i am 55 years old. I was a drummer for 45 years but in the last 15 years was plagued by injury. I took up bass from scratch in november 2023 and am now playing jazz gigs reading chord charts and soloing over changes. Theres nothing to worry about. If you want it enough you will do it...
This episode of the podcast has inspired me. I will be turning 60 in 2025 and I feel like I can finallly start doing what I want to do with my bass playing. 2025 is going to be my year!😊
Wayne Shorter never stopped evolving and only got better with age. The great Boston saxophonist Jerry Bergonzi continues an amazing evolution. The brilliant guitarist John Stowell continues to expand the instruments horizons … at least in jazz there’s countless contradictions.
Here's the thing-as far as learning goes while it gets harder it's not as hard as Rick makes it out to be. The reason so many older artists have trouble finding mainstream success is that the industry itself is biased against older musicians. That doesn't mean you can't make it. There's just so much that goes into having a successful song and/or record, and it all comes down to chance. Bonnie Raitt, Rolling Stones, Johnny Cash...I could go on and on listing older musicians and acts who ended up being more successful after they were supposedly past the 'peak' of their careers.
I definitely agree that context is a big part of it. That's why I spent so long in the episode thinking about the differences between all the artists being talked about, and when they found their success. Maybe I didn't make my own point, about success being fulfillment more than anything, strong enough... but that's the one downside of doing these podcasts off the top of my head after hitting the record button. I think it's a very nuanced and complicated conversation on a lot of levels, and one I'm quite happy to continue having while I search for my own answer to the conundrum.
Last year I stress purchased a bass and started getting back into it after 8ish years of not playing it. I'm turning 30 in the next week and honestly, I've been really happy with my progress and I plan on getting better after I turn 30. I had an 80-something year old piano teacher growing up who played ragtime piano and wore overalls every day, and he told me there's no optimal age for playing music. The beauty of it is you can keep learning new things, you can keep getting better, and you can keep creating for your entire life. I always think back on his words when I feel like I'm "behind" with my bass playing ability. I think life can get in the way of us being creative as we reach certain points in life, but we can choose to pursue music and invest time in it if it's something we love and enjoy. Anyways, I guess Chuck Berry was 32 when Johnny B Goode came out and Charles Bradley didn't get big until his 50's or 60's! As far as cranking out big records that make platinum and commercial success, I wonder how much of that success at younger ages come with the territory of young people being the target audience of most big musicians. Music for "today" (whenever that today might have been) mostly caters to younger people. I'm not sure if I'm making sense here, but it's sort of like how as we get older we stop understanding the trends of kids and teens. As artists age, they're maybe not as relatable to the younger generation even if they're incredible artists and so they stop seeing that same level of constant commercial success. But I honestly think that's okay. I really enjoy listening to the growth evidenced by my favorite artists even if they aren't as commercially successful later down the line.
i think the first album is always the best because it has 10+ years of pent up ideas and concepts within it. of course youre gonna put all your best lines, grooves, solos and motifs that youve been accumulating since you started playing into it. in the subsequent work you will have to avoid all the best you had to offer in order to not repeat yourself. i dont think its about age per see, its more about the inevitable linearity of the passing of time. if artists took 10 year breaks between albums and just let stuff pile up and then select only the best of the best of 10 years worth , we might get records that live up to the first one. also i think time and experience grants sophistication but makes you lose some of the spontaneity and blissful arrogance. wisdom can be constraint to creativity in a way. theres a certain rigidness and rigor that pushes you to avoid simplicity and sometimes it ends up overcomplicating things when its not needed (for the sake of itself).
Great Podcast Janek, Congratulations to the winner! Greetings from Poland! BTW... Have a listen to Christina Aguilera 25th Anniversary Spotify performance. I love how much bass is grooving!
Janek, you hit a touchy subject for this 50 year old. Been playing for 32 years. We can always get better. Can we get more creative? 🤷🏼 my conclusion... we love what we do. We improve in some areas, decline in others. Brain plasticity is an amazing thing, and we would definitely be 'less than' without the music in our lives. Thank you for doing what you do!!! It's relavant to me!
It's all circumstantial. Just his opinion. One can keep improving forever-music markets do change, but that does not *necessarily* mean any artist's "peak" is really gone. In that same video Mr. Beato admitted to some caveats. He meant well, but I just think it's his valid opinion. My apologies of course to all who may disagree. It's just *my* opinion as well. Even challenging instruments such as the violin can be learned by adults, difficult as it may be for them to reach the Paganini Caprices level. Improvement is eternal-I mean, for as long as we breathe and have the physical capability to keep playing. Thanks so much for the video and all your work!
Thank you Janek. Was still thinking about it. Be simply creative. Do what you love and continue working playfully. You will grow then anyway. Maybe different than others (your heroes). But I mean, who’s cares? You are yourself. This is enough, when working honestly as much as you can spare your time 🙂 “…Doubts should be welcomed…” as Feynman said but theories of others, when still unproven, shouldn’t stop you trying
I haven’t finished the whole episode yet, so sorry if you cover this later. Personally, I feel like the idea that artists do their best work in their 20s is a bit flawed, for a few reasons: A lot of great artists and bands break onto the scene with something fresh and revolutionary-that initial impact can be so powerful that it’s hard to top. Even if they evolve or experiment later, we might not see it as “better” because we’re so attached to what they did first. Some of the freshest, most original work comes from people starting their careers later in life-Leonard Cohen and Bill Withers come to mind, both debuting in their 30s. It’s less about age and more about where someone is on their creative journey. It just so happens that many artists start in their 20s, so we tend to associate that age with breakthroughs. Lastly, I don’t think “best work” has to mean “most famous work” or even the work that defines someone’s early career. Sure, Led Zeppelin was incredible, but I wouldn’t want to miss out on Robert Plant’s Raising Sand or John Paul Jones in Them Crooked Vultures.
No one is wrong or right. Interesting dialogue, like band mates. Rick’s a great teacher. You doing this exact video is proof of that. 😉 ‘Wax on, wax off…’ 😄 🖖
He was wrong about "Jeremy" by Pearl Jam having one of the greatest Bass introductions in it because when I heard it back in the day, all I heard was KING'S X, with Eddie Vedder singing instead. So once I knew he was wrong about that, I didn't have to listen to him anymore about anything :D
Happy birthday, Janek, you are truly the OGwizdala, man! In case of learning, yes, it might be be easier when you are younger, you have more energy, less things to worry about, when I think about the amount of time I had as a teenager... The other thing is that science contradicts Rick's arguments: it has been already discovered that the brain can build new neurons throughout whole life. In the past, it was believed that this process stops at a certain age. The second thing it that the older you get, the wiser you are: just as you described, now you know better how to use time more efficiently and experience is a big part of it. I remember Jaco saying that he played so many hours on the bass since young age that some part of his practice is just done in his thoughts. The third part is simple, if a person stays healthy (nutrition, sleep, exercises) it improves how the brain works.
You are in your prime. You continue to inspire and amaze. And your songwriting is at its zenith. I think Rick is right, but it does not apply to everyone.
Hi Janek, good video on an intersting topic. I like Clutch. They're in their fifties now and seem to keep delivering, they certainly produced good music well beyond their twenties.
I agree with the overall concept Rick brought up, but I also believe things are more "case specific", or at least i have to believe so, because otherwise it would mean i'm basically done before even starting. I've been playing bass and studying music since i was 17 (wich according to most people is already late to start a musical journey) but I had to do many jobs, all outside the musical environment, for most of my twenties in order to afford studies and save some money wich i ultimately needed to begin my career in music ( wich, at least in my country wich is the only one i have experienced and the only one i can talk about, takes many years to start actually making money and afford a living). I had many experiences in my twenties, despite having a full time dayjob, i managed to do some gigging, a tour, releasing an album with a band, but I still feel the best is yet to happen for me. I have to believe so to keep myself motivated, because i'm 31 and commited to a full time musician life just for 4 years now. It can get really depressing sometimes to look around you and see that most of the people is younger and already did more intresting things than you, but most of the times, when comparing our lives, it appears to me as i'm just "delayed" in the process, but things are happening and moving for me, and I feel really excited about that. So in the end, even if I think the overall concept is true, i still believe (and hope) it wont totally apply to me, i believe even if I already hit mi 30's, i have a lot to give and to say, and much of the experience i gained in my 20's will serve me well in this new part of the journey. By the way, thanks again and again for always bringing up such intresting conversations!
Sting was 42 when he made Ten Summoner’s Tales. Radiohead were in their 30’s when they made Kid A. Pilgrimage, at least in terms of composition, is peak Michael Brecker for me. Jay Z was 33 when he made the Black Album. I can’t think of any “clunkers” in your catalog but the biggest disappointment is never getting to hear the Tim Miller, Dennis Chambers trio album. I’m sure you had good reasons for not putting it out though. Looking forward to next year’s releases!
It was a sad day when I had put that album in the bin... On paper it was the dream band, and on the day it just didn't work out. No one to blame but myself on that one. Dennis and Tim are obviously at the top of their games and their respective fields, but in that moment, I didn't produce/write/play/manage the situation well enough to get the result I wanted.
Hmm, I'm also hoping it's not true. 46 years old here, thought I'd peaked about 8 years ago but new collaborators have pulled music out of me that I never thought possible, there's at least a few years worth of music that needs recording still to come and we're not slowing down in the writing front!
Love this video and topic. I have to disagree. Loads of my favourite artists made great music later in life. I love a lot of stuff Prince did in later life such as The Rainbow Children. Pantera didn't get to their best until they were about 40 with 5 or 6 albums behind them they disowned.
I also dont agree with “the music you listen to in your teens is what you always listen to” when every artist I listen to now I discovered with the last 7-8 years
We haven't toured since before the pandemic, so it's been a while. We always keep in touch though and talk often. He's one of the most important people in my life and in my musical upbringing, so it's always a great moment to be onstage with him and the cats. He does respond to setlist suggestions really well too. I spoke to him the other day about putting a tune in the show that I love that wasn't on the initial list of songs he sent me, and he said "oh yeah, great idea man. Let's do it!"
I think it comes down to do. I still have something to say. Everyone says music is a language and a way of expressing yourself. I think artists making music as a revenue stream and nothing more are looking at it wrong. As long as you still Have something to say about how you think and feel, keep going. As long as you are happy with the music you are making, age is not a factor.
While is undeniably harder to get anything done better as you get older, I really don’t believe that in arts this applies too drastically. A good recent example to prove it; Juan Luis Guerra just won the 2024 Latin Grammy for best record, and he is 67 now. He’s been consistent since his 20 all the way to now. It’s more about the individual and their craft than age, I would say.
I think Rick Beato is totally right. One of the things that's going on in the entertainment industry even going beyond just music is, no one is paying for physical copies anymore, so that this is so, it creates less interest from the listening audience meaning less demand from the outfit of entertainment. I even remember sometimes just before purchasing a physical copy, changing my mind on if I wanted to spend the money or purchase a different copy. So, modern listeners and watchers are less pickier because there's, as Rick Beato would say, no sweat equity being put into purchasing thus keeping the quality lower from distributors of modern entertainment from passive listening rather than critical purchasers. I'm sure Rick Beato would be proud of this comment?👍
I think that physical media was obviously a consideration of that generation, and it has undoubtedly changed. But we also can't ignore what the landscape is now, and if physical media isn't a part of it, that needs to be okay. There are plenty of people deemed to be successful in 2024, they are just successful by different metrics, and I think that's okay.
@janekgwizdala I wouldn't necessarily say it's o.k. If I go into the movie making industry, there's been high budget box office flops sometimes budgeting around a half of a billion dollars. This doesn't have anything to do with physical purchases but bad ideas such as scripters and writers are producing low grade or midrange material. The difference between the movie industry and the music industry is most people aren't as passive about watching a 3 hour movie as they are of listening to a 2 minute song. Unlike the Hollywood flops at the box office, modern music listeners are more passive because music albums and songs aren't something that is hyped up to be bigger than what they actually are before they come out. No one is talking about music albums anymore or are enthusiastic about them before they come out which is totally opposite from times past which creates modern listeners to be midrange listeners rather than progressive critical seekers of what's to come. Technically, just like movies are flopping because of bad scripters and writers, music should be in the same boat, but there is starting to be signs of even the youth starting to tap out of the mediocre landscape of music & movies with podcast dedicated to shooting it down. Here are some of them to check out as a recommendation. The Full Stack Creative. Video ( The music industry is going to zero) Songwriter Theory video (Response to Rick Beato) Jesterbell video (Is Hollywood going to die) Ava Catherine video (Modern pop music is boring) The Real DL video (The Problem with Today's Hop Hop). Pop Culture Crisis video (Gen Z don't know how to fill out work application). Take a listen, and give me your feedback on if you think they hit the nail on the head??? See you soon.
I guess, John Deacon, may be enjoying his peak of success of his life, right now as we speak, that could be greater than the successful musical output of his. Rick could be right, but success on it's own , is not limited to only on a particular or some certain parts of our life, in this case, successful musical output, and it's subjective too. To define success, in such a narrow view, it could be a human being tragedy. We could be success but feeling empty. We could be not so success but feeling rejoice. It's a blue pill or red pill thing. And that's beyond music.
Rick left out a huge issue. Labels make their biggest paydays breaking young artists. Historically first contracts are predatory because the label takes the risk. After a band breaks they demand better follow up contracts. At that point the label says yea, we'll still make decent money and don't have to promote as much, or they refuse, and don't have to promote at all. The point, labels only really push young artists.
To me Beato is dead wrong cause there is no such thing like an absolute truth, the world is still turning, music is waiting to be produced regardless at what age, who is the absolute judge?
In our community, people like you or Tim Lefebvre, will be 90 and still being innovators that everyone looks up to 😊 You gave great examples of Pat Metheny. But Wes Montgomery's career kicked off really in his late 30's. What about Jojo Mayer? He's always the "youngest" musician on stage 😄
Appreciate the kind words. I have to say, as much as I hate to talk about my own shit, that was one of the best studio experiences of my life regardless of it being a band leader or sideman date. No matter what the outcome would have been musically, it would have been filed under top 5 musical experiences of my life.
@@janekgwizdala Glad to hear that. It certainly comes through in the music in my opinion. With regards to the OG topic: that's what ALWAYS comes through. If you can manage to retain the "spark", the joy, the work ethic, etc etc, past your 20s I don't see any reason for the music to suffer. That's the stuff that solidifies legacy in my book. How many people have asked themselves, "what would Hendrix be doing if he was still alive?" The trick, it seems, is simply to put in the necessary work to keep growing.
I don’t think it was a age thing but more a where everyone is in life, still I can put mystery to me or space in between on repeat for hours (even tho in sure you are a more experienced and mature artist on night watch) Speaking of… did the documentary of night watch ever came out?
The Night Watch documentary sits on my desktop, unfinished, and taunting me daily. There is some really good stuff in there, but there are massive holes in the story from a cinematic standpoint that are making it really hard to thread together. It will come out, and when the craziness of the new book launch, and the release of the 20th anniversary of Mystery to Me, I'll have some time to make sense of the footage and share it with everyone.
I’ve got two things to say on this topic. 1. Selection bias - there are so many musicians your not thinking of making their best stuff later 2. Correlation does not equal causation . Even if we did find a majority of artists made their stuff in their 20s . We would have no idea without studying why. Age alone is probably not the factor that made their music better but a whole host of various variables.
I agree that we have to look into why, and that age alone isn't the only cause. Like I talked about in the video, context is everything. Artists Rick referenced in the 60's experienced a totally different set of creative options than a lot of artists in 2024, and there are so many more nuances to the question than just age.
@@janekgwizdala Yup! Couldn’t agree more . Great video love engaging with topics like this beyond the clickbate shallow videos . I appreciate you getting into the nuance. Plus I’m way into my 30s lmao so no matter what I’m telling myself the best from me is yet to come .
@mastermachetier5594 If "selection bias" is wrong, then your points are "invalid" too because they're based on the effects of "selection bias". What I mean by that is that if your point of "there are so many musicians your not thinking of making their best stuff later" is true, selection bias can ONLY be "wrong", meaning it's dependent on the concept itself. On the other hand, if there was no "selection bias" (which would be impossible) behind Rick's claims, your points couldn't possibly be true because then he would've already taken into account all the musicians you referred to.
I think Rick Beato's video got misinterpreted, it seems like many only watched the beginning. He goes on to make the the point that many artists peak later. What is true, however, that people rarely make a breakthrough at something late in life if the didn't start early. If someone has an exceptional talent for something, it doesn't just suddenly show up at 50. If they peak at that age, it's because it's the culmination of a process that started in their youth.
He serves the majority of boomers who stopped evolving in 1979 when their beloved rock changed for good. He constantly reminds them that their gen was the best and nobody else can be as good as them. Millennial gen z bad, boomer good. He’s beating that dead horse over n over and for the rest of us who understand that life is continual evolution of living well, moving the body and embracing new things just like you did in your teens, he sounds absolutely ridiculous.
I feel like the materialistic nuances you add to Rick's "argument" (about financial means for uninterrrupted studio time, responsibilities that come with a being further in your life, time management as an independent artist, and just the cost of life going up and up steadily since the 80s) just go to show how poor Rick's reflection is (at least on video). Because those aspects are not side-notes, they are the main factor for why young musicians are more prolific and also were even more back then in the 60s-80s than now - and so were more able to make successful things. I take it as a sign of being out of touch with concrete material conditions of existence to just put it all on "creativity" or whatever pseudo-scientific neuro-psychological musical IQ bullshit.
Leonard Cohen , David Sylvian , Trilok Gurtu, Jon Hassel , Joni Mitchell , Lakshminarayana Shankar , Peter Gabriel , Kate Bush … There is many artists that grow & develop musically like a fine wine Ah but really ‘ We are all the same age as the Universe’ 🌏🕊️
Big time. Plenty of 40 something success stories both in music and elsewhere. I seem to remember something about Anthony Bourdain not really breaking through until he was at least 40. Maybe later..?
Tyson didn’t make a fool of himself! Watch out for casual negative judgements of others! He made $15 million dollars that night and walked away unscathed.
Objectively speaking, from the press coverage alone, he didn't walk away unscathed by any stretch of the imagination. First of all it was an exhibition, not a legit professional fight. No matter what the licenses say, no one was expecting a knockout from either participant, and it wouldn't surprise me if they both had it written into their contracts that they both had to last the entire 8 rounds, and that the outcome/result was pre-determined. I was talking not only about the vague physical attributes Tyson still has to look professional, but the stature as a media personality that he's maintained over the years. I was comparing him to the majority of professional athletes that retire when they're 30 or younger. Not NBA stars with Lambos and mansions, but the majority of the world's professional athletes like marathon runners and sprint kayakers. The people who you never hear about, but were legitimate professional athletes in their field who have zero options past their retirement. Tyson is 58, almost died in June and lost a ton of blood and 25lbs in body mass. 30 years ago there's no way he steps into the ring that soon after going through all of that because he was a professional. Now, aside from all the cute ESPN storylines of "I'm happy my family got to see me do this one last time", it was purely a business/entertainment transaction and had nothing to do with sport.
I'm a stone-cold taker I'm a piggy bank shaker And I don't waste my time talkin' trash So if you go to my school You gotta learn this rule Don't let your mouth write a check That your body can't cash Quincy Jones “the Dude”
I think anything Rick Beato says should be ignored. I blocked him years ago after he was rude in the comments towards me. At the time, he was pushing this idea that unless you knew theory, to the 10th degree, that you really weren't to be considered a "musician". I'm paraphrasing of course. That guy is not worth mentioning.
I wouldn’t worry about it if I were you. I really like Beato’s channel but that take was a masterclass in survivorship bias. There are a small group of people who will break boundaries in their 20s while everyone else either needs until their 30s and 40s or is lost to the sands of time. Then you have the issue of people who peaked in their 20s tangling with illicit substances (horrible for the mind).
I dig what he had to say. I agree with a lot of it, and I think it's more of an unfinished conversation than it is wrong in any way. There are so many layers, and I'm thankful for the initial premise getting me to really think about my own process. Whether we agree with others or not, I always find there's value to be found in the thought process that follows.
@ There’s also a luck factor people forget about. Your parents and early childhood play a big part in all of this and that’s completely out of our control. How many Mozart’s never were because their parents didn’t care that much about music? The world may never know. And sometimes you just have to be in the right place at the right time. If you were a jazzer in the 60s and couldn’t live in New York or L.A., you were pretty much out of luck.
Beato made a follow up video saying that most people haven't watched the whole video. The second half of the video talks about how creativity works when you are older. Classical and Jazz artists are not the same as pop artists, in jazz you are just getting into your stride at 30. In Pop or a lot of rock you are washed up. Go back and watch the whole video before you panic.
I did watch the whole video, that's why I also referenced the exceptions Rick talked about. Miles Davis and John Coltrane being two of them in my world of jazz for instance. I'm sure a lot of people didn't watch the whole thing and commented before they should. I actually watched it three or four times just to make sure I had fully understood the points he was making. Again, I think it's a much more nuanced topic than could be explained in a 10 minute video.
Compared to previous years (where I uploaded every day for 314 days straight for instance in 2016/17) I think I'm far more of a gigging musician than I am a UA-camr. And that's saying something as I basically say no to 90% of the live dates/session I get called for now because I'm a husband and dad to a 3 year old, and don't want to turn around one day and think "who is this stranger living in our house?". Not sure what your question was aimed at. In fact it made little sense at all. But that's my answer none the less.
I'm sure everyone noticed that Rick has changed the title of his video to "Why Musical IQ Soars After 30". That sneaky geezer. And as it happens, he talks about crystallized intelligence in the video and provides several examples of musicians creating great works in later life. Most people commenting on that video appear to stamp their foot and insist that they still can create great music in middle age. Well, Rick is in violent agreement.
I didn't know there was a title change, and I have no idea what it was before its current one... let me know if you know. And again, I agree with a lot of what was being said about one's musical IQ going up with age. You can't deny that experience can be a great addition to one's musical output, hopefully enriching the story we have to tell as musicians and artists.
Rick Beato is wrong about a great number of things, and has an attitude that is overwhelmingly Boomer-ish, which is why I can't stand listening to him. But, if you are going to talk about commercial success being the measure of "best" output in a musician's career, then the factors involved are a lot more involved than the artist's music development, and have everything to do with the marketing preferences of the industry that affected (and really, let's be honest--effected) the purchasing preferences of the audience. As Janek notes here, the era has to be considered. Like a lot of Boomers, Beato's scales are heavily weighted by the fact that the rock artists of the 1960s didn't have anyone competing with them for the idea of what was "best" in rock music, because that generation originated what came to be regarded as the definition of the genre, and the rest of us since keep getting compared to them, even when that comparison isn't apt. But, the labels no longer control what's popular or what's going to sell. They don't even control the distribution channels, anymore, much less the promotional channels. Does anyone even listen to FM radio, anymore? These roles have now fallen to tech companies, and professional quality recording technology is now available for a minuscule fraction of what it cost in the 1960s, 70s, and 80s. Even in the MI sector, the advent of Chinese high tech manufacturing means that we can get gear of outstanding quality (like microphones) for a fraction of what their equivalents cost 30-40 years ago. Times have dramatically changed, and standards have changed with them, but the Boomers are still using their vintage yardsticks.
Well, I must say that if Rick Beato said what he said - he just quoted Albert Einstein... so not very original, and stupid. Sorry Rick. Einstein quote was : "A person who has not made his great contribution to science before the age of 30 will never do so". Even in physics - his own playground - there were dozens of examples after Einstein era proving how wrong he was. So Janek, you should not even had to spend time on this video trying to prove such a super stupid statement is wrong. Everything J.S. Bach wrote between the ages of 30-65 was shit ? Everything Pablo Picasso painted between the ages of 30-90 was shit ? C'mon...
You can tell from these comments who didn't watch the whole video. RB had to make a video explaining, "Yeah, those 'what about X person' comments y'all made? I addressed that and made the point you're trying to make. You didn't watch long enough."
I watched, and Rick is wrong. He made a bunch of assumptions that weren't based on ANY kind of actual science. It was just a bunch of biased observations. That's not how you do things.
@@ZiddersRooFurry "biased observations" dude, observations are inherently biased. That's what "observational bias" means. I have bad news for you, though-- we're all allowed to make observations and filter them through our own experiences and then talk about our conclusions. That's not how you do "things"? WHAT THINGS?
i am 55 years old. I was a drummer for 45 years but in the last 15 years was plagued by injury. I took up bass from scratch in november 2023 and am now playing jazz gigs reading chord charts and soloing over changes. Theres nothing to worry about. If you want it enough you will do it...
This episode of the podcast has inspired me. I will be turning 60 in 2025 and I feel like I can finallly start doing what I want to do with my bass playing. 2025 is going to be my year!😊
Don;t despair! Look at Ron Carter or Leland Sklar! They are still in the groove!
Wayne Shorter never stopped evolving and only got better with age. The great Boston saxophonist Jerry Bergonzi continues an amazing evolution. The brilliant guitarist John Stowell continues to expand the instruments horizons … at least in jazz there’s countless contradictions.
I think my note choice gets better as I grow older.
Happy Birthday 🎉 🎶
Happy birthday, Janek. Thanks for all you've shared, and how self confident you've made us.
Here's the thing-as far as learning goes while it gets harder it's not as hard as Rick makes it out to be. The reason so many older artists have trouble finding mainstream success is that the industry itself is biased against older musicians. That doesn't mean you can't make it. There's just so much that goes into having a successful song and/or record, and it all comes down to chance. Bonnie Raitt, Rolling Stones, Johnny Cash...I could go on and on listing older musicians and acts who ended up being more successful after they were supposedly past the 'peak' of their careers.
I definitely agree that context is a big part of it. That's why I spent so long in the episode thinking about the differences between all the artists being talked about, and when they found their success.
Maybe I didn't make my own point, about success being fulfillment more than anything, strong enough... but that's the one downside of doing these podcasts off the top of my head after hitting the record button.
I think it's a very nuanced and complicated conversation on a lot of levels, and one I'm quite happy to continue having while I search for my own answer to the conundrum.
Last year I stress purchased a bass and started getting back into it after 8ish years of not playing it. I'm turning 30 in the next week and honestly, I've been really happy with my progress and I plan on getting better after I turn 30. I had an 80-something year old piano teacher growing up who played ragtime piano and wore overalls every day, and he told me there's no optimal age for playing music. The beauty of it is you can keep learning new things, you can keep getting better, and you can keep creating for your entire life. I always think back on his words when I feel like I'm "behind" with my bass playing ability. I think life can get in the way of us being creative as we reach certain points in life, but we can choose to pursue music and invest time in it if it's something we love and enjoy.
Anyways, I guess Chuck Berry was 32 when Johnny B Goode came out and Charles Bradley didn't get big until his 50's or 60's! As far as cranking out big records that make platinum and commercial success, I wonder how much of that success at younger ages come with the territory of young people being the target audience of most big musicians. Music for "today" (whenever that today might have been) mostly caters to younger people. I'm not sure if I'm making sense here, but it's sort of like how as we get older we stop understanding the trends of kids and teens. As artists age, they're maybe not as relatable to the younger generation even if they're incredible artists and so they stop seeing that same level of constant commercial success. But I honestly think that's okay. I really enjoy listening to the growth evidenced by my favorite artists even if they aren't as commercially successful later down the line.
As long as you are being natural and enjoying your self expression in a musical exploration, anything grows and becomes easier.
i think the first album is always the best because it has 10+ years of pent up ideas and concepts within it. of course youre gonna put all your best lines, grooves, solos and motifs that youve been accumulating since you started playing into it. in the subsequent work you will have to avoid all the best you had to offer in order to not repeat yourself. i dont think its about age per see, its more about the inevitable linearity of the passing of time. if artists took 10 year breaks between albums and just let stuff pile up and then select only the best of the best of 10 years worth , we might get records that live up to the first one. also i think time and experience grants sophistication but makes you lose some of the spontaneity and blissful arrogance. wisdom can be constraint to creativity in a way. theres a certain rigidness and rigor that pushes you to avoid simplicity and sometimes it ends up overcomplicating things when its not needed (for the sake of itself).
Michael Brecker didn’t release a solo album until he was 38. And DANG was that a good album. There’s always hope, man. I’m mostly talking to myself. 😂
It was the only way he had time to play on 1,928,028,456 albums before that 🤣 but yeah, I hear you.
Ha! True. What a legend.
Great Podcast Janek, Congratulations to the winner! Greetings from Poland!
BTW... Have a listen to Christina Aguilera 25th Anniversary Spotify performance. I love how much bass is grooving!
Janek, you hit a touchy subject for this 50 year old. Been playing for 32 years. We can always get better. Can we get more creative? 🤷🏼 my conclusion... we love what we do. We improve in some areas, decline in others. Brain plasticity is an amazing thing, and we would definitely be 'less than' without the music in our lives. Thank you for doing what you do!!! It's relavant to me!
It's all circumstantial. Just his opinion. One can keep improving forever-music markets do change, but that does not *necessarily* mean any artist's "peak" is really gone. In that same video Mr. Beato admitted to some caveats. He meant well, but I just think it's his valid opinion.
My apologies of course to all who may disagree. It's just *my* opinion as well. Even challenging instruments such as the violin can be learned by adults, difficult as it may be for them to reach the Paganini Caprices level. Improvement is eternal-I mean, for as long as we breathe and have the physical capability to keep playing.
Thanks so much for the video and all your work!
Thank you Janek. Was still thinking about it.
Be simply creative. Do what you love and continue working playfully. You will grow then anyway. Maybe different than others (your heroes). But I mean, who’s cares? You are yourself. This is enough, when working honestly as much as you can spare your time 🙂
“…Doubts should be welcomed…” as Feynman said but theories of others, when still unproven, shouldn’t stop you trying
I haven’t finished the whole episode yet, so sorry if you cover this later. Personally, I feel like the idea that artists do their best work in their 20s is a bit flawed, for a few reasons:
A lot of great artists and bands break onto the scene with something fresh and revolutionary-that initial impact can be so powerful that it’s hard to top. Even if they evolve or experiment later, we might not see it as “better” because we’re so attached to what they did first.
Some of the freshest, most original work comes from people starting their careers later in life-Leonard Cohen and Bill Withers come to mind, both debuting in their 30s. It’s less about age and more about where someone is on their creative journey. It just so happens that many artists start in their 20s, so we tend to associate that age with breakthroughs.
Lastly, I don’t think “best work” has to mean “most famous work” or even the work that defines someone’s early career. Sure, Led Zeppelin was incredible, but I wouldn’t want to miss out on Robert Plant’s Raising Sand or John Paul Jones in Them Crooked Vultures.
No one is wrong or right.
Interesting dialogue, like band mates.
Rick’s a great teacher. You doing this exact video is proof of that. 😉
‘Wax on, wax off…’ 😄
🖖
He was wrong about "Jeremy" by Pearl Jam having one of the greatest Bass introductions in it because when I heard it back in the day, all I heard was KING'S X, with Eddie Vedder singing instead.
So once I knew he was wrong about that, I didn't have to listen to him anymore about anything :D
Happy birthday, Janek, you are truly the OGwizdala, man!
In case of learning, yes, it might be be easier when you are younger, you have more energy, less things to worry about, when I think about the amount of time I had as a teenager...
The other thing is that science contradicts Rick's arguments: it has been already discovered that the brain can build new neurons throughout whole life. In the past, it was believed that this process stops at a certain age. The second thing it that the older you get, the wiser you are: just as you described, now you know better how to use time more efficiently and experience is a big part of it. I remember Jaco saying that he played so many hours on the bass since young age that some part of his practice is just done in his thoughts. The third part is simple, if a person stays healthy (nutrition, sleep, exercises) it improves how the brain works.
You are in your prime. You continue to inspire and amaze. And your songwriting is at its zenith. I think Rick is right, but it does not apply to everyone.
Hi Janek, good video on an intersting topic.
I like Clutch. They're in their fifties now and seem to keep delivering, they certainly produced good music well beyond their twenties.
I agree with the overall concept Rick brought up, but I also believe things are more "case specific", or at least i have to believe so, because otherwise it would mean i'm basically done before even starting. I've been playing bass and studying music since i was 17 (wich according to most people is already late to start a musical journey) but I had to do many jobs, all outside the musical environment, for most of my twenties in order to afford studies and save some money wich i ultimately needed to begin my career in music ( wich, at least in my country wich is the only one i have experienced and the only one i can talk about, takes many years to start actually making money and afford a living). I had many experiences in my twenties, despite having a full time dayjob, i managed to do some gigging, a tour, releasing an album with a band, but I still feel the best is yet to happen for me. I have to believe so to keep myself motivated, because i'm 31 and commited to a full time musician life just for 4 years now. It can get really depressing sometimes to look around you and see that most of the people is younger and already did more intresting things than you, but most of the times, when comparing our lives, it appears to me as i'm just "delayed" in the process, but things are happening and moving for me, and I feel really excited about that. So in the end, even if I think the overall concept is true, i still believe (and hope) it wont totally apply to me, i believe even if I already hit mi 30's, i have a lot to give and to say, and much of the experience i gained in my 20's will serve me well in this new part of the journey. By the way, thanks again and again for always bringing up such intresting conversations!
Sting was 42 when he made Ten Summoner’s Tales. Radiohead were in their 30’s when they made Kid A. Pilgrimage, at least in terms of composition, is peak Michael Brecker for me. Jay Z was 33 when he made the Black Album.
I can’t think of any “clunkers” in your catalog but the biggest disappointment is never getting to hear the Tim Miller, Dennis Chambers trio album. I’m sure you had good reasons for not putting it out though. Looking forward to next year’s releases!
It was a sad day when I had put that album in the bin... On paper it was the dream band, and on the day it just didn't work out. No one to blame but myself on that one. Dennis and Tim are obviously at the top of their games and their respective fields, but in that moment, I didn't produce/write/play/manage the situation well enough to get the result I wanted.
A thought just occurred- Steven Wilson/Porcupine Tree: I'd argue his best releases have been since his late 30s.
Hmm, I'm also hoping it's not true. 46 years old here, thought I'd peaked about 8 years ago but new collaborators have pulled music out of me that I never thought possible, there's at least a few years worth of music that needs recording still to come and we're not slowing down in the writing front!
Love this video and topic. I have to disagree. Loads of my favourite artists made great music later in life. I love a lot of stuff Prince did in later life such as The Rainbow Children. Pantera didn't get to their best until they were about 40 with 5 or 6 albums behind them they disowned.
I meant I disagree with Rick. 😁
Having recently gotten into Taylor Swift, I have to say my favorite albums are mostly from 'Folklore' onward, and she was 30 when she released that.
I also dont agree with “the music you listen to in your teens is what you always listen to” when every artist I listen to now I discovered with the last 7-8 years
Can’t wait to see you at Yoshi’s with Mike Stern.
When was the last time you guys toured?
Does he ever let you choose a song to play?
We haven't toured since before the pandemic, so it's been a while. We always keep in touch though and talk often. He's one of the most important people in my life and in my musical upbringing, so it's always a great moment to be onstage with him and the cats.
He does respond to setlist suggestions really well too. I spoke to him the other day about putting a tune in the show that I love that wasn't on the initial list of songs he sent me, and he said "oh yeah, great idea man. Let's do it!"
I think it comes down to do. I still have something to say. Everyone says music is a language and a way of expressing yourself.
I think artists making music as a revenue stream and nothing more are looking at it wrong.
As long as you still
Have something to say about how you think and feel, keep going. As long as you are happy with the music you are making, age is not a factor.
While is undeniably harder to get anything done better as you get older, I really don’t believe that in arts this applies too drastically. A good recent example to prove it; Juan Luis Guerra just won the 2024 Latin Grammy for best record, and he is 67 now. He’s been consistent since his 20 all the way to now. It’s more about the individual and their craft than age, I would say.
I think Rick Beato is totally right. One of the things that's going on in the entertainment industry even going beyond just music is, no one is paying for physical copies anymore, so that this is so, it creates less interest from the listening audience meaning less demand from the outfit of entertainment. I even remember sometimes just before purchasing a physical copy, changing my mind on if I wanted to spend the money or purchase a different copy. So, modern listeners and watchers are less pickier because there's, as Rick Beato would say, no sweat equity being put into purchasing thus keeping the quality lower from distributors of modern entertainment from passive listening rather than critical purchasers. I'm sure Rick Beato would be proud of this comment?👍
I think that physical media was obviously a consideration of that generation, and it has undoubtedly changed.
But we also can't ignore what the landscape is now, and if physical media isn't a part of it, that needs to be okay. There are plenty of people deemed to be successful in 2024, they are just successful by different metrics, and I think that's okay.
@janekgwizdala I wouldn't necessarily say it's o.k. If I go into the movie making industry, there's been high budget box office flops sometimes budgeting around a half of a billion dollars. This doesn't have anything to do with physical purchases but bad ideas such as scripters and writers are producing low grade or midrange material. The difference between the movie industry and the music industry is most people aren't as passive about watching a 3 hour movie as they are of listening to a 2 minute song. Unlike the Hollywood flops at the box office, modern music listeners are more passive because music albums and songs aren't something that is hyped up to be bigger than what they actually are before they come out. No one is talking about music albums anymore or are enthusiastic about them before they come out which is totally opposite from times past which creates modern listeners to be midrange listeners rather than progressive critical seekers of what's to come. Technically, just like movies are flopping because of bad scripters and writers, music should be in the same boat, but there is starting to be signs of even the youth starting to tap out of the mediocre landscape of music & movies with podcast dedicated to shooting it down. Here are some of them to check out as a recommendation. The Full Stack Creative. Video ( The music industry is going to zero) Songwriter Theory video (Response to Rick Beato) Jesterbell video (Is Hollywood going to die) Ava Catherine video (Modern pop music is boring) The Real DL video (The Problem with Today's Hop Hop). Pop Culture Crisis video (Gen Z don't know how to fill out work application). Take a listen, and give me your feedback on if you think they hit the nail on the head??? See you soon.
I guess, John Deacon, may be enjoying his peak of success of his life, right now as we speak, that could be greater than the successful musical output of his. Rick could be right, but success on it's own , is not limited to only on a particular or some certain parts of our life, in this case, successful musical output, and it's subjective too. To define success, in such a narrow view, it could be a human being tragedy. We could be success but feeling empty. We could be not so success but feeling rejoice. It's a blue pill or red pill thing. And that's beyond music.
Hey Janek. Great Fan of you.
Rick left out a huge issue. Labels make their biggest paydays breaking young artists. Historically first contracts are predatory because the label takes the risk. After a band breaks they demand better follow up contracts. At that point the label says yea, we'll still make decent money and don't have to promote as much, or they refuse, and don't have to promote at all. The point, labels only really push young artists.
To me Beato is dead wrong cause there is no such thing like an absolute truth, the world is still turning, music is waiting to be produced regardless at what age, who is the absolute judge?
In our community, people like you or Tim Lefebvre, will be 90 and still being innovators that everyone looks up to 😊
You gave great examples of Pat Metheny. But Wes Montgomery's career kicked off really in his late 30's. What about Jojo Mayer? He's always the "youngest" musician on stage 😄
💯 the 🇨🇭 🥁 is an eternal 15 year old!
For what it's worth, One Way Out is my favourite record you've made. Minimalistic, free-roaming and unapologetically Janek 😉
Appreciate the kind words. I have to say, as much as I hate to talk about my own shit, that was one of the best studio experiences of my life regardless of it being a band leader or sideman date. No matter what the outcome would have been musically, it would have been filed under top 5 musical experiences of my life.
@@janekgwizdala Glad to hear that. It certainly comes through in the music in my opinion. With regards to the OG topic: that's what ALWAYS comes through. If you can manage to retain the "spark", the joy, the work ethic, etc etc, past your 20s I don't see any reason for the music to suffer.
That's the stuff that solidifies legacy in my book. How many people have asked themselves, "what would Hendrix be doing if he was still alive?" The trick, it seems, is simply to put in the necessary work to keep growing.
coltrane was 39 when he released A love supreme
I don’t think it was a age thing but more a where everyone is in life, still I can put mystery to me or space in between on repeat for hours (even tho in sure you are a more experienced and mature artist on night watch)
Speaking of… did the documentary of night watch ever came out?
The Night Watch documentary sits on my desktop, unfinished, and taunting me daily. There is some really good stuff in there, but there are massive holes in the story from a cinematic standpoint that are making it really hard to thread together.
It will come out, and when the craziness of the new book launch, and the release of the 20th anniversary of Mystery to Me, I'll have some time to make sense of the footage and share it with everyone.
Janek, I think you still have yet to do your greatest work due to your beyond-human work ethic and orientation toward constant self-improvement.
I’ve got two things to say on this topic.
1. Selection bias - there are so many musicians your not thinking of making their best stuff later
2. Correlation does not equal causation . Even if we did find a majority of artists made their stuff in their 20s . We would have no idea without studying why. Age alone is probably not the factor that made their music better but a whole host of various variables.
I agree that we have to look into why, and that age alone isn't the only cause. Like I talked about in the video, context is everything. Artists Rick referenced in the 60's experienced a totally different set of creative options than a lot of artists in 2024, and there are so many more nuances to the question than just age.
@@janekgwizdala Yup! Couldn’t agree more . Great video love engaging with topics like this beyond the clickbate shallow videos . I appreciate you getting into the nuance.
Plus I’m way into my 30s lmao so no matter what I’m telling myself the best from me is yet to come .
@mastermachetier5594 If "selection bias" is wrong, then your points are "invalid" too because they're based on the effects of "selection bias". What I mean by that is that if your point of "there are so many musicians your not thinking of making their best stuff later" is true, selection bias can ONLY be "wrong", meaning it's dependent on the concept itself.
On the other hand, if there was no "selection bias" (which would be impossible) behind Rick's claims, your points couldn't possibly be true because then he would've already taken into account all the musicians you referred to.
I think Rick Beato's video got misinterpreted, it seems like many only watched the beginning. He goes on to make the the point that many artists peak later. What is true, however, that people rarely make a breakthrough at something late in life if the didn't start early. If someone has an exceptional talent for something, it doesn't just suddenly show up at 50. If they peak at that age, it's because it's the culmination of a process that started in their youth.
He serves the majority of boomers who stopped evolving in 1979 when their beloved rock changed for good. He constantly reminds them that their gen was the best and nobody else can be as good as them. Millennial gen z bad, boomer good. He’s beating that dead horse over n over and for the rest of us who understand that life is continual evolution of living well, moving the body and embracing new things just like you did in your teens, he sounds absolutely ridiculous.
I feel like the materialistic nuances you add to Rick's "argument" (about financial means for uninterrrupted studio time, responsibilities that come with a being further in your life, time management as an independent artist, and just the cost of life going up and up steadily since the 80s) just go to show how poor Rick's reflection is (at least on video). Because those aspects are not side-notes, they are the main factor for why young musicians are more prolific and also were even more back then in the 60s-80s than now - and so were more able to make successful things. I take it as a sign of being out of touch with concrete material conditions of existence to just put it all on "creativity" or whatever pseudo-scientific neuro-psychological musical IQ bullshit.
Leonard Cohen , David Sylvian , Trilok Gurtu, Jon Hassel , Joni Mitchell , Lakshminarayana Shankar , Peter Gabriel , Kate Bush …
There is many artists that grow & develop musically like a fine wine
Ah but really ‘ We are all the same age as the Universe’ 🌏🕊️
For me it’s very genre dependent. I mean Miles got better.
Of course he’s wrong. Pop is a young person’s game. It’s like saying children are better at wetting the bed. Well…
Or how about Peter Gabriel? He was 36 when So came out. Almost too many exceptions for the statement to really be true. Just saying.
Big time. Plenty of 40 something success stories both in music and elsewhere. I seem to remember something about Anthony Bourdain not really breaking through until he was at least 40. Maybe later..?
Tyson didn’t make a fool of himself! Watch out for casual negative judgements of others! He made $15 million dollars that night and walked away unscathed.
Objectively speaking, from the press coverage alone, he didn't walk away unscathed by any stretch of the imagination.
First of all it was an exhibition, not a legit professional fight. No matter what the licenses say, no one was expecting a knockout from either participant, and it wouldn't surprise me if they both had it written into their contracts that they both had to last the entire 8 rounds, and that the outcome/result was pre-determined.
I was talking not only about the vague physical attributes Tyson still has to look professional, but the stature as a media personality that he's maintained over the years. I was comparing him to the majority of professional athletes that retire when they're 30 or younger. Not NBA stars with Lambos and mansions, but the majority of the world's professional athletes like marathon runners and sprint kayakers. The people who you never hear about, but were legitimate professional athletes in their field who have zero options past their retirement.
Tyson is 58, almost died in June and lost a ton of blood and 25lbs in body mass. 30 years ago there's no way he steps into the ring that soon after going through all of that because he was a professional. Now, aside from all the cute ESPN storylines of "I'm happy my family got to see me do this one last time", it was purely a business/entertainment transaction and had nothing to do with sport.
I'm a stone-cold taker
I'm a piggy bank shaker
And I don't waste my time talkin' trash
So if you go to my school
You gotta learn this rule
Don't let your mouth write a check
That your body can't cash
Quincy Jones “the Dude”
Beato is right if there’s scientific evidence. He’s wrong if there’s not. Unless there’s no scientific evidence it’s meaningless 🤷
I think anything Rick Beato says should be ignored. I blocked him years ago after he was rude in the comments towards me. At the time, he was pushing this idea that unless you knew theory, to the 10th degree, that you really weren't to be considered a "musician". I'm paraphrasing of course. That guy is not worth mentioning.
I wouldn’t worry about it if I were you. I really like Beato’s channel but that take was a masterclass in survivorship bias. There are a small group of people who will break boundaries in their 20s while everyone else either needs until their 30s and 40s or is lost to the sands of time.
Then you have the issue of people who peaked in their 20s tangling with illicit substances (horrible for the mind).
I dig what he had to say. I agree with a lot of it, and I think it's more of an unfinished conversation than it is wrong in any way. There are so many layers, and I'm thankful for the initial premise getting me to really think about my own process.
Whether we agree with others or not, I always find there's value to be found in the thought process that follows.
@ There’s also a luck factor people forget about. Your parents and early childhood play a big part in all of this and that’s completely out of our control. How many Mozart’s never were because their parents didn’t care that much about music? The world may never know.
And sometimes you just have to be in the right place at the right time. If you were a jazzer in the 60s and couldn’t live in New York or L.A., you were pretty much out of luck.
Beato made a follow up video saying that most people haven't watched the whole video. The second half of the video talks about how creativity works when you are older. Classical and Jazz artists are not the same as pop artists, in jazz you are just getting into your stride at 30. In Pop or a lot of rock you are washed up. Go back and watch the whole video before you panic.
I did watch the whole video, that's why I also referenced the exceptions Rick talked about. Miles Davis and John Coltrane being two of them in my world of jazz for instance.
I'm sure a lot of people didn't watch the whole thing and commented before they should. I actually watched it three or four times just to make sure I had fully understood the points he was making.
Again, I think it's a much more nuanced topic than could be explained in a 10 minute video.
Well… how much is JG a giging musician… and how much is JG a UA-camr nowadays ?! Huh ?
Compared to previous years (where I uploaded every day for 314 days straight for instance in 2016/17) I think I'm far more of a gigging musician than I am a UA-camr. And that's saying something as I basically say no to 90% of the live dates/session I get called for now because I'm a husband and dad to a 3 year old, and don't want to turn around one day and think "who is this stranger living in our house?".
Not sure what your question was aimed at. In fact it made little sense at all. But that's my answer none the less.
I'm sure everyone noticed that Rick has changed the title of his video to "Why Musical IQ Soars After 30". That sneaky geezer. And as it happens, he talks about crystallized intelligence in the video and provides several examples of musicians creating great works in later life. Most people commenting on that video appear to stamp their foot and insist that they still can create great music in middle age. Well, Rick is in violent agreement.
I didn't know there was a title change, and I have no idea what it was before its current one... let me know if you know.
And again, I agree with a lot of what was being said about one's musical IQ going up with age. You can't deny that experience can be a great addition to one's musical output, hopefully enriching the story we have to tell as musicians and artists.
@@janekgwizdala I think the original title was "Creativity starts to fade at age 30".
Yes, Yes he is. Rick Beato is factually and demonstrably wrong about a lot of things, all the time.
Rick has some truly delusional think pieces
Rick Beato is wrong about a great number of things, and has an attitude that is overwhelmingly Boomer-ish, which is why I can't stand listening to him. But, if you are going to talk about commercial success being the measure of "best" output in a musician's career, then the factors involved are a lot more involved than the artist's music development, and have everything to do with the marketing preferences of the industry that affected (and really, let's be honest--effected) the purchasing preferences of the audience. As Janek notes here, the era has to be considered. Like a lot of Boomers, Beato's scales are heavily weighted by the fact that the rock artists of the 1960s didn't have anyone competing with them for the idea of what was "best" in rock music, because that generation originated what came to be regarded as the definition of the genre, and the rest of us since keep getting compared to them, even when that comparison isn't apt.
But, the labels no longer control what's popular or what's going to sell. They don't even control the distribution channels, anymore, much less the promotional channels. Does anyone even listen to FM radio, anymore? These roles have now fallen to tech companies, and professional quality recording technology is now available for a minuscule fraction of what it cost in the 1960s, 70s, and 80s. Even in the MI sector, the advent of Chinese high tech manufacturing means that we can get gear of outstanding quality (like microphones) for a fraction of what their equivalents cost 30-40 years ago. Times have dramatically changed, and standards have changed with them, but the Boomers are still using their vintage yardsticks.
Well, I must say that if Rick Beato said what he said - he just quoted Albert Einstein... so not very original, and stupid. Sorry Rick. Einstein quote was : "A person who has not made his great contribution to science before the age of 30 will never do so". Even in physics - his own playground - there were dozens of examples after Einstein era proving how wrong he was. So Janek, you should not even had to spend time on this video trying to prove such a super stupid statement is wrong. Everything J.S. Bach wrote between the ages of 30-65 was shit ? Everything Pablo Picasso painted between the ages of 30-90 was shit ? C'mon...
You can tell from these comments who didn't watch the whole video. RB had to make a video explaining, "Yeah, those 'what about X person' comments y'all made? I addressed that and made the point you're trying to make. You didn't watch long enough."
I watched, and Rick is wrong. He made a bunch of assumptions that weren't based on ANY kind of actual science. It was just a bunch of biased observations. That's not how you do things.
@@ZiddersRooFurry "biased observations" dude, observations are inherently biased. That's what "observational bias" means. I have bad news for you, though-- we're all allowed to make observations and filter them through our own experiences and then talk about our conclusions.
That's not how you do "things"? WHAT THINGS?
John Lennon’s last album was his best
So yeah Rick B is wrong on this