Why Nimona's Villain is a disappointment...
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I think people need to understand that humanizing a villain doesn't necessarily means making them sympathetic or people you'd root for. Humans can be dick too. A good example demonstrating this I feel is the movie Downfall, which took time to show Hitler in a more human light, giving him some moments of occasional kindness and sadness... while still not letting us forget that this in no way nullifies the fact he was a horrifying person with a garbage ideology that killed thousands of people.
Millions, not thousands
For me personally, I'd like more nuanced Disney antagonists, not necessarily villains, that are complex and challenge the protagonist's perspectives. That's why Magnifico was a waste; he had a point, but because they made him a random heel-turn villain, it was neglected.
If anything Magnifico is the victim not the villain.
@@calebray1834 According to Amaya's voice actor, during the audition process, only Amaya was evil, so it explains why the finalized take on Magnifico feels kind of sympathetic.
Apparently Frollo was inspired by one of the Nazi’s from Schindler’s List. I am not joking.
I can...DEFINITELY see the similarities there.
Scar and Frollo are in my opinion the two best Disney Villains. In minute one you know how evil they are.
Key ingredient, make them sound british.
@@maurycyoseka1057 just straight up evil, no symphathy
One of the things that can make or break a villain is whether or not they feel empathy. Dark personality types are incapable of feeling empathy so no matter what they are always out for number 1, whereas some villains truly believe they are doing the right thing and working for a greater good, even though their actions are truly vile. I think of Anakin Skywalker here, how he felt certain that he was bringing order to the galaxy despite hurting the people he wanted to love.
I wish movies would have classic Disney style villains again. But despite how hollow and forgettable the Director is, Nimona will always be an incredible film, and one of my favorites.
You see the problem with most villains you see in animated movies from Disney dreamworks and illumination is that their villains are not as dark as the ones from the 90s or 80's the modern villains are not that scary they usually portray being more comical then frightening
I don't want classic villains per se since a lot of them didn't feel fleshed out beyond the trait of selfishness. Frolllo always stood out to me because he rationalized his villainy--and Magnifico and Namaari could've been our foray into a generation of more nuanced, complex Disney villains. (Also gotta give a shoutout to live-action Lady Tremaine; she was still evil, but they gave a humane reason for it besides "the plot needs her to be evil".)
Bro- you’re everywhere
@@OpticalSorcererI don’t think there’s anything wrong with simple villains. But I get what you mean.
I think what people want are the villains that can’t always be redeemed or villains that have that redemption *earned*; the kind of villains that are threatening, those the audience are *supposed to hate,* or *fear.* Or at least have more screen time to establish them as the clear villain, even if they’re often played down for comedy (or are more-so comedic).
That’s why when Puss in Boots: The Last Wish came out, people loved Jack Horner & Death, both had enough screen time to establish the kinds of villain they are. One was a selfish business man with comedic moments, almost akin to Hades, King Candy, Yzma, etc.; the other was a recurring danger and posed a serious threat to the main character, which could only be resolved by the true final confrontation (like Lord Shen or Syndrome).
I think people want villains like that. Instead of a dumb twist villain that gets revealed near the end of the movie (that may or may not be redeemed so quickly), people want villains that are *villains* from the start or *villains* that you root against (regardless of their charm). Redeemable villains need to feel a bit more earned and show signs that they can be redeemed, which some media fails to achieve.
@@Dr.Oofers I can agree to that. I'm not a fan of simple villains (kinda outgrew them as I got older, tbh), but I do think Twist villains are played out for Disney right now. Bellweather was one of the few necessary twists because "Zootopia" was a cop film.
I agree with the need villains having more screentime. Yokai was underrated because they wanted him to be mysterious before the plot twist, and Namaari was just here and there (and she didn't not do enough for her redemption; I LOVE redeemed villains, but that's hard to do in one film, and by the next one, they've essentially already been labeled by the audience as a bad guy for life)--honestly I could write an essay on how "Raya" could've been a better movie and maybe my favorite Disney movie ever, but that's another discussion entirely, lol.
The director was the biggest downgrade from the original graphic novel. In the graphic novel she was more cunning and sadistic. Although her backstory was not explored in the graphic novel she was Serviceable. And she was not a human in the graphic novel she was a goblin that has some similarities to a human and the director in the movie is not a good villain. Well the movie is good but it does have it's ups but a few downs and a much lighter take on the graphic novel which was grittier and darker and the film took creative libraries and it was for the good
She was so forgettable that I thought you meant the movie director
What makes a great Villian is PRESENTATION!
Disney should try taking inspiration from characters like Michael Myers, Ghostface, Chucky, etc for their villains.
Would be interesting
A lot more gore for sure
Holy shit that deleted scene was disturbing the music the camera shots and the reveal of the queen and the director loving on each other is so just sad the way everything looks makes me feel uncomfortable and uneasy which is fucking AMAZING I wish they kept it in as dark as it is.
Dang, imagine if we got that deleted scene. That would’ve made things a lot more interesting
Bring back the classic villains!
We need more villains like maleficent
Or more like Superfly from Ninja Turtles: Mutant Mayhem.
@@owenkeys3937 that too
@@owenkeys3937 "I can't leave without my buddy Superfly."
@@owenkeys3937no
Great points! I miss classic Disney villains.
It would be so cool to have you reviewing other classic Disney villains. Perhaps a ranking.
I got chills seeing that deleted scene. And you're right, the director doesn't have a name and thought it was Amelia or something while watching the movie or Susan.
The director being in love with the queen while representing homophobia sounds brilliant. Sometimes people discriminate while deep down seeing themselves in what they hate/fear.
Christian movies do that all the time: if the villain seems to be an atheist and hate christians, it's because deep down he believes in God but hates him.
Also, Planet of the Apes: Dr. Zaius deems humans as inferior, but deep down he knows they used to rule the world. The human villain from Conquest of The Planet of the Apes downright says that he hates apes because he sees them as symbols of his own wild side which he hates.
Davy Jones from POTC hates love because he's a scorned lover and he hates that part of himself. Judge Doom from Roger Rabbit hates toons while he is a toon himself.
So, a homophobic villain being lesbian herself (either closeted or just in denial) is brilliant.
I think they should have used the director as a reflection of the fear displayed by the populace over the outside. In my opinion, the most impactful line the director had was, " Every night I see the wall crack and crumble and a tide of darkness sweep over the land," yada yada. They should have doubled down on that, portraying her slow descent into madness. Her mask of nobility cracking into the monster who almost blew up thousands of people with a railgun.
Besides, there are tons of examples of people reaching positions of power, only to pull the ladder up and not attempt to change anything, just to keep their comfy seat.
I think the assumption in real life that people who are homophobic are just projecting being in the closet can be a dangerous one HOWEVER IN A MOVIE where things don’t have to be perfectly accurate to life, that would actually be fascinating and not too different from any of these other examples
@@manskronqvist2537 You do make a very good point. For accuracies sake I should point out that technically there's no evidence she's homophobic, her hatred of Nimona is an allegory, but that's a bit pedantic.
@@AlexBadger Very very true, in the graphic novel she was actually openly homophobic but I think critiquing something on the basis of non-adapted source material is pedantic too
I thought I left a video playing in the background around the 2 minute mark, turns out it was part of the video lol
The Director was more of an actual villain than Magnifico at least, she was about to destroy the entire city in order to kill Nimona whereas Magnifico made good points about not granting every wish, crushed a few wishes which did nothing but make people a wee bit sad, pushed people around and held them down with some green magic and rant and rave about "no more hope, no more dreams, no more wishing on stars," which is extremely vague and not threatening in the slightest.
When A alright villain is better than A Disney Villain for the 100th Anniversary from Disney
My favorite, Disney, and non-Disney villains are maleficent, evil Queen,Judge Doom,Hades,Ursula,Frollo,Scar,Hexxus(Ferngully,Pitch Black(Dreamwork Rise of the Guardians),Thrax(Osmosis Jones),Steele(Balto),Ganondorf(Legend of Zelda),Bongo(Hoodwinked),Frieda(Happily N’Ever After),King Haggard and Red Bull(The Last Unicorn),RothBart(Swan Princess),Lord Shen(King Fu Panda 2) and Drago Bludvist(How to train your Dragon 2)!now these interesting villains
so glad more people finding out about the in development work of nimona. the behind the scenes of this movie is super interesting to me and im glad you found my channel archiving a lot of it! also love the video, great job on it man! 👍
You're right that the director could've been much better. At least she definitely could've been worse. Good job going over those Disney villains. Thanks also for the LGBTQIA+ support.
Eh, still a better villain than Magnifico. She at least has a kill count. The worst thing Mags did was give people instant depression and use magic chains to hold them in place. How evil.
And rant and rave about "no more hope, no more dreams, no wishing on stars ever again," which is so vague and not threatening at all. "Bring these gypsy vermin to the Palace of Justice," this ain't.
Im sorry but giving people depression is the cruelest thing a villain can do. Also didn't Ashas dad or some of her relatives made a wish that he gets better because he got sick or something but Magnifico didn't granted it? Its off screen but it is a kill count.
@@Simbala-bq5vyHe didn't cause the sickness so he didn't kill him, also the worst thing any vilain can do? So poisoning someone ( Snow white), putting someone into a coma (Maleficent), letting someone to die in a cave ( Jafar),traumatising a child by making them think that they killed their FATHER ( Scar) is not has bad, Also they are not even THAT miserable has shown in the movie, I think depression is bad but thinking that THIS is the worst thing a vilain can do is really dumb.
@@malikpierre-louis3343 in my opinion yes. Poisoning someone, cursing someone or let someone get crushed have all something in common: you get killed. But depression? You have bad thoughts you have a miserable life mad and you're experiencing it. But I disagree that they got depression it was more a work from other villains like Scar and a bit Frollo. Namari (Ashas mother) had like a small heart attack and that's it. Depression? Not really. Yeah Magnifico does suck but he's not the worst. He's bad but not the worst. He had so much potential man. It feels like they teased us a different movie when they released that one picture were Asha and Valentino looked at the stars. The first picture from Wish
@@Simbala-bq5vy What about my Maleficent and Scar example ?
Is there anyone who liked Todd or how he didn't suffer more in the movie?
Moving on, I did like your first review and this follow up about the Director. She was very one note and we could have used some dip into her as a person, instead of just villain because villain. I wish we could have villains that are complex and enjoyable even as we love to hate them in our movies, but it seems like we are stuck with the modern Disney versions now. Hopefully, reviews like this will open the eyes of those we really need it.
Can you do a video about Disney's "The Nutcracker and the Four Realms" or "The Nutcracker: The Untold Story (2010)"? 😊💖
I had honestly forgotten about the Director as she felt like she was there but didn't leave as much of an impact compared to other villains and antagonists. She'd be more memorable if they gave her a bit more depth like going into her past where thanks to the beliefs of what established their kingdoms too much where traditionalism where there is virtue but was blind to the problems it caused around her, also a name rather than a title.
I guess this is one of the reasons why nimona didn’t win an Oscar for best animated feature, which is really sad.
I think I found a big issue within the film on why the director does't work, but at the same I kinda get why they made the decision they did.
Nimona points out in the film that the fault is with the system that put people like the director into power. Where as balister wants to focus on the indivual. With Balister obs having the flawed perspective. Thus resulting not wanting to give to much character to the indivial and emphasising the system more. I wish they focused more on the systems as personally that is more interesting and with the lack of character from the diector not jusifiying her exsistance. But at the same time with the film makers want to make this point they need a figure head for that. I think they should've gone into with one of two ways, devleop the director into a fully fledge villain with character, motivation and such or keep the character to minor roles to serve as that figure head. I would prefer the latter as, Nimona has that personal connection with the issues of the systems with Gloreth. And having a film that focus more on the system is a relatively fresh idea and very much so connects with the LGBTQ+ folks who have to deal with them.
Also I think thats why I initally didn't mind the lack of character from the director too much at the time. But after some time with the film, hearing others perspectives and doing further anaylsis of the film for a video I plan on making covering the Trans themes, becuase they are sooo good and honestly very rare in western stories which is a massive shame, I do think it could've been better, litterally the same as you felt in your video. Which was great btw!!! Always a joy to watch your content!
That’s a good way to put it as my name suggests a villain needs to be the driving force but I like stories where it relates to societal issues
Anyway dope video but like I was so damn flashbanged by a song from something as obscure as All Dogs Go To Heaven *TWO* in the background
This should be an interesting topic.
I agree
The film is a near perfect experience, but I still feel the director need to had a backstory from act 1 since those motives would've came better
I remember watching nimona a while back and I love the movie the animation, characters, and story is amazing, but the beginning is a little slow, but fun and I agree that Todd is the absolute worst, but other than that I also give the movie an 8 or a 9/10. I also remember finding the director as a fine antagonist, but like you said she serviceable, she works for what the movies got, but other than that, like I said before I love the movie, one of the best movies of 2023.
Happy pride month.
16:45 Also looking at the deleted scene, I didn't know the director was bald, I always thought she had hair, but you learn something new everyday.
The director with her bold head reminds me of that evil lady from skylands
Is it me, or does the Director share a striking resemblance to Queen Amaya from Disney’s Wish.
Like, if you told me that they were the same woman in different stages of life and I wasn’t a big animation fan, I would probably believe you. That’s really interesting.
At least Nimona has a better villain than Wish
Wish doesn't have a villain..Wish have a victim
That's only your opinion
@@Warlord_Gruktak_RukrakWish does have a villain. Its this book that made him possesed.
If Ambrosious would opened up to The Director, i'd guess reactions would be few scuffs, a small sign of disgust about Bal and Ambrousious' "close relationship" and she would get officially freaked out and ends the conversation with "😳 Are you finished? 😳" Wich it sound she asks that this conversation never happened.
she's disapointing because she wasn't the focus of the show !
I paused it and read this person's full comment...jeez, some people blow things so out of proportion...
Can someone explain the deleted scene they showed?
I like the Director fine, but compared to Blue Sky's other villains, especially their last one, Killian, she's not as good.
Yeah. Killian was more sympathetic and intimidating
Toho released Godzilla Minus One the same year as Nimona and its villain had more of a personality compared to the director.
Disney shows have done great with their villains Bill Cipher, Belos, Bradford Buzzard, Magica, The Core, Chip Whistler.
Yeah its surprising their movies arent holding up to that
5;30; Oh my ... Gaston is literally ... Trump, or Bill Cosby, some love and admired him, but do not know how evil of a person he truly is.
She looks like Queen Amya.
4:02 “how can you do better than Gaston?!”. Simple: This tall drink of water *insert gif of beast “come into the light” scene here* shows up lookin’ like he can bench press Gaston 3x over😂
Actually, can you make a video that only consists of you hating on and roasting Todd? That would be awesome!
Can someone link the deleted director scene?
Funny enough, it was because of the lackluster villain that I rated Nimona so low for me personally. The Director is caught between Magnifico and Mel (and her counsel) from Arcane.
Bla,e corporate meddling for ruinjng disney marvel and star wars
If I’m being honest, I know this is not httyd but I would like a dragon story in httyd about toothless learning to live and thrive in the hidden world
a good example was the grand duc a murderous tryant leader who was evil pure evil wanting to kill the bears he also shot the bear king father son
Bro, you need to be in the directors chair with all your good ideas.
6:46 I didn’t Know he was Gay. Rest In peace.
Frollo also has a master relationship with Qausi and Phoebus and an antagonistic relationship with Esmerelda
Villanous discussion there, hun.
Todd and the Director are definitely the weak link of the film.
they could bring back 2d animation
If i could pick relationship for The Goblin Lady with Balistair, i'd say she sees darkness and a dark monster in him, because The Director is such an perfectionist and to her darkness will never be welcome in HER perfect kingdom.
It took me too long to realize the director was a character and you didn’t mean the director of the movie 😭
Hi, real quick I think you had an audio issue why talking about that last villain.
I don’t even like eating eggs anyway.
Bode from Iwaju looks like Kingpin from Marvel
This lady is a bit boring! She is not smart like Jafar or scary like Frollo or entertaining like Facilier or funny like Hades. I never find her funny, intimidating or interresting. We don't know her past, her family, how she became the ruler of the city etc. Heck i can't remember her name, this character is that bland 😟
You can't remember it cause she doesn't have one.
She could have been better, undeniably, but she could have been worse. So much worse. I think we are having some villain crisis in animated movies right now, where like disney doesnt even give us any in their movies (i do not see magnifico as one. If anything asha is the villain) or we get something sucky like megamind vs the doom syndicate - maybe because if that i might be thinking "wow, an evil villain that doest completely suck, how awesome", and grab onto that with some copium, but yeah, shes evil. Villains are supposed to be that.
As somebody who loves and enjoys villain characters i would have preferred if she was ..well...a character. But alas i have to accept what we were given. I do love sympathetic villains too but i think we have gotten so many of them lately, i just want a cool irredeemable bad guy
Just pausing at the start to say this, because it's a particular hill I will die on... 😁
The Disney Villain, isn't dead... the Disney Audience has grown up. We aren't kids anymore. We aren't afraid of the monsters under our bed anymore, those Wicked Witches and evil Sorcerers are no longer frightening to us. In fact, we understand them way better now because we have grown up. The motivations of the villains are way more complex now than just power, greed or jealousy. Look back at nearly every classic Disney villain and you realize their motivations are simple and obvious, and that no longer holds up. We have become more nuanced and so have the things that frighten us.
That's why twist villains are so prevalent now, because the monsters we are most afraid of, aren't snarling vicious beasts, or unknown shadowy figures, they are people. They are the very people that we thought we could trust, the ones that aren't obvious to us. When you don't know who you can trust, that's frightening.
i agree if i would direct the upcoming cruella 2 i would give you angus august the evil money hungry animal catcher his backstory would be that he was bitten by a dog that made him one of his arms which he covers with the geopard skin furcoat and red gloves he is a man with psychopatic tendecies he is a wanted man for kidnapping and abusing various animals thats an idea disney
or rudolph agnus the man who was pushed in to the fashion bussines tricked by his boss anastasia cruellewich who tricked him into the madness of the fashion industry
Raisorblade l want to know what's your favorite video game villons
100% when i watched nimona i actually got confused and paused it multiple times to look up and try to find why the chancellor killed the queen cause i didn't get it wouldn't framing the main character for any murder work and the people make the queen change morals she was just such a simple empty character that i forgot her goals and motivations
At least Ercole from _Luca_ was entertaining and had personality, despite being an antagonist for the sake of having one with no backstory or anything of the sort. He was an actual character, an actual person. The Director is nothing but a walking "insert antagonist here" placeholder.
If there is a villain that I love, it would have to be Dio Brando from Jojo's Bizarre Adventures.
And you are allowed to no like this character
Belos from The Owl House is truthfully the best Disney Villain.
He is pretty good
12:06 what happened here
He was creeped out with the character’s face.
0:26 You forgot about Thanos
Having a villain that is more realistic is not a bad thing. She represented ignorance and Toxic Traditions. She was over ambitious, Two faced, and manipulating, she did it all relatively smoothly too. in the beginning you had a feeling she was trouble, but she was by the book, and had a holier then thou persona. a person who didn't like change, which is why she didn't like Ballister Blackheart (a knight from the the lower caste). She controlled the people with Fear the fear of the unknown. She is made Ambrosius Goldenloin Evil by proxy during most of the movie with her manipulation tactics. To me she is terrifying. She is human, and unforgiving of her beliefs. Now they did water her down from the book, but they did the same with Nimona too (she was a danger to everyone)
Love ur reply to the first (lgbtq is bad) comment 😂😂😂
12:06 💀
A bit petty with those call outs don’t u think?
12:07 Your video glitched out there
30? Not, 27-8?
Honestly a lot of Disney’s 90s movies have a lot of allegorical gay stuff.
honestly dude, you'll proven that you are not just another youtuber that tried to be a fake supporter like alot of other creators like to do. you actually call out hollywood on their bullcrap and their wokeness while also actually standing for actual lgbt rights and not just doing it for brownie points. so you dont have to prove yourself to me because you already have. i trust you over hollywood anyday👍
Dude what the heck I'm gay. You can't do it to gay people.😮😮😮
I'd disagree with you're opinion. Bodi is not that great compere to The Director. I recounted his ranking, and Bodi comes up average, While The Goblin Lady comes up much, much higher.
The movie Nemoina shows the down side of most women showing that there’re toxic,dumb and cruel and there true. I love it