence123 Рік тому

    I’ve always wanted a character that feels like palutena’s side B, or some of PM Ganon. Like it uses a move (probs magic) that has a little hit box in its body, but then the main hit box is a few character lengths above or to the side of them. Kind of like a disjoint character, but with an area of no hit box or hurt box inbetween the base and tip. Could lead to cool spacing

  • @comedylad8938
    @comedylad8938 Рік тому

    Honestly, this video in itself has really further enticed me into playing the final fantasy series, which is neat considering how iconic & beloved it is. This fighter concept is pretty unique & really seems like something I'd play. The turn based RPG genre is something that hasn't gained traction in a long while, but golly does it still hit hard for such simple gameplay.
    Speaking of fighter concepts, I'd say that if a non-conventional fighter could be featured in your videos, perhaps you could do Frisk/The fallen human from UNDERTALE, with the possibility of introducing a gimmicky install fighter in a platform-fighting game. As the series is getting ever more recognized and has begun gaining traction, I'd say making a fighter out of them while keeping some of the game's off-the-wall aspects would be pretty neat.
    A disjoint-zoner who changes based on a player's playstyles comes to mind.

  • @anthonygerardotorresgonzal6269

    Sora is the Closest thing we got to Black Mage with his neutral B: Magic AKA Final Fantasy Magic.

  • @WinspearUltima
    @WinspearUltima Рік тому

    This is an interesting video I’m loving the idea of having a black mage in the roster, man imagine him and cloud in the roster. Man need to play SSF2

  • @sonickhable
    @sonickhable Рік тому +1

    If i had a dollar for every light weight, slow magic user from square remix in smash look

  • @thepsyshyster8243
    @thepsyshyster8243 Рік тому +1

    Loving the visual upgrades for the series, and I like your interpretation of Black Mage in Smash, too! It really is a shame how lacking Smash is for pure spellcasters, having plenty of spellsword types. But I also understand that when a character makes less direct contact with punches and kicks, instead emenating spells from their palms and staff, it can be difficult to make the key poses for attacks distinct from each other - even more of a challenge for characters that specialize in a single element. I think you did very well in this department; the description of each move gave me a good idea of how the attack would be performed. I'm kinda fired up to get back to an old concept of mine for a certain antagonist from the Fire Emblem games thanks to this!

  • @mistercrusher5108
    @mistercrusher5108 Рік тому

    Considering the origins of the series and the crossover in some mario sports title, you would think we could have got them at some point.

  • @felldoh9271
    @felldoh9271 Рік тому

    Would be fun no doubt though I think at that point they might as well make a Mii Mage and offer a Black Mage costume.
    Reason being is it would take up a Final Fantasy slot that could otherwise be occupied by a specific character, some of whom are mages that could bring a different mage moveset to the table like Kefka (frenzied magic attacks fitting for the psychotic clown mage), Vivi already looks like a traditional Black Mage and would play a little different, and Shantoto from Final Fantasy XI Online.
    Other prominent FF characters that would offer really fun movesets are Gabranth and Zidane who both duel wield separate blades and could switch to a double bladed sword style (think Darth Maul) and Kain (dragoon/lancer). Yuna would also make for an interesting moveset, especially if you factor in FF X-2.
    Other Square reps that could be passed up if Black Mage gets in are Grahf (Xenogears) and a Chrono Trigger rep (my pick would be Magus).

  • @platzohar
    @platzohar Рік тому +2

    another great moveset. also alear sweep!

  • @Rojo7500
    @Rojo7500 Рік тому

    very cool 👍

  • @perkilatorxiii5179
    @perkilatorxiii5179 Рік тому

    Weirdly enough, this video came out on Nobuo Uematsu’s birthday!
    On that note, if you could put one song per mainline FF game (barring VII), which one would you pick for each game? For me:
    -Prelude (series-wide, new remix)
    -Battle Scene (FF1, NES)
    -Battle Scene 2 (FF2, PSP)
    -This is the Last Battle (FF3, DS)
    -Boss Battle (FF4, SNES)
    -Battle on the Big Bridge (FF5, new remix)
    -Dancing Mad ~Final Tier~ (FF6, SNES)
    -The Man with the Machine Gun (FF8)
    -Battle 2 (FF9)
    -Seymour Battle (FFX, PS2)
    -Boss Battle (FF12, Zodiac Age)
    -Blinded by Light (FF13)
    -Stand Your Ground (FFXV)
    Apologies for not including songs from 11 and 14 on this list, but I don’t know that much about those games.

  • @mr.jeorgexiii1732
    @mr.jeorgexiii1732 Рік тому

    YES

  • @UltimateDragonX9999
    @UltimateDragonX9999 Рік тому

    I really hope that Meowscarda from Pokémon Scarlet and violet becomes next on the challenger approaching concept

  • @xraenon1664
    @xraenon1664 Рік тому +4

    I like the idea for this moveset, but it kind of feels like someone tried to stuff several character’s worth of gimmicks into Robin.

  • @edwardramos4591
    @edwardramos4591 9 місяців тому

    Classic Mode Route: Restore the Light! (A Smash Bros retelling of the original Final Fantasy. All battles are stamina battles to evoke the RPG feel)
    Stage 1: Metal Ganondorf (Garland)
    Stage 2: Robin (Fiend of Earth Lich)
    Stage 3: Female Corrin (Fiend of Fire Marilith)
    Stage 4: Inkling Boy (Fiend of Water Kraken)
    Stage 5: R.O.B. (The War Mech enemy)
    Stage 6: Ridley (Fiend of Sky Tiamat)
    Boss Stage: Ganon (Chaos)

  • @Mr._Maniac
    @Mr._Maniac Рік тому +3

    Really great moveset. Outside of Mario Sports Mix, I don’t know much about the Black Mage, but this makes me wanna main them.
    The new style of the series is also nice, but I’d like to supply a little constructive feedback. This has been something that’s been an issue for me personally for a while, even before the show got a touch up.
    Why are the taunts in between the grabs and the specials? I really don’t feel like that flows all to well. I respect going more in detail for the specials, but their just as much of the moveset as just about every other attack. Meanwhile the taunts really aren’t. In my honest opinion, I’d say keep the taunts for the last segment of the video, and maybe also include victory animations as well. I’d also personally save alts for the last section as well, but since you do talk about appearances first in a way that make sense, I can respect them being at the start.
    No clue if you’ll see this or agree with the suggestion. I just figured I’d mention it since it does sorta kill the flow of the movesets for me.

  • @wolfan20
    @wolfan20 10 місяців тому

    Tbh...yes, i would like this character a lot.

  • @DyxoXinoro
    @DyxoXinoro Рік тому

    I think I still prefer the SSF2 version for its ease of use and more bombastic full charge smashes, letting the player focus on the action and playing around their opponent. Plus, Stop as a chargeable AoE stun feels better than the pitch for Slow as a anti moblility debuff, even if the latter is probably more valuable long term. I do massively respect this for going head first into the character, though. Hero's MP shenanigans are fun, but a character that fully commits to it would have a lot going for them.

  • @rapidfire9999
    @rapidfire9999 8 місяців тому

    Just a simples Black Mage? Bartz Klauser is the job master.

  • @dyll_pyckle
    @dyll_pyckle Рік тому

    Great moveset! I really dig it. That being said, this wasn’t the blue & pointy character I was hoping for. I wonder if a Black Mage could use the job class system to have any profession? Potentially a defense attorney?? (Phoenix Wright plz)

    • @raheemaslam7363
      @raheemaslam7363 Рік тому

      If you want a jobs system then Bartz is your guy

  • @tokmanu61
    @tokmanu61 Рік тому

    Can you do jibanyan from yokai watch? I really like your moveset videos, it will be interesting to see how will you build up his moveset

  • @mushroomfusion245
    @mushroomfusion245 Рік тому

    Looking at who replaced Black Mage in the poll… yeah I knew you weren’t gonna pass up the opportunity.

  • @thunderboargames8369
    @thunderboargames8369 Рік тому +1

    I'm waiting for SSBU Deluxe on the next console.....(i hope)

  • @aratherbritishdinosaur
    @aratherbritishdinosaur Рік тому

    I’d love to see you do The Doom Slayer.

  • @rockowlgamer631
    @rockowlgamer631 Рік тому

    Final Fantast 1 Monk and Red Mage, "What about us?"

  • @tehquiper6796
    @tehquiper6796 Рік тому +1

    unfortunate that Black Mage's Side Special in Super Smash Flash 2 doesn't work on Master Hand

  • @jethiliusavalar6449
    @jethiliusavalar6449 Рік тому

    Tell me if this is too busted but what if u could alter Slow in a way to upgrade it to Stop? Like, it would behave almost exactly like how u described Slow but if u double tap B and have like, 65 mp or something u could cast Stop. The Stop lasts until u hit the affected enemy or until u run out of mp (the way u described it) but after the spell has worn off in either way ur mp gauge is frozen for as long as the enemy was

  • @machadragonii145
    @machadragonii145 Рік тому

    Please do Spyro the dragon next

  • @arindip7396
    @arindip7396 Рік тому

    Please consider doing a “Remake It!” For Little Mac please 👏

  • @TheRealZXXZ
    @TheRealZXXZ Рік тому

    RIP Flare

  • @Cooler442
    @Cooler442 Рік тому

    Hope we get a tf2 character layer
    (Scout Heavy Soldier or Pyro)
    Edit:I don’t have patreon,and I think they would be great fighters,I’m going with Noah

  • @waheedabdullah6371
    @waheedabdullah6371 Рік тому

    I'm new to this channel, so are we allowed to type requests for suggestions in his Patreon poll?

    • @Delzethin
      @Delzethin  Рік тому

      I don't have an official avenue to take requests right now. I can keep comments in mind, but I cannot promise they'd show up in future polls.
      I'm careful about which characters appear in the polls because I want to make sure the eventual designs are good enough. It's why I limit the options to characters I am confident I can come up with something worthy for.

    • @waheedabdullah6371
      @waheedabdullah6371 Рік тому

      ​@@Delzethin Alright. Also, how come you didn't want to include Victory Poses?

  • @stevesamuals2651
    @stevesamuals2651 Рік тому

    But disappointed you didn't use color schemes based on the geomancer or blue mage, but ohh well

  • @Dzzy123
    @Dzzy123 7 місяців тому

    Honestly, Black Mage should have gotten in before Cloud and Sephiroth.

  • @DiegoG2004
    @DiegoG2004 Рік тому +1

    Vivi Vivi Vivi Vivi Vivi Vivi Vivi Vi....
    you can tell I like FFIX, right?

  • @Nba_Obelisk7459
    @Nba_Obelisk7459 Рік тому

    Could you do something with super hot.exe for Vr reps

  • @masterboa6321
    @masterboa6321 Рік тому

    I imagine him being animated like the awkward variety of anime protagonist (think Saiki K.)

  • @nadiablack5420
    @nadiablack5420 Рік тому +1

    You have to use alear you just have to use him/her I know theirs too many fire emblem characters but I don't care you have to use alear

  • @TheAnchorArmsChad
    @TheAnchorArmsChad Рік тому

    It's FEE-RAGA

  • @rickdaniel7341
    @rickdaniel7341 Місяць тому

    Vivi is best boi

  • @thedapperdolphin1590
    @thedapperdolphin1590 Рік тому

    I’d rather see Terra. She could rep Magic and classic FF

  • @lorenzoniccoli99ln
    @lorenzoniccoli99ln Рік тому +1

    Seems really overcomplicated...
    I like cool throws but not being able to choose whether to waste mana or not each time is honestly not great design
    Wait, what does side-b do while airborne? Nothing?
    That's no good for a smash moveset

  • @fq5619
    @fq5619 Рік тому

    hi

  • @johnszymanski247
    @johnszymanski247 Рік тому

    Wasn’t Black Mage already in smash

    • @JohnyTheWizKid
      @JohnyTheWizKid Рік тому

      Assist trophy you mean? That doesn't make it a playable character

    • @seabass64
      @seabass64 Рік тому

      ​@@JohnyTheWizKid in which game was it an assist trophy?

    • @johnszymanski247
      @johnszymanski247 Рік тому

      @@JohnyTheWizKid I meant he was in Smash Flash 2

    • @JohnyTheWizKid
      @JohnyTheWizKid Рік тому

      @@johnszymanski247 oh

  • @kingnewcomer2029
    @kingnewcomer2029 Рік тому

    YES! It's so awesome to see new Final Fantasy stuff that isn't just from VII, and the Black Mage (or just Black Mage. I'm not sure which is the correct term here) is the perfect candidate for that! I love that not only did you combine all the different variations of the Black Mage unit in the FF franchise, you even thought of clever ways to use the spells with different versions depending on how you use the A, and B buttons! Along with better balancing the use of magic, unlike Hero's tedious menu scrolling that becomes a bit trickier to remember if you're playing in a language that isn't your native one (even though let's be honest, the English names of Hero's spells are absolute trash compared to the vastly superior Japanese ones. They're some of the worst official localized English names in video game history. Seriously, who came up with these names, and thought they sounded better than their source material? They don't. They sound like something a 4-year-old made up. But I seriously digress)! All in all, I'm very impressed with how you did this one, Delzethin! And for a character that's been in the polls for almost 1 whole year, it's great to see him finally get his official invite (for Challenger Approaching!, that is)! And for the first CA! video of the year what better to celebrate than with one of the most iconic Final Fantasy units, and a brand Challenger Approaching! banter! I love the new set up, and I love how for the Patreon Smash newcomers there's now even a description for said newcomers as it really gives them even more personality! No idea who the next one is gonna be as I thought this time it was going to be either Noah from Xenoblade 3, or Masquernya from Pocket Monster Scarlet & Violet, but this was a nice surprise! I look forward to the CA! video (I have a gut feeling it's going to Lueur from Fire Emblem Engage, not that I'm complaining)! Maybe I can hurry, and vote on Patreon before time expires!
    Also, I hate to be all nitpicky, but, I kinda wish you didn't say that one of Black Mage's alternate colors wasn't an "edgy face" (aka Blackface) as nobody was saying that it was, you're the only one who brought it up... :/

    • @kwagz3314
      @kwagz3314 3 місяці тому

      Edgy phase, not face. Also who equates edginess with . . . That?

  • @JoelTheParrot
    @JoelTheParrot Рік тому +1

    i don't particularly like final fantasy but if we were gonna get a second final fantasy rep it should've been black mage, not a second final fantasy 7 rep who has annoying gameplay and represents double standards like mad.
    anyway, great job on this moveset!