Subtle Bodies: Sheldrake Vernon Dialogue 44
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- Опубліковано 5 січ 2025
- Many wisdom traditions say that the physical body is just one order of embodiment in the natural world. Rupert Sheldrake and Mark Vernon discuss ‘subtle bodies’ as dimensions of reality. They explore the terminology developed by Rudolf Steiner and ask how it relates to notions such as the dream body. They relate these ideas to those of Aristotle’s ancient notion of the soul, as well as Rupert’s own theories of morphic fields. The conversation ranges over the unconscious in psychotherapy, speculations in science about panpsychism, and phenomena such as angels.
Dr Rupert Sheldrake, PhD, is a biologist and author best known for his hypothesis of morphic resonance. At Cambridge University he worked in developmental biology as a Fellow of Clare College. He was Principal Plant Physiologist at the International Crops Research Institute for the Semi-Arid Tropics and From 2005 to 2010 was Director of the Perrott-Warrick project, Cambridge.
www.sheldrake.org
Dr Mark Vernon is a writer and psychotherapist. He contributes to programmes on the radio, writes and reviews for newspapers and magazines, gives talks and podcasts. His books have covered themes including friendship and God, ancient Greek philosophy and wellbeing. His new book, out August 2019, is A Secret History of Christianity: Jesus, the Last Inkling and the Evolution of Consciousness. He has a PhD in ancient Greek philosophy, and other degrees in physics and in theology, and works as a psychotherapist in private practice. He used to be an Anglican priest.
www.markvernon.com
great duo, there is a good balance of wisdom and knowledge
Always loved your work Rupert, keep up the good work to both of you. How wonderful to be able to listen to this content!!! 👍🏽
Rudolf Steiner added little to that unveiled by H.P. Blavatsky and her Masters (Mahatmas) through Theosophy - a modern reformulation of the ageless wisdom tradition..
- A 'brief' synopsis of the Seven-Fold Constitution of Man can be found here - bit.ly/2A6bRph
- A 'comprehensive' breakdown here - bit.ly/2A8bjPL
- An 'entire book' by British Theosophist, Geoffrey Farthing titled 'Deity, Cosmos, and Man' - bit.ly/2A8bjPL
Gentlemen, Thank you both. Have you considered a discussion on the topic of Divination and how variations of the term "mancy" have permeated across language & cultures ?
Geomancy, Romance, Dance, Romany, Omen, Tarot, Astrology etc.
The notion of a subtle body is certainly known in early Buddhist understanding. Buddhism has the idea of Nama Rupa, mind and form or mentality(four types) and expressed materiality. Rupa , often called the Five Aggregates. Additionally there are the three levels of conditioned existence, ie, Kama or sensual, Rupa, fine material and Arupa or formless(immaterial)that can be the basis for the manifestation of the five aggregates, according to past actions and intentions, ie Karma.
Hello, Rupert. Gosh, you're learned! You know every natural science! I wish that I could talk to you.
Esotericist, good word!
Gibsonian ecological psychology. Up to date version of this. Perception is based information! Out there.
Interesting subject and comparing different traditions. According to Eastern tradition the individual embodied soul doesn't invent but rather discovers creation, on the other hand, if we are created in God's image we would, theoretically, have a limited (as opposed to unlimited) capacity to create our own universe. Although, having said that, these proposals are not necessarily opposing views.
I find Rupert's discourse consistently engaging and he generally stays on point. This can hardly be said about the ramblings of Mr. Vernon, who consistently prefaces his remarks with "I feel," and "I believe." It is highly questionable whether Mr. Vernon brings much to this "dialogue." Notice how often, for example, the frequency Mr. Vernon uses the pronoun "I." In any event, Mr. Vernon is out of his league trying to keep up with Rupert.
Steiner sort of lost me with the strapping cosmologies. Outline of the Occult Sciences was interesting but he started to lose me when he talked about transitions between Lemurian, Atlantean, and modern. Philosophy of Spiritual Activity was more enjoyable at least because it discussed something that I think I've observed, ie. something like the source of consciousness pealing off at a 90 degree angle from spacial axes or in a way being a bit analogous to what happens if and when you divide by zero.
Try Knowledge of the Higher Worlds for something that might be more "relatable".
re: devas: s’iva and jiva are one ☝🏼 i.e., the soul is One With God. we’re nested hierarchies. i think we need to understand our place and it’s limits in the hierarchy, as we live. after death, all bets are off. S’iva and Jiva are One, S’iva and S’akti are one. Jiva and S’akti are one.
the human deva is in rebellion, raising hell, very bad habits. that is, we think we can do better than God for ourselves. ignorance, of course is an endemic plague.
we are made in the Image of God - Creators.
… just saying
“Quantum field” makes no sense.
quantum quackery the medium is aether