If you look at his comments though, it's entirely in agreement. My dad told me to watch it because it's an example of why music sucks now. I love a lot of Beato's work but this video and a lot of his similar ones rub me the wrong way and do influence the way some people think. It feels like pandering
I think this highlights why "AI music" sucks too. There's no actual artist involved so it can't have soul no matter how competent you can get it to sound. It's just flat noise with no meaning or intention.
@@WobblyBits_X Yep, exactly right. Everything AI spits out is just noise, whether it's music, images, text or videos. And I don't mean the artistic kind of noise.
@@WobblyBits_X Yeah, it's why I'm not worried about AI destroying art. At worst it will make it harder to make money from art which does suck in a capitalist society. But good human made art will exist as long as humans exist.
19:28 the thing that annoyed me in Rick’s original video is him using Led Zeppelin as some sort of gold standard, however Led Zeppelin barely touched the Billboard charts or any pop singles charts for that matter. It’s apples and oranges.
@@soarel325 precisely! If you look at the modern ALBUM charts it’s a very different story! Rick compares an old ALBUM band like Led Zeppelin with modern SINGLES CHARTS artists. It's an unfair comparison
LZ didn’t release singles. They released albums. Those recordings were worked on by each member to make the songs and the album as perfect as they can be while also being palatable to an audience who bought more singles than albums. It’s not just apples and oranges. It’s apples and orange cake. I work in a studio around the same level as Beato’s and he’s just like my bosses who started in the 70s and 80s, except they don’t hate all recording techniques invented after 1993.
@@jeffbrown-hill7739 Look deeper into that. That also implies the present might not be that good if the good ol days weren't that good. I think people are just too defence and act like civilization only goes one way, Progress. Nah, we had to take a few steps back a few times before and this one of those instances.
I'm an older musician who started playing in the 70s. I have to agree there was a whole truckload of crap music then. Most of the stuff revered now wasn't heard much on the radio or TV. I had a studio in the 80s and spent way too long trying to get the sounds I wanted. Now it takes no time at all and it is truly liberating.
But you learned how to play music without a machine. There is a difference. I think that's all he's trying to say. Whether he's using the correct terminology or not is, I don't know. But I think he's saying that this is making lazy musicians that don't really have to practice. all that hard work he put in is what makes you the musician you are now. The warning is proving this every day. They're blowing every other band out of the water right now. And they learned organically.
@@DannyLeeOGT Learning is always an organic process. And I would not learn to play piano or violin just to prove anything to you while selling well received electronic music records. It is just clear to me from what corner of age you are coming from. You are the cool teenager who agrees with his grandfather because you both know your parents suck. Ain't that something?
@@niemand7811 No need to attack another person this way (ad hominem) just because you disagree with him. DannyLeeOGT was not being personal with his reply to the OP but his comment must have hit a nerve and triggered you.
@@DannyLeeOGT As a young person interested in composition (I also play the piano), I'm all for using machines to create music. There's so much you can do with it. If small musicians want to hear what their composition would sound like played by a real orchestra, they can thanks to a variety of VSTs available on the Internet, and that's a very good thing! Imagine wanting the same thing a few decades ago... Even teenagers like me can, if they want, get hold of a DAW and compose on it. I would also add that knowing how to play an instrument and composing are two different things, you can do one thing without necessarily doing the other. Do you really think that Beethoven knew how to play all the instruments that make up an orchestra? For me, as long as the real instruments aren't neglected in general, everything's OK!
@@wiggy009 You're still judging music from popularity; the revolutionary music that's being dropped these days doesn't have to be popular or commercially successful to be important for music history.
@@wiggy009 The 70s was 50 years ago, so it's easy to see which songs have and haven't been influential. We can't really make that kind of judgement about music now until the 2070s.
With Beato's large platform, he could be using it to push more independent artists(which he has before), but it seems like he keeps leaning into "new music bad", which makes a lot of clicks for the kind of audience that's too lazy to look for new music.
Grifting is a kind of easy, fairly low effort way to rake in the cash. Now I’m not saying that’s all Rick does, a lot of his content is absolutely fantastic. Dude has one of the best music channels on the Internet. All I’m saying is he knows his audience 💵💰🤑💸 Give the masses a little red meat and they’ll give you enough bread to buy your summer home 💀💀
Man complaining about why music keeps "getting worse" while simultaneously never using his platform responsibly to bring exposure to multitude of newer or youth artists and groups out there could never get more ironically out of touch than that. I mean, gosh! There have been waves of younger or youth artists and groups out there such as Caroline Polachek, Ginger Roots, Squid, Hakushi Hasegawa, underscores, Hiatus Kaiyote, Martha Skye Murphy, Arooj Aftab, Jockstrap, Little Simz, Amaarae, Julia Holter etc, who have been pushing new spin on creativity in such interesting ways since the past few years alone. Yet, I've never seen him giving a single shout out to one of those names in separate videos other than his regular Billboard reaction stuff..
Also, this is going to be my hot take as a passive subscriber of him: Him "christening" Willow Smith and her latest record as an example of his token representation on what constitutes as the ideal "good music" is so disingenuously misleading. Like, you can't be more obvious at influencing people with a narrative there. Especially when she herself has been making music partly as a coping mechanism and **in spite of** the conservative influences around her.
Pathetic. You have no real taste of your own, have you? I knew a person once who, when asked what their favourite music was, said: "The radio". No knowledge of anything. Just listening to whatever is playing at the moment. The crap that's been selected for you...
oh for sure, its the only way to find music, you wouldn't possibly use the platforms that music is hosted on, and look up specific artists' names, or specific genres, or specific time periods and instruments, rick is a true intellectual and music lover just like us you see
Nah. Meet the Beatos would talk about how he trained his child to have microtonal perfect pitch and that's how he gained success on UA-cam, despite his lengthy rock production career.
The fact that Beato measures people's interest in music based on whether they are literally googling "music" is kind of indicative of how out of touch he really is.
Exactly, like how could you make that argument.most people are looking that stuff up on the social media that he claims us zoomers so are interested in. And then he does the same shit with movies and video games.
it’s crazy that he said “interest in social media is rising so no one wants to make music anymore” well yeah because the term “social media” didn’t widely exist in 2004??
I think people are less inclined to google a term like music. Why would you ever do that? I think we could use some kind of adjacent term related to music, that people would actually google. Also, I think during the early days, people would just look up "music" to find some music related thing they might be interested in. Nowadays though, we only do so to find out what music is. The only reason I'd google it is if I were a middle school student doing research for a cheesy essay. I guess "social media" is a hotter topic.
It's like the most played out piece of "data" for any "you fell off" argument at this point. I'm surprised he didn't go on to say that Music has 0 viewers on Twitch and 0 active players on Steam
Rick Beato if he was a chef "Food was better before the oven, now everything is so easy. You used to have to watch carefully over a fire to make sure the food cooks just right and now we have timers?"
@@BarrackObamna Folks, let me tell you something - this Obama guy, he really doesn't know what he's talking about when it comes to cooking. I mean, open fire cooking? What is he, some kind of caveman? No, no, no, we have the best ovens, the greatest ovens, the likes of which the world has never seen before. Believe me, I know more about cooking than anyone. Just ask my beautiful wife, Melania - she'll tell you, I'm the best chef, the best cook you've ever seen. So, Barack, let me tell you something - you don't know what you're talking about when it comes to cooking. Leave it to the professionals, leave it to the experts. Because when it comes to making America's cuisine great again, there's only one person for the job - and that's Donald J. Trump. Believe me.
@@BarrackObamnano the point is he's making an analogy, and a good one. And I'm sure you rush out to the open fire after a hard day at the office 5 days a week.
@@gummypoppa clearly I was commenting on the second half of OP’s comment. Back then good music was ubiquitous. You didn’t have to dig. Maybe you should now days. But if one needs to dig to find good music then the present bears no resemblance to the past.
@@GoemonLovesFujiko in 50 years time, only the good music of today will be remembered, and will seem ubiquitous, - the awful bubblegum music of the 70s isnt remembered is it?
“I've come up with a set of rules that describe our reactions to technologies: 1. Anything that is in the world when you’re born is normal and ordinary and is just a natural part of the way the world works. 2. Anything that's invented between when you’re fifteen and thirty-five is new and exciting and revolutionary and you can probably get a career in it. 3. Anything invented after you're thirty-five is against the natural order of things.” - Douglas Adams
I mean, the consequences of generative AI are starting to get worrisome for the state of culture and creativity, but hey, maybe I feel that way because I’m just about to turn 35.
Rick is an alright dude not too pessimistic most of the time. Going into his comment section is pretty much like getting struck by the lightning of 5000 boomers😭😭
Correct. It is annoying how people over a certain age only seem to care about bands who got signed.. And not just signed but signed in the heyday of physical albums
@@AFellowCyberman The group of stubborn annoying white males aged 55-65 who religiously believe Van Halen and Rush were the pinnacle of human achievement. I know that's an awful stereotype but as someone who is getting close to that age himself, I get a pass. Annoys the piss out of me
“I find it so amazing when people tell me that electronic music has no soul. You can't blame the computer. If there's no soul in the music, it's because nobody put it there.” -Björk
Bjork gettin a lot of quotes. Music IS the worst it's been. If u lived through the 90s youd know. All they go on about on the news is taylor swift. That's it... Just shows u were we are at.
@@armondtanz jUsT sHoWs YoU wHeRe We aRe aT lmfao. Bro watches the news for his daily dose of music. "Music is the worst it's been" according to whom? CEO of music or the self proclaimed UA-cam critics with no real job lmfao.
@@armondtanz I can't imagine basing my opinion on the state of music off of watching THE NEWS of all things. Broaden your perception a bit and you'll realize music is NOT at the worst it's been.
@@Jasperr9999 it is . This comment section is 100% proof. And yes the news is an indicator of grade A musicians. There are non because no one is mentioning them in the comments. That alone speaks a 1000s words. Kids addicted to social media has killed the pool of talent. Go take a look at ispeed when he goes out. They the new rock n rollers.
Well put, Anthony. I think a major factor that Rick didn't mention is the total corporatisation of the music inudstry. *Popular* artists used to be allowed the time and space to create truly interesting and innovative music which was then supported by radio and television shows that huge swathes of the population listened to and watched (because there was nothing else!) Whereas these days record labels are so beholden to algorithms, TikTok Views, and the almighty dollar that artists aren't given nearly as much creative freedom to take risks and try new things. We keep hearing from artists from all ends of the success-spectrum that they are struggling to fund their tours, studio time, and equipment because they're simply not paid enough. This is the fault of gigantic coporations like Spotify, Ticketmaster, and the big three labels, that focus purely on constant growth and not CREATIVE growth. That must be hugely demotivating for artists. But regardless of all of that... there's still so much incredible music coming out if Rick was willing to look past the Spotify/Billboard Top 10! Blaming the declining interest in music on the attention span of artists and their listeners is minimising the most glaring problem facing music today: The coporate greed & creative hollowing-out of the music industry.
One of Rick's best videos that I thought was just gonna be another old man yells at cloud video is a video where he goes in on the 1996 Telecommunications act (Fuck the 1996 telecommunications act all my homies hate the 1996 telecommunications act) and how it destroyed most local radio in the US. It was like "wow a tangible reason for why popular music may not be as high quality as it used to be", never thought I'd see the day.
Corporate greed was a big thing when popular music was better as well. Think 50s-70s. It's nothing new. What changed is labels had to come up with new ways to make money once album sales declined in the 2000s. SoundCloud rap is what we got.
People in the 70s be like "music is dying, I haven't heard a doo wop song in 20 years, all these kids only care about their noisy guitars, where is the singing?"
Like, progressive rock was the big viral thing at the time and so many critics were **actually** disparaging them to death despite the undeniable importance they eventually contributed for the music industry by opening up a brand new, almost alien creative possibility like nothing else before. Among the (in)famous ones was none other than the biggest Beatles' connoisseur in history and a former critic of Anthony Fantano himself, Robert Christgau.
@@chiefchimp2789 Led Zeppelin was exactly a prime example of musical group the kind of critic mentioned by Op would've despised very dearly. I mean, c'mon now 😂
@@GuyWhoLikesTheSnarkies1435 I'm not entirely sure about that as Zep would have been a band that was around for a decade or so by that point with multiple charting singles. I see what you're saying but I don't think Beato is as closed-minded as this narrative is (although I do agree that his recent videos were a bit jarring and came off as unhinged rants that mostly gave me a laugh).
The ironic thing about the technology argument Rick Beato is making here is that when he plugs “music” and “hip hop” into google trends, he’s falling victim to his own critique, ie. that technology makes you lazy, in that he’s using technology to prove his point in the laziest way possible
It illustrates the differing mindsets of using technology for convenience and using it to experiment and explore. Beato obviously falls into the first camp and just assumes that everyone is there, when really it shows that age seems to have dulled his curiosity and will to explore.
@@joserodall7321he’s not correct at all. It’s just that nobody uses Google to find music these days. We have so many other avenues that we didn’t have AT ALL in 2005.
Phil Collins, one of only three people to sell over 100 million records both as a member of a band, and a solo artist, only exploded as a songwriter once he started using a drum machine. He'd noddle on it until he got a beat he liked, and he'd let it run while he sang and played piano over it. Tons of drum machines in Collins' hits.
@@mcolville He was also a very technically accomplished drummer himself - you only need to hear his work with Genesis and Brand X to see that he had no trouble playing the drums himself!
There’s a difference between rules and opinions though. What’s the difference between Fantanos reviews and what Rick is saying. Wouldn’t that mean fantano is also making rules when he reviews an album
@@Adam-bq6ic : Frank Sinatra's connections to organized crime are well known -- Sam Giancana, Charles Fischetti, Angelo Bruno, Vito Giacalone, etc. etc. -- and it is the *Italian-American* mafia specifically that he had connections to.
Beato comes home to his wife, dismayed, and says “honey, I went into the local community centre today and looked at the notice board. Not a single flyer made by someone looking for fellow musicians to start a band. Rock music is truly dead.”
I hate how he’ll look at a trap song and be like “aw these fuckin stock trap beats suck, music is just shit these days who listens to it?” And just completely ignores the complex sampling, and the fact that it’s on the top charts so obviously somebody listens to it.
lol someone said this under one of his videos and it's way too on point "someone tell Rick to stop filming videos on his phone, go out and buy an old camera with some 35mm film and go film and edit his videos like they did in the good old days, the new technology is making music content creators lazy smh"
The point of the "new technology" is that people are skipping music theory and hard work, as well as creativity. Instead, they "sample" old music and loop everything with digital copies, throw in a few new words and claim a hit. If you want to say that is creative, go ahead, but it's not original.
It’s the lack of creativity that’s the issue, not technology advancing. Music is much ‘simpler’ now than ever before despite all of the technological advances. That’s because people are using tech to do the work for them instead of as a tool. No craftsmanship.
@@kd2mill what a tired, boring boomer take. The Beatles infamously didn't know music theory. most successful bands and artists don't know anything other than basic theory, they just make music that sounds good. also on sampling, half the songs in the charts right now are not based around samples. go listen to J Dilla or Madlib and try to pretend sampling isn't impressive. also, Prince programmed drum machines, and he absolutely had more talent than any of your favorites.
He didn't say old tech is better or that new tech is bad, moreso that the new tech is allowing music to get worse. This is a misrepresentation of his point.
@@chiarosuburekeni9325I wouldnt say everyone dose this, there are deffinqtly some very open minded people who are resistent to this way of thinking but I will agree that it is very easy to think like this.
Sure not "everyone" does this, but way too many people do! What's really fucking frustrating is how each generation proclaims that "They won't do this when they get older", because they were rightly annoyed when older generations did it to them, end up turning around and doing it to the newer generations once they hit their mid 30s/early 40s. It's a result of becoming more conservative as you age, as well as getting further and further away from one's youth that it's like people forget what it was like, along with falling into the same trap of romanticizing the past that the older generations do, and just not being interested in remembering what it was really like, and just going off the vibes of nostalgia and how it makes you feel good, and basing your entire perspective off that.
Really do not think he is shitting on the new music generation. His own presentation is pretty friendly and not hostile, just sharing an opinion with his own analysis. if you disagree, that's cool. However, I think there's some truth and value in his story of being a music fan early on before streaming services. I thought there's a real point being made there that I can understand
But you do realize Deep Purple's "Pictures of Home", or Emerson Lake and Palmers "Tarkus", or Led Zeppelins, "In the Light", or Iron Maiden's "Rime of the Ancient Mariner", "Alexander the Great", "Hallowed be Thy Name" etc are all miles and miles and miles better thought out, executed, and recorded than anything produced today?
@@jacksondolly3248 oh yeah that's right I forgot. We bow down to your generation's objective superiority!! Might as well just stop making new music, amirite?
The immediate cut to SOPHIE absolutely obliterating a synth/beat on her computer after rick's spiel about the dependence on technology being bad for innovation literally KILLED ME omg
I almost can’t take people’s criticisms on “modern music” seriously anymore if they haven’t listened to SOPHIE or formed an opinion on PC Music… which is probably a bit pretentious and wrong of me, but it’s become so ingrained in my musical “worldview” that I really can’t help it.
@@drummerAVA Not even PC Music, just ask for their opinion on Björk. Watch them try to box her capability/proficiency in music by which song they bring up.
@@Randy950 50% of ALL vinyl records sold are not even opened and bought by those who don’t even own a turntable. Not to mention “collectible” “variants” & virgin vinyl vs recycled then preach about climate change & pollution 🤣
rick beato's entire video formula is basically like if a food critic walked into a mcdonalds, ordered the entire dollar menu, and then made a video complaining about the disappearance of haute cuisine
This is a good analogy. There's nothing wrong with having something in McDonald's, it's just not the type of food that a fancy restaurant would make. It also reaches way more people...
But his entire point is literally that anyone now CAN make haute cuisine and get famous for it, without going to culinary school and going up the ladder. Almost all of the pop stars now, especially in Hip Hop, have almost zero actual musical knowledge, like which chords go with each other, how to build a song etc. Do you know how many songs nowadays are just: intro, verse, chorus, verse chorus, bridge, chorus, chorus, chorus and fade out? they're like barely 2-3 minutes long because they don't have the talent to carry a 6 minute song, and the fans also don't have the attention span to follow it, because they don't actually LISTEN to it. They'll hear the lyrics and post them on a motivational post on IG, but couldn't give a rats ass about the music behind it. Like Herbie Hancock's "Headhunters" literally only has 4 songs on the ENTIRE album, and those 4 songs possess more ideas and concepts and talent than almost every modern pop artist's entire discography combined. It's not "old man yells at cloud" to say that modern technology has enabled the entire populace with a laptop and fruity-loops to be able to "make music" and start a career out of it. That's why people make fun of soundcloud rappers and indie folk singers; they oversaturate an already completely oversaturated market and allow everyone to "have a chance". We do need to start gatekeeping music making more and only letting actual musicians become famous. It's sad how some of the best actual musicians are in non main-stream spaces and will probably never get heard because they also play with other actual musicians and it becomes a vicious cycle. Look at the Zildjian Live series here on youtube and pick any video, and just pick out a single musician, not necessarily the drummer, and go down a rabbit hole of what groups and bands they're a part of. Every single member of Snarky Puppy and the Ghost-Note band has more musical talent individually than the entire modern music industry combined......and it's not even close. But they won't ever see the main-stream because the VAST majority of people don't actually even like music, they like the artist's "brand" and only follow them because they're famous.
@@jacksondolly3248 dude you live in a very secluded bubble, and you preconceived notions about people not caring for musicality are so pretentious it’s actually cartoony, I suggest getting some bitches
i’m only at 5:48 in the video but your presentation of rick’s points from the video strike me as intentionally and artificially weak to make your own position look better. first, his point about sinatra (and he said the 40’s when sinatra was with dorsey, not 50’s) was that there was no chance to “punch in”. there was an orchestra behind him, a ton of different ingredients had to be put in order, dozens of people had to simultaneously perform at near perfection, and there were no easy do-overs if one person on one instrument messed up one note. and his point about the quantizing wasn’t that drum machines are categorically bad but that their increased use over actual drummers incentivized lazier music production that led to records which had less intentionality behind them. his is a subtle argument of incentives and general patterns. your counter example with prince holds a lot less water than you think it does-it does not at all follow from ricks argument that purple rain sucks because it includes drum machines. he isn’t making an argument of necessity. he’s observing historical trends in production and providing causal explanations for why popular music has homogenized as much as it has. if any two drummers play the same line, without quantization, they sound different. after quantizing, they sounds the same. you’re refuting (weak) points rick never made.
Rick misses the point of today's landscape entirely. Music is not easier to make, Music Making is just more accessible. Along with the Internet being so widespread, we're now able to listen to a million new musical ideas, both good and bad. I find it odd a music fan like him would go to such lengths to try and gatekeep what could become the new wave of tomorrow just because some teenagers dump their tepid beats on soundcloud.
It's like the "would we be better off without technology" debate except applied to music, something much more low-stakes. People are always going to be able to make low-quality music and high-quality music, more tools are available now to do both more effectively.
Exactly, at one point he was describing how difficult it used to be to make music and how that somehow made the music better but all I could hear was that access to money and industry connections used to be essential to being successful in music and now it's not. His arguments are so unbalanced and unnuanced that he doesn't even mention any counterpoints to his own arguments or any potential benefits of the things he doesn't like, he just says they're bad. Boomers gonna boomer
Music is absolutely easier to make than ever, I say that as a musician. It’s still hard to make great music, but most music listeners don’t care about the actual quality of it. That being said it’s still hard to make music and good that more people are able to now
He didn’t even use Google Trends right. When he looked up genres of music he looked them up under “search term” instead of “music genre”. He says search term country music is down 50% in America but if you look up the genre its down 20%
I guess most average Rick's fans are just going to gloss over your reply here and look for the convenience to drop the same kind of "in defense of" refutation elsewhere lol 🤭
I've heard anecdotes (no concrete proof, sorry) that certain Baroque composers were disgusted by the adoption of the Piano over the Harpsichord, because pianos could sustain notes and chords rather than needing to play trills and arpeggios, and this newfangled technology was just making composers lazy.
Couldn't this be explained with he needs to use his feet for those sustained chords? This one can be demonstrated pretty easily I think. Outside of the timbre of a harpsi. A piano does the same, but with added functions. No one complained when the whammy bar became a guitar thing because it still sounds good when used Properly.
To be fair, though, I have several friends whose favorite period is the Baroque, whereas I've never met anyone who favors the Galant, which came right after. So in this particular case, maybe the curmudgeons had a point.
@@TallicaMan1986 I dunno. It's an anecdote music teachers tell their students, and for all I know they made it up. The point is that musicians have been whining about innovation "cheapening the craft" for actual centuries.
Here is the thing, Queen, my favorite band, used technology to it's fullest of it's time. do I think they wouldn't be using the tools of today if that had them making "Night at the Opera" or "Jazz" YES! they would have used the tech and STILL went and did as much as they could with it. Tech doesn't limit creativity to creative people. It helps and pushes them to do EVEN more... good lord
Ironically, Rick did an interview with Seal where Seal explains that "Kiss from a Rose" was inspired by reading the Tascam 244 owners manual. Damn you technology!!!
Seal also says, in the same interview, that he didn't know how to play an instrument when he wrote that song. Genius just kinda finds a way within it's own context.
@@AvenEngineer I don't entirely believe that, I'm sure there was a lot of instinct going on though and people don't use that enough these days, sometimes it's better to feel than think
@@NickSBailey I may not have expressed my point clearly, because I completely agree with you. It's often better to feel than think. I'm not a musician, but I have read the Tascam 244 manual. It didn't inspire me to create a masterpiece. Musical genius existed inside Seal's head, that even he was unaware of in the moment. The tools at his disposal are just a conduit through which his genius expressed itself. This song specifically is the expression of an artist experimenting with new technology, not technical mastery of that technology. I find new artists online that blow my mind virtually everyday. They're making completely new sounds with new gear. In my view, there has never been more technical mastery of traditional musical instruments. The kids graduating from Berkley, Juilliard, or 100 other art programs around the world, by the thousands, are unbelievably good.
rick is just mad he’ll never know how to sample a pen click over a quantized beat that is sampled from the sounds of obama coughing and some weird noise spongebob made in one of the earlier seasons
I think Rick is right on this one. You see, back in my day, I had to save up twenty sheep, drive them to market to sell, and pay a luthier to make my gittern. THEN, I had to hire a carriage to travel four towns over to learn THREE CHORDS from a minstrel. My first book of tabs cost me a dozen shillings. I'm lucky to make that in a season! Kids these days have it too easy. By the way, if you know any dulcimer players, my band is looking for one. We play our first show at Count Edmond's court for the Countess's fifteenth birthday.
I don’t think my generation have it easy especially what is happening today because of the government after the pandemic. Out of respect, just because you didn’t have it “easy” doesn’t mean everyone should have the same experience you had. The main issue is we don’t have opportunities because no one even guided our generation the right way.
Rick Beato did make a very good point here but didn't connect it right. I think, because it's so easy to listen to music, people do so without actually properly getting into it. Guess what they listen to? Bland pop. (back in the day, these people would not buy records or actively make radio requests; they wouldn't show up) Also, because it's so easy to listen to bland pop, people properly into music also run across it, when in the past, who could imagine wasting _money_ on such a thing? The Least Common Denominator Music appears more popular nowadays because of how people consume music these days. I genuinely think good music acts are less likely to become among the most world renowned these days. But that's not a big deal because it's not real popularity; it's just apparent. TikTokification, is, IMO a real thing, however. It discourages emotional depth. How can you, if you only have 15 seconds?
@@shambhav9534this is just not true, ask any person older than 35 and you’ll se how most of them like regular pop or the traditional stuff people like on your country, just from their time, and even some current day pop, and it’s not like tik tok is the way people listen to music, tv shows, ads and movies also aren’t good ways to listen to music (you can discover music on all of these tho)
The main thing is impassioned creativity. Someone very engaged in creating the perfect electronic drum sound, the right reverb, equalization, condensation, etc, is just as engaged in the creative process as a drummer looking to find the perfect tone and feel out of their set. Real creativity shines through any medium.
what's funny about this comment is that Steely Dan did exactly this. they created the perfect drum machine and used in on the gaucho album. i'm sure rick probably rubs one out over steely dan's creative process...
You understand that reverb, equalization, and condensation (lol) is applied to acoustic drum sets as well right? Like you still have to engineer and mix acoustic drums after you're done recording them? The difference between the two is that a drummer needs to actually be able to play his set, which takes years and years of practice to do. And yes while creativity shines through any medium, creativity often comes from engaging deeply with that medium. A drummer who has dedicated his life to the proficiency of his instrument is going to be much better equipped to make creative choices in music than someone who has only experimented in a daw. Be careful with the romantic view of creativity being this magical trait that is determined at birth. Creativity is something you develop by engaging and experimenting with creative material.
Rick's judgement that today's music sucks based on Spotify top 10 is like a guy taking a glass of water from the ocean, seeing there's no fish in the glass and concluding that therefore there are no fish in the ocean
No. Rick gets a glass of water from the ocean handed to him. He takes a nip and bases his opinion of the whole ocean on that one nip. But he's not alone in that, a lot of people do. While most people don't even take a nip but just look at the glass.
This is a dumb comment. Spotify top 10 tells you what most average people like... It's called extrapolation lmao. If 99% of music is bad, and I have to go searching for the 1% that is good, unique, and actually quality. Then I can confidently say "most modern music is bad", is that wrong?
@@OArchivesX no, not logic. These kids are too emotional they can't handle it. The majority of these kids commenting are born after the 2000s. Literally born to hear the music of today with very little reference and live reference of the music that came before it. The ocean wasn't a polluted hell hole back then.
Negative news tends to get more clicks. Just look at TV news shows. There's so much more positivity happening in the musical world and beyond that I'd rather focus on.
4:20 Didn't Frank Sinatra said himself that his best instrument is not his voice but his microphones? Like he can sing but he also utilized the hell out of that piece of technology.
I went to Rome, Italy specifically, and did some Sinatra karokee very badly with some cool dude. The next day this guy asks if I wanna come on a food and wine tour. Probably the best tour I have ever had the pleasure of attending in my life. I got to go to some invite only hole in the wall joint, that Sinatra used to eat at, but like basically chill at too. The instrument therefore is actually the friends we made along the way.
@@cheesecakelasagna your taking that too literally. Frank never owned his personal microphone. He said he relied on it because he didn’t want to belt to the back of the room 100% of the time and a microphone makes it so that you don’t have to belt and everyone can still hear you.
My impression of Mr. Sinatra's personality doesn't reconcile with the statement that it was his microphones that made his records good. He may have complimented his engineer (who actually owned the U47 Sinatra always used), but Mr. Sinatra had no confidence issues with his voice.
No he is just correct. Gen Z is the first generation not to listen to their own music. They are also the first generation whose suicide rates are rising at an worrying level as Jonathan Haidt pointed out. The data about suicide attempts doesn't lie. You can't fake an attempted suicide. Just like the numbers don't lie about what the newer generation considers good music. There is a reason why bands like Queen are still huge. The argument that older generations always have complained about the newer one doesn't hold water here when it is very same generation today that is rejecting modern music. Edit: Using a mic just enhances what is already there. It does not produce something like super human accuracy like Beat detective or Autotune. That is just nonsense.
Bro said "technology stifles innovation" as if pretty much every major genre of music from the past century isn't the directresult of technological innovations.
@@The16thninjaAutotune? DAWs? Easier access to music making, equipment getting cheaper and cheaper to the point an entire studio is just a few hundred dollars
@@s.s9221 Autotune and DAWs have been around for over 25 years at this point. The first iPhone came out in less than 25 years than when the CD player was released for reference.
@@The16thninja Autotune and DAWs have evolved exponentially in the last 25 years, to the point that it's way easier to record music at home nowadays, which is why we got Billie Eilish. Social media is an innovation that makes it easier than back in the day for artists to find new fans which, in turn, make it easier to make more music. The equipment keeps getting better, however, that's slower than it used to be. Great music is still being made because of technology.
@@virajdeshpande3701 they really haven't evolved that much at all actually, they've just gotten a bit more intuitive and easy to use. Social media is not a musical innovation.
Damn. I didn’t know that constantly reorganizing my 20 different playlists multiple times per year, adding and deleting new songs, meant that I don’t actually care about music. Thanks for opening my eyes, Rick! 😂 I even have two playlists (essentially, two tests) that every song has to pass through and be listened to multiple times before it gets added to a “permanent” playlist. This old man is yelling at clouds for sure. Also, Rick citing “music” in Google’s search popularity is absolutely hilarious.
Rick Beato is frequently wrong. He's said in multiple videos that he stopped doing research into his own field of study because he just thinks music isn't as good anymore.
@@blakeunderwood1075 also the music he likes is somewhat dated, there is nothing wrong with liking 80s-00s rock, but its been a minimum of 25 years
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It's not. There are all kinds of studies on lyrics, chord and rhythm changes, melodies and counter melodies, etc. Music today is way dumbed down. Where are the anthems and ear worms that will stand the test of time?
Two strongest points in this video for me: 1. It is absolutely true that back in the worshiped "classic rock" era there was mountains of trash and we only remember the few really good records now. I'm 69. I was there. When I was 13/14 around '67/'68 there were four songs in total that blew my mind compared to anything else. I can see For Miles by the Who, Hey Jude by The Beatles, Jumping Jack Flash and Honky Tonk Women by The Stones. Just four songs out of thousands that for me were head and shoulders above everything else I heard back then. Those were the first four records I bought with my pocket money. 2. Technology constraining creativity and innovation? 100% bull crap. How exactly did the arrival of new tech in the form of the Les Paul, the strat and the Marshall head kill innovation and creativity in the 1960's? Rick Beato should be forced to watch 200 episodes of Top of the Pops from 1968 to 1972 back to back before commenting further IMHO. That should disabuse him of some of his illusions.
the main thing I hate about Beato is the fact that instead of this endless whining he could spend those 30 minutes showcasing modern artists who actually possess and present those qualities that he is so desperately seeking for. Imagine 5 obscure independent bands with really good music could have got exposure of 500k views. Funny thing is, people would still watch him, maybe even more.
have you watched ANY of his videos? The dude consistently praises top 40 music that he finds impressive even in the modern music sucks videos. you're just bandwagon hating on a guy and get your opinions from fantano. you can hand your brain over here since fantano does all your thinking for you
@@masterowl123 I watched fantano from the ages of 17-22 and then I realized he has no idea what he's talking about and a lot of the music that he praises sucks. I continued to watch for a few more years sporadically and then he started letting artists personal issues and political takes cloud his MUSIC reviews and I dropped him entirely. In other words, you should grow up.
@slobodancovek8047 You realized a lot of music that he praises sucks? You might just not agree with him man, it doesn't make him a bad reviewer necessarily just because of that. Like he has a lot of takes that I just flat out disagree with, but I do think he does an ok job of describing why he has that opinion, which is way more important to me than whether he really likes an album. Also I get that it can be annoying to let an artists views affect his opinion but a lot of the times that is shown through the music so I can get it. (Although sometimes it doesn't and that's where it gets annoying) I don't know Beato but one bad take isn't enough to make me think his opinions are worthless, especially because he does seem like a nice dude. It's just that imo this take is a super boomer thought process towards music in general.
”All this machinery making modern music Can still be open-hearted Not so coldly charted, it's really just a question of your honesty”. -The Spirit of Radio
Fun fact: In 1966 The Beatles single Paperback Writer was first knocked down to nr.2 by Frankies Strangers In the Night, and then a second time be Hanky Panky by Tommy James and the Shondells. Sinatra sounding like a song from the 40's and the Shondells like a cheap 50's rock'n'roll song.
I love the part where you dive into the trash of the 70’s because that’s exactly the same as what people try to explain about Video Games from the early 90’s late 80’s. There was TONS of garbage, but the sands of time have washed those games away. Thus people have rose-tinted glasses around that period of time.
@@username.exenotfound2943 trash then was honestly just as/if not more abysmal than it is now. But like Fantano said, it’s a matter of tastes not an objective measure of what’s happening in music. I feel like games discourse devolves into the same logic. People often can’t separate their taste from the real, historical banality of the current gen. There’s good and bad across all decades.
@@username.exenotfound2943 more trash, more good stuff, more of everything - acting like the only thing there is more of is trash means you're just doing what the old man is doing - editing. Going into a store stuffed with CD's back in the 90's = most of it was trash. You just want to focus on the non-trash. Anyway, there is some great music from people with low follows. Just like you needed to leave the top ten 30 years ago for a ton of great stuff, you have to do it now, just differently.
Exactly this! People tend to forget it and only remember the highlights. Which is understandable, that's how the human brain works. However, take a look at a random top 40 hit chart from the 60's and chances are you'll know only 1 or 2 songs.
Games from the 80's are generally bad and incredibly "small" compared to modern standards. Of course there's a fair amount of genuinely great games, but by and large the medium in the 80's was held back immensely by limited technology and low budgets.
@@outlavv9892what he meant was that rick only listens to the surface level of modern music and gets all angry and upset .but ignores the modern gems that are not so popular
@fartingmantis I made this comment before he brought that up in my watch through of the video but I think it still stands. I think he's on tiktok probably has a lot of exposure to that realm of music, much of which can be absolute garbage
It’s crazy that the people who consider themselves “tr00 music fans” (Beato’s audience) rely on the radio and charts to tell them what music is out there.
@@NathanielSnider1017yeah, I’m gonna call bullshit on that. I’m gen x, one year away from being a millennial, and I think the quality of some specific genres - pop and popular rock music, mainly, and also now popular hip-hop - is generally in decline, and I never, ever look at charts and very rarely listen to pop radio. I still find tons of great music out there, but it’s generally as close as one can get to “underground” nowadays.
There's a lot more of EVERYTHING now. So more good and more bad. But I do miss the imperfect recording quality. It just sounds more...personal? Less sterile I guess.
Fantaner sux but at least he means well and tries to be a nice enough guy and beato like REALLY sucks azz lololol. And you love them both which means you suck the hardest jfc lolz.
I'm actually so glad to hear your take on this. As a "bedroom musician" who relies heavily on my vsts and daw to make music, I felt called out by Rick. There was a part of me who felt like a poser, like my music wasn't worth listening to because I don't have the ability to mic great amps, or record live drums. It's not like I don't want to, or wouldn't if I could. It's what I have access to, and I'm just doing my best with what I have. Thank you.
As a failed musician probably x2.5 times your age. Get out and do them things. It's way more productive than sitting there on vst's. I know loads of ppl who ventured out and they got things done, I was introvert and life just passed me by... :(
He doesn't have any sort of authority on anything. Yonezu Kenshi, a guy who used to make music with his digital tools holed up in his room with almost no human interaction is nowadays one of the most respected and soul-stirring artists Japan has ever seen. You keep doing your thing.
Dude I feel that. Especially because I make rock songs with no instruments and everything is programmed lmao But honestly it feels better than when I used to play guitar on what I made because like, ALL I need to focus on now is sounds and effects You can get WAY more expressive with technology than you can with real instruments
@@armondtanz I don't need to, I'm confident in what I write and don't hold it to the standards of ONE genre I'm sure Prince would've hated 100 gecs, I don't care, because I like 100 gecs and that's what matters
I appreciate that you brought up how classist one of his arguments was, and it irks me (based on this discussion, I haven't watched the original video) that he doesn't like music becoming more accessible. That generation seems to want to have control and power over what gets air time, attention, and, ultimately, monetization. I wonder if the realization that their power and influence is waning influences people to think of accessibility this way?
I pointed out to rick in a comment that the way he's using Google analytics to make his point that "modern music is in decline* is wrong. He has access to the data but he's reading it incorrectly. He's looking for music as a search term instead of a topic. Plus when he used music as a search term he's not using the UA-cam search window. Like who the fuck uses the word music in Google to look for music? Realistically people look at music as a topic on UA-cam search . But because he used analytics the way he did he's saying music interest declined by 75% since 2008 lol
Yeah, as a marketing professional, as soon as he showed his Google Trends charts with Music as the search term, I knew it was going to be a rough video.
This is such a moronic counterargument... guitars, amps and pedals don't write songs for you. They don't in any sense remove the "human factor" he goes so much on about. Please explain to me how that's comparable to autotune and AI. Dumbing down his argument to "technology bad" is painfully juvenile and grossly misses the point.
@@ThisBirdHasFlown Fretted instruments are essentially just auto-tune for instruments, but Rick's not bemoaning how rigid sounding guitars are compared to violins. Recording music literally allows for a performance of your music to be played in someone's living room on demand as often as they'd like without you being in the same continent or even holding a guitar while they listen. It's one of the most drastic removals of the "human element" in the history of music. You'd be hard-pressed to think of a music technology that doesn't automatize some aspect of music, and the entire history of music is a series of technological developments shaping the next generation of music. It's just that people often take the aspects of music they grew up with for granted.
@@DanChickHollaSaying fretted instruments serve as “auto tune” is an outrageous take, considering a fretted instrument is just an INDICATION of a certain note. This would differ inconsequentially from a piano and its keys. So according to your philosophy, that guided notes (e.g. frets) work as “auto tune” i guess Beethoven, Bach, and Chopin all used auto tune. Good luck making that argument to anyone lol
@@ceemac9631 If you read my whole post, you shouldn't be surprised to hear me say that Bach, Beethoven and Chopin ABSOLUTELY benefited from the technological advancements of their time. If musicians of Bach's time were as crotchety as Beato, they'd be complaining that Beethoven and Chopin could just hold a key down and let it sound for a whole measure without a trill. Those lazy twats didn't even need to over-legato, they could just hold their foot down on this magical pedal and it'd sustain the tones for them! The Moonlight Sonata is just an ode to how sloppy keyboardists' fingering could be by the late classical period. Bach himself wrote a whole book of music showing off how his new-fangled well-tempered keyboard allowed him to play in different keys without manually retuning his instrument in-between. I don't wish to argue about the semantics or which innovations are the most analogous, but just to address your response on fretted instruments briefly, frets are not merely an indication of a note. You cannot make an inaccurate intonation on a fretted instrument. A guitarist's technique for achieving a finger vibrato are different for a reason; moving your finger back and forth between the frets would do nothing.
@@ceemac9631 If you read my whole post, you shouldn't be surprised to hear me say that Bach, Beethoven and Chopin ABSOLUTELY benefited from the technological advancements of their time. If musicians of Bach's time were as crotchety as Beato, they'd be complaining that Beethoven and Chopin could just hold a key down and let it sound for a whole measure without a trill. Those lazy twats didn't even need to over-legato, they could just hold their foot down on this magical pedal and it'd sustain the notes for them! The Moonlight Sonata is just an ode to how sloppy keyboardists' fingering could be by the late classical period. Bach himself wrote a whole book of music showing off how his new-fangled well-tempered keyboard allowed him to play in different keys without manually retuning his instrument in-between. I don't wish to argue about the semantics or which innovations are the most analogous, but just to address your response on fretted instruments briefly, frets are not merely an indication of a note. You cannot make an inaccurate intonation on a fretted instrument. A guitarist's technique for achieving a finger vibrato are different for a reason; moving your finger back and forth between the frets would do nothing.
Rick is probably and subconsciously ranting about modern music because he invested a shit ton of money in his studio that no one uses, not even himself, to record music.
That's the dumbest thing I've heard in my life lmao. It's like saying "we should fight in wars so we become stronger." He probably says that too doesn't he
@@Blockidk-i1n Well that last statement is an extreme but not wrong entirely. If you live in total peace, you become complacent when nothing challenges you, so when time an actual threat comes back, you are so out of shape/practice.
I'm a drummer and Beato isn't saying electronic drums can't be impactful and moving. I've been revisiting Big Black post Albini's death and you can't have a live drummer on a track like Kerosene because the composition and tone of that song is entirely dependent on the relentless, tireless and alienting quality of "Roland" creating an atmosphere so bleak and endless the narrator wants to set themselves on fire. Beato is say that quantizing takes a live drumming performance -- with all its imperfections and nuances -- and turns it into and elctronic drum performance and in that assessment he's correct. He plays a quantized version of "Fool in the Rain", and it sucks because Bonham intentionally utilized funk drumming techniques to play the snare hit slightly behind the hi hat as the main time keeper. The ghost note of the half time shuffle was dead on the triplet subcount. That created tension and release by design. Quantize that and you strip all that away. His point isn't that electronic drums are less impactful or meaningful it's that quantizing is lazy and takes subtle variations of human performance and throws them out the window.
I think quantizing can change certain aspects of drumming. I make music on the cheap as I can't afford a drumset and I resort to chopping up drum samples, quantizingis incredibly useful and dynamic tool for the right situations. I think using quantizing on songs like Fool in the Rain is a strawman because that is not a situation in which it may belong, but for jungle and other electronic genres that rely heavily on sampling? It's incredibly useful. I think it's important here to call back to what fantano was saying that it might be a problem for rock music, but there are so many ways to use this technology that generalising it based on one usage in one genre is ridiculous
Ultimately a song is the sum of its parts. If you have an amazing live drum performance but the rest of the instruments can't support it (and vice versa), what good is it? If electronic drums can improve it, who cares?
See you are showing insight as you actually understand how music operates. Not even worth talking to these people. They have no clue how music functions at an extremely expert level but “because that sounds good to me” is a valid argument. No, being an expert doesn’t mean you automatically know music, but if these people could name me 25 bands that I’ve never heard of, then they would have more credit. But they listen to the heavy hitters, and tell me they understand a decade of music.
If all you have is a stellar drum track you've got more problems than whether or not to use quantizing or electronic drums. Again context matters. Sure if electronic drums can save a crappy band performance use away but in reality how often is that the case? Again I assert Beato is basically saying quantizing can be used in ways that is lazy in the context of more "live" sounding music that can strip away the character of a performance. But the more likely scenario is you have a drummer who chokes in the studio but play great live. That's extremely common. In those cases either using a studio drummer or quantizing makes perfect sense. I think he's both right and wrong. Quantizing is overused as a lazy way to get er done but he's wrong in that there aren't justifiable uses for quantizing in supposed live oriented recording genres. If your budget doesn't allow for a studio drummer then quantizing ia your friend.
Danny Carey said that a lot of the newer generation thinks that maybe what he's doing is fundamentally incorrect because it doesn't always come out the exact same time. Maybe a few seconds shorter, a few seconds long, depending on energy levels and that day. And Danny was relevant in the 90s and still is the best drummer on the planet. And when asked about a click track, he said it would be hard pressed to find one that would actually work or keep up with what he does.
I remember being a teenager in the early 2000s, not being able to afford even a single input interface or a cheap condenser mic to record music on our family pentium 2 PC. I remember dreaming about being signed by a record deal, just so I would finally be able to record the songs that I want at a quality that I wanted. Now I'm 37, not a famous rockstar or anything but I still enjoy playing and recording music. If not for the advancement of technology, every single gear I own now would have been beyond my financial reach.
I'm not that old and I remember conversations about "music being better when I was young" from people older than me when I was a kid, a teenager, a young adult and now a 30 something. Sometimes I was defending current music and sometimes I was frustrated with it. It's normal to feel out of touch sometimes. But if you're really interested in finding new music just keep looking. Talk to friends, see what they're enjoying. Listen to genres you might not normally put on. Share stuff with other people. And just have an open mind. You're not going to like it all. And you never did. Even when you claim music was at its peak, whatever decade that was, there was crap you thought was over produced garbage. It was always there. It's not going anywhere. Producers will always try and make the most radio friendly stuff that sells the most copies. Or gets the most streams. That's just the business part of the music business. And it's always been a business. Always.
Agree with everything you said, & the key really is an open mind. I'm 50 now, & for a lot of years I was like "The grunge era was the best ever & nothing good has come out since", which of course is ridiculous, but that's what happens when you close your mind off. There was a *ton* of trash music in the early/mid 90's, but of course I romanticized Soundgarden & Alice in Chains & Garbage & Nine Inch Nails & RATM & Pearl Jam, & all the terrible stuff has just faded away. It's only in the past 10-15 years that I've really tried to open myself back up, & it's been so rewarding to find amazing artists like Lana Del Rey, Phoebe Bridgers, Rival Sons, Wolf Alice, Etta Marcus, Dirty Honey & on & on. Sure, I can always just listen to Dirt or Ten or Superunknown for the millionth time, & I'll love those albums forever, but it's such a cool feeling to find something brand new that's awesome too.
@@PlanetTerror406 I have a pretty large vinyl collection. 60% of what my mother and father had was crap. 30% are albums, where only one song is good. 10% is really good. And I would bet it's relatively the same now.
I am over 60 years old and come from England( the country where most of Rick’s music came from) I can tell you that we had more than our share of radio rubbish in the 1960s and especially the 70s. Personally I think the (best) music produced today is some of the best I’ve ever heard. I am a great fan of Logic Pro. And I was old enough to record on 24 track tape in the 1980s
I find Ricks balancing act between "Labels are bad and destroy music" and "all those pesky kids with their self-produced music suck" really interesting tbh.
@@ZiddersRooFurry his opinions on modern music can essentially be boiled down to that. Just because you haven't heard all his opinions doesn't mean anything
I'm a boomer that is around the same age as Beato. Like anyone offering an opinion, there are things I agree with, and ones that I don't agree with. Just because it was made years ago with big recording budgets and fancy producers/engineers, that didn't necessarily make for great music. There were no streaming services or UA-cam that I could check out artists albums. I'd hear a song on the radio I liked, and would sometimes buy the album. Many times, the song that got radio play was the only good song on the album. I'm not a guy who can sit and listen to the same old shit over and over. I'm always trying to find new music I dig, and there is a lot out there. I have friends who still only listen to music that's 40-50 years old and can't be bothered to find new artists. Maybe Beato is secretly bitter that the current music situation has all but driven out producers and sometimes engineers. A person has to roll with the changes, or get left behind.
I made a song in Garageband on iOS when I got my first iPad. I have the tiniest amount of recollection regarding the music theory I learned playing trumpet in elementary school. Which is to say, essentially none. I was proud of the song though. I'm not talking about being proud enough to try to sell it to anyone or play it at a party. Just something I made, that I thought sounded really cool and fitting for my musical tastes. Then, I worked on it a bit. I went through and changed the drum beats to not all have the same velocity, so they didn't sound so "electronic". Things like that, which I learned over years. I'd see some new "trick" I can use, and I applied it to my song. Finally, I reached a point where I thought it was "done". I let a few friends and family members listen to it. Many of them liked it enough to ask me to send them a copy, and I even had a few actually listening to it of their own accord. That was cool as hell. Then, I let a friend of mine who has been in a handful of bands listen to it. I didn't tell him it was mine. He seemed to enjoy it and asked who it was. I showed him how I made it in garage band. He suddenly hated it and I had to listen to an hour and a half rant about how making music in any DAW is not actually making music. He said "anyone can push some buttons and turn some knobs, it takes years and years to learn how to play an 'actual instrument'". I guess he expected me to feel somehow inferior. I didn't. I never said I played an instrument. I never said "this song is better than any song you ever made." I just made a song I thought sounded cool. Strangely, he got really upset when I said, "Yeah well, anyone can strum some metal strings on an electric guitar being fed through 17 pedals, I miss when people played real instruments like a Mammoth leg-bone striking a rock."
@@bazzfromthebackground3696yeah that's pretty much it, "anyone can do it" then here's the daw, go ahead, let's see how long and how far you get. Making anything takes the same amount of effort no matter what you're using to do it, and I'd argue that making up an entire song in a daw takes way more time and skill than playing a real instrument.
@@tsg_frank I wouldn't even want to get into an argument about the effort it takes to do something one way, over another. Did the person that made it enjoy the process? Did people who experienced the end result, enjoy that experience? That's all that matters.
@@ThisBirdHasFlownI agree that most (but definitely not all) of the chart topping hit songs are bland. But there’s a huge amount of great music getting made if you dig a just little bit deeper. The problem with Rick Beato and his audience is that they don’t ACTUALLY want to discover good new music, they just want to complain. If Beato thinks that the songs on the Top 10 Singles chart suck, then he should use his channel to promote musicians who aren’t on the charts. Which he occasionally does, but not nearly as often as he posts his lazy “This Ed Sheeran song is boring, therefore good music is completely dead” videos.
Well, I've often heard some variation of, "Good music is out there, you just have to look for it." To which I think, "I didn't have to look for it before. I just had to turn on my radio."
@@Seth9809 no little brother instead of wasting my time watching beato farm engagement i spent that valuable time helping people in need and then making love to my beautiful wife . but i hope keeping up with this little discourse more than 11 days late is treating you well man
10:28 This is *such* a common and frustrating fallacy I've seen people fall for time and again. The reason shit from the '60s, '70s, '80s etc. uniformly sounds good to us now is because time has largely sorted the good shit from the bad, which is not the case for more recent eras of music. There are forgotten gems, underrated albums and cult classics, absolutely, but so much stuff that was forgotten was mediocre and not that interesting, and no one talks about them anymore. This leaves only the albums that have still held up as the ones we talk about the most, and this is how people come to perceive all music from these periods of time. The thing is people *today* see the albums that *were* remembered whilst either not being aware of or deliberately leaving out the bad shit no one cares about, and then use that to say 'oh all music from x time period was great, not like today' - when time hasn't sorted the good from the bad for modern music yet. Give it 20 or 30 years and you'll have people in the 2040s and 2050s talking about how music today sucks and the 2010s was so much better - when time has already forgotten the Lil Xans and Six Feet Unders of the world, making a myopic argument like that all the more easy to make. I remember this coming up when you were talking about that moron Paul Joseph Watson and his deification of '90s music vs. modern stuff; it's surprising to see someone as well-read as Rick Beato fall into the same trap. But I guess it's an extremely pervasive mentality you see everywhere, from all sorts of people.
Yeah but saying every era has good music and bad music is also kinda naive. I mean is true but what are you saying that is impossible for the industry to get worse or better? Sometimes music does get worse the same way sometimes the white rhinoceros get extinct, birth rate declines, life expectancie increases... things get better or worse some times.
Yeah I collect records and go to record stores all the time. Good albums you have to look and find. Crates in used record stores and thrift stores are filled with forgotten slop. The big problem people with that line of thinking have is that they don't understand the record industry and the technology behind music consumption has changed drastically in the last decade. The radio and labels don't matter any more, streaming has fractured the mainstream. Now, you could say King Gizzard is mainstream, WILLOW is mainstream, Destroy Boys are mainstream. They get millions of monthly listeners on Spotify alone. I am Gen Z and most other Gen Zers I know listen to artists like these, as well as popular and unknown rappers. You have millions of people listening to you back in the 70s you were guaranteed some form of chart success or at least wide radio play. The hot 100 doesn't represent the popular music scene anymore.
@@angelsunemtoledocabllero5801 I don't think it's naïve at all; it simply is the case. If what I'm saying sounds like a response which has a limited view on the question 'are things getting worse?', it's because I'm not even seeking to answer that question here, I'm just refuting the line of thinking I'm talking about. A line of thinking that is an even more limited view on that question, one which is pretty much incorrect and also dismissive of all the great music being made now. No one is saying it's not possible for things to get worse or better, it's more that this all too common mentality is a fallacy, it's an error of reasoning. If you want to argue things are getting worse, pointing to the classics of the past and going 'things suck now!' is not how to do it, because it's an argument that holds no water and is based on a limited view of history. It doesn't tell us anything other than 'we remember the good things', which is something that should be obvious but apparently goes over the heads of people that make this very argument.
Rick Beato vs Tony Fantano sounds like the best fight between two mafia bosses.
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I’m pretty sure that’s the plot of the godfather 3
@@Qdobafett The music mafia 😂
Rick clears every time
I think Rick Beato is just making ragebait at this point
If you look at his comments though, it's entirely in agreement. My dad told me to watch it because it's an example of why music sucks now. I love a lot of Beato's work but this video and a lot of his similar ones rub me the wrong way and do influence the way some people think. It feels like pandering
You're cool, Emily. 🧎
hey emily
ragey baito
@@danielprofeta "music sucks now," says people who haven't listened to new music that wasn't a top 40 hit in decades.
This is civil war of Italy
Underrated comment
epic
who got the Tifa rule 34
Italian on Italian crime is the biggest problem in this country
He made da needle drop is what he did. He was a brave Italian music critic. And in this house, Anthony Fantano is uh hero. End of story!
I like him explaining why he likes something. I absolutely hate him trying to "prove" why something he dislikes is bad.
I like Drake with the melodies, I don't like Drake when he act tough
I mean ppl are allowed to do it tho..
@@lessismore8533people are also allowed to punch somebody random, that doesn’t make it right 😭
@@denzel1x822not allowed though
@@denzel1x822that wasn't a good example 😂
bjork i think said something like if the music doesnt have soul, its the artist that didnt put it in the first place, dont blame the machine
Based Björk😊
I think this highlights why "AI music" sucks too. There's no actual artist involved so it can't have soul no matter how competent you can get it to sound. It's just flat noise with no meaning or intention.
@@WobblyBits_X on point🙌
@@WobblyBits_X Yep, exactly right. Everything AI spits out is just noise, whether it's music, images, text or videos. And I don't mean the artistic kind of noise.
@@WobblyBits_X Yeah, it's why I'm not worried about AI destroying art. At worst it will make it harder to make money from art which does suck in a capitalist society. But good human made art will exist as long as humans exist.
19:28 the thing that annoyed me in Rick’s original video is him using Led Zeppelin as some sort of gold standard, however Led Zeppelin barely touched the Billboard charts or any pop singles charts for that matter. It’s apples and oranges.
Didn't their albums regularly reach the top of the charts? They were an album band, not a singles band
@@soarel325 precisely! If you look at the modern ALBUM charts it’s a very different story! Rick compares an old ALBUM band like Led Zeppelin with modern SINGLES CHARTS artists. It's an unfair comparison
No to mention how much they stole creatively from other artists. They are not as inventive as he thinks they are.
@@PennyroyallBlewonly really on their debut
LZ didn’t release singles. They released albums. Those recordings were worked on by each member to make the songs and the album as perfect as they can be while also being palatable to an audience who bought more singles than albums. It’s not just apples and oranges. It’s apples and orange cake. I work in a studio around the same level as Beato’s and he’s just like my bosses who started in the 70s and 80s, except they don’t hate all recording techniques invented after 1993.
To quote Billy Joel, "the good old days weren't always good and tomorrow ain't as bad as it seems".
@@jeffbrown-hill7739 Look deeper into that. That also implies the present might not be that good if the good ol days weren't that good. I think people are just too defence and act like civilization only goes one way, Progress. Nah, we had to take a few steps back a few times before and this one of those instances.
@@TallicaMan1986Agreed.
Right, but current music is nonsense.
@@k.s.nichols4060ALL current music? EVERYTHING made in the present day, inside and outside the mainstream, is nonsense?
@@k.s.nichols4060Mainstream music mainly yes but there's still some great songs being written
I'm an older musician who started playing in the 70s. I have to agree there was a whole truckload of crap music then. Most of the stuff revered now wasn't heard much on the radio or TV. I had a studio in the 80s and spent way too long trying to get the sounds I wanted. Now it takes no time at all and it is truly liberating.
But you learned how to play music without a machine. There is a difference. I think that's all he's trying to say. Whether he's using the correct terminology or not is, I don't know. But I think he's saying that this is making lazy musicians that don't really have to practice. all that hard work he put in is what makes you the musician you are now. The warning is proving this every day. They're blowing every other band out of the water right now. And they learned organically.
@@DannyLeeOGT Learning is always an organic process. And I would not learn to play piano or violin just to prove anything to you while selling well received electronic music records. It is just clear to me from what corner of age you are coming from. You are the cool teenager who agrees with his grandfather because you both know your parents suck. Ain't that something?
@@niemand7811 No need to attack another person this way (ad hominem) just because you disagree with him. DannyLeeOGT was not being personal with his reply to the OP but his comment must have hit a nerve and triggered you.
@@DannyLeeOGT As a young person interested in composition (I also play the piano), I'm all for using machines to create music. There's so much you can do with it.
If small musicians want to hear what their composition would sound like played by a real orchestra, they can thanks to a variety of VSTs available on the Internet, and that's a very good thing! Imagine wanting the same thing a few decades ago... Even teenagers like me can, if they want, get hold of a DAW and compose on it. I would also add that knowing how to play an instrument and composing are two different things, you can do one thing without necessarily doing the other. Do you really think that Beethoven knew how to play all the instruments that make up an orchestra?
For me, as long as the real instruments aren't neglected in general, everything's OK!
What's the "truckload of crap music" then? Don't just throw that out there.
The reason people think only good music was made in the past is because only good music gets remembered.
@@wiggy009 You're still judging music from popularity; the revolutionary music that's being dropped these days doesn't have to be popular or commercially successful to be important for music history.
@@wiggy009rym 2024 chart, look that up
@@wiggy009 rym 2024 chart, look that up
thats literally what he said bruh 😭
@@wiggy009 The 70s was 50 years ago, so it's easy to see which songs have and haven't been influential. We can't really make that kind of judgement about music now until the 2070s.
With Beato's large platform, he could be using it to push more independent artists(which he has before), but it seems like he keeps leaning into "new music bad", which makes a lot of clicks for the kind of audience that's too lazy to look for new music.
Grifting is a kind of easy, fairly low effort way to rake in the cash. Now I’m not saying that’s all Rick does, a lot of his content is absolutely fantastic. Dude has one of the best music channels on the Internet. All I’m saying is he knows his audience 💵💰🤑💸
Give the masses a little red meat and they’ll give you enough bread to buy your summer home 💀💀
Hes literally a boomer what do you expect? He does a good job at pushing relatively talented contemporary guitar players.
Man complaining about why music keeps "getting worse" while simultaneously never using his platform responsibly to bring exposure to multitude of newer or youth artists and groups out there could never get more ironically out of touch than that. I mean, gosh!
There have been waves of younger or youth artists and groups out there such as Caroline Polachek, Ginger Roots, Squid, Hakushi Hasegawa, underscores, Hiatus Kaiyote, Martha Skye Murphy, Arooj Aftab, Jockstrap, Little Simz, Amaarae, Julia Holter etc, who have been pushing new spin on creativity in such interesting ways since the past few years alone.
Yet, I've never seen him giving a single shout out to one of those names in separate videos other than his regular Billboard reaction stuff..
When he analyzes individual modern songs he generally likes and praises them. He’s definitely just whining because it’s popular
Also, this is going to be my hot take as a passive subscriber of him: Him "christening" Willow Smith and her latest record as an example of his token representation on what constitutes as the ideal "good music" is so disingenuously misleading. Like, you can't be more obvious at influencing people with a narrative there. Especially when she herself has been making music partly as a coping mechanism and **in spite of** the conservative influences around her.
Every day I wake up, make a cup of coffee, and google "music" to find something to listen to
Pathetic. You have no real taste of your own, have you?
I knew a person once who, when asked what their favourite music was, said: "The radio".
No knowledge of anything. Just listening to whatever is playing at the moment. The crap that's been selected for you...
😂
oh for sure, its the only way to find music, you wouldn't possibly use the platforms that music is hosted on, and look up specific artists' names, or specific genres, or specific time periods and instruments, rick is a true intellectual and music lover just like us you see
@@deadaccount03791 as you know, using newer technology leads to the downfall of music
Everyday I wake up, I smoke weed, fill my belly with diet soda, and play Burnout Revenge for the PS2
Fantano really went straight to “Meet the Beatos” crazy
I don't get it
@@cursedswordsman Kendrick Lamar made a diss track on Drake called "Meet the Grahams"
Nah. Meet the Beatos would talk about how he trained his child to have microtonal perfect pitch and that's how he gained success on UA-cam, despite his lengthy rock production career.
beat the meatos
@@Liam-yu7lm underrated comment
The fact that Beato measures people's interest in music based on whether they are literally googling "music" is kind of indicative of how out of touch he really is.
Exactly, like how could you make that argument.most people are looking that stuff up on the social media that he claims us zoomers so are interested in. And then he does the same shit with movies and video games.
I was laughing so hard at that part, he was saying it with such a straight face.
it’s crazy that he said “interest in social media is rising so no one wants to make music anymore” well yeah because the term “social media” didn’t widely exist in 2004??
I think people are less inclined to google a term like music. Why would you ever do that? I think we could use some kind of adjacent term related to music, that people would actually google.
Also, I think during the early days, people would just look up "music" to find some music related thing they might be interested in. Nowadays though, we only do so to find out what music is. The only reason I'd google it is if I were a middle school student doing research for a cheesy essay. I guess "social media" is a hotter topic.
It's like the most played out piece of "data" for any "you fell off" argument at this point. I'm surprised he didn't go on to say that Music has 0 viewers on Twitch and 0 active players on Steam
Not Like Us (Fantano version)
This is just a warm-up drill, his "Like That" before shit's about to get spicy.
@@GuyWhoLikesTheSnarkies1435 Can't wait for his "Meet the Grahams"
Look music, I’m sorry that beato is…..:
Certified boomer
@@countyfactswailuigi Wop wop wop wop wop, Melon fuck em up
Rick Beato if he was a chef "Food was better before the oven, now everything is so easy. You used to have to watch carefully over a fire to make sure the food cooks just right and now we have timers?"
I actually prefer open fire cooking to an oven cooked meal. The key here is understanding preferences are different for everyone. That’s okay.
@@BarrackObamnathanks obama
@@BarrackObamnaI read this in your voice. Thank you Barrack
@@BarrackObamna Folks, let me tell you something - this Obama guy, he really doesn't know what he's talking about when it comes to cooking. I mean, open fire cooking? What is he, some kind of caveman? No, no, no, we have the best ovens, the greatest ovens, the likes of which the world has never seen before. Believe me, I know more about cooking than anyone. Just ask my beautiful wife, Melania - she'll tell you, I'm the best chef, the best cook you've ever seen.
So, Barack, let me tell you something - you don't know what you're talking about when it comes to cooking. Leave it to the professionals, leave it to the experts. Because when it comes to making America's cuisine great again, there's only one person for the job - and that's Donald J. Trump. Believe me.
@@BarrackObamnano the point is he's making an analogy, and a good one. And I'm sure you rush out to the open fire after a hard day at the office 5 days a week.
"There's too much garbage music nowadays"
Like, there wasn't thousands of albums with just 1 hit and 10 filler songs
Yes - in a sea of great albums.
The difference is back then...those filler songs didn't make it on to the radio or top of the charts. Now those songs do get pushed to the forefront.
@@GoemonLovesFujikoThere‘s so many amazing albums out right now. Maybe do some better digging?
@@gummypoppa clearly I was commenting on the second half of OP’s comment. Back then good music was ubiquitous. You didn’t have to dig. Maybe you should now days. But if one needs to dig to find good music then the present bears no resemblance to the past.
@@GoemonLovesFujiko in 50 years time, only the good music of today will be remembered, and will seem ubiquitous, - the awful bubblegum music of the 70s isnt remembered is it?
“I've come up with a set of rules that describe our reactions to technologies:
1. Anything that is in the world when you’re born is normal and ordinary and is just a natural part of the way the world works.
2. Anything that's invented between when you’re fifteen and thirty-five is new and exciting and revolutionary and you can probably get a career in it.
3. Anything invented after you're thirty-five is against the natural order of things.” - Douglas Adams
Douglas Adams may be the most humorous and insightful authour I've ever read. Taken too soon.
Accurate af
I mean, the consequences of generative AI are starting to get worrisome for the state of culture and creativity, but hey, maybe I feel that way because I’m just about to turn 35.
@srglzrmj as someone in their 20s, I can assure you that I am just as worried
@@srglzrmj i just think it's a scam honestly
Rick is an alright dude not too pessimistic most of the time. Going into his comment section is pretty much like getting struck by the lightning of 5000 boomers😭😭
😂🤣😂🤣💀💀
And seeing his thumbnails ig
Correct. It is annoying how people over a certain age only seem to care about bands who got signed.. And not just signed but signed in the heyday of physical albums
Seen some comments saying "grunge ruined music 😤" lmao
@@AFellowCyberman The group of stubborn annoying white males aged 55-65 who religiously believe Van Halen and Rush were the pinnacle of human achievement.
I know that's an awful stereotype but as someone who is getting close to that age himself, I get a pass. Annoys the piss out of me
“I find it so amazing when people tell me that electronic music has no soul. You can't blame the computer. If there's no soul in the music, it's because nobody put it there.”
-Björk
Exactly look at Joe Zawinul
Bjork gettin a lot of quotes.
Music IS the worst it's been. If u lived through the 90s youd know.
All they go on about on the news is taylor swift. That's it...
Just shows u were we are at.
@@armondtanz jUsT sHoWs YoU wHeRe We aRe aT lmfao. Bro watches the news for his daily dose of music. "Music is the worst it's been" according to whom? CEO of music or the self proclaimed UA-cam critics with no real job lmfao.
@@armondtanz I can't imagine basing my opinion on the state of music off of watching THE NEWS of all things. Broaden your perception a bit and you'll realize music is NOT at the worst it's been.
@@Jasperr9999 it is . This comment section is 100% proof.
And yes the news is an indicator of grade A musicians.
There are non because no one is mentioning them in the comments.
That alone speaks a 1000s words.
Kids addicted to social media has killed the pool of talent. Go take a look at ispeed when he goes out. They the new rock n rollers.
I think I've listened to music every day of my life for the past 25 years or so. Yet not ONCE have I googled the word "music". :D
there's difference between listening to music and actually understanding music deeply... Beato's right modern music
@@jeppy4021He ain’t.
Well put, Anthony.
I think a major factor that Rick didn't mention is the total corporatisation of the music inudstry.
*Popular* artists used to be allowed the time and space to create truly interesting and innovative music which was then supported by radio and television shows that huge swathes of the population listened to and watched (because there was nothing else!)
Whereas these days record labels are so beholden to algorithms, TikTok Views, and the almighty dollar that artists aren't given nearly as much creative freedom to take risks and try new things.
We keep hearing from artists from all ends of the success-spectrum that they are struggling to fund their tours, studio time, and equipment because they're simply not paid enough. This is the fault of gigantic coporations like Spotify, Ticketmaster, and the big three labels, that focus purely on constant growth and not CREATIVE growth.
That must be hugely demotivating for artists.
But regardless of all of that... there's still so much incredible music coming out if Rick was willing to look past the Spotify/Billboard Top 10!
Blaming the declining interest in music on the attention span of artists and their listeners is minimising the most glaring problem facing music today: The coporate greed & creative hollowing-out of the music industry.
Well said but then again, he is a pop producer which is why he only uses top X lists for his examples which is logical in context.
Elliot! When's the Ringo ranking coming out?
One of Rick's best videos that I thought was just gonna be another old man yells at cloud video is a video where he goes in on the 1996 Telecommunications act (Fuck the 1996 telecommunications act all my homies hate the 1996 telecommunications act) and how it destroyed most local radio in the US. It was like "wow a tangible reason for why popular music may not be as high quality as it used to be", never thought I'd see the day.
Corporate greed was a big thing when popular music was better as well. Think 50s-70s. It's nothing new.
What changed is labels had to come up with new ways to make money once album sales declined in the 2000s.
SoundCloud rap is what we got.
Good points. Some of what you say are reasons why I like an artist like Kendrick Lamar who has the freedom to take years to create his albums.
People in the 70s be like "music is dying, I haven't heard a doo wop song in 20 years, all these kids only care about their noisy guitars, where is the singing?"
Yeah.....but "Kashmir" came out in the 70's so...
@@chiefchimp2789 okay but was he old yet?
Like, progressive rock was the big viral thing at the time and so many critics were **actually** disparaging them to death despite the undeniable importance they eventually contributed for the music industry by opening up a brand new, almost alien creative possibility like nothing else before. Among the (in)famous ones was none other than the biggest Beatles' connoisseur in history and a former critic of Anthony Fantano himself, Robert Christgau.
@@chiefchimp2789 Led Zeppelin was exactly a prime example of musical group the kind of critic mentioned by Op would've despised very dearly. I mean, c'mon now 😂
@@GuyWhoLikesTheSnarkies1435 I'm not entirely sure about that as Zep would have been a band that was around for a decade or so by that point with multiple charting singles. I see what you're saying but I don't think Beato is as closed-minded as this narrative is (although I do agree that his recent videos were a bit jarring and came off as unhinged rants that mostly gave me a laugh).
….I don’t care about the subject matter of the video. Rick is short for Richard, so is the name Dick. This man’s name is basically Dick Beato.
Beatony Meatano
Man, I didn’t want to like this, but you earned it.
Dick Beat Offo
me when im a chronic masturbator with a speech impediment
Low blow
"The creative dependency on technology limits the ability of people to innovate" RICK, YOU'RE A PRODUCER; YOU RELY, DEPEND AND THRIVE ON TECHNOLOGY
also like where does he draw the line on “technology”? a guitar is technology
Rick does make that exact point in the reaction video, that’s linked in Fantano’s description.
Rick does make that exact point in the reaction video, that’s linked in Fantano’s description.
The ironic thing about the technology argument Rick Beato is making here is that when he plugs “music” and “hip hop” into google trends, he’s falling victim to his own critique, ie. that technology makes you lazy, in that he’s using technology to prove his point in the laziest way possible
That's a bloody good point.
It illustrates the differing mindsets of using technology for convenience and using it to experiment and explore.
Beato obviously falls into the first camp and just assumes that everyone is there, when really it shows that age seems to have dulled his curiosity and will to explore.
👏👏👏💯 well said
So… he is correct then ? 😅
@@joserodall7321he’s not correct at all. It’s just that nobody uses Google to find music these days. We have so many other avenues that we didn’t have AT ALL in 2005.
Anthony is wrong. In 2004 we had 100% music.
just imagine what we had in 2003. Music beyond what the human mind can even imagine
Ah yes, my main way of finding new and exciting music. Googling… “music.”
2002 music would literally blow your mind
in that brief golden age, the only thing anybody googled was simply... music. this is what they took from you
And in 2001, another plane hit the...
Phil Collins, one of only three people to sell over 100 million records both as a member of a band, and a solo artist, only exploded as a songwriter once he started using a drum machine.
He'd noddle on it until he got a beat he liked, and he'd let it run while he sang and played piano over it. Tons of drum machines in Collins' hits.
And Collins pioneered famous 80s gated reverb snare sound
common Matt Colville W
@@mcolville He was also a very technically accomplished drummer himself - you only need to hear his work with Genesis and Brand X to see that he had no trouble playing the drums himself!
but isn't phil collins music literally the most soulless you can get? didn't they use his music in american psycho as an example of corporate trash?
Also Stewart Copeland mentioned how Sting wrote a song based on a Casio preset in an interview with, you guessed it, Rick Beato.
Anyone that claims rules for music is an administrator, not an artist.
There’s a difference between rules and opinions though. What’s the difference between Fantanos reviews and what Rick is saying. Wouldn’t that mean fantano is also making rules when he reviews an album
so there are no rules right? I guess music theory doesnt exist
Not only did Frank Sinatra have a whole music team behind him to make good stuff, he also had the mafia
*have
The Jewish mafia
@@Adam-bq6ic : Frank Sinatra's connections to organized crime are well known -- Sam Giancana, Charles Fischetti, Angelo Bruno, Vito Giacalone, etc. etc. -- and it is the *Italian-American* mafia specifically that he had connections to.
@@Adam-bq6ic Sinatra's mafia connections are well-documented and they were all Italian-Americans.
the good ole days
I've been googling "rick beato is wrong" for the past few days just to find someone finally speak up about this
Rick needs to pull up that Google trend data.
Pat Finnerty Show
Same
Same, I've been coming back to Fantano intermittently just to see if he has addressed it, because I thought he would. Finally.
@@FERMUSICA you should have been googling music...come on
NO ONE IS GOOGLING MUSIC
Holy shit hahahahhaa. This man is a professional music producer what the fuck
That point is so funny, the guy claims to know what's wrong with music today but doesn't even know how we interact with it.
Yea I didn't get what he was trying to do there.
I'm honestly glad fantano supports modern music I didn't think he would before I rly started watching him
Beato comes home to his wife, dismayed, and says “honey, I went into the local community centre today and looked at the notice board. Not a single flyer made by someone looking for fellow musicians to start a band. Rock music is truly dead.”
I went into Google Trends and typed "anal sex". You wouldn't believe the dip. Seems people just aren't doing it anymore :/
I hate how he’ll look at a trap song and be like “aw these fuckin stock trap beats suck, music is just shit these days who listens to it?” And just completely ignores the complex sampling, and the fact that it’s on the top charts so obviously somebody listens to it.
lol someone said this under one of his videos and it's way too on point
"someone tell Rick to stop filming videos on his phone, go out and buy an old camera with some 35mm film and go film and edit his videos like they did in the good old days, the new technology is making music content creators lazy smh"
Someone should mail that comment to him by pigeon
The point of the "new technology" is that people are skipping music theory and hard work, as well as creativity. Instead, they "sample" old music and loop everything with digital copies, throw in a few new words and claim a hit. If you want to say that is creative, go ahead, but it's not original.
It’s the lack of creativity that’s the issue, not technology advancing. Music is much ‘simpler’ now than ever before despite all of the technological advances.
That’s because people are using tech to do the work for them instead of as a tool. No craftsmanship.
@@kd2mill what a tired, boring boomer take. The Beatles infamously didn't know music theory. most successful bands and artists don't know anything other than basic theory, they just make music that sounds good.
also on sampling, half the songs in the charts right now are not based around samples. go listen to J Dilla or Madlib and try to pretend sampling isn't impressive.
also, Prince programmed drum machines, and he absolutely had more talent than any of your favorites.
He didn't say old tech is better or that new tech is bad, moreso that the new tech is allowing music to get worse. This is a misrepresentation of his point.
rick fell into the cycle of shitting on newer generations. "yall kids have it so easy, back in my day..."
The scary thing is everyone does this. None of us are above this. Now we may be further away from it happening, but it will happen. It’s human nature.
@@chiarosuburekeni9325I wouldnt say everyone dose this, there are deffinqtly some very open minded people who are resistent to this way of thinking but I will agree that it is very easy to think like this.
You should hear him teaching guitar technique. He makes it sound like you need a 4 year degree to put your fingers on the strings.
Sure not "everyone" does this, but way too many people do! What's really fucking frustrating is how each generation proclaims that "They won't do this when they get older", because they were rightly annoyed when older generations did it to them, end up turning around and doing it to the newer generations once they hit their mid 30s/early 40s. It's a result of becoming more conservative as you age, as well as getting further and further away from one's youth that it's like people forget what it was like, along with falling into the same trap of romanticizing the past that the older generations do, and just not being interested in remembering what it was really like, and just going off the vibes of nostalgia and how it makes you feel good, and basing your entire perspective off that.
Really do not think he is shitting on the new music generation. His own presentation is pretty friendly and not hostile, just sharing an opinion with his own analysis. if you disagree, that's cool. However, I think there's some truth and value in his story of being a music fan early on before streaming services. I thought there's a real point being made there that I can understand
rick beato when he hears a song he personally dislikes: “it seems music was objectively better when i was younger”
Its so silly, doesn't he know that MY preferences are the ones that are objective?
But you do realize Deep Purple's "Pictures of Home", or Emerson Lake and Palmers "Tarkus", or Led Zeppelins, "In the Light", or Iron Maiden's "Rime of the Ancient Mariner", "Alexander the Great", "Hallowed be Thy Name" etc are all miles and miles and miles better thought out, executed, and recorded than anything produced today?
@@jacksondolly3248 oh yeah that's right I forgot. We bow down to your generation's objective superiority!! Might as well just stop making new music, amirite?
@@jacksondolly3248No? Cause it's not true
@@jacksondolly3248listen to anything produced by thundercat please
this video is longer than 4 ramones song
more like 10 💀💀
I understood the reference
Dude what. This video is literally 12 ramones songs long
The immediate cut to SOPHIE absolutely obliterating a synth/beat on her computer after rick's spiel about the dependence on technology being bad for innovation literally KILLED ME omg
I almost can’t take people’s criticisms on “modern music” seriously anymore if they haven’t listened to SOPHIE or formed an opinion on PC Music… which is probably a bit pretentious and wrong of me, but it’s become so ingrained in my musical “worldview” that I really can’t help it.
@@drummerAVA Not even PC Music, just ask for their opinion on Björk. Watch them try to box her capability/proficiency in music by which song they bring up.
RIP Carrot Top
The correct level of technology is what existed when I was 23.
Nobody likes you when you’re 23
I agree but then why are Millennials & Gen Z reviving Vinyl and say it “sounds” better?
@@joesmith4443 Because it sounds better.
@@Randy950 😂
@@Randy950 50% of ALL vinyl records sold are not even opened and bought by those who don’t even own a turntable. Not to mention “collectible” “variants” & virgin vinyl vs recycled then preach about climate change & pollution 🤣
rick beato's entire video formula is basically like if a food critic walked into a mcdonalds, ordered the entire dollar menu, and then made a video complaining about the disappearance of haute cuisine
That is so on point, wow
This is a good analogy. There's nothing wrong with having something in McDonald's, it's just not the type of food that a fancy restaurant would make. It also reaches way more people...
But his entire point is literally that anyone now CAN make haute cuisine and get famous for it, without going to culinary school and going up the ladder. Almost all of the pop stars now, especially in Hip Hop, have almost zero actual musical knowledge, like which chords go with each other, how to build a song etc. Do you know how many songs nowadays are just: intro, verse, chorus, verse chorus, bridge, chorus, chorus, chorus and fade out? they're like barely 2-3 minutes long because they don't have the talent to carry a 6 minute song, and the fans also don't have the attention span to follow it, because they don't actually LISTEN to it. They'll hear the lyrics and post them on a motivational post on IG, but couldn't give a rats ass about the music behind it. Like Herbie Hancock's "Headhunters" literally only has 4 songs on the ENTIRE album, and those 4 songs possess more ideas and concepts and talent than almost every modern pop artist's entire discography combined.
It's not "old man yells at cloud" to say that modern technology has enabled the entire populace with a laptop and fruity-loops to be able to "make music" and start a career out of it. That's why people make fun of soundcloud rappers and indie folk singers; they oversaturate an already completely oversaturated market and allow everyone to "have a chance". We do need to start gatekeeping music making more and only letting actual musicians become famous. It's sad how some of the best actual musicians are in non main-stream spaces and will probably never get heard because they also play with other actual musicians and it becomes a vicious cycle. Look at the Zildjian Live series here on youtube and pick any video, and just pick out a single musician, not necessarily the drummer, and go down a rabbit hole of what groups and bands they're a part of. Every single member of Snarky Puppy and the Ghost-Note band has more musical talent individually than the entire modern music industry combined......and it's not even close. But they won't ever see the main-stream because the VAST majority of people don't actually even like music, they like the artist's "brand" and only follow them because they're famous.
@@jacksondolly3248ain't nobody reading allat
@@jacksondolly3248 dude you live in a very secluded bubble, and you preconceived notions about people not caring for musicality are so pretentious it’s actually cartoony, I suggest getting some bitches
i’m only at 5:48 in the video but your presentation of rick’s points from the video strike me as intentionally and artificially weak to make your own position look better. first, his point about sinatra (and he said the 40’s when sinatra was with dorsey, not 50’s) was that there was no chance to “punch in”. there was an orchestra behind him, a ton of different ingredients had to be put in order, dozens of people had to simultaneously perform at near perfection, and there were no easy do-overs if one person on one instrument messed up one note. and his point about the quantizing wasn’t that drum machines are categorically bad but that their increased use over actual drummers incentivized lazier music production that led to records which had less intentionality behind them. his is a subtle argument of incentives and general patterns. your counter example with prince holds a lot less water than you think it does-it does not at all follow from ricks argument that purple rain sucks because it includes drum machines. he isn’t making an argument of necessity. he’s observing historical trends in production and providing causal explanations for why popular music has homogenized as much as it has. if any two drummers play the same line, without quantization, they sound different. after quantizing, they sounds the same. you’re refuting (weak) points rick never made.
yap yap yap go take a nap boomer
Rick misses the point of today's landscape entirely. Music is not easier to make, Music Making is just more accessible. Along with the Internet being so widespread, we're now able to listen to a million new musical ideas, both good and bad. I find it odd a music fan like him would go to such lengths to try and gatekeep what could become the new wave of tomorrow just because some teenagers dump their tepid beats on soundcloud.
It's like the "would we be better off without technology" debate except applied to music, something much more low-stakes. People are always going to be able to make low-quality music and high-quality music, more tools are available now to do both more effectively.
Exactly, at one point he was describing how difficult it used to be to make music and how that somehow made the music better but all I could hear was that access to money and industry connections used to be essential to being successful in music and now it's not. His arguments are so unbalanced and unnuanced that he doesn't even mention any counterpoints to his own arguments or any potential benefits of the things he doesn't like, he just says they're bad. Boomers gonna boomer
Music is definitely easier to make. Even from scratch. There is so much free information to learn an instrument online.
Music is absolutely easier to make than ever, I say that as a musician. It’s still hard to make great music, but most music listeners don’t care about the actual quality of it. That being said it’s still hard to make music and good that more people are able to now
its the new wave of the future!
He didn’t even use Google Trends right. When he looked up genres of music he looked them up under “search term” instead of “music genre”. He says search term country music is down 50% in America but if you look up the genre its down 20%
I guess most average Rick's fans are just going to gloss over your reply here and look for the convenience to drop the same kind of "in defense of" refutation elsewhere lol 🤭
He also ignored the fact that search engines are almost unusable now and there's no need to even use them for anything let alone finding music.
I've heard anecdotes (no concrete proof, sorry) that certain Baroque composers were disgusted by the adoption of the Piano over the Harpsichord, because pianos could sustain notes and chords rather than needing to play trills and arpeggios, and this newfangled technology was just making composers lazy.
We actually recently discussed this in class, can confirm
Couldn't this be explained with he needs to use his feet for those sustained chords? This one can be demonstrated pretty easily I think. Outside of the timbre of a harpsi. A piano does the same, but with added functions.
No one complained when the whammy bar became a guitar thing because it still sounds good when used Properly.
To be fair, though, I have several friends whose favorite period is the Baroque, whereas I've never met anyone who favors the Galant, which came right after. So in this particular case, maybe the curmudgeons had a point.
that's actually an inspiring story
@@TallicaMan1986 I dunno. It's an anecdote music teachers tell their students, and for all I know they made it up. The point is that musicians have been whining about innovation "cheapening the craft" for actual centuries.
Here is the thing, Queen, my favorite band, used technology to it's fullest of it's time. do I think they wouldn't be using the tools of today if that had them making "Night at the Opera" or "Jazz" YES! they would have used the tech and STILL went and did as much as they could with it. Tech doesn't limit creativity to creative people. It helps and pushes them to do EVEN more... good lord
To an extent
Ironically, Rick did an interview with Seal where Seal explains that "Kiss from a Rose" was inspired by reading the Tascam 244 owners manual. Damn you technology!!!
Hahaha
Seal also says, in the same interview, that he didn't know how to play an instrument when he wrote that song. Genius just kinda finds a way within it's own context.
On the grave tho?!?!?!? 🔥
@@AvenEngineer I don't entirely believe that, I'm sure there was a lot of instinct going on though and people don't use that enough these days, sometimes it's better to feel than think
@@NickSBailey I may not have expressed my point clearly, because I completely agree with you. It's often better to feel than think.
I'm not a musician, but I have read the Tascam 244 manual. It didn't inspire me to create a masterpiece.
Musical genius existed inside Seal's head, that even he was unaware of in the moment. The tools at his disposal are just a conduit through which his genius expressed itself. This song specifically is the expression of an artist experimenting with new technology, not technical mastery of that technology.
I find new artists online that blow my mind virtually everyday. They're making completely new sounds with new gear. In my view, there has never been more technical mastery of traditional musical instruments. The kids graduating from Berkley, Juilliard, or 100 other art programs around the world, by the thousands, are unbelievably good.
rick is just mad he’ll never know how to sample a pen click over a quantized beat that is sampled from the sounds of obama coughing and some weird noise spongebob made in one of the earlier seasons
I’m sure he grieves that every day.
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@@LudwigAlbums 😭😭😭
gottem
@@miimasterCharliehes actually refrencing the actual samples jpeg used in a song
I think Rick is right on this one. You see, back in my day, I had to save up twenty sheep, drive them to market to sell, and pay a luthier to make my gittern. THEN, I had to hire a carriage to travel four towns over to learn THREE CHORDS from a minstrel. My first book of tabs cost me a dozen shillings. I'm lucky to make that in a season! Kids these days have it too easy.
By the way, if you know any dulcimer players, my band is looking for one. We play our first show at Count Edmond's court for the Countess's fifteenth birthday.
I don’t think my generation have it easy especially what is happening today because of the government after the pandemic. Out of respect, just because you didn’t have it “easy” doesn’t mean everyone should have the same experience you had. The main issue is we don’t have opportunities because no one even guided our generation the right way.
@@christiansoto1367 You realize the original comment is satire, right?
Did you actually read the comment you replied to? @@christiansoto1367
Rick Beato did make a very good point here but didn't connect it right. I think, because it's so easy to listen to music, people do so without actually properly getting into it. Guess what they listen to? Bland pop. (back in the day, these people would not buy records or actively make radio requests; they wouldn't show up)
Also, because it's so easy to listen to bland pop, people properly into music also run across it, when in the past, who could imagine wasting _money_ on such a thing? The Least Common Denominator Music appears more popular nowadays because of how people consume music these days. I genuinely think good music acts are less likely to become among the most world renowned these days. But that's not a big deal because it's not real popularity; it's just apparent.
TikTokification, is, IMO a real thing, however. It discourages emotional depth. How can you, if you only have 15 seconds?
@@shambhav9534this is just not true, ask any person older than 35 and you’ll se how most of them like regular pop or the traditional stuff people like on your country, just from their time, and even some current day pop, and it’s not like tik tok is the way people listen to music, tv shows, ads and movies also aren’t good ways to listen to music (you can discover music on all of these tho)
Having grown up in the 50's and 60's, you are right there was an astonishing amount of garbage then.
My problem with modern music is that there is way too much good stuff to keep up with! It’s seriously overwhelming.
@@nickl2854Rick needs to listen to some Knocked Loose at the mosh pits and King Gizzard & The Lizard Wizard. It will change his life.
lol
@@nickl2854That's what I Teel to my 80 year old Grandpa. "Stop being lazy and just listen 100 gecs."
There really isn't. I suggest you go listen to the 60's-90's
@@AFellowCyberman Lol he definitely knows that stuff.
The main thing is impassioned creativity. Someone very engaged in creating the perfect electronic drum sound, the right reverb, equalization, condensation, etc, is just as engaged in the creative process as a drummer looking to find the perfect tone and feel out of their set.
Real creativity shines through any medium.
Facts
"...I fear the man who has practiced one kick (drum) ten thousand times..."
😂
that's some real shit you just said, good music will always be good music no matter the genre category or whatever labels slapped on
what's funny about this comment is that Steely Dan did exactly this. they created the perfect drum machine and used in on the gaucho album. i'm sure rick probably rubs one out over steely dan's creative process...
You understand that reverb, equalization, and condensation (lol) is applied to acoustic drum sets as well right? Like you still have to engineer and mix acoustic drums after you're done recording them? The difference between the two is that a drummer needs to actually be able to play his set, which takes years and years of practice to do.
And yes while creativity shines through any medium, creativity often comes from engaging deeply with that medium. A drummer who has dedicated his life to the proficiency of his instrument is going to be much better equipped to make creative choices in music than someone who has only experimented in a daw. Be careful with the romantic view of creativity being this magical trait that is determined at birth. Creativity is something you develop by engaging and experimenting with creative material.
Rick's judgement that today's music sucks based on Spotify top 10 is like a guy taking a glass of water from the ocean, seeing there's no fish in the glass and concluding that therefore there are no fish in the ocean
No. Rick gets a glass of water from the ocean handed to him. He takes a nip and bases his opinion of the whole ocean on that one nip. But he's not alone in that, a lot of people do. While most people don't even take a nip but just look at the glass.
@@fortheloveofmusic860*sip
Beautiful analogy
This is a dumb comment. Spotify top 10 tells you what most average people like... It's called extrapolation lmao. If 99% of music is bad, and I have to go searching for the 1% that is good, unique, and actually quality. Then I can confidently say "most modern music is bad", is that wrong?
@@OArchivesX no, not logic. These kids are too emotional they can't handle it. The majority of these kids commenting are born after the 2000s. Literally born to hear the music of today with very little reference and live reference of the music that came before it.
The ocean wasn't a polluted hell hole back then.
Negative news tends to get more clicks. Just look at TV news shows. There's so much more positivity happening in the musical world and beyond that I'd rather focus on.
4:20 Didn't Frank Sinatra said himself that his best instrument is not his voice but his microphones? Like he can sing but he also utilized the hell out of that piece of technology.
That’s interesting
I went to Rome, Italy specifically, and did some Sinatra karokee very badly with some cool dude. The next day this guy asks if I wanna come on a food and wine tour. Probably the best tour I have ever had the pleasure of attending in my life. I got to go to some invite only hole in the wall joint, that Sinatra used to eat at, but like basically chill at too.
The instrument therefore is actually the friends we made along the way.
@@cheesecakelasagna your taking that too literally. Frank never owned his personal microphone. He said he relied on it because he didn’t want to belt to the back of the room 100% of the time and a microphone makes it so that you don’t have to belt and everyone can still hear you.
My impression of Mr. Sinatra's personality doesn't reconcile with the statement that it was his microphones that made his records good. He may have complimented his engineer (who actually owned the U47 Sinatra always used), but Mr. Sinatra had no confidence issues with his voice.
No he is just correct. Gen Z is the first generation not to listen to their own music. They are also the first generation whose suicide rates are rising at an worrying level as Jonathan Haidt pointed out. The data about suicide attempts doesn't lie. You can't fake an attempted suicide. Just like the numbers don't lie about what the newer generation considers good music. There is a reason why bands like Queen are still huge. The argument that older generations always have complained about the newer one doesn't hold water here when it is very same generation today that is rejecting modern music.
Edit: Using a mic just enhances what is already there. It does not produce something like super human accuracy like Beat detective or Autotune. That is just nonsense.
Bro said "technology stifles innovation" as if pretty much every major genre of music from the past century isn't the directresult of technological innovations.
Stagnant technology stifles innovation. Go ahead and tell me what technological innovations have come out in music in the past 20 years.
@@The16thninjaAutotune? DAWs? Easier access to music making, equipment getting cheaper and cheaper to the point an entire studio is just a few hundred dollars
@@s.s9221 Autotune and DAWs have been around for over 25 years at this point. The first iPhone came out in less than 25 years than when the CD player was released for reference.
@@The16thninja Autotune and DAWs have evolved exponentially in the last 25 years, to the point that it's way easier to record music at home nowadays, which is why we got Billie Eilish. Social media is an innovation that makes it easier than back in the day for artists to find new fans which, in turn, make it easier to make more music. The equipment keeps getting better, however, that's slower than it used to be. Great music is still being made because of technology.
@@virajdeshpande3701 they really haven't evolved that much at all actually, they've just gotten a bit more intuitive and easy to use.
Social media is not a musical innovation.
Disgusting that the media will ignore this Italian-on-Italian crime
r/ShitAmericansSay
Damn. I didn’t know that constantly reorganizing my 20 different playlists multiple times per year, adding and deleting new songs, meant that I don’t actually care about music. Thanks for opening my eyes, Rick! 😂
I even have two playlists (essentially, two tests) that every song has to pass through and be listened to multiple times before it gets added to a “permanent” playlist. This old man is yelling at clouds for sure.
Also, Rick citing “music” in Google’s search popularity is absolutely hilarious.
Rick Beato is frequently wrong.
He's said in multiple videos that he stopped doing research into his own field of study because he just thinks music isn't as good anymore.
Terrible take. The man is aware there’s good music out there. Just not in the mainstream. Lol
@@blakeunderwood1075 he chooses to ignore good new music and thinks that bad music is now all music which it definitely isn't
@@blakeunderwood1075 also the music he likes is somewhat dated, there is nothing wrong with liking 80s-00s rock, but its been a minimum of 25 years
It's not. There are all kinds of studies on lyrics, chord and rhythm changes, melodies and counter melodies, etc. Music today is way dumbed down. Where are the anthems and ear worms that will stand the test of time?
Listen to more music
Two strongest points in this video for me:
1. It is absolutely true that back in the worshiped "classic rock" era there was mountains of trash and we only remember the few really good records now. I'm 69. I was there. When I was 13/14 around '67/'68 there were four songs in total that blew my mind compared to anything else. I can see For Miles by the Who, Hey Jude by The Beatles, Jumping Jack Flash and Honky Tonk Women by The Stones. Just four songs out of thousands that for me were head and shoulders above everything else I heard back then. Those were the first four records I bought with my pocket money.
2. Technology constraining creativity and innovation? 100% bull crap. How exactly did the arrival of new tech in the form of the Les Paul, the strat and the Marshall head kill innovation and creativity in the 1960's?
Rick Beato should be forced to watch 200 episodes of Top of the Pops from 1968 to 1972 back to back before commenting further IMHO. That should disabuse him of some of his illusions.
Mikes and miles ? lol
Your recommendation was fkng trash lol. And you saved for a tascam ? You're as old as Rick lol
But they MADE that "trash". Now, because of shitty tech, 90% of music is trash
You guys say "mountains of trash" but never name actual examples.
Alternate title: Old Man Yells At SoundCloud
Good one there😂😂
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Underrated comment
What's a 'soundcloud' heheh
GET IN THE BOOTH
the main thing I hate about Beato is the fact that instead of this endless whining he could spend those 30 minutes showcasing modern artists who actually possess and present those qualities that he is so desperately seeking for. Imagine 5 obscure independent bands with really good music could have got exposure of 500k views. Funny thing is, people would still watch him, maybe even more.
have you watched ANY of his videos? The dude consistently praises top 40 music that he finds impressive even in the modern music sucks videos. you're just bandwagon hating on a guy and get your opinions from fantano. you can hand your brain over here since fantano does all your thinking for you
@@slobodancovek8047 talking about "bandwagon hating"
@@masterowl123 I watched fantano from the ages of 17-22 and then I realized he has no idea what he's talking about and a lot of the music that he praises sucks. I continued to watch for a few more years sporadically and then he started letting artists personal issues and political takes cloud his MUSIC reviews and I dropped him entirely. In other words, you should grow up.
@slobodancovek8047 You realized a lot of music that he praises sucks? You might just not agree with him man, it doesn't make him a bad reviewer necessarily just because of that. Like he has a lot of takes that I just flat out disagree with, but I do think he does an ok job of describing why he has that opinion, which is way more important to me than whether he really likes an album. Also I get that it can be annoying to let an artists views affect his opinion but a lot of the times that is shown through the music so I can get it. (Although sometimes it doesn't and that's where it gets annoying)
I don't know Beato but one bad take isn't enough to make me think his opinions are worthless, especially because he does seem like a nice dude. It's just that imo this take is a super boomer thought process towards music in general.
The google trends points basically says this dude has no idea what he’s talking about with music nowadays
I know right it just annoys me that he bases his whole argument on that after claiming he's good at understanding technology. Like no not at all
interest in playboi carti’s upcoming album “MUSIC” has been declining since 2004. face it, pop music is dead
It's like realizing your grandpa is suffering from Alzheimer's
Since mozart die everything has been downhill
*souljaboy
best of mozart has been released posthum
since Mozart started composing*
I love Classical music and Mozart too, but I beg to differ. Since J.S. Bach die, everything has been downhill ;)
@@tiluriso hahahha i was kidding by the way
Rick Beato when he forgets that Neil Peart defeated his entire argument in a song that's been on every rock station once a day since the early 80s
Wait wich one?
@@Benedetta-MarcariniThe Spirit of Radio, most likely
@@beatroot13 thank you
”All this machinery making modern music
Can still be open-hearted
Not so coldly charted, it's really just a question of your honesty”. -The Spirit of Radio
@@cosmicfool7244Yea, your honesty
Fun fact: In 1966 The Beatles single Paperback Writer was first knocked down to nr.2 by Frankies Strangers In the Night, and then a second time be Hanky Panky by Tommy James and the Shondells. Sinatra sounding like a song from the 40's and the Shondells like a cheap 50's rock'n'roll song.
SOPHIE understood the power behind technology being applied to music
Obviously, but so did so many other producers, even many that came before her?
most people don't realize how incredibly influential SOPHIE was
I absolutely couldn't agree more
She didn't however understand gravity.... 😂😂😂😂
I still miss her everyday damn it😔
Move over Kendrick vs Drake. It's time for Melon vs Rick
THEY BALD LIKE US
THEY BALD LIKE US
THEY BALD LIKE US
I hope we get another Cal Chuchesta track out of this
I love the part where you dive into the trash of the 70’s because that’s exactly the same as what people try to explain about Video Games from the early 90’s late 80’s.
There was TONS of garbage, but the sands of time have washed those games away. Thus people have rose-tinted glasses around that period of time.
i think hes saying the trash then is better than the trash now EXCPET theres now far more trash than in all the eras combined or at least will soon be
@@username.exenotfound2943 trash then was honestly just as/if not more abysmal than it is now. But like Fantano said, it’s a matter of tastes not an objective measure of what’s happening in music.
I feel like games discourse devolves into the same logic. People often can’t separate their taste from the real, historical banality of the current gen. There’s good and bad across all decades.
@@username.exenotfound2943 more trash, more good stuff, more of everything - acting like the only thing there is more of is trash means you're just doing what the old man is doing - editing. Going into a store stuffed with CD's back in the 90's = most of it was trash. You just want to focus on the non-trash. Anyway, there is some great music from people with low follows. Just like you needed to leave the top ten 30 years ago for a ton of great stuff, you have to do it now, just differently.
Exactly this! People tend to forget it and only remember the highlights. Which is understandable, that's how the human brain works. However, take a look at a random top 40 hit chart from the 60's and chances are you'll know only 1 or 2 songs.
Games from the 80's are generally bad and incredibly "small" compared to modern standards. Of course there's a fair amount of genuinely great games, but by and large the medium in the 80's was held back immensely by limited technology and low budgets.
Beato has a solid dedicated audience of boomers who haven't listened to anything made after 1979 and young guys born in the wrong generation
Yeah, everyone knows real music died at 3.30 am the day Jeff Goldblum finished shooting 'The Fly' (for some reason).
Rick has confirmation bias, he hates modern music because he cannot connect with it, then he looks for arguments to confirm his take.
He hates modern mainstream music, but sometimes he talks about new artists he likes.
Fantano does the same when the artist doesnt have the same polítics as him
@@juanluisgalvezghiggo6618because usually those politics are just hate speech lmao
@@chloeonestrogenWould say maybe half the time tops. i.e Fantano's take on that rich men south of Richmond, the Oliver Anthony song was delusional.
@@gsly6081His points about those beliefs are still very stupid and he rants for the views of his boomer audience.
I feel like Rick just keeps finding TikTok music and getting upset lol
well, who wouldn’t?
@@outlavv9892what he meant was that rick only listens to the surface level of modern music and gets all angry and upset .but ignores the modern gems that are not so popular
@fartingmantis I made this comment before he brought that up in my watch through of the video but I think it still stands. I think he's on tiktok probably has a lot of exposure to that realm of music, much of which can be absolute garbage
@@EliTheBrosephyes he need to replace spotify top 10 with some other top 10 music.
I'd be upset if I had to use tiktok, too
It’s crazy that the people who consider themselves “tr00 music fans” (Beato’s audience) rely on the radio and charts to tell them what music is out there.
You people are ridiculous. Quit making generalizations for everything. Doing the same shit as Beato
@@johnnydkota5709but it’s true, whenever these boomers complain about modern music, their frame of reference is exclusively pop radio
@@johnnydkota5709 who you calling “you people” 🤨
@@Tvsn66666You know what I mean. Why complain about generalizations and than proceed to do the same
@@NathanielSnider1017yeah, I’m gonna call bullshit on that. I’m gen x, one year away from being a millennial, and I think the quality of some specific genres - pop and popular rock music, mainly, and also now popular hip-hop - is generally in decline, and I never, ever look at charts and very rarely listen to pop radio. I still find tons of great music out there, but it’s generally as close as one can get to “underground” nowadays.
There's a lot more of EVERYTHING now. So more good and more bad. But I do miss the imperfect recording quality. It just sounds more...personal? Less sterile I guess.
My two dads are fighting
lol
Cringe
Fantaner sux but at least he means well and tries to be a nice enough guy and beato like REALLY sucks azz lololol. And you love them both which means you suck the hardest jfc lolz.
Stop watching Fantano and reconcile them
I guessing you’re adopted
Rick would lose his mind if he found out about Aphex Twin
I knew his sister, she didn't even want to talk about him.
Rick's or aphex's? @@iKnowFast
@@iKnowFastrick's sister or Aphex Twin's twin?
@@ShirubaGin probably Aphex twin. Rick's Sister randomly appearson stream sometimes in the comments.
Aphex twin also has some of the most random pieces of software used in his music so I think anyone would loose their mind at looking at his production
I'm actually so glad to hear your take on this. As a "bedroom musician" who relies heavily on my vsts and daw to make music, I felt called out by Rick. There was a part of me who felt like a poser, like my music wasn't worth listening to because I don't have the ability to mic great amps, or record live drums.
It's not like I don't want to, or wouldn't if I could. It's what I have access to, and I'm just doing my best with what I have. Thank you.
As a failed musician probably x2.5 times your age.
Get out and do them things. It's way more productive than sitting there on vst's.
I know loads of ppl who ventured out and they got things done, I was introvert and life just passed me by... :(
He doesn't have any sort of authority on anything. Yonezu Kenshi, a guy who used to make music with his digital tools holed up in his room with almost no human interaction is nowadays one of the most respected and soul-stirring artists Japan has ever seen. You keep doing your thing.
Dude I feel that. Especially because I make rock songs with no instruments and everything is programmed lmao
But honestly it feels better than when I used to play guitar on what I made because like, ALL I need to focus on now is sounds and effects
You can get WAY more expressive with technology than you can with real instruments
@@HedeccaTamer said no professional musician ever!!!!...
Good luck convincing dave grohl with that 1.
@@armondtanz I don't need to, I'm confident in what I write and don't hold it to the standards of ONE genre
I'm sure Prince would've hated 100 gecs, I don't care, because I like 100 gecs and that's what matters
I appreciate that you brought up how classist one of his arguments was, and it irks me (based on this discussion, I haven't watched the original video) that he doesn't like music becoming more accessible.
That generation seems to want to have control and power over what gets air time, attention, and, ultimately, monetization. I wonder if the realization that their power and influence is waning influences people to think of accessibility this way?
Except music is bad because old people are picking what is played and they pick the most lifeless, repetitive, dull shit to be popular.
I pointed out to rick in a comment that the way he's using Google analytics to make his point that "modern music is in decline* is wrong.
He has access to the data but he's reading it incorrectly.
He's looking for music as a search term instead of a topic. Plus when he used music as a search term he's not using the UA-cam search window.
Like who the fuck uses the word music in Google to look for music?
Realistically people look at music as a topic on UA-cam search .
But because he used analytics the way he did he's saying music interest declined by 75% since 2008 lol
And he constantly says he doesn't know how things like that work, but when he wants to use them for an argument whatever he finds is "good enough."
@@bazzfromthebackground3696 he really needs a research team if he's going to do this. It just proves how out of touch he really is.
Yeah, as a marketing professional, as soon as he showed his Google Trends charts with Music as the search term, I knew it was going to be a rough video.
Nice try pal but the numbers are loud and clear. No one is listening to music anymore. And Hip Hop, woof ⚰️, that genre is Dead.
It's the equivalent of looking for a local restaurant to go to and Goggling 'food'.
SOPHIE put more time into creating a single squishy sound from scratch than anyone has ever put into record a Les Paul through a Marshall Plexi.
YO REST IN PEACE I MISS U SOPHIE
No...
He hit a rock and doesn't exist anymore and his only fans are people who get nervous talking on the phone to Domino's
Rick forgot that electric guitars, amps, and pedals are also technology
This is such a moronic counterargument... guitars, amps and pedals don't write songs for you. They don't in any sense remove the "human factor" he goes so much on about. Please explain to me how that's comparable to autotune and AI.
Dumbing down his argument to "technology bad" is painfully juvenile and grossly misses the point.
@@ThisBirdHasFlown Fretted instruments are essentially just auto-tune for instruments, but Rick's not bemoaning how rigid sounding guitars are compared to violins. Recording music literally allows for a performance of your music to be played in someone's living room on demand as often as they'd like without you being in the same continent or even holding a guitar while they listen. It's one of the most drastic removals of the "human element" in the history of music.
You'd be hard-pressed to think of a music technology that doesn't automatize some aspect of music, and the entire history of music is a series of technological developments shaping the next generation of music. It's just that people often take the aspects of music they grew up with for granted.
@@DanChickHollaSaying fretted instruments serve as “auto tune” is an outrageous take, considering a fretted instrument is just an INDICATION of a certain note. This would differ inconsequentially from a piano and its keys. So according to your philosophy, that guided notes (e.g. frets) work as “auto tune” i guess Beethoven, Bach, and Chopin all used auto tune. Good luck making that argument to anyone lol
@@ceemac9631 If you read my whole post, you shouldn't be surprised to hear me say that Bach, Beethoven and Chopin ABSOLUTELY benefited from the technological advancements of their time. If musicians of Bach's time were as crotchety as Beato, they'd be complaining that Beethoven and Chopin could just hold a key down and let it sound for a whole measure without a trill. Those lazy twats didn't even need to over-legato, they could just hold their foot down on this magical pedal and it'd sustain the tones for them! The Moonlight Sonata is just an ode to how sloppy keyboardists' fingering could be by the late classical period.
Bach himself wrote a whole book of music showing off how his new-fangled well-tempered keyboard allowed him to play in different keys without manually retuning his instrument in-between.
I don't wish to argue about the semantics or which innovations are the most analogous, but just to address your response on fretted instruments briefly, frets are not merely an indication of a note. You cannot make an inaccurate intonation on a fretted instrument. A guitarist's technique for achieving a finger vibrato are different for a reason; moving your finger back and forth between the frets would do nothing.
@@ceemac9631 If you read my whole post, you shouldn't be surprised to hear me say that Bach, Beethoven and Chopin ABSOLUTELY benefited from the technological advancements of their time. If musicians of Bach's time were as crotchety as Beato, they'd be complaining that Beethoven and Chopin could just hold a key down and let it sound for a whole measure without a trill. Those lazy twats didn't even need to over-legato, they could just hold their foot down on this magical pedal and it'd sustain the notes for them! The Moonlight Sonata is just an ode to how sloppy keyboardists' fingering could be by the late classical period.
Bach himself wrote a whole book of music showing off how his new-fangled well-tempered keyboard allowed him to play in different keys without manually retuning his instrument in-between.
I don't wish to argue about the semantics or which innovations are the most analogous, but just to address your response on fretted instruments briefly, frets are not merely an indication of a note. You cannot make an inaccurate intonation on a fretted instrument. A guitarist's technique for achieving a finger vibrato are different for a reason; moving your finger back and forth between the frets would do nothing.
Rick is probably and subconsciously ranting about modern music because he invested a shit ton of money in his studio that no one uses, not even himself, to record music.
2:47 pigsqueal
You so wrong for that Lmao
Thinking that higher difficulty equals better quality is absolutely a Boomer mindset and the main reason I stopped paying attention to Beato
That's the dumbest thing I've heard in my life lmao. It's like saying "we should fight in wars so we become stronger." He probably says that too doesn't he
@@Blockidk-i1n Well that last statement is an extreme but not wrong entirely. If you live in total peace, you become complacent when nothing challenges you, so when time an actual threat comes back, you are so out of shape/practice.
If he used like standards of musicality in the industry instead of music, then it makes somewhat more sense.
@@MedalionDS9cool, got any actual source for that statement? Sounds something that would need some actual evidence to back up
Why do I have the feeling that the same people who say this also don't like Polyphia for being tryharders or something lol
This snipe at Beato was so upsetting that I had to go listen to Aerosmith’s 1976 masterpiece “Rocks” just to calm down
Masterpiece?
Yes@@sythe77
I'm a drummer and Beato isn't saying electronic drums can't be impactful and moving. I've been revisiting Big Black post Albini's death and you can't have a live drummer on a track like Kerosene because the composition and tone of that song is entirely dependent on the relentless, tireless and alienting quality of "Roland" creating an atmosphere so bleak and endless the narrator wants to set themselves on fire.
Beato is say that quantizing takes a live drumming performance -- with all its imperfections and nuances -- and turns it into and elctronic drum performance and in that assessment he's correct.
He plays a quantized version of "Fool in the Rain", and it sucks because Bonham intentionally utilized funk drumming techniques to play the snare hit slightly behind the hi hat as the main time keeper. The ghost note of the half time shuffle was dead on the triplet subcount.
That created tension and release by design. Quantize that and you strip all that away.
His point isn't that electronic drums are less impactful or meaningful it's that quantizing is lazy and takes subtle variations of human performance and throws them out the window.
I think quantizing can change certain aspects of drumming. I make music on the cheap as I can't afford a drumset and I resort to chopping up drum samples, quantizingis incredibly useful and dynamic tool for the right situations. I think using quantizing on songs like Fool in the Rain is a strawman because that is not a situation in which it may belong, but for jungle and other electronic genres that rely heavily on sampling? It's incredibly useful. I think it's important here to call back to what fantano was saying that it might be a problem for rock music, but there are so many ways to use this technology that generalising it based on one usage in one genre is ridiculous
Ultimately a song is the sum of its parts. If you have an amazing live drum performance but the rest of the instruments can't support it (and vice versa), what good is it? If electronic drums can improve it, who cares?
See you are showing insight as you actually understand how music operates. Not even worth talking to these people. They have no clue how music functions at an extremely expert level but “because that sounds good to me” is a valid argument.
No, being an expert doesn’t mean you automatically know music, but if these people could name me 25 bands that I’ve never heard of, then they would have more credit. But they listen to the heavy hitters, and tell me they understand a decade of music.
If all you have is a stellar drum track you've got more problems than whether or not to use quantizing or electronic drums.
Again context matters. Sure if electronic drums can save a crappy band performance use away but in reality how often is that the case?
Again I assert Beato is basically saying quantizing can be used in ways that is lazy in the context of more "live" sounding music that can strip away the character of a performance. But the more likely scenario is you have a drummer who chokes in the studio but play great live. That's extremely common. In those cases either using a studio drummer or quantizing makes perfect sense.
I think he's both right and wrong. Quantizing is overused as a lazy way to get er done but he's wrong in that there aren't justifiable uses for quantizing in supposed live oriented recording genres. If your budget doesn't allow for a studio drummer then quantizing ia your friend.
Danny Carey said that a lot of the newer generation thinks that maybe what he's doing is fundamentally incorrect because it doesn't always come out the exact same time. Maybe a few seconds shorter, a few seconds long, depending on energy levels and that day. And Danny was relevant in the 90s and still is the best drummer on the planet. And when asked about a click track, he said it would be hard pressed to find one that would actually work or keep up with what he does.
Rick Beato is unironically an old man yelling at the clouds.
At least he's self-aware.
@@gclip9883 Awareness isn't a redeeming trait, Bojack.
Rap sucks. You're just too afraid to say it
@@eadred9164 Nobody cares what you think, Eadred. Worry about the Vikings instead of getting mad about a music genre you don’t like.
I remember being a teenager in the early 2000s, not being able to afford even a single input interface or a cheap condenser mic to record music on our family pentium 2 PC. I remember dreaming about being signed by a record deal, just so I would finally be able to record the songs that I want at a quality that I wanted. Now I'm 37, not a famous rockstar or anything but I still enjoy playing and recording music. If not for the advancement of technology, every single gear I own now would have been beyond my financial reach.
I'm not that old and I remember conversations about "music being better when I was young" from people older than me when I was a kid, a teenager, a young adult and now a 30 something. Sometimes I was defending current music and sometimes I was frustrated with it. It's normal to feel out of touch sometimes. But if you're really interested in finding new music just keep looking. Talk to friends, see what they're enjoying. Listen to genres you might not normally put on. Share stuff with other people. And just have an open mind. You're not going to like it all. And you never did. Even when you claim music was at its peak, whatever decade that was, there was crap you thought was over produced garbage. It was always there. It's not going anywhere. Producers will always try and make the most radio friendly stuff that sells the most copies. Or gets the most streams. That's just the business part of the music business. And it's always been a business. Always.
Agree with everything you said, & the key really is an open mind. I'm 50 now, & for a lot of years I was like "The grunge era was the best ever & nothing good has come out since", which of course is ridiculous, but that's what happens when you close your mind off. There was a *ton* of trash music in the early/mid 90's, but of course I romanticized Soundgarden & Alice in Chains & Garbage & Nine Inch Nails & RATM & Pearl Jam, & all the terrible stuff has just faded away. It's only in the past 10-15 years that I've really tried to open myself back up, & it's been so rewarding to find amazing artists like Lana Del Rey, Phoebe Bridgers, Rival Sons, Wolf Alice, Etta Marcus, Dirty Honey & on & on. Sure, I can always just listen to Dirt or Ten or Superunknown for the millionth time, & I'll love those albums forever, but it's such a cool feeling to find something brand new that's awesome too.
@@PlanetTerror406as soon as I read the bands you romanticized, I thought you'd probably enjoy Wolf Alice!
I personally don't give a sh*t what people listen to. We default into tribalism over anything. It must be an American thing?
It's the same if you're 40 confirmed. :)
@@PlanetTerror406 I have a pretty large vinyl collection. 60% of what my mother and father had was crap. 30% are albums, where only one song is good. 10% is really good. And I would bet it's relatively the same now.
I am over 60 years old and come from England( the country where most of Rick’s music came from) I can tell you that we had more than our share of radio rubbish in the 1960s and especially the 70s.
Personally I think the (best) music produced today is some of the best I’ve ever heard. I am a great fan of Logic Pro. And I was old enough to record on 24 track tape in the 1980s
Fantano's not mad, Rick. He's disappointed.
I find Ricks balancing act between "Labels are bad and destroy music" and "all those pesky kids with their self-produced music suck" really interesting tbh.
This
Rick's more like 'labels are bad/blockers'. I don't see him saying anything like 'self-produced music sucks'. He's never said that.
@@ZiddersRooFurry L
He own music is also awful watch when he got together his old 1990s band there rubbish
@@ZiddersRooFurry his opinions on modern music can essentially be boiled down to that. Just because you haven't heard all his opinions doesn't mean anything
Rick is the embodiment of the “old man yells at cloud” meme.
exactly. he is annoying and always bitches about modern day music :/
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Rick's followup pic is literally that.
yes the man always has super boomer takes
he rage and nostalgia baits for boomers who thinks "new music is so bad!"
I'm a boomer that is around the same age as Beato. Like anyone offering an opinion, there are things I agree with, and ones that I don't agree with. Just because it was made years ago with big recording budgets and fancy producers/engineers, that didn't necessarily make for great music. There were no streaming services or UA-cam that I could check out artists albums. I'd hear a song on the radio I liked, and would sometimes buy the album. Many times, the song that got radio play was the only good song on the album. I'm not a guy who can sit and listen to the same old shit over and over. I'm always trying to find new music I dig, and there is a lot out there. I have friends who still only listen to music that's 40-50 years old and can't be bothered to find new artists. Maybe Beato is secretly bitter that the current music situation has all but driven out producers and sometimes engineers. A person has to roll with the changes, or get left behind.
rick beato music theory analysis, WE IN
rick beato music opnions, we sleep.
He's right, though.
opinion*
@@sombra1111 he isn't right about anything. it's just his opinion based on his own preferences
I keep telling him this
@@sharp5flat9 😅
I made a song in Garageband on iOS when I got my first iPad. I have the tiniest amount of recollection regarding the music theory I learned playing trumpet in elementary school. Which is to say, essentially none.
I was proud of the song though. I'm not talking about being proud enough to try to sell it to anyone or play it at a party. Just something I made, that I thought sounded really cool and fitting for my musical tastes.
Then, I worked on it a bit. I went through and changed the drum beats to not all have the same velocity, so they didn't sound so "electronic". Things like that, which I learned over years. I'd see some new "trick" I can use, and I applied it to my song.
Finally, I reached a point where I thought it was "done". I let a few friends and family members listen to it. Many of them liked it enough to ask me to send them a copy, and I even had a few actually listening to it of their own accord. That was cool as hell.
Then, I let a friend of mine who has been in a handful of bands listen to it. I didn't tell him it was mine. He seemed to enjoy it and asked who it was. I showed him how I made it in garage band.
He suddenly hated it and I had to listen to an hour and a half rant about how making music in any DAW is not actually making music. He said "anyone can push some buttons and turn some knobs, it takes years and years to learn how to play an 'actual instrument'".
I guess he expected me to feel somehow inferior. I didn't. I never said I played an instrument. I never said "this song is better than any song you ever made." I just made a song I thought sounded cool.
Strangely, he got really upset when I said, "Yeah well, anyone can strum some metal strings on an electric guitar being fed through 17 pedals, I miss when people played real instruments like a Mammoth leg-bone striking a rock."
You shoulda said "Ok. Reproduce it exactly." Non-arguements deserve non-answers.
@@bazzfromthebackground3696yeah that's pretty much it, "anyone can do it" then here's the daw, go ahead, let's see how long and how far you get.
Making anything takes the same amount of effort no matter what you're using to do it, and I'd argue that making up an entire song in a daw takes way more time and skill than playing a real instrument.
Ok.👍🏼
@@tsg_frank I wouldn't even want to get into an argument about the effort it takes to do something one way, over another. Did the person that made it enjoy the process? Did people who experienced the end result, enjoy that experience?
That's all that matters.
rick beato more like click baito
yes
Absolute magic. You win today.
Exactly. It all boils down to this.
gottem
effing destroyed beato on that one lololol
Anotonio Flamingobottom:
“The largest moment of singularity… in 2024.”
Diddy: Hold my Baby Oil.
all of his vids abt the state of ‘modern music’ gives me the vibes he only listens to pop radio stations
That's what he's referring to... modern mainstream music.
@@ThisBirdHasFlownWhich believe it or not… isn’t all pop!
@@ThisBirdHasFlownI agree that most (but definitely not all) of the chart topping hit songs are bland. But there’s a huge amount of great music getting made if you dig a just little bit deeper. The problem with Rick Beato and his audience is that they don’t ACTUALLY want to discover good new music, they just want to complain. If Beato thinks that the songs on the Top 10 Singles chart suck, then he should use his channel to promote musicians who aren’t on the charts. Which he occasionally does, but not nearly as often as he posts his lazy “This Ed Sheeran song is boring, therefore good music is completely dead” videos.
He usually pulls data from top streams
Well, I've often heard some variation of, "Good music is out there, you just have to look for it."
To which I think, "I didn't have to look for it before. I just had to turn on my radio."
It's appalling Beato didn't mention Spotify's algorithm and pay as why "music sucks now", that's like a free throw.
He said in his follow up video, that it was spotify's fault.... Do you live under a rock?
@@Seth9809 no little brother instead of wasting my time watching beato farm engagement i spent that valuable time helping people in need and then making love to my beautiful wife . but i hope keeping up with this little discourse more than 11 days late is treating you well man
@@Seth9809 yes patrick speaking how can i help
10:28 This is *such* a common and frustrating fallacy I've seen people fall for time and again. The reason shit from the '60s, '70s, '80s etc. uniformly sounds good to us now is because time has largely sorted the good shit from the bad, which is not the case for more recent eras of music. There are forgotten gems, underrated albums and cult classics, absolutely, but so much stuff that was forgotten was mediocre and not that interesting, and no one talks about them anymore. This leaves only the albums that have still held up as the ones we talk about the most, and this is how people come to perceive all music from these periods of time.
The thing is people *today* see the albums that *were* remembered whilst either not being aware of or deliberately leaving out the bad shit no one cares about, and then use that to say 'oh all music from x time period was great, not like today' - when time hasn't sorted the good from the bad for modern music yet. Give it 20 or 30 years and you'll have people in the 2040s and 2050s talking about how music today sucks and the 2010s was so much better - when time has already forgotten the Lil Xans and Six Feet Unders of the world, making a myopic argument like that all the more easy to make.
I remember this coming up when you were talking about that moron Paul Joseph Watson and his deification of '90s music vs. modern stuff; it's surprising to see someone as well-read as Rick Beato fall into the same trap. But I guess it's an extremely pervasive mentality you see everywhere, from all sorts of people.
True. Leif Garrett kinda sucked. Nobody talks about him these days
"Music today sucks, TPAB was peak musak ✊️"
Yeah but saying every era has good music and bad music is also kinda naive. I mean is true but what are you saying that is impossible for the industry to get worse or better? Sometimes music does get worse the same way sometimes the white rhinoceros get extinct, birth rate declines, life expectancie increases... things get better or worse some times.
Yeah I collect records and go to record stores all the time. Good albums you have to look and find. Crates in used record stores and thrift stores are filled with forgotten slop.
The big problem people with that line of thinking have is that they don't understand the record industry and the technology behind music consumption has changed drastically in the last decade. The radio and labels don't matter any more, streaming has fractured the mainstream. Now, you could say King Gizzard is mainstream, WILLOW is mainstream, Destroy Boys are mainstream. They get millions of monthly listeners on Spotify alone. I am Gen Z and most other Gen Zers I know listen to artists like these, as well as popular and unknown rappers.
You have millions of people listening to you back in the 70s you were guaranteed some form of chart success or at least wide radio play. The hot 100 doesn't represent the popular music scene anymore.
@@angelsunemtoledocabllero5801 I don't think it's naïve at all; it simply is the case. If what I'm saying sounds like a response which has a limited view on the question 'are things getting worse?', it's because I'm not even seeking to answer that question here, I'm just refuting the line of thinking I'm talking about. A line of thinking that is an even more limited view on that question, one which is pretty much incorrect and also dismissive of all the great music being made now.
No one is saying it's not possible for things to get worse or better, it's more that this all too common mentality is a fallacy, it's an error of reasoning. If you want to argue things are getting worse, pointing to the classics of the past and going 'things suck now!' is not how to do it, because it's an argument that holds no water and is based on a limited view of history. It doesn't tell us anything other than 'we remember the good things', which is something that should be obvious but apparently goes over the heads of people that make this very argument.
My parents hated the 60s music.
My children hate the 60s music
Oh well, I’ll just have my 19th nervous breakdown.