..Defending the Zenith Stones?? - MindHawk's Challenge Gauntlet: Legacy of the Void - pt7
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Hey guys, sorry for the lack of video yesterday, I have been a bit under the weather.
Also sorry for not getting the bonus objective, I have been a bit under the weather.
If you see anybody in the comments upset about this, please both point and laugh at them for being mad about a video game.
How can you be under the weather? You're a giant, you should be ABOVE it!
No, i will be mad becouse if they dont want you at your Worst (when youre ill) they dont deserve your amazing high Quality Content :>
i am apalled that someone will get mad at someone else, like am not sure i can even do the mission with the challange while you do it so easily.
blah blah pretend to get mad over a video game blah blah
"I am NOT getting the bonus. If You get angry about it, GET LOST" xD
I fully support this Grant, awesome video, please rest up!
The stones. The stones of Zenith. The stones chosen specifically to charge the temple to Zenith. Zenith Stones.
Those stones?
YES THOSE STONES!
Are you sure it's those stones?
Riiiiiiiggghhht....
Them stones
I feel like the Zenith Charge speed mechanic, while neat, is ultimately wasted since it's a feedback loop.
Fuck up - lose a zenith stone - charge slows - you have to deal with more waves - you're now more likely to fuck up again
Sure, you have one less stone to defend, but it's not like you can just stop defending that side, since the zerg will still be coming for your base.
The more you lose, the harder it becomes to win.
As a result, it's easier to just restart after losing a stone, rendering the charge mechanic pointless. Might as well make "lose 1 stone" the lose condition.
If the stones exploded, wiping out the zerg on that side, then I feel like that would be much more interesting. Much easier too, but you can help with that by just adding to the waves.
Did you watch the video? He lost stones but didn't lose the mission.
The deciding matter is not whether you lose a stone, but rather when you lose them. Before 600m is devastating and probably a redo. 600-800m is probably manageble but bad (though would be fine if you are going for bonus, though I don't know how you lose a stone and go for bonus, maybe intentionally make one side weak so you can fall back?). Anything after 800m, as long as you don't lose too many, is probably fine.
@@justanoman6497 Did you read the comment? They said "much harder to win," not impossible. It's almost undeniable that there's a feedback loop; Grant himself talks about it in the video you supposedly watched.
@@fleurdemur He said, and I quote "Might as well make "lose 1 stone" the lose condition." That is going too far.
Two words: challenge guantlet. That said, if somebody took this idea elsewhere, I would suggest a few changes, each is exclusive, but not mutually so. Reduce zerg size in that lane, possibly mission reset in effect. Cause damage over time to zerg in that lane. Restore shields to toss in that lane, say 1 per second, could affect hybrid too for lols. Artifact nova on Zenith destruction, map wide, to buy you 30ish seconds.
28:25 The LOOONG spine crawler broke me
37 Zenith Stones
0:56
1:06
1:14
1:16
1:32
2:16
2:41
3:05
3:18
3:21
3:48
4:12
4:37
5:16
5:44
6:08
6:32
6:57
7:44
7:54
7:56
11:06
11:08
11:31
12:56
13:07
13:08
24:30
25:26
30:03
30:25
30:28
35:38
36:03
36:44
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36:52
@@druumuuluum bro....
@@nikkisew the zenith stone ?
@@nikkisew Agreed. Stone.
@@druumuuluum That's a lot of Zenith Stones.
When they said Zenith stones, I felt it
Not to be confused with the Zerus stones that Kerrigan needs to transform into her Primal form.
Zerus Stones are used to make soup.
This Mission was the Zenith Stones we made along the ways with Hierarch Grantanis.
I guess his flagship is named Grantrithor
@@usermann_5731 I will Steer the Grantrithor into a Collision course with the Zenith Stones!
@@markhu2966 damn, now I want to see Grantrithor as a custom unit with Grant's voicelines in LotV TTG
@@usermann_5731 Grantrithor's Space Bizzare Adventure featuring the Marauder Bros
28:27 That spine crawler took work from home too seriously
This spine was from a zerg version of a girafe ... is a spiiiiiiiiiiiine
@@nmgaro2156 Memes of the Swarm should totally get upgradeable spines that gets one more "i" and one more range per upgrade. like LotV meme archoooon.
Looooong loooooong maaaaaaaaannnn
as a static defense entrepreneur, yeah that was just insanity, it was already impressive enough that Grant managed to salvage that and get a win. his most solid defense was the one on the bottom right, and u could see that close to the end it was barely holding itself together. it's sad that he lost the bonus, but it would've been a massive ordeal to try and get it. his choice was completely reasolable.
but well, with that said, i think there's a total of 20 solarite missed, hopefully it won't come back to bite him later on
11:26 The Zenith Stones, apparently.
Agreed. Stones
Artanis's Bizarre Adventure: Zenith Stone Ocean
Daelaam Crusaders was better imo.
@@kabob0077
Wasn't that the one where Zeratul kept screaming "What? Impossible!?" all the time in every situation?
Whereas in the previous arc he fought against the three Xel'Naga Pillar Zealots?
And he needed the help of the Tal'darim to defeat them? "Tal'darim warriors are the best warriors!"
@@stylesrj Baby Amon!!!
Fortunately knowing Mindhawk we can assume the ultimate spear skills will be severely nerfed so i guess it's fine that Grant will most likely not get them XD
Next mission is known for being hard so i would laugh if the challenge was "no challenge, this one is hard enough already" tho
I actually think purposely losing a stone early might make it easier, particularly if going for the bonus. If going for the bonus, you don't need all 3 stones to charge to reach full charge before the bonus is achieved. First, you can set up a better concave on the ramps for a more effective defense on that lane. If you do this early, your defenses will hold better. And with a good defense there, you can funnel more resources to the other lanes. Secondly, when Grant did lose stones late, it massed multiple attack waves at the stone, which once the stone was destroyed, then proceeded to all hit his base at once and he couldn't defend. Early on though, the storms the stones release are effective against the weaker units, so the bunched up waves there got thinned out and were not threatening once they moved on to his base. So by taking that loss early, you don't have to defend against multiple overwhelming waves at once. In fact, the stones end up doing some early clearing, so letting one fall actually takes off the early pressure and gives you time to properly build your defense. I'd still probably use some DTs to defend that lane for a little while like grant did. Just once its time to set up permanent defenses, give up one of the lanes and fall back to the ramp in that lane.
Artanis: Stone
Vorazun: Stone
Karax: Stone
Stone: Truck
Ah yes, Zenith Stones.
The ancient monoliths allegedly charging the Xel'naga Temple. We have dismissed this claim.
28:15 Long long -man- spinnneessss!!!! What a legend. That spine is got everyone's _back_ covered xD
In this episode, Grant gets stoned
Agent Zenith Stone
Sad day for the swarm. A new strain of spine crawler with greater reach appeared on Shakuras, but the planet blew up before a sample could be retrieved and will be lost forever. x')
Thanks for being up to the challenge! ^^
And Zenith Stones!
Zenith Stones.
Indeed, stones.
Zenith Stones.
Stone has reached the zenith, gone back in tine and retconned these to always have existed, and proceeded to get zenith stoned.
Zenith stones.
I love watching grant, because he will see a hint that is super vague and somehow give a perfect prediction of what is about to happen, and other times the challenge hint will say "the Zenith stones are needed to charge the temple." and then be confused as to why he cant attack it. AND HE STILL IS IMPOSSIBLE TO GET EVEN SLIGHTY ANNOYED WITH.
I've tried defending the lanes before, and it's rough. The best place to start is actually in line with the Zenith stones, since you can expand the firing arc into that area. In the end, though, I had to start building units to supplement the defense, since there simply isn't enough damage density from cannons in such a confined space.
.....This is horrifying. Mindhawk is horrifying.
I don't blame you at all for ignoring the bonus on this awful mission. The 10 solarite lost last mission would be much more reasonable to recover.
Yeah, the bonus is absolutely impossible if you're going for the "defend all 3 stones" strategy. You'd need perfect baneling sniping micro which is just not realistic. The monoliths are too damned big to fit in the lanes and you really need lots of them to hold anything after 800M. It might be possible if you gave up one stone and defended the ramp in that lane, but even then, that's a hell of a long time to survive against constant waves of hybrid and banelings.
15:34 seems like an ideal situation for the little-used Patrol command. Set the DTs on a short patrol back and forth across the path, they'll attack stuff that comes close but then go back to that path when there's no enemies around.
Yes. Stones. 🤣
Zenith Stones
Agreed. Stones.
Good job Grant! I cannot imagine somehow surviving to 1.5 billion with those massive hordes of hybrid! Hope you get well soon!
I’m not mad about the lack of the bonus objectives, I’m just worried that the later missions will be balanced around having all the solarite, so missing 10 last mission and 10 this mission could push them over the edge.
Somehow, the only thing i can think of when i hear "defences" is "gargarensis"
We must construct additional Petsobeck.
Zenith. Stones.
artanis. ZENITH STONES
Once again MindHawk shows that he can do Memes and viciously hard challenges hehe ;D
Zenith Stone.
28:15 That one spine crawler ate the Gum-Gum Fruit.
Buy the void.
This is how I play this mission in coop with Karax, defending in base is boring, push out and take over enemy spawn location :D
28:15 From the creators of Tall Zealot, comes brand new Long Crawler
Holy moly that looks so hard! Well played Grant!
So, with the benefit of 20/20 hindsight, I think it would/might be better to do this mission with 1) maxed out building speed and 2) Energizers (to mainly boost Dragoons; Annihilators would be a nice addition too, but probably too expensive) and 3) Shield Batteries are simply not worth the real-estate - you need max damage output, so either cannons or monoliths :')
I think that's what I'm gonna try out when this mod becomes available
(only to get rekt cuz my skill level is wayyyy below Grant's, lol)
Hierarch Grant, the Zenith stones!
The comment about "losing at the 30 min mark because you messed up at the 5 min mark" reminds me of xcom long war, one of my favorite games ever (technically a mod but it makes the base game look like easy mode tutorial), although there it's "you messed up 5 real life weeks ago so you lose now", personally I don't think that's bad design but it's definitely an opt-in kinda thing.
One of my favorite games/mods. Yeah you definitely need to think about things through as one of the easiest ways to lose the mid-game is if you don't prioritize upgrading and improving your aircraft pretty early on. Then you get to sit and glumly watch as dozens of ufos swarm your chosen continent wreaking havoc while all your jets are currently being repaired.
Karax despairing at the loss of solarite
Zenith Stones?
Agreed. Stones.
The Zenith Stones.
28:19 Okay, that Spine has one HELL of a Range upgrade...
If HotS meme edition is ever a thing, the long spine crawler *must* be there xd
Artanis, Zenith stones.
Agreed. Stones.
I really like Tower Defense games which is why this is one of my favorite missions to do. Though I've never used the Monoliths to defend since I don't got them in COOP, I still love defending with static defenses. Kind of a shame you don't like the mission as well but it's understandable, I would hate this mission if I played Mindhawk's challenge too lol
Really glad that the right side stone had super good position. Not only the chokepoint is narrow enough but the attack wave also had to make a U turn to get to it
Zenith stones
Zenith Stones: Assuming each zenith stone charges at constant speed relative to the number of zerg in shakuras, then the bonus could be achieved by focussing on defending 2 Zenith Stones and sacking the other Zenith Stone, most likely, the Zenith Stone near the main entrance. This mission is nice in theory but it is just last stand but you can lose, so i guess its worse lol.
Indeed, Stones
Grant, Zenith Stones!
that long spine crawler though
Behold, our lord and saviors The Zenith Stones.
battery buffs would've been nice.
OMG, those two last missions were a pain :O You managed them greatly despite that!
This is a super interesting challenge.
The objective of this mission is super unique. There's three Zenith Stones, each guarded by a progressively stronger force of Daelaam...
It seems if you go for the solarite you can do just 2 zenith stones and recharge in time. Maybe that could save enough minerals in one defense (cause you won't have to replace your defensive buildings on a ramp) to then keep the other 2 going? Or do some light defense of 3 for a while then drop to 2 or 1 later.
Impossible! Zenith Stones on Aiur! It is they who have been controlling the Zerg!
Since the stones attack the zerg (and I assume not you), I feel like there might be a decent strategy of putting some defence around the stones and some up the ramp. The stone's extra damage and the enemies splitting themselves up might make up for the added cost of building in more locations.
So in the end, the Protoss turns out to be nothing more than a group of stoners.
Zenith Stones, Zenith Stones. Zenith Stone!
Artanis. Artanis. Artanis! ARTANIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIS!
Zenith Stones.
The playlist order grant eh playlist order! other than that love the vods and the challenge if its hard for you i can't imagine trying myself i aint that skilled
- Stones?
- Stones!
Id love to see you try again when youre feeling better for that bonus, great effort though that last hybrid rush is insane.
Glad youre feeling better!
This was the canon way to play this mission.
Its not about the temple but the cannons we made along the way
17:03 1, 2, 3, 4, I declare a photon war!!!!
"If a shield battery starts with full energy, like in multiplayer..."
Who's gonna tell him?
okay so the next meme mod will have infinite range tentacles with no vision so you just sit them at that back of your base and let them hit everything as you move lol.
so for future memes we have karax solarite addiction and vorazun zenith stone collection?
lol, notice how grant was 10 short to having all middle row spear options X D
i wonder where that solarite was X D
The LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG> spine crawler
Distracted boyfriend meme with Karax admiring Zenith Stones while Solarite looks angry dot jpg
Its fine! You did great.
Over the Zenith
Through the Stone
Nothing but Grant
I can't be mad at this missed 10 solarite, i'm only Zenith Stone
Missed opportunity when there is no Ghost Agent Stone
prediction, there is not as much solarite in the campaign as grant thinks there is
usually he forgets to kill them stones so this might be the lesson he needs!
Can all of humanity fit inside a single Zenith Stone?
The Zenith Stones!
All this talk of Zenith stones and notice once did anyone say
"ARtAnIs YoU hAvE bIg StOnEs" Mindhawk really dropped the ball.
ah, yes. the siege-spine...
I wonder if the rush for each mission is so tight you hardly get upgrades then wouldn't static defense shine from that.
Ahh yes, stones.
R.I.P. spine crawler family 🙏🙏😔😛
Okay, but have you thought about doing it deathless?
So Artanos and the Avengers have to protect the stones for the Gauntlet...
Couldn't you reload and cheese with Spear of Adun, target delay? Like the no loss campaign.
Agreed, Stones.
Grant, Zenith Stones.
Honestly, why would I be mad that you didn’t do the bonus objective?
At the absolute worst, it’s going to bite you later when you really want something for spear of adun and you’ll be 10 short. But other than a “ha ha, things are harder” bit, nothing really changes.
Hope you’re feeling better now!
Mind hawk Gauntlet on brutal: near perfect micro and macro to pull a win with seconds remaining
OR
Mass cannon…
giving up on one of the zenith stones early seems to be the way for the 1.5 bil
Was my first thought, but it might not work all that well. The thing to keep in mind is that the zerg number ramp up is not linear. 1B takes 25 min while 1.5B takes 30min.
It seems that if he kept all stones perfectly healthy, full charge will happen at around 24.5--he started losing them at 24 and full charge at 25.3 min. This means assuming charge rate reduction is linear, losing one stone as early as possible (at around 2 min mark) he would need to defend till about 35. An extra 5 min on the tail end of this mission is murder.
To get a 30 min charge, he would need to keep all 3 for about 15 min, then run on two for the next 15. But the amount of investment to keep one for 15 min is pretty heavy and at that point I'm not sure if it's reasonable to give it up. Especially as your defense line is just going to fall back at your base but you are still effectively defending 3 points so there isn't much benefit.
Energizers would make a big difference no?
The Zenith stones.
Zenith Stones!
Las Piedras Cénit (The Zenith Stones in Spanish because we need inclusion jk jk)
Die Zenithsteine.