Josh, thanks for all your honest and thorough videos! As a diy RV solar system guy, I APPRECIATE the factory roof conduit prep!!! It is a feature I would like to see copied industry wide. Accommodates other cable runs for data/internet as well!
Great video as always Josh! I love this camper if they would just flip the Floorplan to allow for bed &bath access in travel mode. That dinette is just too big for my taste. I love the bedroom, no carpeting, that wiring is color coded and numbered, the AC system and 2nd AC option (in AL). Like all the light colors. Love the docking center! I wish they would put one solar panel on to run the res. Frig.
@@JoshtheRVNerd I appreciate your honest and candid videos. We look forward to your reviews. The way the industry has bern in the past 2 years, we wouldn't be buying anything produced from 2020-2022.
I really like this layout. The bedroom and closets are great. The bathroom has beautiful cupboards. And plenty of room in the living room, perfect layout for entertaining. Love love the kitchen. All the boxes checked!!!
I do like how Alliance approaches things. I could see this working for my situation, with two grown adults and it's lighter and gives you the ability to expand. I'd prefer the full Solar setup with the extra AC. I did notice the extra handhold on the roof, to help you transition between the ladder and the roof. I guess that's what it is, the triangle part on the roof even with the ladder.
Hi Josh. For these smaller 5th wheelers with neck-breaker tv positioning, could you ask your contacts at Alliance (and Cougar, for that matter) whether they would consider fitting pull-down tv mounts? Looks like it could be a good way of getting a decent viewing position for watching tv.
Nice to see a lighter more nimble length 5th wheel option as opposed to most being very long & heavy for weekend or just couples usage. This one looks very sharp, but road mode blockage to bedroom makes it a challenge. Thank you for being so through and pointing out pro/cons! Really enjoy your reviews. PS: The Cougar 22ML you referenced is nice option.
Agreed about road mode. That's why I don't think I'd mind a pass-thru bath in these (or the 26rd from the other day), with the bathroom entrance in the middle of the bulkhead.
Yeah Josh, the road mode is important with middle aged females (mine) that needs to Pee what seems like every 21 minutes. We use a pull out or large off ramp exit area with our 5'er for the Pee stop. I dont want to mess with slides. The poop station sitting area seems good , even for your long chicken arms! Also, the opening floor plan view in the videos are still great. Gives me a minute to look over stuff, then view the video bits as you have them sectioned off. Good job.
Good video Josh. We like the small length of this but not having the bedroom access with the slide in is a show-stopper. Thanks for telling us about the solar option but we prefer to add our own panels, not factory install. However, having that access black tube on the roof to add our own wiring is a super idea that we would use. If I recall correctly this model we saw had the sink in the middle and the microwave was against the wall. We could not access the microwave with the slide in on that design. Alliance obviously moved the two.
This one. This is the one. Maybe not for full timing but it would be the perfect lighter weight rig for those extended summer trips if you're lucky to get more than a couple days off work a year😂 This is accessible to so many more people but it still brings the alliance quality and value.
This has a cool studio apartment feel. Would love a tiny window under the kitchen cabinets. Love the flat white color, it leaves room for a trip to Home Goods or Hobby Lobby to add ones own splash of color and theme. This has the room for some Ilea hacks as well.
In as much as I love 😍 this unit, I'd like to point out a minor thing that looks like a potential issue. Looking at the interior steps to bedroom, when the slide goes in & out that open storage under the step could have something loose that could get lodged in the slide. I suggest those steps having the lift up lid access.
Thanks Josh for another informative video. I think Alliance should standardize their solar package. If for no other reason than to keep the house battery topped off to allow for some power/recharging ability. It’s nice to know that I can always pop into my unit to do something inside and I’ve got some power for lights or to run the slide or awning in and out.
Love the clean white cabinets. Please tell them to include the dinette in the white! It's really one room, so include it. The floors are perfect. And you are right about the kitchen window! 💞 yes to the shoe cubby at the door! The tv is a big fail. Too small too high and not viewable from dinette. I still like your floorplan best. I'm a tv junkie. And yes inches matter. On tvs of course.🤭🤭💞👍👍
Great kitchen & storage. I much prefer the clean white cabinets to the dingy greyish ones. I don't like the lack of bathroom access in road mode. Perhaps flipping the stair & bathroom layout would help.
I fear the dinette would block the hallway were that the case.. maybe something like this perhaps? ► Cougar: ua-cam.com/video/VnIlUD0TaHk/v-deo.html ► or Rockwood: ua-cam.com/video/qSpj5fTiX7U/v-deo.html
Another great review of an Alliance product. Their factory service after the sale is second to none. I own and LOVE my Alliance 32rls, best fifth wheel I have ever purchased and got it from Bish RV :) I Agree with the 4 point auto level on this one. This is not just critical of Alliance but most brands out now. The bigger 5th wheels like my 35 foot 12K 32rls really SHOULD have 6 point electric from the factory at least as an option if its not a cost they want to pass on to everybody. It's one of the very few things I dislike about my Avenue. I hope you appreciate my honest owner opinion of the Avenue products and if you do smash my like button :) PS was an honor to get some time to talk to you and get your signature in Omaha, Thank You
This and the 26RD makes the most sense for my husband and I, but I hate the u-dinette. There are only 2 of us, I have no need to seat 6 people - but I DO need floor space for dog beds/crates maybe put a thin cabinet against the wall with a televator, and a fold down table (or pull up and out table) that would only take up space when I need it) I’d also like a little wall space by the door to hang jackets and dog leashes, but the current dinette is in the way of that, too. And I know it’s small, but I’d still like a telescoping/extending hand rail for those outside steps. And really would prefer road-mode access to the bathroom. Sounds like a long list of complaints, I know - but I still like it overall
Hmm... Wondering if one of these might not work for you: ► Cougar 23MLE: ua-cam.com/video/VnIlUD0TaHk/v-deo.html ► Rockwood 2445WS: ua-cam.com/video/qSpj5fTiX7U/v-deo.html
Love this set up, however I would like to see the entertainment center be in the slide out and the theater seats be on the camp side. Other than that, great layout for a single or couple.
I LOVE this camper..we already got our 5th last camper so hubby would not trade up from our GD 17MKE - but if grandkids keep coming..mmm ya never know. Come on kids have grandma some more kids lol
Great walkthru, and I really like this trailer - especially at well under 30’! Please tho, put the struts on those overhead storage doors in the bedroom - how much are they actually saving by leaving them off? Question for you, we have a Ram 2500 with Ramboxes (6’4 bed), and went that way because we were never going to get a fifth wheel…but these smaller ones get me thinking, is it easy enough to put a swivel pin box (turning point?) on something like this or would it be just more of a hassle than it’s worth? You’re right about T2 as well, one of the greatest movies ever! :-)
Overall I really like this unit. I only have a few minor changes, 1 cut the bedrroom door to allow it to open fully. I little short or a notch would be great. I also don't care for the TV mounted so high. I like the large table and due to the size I guess that the pedistal legs are the answer. I would put a larger fan, depending on the CFM it moves in the bathroom. While it is a smaller room it will have the most humidty. I would like to see all booth style units with a storage door available for outside access for longer items. I also liike solar so they need to consider upgrading that for those of us who as you call it boon docking camping. I like the floor plan exterior color and length. Very nice unit.
I like the idea of accessing the booth storage from outside a lot. But if they did that then removing the dinette would probably not be very possible. Part of me wants this so I can pull out the dinette and create a yoga space.
My wife and I liked both this floor plan and the 26 rd.This one is nice because it is a little shorter and a bit lighter on the pin weight than the 26rd, we have a diesel 3/4 ton so pin weight is something we would have to watch when towing a Fifth wheel. Would be nice if they could put a door on the back side of the u shaped dinette for outside access like they did on the 26rd. With the solar it's okay as an option, but making it a standard would be nice. If we were buying a Fifth wheel today we would probably go with the single A/C and add a max air vent fan in the bedroom for the type of camping we do and to help keep the pin weight down. Because this is a rear kitchen I am assuming it has a second gray tank. In the specs it said it has a 53 gal. grey tank, would that be the total of both tanks. We like everything they are doing so far, can't wait to see what else they have planned for the future.
I love this but can’t do a no access bathroom in travel mode. Can’t wait to see their next design in this series and hopefully it solves that. Short, wide, light weight and good road access is what we are looking for.
My father had his dump gate valves pulled by some kids wandering thru the campgrounds... _twice_ He is the one that really got me paying attention to enclosed docking centers as a result
That's getting closer to the bedroom door opening I saw in person. I don't want to have to shimmy my way in and out of the bedroom every day. I would much prefer they use a sliding door in this case.
Darn! Must be able to get to the bathroom while traveling. I REALLY LIKE what they are doing! MUST have solar and from the factory is perfect. Must must have solar on such a cool rig. And people that give a crap about their work? WOW! I'm really sold & need to see one in person. I'm not familiar with Alliance so this was fun! 18 months and I trade up!
I really like these small Alliance 5vers. Few things I would like changed. Bedroom door, could it be another pocket door. Add a window across from the bathroom door. Add lights under under the OHC above the dinette. Maybe replace the dinette with a freestanding table and chairs. At the door, add a small dropping zone cabinet. The big one. I do not like the big cargo hold doors. I wish the doors where taller. I feel as I would damage the lower frame pulling stuff in and out. Also on the camp side, it needs a cord access. If I would also love to see the front cargo hold taller, which means Z'ing the frame. It could add a lot of tongue weight. But it would really put this series in a class all in its own. I really hope they make a travel friendly version. I cannot open a deep slide at our place. So un/loading at home cannot be done. I like this series, and will keep a close eye for new models.
I like it, but I’d love to see if they could split the bathroom (make it a walk-thru) and put the stairs in the middle to gain travel access. They could gain some room for travel access if they replaced the dinette with a camp facing bar/desk
That’s not something they’re offering at this time. I’m afraid it wouldn’t solve the access challenge on this model. It’s just not a living/kitchen layout that allows for upper deck travel access. Something like the Cougar 23MLE or a few of those smaller rockwoods may work better
I also like under lights over table which I think is too long. The spice rack need higher front to hold spiced etc. Nice pantry. Good design drawers. Like the design of bedroom, only problem are storage space above the bed.. I appreciate the all info you give. I like auto leveling. Does the Alliance you are describing, have standard auto steps. Thanks 😊
Another great video Josh. Short, wide body fifth wheel to match short wide body American Made people👏👏. Personally I think that solar should be standard. If the solar isn’t big enough, there’s inverters/generators that can make up the shortfall
Love this 5th wheel! Normally focus on Travel Trailers BUT am considering offering 5th wheels NOW TOO. WILL B CONTACTING YOU ABOUT VERY SERIOUS AGENDA!
Ditch that massive dinette!! Its a couples camper, so bigger window, bar top running down the wall with a televator built into it on a higher level and some smaller cabinets underneath. Then this would be the ULTIMATE couples camper hands down!!!!
First impression: Clean, neat, and tidy interior. From a color perspective a blank canvas that we could change with accents/pillows/wall hangings to make it what we want....this is an amazing thing and something I hope more manufacturers realize works best. While losing the upper deck in Road Mode is not awesome it would not, for us, be a deal breaker. For the size of RV this is the amount of well-thought out storage is amazing. Personally I would likely DIY boxes to be above the overhead storage as well as DIY a secured generator/additional propane carrier off of the hitch. As far as the solar...I don't think making anything more than a battery tender system standard makes sense for most manufacturers. I love seeing that more manufacturers are including options for increased solar and inverter capacity. For us I would want as much solar as the roof could stand and the batteries and controllers to make use of it. That makes the conduit path down to the front 'garage' even more amazing and helps future-proof this rig. Overall a design I really like. Alliance is doing some really interesting stuff lately...and I appreciate Josh sharing it with us.
Could you explain Atrium Windows, are they double pane? I think it would be nice if they had a additional window above the stove. I also like access to the bathroom and bedroom. Looks like if slide is in you wouldn’t have access to the kitchen sink. Nice video.
As we look at the Avenue 28bh, we have a preference for what Keystone is doing on their fifth wheels for solar. We like the three levels from which to choose.
Little stick-on LED lights can be easily put under the upper cupboards to brighten up the counters, and I think I'd rather get some at the dollar store rather than having the manufacturer putting them in at a higher price. I'd lose the spice rack. Great storage in the kitchen an dinette.
Can you turn the awning lights off?? One of my points of annoyance are campers that leave their lights on all night and I have been told in some cases the awning lights do not turn off?
I don't think there is a wrong answer on the solar. Personally I wouldn't option it because I would want a more capable system and am comfortable doing that myself but it being standard wouldn't be a deal breaker by any means. As long as there is wiring prep it fairly straightforward to diy a system or have a dealer install it. What I have strong feelings on is new rv's that don't include some kind of solar wiring prep.
Used to be the Cougar 23MLS but that was retired as the 23MLE came out (which I prefer personally). You can see the 23MLE Cougar here: ua-cam.com/video/VnIlUD0TaHk/v-deo.html BUT... Cougar actually just RE-Released their version of this layout in their new Sport series. I don't have a video for them YET but hope to soon
I've noticed that the way most of the fifth wheels available today are setup as a couples unit. By that, I mean that seating available for simply watching the TV. We have looked at a lot of fifth wheels and they have the theater seating facing the TV and anyone else traveling with you either has to sit on the floor to watch or just do something else. Now this unit appears to have plenty of storage and that's a good thing. Not a fan of the blocked access to the bathroom though.
I can't believe this is new! I drive 53 foot refrigerator trailers. We've had abs systems on our tractors and trailers for years. This tech should have been implemented years ago!
@@jefflass699 I asked about that. Sounds like they're staying standard body. I was hopeful for wide body as well and think that would've given them some defining qualities like Open Range used to have
Very nice RV. TV placement is terrible! There must be some TV mount that would drop down. Possibly a televator behind the dinette. I really appreciate an outdoor kitchen or at least an outdoor refrigerator. Something to hold 6 or 24....Cokes. I've never been in an Alliance but they seem to build a nice unit. That wide body really opens it up and that helps the entire unit. A 40 amp controller is about $30 more than a 20a controller. That would allow probably 800 watts of solar panels to be used and really beef up the solar capabilities.
Is there another choice for booth such as fold out sleeper to have more of a living room area instead. Would be a nice swap for us and perhaps others. 😊
I think optional solar… most standard ones are just trickle chargers anyway, and the optional package is probably too small for serious off grid campers. They make it easy to upgrade with the black pipe. I think that bedroom door is an issue. Maybe a short door, or a pocket door and put the TV hookups on the side wall?
I don’t have the specs for that, though if you refer to me standing in the shower I’m 61” Hard fact is your husband will not fit the upper decks of the vast majority of fifth wheels. Oddly some travel trailers will be a better fit - those with 7ft ceilings for instance
@@JoshtheRVNerd thanks, we've got a Gulf Stream Vintage Cruiser now, but want something bigger & enclosed/warm underneath for retirement...may just stay with a TT...love your videos & the honest appraisal you offer!
I love the floorplan. Constructive criticism for Alliance on this floorplan: 1. Table needs to be on legs. This leads to #2 2. "Rear" wall dinette storage should be drawer(s) pulling to the center of the table. 3. Under cabinet lighting especially around the cooktop. 4. Backsplash around cooktop 5. Bedroom cabinet struts needed on vertically opening doors -or- swap to a side opening door Feedback in general: Great bathroom design Good bedroom design, I wish they would allow a king swap , but that is not bad I love the practical touches regarding plumbing, wire coding
I would swap the u dinette for table and chairs. The dinette looks too narrow for sleeping. I’d swap theater seats for a sleeper sofa, so wouldn’t lose guest space. Put the TV on a bracket to pull down while watching.
Not sure who they built it for small family or couple? If couple get rid of dinette and incorporate a wash/dryer combo and more storage. Also make bedroom accessible with slide in...
Road mode access to the upper deck is a minor sticking point but no access to the fuse/breaker panel has me concerned…would not want to manually extend out that slide if the breaker for the slide trips. Notice a lot of these smaller fifth wheels ( not just Alliance) with the driver side slide have the fuse panel in that same spot. Wish they’d find a different spot for it so that access is not limited when the slide is in.
Is that booth and table removable without leaving damage behind? This one I Love except booth/table...we would just like that a more open space for personal items. Just 2 of us . 😊 Also...can we get a camp queen ....more walk around room. We are shorter...😂
Keep solar optional. What they are offering is bare minimum. Need 3k inverter, 800 watts solar, and 600 amp hr lithium. Thats probably $10k upgrade, but what you need to boondock for extended periods, and ability to run 1 ac and microwave.
1. Far prefer dinette with free standing tables chairs 2. Kitchen nice but a silverware drawer would be appreciated 3. Yes, bathroom must be travel accessible. Not a consideration without it. 4. Cuddle compliant heater seats with pull down arm rest is a must. 5. Yes, dual purpose AC and USB plugs would be great. 6. And instead of always saying no, might the slide engineers come up with a way to make slides usable when closed? 7. All in all, I like the size, the roof, the interior color scheme, external color scheme and grapics still too busy for me. See Outdoors RVs for a simple but tasteful scheme. The ladder, auto-leveling and the kitchen are great but the items above are important to be improved in order to consider this model. Also, torsion axels and/or shock absorbers are catching my eye. Conduit tube - nice looking ahead consideration.
It's a nice trailer and floorplan. There is a cost difference and due to height and pin weight it isn't really 1/2 ton towable but this trailer would be a good alternative to some of the travel trailers in this length range. I only noticed one ceiling vent in the bathroom. I assume the A/C in the main area is not ducted. I'm not sure I would like that as there is a big difference in how loud a non-ducted system is compared to a ducted one. If it truly isn't ducted then I would rather see something like the Truma A/C as they are much quieter not to mention efficient than their American designed counterparts. In fact I would consider forgoing the factory installed A/C in the bedroom and install a Truma there myself. The theatre seat is a no go with the fixed center armrest. We would require the option of a triifold sofa or theatre seats with a fold down armrest to be interested. That's about it as far as dislikes. As to the solar we would order the solar package. I still think it should be an option to either add it or being able to remove it for a credit.
Whole house ducted air off the living AC - they used a more traditional air system Different from other alliance rvs. They went that route due to the smaller size
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@@JoshtheRVNerd We know that at least half of all customers would jump at the chance to add more comfortable seating, so why the option of a dinette or sofa isn’t offered on every RV floorplan when possible is mind boggling, because it would be a huge win for manufacturers👍
Critical for some people for sure Not for others It’s not an issue for me as an example But there are plenty of other options if it’s an all stop point
Josh, thanks for all your honest and thorough videos! As a diy RV solar system guy, I APPRECIATE the factory roof conduit prep!!! It is a feature I would like to see copied industry wide. Accommodates other cable runs for data/internet as well!
Great point!!
Great video as always Josh! I love this camper if they would just flip the Floorplan to allow for bed &bath access in travel mode. That dinette is just too big for my taste.
I love the bedroom, no carpeting, that wiring is color coded and numbered, the AC system and 2nd AC option (in AL). Like all the light colors. Love the docking center!
I wish they would put one solar panel on to run the res. Frig.
Try this one for road use m.ua-cam.com/video/VnIlUD0TaHk/v-deo.html
They should make the Solar panels standard. That is where the industry going now.
I agree personally
@@JoshtheRVNerd I appreciate your honest and candid videos. We look forward to your reviews. The way the industry has bern in the past 2 years, we wouldn't be buying anything produced from 2020-2022.
Question: What do they call the Alliance Research and Development department? Answer: The Keystone Innovation Lab.
Yeah because we need them to be more expensive....
I really like this layout. The bedroom and closets are great. The bathroom has beautiful cupboards. And plenty of room in the living room, perfect layout for entertaining. Love love the kitchen. All the boxes checked!!!
Thank you so much!
I do like how Alliance approaches things. I could see this working for my situation, with two grown adults and it's lighter and gives you the ability to expand. I'd prefer the full Solar setup with the extra AC. I did notice the extra handhold on the roof, to help you transition between the ladder and the roof. I guess that's what it is, the triangle part on the roof even with the ladder.
Yeah and extra grab going up and down
Hi Josh. For these smaller 5th wheelers with neck-breaker tv positioning, could you ask your contacts at Alliance (and Cougar, for that matter) whether they would consider fitting pull-down tv mounts? Looks like it could be a good way of getting a decent viewing position for watching tv.
There also looks to be room enough to move the dinette away from the wall and install a televator.
Smart
Great idea!
Nice to see a lighter more nimble length 5th wheel option as opposed to most being very long & heavy for weekend or just couples usage. This one looks very sharp, but road mode blockage to bedroom makes it a challenge. Thank you for being so through and pointing out pro/cons! Really enjoy your reviews. PS: The Cougar 22ML you referenced is nice option.
Agreed about road mode. That's why I don't think I'd mind a pass-thru bath in these (or the 26rd from the other day), with the bathroom entrance in the middle of the bulkhead.
Try this one m.ua-cam.com/video/VnIlUD0TaHk/v-deo.html
Totally agree with your Nerd Preferred. It’s a must.
LOVE LOVE LOVE that house like kitchen.
I do too
Yeah Josh, the road mode is important with middle aged females (mine) that needs to Pee what seems like every 21 minutes. We use a pull out or large off ramp exit area with our 5'er for the Pee stop. I dont want to mess with slides. The poop station sitting area seems good , even for your long chicken arms! Also, the opening floor plan view in the videos are still great. Gives me a minute to look over stuff, then view the video bits as you have them sectioned off. Good job.
Glad you like the chapter points
Good video Josh. We like the small length of this but not having the bedroom access with the slide in is a show-stopper. Thanks for telling us about the solar option but we prefer to add our own panels, not factory install. However, having that access black tube on the roof to add our own wiring is a super idea that we would use. If I recall correctly this model we saw had the sink in the middle and the microwave was against the wall. We could not access the microwave with the slide in on that design. Alliance obviously moved the two.
Try this one instead perhaps m.ua-cam.com/video/VnIlUD0TaHk/v-deo.html
This one. This is the one. Maybe not for full timing but it would be the perfect lighter weight rig for those extended summer trips if you're lucky to get more than a couple days off work a year😂
This is accessible to so many more people but it still brings the alliance quality and value.
It’s a strong offering I think
I also love that kitchen sink window along with the entire wonderful kitchen!! 🤗🤗🤗🤗
it really is great. I'd like some outlets where they're easier to reach though
@@JoshtheRVNerd Yes, that would be very helpful my friend! 🖒 🖒
This has a cool studio apartment feel. Would love a tiny window under the kitchen cabinets. Love the flat white color, it leaves room for a trip to Home Goods or Hobby Lobby to add ones own splash of color and theme. This has the room for some Ilea hacks as well.
Yeah, it’s a very personalize-able kind of look
In as much as I love 😍 this unit, I'd like to point out a minor thing that looks like a potential issue. Looking at the interior steps to bedroom, when the slide goes in & out that open storage under the step could have something loose that could get lodged in the slide. I suggest those steps having the lift up lid access.
Fair point on the step storage
I hadn’t considered that. Ty
Thanks Josh for another informative video. I think Alliance should standardize their solar package. If for no other reason than to keep the house battery topped off to allow for some power/recharging ability. It’s nice to know that I can always pop into my unit to do something inside and I’ve got some power for lights or to run the slide or awning in and out.
Great point
Love the clean white cabinets. Please tell them to include the dinette in the white! It's really one room, so include it. The floors are perfect. And you are right about the kitchen window! 💞 yes to the shoe cubby at the door! The tv is a big fail. Too small too high and not viewable from dinette. I still like your floorplan best. I'm a tv junkie. And yes inches matter. On tvs of course.🤭🤭💞👍👍
The dining on this one is definitely interesting. It's so large that it really opens some interesting doors and possibilities
Great kitchen & storage. I much prefer the clean white cabinets to the dingy greyish ones. I don't like the lack of bathroom access in road mode. Perhaps flipping the stair & bathroom layout would help.
I fear the dinette would block the hallway were that the case.. maybe something like this perhaps?
► Cougar: ua-cam.com/video/VnIlUD0TaHk/v-deo.html
► or Rockwood: ua-cam.com/video/qSpj5fTiX7U/v-deo.html
I like it. Put the TV on a swing down hingey thing. Fridge is nice. Nice potty. Nice storage in bedroom
Love that idea. Pretty sure that's actually the literal technical term for it as well
Another stellar offering from Alliant
I really like these All-Access models. I would want the solar option but I think keeping it an option would be best.
I'm liking these units. Thanks Nerd.
My pleasure Chris!!
Another great review of an Alliance product. Their factory service after the sale is second to none. I own and LOVE my Alliance 32rls, best fifth wheel I have ever purchased and got it from Bish RV :)
I Agree with the 4 point auto level on this one. This is not just critical of Alliance but most brands out now. The bigger 5th wheels like my 35 foot 12K 32rls really SHOULD have 6 point electric from the factory at least as an option if its not a cost they want to pass on to everybody. It's one of the very few things I dislike about my Avenue.
I hope you appreciate my honest owner opinion of the Avenue products and if you do smash my like button :)
PS was an honor to get some time to talk to you and get your signature in Omaha, Thank You
Thx again Wayne!!
I wish it had better travel access. Otherwise, this is a great floorplan.
Yeah that’s it’s only major Achilles heel I think
One of my favorites
Nice!!
This and the 26RD makes the most sense for my husband and I, but I hate the u-dinette. There are only 2 of us, I have no need to seat 6 people - but I DO need floor space for dog beds/crates maybe put a thin cabinet against the wall with a televator, and a fold down table (or pull up and out table) that would only take up space when I need it) I’d also like a little wall space by the door to hang jackets and dog leashes, but the current dinette is in the way of that, too. And I know it’s small, but I’d still like a telescoping/extending hand rail for those outside steps. And really would prefer road-mode access to the bathroom. Sounds like a long list of complaints, I know - but I still like it overall
Hmm... Wondering if one of these might not work for you:
► Cougar 23MLE: ua-cam.com/video/VnIlUD0TaHk/v-deo.html
► Rockwood 2445WS: ua-cam.com/video/qSpj5fTiX7U/v-deo.html
Love this set up, however I would like to see the entertainment center be in the slide out and the theater seats be on the camp side. Other than that, great layout for a single or couple.
Oh they left good space for the bedroom tv. Ok I might survive in that.
I LOVE this camper..we already got our 5th last camper so hubby would not trade up from our GD 17MKE - but if grandkids keep coming..mmm ya never know. Come on kids have grandma some more kids lol
Hahaha
Super rig as far as I'm concerned Josh. Thanks for the reveal, will in Florida
Will I can't tell you how much I appreciate all your positivity and visits over the years!
This is awesome 👏
Thx Jack
Great walkthru, and I really like this trailer - especially at well under 30’! Please tho, put the struts on those overhead storage doors in the bedroom - how much are they actually saving by leaving them off? Question for you, we have a Ram 2500 with Ramboxes (6’4 bed), and went that way because we were never going to get a fifth wheel…but these smaller ones get me thinking, is it easy enough to put a swivel pin box (turning point?) on something like this or would it be just more of a hassle than it’s worth? You’re right about T2 as well, one of the greatest movies ever! :-)
I don’t have the personal experience I feel is needed to really answer this for you but I know people do it regularly
Overall I really like this unit. I only have a few minor changes, 1 cut the bedrroom door to allow it to open fully. I little short or a notch would be great. I also don't care for the TV mounted so high. I like the large table and due to the size I guess that the pedistal legs are the answer. I would put a larger fan, depending on the CFM it moves in the bathroom. While it is a smaller room it will have the most humidty. I would like to see all booth style units with a storage door available for outside access for longer items. I also liike solar so they need to consider upgrading that for those of us who as you call it boon docking camping. I like the floor plan exterior color and length. Very nice unit.
Bigger fans in the bath area is something I always support
I like the idea of accessing the booth storage from outside a lot. But if they did that then removing the dinette would probably not be very possible. Part of me wants this so I can pull out the dinette and create a yoga space.
I really like the thought to make things easy access for servicing or upgrading. Saves on labor cost when taking it in.💞👍
Absolutely!!
My wife and I liked both this floor plan and the 26 rd.This one is nice because it is a little shorter and a bit lighter on the pin weight than the 26rd, we have a diesel 3/4 ton so pin weight is something we would have to watch when towing a Fifth wheel. Would be nice if they could put a door on the back side of the u shaped dinette for outside access like they did on the 26rd. With the solar it's okay as an option, but making it a standard would be nice. If we were buying a Fifth wheel today we would probably go with the single A/C and add a max air vent fan in the bedroom for the type of camping we do and to help keep the pin weight down. Because this is a rear kitchen I am assuming it has a second gray tank. In the specs it said it has a 53 gal. grey tank, would that be the total of both tanks. We like everything they are doing so far, can't wait to see what else they have planned for the future.
I like that dinette door idea
Needs to have a drop down TV like the RV
I like that idea
I love this but can’t do a no access bathroom in travel mode. Can’t wait to see their next design in this series and hopefully it solves that. Short, wide, light weight and good road access is what we are looking for.
absolutely love the fact that the fresh water is protected. i hate when the systems are exposed to bad actors.
My father had his dump gate valves pulled by some kids wandering thru the campgrounds... _twice_
He is the one that really got me paying attention to enclosed docking centers as a result
I was going to breeze past this < 30ft rig, but it really is a nice set up. Thanks, Josh ✨🤳☕❤️
Enjoy!
That's getting closer to the bedroom door opening I saw in person. I don't want to have to shimmy my way in and out of the bedroom every day. I would much prefer they use a sliding door in this case.
With a sliding door wouldn't we lose maneuverability or inches in the closet?
That small solar package should be standard, bigger solar optional. Love the floorplan, and the std equipment, other than lack of solar.
I like that. Ty
Darn! Must be able to get to the bathroom while traveling. I REALLY LIKE what they are doing! MUST have solar and from the factory is perfect. Must must have solar on such a cool rig. And people that give a crap about their work? WOW! I'm really sold & need to see one in person. I'm not familiar with Alliance so this was fun! 18 months and I trade up!
Try this beast: ua-cam.com/video/VnIlUD0TaHk/v-deo.html
I really like these small Alliance 5vers. Few things I would like changed.
Bedroom door, could it be another pocket door.
Add a window across from the bathroom door.
Add lights under under the OHC above the dinette.
Maybe replace the dinette with a freestanding table and chairs. At the door, add a small dropping zone cabinet.
The big one. I do not like the big cargo hold doors. I wish the doors where taller. I feel as I would damage the lower frame pulling stuff in and out. Also on the camp side, it needs a cord access. If I would also love to see the front cargo hold taller, which means Z'ing the frame. It could add a lot of tongue weight. But it would really put this series in a class all in its own.
I really hope they make a travel friendly version. I cannot open a deep slide at our place. So un/loading at home cannot be done.
I like this series, and will keep a close eye for new models.
I do like the idea of bedroom pocket door. helps deal with the swinging door conflict sometimes
Loving the innovations Alliance is putting out. Can’t wait to see if they’ll do any 1/2 ton towable campers.🤞🏻
Coming soon actually
@@JoshtheRVNerd Ooh! Exciting!
@@JoshtheRVNerd Do you think you’ll get to see/do a video for the Avenue 28BH that’s coming soon?
I like it, but I’d love to see if they could split the bathroom (make it a walk-thru) and put the stairs in the middle to gain travel access. They could gain some room for travel access if they replaced the dinette with a camp facing bar/desk
That’s not something they’re offering at this time. I’m afraid it wouldn’t solve the access challenge on this model. It’s just not a living/kitchen layout that allows for upper deck travel access. Something like the Cougar 23MLE or a few of those smaller rockwoods may work better
I also like under lights over table which I think is too long. The spice rack need higher front to hold spiced etc. Nice pantry. Good design drawers. Like the design of bedroom, only problem are storage space above the bed.. I appreciate the all info you give. I like auto leveling. Does the Alliance you are describing, have standard auto steps. Thanks 😊
Another great video Josh. Short, wide body fifth wheel to match short wide body American Made people👏👏. Personally I think that solar should be standard. If the solar isn’t big enough, there’s inverters/generators that can make up the shortfall
Lol yeah. J call it American sized
Love this 5th wheel!
Normally focus on Travel Trailers BUT am considering offering 5th wheels NOW TOO. WILL B CONTACTING YOU ABOUT VERY SERIOUS AGENDA!
I would like to see the manufactures hard wire surge protectors in these campers.
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Lighter color wood is beautiful. Shoe storage near the door is smart. Would prefer a normal booth, not a U-shape.
👍🏻 ty
Ditch that massive dinette!! Its a couples camper, so bigger window, bar top running down the wall with a televator built into it on a higher level and some smaller cabinets underneath. Then this would be the ULTIMATE couples camper hands down!!!!
Where is the outlet for the coffee maker at? Under the upper cabinet maybe?
Under the upper cabinets. Not my favorite location
First impression: Clean, neat, and tidy interior. From a color perspective a blank canvas that we could change with accents/pillows/wall hangings to make it what we want....this is an amazing thing and something I hope more manufacturers realize works best. While losing the upper deck in Road Mode is not awesome it would not, for us, be a deal breaker.
For the size of RV this is the amount of well-thought out storage is amazing. Personally I would likely DIY boxes to be above the overhead storage as well as DIY a secured generator/additional propane carrier off of the hitch.
As far as the solar...I don't think making anything more than a battery tender system standard makes sense for most manufacturers. I love seeing that more manufacturers are including options for increased solar and inverter capacity. For us I would want as much solar as the roof could stand and the batteries and controllers to make use of it. That makes the conduit path down to the front 'garage' even more amazing and helps future-proof this rig.
Overall a design I really like. Alliance is doing some really interesting stuff lately...and I appreciate Josh sharing it with us.
YES!! I love that you "get it" when it comes to the decor. It's intentionally vanilla and will quickly "come to life" with a blanket or some pillows!
Love this rv and the best thing is the length ❤
It is nice having a shorter one like this
Could you explain Atrium Windows, are they double pane? I think it would be nice if they had a additional window above the stove. I also like access to the bathroom and bedroom. Looks like if slide is in you wouldn’t have access to the kitchen sink. Nice video.
It's just a fancy phrase they use for "Windows that are really big in size." They have no special composition.
As we look at the Avenue 28bh, we have a preference for what Keystone is doing on their fifth wheels for solar. We like the three levels from which to choose.
Keystones solar is still about the best out there for sure
Were my eyes correct, did the slide block the electric/fuse box in road mode?
Mostly yeah. That's a good point - can be an issue if you have a fuse blown for the slide
Love the end tables in the bedroom and the large pantry. Didn’t see any kitchen outlets by counter for appliances? Thanks Josh.
Under the cabinets I think
Little stick-on LED lights can be easily put under the upper cupboards to brighten up the counters, and I think I'd rather get some at the dollar store rather than having the manufacturer putting them in at a higher price. I'd lose the spice rack. Great storage in the kitchen an dinette.
That's a great idea!
Yep, I would rather add my own lighting. I love the spice rack though...maybe I would add a strip of metal across the front of each shelf
Please make a 26’ travel trailer with the same floor plan and quality.
I think this one pretty much fits that bill m.ua-cam.com/video/aj-VEKKC0Y4/v-deo.html
What size truck would you recommend to pull this?
3/4 and up
Awesome videos. Question are the Alliance rv 0 to 100 degrees tested. We hunt in the winter and a lot of Arizona summer camping. Thank you
Yes they are
Thank you
Love it . Not sure about where the tv is ? Wish had a star gazing window in bedroom.
Meaning you don't know where the TV is
Or not sure what to think about where it is?
Can you turn the awning lights off?? One of my points of annoyance are campers that leave their lights on all night and I have been told in some cases the awning lights do not turn off?
You can. I've never seen an awning that couldn't turn off. Not everyone is as considerate as they could or should be about that
I don't think there is a wrong answer on the solar. Personally I wouldn't option it because I would want a more capable system and am comfortable doing that myself but it being standard wouldn't be a deal breaker by any means. As long as there is wiring prep it fairly straightforward to diy a system or have a dealer install it. What I have strong feelings on is new rv's that don't include some kind of solar wiring prep.
I think that's probably one of the most fair Reponses I've seen. TY
Josh, what Keystone model would be similar to this Alliance Avenue, in terms of construction, weight etc.. as its competitor? Thanks.
Used to be the Cougar 23MLS but that was retired as the 23MLE came out (which I prefer personally).
You can see the 23MLE Cougar here: ua-cam.com/video/VnIlUD0TaHk/v-deo.html
BUT... Cougar actually just RE-Released their version of this layout in their new Sport series. I don't have a video for them YET but hope to soon
I've noticed that the way most of the fifth wheels available today are setup as a couples unit. By that, I mean that seating available for simply watching the TV. We have looked at a lot of fifth wheels and they have the theater seating facing the TV and anyone else traveling with you either has to sit on the floor to watch or just do something else. Now this unit appears to have plenty of storage and that's a good thing. Not a fan of the blocked access to the bathroom though.
Yeah it can vary by layout a bit. Some have swingout TVs which can help as well
Can you access the fuse panel? In the video it appears only half the panel is visible.
If I didn’t check on video then I cannot verify now. But one of our teams with one of hand can for sure
Josh! You absolutely have to point out the outlets in the kitchen area on your videos! Please!!
I try to when I remember. LOTS to cover when I make these videos
Pretty sure these outlets are under the upper cabinets
I can't believe this is new! I drive 53 foot refrigerator trailers. We've had abs systems on our tractors and trailers for years. This tech should have been implemented years ago!
I think you meant to post this in a different video but I gotchya. Ty for watching
Love their products. I assume travel trailers are coming eventually?
Yep! I hopefully get to see something on them in the coming weeks or months!
@@JoshtheRVNerd Nice! Would be great if they kept the wide body trend going there, too, at least in some of the lineup.
@@jefflass699 I asked about that. Sounds like they're staying standard body. I was hopeful for wide body as well and think that would've given them some defining qualities like Open Range used to have
Very nice RV.
TV placement is terrible! There must be some TV mount that would drop down. Possibly a televator behind the dinette.
I really appreciate an outdoor kitchen or at least an outdoor refrigerator. Something to hold 6 or 24....Cokes.
I've never been in an Alliance but they seem to build a nice unit. That wide body really opens it up and that helps the entire unit.
A 40 amp controller is about $30 more than a 20a controller. That would allow probably 800 watts of solar panels to be used and really beef up the solar capabilities.
I like the drop down TV Idea
Is there another choice for booth such as fold out sleeper to have more of a living room area instead. Would be a nice swap for us and perhaps others. 😊
You can swap the theater for a hide-a-bed
@@JoshtheRVNerd Thank you Josh...trying to get rid of booth dinette. Lol. 😅 Appreciate ya!! 😊
I think optional solar… most standard ones are just trickle chargers anyway, and the optional package is probably too small for serious off grid campers. They make it easy to upgrade with the black pipe.
I think that bedroom door is an issue. Maybe a short door, or a pocket door and put the TV hookups on the side wall?
Thx for sharing. Not sure on the bedroom door. Ty
Very nice, but I've got a tall husband (6'5")...what's the bedroom ceiling height?
I don’t have the specs for that, though if you refer to me standing in the shower I’m 61”
Hard fact is your husband will not fit the upper decks of the vast majority of fifth wheels. Oddly some travel trailers will be a better fit - those with 7ft ceilings for instance
@@JoshtheRVNerd thanks, we've got a Gulf Stream Vintage Cruiser now, but want something bigger & enclosed/warm underneath for retirement...may just stay with a TT...love your videos & the honest appraisal you offer!
I love the floorplan. Constructive criticism for Alliance on this floorplan:
1. Table needs to be on legs. This leads to #2
2. "Rear" wall dinette storage should be drawer(s) pulling to the center of the table.
3. Under cabinet lighting especially around the cooktop.
4. Backsplash around cooktop
5. Bedroom cabinet struts needed on vertically opening doors -or- swap to a side opening door
Feedback in general:
Great bathroom design
Good bedroom design, I wish they would allow a king swap , but that is not bad
I love the practical touches regarding plumbing, wire coding
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I guess you could say that the relatively small freshwater tank is the main tradeoff of this 5th wheel vs most of the more popular 5th wheels.
Yeah smaller size leaves less space for big tanks unfortunately
Need to relocate the fuse panel, too easy for children to get too. Love the rv.
Where would you suggest?
In a bunk model I'd be a little more concerned with it but It's a fair point regardless
@Josh the RV Nerd at Bish's RV a little higher off the floor or behind a cabinet door. But as you said not a kid focused RV, so maybe not a big deal.
I would swap the u dinette for table and chairs. The dinette looks too narrow for sleeping. I’d swap theater seats for a sleeper sofa, so wouldn’t lose guest space. Put the TV on a bracket to pull down while watching.
Drop bracket tv is a great idea I think
Not sure who they built it for small family or couple? If couple get rid of dinette and incorporate a wash/dryer combo and more storage. Also make bedroom accessible with slide in...
Road mode access to the upper deck is a minor sticking point but no access to the fuse/breaker panel has me concerned…would not want to manually extend out that slide if the breaker for the slide trips. Notice a lot of these smaller fifth wheels ( not just Alliance) with the driver side slide have the fuse panel in that same spot. Wish they’d find a different spot for it so that access is not limited when the slide is in.
Yeah, it’s a tweak I would like to see as well
Great review of this 22ML! But maybe we should call it the 22RK lol 😆
Or the 22FB front bath
Or the 22HAR - has a roof
Is that booth and table removable without leaving damage behind? This one I Love except booth/table...we would just like that a more open space for personal items. Just 2 of us . 😊 Also...can we get a camp queen ....more walk around room. We are shorter...😂
Pretty much. You’d be able to see SOME sign of it if you knew where to look
@@JoshtheRVNerd Thank you Josh. Nice area rug should care for that. 😊🤗
We changed our door latches to magnets because they are really hard to open whe;you have mobility issues
I like that idea!
Will the slide open part way for upper deck access during travel stops?
Yes
Will the slide operate off the batteries at travel stops?
@@stevemaggiora2300 yes slides are 12v powered meaning battery powered
Always.
Thanks… good to know if you need to get to the upstairs!
Josh, what’s going on with the floor in front of the fridge
It's not the floor construction - just the loose flap that overhangs from the slide to the floor looking a little wavy
Keep solar optional. What they are offering is bare minimum. Need 3k inverter, 800 watts solar, and 600 amp hr lithium. Thats probably $10k upgrade, but what you need to boondock for extended periods, and ability to run 1 ac and microwave.
Thx Jack
1. Far prefer dinette with free standing tables chairs
2. Kitchen nice but a silverware drawer would be appreciated
3. Yes, bathroom must be travel accessible. Not a consideration without it.
4. Cuddle compliant heater seats with pull down arm rest is a must.
5. Yes, dual purpose AC and USB plugs would be great.
6. And instead of always saying no, might the slide engineers come up with a way to make slides usable when closed?
7. All in all, I like the size, the roof, the interior color scheme, external color scheme and grapics still too busy for me. See Outdoors RVs for a simple but tasteful scheme. The ladder, auto-leveling and the kitchen are great but the items above are important to be improved in order to consider this model. Also, torsion axels and/or shock absorbers are catching my eye. Conduit tube - nice looking ahead consideration.
Perhaps give this one a swing... ua-cam.com/video/VnIlUD0TaHk/v-deo.html
like it mucho!
Thank you! Cheers!
Good to see you could remove that dinette and seating completely, add recliners and just use folding tables for eating.
Interesting Idea!
As always, can you do away with that damn anti-cuddle theatre seat?
If you go hide a bed yessir
It's a nice trailer and floorplan. There is a cost difference and due to height and pin weight it isn't really 1/2 ton towable but this trailer would be a good alternative to some of the travel trailers in this length range.
I only noticed one ceiling vent in the bathroom. I assume the A/C in the main area is not ducted. I'm not sure I would like that as there is a big difference in how loud a non-ducted system is compared to a ducted one. If it truly isn't ducted then I would rather see something like the Truma A/C as they are much quieter not to mention efficient than their American designed counterparts. In fact I would consider forgoing the factory installed A/C in the bedroom and install a Truma there myself.
The theatre seat is a no go with the fixed center armrest. We would require the option of a triifold sofa or theatre seats with a fold down armrest to be interested.
That's about it as far as dislikes.
As to the solar we would order the solar package. I still think it should be an option to either add it or being able to remove it for a credit.
Whole house ducted air off the living AC - they used a more traditional air system
Different from other alliance rvs. They went that route due to the smaller size
They need to add more plugs in the Kitchen area???
Where would you like them?
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Replace the dinette with a quality cuddle compliant sofa sleeper and add some “standard” solar and you’d have a real winner👍
Rockwood is one of the few really crushing that I think
@@JoshtheRVNerd We know that at least half of all customers would jump at the chance to add more comfortable seating, so why the option of a dinette or sofa isn’t offered on every RV floorplan when possible is mind boggling, because it would be a huge win for manufacturers👍
@@stevez340 I'm with you on this one Steve.
I would love to see a maximum solar package available something like 800 W of solar on the roof a 50 amp and PPT controller and a 3000 W inverter
Would be very capable!
@@JoshtheRVNerd thank you very much for your reply and comment. I know you are a very busy guy, so I really appreciate when you reply.
Agree with others solar on board standard
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Can this RV be towed with an F150 platinium 2021 truck 3.5 Powerboost
Without actual specs on the truck - especially payload - nobody can really answer that question for you
@@JoshtheRVNerd payload on truck is 1450 lbs
Thanks for the review, but I just can’t understand why someone would entertain buying a 5th wheel that has bathroom closed off during travel.
Critical for some people for sure
Not for others
It’s not an issue for me as an example
But there are plenty of other options if it’s an all stop point
Optional Solar panel
We do offer this now!