SPOILER ALERT | Breaking down Netflix's "YOU" Season 4: Part 2 | Podcrushed BONUS
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- Опубліковано 28 тра 2024
- The gang is back with another bonus episode breaking down YOU S4, Part 2. Penn shares why episode 8 is his favorite of all time, where season 5 might find Joe, and what it was like to direct SPOILER ALERT! all his previous leads. As always, this episode is full of spoilers. Tread with caution. For more Podcrushed, subscribe to our UA-cam channel: bit.ly/PodcrushedSubscribe
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Until mariene’s episode you kinda forget that joes is an atrocius human, its so easy to slip into his charm, i was actually rooting for him at a point, and then you see all that he puts mariene and of course all of the other women through, and her acting was so phenomenally painful, my blood was boiling for him to pay for it
I think most women view it that way for some reason. I rooted for Joe, was so happy when he framed Nadia.
@@isauldlc-qj5qe ur a freak
@@majeda_a wow this community is toxic :(
@@isauldlc-qj5qe nah, how about you are toxic. Celebrating the fact that Joe sent an innocent young woman to prison
@@isauldlc-qj5qe Yeah same bro, a lot of people got mad at Joe, not me though. Love that he got away with it at the end.
I don't know if anyone's pointed this out already but when Nadia advises Joe sooooo early on that "there are no coincidences" - I think that's the biggest breadcrumb. Joe appears, murders start, ofc it's him 😂
@@podcrushedpodcast
Even bigger and more obvious hint: the killer starts "texting" Joe by saying "Hello, You", which we know is Joe's iconic phrase before he starts stalking an individual.
The broken part of Joe literally told him who it was in the first message.
Couldn't stop smiling hearing Anti-Hero by Taylor Swift at end of the final episode. The lyrics were made for Joe Goldberg and his fans.
&penns tiktok debut fans 😂
yes and s3 also ended with Taylor's song!
All i could think was the tiktok! I was like nooooo!
What's the name of the song? I loved it.
I love that this is become a staple for the show! I remember when I was younger and would watch PLL, for some reason it was my biggest dream that A would be revealed to be Taylor Swift lol. I knew it would never happen but I wanted it so bad. Now this makes me feel like everything comes full circle.
Glad to hear I'm not the only one who thought Rhys had a twin brother 😂 Gotta be honest when I saw Joe talking to Marianne in the cage I for a split second was like "OMG Rhys is an evil mastermind and cloned himself and Joe"😭😭
My thoughts were really just repeating „delusion or twin?“ over and over until it was revealed 😭
hahaha I thought he was such a mastermind he had a body double at his ex's to lure Joe out
omg saaame i was thinking maybe Rhys had a twin and when Joe said he “wasn’t Joe”, I thought Rhys somehow hypnotized Marienne to think that she was looking at Joe when it was actually Rhys 😭
I also thought they were cloned, or that Rhys had a twin and hypnotized Joe but the big reveal took me WAY off guard. They hint at the revelation sooooo much throughout the season but it completely went over my head. Loved it!
I thought it was plastic surgery
I also thought Rhys had a twin at first lol
😂😂😂
Me too 😭
That would’ve been a better plot tbh
Facts I was so confused at first
@@neontears The show is about mental health.
this season part 2 was just pure insanity. i have never felt emotions like this before 😭😭
right! my emotions were everywhere lol
This season reminded me just how scary Joe is when it's from someone else's point of view. The last time I felt that way was in Season 1 when Beck finds the box in the bathroom.
my favorite thing about the second part of the 4th season is how we finally see Joe from a victim's perspective. It's so easy to get caught up in his narration and to actually sympathize with him at some points (even though we are aware he is a serial killer), so when we see it from Mariene's pov it's when we can very clearly see how deranged and dangerous he is.
The guy that plays Rhys deserves more love. After Penn, his performance is my favourite out of anyone in S4 and I'm curious if he's back for the next season
Hands down! His delivery in the airplane hanger had me dying laughing.
“Carotid… Maaaahvelous” 😂
Ed Speleers is delightfully fun to watch and he eats up his scenes. He was fantastic in Outlander
@@johnkimble523completely agree! That was my favourite moment of the season I think
He will be
Dude been legit since downton abbey
One breadcrumb, when Reece was the only person Joe liked. We should’ve known something was up 😂😂
I cried when Love showed up looking cooler than ever!
I know! I was like AHHH ITS VICTORIA!!
In the flesh or hallucinating. Idc about spoilers
@@marcelus4848 it was a nightmare joe had, beck shows up too
@@fcproductions3160 both of them show up like ALIVE or like yk .. dreamlike or hallucinations
@@marcelus4848 hallucinations, there's a key joe needs and both of them taunt him and say he will never get it
I was scared during the first half of the season that they were attempting to actually make Joe a sort of hero this time around. Then I was thrilled to realize during the second half that Joe has never been more terrifying.
well said!
Yeah watching the Maryanne episode I felt betrayed by Joe. Like disillusioned that the audience was finally seeing the truth uninhibited by the bias and manipulation of joe’s point of view. I felt bamboozled by that plot twist because despite his villainy, joe has always been endearing and likable… until that episode. The whole time watching I knew Penn felt proud for people to see joe as the monster he truly is. From that point on, the desire to redeem him as an audience member was gone for me. Great season!
he has never been endearing or likeable. somehow it took 4 seasons of murders, dismemberement and abuse for y'all to get it lol
@@userjoao no he’s still likeable even after everything
@@userjoao Uh, no. The point of the show is that Joe IS endearing and likable, which is one of many reasons why he is so dangerous.
Yes! Even Joe goes through the same disillusionment and joins us in giving up on his own redemption.
Joe needs to pay for his crimes 😐justice for Nadia. Don’t take this wrong way but I better see Penn modelling a prison uniform next season 😭😭😭
He HAS to. For real 😭. Justice for Nadia
He should be but I don’t think so coz he’s really crazy and insane, according to the law, he’s only lockup in mental hospital, that’s all . Nothing more
It’s more fun if he gets away with everything. We’re talking about a tv show, after all.
LMAOO
His ability to slide through the system the way he does makes him Joe, our lovable serial killer lol. I love that fiction part of it, crazy I know! Somehow, the writers make it work..
I want a season 5 because I want to see Joe’s ultimate demise. Until then I will stay haunted knowing that someone like Joe gets to outsmart his victims and become rich and powerful and have all the means to keep doing all he has been doing.
Part 2 absolutely killed the feeling of a likeable joe even thougn he's a serial killer you get from season 1-3. I wanted to root for him in the past......He felt so irredeemable to me by the end.
because most of what we've seen is from Joe's POV. And Joe truly believes he's a good person, so we see him that way too. That was until part 2, where we see him for how he's always been to others.
@@lovettdeleted yes agree with you! Now we see the real joe
This.
Can we talk about how phenomenal season 4's part 2 was? The plot twists, the suspense and ofcourse Joe Golderg's ✨️beard✨️
That Jonathan’s beard to me forever 😌 (because he shaved it as soon as he was joe again)
I just finished watching the show and came straight over here 😅👏
Same
Seeing Joe dissociate in Marianne's memories really shattered the illusion he puts up to everyone. In his own delusional internal monologue, he's always romantic and a little tortured, but untimely a "good person"
Exactly !!! This is what i LOVE. From his pov (which is like, the whoLe season) he seems so “normal”, likeable somewhat, etc. But ONCE it switches to an outside perspective, you finally see how crazy and psychotic he is.
@@sierramerritt1509 Right! He came off almost noble about leaving M to go be with her daughter, and he seemed to move on to a new mate, but STILL convinced himself he needed to kill if he was to save M.
Then the memories of him totally obsessed with the laptop as she begged for food/water/help/etc was like holy. Joe is totally crazy lol
Ed’s performance as Rhys was incredible 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
“Oooh I never took you as a top.” Lmao
@@johnkimble523 I now realise that 👀
Penn Badgley always at the top of his performance. respect for the actor who plays Rhys in tandem with Joe. a big crush on the performance of Tati Gabrielle (Marianne) in the cage. episode 8 of S4 is definitely my favorite I went through every emotion imaginable. congratulations to the actress who plays Nadia. For me they are the best characters in S4. respect for their work
It felt like the birth of a star. The actress who played Nadia was so good and I hope we’ll see her in many more things over the years.
Season 4's plot felt like a necessary step to get to Joe's conclusion. He had to attempt redemption and justify it psychologically by compartmentalising his shadow self (Rhys). Can't wait for season 5! Will Joe be able to accept the parts of him he is disgusted by? Will he receive justice? I think he'll be attempting to embrace Rhys to avoid the split psyche psychodrama, and make amends in a philanthropic way utilising his status. Marienne and Nadia are going to team up, possibly with some other characters to bring him down.
Imagine Ellie, Marienne, Sherry, Nadia
@@irisjasmijnvanlieshout976 100% here for that
@@irisjasmijnvanlieshout976 I’m sorry wait who’s Sherry i totally forgot
@sierramerritt1509 she's Love's "bestfriend" in season 3. Ended up in the cage with her husband after the swinger's night. 😂
Hot damn! When Penn said one word describing season 4 and he said "nope" he really nailed lol. Full on binged as soon as it dropped and i was floored
"You picked today of all days to have a spiritual awakening" Is a perfect line and I FELT healing from it. thx Xoxoxox. :3
The first biggest hint was Rhys texting him “Hey, You” out of nowhere. Only joe ever says that on the show.
And YES - the Rhys twin guess was my first thought until he said “we do have her in a cage” to joe
Nadia, Marianne & Ellie are going to form some Joe justice super group and I'm all for it.
Can’t imagine Mr. Quinn is going to be pleased to see he’s alive and a public hero in the media either… 😂
@@johnkimble523 good point! He sent a hitman to kill him after all!
They did Nadia sooooo DIRTYYYY!!! I Hope Nadia, Ellie, Theo, Paco and Marianne work together to bring him down!
hopefully not, that would be so cringe
Only Nadia and Ellie would do it for me. Marianne is done and over with Joe, Paco sees him as the person who helped him the most ever, and Theo should blame Love more than Joe and therefore doesn’t have enough reason to hunt him
I loved the detail of Joe reading the ‘texts’ from Rys throughout part 1. I felt that it was the first clue/thought that it was all a fiction, bc Joe was literally talking to himself.
The scene where joe frames Nadia is just superb
I loved Joe’s character for three seasons and in this one I hated him and I wanted Love to just come back and shot him.
Remember when in second season Love wanted to blame Ellie for murders and Joe was thinking that she is crazy and cold blooded because she was a child. Yet in this season he blamed sweet, little Nadia. My mind blown 🤯
Exactly. Cause he learned. Pay attention. He's a manipulative serial killer who literally evolved so much in his twisted ways that he perfected his craft. And now he has the ultimate protection and resources to continue doing what he always does. What he did to Nadia was HORRIFIC. It reminded me the level of how terrifying he actually is.
yeah because he finally came to peace with the fact that he is a murderer and longer thinks of himself as a good person doing his best for others. he's finally realized who he actually is
I liked him this season. He actually gets better and better every season. I hated him in the first one. The only problem is, the appeal of this show for me is seeing him get a taste of his own medicine. I love psychological thrillers, and him sparring with characters as insane as him is icing on the cake. Tho this is the season where I’d wish he’d died. Even though it’d be super messy, I wouldn’t have minded him simply dying by sucide.
@@moethemoon Joe’s suicide attempt was an attempt at redemption. It came from his “good” side. He doesn’t deserve redemption
Nadia deserved everything. She was this entitled university student who think she knows everything.
4:27 you were absolutely not alone!! I also thought he had a twin!!
hahha same
So did I lol 😂
part ii is soo meta and mind-bending and so satisfying i really have no words and no unanswered questions!! what!! a!! show!! if this is the character journey for joe then so be it!! fair-f-play! i was glued to the screen.. i cant believe he became the rich snob that he always tried not to be like (Dan Humphrey) & the way he treated Nadia UNFORGIVABLE!! unfooooooooorgivvvvvvableeeee absolutely nOT The Thames should have taken him 👋🏻
It is an actual masterpiece.
What was the point of the emphasis on whatever Joenathon said to Phoebe?
If it apparently challenged her worldview so deeply, why NEVER let US know what it was?
EXACTLY!!!!!! why would they keep pointing that out
THANK YOU because it was excruciatingly painful waiting since the moment it was mentioned for it to be revealed 😩
Joe had more chemistry with Rhys other than Kate...
Because Rhys is...Joe!
This Podcast is underrated and it’s always fun here 👏🏽
I love how penn explains the last couple episodes also OMG. Penn did fantastic on the episodes he directed!!!
I hope there will be a season 5. The last episode opens up more on what Joe could do. And like I'm interested in Joe's half brother as Joe has the funds to look for him if he wants or since Joe is now rich his status will attract his half brother to go search for him! Arghh crazy!
S5 confirmed ;)
I actually figured it out when in part 1 when they went to the house with the adjoining bathroom. "Rhys" was "friends" with these people but only interacted with Joe .. 2 dead giveaways were when he was always waking up to somebody being dead and the way Rhys internal monologue fit Joe's thoughts/tones. I got a "Secret Window" vibe from the onset.
Whatevr you do in S5, make sure to bring back Jenna Ortega's character.
she would charge crazy money now ..not sure that will happen
@@yashagrawal6198 she wanted to come to season 4. She'll be back.
Yeah I feel like that would be a cool way to end the show! Ellie kinda following in her sister’s footsteps, getting all the dirt on Joe and being the one to expose him, getting justice for Delilah and all the other women he hurt. I think they’ll definitely bring her back next season, especially if it’s the end of the series.
Maybe she would come back hoping for much, much, more compensation from his newfound fortune
I just finished Part 2 today and it was amazing! It was so fun to hear everyone's thoughts on the episodes!
#justicefornadiaandeddie
When it was revealed that Rhys was but an alternate side of Joe, I immediately recalled Fight Club and Tyler Durden.
Another dead giveaway from the beginning of the season was that Joe's internal monologue directed toward Rhys was the "You" monologue as in Rhys is the object of obsession for this season
This episode has perfectly collected and summed up my thoughts about the second part of the fourth season. Thank you so much for such an engaging, enlightening bonus episode!
i really hope he keeps seeing Rhys. Their interactions this season is the best by far
SOPHIE!! Yes!! When he opened the door and said do i know you, my thought was Rhys has a twin brother 😂😂 glad to see I wasnt alone on that one 4:35
this show is the best. penn is such an iconic person to me and the way he plays joe blows my mind . LOVE UU PENN💞
Oh I was very much looking forward to this while binging the episodes today!!
So glad to hear your BTS and analysis
Glad to be subscribed, this season was madness and I loved it, I hope we get season 5
Just finished pt. 2
oh my god that was freaking amazing!
went straight over here to hear what they are saying :D
I was left wondering who is the character that couldn't appear in the part of Joe's dream due to scheduling conflicts so I went to see that part again and I realized that when Beck is speaking, there is a moment in which all the People from the audience disappear and are replaced by peaches. So we couldn't see peach due to scheduling problems 😪
Good catch about the peaches!
However they confirmed it was actually Delilah but honestly it should have been Peach to keep in line with every woman that was killed directly by Joe
This season was fantastic from start to finish. I think episode 8 of season 4 really stole the show for me. Thank you for sharing your thoughts on experiences with this season!
Glad you did this, people know more about your kindness, LOVE YOU PENN❤
part 2 was absolutely phenomenal
I love this podcast, literally laughing along with you all!!
love podcrushed ..n l loved S4! ♥️ Thanks for all the inside info guys! Keep it coming, pls!! of course with all the down and dirty details lol..❤️🔥
Just finished pt 2!
edit: can't wait for season 5 😅 fingers crossed!!!
Yay! Oh I’m so glad you guys did this!
Holy shiitake mushrooms (I literally never comment on any comment thread so idk if swearing gets blocked)! Part Two gave me life like no other. Also, I LOVED LOVED Halsey playing over. *chef's kiss* perfection. Congrats to the hardworking cast and crew for such an amazing twist and turning Part 2. Just getting back into acting after a couple of spine surgeries... would be honored to work with anyone who had anything to do with this MASTERPIECE. :)
i just binged part two of s4., so now enjoying this, probably the best (not to mention that im sick) thursday, i have had
Same here, I wish you and us a speedy recovery. I'm still not over the ending. INSANE. 😩
I love this Podcast so much! 🤍
This season was amazing seeing his psyche break, and realizing that we couldn’t trust his perspective was so important especially bc we see him trying to start over and me as the a viewer kinda rooting for him thinking another version of love (ex wife ) in his life forcing /enabling him to kill but it’s always been him . Amazing job
just finished 2 minutes ago and IM SHOOK. Like beyond shook.
That was a whole damn 180 oh my!!!
I knew that Joe is coming back but the ending song with his narration was something 🤌🥹❤️
This season was lit, Penn was just phenomenal! I’m still in shock.
part 2 was actually insane, I need 10 more seasons.
In my opinion, part of Joe's infectious charm is that we, as viewers, want to feel as superior intellectually as he does to those around him. We spend so much time each episode proving to ourselves how unlike the other characters we are, that we glaze over Joe's blatant flaws. Mariene's episode shattered that feeling for me and made me realise that actually, I don't want to be anything like Joe at all. Everyone else isn't the problem here, it's Joe.
Penn 💕 just amazingly captivating actor - and such a sweet caring and emotionally intelligent person. hats off to you Penn. Good job as always !
Picked my jaw off my chest at the end of part 2 to text every person I studied with on my drama degree to wax lyrical about the shattering of the question of the unreliable narrator. I agree with all that episode 8 was heartbreakingly beautiful. Ps what was the nod to someone who couldn’t be there because of schedules? ❤
The Rhys twist got me and the ending was perfect..back to where it all started but 10 times crazier
The beautiful thing about Joes character is that there were a couple of us who thought Rhys had a twin brother. And it was easier for us to believe that Rhys had a twin brother than Joe being so mentally insane he made him up. That was the charm of Joe and the genius of the people who worked on the show.
Loved it and I need more
Damn that was a rollercoaster
Thank you guys to record a videopodcast this time!!! You are more than free for a topic dtour on this episode 😅
PENN DIRECTED EP 9???!!!! yesssss yesssss yesssss kudos to yooooou🎉🎉🎉🎉
i agree with Sophie that the first part was not the best and after watching the second part it made me appreciate the season as a whole! it was truly one of the best seasons for me. i didnt know where the story was going and i LOVE that!!!!
also the part that Nava was like "rhys has a twin!!" i thought the same exact thing until we realize that it was all in Joe's head LOL
thanks for the bonus episode!! :)
Series 4 was beyond brilliant. Part 2 shocked me over and over again.. I'm still thinking about it!!
Because it wasn't w0k€ as other seasons were.
Awesome season and an awesome podcast
“Nope” to all of it 😂 but mostly, I’m so relieved that Joe was rescued from the water. I’m ready for season 5, please 🙃
My heart truly stopped when I thought You was recreating a PLL Charles type beat. I was very happy with the outcome - You fo ev'
Exactly ! Episode 8 is the best episode ever!
I had to text my friend immediately after watching the episode. It was crazyyyyyyyy
This podcast makes me laugh so hard I love everything about this ❤😂
IVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS ONE
when part 1 ended, i saw the theory that rhys was just part of joe's imagination, and the only reason i doubted it, was that i didn't know how they would explain it in a mental health way, without making it DID. but when they had the lady with erotomania, i knew it would be that, because the clues were too flagrant. so really it wasn't a twist when it was revealed in e7, cuz i knew.
i agree with penn though, when the season finished, it felt like the end of a chapter, joe's emotional arc the entire show, he has constantly been pudhing away the killer part of him, always trying to justify it and pretend it wasn't there, so the ending with him fully acknowledging who he is, with all the power in the world, and huring nadia, with no more pretense, this feels like the beginning of the end, like we need a final season to conclude everything. even more with the fact that he is back as joe goldberg in new york, the place where it all began for him, where his estranged mom and brother are, i fell like s5 needs to be the end of joe
Wow this gave me a lot to think about I'm gonna start the series over again.
Finished the second part last night. I need to go back and watch the 4th season again
I couldn't agree more with the female perspective part, it was perfect! thank you for these episodes
LOVED IT PENN THAQNK YOU SO MUCH!!
when will joe ever face the consequences of his own actions? 😔
Prob the last season
can't wait to see him rot in jail for the rest of his life
Im guessing next season there’s a lot of loose ends
hopefully never :) long live Joe
Hopefully as soon as possible, 'cause he get worse and worse every season (and more cruel)
Am I the only one who had fun with the rhys and joe tandem? It's like I still want more of them working and bantering with each other for the next season (IF there will be another season).
I thought Rhys had a twin too...and he killed the wrong one, my bad 😂😂😂
::Jesse Pinkman voice:: He can’t keep getting away with this!!!😫 I don’t know why I went into this season thinking it was its last; the assumption only made the ending more mind-blowing. I don’t like that Joe got a happy ending, but at least Marianne did. Ah Nadia. Ah😮💨
TY Podcrushed team for this debrief. Loved Nava’s list of breadcrumbs. Cool that Penn got to direct and really interesting insight in how season 5 Joe wouldn’t be the outsider looking in anymore. I had the same reaction as Sophie seeing Love on screen, excited she appeared and sad that it was so quick!
I thought it was really interesting how some people thought that part 1 of season 4 was leading up to a Joe “redemption arch.” I personally didn’t think this at all, his murders seemed more heartless and with less “justification” even in part 1, but you can really see in part 2 how that’s not where the season is going at all😂 Also a lot of people thought that the lady who ended up being Phoebe’s stalker was going to be his mom, which could’ve been a really interesting spin too
I wanted to know how it was for Penn filming the scene where he is underwater after jumping into the river. How was it filmed and was it difficult? What did Penn think while reading the script and did he think that Joe should not have been saved and for the writers to end the season with the world uncovering Joe's secrets after Nadia did everything that she did to expose him.
More Joe = more penn = more money in Penny's pocket = more money for Netflix = book accurate.
And both of yours "nope variations" are good
Wait, I was really hoping to hear about that nod at Joe’s ex that couldn’t make it for scheduling reasons!! I’m guessing that was for Candace
@@podcrushedpodcast oh, of course! Thank you
I’m happy I didn’t let comparisons to prior seasons disuade me from giving Season 4 a chance. It was a thought-provoking and new twist that had me hooked from start to finish. Now I get why the two parts were divided because I am MIND BLOWN 🤯
I could listen to him describe the nuances of doing scenes with Love vs anybody else on a loop.
Man, part 1 was slow and I was worried about the quality, but damn part 2 really paid off!!
I’ve just finished part 2, wow wow wow
38:39 I think I more figured that this was a breadcrumb about the realization(later) that Joe was obsessing over Rhys, and about how he see himself and his desire to be a redeemed guy who “has a past but ultimately uses and overcomes it to do good”.