French philosopher and mysticist Simone Weil said that Hell doesn't exist. Damned souls are in heaven, too, but their damnation make them unable to see it for what it really is.
correct, it's the same spirit side as everyone goes too, they are just unable too see it because their light is too dim, but they will get out, they will all be ok, i've been there too, it sucks, it can last for eons, but it's not forever.
Indeed, this is more or less the Eastern Orthodox view of it, too, such as Ss John Chrysostom or Basil framing that as the resurrected soul is seen as inconsumable then the hell of the one who cannot perceive (or actively hates) the love of God sees this glory of experience as an unquenchable fire. (That said, the ancient Christian writers certainly don't exegete an entirely homogenous nor tidy view.)
This isn't unlike a popular Orthodox Christian view. The fire of Pentecost and the fire of hell are one and the same. One either experiences the presence of the divine light as a bliss that one can lean in to, or it is experienced as a torment from the light it sheds on the error of the pattern of being reflected in (or as) one's soul.
Hell is around us, you experience it every day in the world we live and if you are not aware of its existence and power of destruction, it manipulates you through your words, violence, and self harm thoughts and can destroy anyone.
I'm very glad you did discuss this. It was very interesting. I didn't know what the sin against the holy spirit was before this. I hate horror films - I can't watch anything like that. Even in book form. They upset me for weeks or longer. Wonderful discussion. Thank you both. And to the listener who suggested this topic.
I enjoy all of your discussions,and find both of your voices so calming. Its so reassuring to find other humans thoughtfully articulating in a cogent and linear manner, particularly when their views resonate with mine.
I have listened to all your conversations and I enjoy it every time. I myself am a searching athëist, not educated in the tradition of faith. The things you discuss are clearing a kind of way and open to see where I stand. And the conversations are always so polite, that makes me happy and reassures me. 1000 x thanx! Love D
I've also heard that the "judgement" that occurs at death goes along with the "life review," where one sees in an instant, their whole life. And it is one's own judgement, rather than some outside agency, that can feel like a hellish or terrifying experience. I have also read that that moment of seeing one's life and one's response to it, can have an effect on the next stage of development. Thus, in Tibetan Buddhism, one is trained to see that "judgement" with as little emotional response as possible, so that no more negative karma is added to one's tally, so to speak. Some people believe that our embodied life is hell--or perhaps purgatory. I think it can be, but is not necessarily so.
thank you for this very illuminating discussion. My own upbringing was liberal United Cjurch of Canada but I attended a Baptist youth group with much talk of sin and punishment. I remember even at age 9 or 10 having trouble feeling at all sinful so I concluded I'd stick with my own church and it's God of love.
Hell is that punishment abyss we fear when we're judged for our bad deeds. I think this is human instinct not from religion. I wasn't brought up with any religion yet I've always had some sense of final karma, punishment. Not necessarily some raging inferno supervised by a horned devil with a red hot poker, more just something worth avoiding if at all possible, in our subconscious, to keep you on straight and narrow path
I really liked the concluding thought where you truly sin against the holy spirit by reaching a place of absolute hopelessness, because that means that you are all alone and no-one can help you. Not even the holy spirit. It is the most disconnected state you can be in which, to me at least, represents hell itself.
So in effect you indeed reach hell by sinning against the holy spirit, just not in the way that its being taught. You deny it by reaching a state of hopelessness, and thus you enter psychological state which represents hell.
Life is a paradox, there is clearly a thin veil between this physical place and the real place of life. Little is really understood about life in Egypt before being overrun shortly after the sacking of the library of Alexandria. The original Egyptians fled and the Muslims moved in. This heaven and hell thing was invented to control the masses. There is so much more to the other side. All that is there is love. These things I say is related to my NDE.
You are talking in riddles and explaining nothing. I am a 65yr old British man, reasonably well educated, and I am at a loss to make any sense at all of your statements. Except the bit explaining controlling the masses. Which I agree with you. But I am thinking 14th century Europe, not ancient Egypt, because I know very little of it.
Thanks for this excellent commentary. I learned some things I did not know about the Anglican version of Christianity being so different than the hellfire one I grew up in. I believe it is spiritual abuse and it took me 12 years to fully break free from that energetic entanglement. I personally feel that hell and heaven are frequencies. I believe we can experience them in any state of consciousness/dimension we exist in, aligning with wherever our soul resonates with a vibrational match. A musical scale of the soul where the only desire, whether consciousness exists in a wave of particle, is to ascend closer to Source/God/Creator. We are all One. When one ascends, all ascend, spiralling out across infinite frequencies that are born from Source. Love is the only religion we should follow. Then we can be a true global society of ONE race...the human race. 💜
"Men are not in hell because God is angry with them; they are in wrath and darkness because they have done to the light, which infinitely flows forth from God, as that man does to the light of the sun, who puts out his own eyes." William Law
I think N.T Wright wrote that this life itself, is a place of purgatory for the Christian. However, as he is not an Catholic, he doesn't posit that purgatory continues into the afterlife. I think it logically does, as many are not Saintly enough to experience the Beautific vision on their death. The majority of people are not "monsters" but they are not Saints either. They are still attached in some way to the things of this world. They are not so depraved as to be sent to a Hell, but are not so Saintly to go straight to Heaven either. Purgatory is the process of breaking the soul's attachments, to the things of this life.
It is my understanding that Jesus Christ died on the cross for the forgiveness of sins according to the New Testament. Without making a value judgement, and just trying to posit a legitimate question based on my understanding of reality; if there is no eternal judgement, then why did Jesus die on the cross ?
I didn't think I could be so enlightened from a conversation about hell! lol Yes, it was very interesting. It was also very helpful to me personally, because like Mark, I used to worry if I had sinned against the Holy Ghost (due to a feeling of disconnection with God, which I didn't even cause). But the very thought that I was worried about it meant that I hoped I didn't commit this grave sin and therefore hoped that I could move on. It makes a lot more sense that this sin is when we actively stop wanting and accepting help and we then remain stuck in hell.
In Catholicism (at least as I received in years ago), the worst sin one could commit was despair--defined as, giving up on the love and forgiveness of God--giving up Hope. (Clearly "sin" here does not exactly mean a transgression, as much as it means going into some state of Being. Perhaps it is despair that is the "sin against the Holy Spirit" as the HS represents that love and oneness with God.
The truth is that your conciousness lives forever weather you believe in god or not or weather you are good or bad. Of course religion does not want you to know that because people would stop going to church for the unnecesary rituals or money donations.
Amazing video sir but is it possible to make a video about neo Darwinism explaining how your view of evolution differs from that of people such of Dawkins. Thank you
Correction: Catholics don’t believe hell is empty, they hope for the saving of all souls but they believe in the reality of hell for people that are unrepentant.
Some Bible translations use the word “hell” for the Hebrew word “Sheol” and the matching Greek word “Hades,” both of which refer to the common grave of mankind. (Psalm 16:10; Acts 2:27) Many people believe in a fiery hell. However, the Bible teaches otherwise. Those in hell are unconscious and so cannot feel pain. “There is no work nor devising nor knowledge nor wisdom in Sheol.”-Ecclesiastes 9:10. Good people go to hell. The faithful men Jacob and Job expected to go there.-Genesis 37:35; Job 14:13. Death, not torment in a fiery hell, is the penalty for sin. “He who has died has been acquitted from his sin.”-Romans 6:7. Eternal torment would violate God’s justice. (Deuteronomy 32:4) When the first man, Adam, sinned, God told him that his punishment would simply be to pass out of existence: “Dust you are and to dust you will return.” (Genesis 3:19) God would have been lying if he were actually sending Adam to a fiery hell. God does not even contemplate eternal torment. The idea that he would punish people in hellfire is contrary to the Bible’s teaching that “God is love.”-1 John 4:8; Jeremiah 7:31. www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/what-is-hell/#?insight
That was a good discussion... All of the traits of Hell & Purgatory are found here on Earth... Does that mean this is Hell / Purgatory depending on your state of mind? Does that mean there is no separate Hell? We do seem to be ruled by demons....
The Bible teaches that death is total. No awareness. Ecclesiastes 3:19 ; 9:10 There is no place of everlasting torture.Its a Pagan concept adopted by the early Apostate Church.
I did not know people get scared from horror films. Is this true? As a child they never scared me as an adult they have bored me to tears if I've ever tried to watch one
I am sooo glad my parents DID NOT say YOU must be christians, Jewish.whatever - They said - YOU must study, and decide for yourself. I guess that is rare...........I just love God........no problemo...........but DNA-wise, I am Jewish and Cherokee. cheers
And I am soooo glad I chose to incarnate into a family of conservative Scottish Christians in which one of our glorious hymns rejoiced in "God our Father, Christ our brother" which I didn't fully appreciate until almost eighty years later. I'm Hebrew-Israelite.
you are telling just stories and deny that the true name of GOD was translated . but the truth is that there is no one worth to be worshiped exept ALLAH.
Excellent discussion. Thank you.
French philosopher and mysticist Simone Weil said that Hell doesn't exist. Damned souls are in heaven, too, but their damnation make them unable to see it for what it really is.
correct, it's the same spirit side as everyone goes too, they are just unable too see it because their light is too dim, but they will get out, they will all be ok, i've been there too, it sucks, it can last for eons, but it's not forever.
Indeed, this is more or less the Eastern Orthodox view of it, too, such as Ss John Chrysostom or Basil framing that as the resurrected soul is seen as inconsumable then the hell of the one who cannot perceive (or actively hates) the love of God sees this glory of experience as an unquenchable fire. (That said, the ancient Christian writers certainly don't exegete an entirely homogenous nor tidy view.)
This isn't unlike a popular Orthodox Christian view. The fire of Pentecost and the fire of hell are one and the same. One either experiences the presence of the divine light as a bliss that one can lean in to, or it is experienced as a torment from the light it sheds on the error of the pattern of being reflected in (or as) one's soul.
@@danielberdichevsky9998 So a few centuries is tolerable?
@@ColtraneTaylor not even one second is tolerable
Hell is around us, you experience it every day in the world we live and if you are not aware of its existence and power of destruction, it manipulates you through your words, violence, and self harm thoughts and can destroy anyone.
I really enjoy these discussions. I hope they keep coming!
I'm very glad you did discuss this. It was very interesting. I didn't know what the sin against the holy spirit was before this. I hate horror films - I can't watch anything like that. Even in book form. They upset me for weeks or longer. Wonderful discussion. Thank you both. And to the listener who suggested this topic.
I enjoy all of your discussions,and find both of your voices so calming. Its so reassuring to find other humans thoughtfully articulating in a cogent and linear manner, particularly when their views resonate with mine.
I have listened to all your conversations and I enjoy it every time. I myself am a searching athëist, not educated in the tradition of faith. The things you discuss are clearing a kind of way and open to see where I stand. And the conversations are always so polite, that makes me happy and reassures me. 1000 x thanx! Love D
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I've also heard that the "judgement" that occurs at death goes along with the "life review," where one sees in an instant, their whole life. And it is one's own judgement, rather than some outside agency, that can feel like a hellish or terrifying experience. I have also read that that moment of seeing one's life and one's response to it, can have an effect on the next stage of development. Thus, in Tibetan Buddhism, one is trained to see that "judgement" with as little emotional response as possible, so that no more negative karma is added to one's tally, so to speak. Some people believe that our embodied life is hell--or perhaps purgatory. I think it can be, but is not necessarily so.
So much Thanks...
Wonderful conversation. Thank you!
thank you for this very illuminating discussion. My own upbringing was liberal United Cjurch of Canada but I attended a Baptist youth group with much talk of sin and punishment. I remember even at age 9 or 10 having trouble feeling at all sinful so I concluded I'd stick with my own church and it's God of love.
Hell is that punishment abyss we fear when we're judged for our bad deeds. I think this is human instinct not from religion. I wasn't brought up with any religion yet I've always had some sense of final karma, punishment. Not necessarily some raging inferno supervised by a horned devil with a red hot poker, more just something worth avoiding if at all possible, in our subconscious, to keep you on straight and narrow path
Well i agree it were a form of " do your homework or no tv" however i now belive the key to hay these is saying hello. Im just sayin.
I really liked the concluding thought where you truly sin against the holy spirit by reaching a place of absolute hopelessness, because that means that you are all alone and no-one can help you. Not even the holy spirit.
It is the most disconnected state you can be in which, to me at least, represents hell itself.
So in effect you indeed reach hell by sinning against the holy spirit, just not in the way that its being taught. You deny it by reaching a state of hopelessness, and thus you enter psychological state which represents hell.
I believe Narcissists are in this hellish state.
Hell is a self-created state of consciousness ...
I love when people talk about these things like they KNOW
@@raymorel1971 Yeah.
Thank you Rupert.
A very interesting discussion which I suspect many will find quite healing.
Subbed. In fact I don't know why I didn't years ago.
Emanuel Swedenborg has a very cool system describing Hell.
Life is a paradox, there is clearly a thin veil between this physical place and the real place of life. Little is really understood about life in Egypt before being overrun shortly after the sacking of the library of Alexandria. The original Egyptians fled and the Muslims moved in. This heaven and hell thing was invented to control the masses. There is so much more to the other side. All that is there is love. These things I say is related to my NDE.
You are talking in riddles and explaining nothing. I am a 65yr old British man, reasonably well educated, and I am at a loss to make any sense at all of your statements. Except the bit explaining controlling the masses. Which I agree with you. But I am thinking 14th century Europe, not ancient Egypt, because I know very little of it.
Not all NDEs are loving. Some are hellish. So where does that leave you?
Thanks for this excellent commentary. I learned some things I did not know about the Anglican version of Christianity being so different than the hellfire one I grew up in. I believe it is spiritual abuse and it took me 12 years to fully break free from that energetic entanglement.
I personally feel that hell and heaven are frequencies. I believe we can experience them in any state of consciousness/dimension we exist in, aligning with wherever our soul resonates with a vibrational match.
A musical scale of the soul where the only desire, whether consciousness exists in a wave of particle, is to ascend closer to Source/God/Creator.
We are all One. When one ascends, all ascend, spiralling out across infinite frequencies that are born from Source.
Love is the only religion we should follow. Then we can be a true global society of ONE race...the human race. 💜
"Men are not in hell because God is angry with them; they are in wrath and darkness because they have done to the light, which infinitely flows forth from God, as that man does to the light of the sun, who puts out his own eyes." William Law
Soy nuevo en el canal, ya ha hablado acerca de sus diálogos con Krishnamurti y si estos tuvieron un impacto en su vida ?
Evidentemente sí lo tuvo, me alegra que lo comentes. Saludos
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quite a jump from 'morphic fields to Hell, angels, etc'.with every new video ,Sheldrake is turning from fringe scientist to spiritual teacher...
Hell is the impossibility of reason
Dr Rupert can u discuss about astrology???
I think N.T Wright wrote that this life itself, is a place of purgatory for the Christian. However, as he is not an Catholic, he doesn't posit that purgatory continues into the afterlife. I think it logically does, as many are not Saintly enough to experience the Beautific vision on their death. The majority of people are not "monsters" but they are not Saints either. They are still attached in some way to the things of this world. They are not so depraved as to be sent to a Hell, but are not so Saintly to go straight to Heaven either. Purgatory is the process of breaking the soul's attachments, to the things of this life.
It is my understanding that Jesus Christ died on the cross for the forgiveness of sins according to the New Testament. Without making a value judgement, and just trying to posit a legitimate question based on my understanding of reality; if there is no eternal judgement, then why did Jesus die on the cross ?
I didn't think I could be so enlightened from a conversation about hell! lol
Yes, it was very interesting. It was also very helpful to me personally, because like Mark, I used to worry if I had sinned against the Holy Ghost (due to a feeling of disconnection with God, which I didn't even cause). But the very thought that I was worried about it meant that I hoped I didn't commit this grave sin and therefore hoped that I could move on. It makes a lot more sense that this sin is when we actively stop wanting and accepting help and we then remain stuck in hell.
Vernon is not talking from experience, he is telling stories he heard. Not sure about Sheldrake
The St Peter at the gates thing comes from Egypt and Anubis right?
If you are half Chinese and half British, how can you merge with your ancestors then, since you are of mixed ancestry.
I was upset to find Buddhists had their own hells. I thought their version would be different but not in terms of the severity of punishment.
In Catholicism (at least as I received in years ago), the worst sin one could commit was despair--defined as, giving up on the love and forgiveness of God--giving up Hope. (Clearly "sin" here does not exactly mean a transgression, as much as it means going into some state of Being. Perhaps it is despair that is the "sin against the Holy Spirit" as the HS represents that love and oneness with God.
All I know on the subject of hell is the idea of an all-loving God sending people to hell for eternity is ludicrous
The truth is that your conciousness lives forever weather you believe in god or not or weather you are good or bad. Of course religion does not want you to know that because people would stop going to church for the unnecesary rituals or money donations.
"Hell is where the heart is"
Amazing video sir but is it possible to make a video about neo Darwinism explaining how your view of evolution differs from that of people such of Dawkins. Thank you
Please see my interview with Joe Rogan for more on Darwinism: www.sheldrake.org/videos/interview-with-joe-rogan?highlight=WyJkYXJ3aW5pc20iXQ==
Yes Rupert. Demons deny God and the holy spirit
Correction: Catholics don’t believe hell is empty, they hope for the saving of all souls but they believe in the reality of hell for people that are unrepentant.
Some Bible translations use the word “hell” for the Hebrew word “Sheol” and the matching Greek word “Hades,” both of which refer to the common grave of mankind. (Psalm 16:10; Acts 2:27) Many people believe in a fiery hell. However, the Bible teaches otherwise.
Those in hell are unconscious and so cannot feel pain. “There is no work nor devising nor knowledge nor wisdom in Sheol.”-Ecclesiastes 9:10.
Good people go to hell. The faithful men Jacob and Job expected to go there.-Genesis 37:35; Job 14:13.
Death, not torment in a fiery hell, is the penalty for sin. “He who has died has been acquitted from his sin.”-Romans 6:7.
Eternal torment would violate God’s justice. (Deuteronomy 32:4) When the first man, Adam, sinned, God told him that his punishment would simply be to pass out of existence: “Dust you are and to dust you will return.” (Genesis 3:19) God would have been lying if he were actually sending Adam to a fiery hell.
God does not even contemplate eternal torment. The idea that he would punish people in hellfire is contrary to the Bible’s teaching that “God is love.”-1 John 4:8; Jeremiah 7:31.
www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/what-is-hell/#?insight
Interesting
Hell is what we are turning this world into.
A state of mind...
That was a good discussion... All of the traits of Hell & Purgatory are found here on Earth...
Does that mean this is Hell / Purgatory depending on your state of mind?
Does that mean there is no separate Hell? We do seem to be ruled by demons....
The Bible teaches that death is total. No awareness. Ecclesiastes 3:19 ; 9:10 There is no place of everlasting torture.Its a Pagan concept adopted by the early Apostate Church.
A Des O'Connor gig ?
I did not know people get scared from horror films. Is this true? As a child they never scared me as an adult they have bored me to tears if I've ever tried to watch one
Hell is Airbnb
Amyz Roseagain LOL Love it!
I don't believe the Christian view of hell is this complicated. That the sign on the gate to hell reads "NO HOPE".
Europe , in the time of the plague ?
I am sooo glad my parents DID NOT say YOU must be christians, Jewish.whatever - They said - YOU must study, and decide for yourself. I guess that is rare...........I just love God........no problemo...........but DNA-wise, I am Jewish and Cherokee. cheers
And I am soooo glad I chose to incarnate into a family of conservative Scottish Christians in which one of our glorious hymns rejoiced in "God our Father, Christ our brother" which I didn't fully appreciate until almost eighty years later. I'm Hebrew-Israelite.
29:35
VERY INTERESTING, i've experienced both heaven and "hell" in out of body
no details?
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If it's real, you are not going there. :)
No souls, no heaven or hell( manmade concepts) just lack of understanding of this beautiful universe
Sorry to say, there's no hell and no heaven.
Prove it.
you are telling just stories and deny that the true name of GOD was translated . but the truth is that there is no one worth to be worshiped exept ALLAH.
Go spread your poison somewhere else.