I'm on 12.5.6.3 in my 2024 Model Y. I've had to turn off my FSD, because frankly it's doing some things that border between annoying and dangerous. This latest update had a few things I liked, some things I didn't, and some things that have not changed. Well I am definitely an enthusiast for my Tesla, I really think the company needs to have a very direct way for users like us to give feedback, where we can be sure that that feedback is getting in front of someone who can honestly evaluate it. I feel like I have raised concerns to Tesla in the past about some of the incredibly dangerous things that this vehicle has done, only to get placated by customer service representatives. Here's what's good in the latest release: As promised, the lane changing has gotten smoother. In previous versions, when the car would change lanes, it almost felt like it was always hitting a virtual bumper on the opposite side of the lane it was moving into. For example, if you went to a right hand lane, the car would move over into the lane, move all the way to the absolute right hand edge of that lane, and then bump back over to the middle. It felt very unnatural, and frankly was quite uneasing for a passenger. This latest software has improved that dramatically. It was probably the first thing I noticed when I put the car into FSD after that update. Here's what I don't like: 1) FSD needs to have a "Stay in your f'ing lane" option that I can permanently configure, in the same manner that you can configure speed limit thresholds. Everybody has a driving style, and some things are more appropriate in some environments than others, but one thing that FSD does that I find incredibly annoying and sometimes even dangerous is as tendency to want to change lanes. Sometimes, it wants to change lanes in situations where I would not want to because of the route that I'm traveling. You ought to be more intuitive to know this, given that it knows my upcoming navigation instructions, but it oftentimes doesn't. For example, I could be on the interstate headed for an interchange where the two left hand lanes both will take me on to a northbound part of the interchange, but the leftmost lane ultimately takes me on to the north bound interstate, while the right lane takes me somewhere else. In that situation, if I'm heading north on the second interstate, I would want to be in the left hand lane of the interchange. But sometimes, FSD wants to move me over into the right hand lane, which, will not problematic at the moment, makes for a very awkward lane change later on on a very busy interchange that could be negated by making the best lane changes early. The frustrating thing about this kind of stuff is that you don't get any warning that it's going to do it, so you don't get any opportunity to refuse the lane change. You get about two blanks on the turn signal if you're lucky, and then over the car goes. That is an incredibly short period of time for me to take my focus off of the road where it's currently at, shift it to one of the other lanes to make sure that I agree with the car's decision to change lanes, and then react, one way or the other, to that change. True, I can cancel it by flicking the turn signal stalk, but the Tesla is very aggressive about wanting to make these changes. I can imagine being the driver behind me starting to wonder where in the heck this guy is going or what is he doing when he constantly sees my turn signal coming on, and then turning off. 2) some time ago, they took away the option to click once on the drive stalk for TAC, and a second time for FSD. I really don't like that. For the reasons already discussed, sometimes I'm in a situation where FSD is not performing particularly well. I don't have the option to go to one of the other modes like advanced autopilot, which does a great job of keeping centered in the lane and tracking, without completely exiting FSD and having to fully control the vehicle, and then taking my eyes off of the road to fiddle with the touch screen. In fact, I think once you change the FSD option in the autopilot submenu, you have to be in park in order to re-enable it. There needs to be a way to transition between these modes with minimal fiddling on the screen so that it does not necessitate me taking my eyes off of the road. Lately, I've been driving with advanced autopilot, despite the fact that I have paid for FSD, because FSD has just become unusable with this latest update because of all of the aggressive lane changing on the interstate. I feel like it makes me a menace to society when the car is constantly changing lanes. This is an even bigger problem in congested stop and go traffic, because I've seen the car want to jump out of one lane into another, just because it sees the traffic in the other lane happens to be moving, even if it's only moving for a second. Again, I like the abilities of FSD to navigate, but I would really like to have some kind of a mode where I could just tell it not to switch lanes unless it needed to for navigational purposes, or if it was evading some kind of an imminent hazard. Otherwise, I would prefer that the car just stay in the lane that I put it in until I tell it to get out of that lane. What hasn't changed: I don't know if this is an issue with FSD per se, or if it's something with Google maps. But I'm not the only person who has made this observation and complaint, and it's been around for a long time. The navigation in the car, which controls FSD, sometimes seems to find things along the route that do not exist. For example, along interstate 4 on my way back and forth to work everyday, there is this place where, in the middle of the interstate it suddenly announces,,"at the roundabout, take the second exit on the right...", and then it instantly slows me down from 75 mph to 35 mph right in the middle of the interstate. As the OP here observed, the way around this, once you know it's coming, is to simply put your foot down on the accelerator when you know it's going to happen to prevent it. Of course you have to be careful, because in my case at these speeds, it would not be hard to bump it up over 85 mph, which will make the car go berserk and throw you out of FSD for exceeding 85 mi per hour, at which time you then have to instantly take over full control, then get yourself off of the interstate, or at least off onto the side of the road, put the car in park, and then resume your trip in order to get FSD back. Even once you do this little accelerator trick to keep it from slowing you down, it completely jacks up the maximum speed settings, so you have to fiddle with the thing for about a mile to keep resetting the speed or it will keep trying to slow you down to all sorts of different speeds. It's really weird. You don't see this roundabout on the visualization or on the Google map. I understand that Tesla gets its navigation information from Google maps, but when I bring up Google maps on my phone, I never get this weird instruction in the car. It's only from the in-car navigation that I get this. As mentioned, I've now reverted to using advanced autopilot for now, which comes with some unique challenges of its own. One thing I've noticed that you have to be careful of is that, although advanced autopilot seize or otherwise nose the speed limit changes on the road, it does not adjust your maximum speed or cruise control setting accordingly. So, for example, when I leave my home and head out onto the main road, the speed limit here is 60 mph. I have the car set to allow a 10% threshold, so it will go up to 66 mph on this road. As I approach town, the speed limit adjust to 50 miles per hour. The car knows this, and updates the speed limit indication on the screen, but it does not automatically adjust the maximum speed. I have to remember, or notice, exactly where this speed limit change is, and then start flicking the scroll wheel to bring that speed limit down. Otherwise, I'm liable to find myself right smack in the middle of intown traffic flying 66 mph through a 50 mph zone, a feet which is very likely to earn you a pretty big ticket over here. And, rightfully so. Speeding is a big problem around here. One of the things that I have really liked about the Tesla is that it tracks the speed limits, so I can know with pretty good certainty that I will never unknowingly break the speed limits. However, I've noticed that I'm now having to mind these things a great deal more. My problem with that is not that it requires me to take more responsibility, because I believe that motorists should always be responsible and always be paying attention. However, when the car behaves inconsistently like this, it becomes very difficult to decide what things you need to be paying attention to and when. If you need to constantly be on the alert, making every decision in your head is the car makes them, it kind of negates the whole purpose of having some of these features. I actually regard features like FSD and advanced autopilot as safety features. The reason that I regard these things is safety features is because there are certain things that they do extraordinarily well, which allows me to focus 100% of my attention on the road ahead of me, looking for potential hazards, and not worrying as much about little things like noticing if I happen to be drifting too close to the edge of a lane. The car tracks that stuff incredibly well. However, with these weird, quirky and often inconsistent behaviors, I find myself uncomfortable trusting the car to do those things, so I end up turning more of these features off, and these features are some of the biggest reasons that I bought this vehicle in the first place.
Huge book here. I agree with a lot that you said. The lane changes in my experience have always sucked and there is no excuse the car knows it needs to take exit ramps, move over earlier. Car also never lets anyone in, super selfish. Speed limits in my opinion are broken in this version I’m always over or under the speed limit and cars are passing me.
I would have expected it to be better at picking a lane, it misses and crosses solid lines several times in this short video. Not sure about where you live but in Sweden that is a $100 fine each solid line you pass.
Minnesota USA, that’s in the Midwest. I’m not sure what state law says about it, I’m sure it’s illegal, but it will also cut cars off, it’s happened many times.
@@FSDdriver yeah the lane change at 06:45 is really really bad, since it picked the wrong lane to approach the underpass to begin with. I am surprised to see that it chooses to break rules of the road so easy if anything happens you are 100 % liable.
I'm on 12.5.6.3 in my 2024 Model Y. I've had to turn off my FSD, because frankly it's doing some things that border between annoying and dangerous. This latest update had a few things I liked, some things I didn't, and some things that have not changed. Well I am definitely an enthusiast for my Tesla, I really think the company needs to have a very direct way for users like us to give feedback, where we can be sure that that feedback is getting in front of someone who can honestly evaluate it. I feel like I have raised concerns to Tesla in the past about some of the incredibly dangerous things that this vehicle has done, only to get placated by customer service representatives.
Here's what's good in the latest release: As promised, the lane changing has gotten smoother. In previous versions, when the car would change lanes, it almost felt like it was always hitting a virtual bumper on the opposite side of the lane it was moving into. For example, if you went to a right hand lane, the car would move over into the lane, move all the way to the absolute right hand edge of that lane, and then bump back over to the middle. It felt very unnatural, and frankly was quite uneasing for a passenger. This latest software has improved that dramatically. It was probably the first thing I noticed when I put the car into FSD after that update.
Here's what I don't like: 1) FSD needs to have a "Stay in your f'ing lane" option that I can permanently configure, in the same manner that you can configure speed limit thresholds. Everybody has a driving style, and some things are more appropriate in some environments than others, but one thing that FSD does that I find incredibly annoying and sometimes even dangerous is as tendency to want to change lanes. Sometimes, it wants to change lanes in situations where I would not want to because of the route that I'm traveling. You ought to be more intuitive to know this, given that it knows my upcoming navigation instructions, but it oftentimes doesn't. For example, I could be on the interstate headed for an interchange where the two left hand lanes both will take me on to a northbound part of the interchange, but the leftmost lane ultimately takes me on to the north bound interstate, while the right lane takes me somewhere else. In that situation, if I'm heading north on the second interstate, I would want to be in the left hand lane of the interchange. But sometimes, FSD wants to move me over into the right hand lane, which, will not problematic at the moment, makes for a very awkward lane change later on on a very busy interchange that could be negated by making the best lane changes early. The frustrating thing about this kind of stuff is that you don't get any warning that it's going to do it, so you don't get any opportunity to refuse the lane change. You get about two blanks on the turn signal if you're lucky, and then over the car goes. That is an incredibly short period of time for me to take my focus off of the road where it's currently at, shift it to one of the other lanes to make sure that I agree with the car's decision to change lanes, and then react, one way or the other, to that change. True, I can cancel it by flicking the turn signal stalk, but the Tesla is very aggressive about wanting to make these changes. I can imagine being the driver behind me starting to wonder where in the heck this guy is going or what is he doing when he constantly sees my turn signal coming on, and then turning off. 2) some time ago, they took away the option to click once on the drive stalk for TAC, and a second time for FSD. I really don't like that. For the reasons already discussed, sometimes I'm in a situation where FSD is not performing particularly well. I don't have the option to go to one of the other modes like advanced autopilot, which does a great job of keeping centered in the lane and tracking, without completely exiting FSD and having to fully control the vehicle, and then taking my eyes off of the road to fiddle with the touch screen. In fact, I think once you change the FSD option in the autopilot submenu, you have to be in park in order to re-enable it. There needs to be a way to transition between these modes with minimal fiddling on the screen so that it does not necessitate me taking my eyes off of the road. Lately, I've been driving with advanced autopilot, despite the fact that I have paid for FSD, because FSD has just become unusable with this latest update because of all of the aggressive lane changing on the interstate. I feel like it makes me a menace to society when the car is constantly changing lanes. This is an even bigger problem in congested stop and go traffic, because I've seen the car want to jump out of one lane into another, just because it sees the traffic in the other lane happens to be moving, even if it's only moving for a second. Again, I like the abilities of FSD to navigate, but I would really like to have some kind of a mode where I could just tell it not to switch lanes unless it needed to for navigational purposes, or if it was evading some kind of an imminent hazard. Otherwise, I would prefer that the car just stay in the lane that I put it in until I tell it to get out of that lane.
What hasn't changed: I don't know if this is an issue with FSD per se, or if it's something with Google maps. But I'm not the only person who has made this observation and complaint, and it's been around for a long time. The navigation in the car, which controls FSD, sometimes seems to find things along the route that do not exist. For example, along interstate 4 on my way back and forth to work everyday, there is this place where, in the middle of the interstate it suddenly announces,,"at the roundabout, take the second exit on the right...", and then it instantly slows me down from 75 mph to 35 mph right in the middle of the interstate. As the OP here observed, the way around this, once you know it's coming, is to simply put your foot down on the accelerator when you know it's going to happen to prevent it. Of course you have to be careful, because in my case at these speeds, it would not be hard to bump it up over 85 mph, which will make the car go berserk and throw you out of FSD for exceeding 85 mi per hour, at which time you then have to instantly take over full control, then get yourself off of the interstate, or at least off onto the side of the road, put the car in park, and then resume your trip in order to get FSD back. Even once you do this little accelerator trick to keep it from slowing you down, it completely jacks up the maximum speed settings, so you have to fiddle with the thing for about a mile to keep resetting the speed or it will keep trying to slow you down to all sorts of different speeds. It's really weird. You don't see this roundabout on the visualization or on the Google map. I understand that Tesla gets its navigation information from Google maps, but when I bring up Google maps on my phone, I never get this weird instruction in the car. It's only from the in-car navigation that I get this.
As mentioned, I've now reverted to using advanced autopilot for now, which comes with some unique challenges of its own. One thing I've noticed that you have to be careful of is that, although advanced autopilot seize or otherwise nose the speed limit changes on the road, it does not adjust your maximum speed or cruise control setting accordingly. So, for example, when I leave my home and head out onto the main road, the speed limit here is 60 mph. I have the car set to allow a 10% threshold, so it will go up to 66 mph on this road. As I approach town, the speed limit adjust to 50 miles per hour. The car knows this, and updates the speed limit indication on the screen, but it does not automatically adjust the maximum speed. I have to remember, or notice, exactly where this speed limit change is, and then start flicking the scroll wheel to bring that speed limit down. Otherwise, I'm liable to find myself right smack in the middle of intown traffic flying 66 mph through a 50 mph zone, a feet which is very likely to earn you a pretty big ticket over here. And, rightfully so. Speeding is a big problem around here. One of the things that I have really liked about the Tesla is that it tracks the speed limits, so I can know with pretty good certainty that I will never unknowingly break the speed limits. However, I've noticed that I'm now having to mind these things a great deal more. My problem with that is not that it requires me to take more responsibility, because I believe that motorists should always be responsible and always be paying attention. However, when the car behaves inconsistently like this, it becomes very difficult to decide what things you need to be paying attention to and when. If you need to constantly be on the alert, making every decision in your head is the car makes them, it kind of negates the whole purpose of having some of these features. I actually regard features like FSD and advanced autopilot as safety features. The reason that I regard these things is safety features is because there are certain things that they do extraordinarily well, which allows me to focus 100% of my attention on the road ahead of me, looking for potential hazards, and not worrying as much about little things like noticing if I happen to be drifting too close to the edge of a lane. The car tracks that stuff incredibly well. However, with these weird, quirky and often inconsistent behaviors, I find myself uncomfortable trusting the car to do those things, so I end up turning more of these features off, and these features are some of the biggest reasons that I bought this vehicle in the first place.
Huge book here. I agree with a lot that you said. The lane changes in my experience have always sucked and there is no excuse the car knows it needs to take exit ramps, move over earlier. Car also never lets anyone in, super selfish. Speed limits in my opinion are broken in this version I’m always over or under the speed limit and cars are passing me.
I would have expected it to be better at picking a lane, it misses and crosses solid lines several times in this short video. Not sure about where you live but in Sweden that is a $100 fine each solid line you pass.
Minnesota USA, that’s in the Midwest. I’m not sure what state law says about it, I’m sure it’s illegal, but it will also cut cars off, it’s happened many times.
@@FSDdriver yeah the lane change at 06:45 is really really bad, since it picked the wrong lane to approach the underpass to begin with. I am surprised to see that it chooses to break rules of the road so easy if anything happens you are 100 % liable.