2023 Bow drop “innovative or gimmick”
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- Опубліковано 10 вер 2024
- We discuss this years bow releases from the major bow companies: Mathews, Elite, Bowtech, PSE, Prime and Hoyt. We talked about the changes made for 2023 and answer the question is it “innovation or gimmick”. Tune in to see our opinions.
You don’t pull pressure off the strings…lots of people are saying that but that’s wrong you back the axle screw out a little. That’s how I take pressure off the system.
Thank you for the info!
This year was definitely a stand still on innovation (bound to happen) that being said Mathew’s did some what outside the box with 4 limbs not that they needed it they already beat most competition in the dead in hand category
Pse didn’t really do anything same with Hoyt
Elite new cam is money
Bow tech takes the cake with time lock and the shim system they have
It would be nice to see if other bow companies would get into the accessories battle like Mathew’s pse is a great platform but a inline quiver system would put them in another category
Hey Travis thanks for watching! Great points, we totally agree!! We would love to see If Bowtech works on an inline type sight mount also. Thank you for your comments!!
All I know, coming from a Hoyt carbon spyder is I have never heard as quite of a bow as the phase 4. It really is impressive.
Hey Steven thanks for watching! There is no doubt that it is impressive, maybe our expectations are just too high.
@@brosbeforebowshunting it’s a fair point, I think the technology has peaked. They can’t get any faster without some major innovations and still be smooth. I think little tweaks is all we will see until someone comes up with a game changer
We were kinda hoping for the game changers this year, I guess we will have to see what next year brings! Stay tuned, we have some great content coming!
Mathews is innovation Mathews research isn't a gimmick being the leaders in design and sales every bow made has Mathews old roller guard patient and carbon risers are made overseas and only shoot made in USA products Mathews has the sales in the most buyers that is strength in the company
Thank you for watching and sharing your thoughts! Mathews has made some great innovations in the past, we wanted to address the new ones for 2023. In our opinion the bows cam, tuning, mod system and performance haven’t changed in the past 3-4 years. We had high hopes and always look forward to what Mathews has to offer. Don’t take it personal, we were under whelmed. We both have been given the green light to pick a 2023 bow, stay tuned to see what we end up with!
@brosbeforebowshunting I'm truthfully not a fan of a binary cam system with cam lean by design and cable pressures tied directly to the cams without free floating yokes that is spread out farther away from the cams on the Advanced Vectoring System to balance the load in my testing on a drawboard with a arrow used as a straight edge against the shelf of the cams at brace is dead behind the string at the Dloop to mimic the powerstroke of the shot the same as I would yoke tune a Solocam and at full draw the cams are straight running 1/8 Parallel along side the string and I shoot perfect bullets though paper with the Vertix it's tough to beat the switch weight crosscentric cams for tuning but cam lean from different manufacturers I exclusively look at closely that's all part of horizontal nock travel and seen worse on other top manufacturers that never gets mentioned.
I just picked up an SX80
Thanks for watching! Like we said it is definitely one of the bows that peaked our interest. One of us will definitely be reviewing it this year. Good luck and let us know what you think!
Go shoot a Revex and you’ll have a different opinion. I owned an inline 5 and shot a Revex 4 and bought it immediately. The draw cycle is 100% smoother and better then the inline and it’s much quieter and less vibration!
Thanks for watching! After putting out this video we have had a lot of feedback on the Revex, don’t misunderstand what we said, as soon as I can, I will definitely get my hands on that bow. Prime has always been one of my favorites. Unfortunately where we live makes it a little more challenging and or expensive for us to truly put a Prime to the test. When we do we will definitely let you know what we think! Stay tuned!
I have a V3 X and have shot the Phase 4 many times at the shop…..you should really shoot the bows before you opine on them. The Phase 4 is a better shooting bow, though not enough to motivate me to upgrade; definitely not a gimmick. Oh, and you can still use whatever stabilizer you want…..now you have another option.
Great point
Another thing I noticed about the new bows besides the carbon. Is the weight.
Hey John thanks for watching! It seems some companies are chasing sound and vibration, sometimes with heavier bows it it easier to achieve those goals. Not sure if that is the case but thanks for the comment!
nice vid, yeh bows have certainly plateaued over the last few years i think what most of the companies have done is just given more options and finally some longer ata bows, in saying that ive ordered the bowtech sx80 to replace my revolt x, the specs on the sx80 are exactly what i was after, 34" ATA or more, 31.5" draw and a 80lb option
Thank you for watching and commenting! Good luck with the sx 80, let us know what you think!
I shoot Mathews I feel y'all are 100% accurate.i buy the new bow every year but I haven't the last few nothing has really changed ...also viper makes the stabilizer for Mathews less than half price
Hey Scott thanks for watching! Thank you also for your honest opinion!
> $750 for hunting stabalizers....?
Why not do value added Mathews...
Better grip design
Better strings.
Running from Mathews towards Elite.
Thank you for watching and commenting! We totally agree!
Couldn’t agree more. My first bow was a lift over Bowtech Realm X I found on a shelf last year. Got caught up in the Mathews hype and bought a V3X because everyone in my club was shooting Mathews. It’s a nice bow, smooth and dead for sure, but can’t be consistent with it at all. The grip kills it for me. Will try a Shrewd grip before I give up on it. Going back to Bowtech. Glad to see some unbiased review finally. Shot the Phase 4 also decked out. Felt absolutely no difference compared to my V3X.
Thank you for watching and commenting! Smooth and vibration free is great, but the grip and other things can make or break the entire experience!
@@acohen5267 check out total peep tech grip. They just came out for Mathews
We will have to check it out
Everything Mathews came out with since the McPherson Reezen and Monster bows is all gimmick. The floating yoke system sucks and now requires you to shim the cams, whereas previously, all you had to do was twist one side of the yoke to get perfect centershot. And now you have to buy their tophat kits to do so at extra cost ON TOP OF the expensive cost of these bows already!! Their tophat kits sholuld come FREE with every bow! Their "innovations" have done nothing but make setting up and tuning their bows more costlier, difficult and time-consuming. And with the floating yokes, now you (I) have to make 5 strings AND take the cams off in order to change them! As for their Phase 4 "innovation," I can just see that rubber gasket between the limbs deteriorating. I shoot a Diamond Infinite Edge Pro and I find it's just as quiet without the limb gasket technology at 1/5 the cost.
Thanks for watching and commenting! You have some great points, additional costs for top hat system does seem excessive. Time will tell how the built in limb dampener system will hold up in harsh hunting environments. I have a feeling that will be an issue. Good luck in the woods!!
Comparing a Mathews to a Diamond isn’t a way to garner any credibility.
@@michaelcolthart4006 that's because you've never tuned an Infinite Edge Pro to shoot a perfect 300 round - ua-cam.com/video/HO6nhUKNHzw/v-deo.html I've got mine set up similarly and shot a great round at a 300 match.
You don't need to mortgage your house to enjoy archery. You SHOULDN'T have to sell a kidney to do so, either.
Neither is charging thousands of dollars for a stabilizer system, honesty is credibility
@@michaelcolthart4006 you also probably don't work on hundreds of different bows a year and learning the nuances of each brand. I do.
Is timelock on the Bowtech reckoning not innovative? Being able to alter cam timing without a press sounds pretty unique to me.
Hey Marty first thing thanks for watching, when we put this video together we were more focused on the hunting bows. Not that you couldn’t use the reckoning as a hunting bow, you definitely could. We did discuss the let off adjustment being independent of the draw length as a definite “innovation”. We just wish Bowtech would have done that with some of the hunting platforms. Great comment! Stay tuned!
What do you guys think about the new darton bows?
Hey thanks for watching! Darton is definitely one of the companies that is on our radar. They have recently picked up some heavy hitters in the target scene. We haven’t had a chance to shoot one but if we did the Veracity 35 is probably the first one we would shoot. The biggest obstacle is availability. We aren’t very close to any big archery shops and none that we know of carry Darton. Hopefully they become more readily available, and we get a chance to check them out! Stay tuned!
Great target bows there prelude 32 has a massive hump and dump. I’m not a huge fan. If u hunt hindge or thumb button it’s tricky Bec when it dumps it’s pretty intense and can cause a unintentional shot fire.
The transition from draw to valley to back wall is something we both pay attention to. Not a dealbreaker if other aspects make up for it but plays a big role in the overall shooting experience!
@@brosbeforebowshunting I agree it’s a awesome bow and a lot of people new or not seasoned in archery knowledge don’t know that 90% of bows of all makers probably have a part that’s invented/ manufactured/ patented by darton on there bow. I personally really like the rx7 ultra and elite carbon era. I am not a biased archer at all I have had mathews, bowtech, Hoyt, Martin, Athens , elite, bear, older bow by archery research, golden eagle, high country, browning and I’m sure a few others. It’s all abt what feels comfortable. If you are a late season archer like me from north east Ohio, I want something super smooth and comfortable. When it’s 15 out I’m not a fan of fighting a cam while
Sitting in the stand freezing. Thanks for the review guys and comments. God bless
I’m also on a common man’s budget so I will be shooting my impulse 34 for 3d and setting up a new left over stock impulse 31 for hunting. Sold the halon x and still rocking the bowtech air raid. I’ve had a few realm x and realms and I couldn’t fall in love. If I can get my hands on a mint of left over impulse 34 for a solid price I will jump on it
I will say this about Prime. They got caught up in a lawsuit with Hoyt over the "Inline" name and lost. Sooo they had to completely stop production and retool. The new Revex is a shooter so dont poopoo on Prime. The mod system is more efficient than a rotating mod. Hoyt shit in their nest for me over a frivolous lawsuit over a name and not a tech feature. I would understand if it had been a similar system but it wasnt even remotely the same. Another instance of deep pockets shitting on the smaller guy. Other than that I completely agree with your assessment of the other bow companies offerings. Pretty much meh for me too.
Hey Patrick thanks for watching and commenting! We had heard some whispers over the “inline” lawsuit. Don’t get us wrong, Prime has been and always will be one of our favorite companies. We agree that having a draw specific mod will definitely produce a smoother draw and more efficient cam system however we didn’t consider that to be “innovative”. I would have forked the cash for a shiny new revex 4 if it was available in a shop remotely close to us with the correct draw mods. But it unfortunately was not available. I will definitely own that bow eventually…
Where r u dudes from? I’d love to shoot with you some time
Thanks for watching! We are currently in western Colorado and spend some time in south eastern Utah. If you ever find yourself in a 3D shoot out this way maybe we can make it happen!
@@brosbeforebowshunting nice! I’m in South West Utah, hope to see you around some time
Let us know if head to MAF or TAC!