Question: Should I Get a Degree in Philosophy?
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- Опубліковано 6 вер 2024
- Is it worth it to pursue a bachelor's and then doctorate degree in philosophy?
I would be interested in an IT career, but it seems like most of those jobs don't require a degree -- they just require experience.
-John J
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A philosopher would tell you that the reason you study philosophy is not to get a job, it is much greater. It is to become a better, smarter, more cultured person.To base it entirely on mercantile bullshit is looking at it the wrong way. Look at it the way a classical education was taught. Philosophy is a pre-degree for life, everyone should study it in order to be a productive member of society, before you start studying your trade. (ala trivium, quadrivium)
Yeah I'll remember that when I'm making 60,000 a year at my it job, and you're flipping burgers.
Since you are such a bundle of sunshine now, your 60,000 a year will surely maintain your happiness.
@Anarchist
syntaku sama 60k is barely any money tho, come back when you’re a prof making 200k
Anarchist, ha! Good Will Hunting reference.
Philosophy is a great undergrad for those who are actually interested in it, especially if you want to apply for law school afterwards. Philosophy major grads tend to score the highest on the entrance exam. It makes sense because philosophy gives you a great foundation for skills like logic, debating, reasoning, etc.
Philosophy major here, I make about 1k a day as a construction company owner. Did I need a philosophy degree to start a business, No! But it helps with organising work, and being able to place value on what jobs I wanted, dealing with customers, and general problem solving, even choosing this line of work. I would say getting a philosophy degree is worthwhile because it makes a lot of other things seem easier. Reading papers on Language or logic or time, etc...make other problems less problematic!
What is your minor?
sVMZ what’s your email? I would like to contact you
That's pretty ignorant and only suggests you are not that smart or whatever that fucking means. What proof do you have that claims that the majority of those who study Philosophy can not implement application? I suggest you focus on your own capabilities & measure our own ability of application, unless you can proof that the majority can not apply what is learned in Philosophy you should SHUT THE FUCK UP.
Yahya Tarhuni i agree...without all the swearing words😂
@@goatedchild6345 True. These people let anecdotes dictate the rule as a whole.
Thank you SO MUCH for acknowledging the challenges of philosophical study. As a philosophy major, I was chastised constantly for studying the "easiest art". But as a student on my way to law school, it looks like I'm having the last laugh. Subbed.
hello, so I know I am extremely late to this comment here but im really curious, whats the path that you are taking to go to law school? Like what school are you going to now and what law school are you planning on attending? Im just a sophomore in high school but im very set on going to law school and im a little confused on the road to get there.
Hey I’m in my senior year now and I’m getting my philosophy degree. It’s worth it! You, like all people have to find a way to sell yourself and your skills to a company or be real ballsy and start your own business! Good luck
Jordan Scherrer I’m getting a phill degree then going into law. Your best bet is to start off exploring various degrees. Get some philosophy and Criminal justice classes to dabble in but try not to declare just yet because your interest can and may change.
Currently you should focus on having good grades, enjoying high school and your youth and perhaps saving money and looking for colleges. Their is not best way to get into law school. I’m college focus on having a high gpa, study for the lsat and then try to do extracurricular things. Good luck. Pm me for questions
Do u write a lot of essays in philosophy and also, do u take math as a philosophy student?
@@cannos09 you got my interest
"If you use a philosophy education well, you can get your foot in the door of any industry you please. Industries are like the blossoms on a tree while philosophy is the trunk - it holds the tree together, but it often goes unnoticed."
― Criss Jami, Killosophy
The same can be said about other majors too so nothing special.
@@infamouscrusader3363 Not really since philosophy allows you to detect problems and inconsistencies very easily.
@@alejandrotellez2962 As an English major, I actually learned the same however if I really had to give my full credit to learning how to detect hard problems of any kind it would be Mathematics. Although I am a slow learner at hard maths which is the reason I discouraged myself to major in CS, math made learn to think in such an analytical way that I did not obtain to the same degree as an English course and my personal time learning Philosophy. To an extent however if there is one thing I did learn in one Philosophy course I took was how not to think and basically to break down ideas I know are wrong which correlated to the process of elimination I was taught in Math courses I had to take as well. Both of these definitely complimented my way of reasoning when tackling down way to interpret literature for a class essay I write.
@@infamouscrusader3363 as a linguistics major, bullshit 🥳 and no, it can not be said about other majors 😌
@@mlsauk1955 A lot of them for sure. Seems like I must that point more simpler.
Philosophy is so much more than acquiring some useful skills.
That's why those who go into it to look for a job shouldn't.
@B Sell My it seems like I am on a Manhunt here. I am not against learning Philosophy, I enjoy Philosophy myself and am familiar with various works. I only come here to see multiple people's thoughts and opinions on the subject while I guess you can say, play devil's advocate since Liberal Arts and Humanities today seem to be on a decline today despite being a Humanities major myself (English. I considered Philosophy in my early years but ultimately switched).
@B Sell Young people shouldn't regret later in their lives by making foolish mistakes at a young age. Some of the univeristies offer even worse courses like " gender studies" and I saw a degree about " pop culture" and if you take majors like these you probably won't ever get a job and that's honestly sad and philosophy does come under the list to anyone who doesn't want to take law as a career after getting a philosophy degree. People should know the truth and it doesn't mean that telling the truth means having a grudge against the subject or something
@@FffffffffffffffffffffffffffffL I can see you misunderstood my comments. Obviously Philosophy is a subject worth learning. My point is English and Philosophy are related one with one another in the sense they are written works people observe and learn from in class and their study time. That was my point all along.
@@FffffffffffffffffffffffffffffL Didn't say it was useless. I see both equally worthless in there own way. The difference is Philosophy is specializes in Philosophical texts as it is a study in and of itself which as I mentioned, can teach you good lessons and amplify basic soft skills.
The answer is yes, if you're actually up to the challenge of that kind of degree. This guy is telling the truth. Over the course of my BA, I've written probably around 200-ish pages of papers and read about 2-3 shelves worth of books (reading each book an average of 2-3 times). Philosophy requires the ability to make reasoned arguments about highly abstract things. Also, you'll have to deal with every person you ever meet asking you what you're going to do with that.
For me, personally, I went the financial route and am now a broker. We don't dare make recommendations, but we do deal with highly complex situations that most people would never think of. I am personally so happy I didn't get a business degree. Those things are soulless and needlessly redundant, and they don't really help you at all
AvalancheofNeed How does philosophy help u be a broker
How can philosophy help you in the financial world more than a business degree majoring in something like finance or accounting?
That’s a pretty insane BA program, what school did you go to?
Philosophy is a serious subject that is not a cake walk. Most people change their mind about majoring when they get an "C" in their first introductory course. There are few philosophy majors for a reason. Most get weeded out early on and choose something more concrete like Mathematics or English. Philosophy is very abstract and you are graded more on your thought processes than you are on your results. However, everything must be defended in the same postulate, syllogism and research formulation that you'd find in a more scientific field.
I graduated with a degree in philosophy from an elite school and ranked at the top of my department. I also did time as a teaching assistant for the assistant dean in my department. If you want an "easy" undergraduate degree, just major in comparative religions. You will study similar subjects to what philosophers study, but you won't have to defend what you write as much or research the entire history of human thought and belief on a topic before giving an answer to a question in class. The difference is, a religion major will most likely only be able to get a job as a clergy member or minister, but a philosopher can specialize in logic or ethics, which applies well to fields like law, medicine and business. A religion major will need at least a master's degree paired with their church's ordination, but a philosopher can hit the job market right away, provided they can sell their degree as relevant to the people looking to hire.
If you're going to major in philosophy, I highly recommend getting a minor in another subject. I did not finish my minor, but I did take a lot of business courses, and I will soon have enough courses to get my CPA license and enroll into an MBA program. If I wanted to, I could have enrolled in law school after graduating, but the market for law school grads looks pretty bleak.
Oh boy USA has a problem with status and diplomas. It doesn't matter what degree you have, you should be doing a discipline because you like it. If you want to be more practical how ever , get what is on demand. Having a degree in philosophy or physics or engineering or x degree doesn't guarantee you anything. What helps is experience and determination. No two person are a like. Do not go to post-secondary because of diplomas but to learn and expand your mind.
Thanks needed that
Dumb. Your major can determine R.O.I. and what fields you can and cannot get into.
@@infamouscrusader3363 Your competence, skills, and work ethic, and lastly your connections determines if you will become successful or not. Remember that there are many Master's Degree and Phd who are unemployed or underemployed.
@@rhythmandacoustics Yes but if the skills you have are not in demand the pay won't be much. What you major can increase your probability to get into fields and get paid more. That is why stats say those in STEM majors make way more overall than arts and humanities graduates. Are there exceptions, sure, but they don't make the rule.
@@infamouscrusader3363 Where did I say to get a degree not in demand? Maybe you should learn to read better buddy.
A pretty good video:
A) Real philosophers enjoy the rigorous intensive stimulation for the mind. It is not easy however this is one thing that is so appealing to individuals such as myself.
B) One can be a lecturer and write papers in epistemology, logic. This would be the ideal job for an individual with a doctorate in Philosophy.
C) Those who would go into business at all from philosophy would be individuals who study more practical and often less abstract branches of philosophy such as morality and ethics of business. Often history can be linked with economic philosophy.
One of the guys in my philosophy logic class took that class as one of his elective subjects because he thought it was going to be an easy pass. 2 weeks in, he wished he took math instead.
I can remember from my college days, my ethics professor told the entire class “if you wanted to find a philosopher, call for Pizza Hut delivery"
Gimp Geek sounds like a pretty egotistical ethics professor. It's true that it's harder to find a good starting job as a philosophy major, but if you're good at philosophy, you'll be good in a lot of high level industries. Being able to understand and conceptualize dense and unfamiliar material helped me a lot with my series 7, and my ethics background made most of the series 63 almost skippable.
@@avypath it's not egotistical to tell a joke
At least he was honest.
Lmaoo
i'm 25 i love philosophy but if i start college now i would be graduating at 30 with a Philosophy degree I don't think i would have too many options for work.
Philosophy is also great for Law because the whole legal system is based in philosophy. Being able to assess legal issues from a philosophical standpoint is absolutely invaluable and will give you a huge headstart over any lawyer who isn't a philosopher.
I think it depends on what you mean by "value" regarding a degree or Phd or subject in general. If the value of a subject entirely based on monetary gain, then, yes, studying philosophy is limiting, but are we really going judge a subject MERELY based on it's monetary gain? I think that is a little simplistic. Philosophy is a subject that in of itself is valuable. It honestly changes your life, the way you think about topics, how nuanced you are, etc. It helps one being okay with being uncomfortable with entertaining thoughts that very much disagree with you.
Are people overlooking the fact that numerous jobs want someone with a bachelor’s degree, and in some cases, it doesn’t matter what it’s in?
No. Few fields are actually like that (e.g. sales, marketing). However, various fields out there actually do care or are more keen to specific majors. A person looking into an I.T. job is likely to go into the job if they had a Computer Science degree. A person looking for an Accounting job is very likely to be more hired than someone with a humanities degree. To disregard majors is not good.
Best degree in the world :-) Obv i am bias...
Why? Can you share your experience briefly?
I'm so glad I found this older video!
I'm currently majoring in philosophy/economics but when someone asks me what my major is, I say philosophy. The reason is then I blow their mind by getting real technical in programming. I've also done a fair share of coding boot camps and coding workshops. Nothing funnier than saying I'm writing a paper on 17th century ethics then explaining why I prefer node.js over php or Ruby on Rails, and that I think for loops is a better way to learn than an each statement in ruby because it's iterations are more clear.
Oasis S.
Bro I'm in a class on Kant's critique of pure reason and I'm dying.
Just want to post here. I'm a Computer Science minor with a Major in Philosophy. Let's just say, me being born with an incurable condition got me into Philosophy and Computer Science. However, more into Philosophy than in Computer Science. I did see so many people do terrible in Philosophy yet I was doing great. I even had my teachers (with 3 others) tell us to stop talking since we knew so much and engaged in class a lot. I am a Philosophy guy with a Tech background too.
System.out.println("Being born with my condition got me into them both.")';
I want to major in philosophy because I love coming up with my own philosophy and I also find it very interesting listening to others explaining and teach you their philosophy. I love learning from people that came up with successful philosophy from both east and west.
not if you want to eat
Philosophy is a great degree to prepare someone for law school.
This is an excellent analysis. As someone with separate degrees in Philosophy and Theology, I would say you're increasingly limited to what you could do with those in today's highly competitive work industry. Great qualifications, but with small employment opportunities unless you combine them with other "practical" degrees. I'm currently studying Juris Doctor (Doctor of Law/Master of Law) and truly my training background in philosophy now serves as my strongest foundation. So that's the advantage! But not everyone would be wanting to go through this ridiculously long process before they get a job they desire. And never be deceived by those who would tell you not to consider what course to study in University from the perspective of jobs. All courses/disciplines do not have equal employment opportunity. So even though I'm glad to have studied philosophy and I get a feedback every now and then as to how amazing I am with philosophy I still consider myself highly disadvantaged when it comes to employability. I would say, make sure you know what you want and the path you want your career to take you in life before enrolling in any course especially when you are aiming at getting a high degree in those.
Philosophy majors score the highest on the LSATs. This is a well known stat my professors love to brag about lol
Quick Answer: No. Let's be honest here. It's easier seems easier than STEM and you don't like math.
Long Answer: It won't get you a solid job, despite what this guy says. If anything it's better to for sure thing like STEM and minor in Philosophy. Why risk the possibility of ending up in a mediocre job, and nt even breking the 50k area till your in your 40s or 50s. If you're even that lucky. At worst then double major in it. Trust, you don't want to risk something like this when you have student loans.
Very interesting, I flushed my law degrees down to the toilet, I was doing well as a judge, but now I'm a freelance web developer, and I'm learning cloud computing, but now that you mention it, that experience might be valuable
If you are passionate about Philosophy and achieve high marks you can:
1) apply to law school
2) apply to teachers college
3) apply for a masters degree
4) join the military at a high rank
Marketing / Psychology would be a fun arts degree to pair with IT (especially if you like sales and marketing).
The answer is no. I've got degrees in philosophy. I enjoyed the studies to a certain extent, but it's a lot of work and it's rarely an asset in the working world.
+axlrosea675 i think its only worth it when you go to graduate school
+indian gamer Well I didn't get my degress from some middle school.
indian gamer you might start by using spellcheck.
lol ok
+axlrosea675 I think he meant getting a PhD instead of just going and getting a bachelor's in philosophy.. which is what I did.. and he's right.. didn't work out for me
If you know you want to go into IT your most effective route is to do com sci.
I think there are a lot of misconceptions about a philosophy major. It can actually go very far in life. You can use a philosophy degree as a great platform into a career in science and engineering. It has transformed how mathematicians think and how scientists deal with the technical facets of reality. The beauty behind the numbers is what is taught in philosophy and it is an advantageous perspective to enter jobs like data science and quantitative analysis, which are excellent-paying jobs for any fresh graduate these days.
Do one year in computer science, get all As and then go to law school! Philosophy is only for those who are really into it and it is a lot of crap if it is not coupled with something else where it can be applied. I would say philosophy/law, philosophy/physics.
To say it's a load of crap unless coupled with something else is pretty naive... I could understand if you had said, it's a more powerful study if you specialise in an area, such as ethics in business or law or psychology or neuroscience... But philosophy by itself requires an inquisitive mind that is prepared to unlock complex moral situations. It's anything but useless by itself. Just look at the amount of great thinkers/orators with philosophy/PPE degrees.
True. It's best to get an undergrad in something more useful in case you do not enroll into law school.
I'm at a loss whether to major in Sanskrit or Philosophy.
no
Great video! Informative.
Hey Man, could you be more specific on which financial jobs philosophy prepare you for? Do you mean sales or just a general financial analyst?
Yes Philosophy is a tough major however, don't just limit undergrads for careers in finance because that is very much not true in which I don't think that was your intentions but for those who don't know, philosophy is probably one of the best degrees anyone could obtain because a wide variety of jobs hire people with degrees in Philosophy. You have a much wider span of jobs that you could obtain than you would with most other degrees. Finance, politics, law, education, professing, medical, engineering, etc... Yes it sounds crazy but all these fields will hire philosophy grads & undergrads :)
It's like you intentionally avoided saying why philosophy degrees were hard because you couldn't remember so you just said it was hard a lot of times and left it at that.
I waited to know why, he never said.
Mathew Wayne it’s as hard as you want it to be. Like any college class, you can soarknote précis and BS papers until you graduate or you can throw yourself into it, study the content, and grow as you learn. Personally, philosophy classes are the ones I’ve enjoyed the most throughout college. It’s hard to find a room of intellectuals who are willing and looking to have an intellectual conversation about something. Many times were my beliefs, world views, and other personal issues challenged and contemplated. I’d say it’s rewardingly challenging. Crazy how much we haven’t changed in 2000+ years of recorded history and philosophy allows you to tap in with that stuff. But yeah, it can be hard lol
I want to go to law school I know a law degree is a JD but what's MCSD?
Shawn Afshar
Microsoft Certified Solutions Developer
Hey, great quality video!! Can I ask for some advice on Vlogging for PhDs? I'm starting a channel and am wondering if you have any tips? Thanks a million!!
It's crazy how I think so much about the world but the world thinks so much about simple things.
Philosophy as a undergrad BA then law school get law degree then get MCSE certification
+Shawn Afshar He can do one or 2 years philsophy or computer science and then apply to law school.
+Dina Ibrahim 1 or 2 years ? You need a BA to apply to law school
I’m getting my BBA in Marketing and planning to minor in Philosophy.
No. Next question.
Philosophy is considered one of the best Bachelor's going into law school.
Nothing else.
YEAH! Philosophy son! o/
Lets philosophize about the female body the whole day...and drink wine.
+Gabriel R. Thats good, you both philosphise about it and ill, do the dirty work ...
When you say there are more efficient ways to get the training are you talking about the MCSE's, etc? What other paths would you suggest to someone who isn't exactly interested in the "college life", but wants to get into the industry with some actual working knowledge?
I think he would recomend getting experience. Watched alot of his 2hour streams so i know.
Should I get a degree in bricklaying lol . Should I get a degree in anthropology . What do you think?.... The question I will get back is much the same as the psychology interview hel no. lol... Anyway. The problem with American degrees unless they're focused you may as well write off the first two years as they are just not specific enough- and my argument is if you don't know what you want to do before university , then don't go to university and waste your hard earned dollars:) simple as that, folks. Will any degree be useful in IT no.... Will it be useful getting you through the glass ceiling possible. Will it be useful in getting you a graduate position absolutely without a degree . You've got no chance. I've known people with psychology degrees on graduate schemes in the UK. Training to be information security officers:)
If you want to be a first-line second life , a degree is pointless . A degree is designed to get you up into junior management level quickly or move on up to Masters infinity and beyond lol
I would tell people not to even bother going into IT and I've been very lucky in it but would never recommend it as a profession .
Law degree is pretty much useless if you want ok salary.
True. It's way too saturated unless it's tier 1.
You skipped a side door into coding through mathematics (which I GUESS is only applied philosophy, so you're half off the hook). I studied math, CS, and philosophy, and I use what I learned in my math education and philosophy education every day. I only use my CS degree in job interviews. One of the reasons I work well with clients (yes, I'm one of those programmers who talks to people as part of their job) is because philosophy taught me the questions I should be asking. Goddamn, "to what extent...?" - that annoying question from philosophy class - is so fucking useful.
I like your expressions man..!!
Yes the requirements are insane!!
It's needed if you want to be a priest
Those who belittle Philosophy tend to be the most small minded, right wing conformists around.
Left wing*
I didn’t understand and read into philosophy till I stopped leaning left... Nowadays they’re both extremes
@@neilt1352 Id agree
Don't be stupid. Those who belittle philosophy can be anywhere on the political spectrum: right, left, moderate, even apolitical.
I thought this was Ari Shafir.
I have one of those exact robot arms! Dude!
The irony of someone who didnt study Philosophy Giving knowledge assumed by one who actually studied philosophy.
Thanks :)
Just clicked vid and ran to comments to say "no"
I’ll just get it as a minor you always can
Liberal arts majors are hard to sell to an employer. You really have to
promote the fact that you are a college graduate over that of the major,
which does not hold water that much in this job market. Being educated
is not that important to an employer, it is what you can do for that
employer that counts. Also, liberal arts has a tendency to taught by
people from the left and is often a liberal pulpit for the left. Save
the wales, the glass ceiling for women, industrial military complex, and
knowing about global warming, is not going to get you a job. In fact,
these professors are getting paid to teach you about social issues
instead of what you need to know to get a job, is wrong. Most professors
don't really know about the work place, they come from academia
themselves. The blind leading the blind.
David Salt not really. A philosophy education is applicable to tons of fields. If we did well, we're excellent communicators who can write and make reasoned arguments about anything. I mean, I took actual classes on logic and classical argument. Any job-specific training will come naturally to us given some time. I have never taken a single finance-related class, but I did great on my series 7 & 63 with only a few weeks and a manual.
You're sort of wrong here, especially when referring to these subjects as 'liberal arts'... Liberal arts is a term defined by the Ancient Greeks as the study of anything from art, to literature, to history, to philosophy, to hard and behavioural sciences etc... Maybe you're thinking of sociology stylised degrees such as gender studies, afro-american studies? That I would totally agree with. However, degrees in subjects like philosophy and literature open the graduate up to a huge realm of possibility job-wise. Including jobs in law, journalism, politics, writing etc.