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I’m no horse expert, but it occurs to me that it would probably be a good idea to also give the apple butter afterwards, as well as at random times… just to prevent the horse from figuring out a pattern. 🤔
@@darkwinter6028it occurs to me that you certainly know a thing or. two about behaviour in general, though. That would be a great “stacking the deck in the handler’s favour” move. The syringe will then be conditioned to represent good stuff more often than bad stuff…kind of like horsey Russian roulette when he sees the tube?? 😊
@@lizarutherford2477right? When I'm starting colts or working on a rehab horse that is hard to bridle or take bit, I put a little molasses on the bit about the first 10-15 days. Then I start fading the daily molasses out onto an intermittent basis. They can't wait to get the bit in lol. I will also put a little molasses on end of wormer tube or my finger in corner of mouth. I also have a worming bit that works great with a horse used to a bit. It's on a bit hanger so it's like they're being bridled. The bit has holes in it and a hole on the end to stick worming syringe into.
Apple butter is a great choice. I use applesauce for a few days, then the apple flavored wormer, followed by more applesauce. Works pretty good for us.
I've made excellent experiences with training with applesauce a few days in advance of the actual de-worming. And I also dispense 1-2 syringes with applesauce AFTER the de-wormer, in order to make the good memories last 😜
Out of many different horses, 1 particular gelding stands out in my memory as being an utter terror about worming. He was fine to handle normally (could touch and open his mouth, lower head etc) up until he smelled that wormer or saw the tube. Then he would swing his head to knock you over, hit the tube out of your hands, run backwards, rear. He was tall too! I always moved him and his buddies into a new paddock at worming time anyway, so what I did was leave him until last, and he didn't get to go with his buddies until he was wormed. It took him about 4 wormings (so, around a year) until I started to notice him taking less time to get wormed. He'd play up for 5 minutes then literally sigh and let me worm him so he could go into the new paddock with everyone else. Horses aren't dumb. He still hated worming, he just hated being left alone more
As far we know horses cannot combine like that (if I accept the worming I can return to my friends). Their brain (pre-frontal cortex) isn`t "made" for that. But they can remember good and bad experiences, they learn from positive and negative reinforcement.
@@andrewhunter9770 Well, he remembered that after worming (bad experience) he got to go with his friends (good experience), so however his mind worked it out, it solved the problem :)
My go to method for deworming, especially where multiple horses are on a schedule, is to do the first time from the opposite side of where the owner does it as I rarely see people use both sides of the mouth. After that some retraining may be necessary but it usually works brilliantly the first time.
I actually don't mind a high head when deworming. Seems to help it slide down the thoat and keep them from spitting it out. When I worm I actually lift my horse's head up for them, give it, and then hold for a few seconds before letting their head down
Thank you so much for this session, I look after 3 Clydesdales and when they put their heads up they turn into a double storey building.....I will make up some genuine apple sauce or carrots they all like both and try it as I have plenty of time before they are due to be wormed as I have 2 that really struggle the other is a more accepting ....again thank you 🙏 just a quick note, but believe it or not none of them like Molasses so wont be using it.
I love your videos but confused about this. He likes the way this tastes and even if he gets used to that won’t he be different as soon as he realizes it’s dewormer again?
The better taste just makes training easier. He is teaching him the release of the “pressure” from the tube is by keeping his head calm and accepting the tube.
@@allisonkersting7922 I understand the philosophy:). I just know that my horses would change back to protesting a bit as soon as they tasted the difference and knew it was wormer again.
@@lisawhite9885 some horses might immediately have that "blech!!" reaction and be back at square 1, but in my experience it seems that a lot are okay with that 5% chance (or whatever) of it being gross. I give my horse carrot puree in a syringe every 1-2 weeks, and he seems to think that two gross doses out of 30 or so are pretty good odds. I follow up dewormer with another syringe of carrot---he's a little suspicious but not overly so. I still eat blueberries even though every once in a while I get a bitter or a moldy one XD
My horse would fight violently against vaccines until a vet taught me the pinch/scratch method for intramuscular shots. Just in front of where the needle is to go in, pinch a good fold of skin, then with your other hand, use a finger to vigorously scratch the injection site for 5-15 seconds, then insert the needle while still pinching the fold. It temporarily dulls the nerves, so they don't even notice the needle going in. Works like a charm in every horse I've used it on! Intravenous I don't do, but training them with the pinch/scratch seems to have carried over.
As a large animal vet tech of 20 years I respectfully disagree. 😊 search up any vet med college website and view their recommendations or studies for using anthelmintics. Cornell, UT, UF... you will not see them ever use that terminology.
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What a good boy!!!!
i do a few passes over a couple days with apple butter in my syringe, then the wormer. Just makes things easier.
I’m no horse expert, but it occurs to me that it would probably be a good idea to also give the apple butter afterwards, as well as at random times… just to prevent the horse from figuring out a pattern. 🤔
@@darkwinter6028it occurs to me that you certainly know a thing or. two about behaviour in general, though. That would be a great “stacking the deck in the handler’s favour” move. The syringe will then be conditioned to represent good stuff more often than bad stuff…kind of like horsey Russian roulette when he sees the tube?? 😊
excellent response!@@darkwinter6028, Thus we meet the "schedule of intermittant reinforcement :) See! You are an expert!
@@lizarutherford2477right? When I'm starting colts or working on a rehab horse that is hard to bridle or take bit, I put a little molasses on the bit about the first 10-15 days. Then I start fading the daily molasses out onto an intermittent basis. They can't wait to get the bit in lol.
I will also put a little molasses on end of wormer tube or my finger in corner of mouth.
I also have a worming bit that works great with a horse used to a bit. It's on a bit hanger so it's like they're being bridled. The bit has holes in it and a hole on the end to stick worming syringe into.
Apple butter is a great choice. I use applesauce for a few days, then the apple flavored wormer, followed by more applesauce. Works pretty good for us.
I've made excellent experiences with training with applesauce a few days in advance of the actual de-worming. And I also dispense 1-2 syringes with applesauce AFTER the de-wormer, in order to make the good memories last 😜
Out of many different horses, 1 particular gelding stands out in my memory as being an utter terror about worming. He was fine to handle normally (could touch and open his mouth, lower head etc) up until he smelled that wormer or saw the tube. Then he would swing his head to knock you over, hit the tube out of your hands, run backwards, rear. He was tall too!
I always moved him and his buddies into a new paddock at worming time anyway, so what I did was leave him until last, and he didn't get to go with his buddies until he was wormed. It took him about 4 wormings (so, around a year) until I started to notice him taking less time to get wormed. He'd play up for 5 minutes then literally sigh and let me worm him so he could go into the new paddock with everyone else. Horses aren't dumb. He still hated worming, he just hated being left alone more
As far we know horses cannot combine like that (if I accept the worming I can return to my friends). Their brain (pre-frontal cortex) isn`t "made" for that. But they can remember good and bad experiences, they learn from positive and negative reinforcement.
@@andrewhunter9770 Well, he remembered that after worming (bad experience) he got to go with his friends (good experience), so however his mind worked it out, it solved the problem :)
My go to method for deworming, especially where multiple horses are on a schedule, is to do the first time from the opposite side of where the owner does it as I rarely see people use both sides of the mouth. After that some retraining may be necessary but it usually works brilliantly the first time.
You always keep it simple, simple training ideas that make a huge difference with the horse! thank you!
I actually don't mind a high head when deworming. Seems to help it slide down the thoat and keep them from spitting it out. When I worm I actually lift my horse's head up for them, give it, and then hold for a few seconds before letting their head down
Same here
Yep, I do the same.
I use this method every year. Works great. Learned it from Warrick Schiller. Get's Sierra every time.
Great advice! I love watching your videos. You are so kind and empathic.
Thank you so much for this session, I look after 3 Clydesdales and when they put their heads up they turn into a double storey building.....I will make up some genuine apple sauce or carrots they all like both and try it as I have plenty of time before they are due to be wormed as I have 2 that really struggle the other is a more accepting ....again thank you 🙏 just a quick note, but believe it or not none of them like Molasses so wont be using it.
Thanks Ryan (and Jake) for the tips. My crew is pretty good but it can always be better. I’ve used applesauce but I like this guy’s enthusiasm.
So helpful thanks so much Ryan
I'm super lucky my young gelding just stands there.❤
I’ve discovered mine love it mixed with food that is soaked. They actually lick the bowls.
This will probably work with dogs or cats as well. Will have to try it, using something they will like before giving them the med.
Thank you for sharing.🐴
She's beautiful 😊
Nice to see such a difference! Thanks!!
Thanks for this Ryan!
Brilliant! Beautiful!
How do I get some of the Succeed?
I've used applesauce. My mare LOVES the applesauce pouches almost as much as my kids.
I used to dread the biannual dewormer fights with my mare until I discovered dewormer pellets!😎😁
Thank you very much
I train mine with honey or applesauce.
I love your videos but confused about this. He likes the way this tastes and even if he gets used to that won’t he be different as soon as he realizes it’s dewormer again?
The better taste just makes training easier. He is teaching him the release of the “pressure” from the tube is by keeping his head calm and accepting the tube.
@@allisonkersting7922 I understand the philosophy:). I just know that my horses would change back to protesting a bit as soon as they tasted the difference and knew it was wormer again.
@@lisawhite9885 some horses might immediately have that "blech!!" reaction and be back at square 1, but in my experience it seems that a lot are okay with that 5% chance (or whatever) of it being gross. I give my horse carrot puree in a syringe every 1-2 weeks, and he seems to think that two gross doses out of 30 or so are pretty good odds. I follow up dewormer with another syringe of carrot---he's a little suspicious but not overly so. I still eat blueberries even though every once in a while I get a bitter or a moldy one XD
I never realized horses had trouble with this... I must be lucky. I've owned 6 horses and have never had an issue with this.
“Work with your horse where they’re at” …which is corollary to “Respect reality for what it *is*, not what you wish it was”. 😉
My horse loves the dewormers and asks for more😂. But I need similar steps for helping a horse accept needles for vaccinations/ coggins!
My horse would fight violently against vaccines until a vet taught me the pinch/scratch method for intramuscular shots. Just in front of where the needle is to go in, pinch a good fold of skin, then with your other hand, use a finger to vigorously scratch the injection site for 5-15 seconds, then insert the needle while still pinching the fold. It temporarily dulls the nerves, so they don't even notice the needle going in. Works like a charm in every horse I've used it on! Intravenous I don't do, but training them with the pinch/scratch seems to have carried over.
SCD.
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Mine will eat it mixed with Timothy pellets! 🤠
I add it to soaked food and they lick the bowl.
Must be better than sushi 😂
I can do all those with Blue, then comes the wormer. Ha
My mare is 10 times harder than this horse. I have to take her to the vet to do it.
Use a sweet lick. Wormer tastes awful...
Jesus is Alive he loves us all you heard a loud voice that you couldn't see get white look up to heaven God bless
Jesus is your imaginary friend. Nothing more. We are better off just taking care of each other.
Huh? Get white? Never mind, please don't explain.
I just can't touch his lips yet. Frustrating.
Horse people, it's called "WORMING" not "DE-WORMING"! (If you doubt me, ask your vet!)
As a large animal vet tech of 20 years I respectfully disagree. 😊 search up any vet med college website and view their recommendations or studies for using anthelmintics. Cornell, UT, UF... you will not see them ever use that terminology.
Who cares, that has nothing to do with the video 🙄
Worming would mean GIVING your horse worms. DEworming means REMOVING worms. 😉