@@scorchingradiance7605 he was pining since high school for her. he shouldn't have had to make a list its so demeaning. "Just a waitress' holy cow complete fool. I get its just a show but still that's horrible to say to anyone
@@AD-oy8nm Ok yh no see the problem here is that he was trying to decide with someone who he was obsessed with and someoen who was right for him. Chandler just had the idea to make a list which is fair because he just made pur purely to make a descision and people do this type of thing in their heads all the time it's not his fault rachel stole it. Also the just a waitress thing is out of context it was simply that julie and ross had a common job so naturally they had more in common and more to talk about
@@scorchingradiance7605 your writing is so terrible just like your take he doesn't say rachel's a waitress, he said "JUST A WAITRESS" meaning Ross thinks all she is low quality essential worker When Ross says this, he's unconsciously belittling Rachel's job, implying that it's somehow less valuable or respectable compared to his own work as a paleontologist. "just a waitress" is a dismissive phrase that overlooks the dignity of work and the importance of valuing people for who they are, not just what they do for a living Good day sir, why don't tonight you tell your GF or wife that hey babe your just a mom, your just a nurse your just a secretary see if you get some lovin.
okay yeah. i totally agree with you. he should have never made a list, but if he had to, being spoiled and self conscious are actual cons. but “just a waitress?” that’s the most effed up thing i ever heard
he didn't really mean it that way...he was just saying that Julie has the same job as him so they have similar interests but Rachel's a waitress and doesn't have the same mindset. Chandler, in summary, wrote just a waitress.
@@peterashraf2717 yeah. honestly why does anyone take advice from chandler and joey all they do is screw up stuff even more. and no one blames them for it 🤷🏾♀️😭
Not sure I agree with her. Loving someone means you're aware of their flaws but you love them anyways. If you're not aware of their flaws you just love the idea of them because you block out all of the negative stuff. Not being aware of someone's flaws is also toxic, it's how people stay in abusive relationships... Everyone has flaws, it's how someone reacts to them that make the difference...
@@cristinaflorina9538 Everyone does have their flaws and you have to be aware of them etc, but there was still no need to make a list like a pros and cons list as if you were evaluating an object. That's going a bit far, don't you think?
@@AnonyMous-xv4ig Why shouldn't you make a list? Me and my partner did it in the past and it made us realise not only the things we didn't mind about each other, but also the things we need to improve on individually. Rachel clearly is insecure about it hence she let it out on Ross...
the “in spite of” makes it really apparent that he sees them as flaws, like there’s something wrong with her. he thinks he’s oh so noble for still wanting to be with her, like he doesn’t have an ulterior motive. typical nice guy.
@@ukezoro2997 sure, but you don't go around listing all the reasons why you don't want to be someone as though that makes you a good partner. Imagine for example, your partner whom you love constantly talks about how he loves you "despite" your flaws. On and on, oh honey how I love you "despite" your flaws. Sure, we can all logically acknowledge no one is truly flawless; but it's still an insult to have it rubbed in constantly that you're loved "despite" your apparent list of flaws in this person's mind. Not to mention flaws are subjective. Sure some are universal, but really no two peoples standards are exactly the same across the board. Maybe having wild hair is sexy to one person and a flaw to another. Maybe being a bit scatterbrained is quirky and charming to one and annoying to another. Maybe the sound of someone's voice is calming to someone but absolutely aggravating to another. Being told 'you know I love you despite your hair and your scattered thinking and your awful voice' doesn't exactly bode well for charm. I love my husband. While objectively I suppose I could think of some traits that could be considered flaws, I don't make a point of telling him how I love him despite whatever flaws I could come up with. If he came to me worried about my love because of his own insecurities, I would assure him that I love HIM. Not "despite" his flaws. I simply love him. His "flaws" don't even need to be a part of the conversation. No one wants to be told that they miraculously we're loved "despite". We want love. We acknowledge we are flawed, but no- any partner that constantly hangs over your head how they love you despite this list of reasons they 'shouldnt' and wave it around like they're some noble person to take on the task of loving you 'despite' is not someone you want to be with. Love is love. Love is not a list of flaws you claim to ignore while writing the list and talking about the list. Love is acknowledging the complex human before you and loving every crack in the glass for the beauty it holds in it's stories, never telling it to be grateful to you for loving them "despite"
Nope, no one is flawless, right? Everyone has flaws. And you always, not exceptions, love them despite of their flaws. Make a list, or don't, the truth will never change. When you do not say them out loud, they do not disappear. What was she thinking? He didn't realize her flaws?
You do understand that everybody has flaws and nobody is perfect? Ross has flaws too, for being the most boring character on the show, espacily when he talks about his work. Through the whole show, nobody likes to hear about his work and they even make fun of him (Rachel as well). A person who loves you shouldn't make fun of something you love, but she does!
@@Arya-w3wI know my husband has flaws but they’re insignificant and don’t change how I feel about him. I could never ever start nit picking and writing down what they are because that makes them bigger and more real then they actually are. If I saw my list about me I would be broken because it’s a careless heartless thing to do.
Well that is essentially true. That's why they say "There's someone for everyone". Someone out there will put up with your shit. And just because you think you can do no wrong, doesn't make it true.
because it was a simple misunderstanding that the writers blew out of proportion, between Rachel overreacting and Ross not knowing how to communicate clearly and fucking up more in the process, in an attempt to delay them getting together
Ppl always having Ross's back is so annoying simply cuz Rachel was a rich spoilt girl + her personality. They both have their annoying moments don't get me wrong but Ross is just horrendous. Even janice couldn't stand him for a week
I disagree to an extent. Nobody is perfect, everyone has flaws. Choosing to continue loving that person in spite of learning about flaws with a person is what makes it true love. Most people see "love" in movies or TV shows and expect a long term relationship/marriage to always be that way. In truth, love becomes a choice and can become hard work. People change over time. Choosing to love and support someone through those changes is real love. Dipping out because you've "fallen out of love" is a cop out. *Disclaimer: I'm not talking about someone changing into an emotionally or physically abusive person.
@@tannertravis4455 By that logic, everyone can be coupled with anyone. People get together because of some shared attraction towards the other. If the thing that led to the relationship ceases, and there is nothing else to replace the feelings to carry on, then all that's left is a relationship driven by a promise. That's a horrible way to live. Commited relationships are held by guilt-trips. If you're forcing yourself to choose to be in Love. That's a weird relationship for me. I'll gladly "cop out". Thank you very much and I hope you enjoy your choice.
I remember when this episode ran. I was thinking how stunning this segment was because for a show that is a really funny comedy, this was an incredibly deep and insightful speech by Rachel. She put it so well. Imagine thinking all the rotten things about yourself and then imagine somebody you care about that you think cares about you, actually thinks those same things too and doesn't know if he can "put up" with those things. I found it heart-wrenching.
That was the first and only flag she needed. Cant understand why she entertained this relationship for so long. Ross was always first for both of them.
I remember watching this scene and not understanding why Rachel would miss that part where Ross said he'd still choose her INSPITE those flaws. But what made me realize why she was right is how someone could actually use all your insecurities as a reason to not date you...
I think I'd be pretty f**king offended if someone wrote down everything they thought was wrong with me & then claimed that I should just get past it because they were magnanimous to date me anyway. I think he even put things like "chunky ankles". Plus your partner should find your quirks endearing, not weaponize them against you.
@@catT5236 I agree. It's just demeaning to be with someone that acknowledges your insecurities and uses this a con. I just dont like how its projected to Ross as if it's not even a big deal. How selfish...
Ross cheating on her right after they said they will be on a break is so wrong because months before that happened he was always blaming her for cheating on him with Mark and jealous that she has a job she loved, collegues aka other friends she liked hanging out with. For months he speculated and blamed her for cheating when she didnt. She never cheated on him. She geniunely liked him. And then he goes out there cheating on her the very night she wants a break from his emotional manipulation of trying to make her feel guilty for something she didnt do. He didn't even wait a day!
Where is the notion of emotional manipulation coming out of? The main reason Rachel decided to take a break is because of the overlapping of Rachel’s most important career launching years and the formative time of their relationship? Ross didn’t understand the importance of Rachel placing priority on her career at that time (due to him being naturally comfortable in his career path for a while) and ultimately lost Rachel due to his insecurities around losing her due to the blatant connection between Rachel and mark (which he is ultimately vindicated in suspecting) Ross had placed Rachel on a pedestal for years and years before they got into this relationship and was scared of losing her so soon, again for good reason- it wasn’t Rachel’s fault her career was progressing but it came at a bad time for their relationship and placed huge stress on it, also the overbearing influence of Mark on Ross’ feelings of inferiority due to placing rachel on such a pedestal. It was nothing to do with emotional manipulation, he understood Rachel also has a career to worry about but come on the reason they broke up was quite clearly because Rachels career demands were placing too much strain on their relationship -“I’m tired of having a relationship with your answering machine” Also Ross was totally wrong to sleep with someone on the night in my opinion of course but to call it ‘cheating’ is blatant disregard to Rachel temporarily ending the relationship- “a break from us” Ross isn’t my favourite character in the show but people are so wrong in blaming him for things like ‘emotional abuse’ when the relationship clearly just didn’t work out.
@@eoghanrainey6162 I’ve never seen Friends, so I’m just going based off the comments I’m seeing. It seems like the notion of emotional manipulation comes with Ross constantly being paranoid and accusing Rachel of cheating with other people when she wasn’t. It seems like he’s incredibly insecure with himself and their relationship and he, either consciously or subconsciously, takes it out on Rachel by accusing her time and again of cheating on him.
Ross was never jealous of her job. Mark was a skilled hound and wanted in her pants from the moment he met her. Despite her friends warning her, she remained willfully oblivious to this. Or possibly just naive. Ross sees this guy chasing his girl and she denies it's happening. So he's thinking she likes him and will either dump him or cheat with this guy. Notice how Mark rushed over at light speed when he found out they had a big fight? He needed to get there before any of female friends stepped in to support her. He even eventually admitted he had a crush on her. It was Rachel's blind spot toward Mark that fueled Ross's insecurities.
She did not make a list but told the list or parts of it to total strangers in front of him. At least in one case, it backfired Like the lady in the toy store.
@@YourMomma-km4xj Ross didn't instill any insecurities in her, though. Those were already there. Ross did hurt her, but it was an accident and misunderstanding. He was always interested in her but she never really showed any interest back until he was moving on with another woman who he now also cared about. He was just talking with his friends to figure out what to do (be with the woman he's loved since forever who never showed any interest or be with the woman he cares about now who also genuinely likes him for who he is). They pushed him to make a list, which was never meant for her to see.
As i got older i undestood that Rachel is right. If a guy would be making a list about my flaws, that im insecure about id be so disappointed and sad. That must be horrible
Well if someone is deciding to commit to u, and he/she takes into account your flaws, what's wrong with that?? Bcoz commitment is a combination of love, feelings, tolerability, compatibility etc.
@@kvtechvarshney5179if you truly love someone, you wouldn't write down their flaws so that you can compare them with some other woman to choose between the two.
@kvtechvarshney5179 The things he wrote as her "flaws" were incredibly shallow and insulting. Would you want your partner writing a list and having "your ankles are too fat" or "ditzy" in the "reasons not to be with you" column? After saying she was shallow, which is horrendously hypocritical. Even if you can defend him making the list, how could anyone expect someone to stay with a person who thinks of them like that?
Get over it. Her character was sanctimonious and disingenuous. She was the great saboteur of Ross’ relationships when she wasn’t the center of his life. Its is however, just a TV show.
At first i got upset when rachel got angry with ross because they were 'finally' gonna be together. But this scene is so good, everything she says makes so much sense and so i could understand completely how right she was to get angry
Nah they're horrible people. like i love their characters cause it's hilarious but being realistic the whole 'friends' cast are terrible people. Still love it tho@@aasthasingh3711
To be fair, with a tone like that, I wouldn't have moved either. Actually, I'd probably still be standing there, even after she'd left, wondering: "Do you think we can move now?"
It's called unconditional love in spite of each other's flaws & imperfections & quirks. As adults to admit mistakes & apologize. Don't go to bed angry. Love does say I'm sorry. It's called commitment. Jenn looked so beatiful in thid scene & correct with her comments.
A woman I was in a relationship with wrote little notes about why she liked me and put them in a can. There were so many I couldn't believe it not one was negative. Now that was a woman.
This and "the break" is why I don't like Ross and prefer Rachel. "On a break" is not breaking up, it's taking a little bit of time separated to think about the relationship.
I hate when people argue about this, bc either way Ross stormed out like a toddler when she first said the word break, and they never finished the conversation. We'll never know what she truly meant. They could have had an honest conversation but no he had to go sleep with someone else lol
Yup! It's not a free pass to sleep around as much as possible. I once "broke up" with my ex. Well, it wasn't even a true breakup bc it was over the phone and I was angry that he said he thought we were rushing back into a relationship too quickly bc we had gotten back together after a year and a failed relationship on his part. He's the one who came to me and said he realized I was who he wanted to be with, so on that phone call he said "we should slow down" to which I replied "If you want to be with me it's all or nothing." He said "alright, then I guess it's nothing". I hung up on him and cried myself to sleep. Later he confessed he had slept with someone after that phone call bc in his mind I had broken up with him. 😔
I never noticed because I was young at the time but everyone on this show was always so put together and beautiful. Hair and make up team, very under rated!
It may seem out of place today because...life, but average people in the late 90s dressed nicely and very well (which is when the series was mostly filmed). Especially for special occasions and holidays, but even just in everyday life. Shopping at the mall was still a thing, at a time when malls were still anchored by big legacy retailers and clothing stores. The economy was booming, the tech revolution with the internets and newfound Google and Amazon was in full swing, jobs were plenty and a college education still got you a foot in the door at companies. People had money, and fashion was accessible to the every person with the fast growing fast fashion stores. The fashion magazines were also big, as were the fashion shows. The dresses for women were sleek and satiny, with a shine, but still feminine. Think Princess Diana. The hairstyle was also more demure--not the 80s wild big hair, but sleek, well combed or styled. People in towns and villages could even get themselves put together nicely for a day out. More so in the big cosmopolitan cities like NYC, LA, London, etc. Getting a tux was easy for guys, very accessible too, not just the women. Even business casual clothes were sleeker than they were in the 80s. Even the kids were made to wear nice clothes out for special occasions. The point being that the way these characters dressed and were accessorized and styled were not out of place for the time. Most people, particularly from the background of the characters depicted, dressed that way. They weren't some celebrity only ideal. I lived in southern California (where the series was filmed), and most people dressed this way. I also visited San Francisco, San Diego, Washington DC in the 90s-2000, and it was the same deal.
@@renadalsofiany3899 promised her all the things then broke her heart as Angelina was a bigger star of that time as she was into movies. He left Jenny for Angel
@@mocktailsucker5529 Oh, you mean Brad Pitt and his relationship with Jennifer. I thought Brad was a minor character in Friends whom I couldn't recall. Lol
Hmm I disagree. You can also love someone *in spite* of something. There'll never be anyone who 100% has all the qualities you like and want. Yet, you can love them in spite of their flaws (knowing that you have flaws too). So again, no, I disagree with that generalization.
@@excuselessenglishe-school2831 I personally loved someone flaws and all. Because they made up someone who, in my mind, was perfectly imperfect. The imperfections and flaws were what made me love them more. It’s not “oh I only love your flaws”. It’s more like “I love you so much for everything you are”. When you fall in love, you’re not usually supposed to be like “oh I love you but you do this and this. I’ll still be with you though” because you aren’t really accepting them for everything they are. You’re basically saying these flaws make me love you a little less but I’ll be with you anyway
I’ve noticed this after seeing friends a couple of times, Ross when confronted always deflects the blame or avoids accountability by turning the tables around making himself into the “victim” of the situation. This scene represents that well.
My boyfriend makes sure to never make it sound like something’s wrong with me(even though there is, lots of hereditary mental problems). Whenever I get upset over something small because it feels like the end of the world, he reminds me that it’s not, that it’s okay to be upset about something but I can’t let it control me. He reminds me that I’m in control and that I can be better, that’s why I love him so much, he’ll never give up on me or blame me for the way I feel.
But you can't rely on him for doing this for his whole life, you need to also up your game and work as hard as you can to fix your issues with therapy, just because someone accepts as we are, doesn't excuse us from working on ourselves once we recognize our own patterns.
Ross is so stupid to sleep wid another girl as soon as they were on a break. I mean even if it was a break up...you wouldnt randomly go and sleep with the first person you meet on the very next day.
Well he was drunk. Rachel wanted ross to cheat with that bald chick. Growing up is realizing they both were extremely wrong to each other. Yet, they ended up together.
He's drunk and sad because of break up , so yes he would probably go to another person at that time. Also it's because of rachel he did it, he heard Mark's voice. Rachel is stupid to let mark talk near the phone when she clearly knows ross doesn't trust him.
Wasn't even the next day,was hours later, and all the problem was caused by him, he heard the guy on the phone and immediately thought she was doing him,even when she said multiple times there was nothing between them cause she didn't want to.she waited all the time for him when he was busy,she understood it was important but when it was the other way around,he couldn't take it.
The love of my life did exactly that: broke up with me because of certain “flaws,” then would get back together with me “in spite of it all” for 6 years. It really does a number on a person.
Season 2 episodes 7 and 8 she was gorgeous. The haircut was a big thing but I liked it better when it was up and had some strands hanging down. Like the scene where they kiss at Central Perk. Also when he hears the voice-mail and she says you had feelings first. With those blue-grey eyes and pouty lips and knowing she wanted him he'd be like why did I see Julie again when I did? Especially because he loved her. They were meant to end up together; it was inevitable.
This is a well-written scene. It kind of shows that the two of them had chemistry, but it was the wrong time. Ross had to figure his situation out using logic, and he didn't mean for her to see it. He def could have been more discreet.
Love is complicated, there are “flaws” that your partner will love you in spite of and “flaws” that your partner will love you because of. These are both true, no need to bring up either of them often.
Well it doesn't matter as Chandler isn't actually getting any kind of blame for being the one to come up with this idea. Chandler Bing, Teflon Man. Nothing (bad that he does) sticks on him!!
I would never understand how they were the “perfect and inspiring” couple in the end when all of this happened between them. Ross had no consequences for this, and the even made it look like there was so much love between them because Rachel forgave him.
I can imagine the topic hits a nerve so it’s easier to act out the anger and dissappointment as if it was with her own boyfriend. Not diminishing her acting skills though. I love Jen :)
If u know about Jennifer's biography of how her mother always hated Jennifer's look and was mean to it for that, it's prolly why she acted it out so well
If they don't love the things I hate about myself they aren't for me. The things I love most about my friends are the things that to them are the worst... but they arent... they are what makes them beautifully unique.
It doesn't matter, Ross still did it. If they had told him to jump down a well would he have had to do it, no he chose to listen to both of them (who had never had serious relationships up until that point) and he paid for it.
I think that was part of his problem, he often came across as having a bit of a superiority complex especially regarding his PhD. He doesn't seem to understand that telling someone you're magnanimous enough to be with them despite a whole list of flaws you wrote down, is actually downright offensive. He's often pretty condescending & it really bugged me he didn't get called out on it more often.
And nothing good comes from that, the dude was shoulders deep in depression and self sabotage himself, did think he deserved love so he found superficial reasons to break up with women he dated, not the guy to take relationship advice from Edit: but that's why it's a sitcom...
Ha ha, it's sorta funny. It was chandler who suggested Ross to move on from rachel in China (he said he wouldn't have otherwise) leading to Ross and julie and him missing out on rachel (it was good advice though objectively), then he and joey gave this idea, then he and joey suggested Ross to hide the cheating, then he and joey told Ross to suppress all of his real thoughts about the letter leading to him blowing up like a volcano.. Moral of the story- Ross should really stop listening to chandler and joey. He should listen to monica though. She always gives good advice.
Jennifer's acting in this scene is so good
But are you sure that it was acting
@@emilydavis4975 🤔
@@emilydavis4975 “Now, that detective, is the right question.”
What episode was that?
@@lucyk2634 season 2 Episode 8 “The one with the list”
She's so convincing in this scene...what a fine actress she is
Contrast with Chandler and Monica conversation "You r high maintenance but i love to maintain you"
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Yeah Monica and Chandler are the best ❤
Difference between ross and chandler was chandler knew he was flawed whereas ross thought he was some hot shot who was untouchable.
Chandler and Konica were the only good couple on the show. Joey and phoebe would have a been a great couple tho.
@PixelPulse942 bingo..absolutely.. Chandler knew the fact that no one is flawless.. on the other hand Mr. Palentiologist was little bit egoistic..😂..
I completely understand Rachel on this. She's right.
Ross is so stupid. he fell in love with someone with much higher social capital and he makes a list. JFC.
@@AD-oy8nm ok tbf chandler persuaded him to and she wasn't meant to see it so it wasn't exactly bad
@@scorchingradiance7605 he was pining since high school for her. he shouldn't have had to make a list its so demeaning. "Just a waitress' holy cow complete fool. I get its just a show but still that's horrible to say to anyone
@@AD-oy8nm Ok yh no see the problem here is that he was trying to decide with someone who he was obsessed with and someoen who was right for him. Chandler just had the idea to make a list which is fair because he just made pur purely to make a descision and people do this type of thing in their heads all the time it's not his fault rachel stole it. Also the just a waitress thing is out of context it was simply that julie and ross had a common job so naturally they had more in common and more to talk about
@@scorchingradiance7605 your writing is so terrible just like your take
he doesn't say rachel's a waitress, he said "JUST A WAITRESS" meaning Ross thinks all she is low quality essential worker
When Ross says this, he's unconsciously belittling Rachel's job, implying that it's somehow less valuable or respectable compared to his own work as a paleontologist.
"just a waitress" is a dismissive phrase that overlooks the dignity of work and the importance of valuing people for who they are, not just what they do for a living
Good day sir, why don't tonight you tell your GF or wife that hey babe your just a mom, your just a nurse your just a secretary see if you get some lovin.
”I’d never make a list” damn that line hits hard😅
That's right. She wouldn't. Her thing is writing a letter with 18 pages...FRONT AND BACK.
cos she couldn't put anything on the list why do she thinks people are idiot and she is the only smart one here
@@TheRealTopG01 she would never make a list because she wouldn't put ross' insecurities or negative things onto one, not because she doesn't know any
@@beomtaro They know this. Too bad guys support each other even if they are assholes.
@@gabrielluizja443 without looking at your username, Id guess you're a man.
"Just a waitress" was so mean, I stand with Rachel on this. And this was one of the best Jen acting on Friends
okay yeah. i totally agree with you. he should have never made a list, but if he had to, being spoiled and self conscious are actual cons. but “just a waitress?” that’s the most effed up thing i ever heard
he didn't really mean it that way...he was just saying that Julie has the same job as him so they have similar interests but Rachel's a waitress and doesn't have the same mindset. Chandler, in summary, wrote just a waitress.
@@peterashraf2717 yeah. honestly why does anyone take advice from chandler and joey all they do is screw up stuff even more. and no one blames them for it 🤷🏾♀️😭
@@ravenclaw_ramen yeah 🤦😂
But what matters is that they really try to help tho
@@peterashraf2717 true true lol
Rachel is effortlessly beautiful in that scene 🥺
that's kinda rude towards her stylists
Her acting is so on point here
They both are imo
She’s always gorgeous
Ross looks really good, too ☝️
Jen's dialogue is so deep ..the writer's choice of words is simple wow..
It's also complete garbage.
S1-s4 is where the good writing is at.
"Shouldn't we hold out for the person who doesn't just tolerate our little quirks, but actually kind of likes them?" _ Ted Mosby
Jed Mosley
Ted was preeeeeety dependant emotionally though.... just saying...
Mos Eisley
Ted and Ross were in the same level as jerks who sees themselves as good guys who never does anything wrong, but the world is always against them.
I was thinking the same I love how I met your mother
I agree with Rachel
Big surprise
Not sure I agree with her. Loving someone means you're aware of their flaws but you love them anyways. If you're not aware of their flaws you just love the idea of them because you block out all of the negative stuff. Not being aware of someone's flaws is also toxic, it's how people stay in abusive relationships...
Everyone has flaws, it's how someone reacts to them that make the difference...
@@cristinaflorina9538 this! This all day ☝🏼
@@cristinaflorina9538 Everyone does have their flaws and you have to be aware of them etc, but there was still no need to make a list like a pros and cons list as if you were evaluating an object. That's going a bit far, don't you think?
@@AnonyMous-xv4ig Why shouldn't you make a list? Me and my partner did it in the past and it made us realise not only the things we didn't mind about each other, but also the things we need to improve on individually. Rachel clearly is insecure about it hence she let it out on Ross...
the “in spite of” makes it really apparent that he sees them as flaws, like there’s something wrong with her. he thinks he’s oh so noble for still wanting to be with her, like he doesn’t have an ulterior motive. typical nice guy.
Everyone has flaws
@@ukezoro2997 sure, but you don't go around listing all the reasons why you don't want to be someone as though that makes you a good partner.
Imagine for example, your partner whom you love constantly talks about how he loves you "despite" your flaws. On and on, oh honey how I love you "despite" your flaws. Sure, we can all logically acknowledge no one is truly flawless; but it's still an insult to have it rubbed in constantly that you're loved "despite" your apparent list of flaws in this person's mind. Not to mention flaws are subjective. Sure some are universal, but really no two peoples standards are exactly the same across the board. Maybe having wild hair is sexy to one person and a flaw to another. Maybe being a bit scatterbrained is quirky and charming to one and annoying to another. Maybe the sound of someone's voice is calming to someone but absolutely aggravating to another. Being told 'you know I love you despite your hair and your scattered thinking and your awful voice' doesn't exactly bode well for charm.
I love my husband. While objectively I suppose I could think of some traits that could be considered flaws, I don't make a point of telling him how I love him despite whatever flaws I could come up with. If he came to me worried about my love because of his own insecurities, I would assure him that I love HIM. Not "despite" his flaws. I simply love him. His "flaws" don't even need to be a part of the conversation. No one wants to be told that they miraculously we're loved "despite". We want love. We acknowledge we are flawed, but no- any partner that constantly hangs over your head how they love you despite this list of reasons they 'shouldnt' and wave it around like they're some noble person to take on the task of loving you 'despite' is not someone you want to be with.
Love is love. Love is not a list of flaws you claim to ignore while writing the list and talking about the list. Love is acknowledging the complex human before you and loving every crack in the glass for the beauty it holds in it's stories, never telling it to be grateful to you for loving them "despite"
@@heavenlance7833 Amen❤
“Nice guy”
Everyone has flaws tho
The way Rachel is so imperative not to let everyone to go is a good point in the scene
For those who don't get it: Saying you love someone despite their flaws doesn't make you feel loved, it makes you feel TOLERATED.
Nope, no one is flawless, right? Everyone has flaws. And you always, not exceptions, love them despite of their flaws. Make a list, or don't, the truth will never change. When you do not say them out loud, they do not disappear. What was she thinking? He didn't realize her flaws?
You do understand that everybody has flaws and nobody is perfect?
Ross has flaws too, for being the most boring character on the show, espacily when he talks about his work. Through the whole show, nobody likes to hear about his work and they even make fun of him (Rachel as well). A person who loves you shouldn't make fun of something you love, but she does!
@@ni9479 They are not only tolerated. If she thinks like that, it is her fault, her idea is faulty. So, Ross has nothing to do with it.
@@Arya-w3wI know my husband has flaws but they’re insignificant and don’t change how I feel about him. I could never ever start nit picking and writing down what they are because that makes them bigger and more real then they actually are.
If I saw my list about me I would be broken because it’s a careless heartless thing to do.
Well that is essentially true. That's why they say "There's someone for everyone". Someone out there will put up with your shit. And just because you think you can do no wrong, doesn't make it true.
I love Chandler tugging on Joey’s jacket like “papa I’m frightened”
"I'd never make a list"
Because there wouldn't be enough paper
🤣🤣🤣
Underrated
18 PAGES!! FRONT AND BACK!
lmao
@@teumeato 18 actually 😅
@@shwetakumari5855 oh yeah
Jennifer is soooo good at acting
Rip Matthew we all miss u😭
😢
Rachel’s reaction to this was 100% justified and I couldn’t agree with her more
Even when Ross was wrong, people can’t stop hating and blaming Rachel 🙄
because it was a simple misunderstanding that the writers blew out of proportion, between Rachel overreacting and Ross not knowing how to communicate clearly and fucking up more in the process, in an attempt to delay them getting together
@@spiritpbr9659 To be fair Rachel's reaction is justified entirely.
I always disliked ross
Lol she's just such a brat I can't help it... this time she's right tho
Ppl always having Ross's back is so annoying simply cuz Rachel was a rich spoilt girl + her personality. They both have their annoying moments don't get me wrong but Ross is just horrendous. Even janice couldn't stand him for a week
You love somebody because of the way they are, not in spite of it. Everything they've done made them the person you fell in love with.
That hits so hard haha
Bullshit. 😂
And once they stop being that person seems like it's quite reasonable to fall out of love with them
I disagree to an extent. Nobody is perfect, everyone has flaws. Choosing to continue loving that person in spite of learning about flaws with a person is what makes it true love. Most people see "love" in movies or TV shows and expect a long term relationship/marriage to always be that way. In truth, love becomes a choice and can become hard work. People change over time. Choosing to love and support someone through those changes is real love. Dipping out because you've "fallen out of love" is a cop out.
*Disclaimer: I'm not talking about someone changing into an emotionally or physically abusive person.
@@tannertravis4455
By that logic, everyone can be coupled with anyone. People get together because of some shared attraction towards the other. If the thing that led to the relationship ceases, and there is nothing else to replace the feelings to carry on, then all that's left is a relationship driven by a promise. That's a horrible way to live. Commited relationships are held by guilt-trips. If you're forcing yourself to choose to be in Love. That's a weird relationship for me.
I'll gladly "cop out". Thank you very much and I hope you enjoy your choice.
I remember when this episode ran. I was thinking how stunning this segment was because for a show that is a really funny comedy, this was an incredibly deep and insightful speech by Rachel. She put it so well. Imagine thinking all the rotten things about yourself and then imagine somebody you care about that you think cares about you, actually thinks those same things too and doesn't know if he can "put up" with those things. I found it heart-wrenching.
Rachel's dialogues when she is upset just hits hard. ❤
That was the first and only flag she needed. Cant understand why she entertained this relationship for so long. Ross was always first for both of them.
I remember watching this scene and not understanding why Rachel would miss that part where Ross said he'd still choose her INSPITE those flaws. But what made me realize why she was right is how someone could actually use all your insecurities as a reason to not date you...
I think I'd be pretty f**king offended if someone wrote down everything they thought was wrong with me & then claimed that I should just get past it because they were magnanimous to date me anyway. I think he even put things like "chunky ankles". Plus your partner should find your quirks endearing, not weaponize them against you.
@@catT5236 I agree. It's just demeaning to be with someone that acknowledges your insecurities and uses this a con. I just dont like how its projected to Ross as if it's not even a big deal. How selfish...
@@catT5236 I agree with everything you said, I think "chunky ankles" was put by either Joey or Chandler though
Wise comment. Your right.
@@catT5236 But everyone has such a list. It's just that most people don't write it down.
"I'd never make a list", we all know she was the matured one in their relationship.
she made a list like 2 episodes later
Ross cheating on her right after they said they will be on a break is so wrong because months before that happened he was always blaming her for cheating on him with Mark and jealous that she has a job she loved, collegues aka other friends she liked hanging out with. For months he speculated and blamed her for cheating when she didnt. She never cheated on him. She geniunely liked him. And then he goes out there cheating on her the very night she wants a break from his emotional manipulation of trying to make her feel guilty for something she didnt do. He didn't even wait a day!
Well said! All the people who put all the blame on Rachel are ridiculous and probably just as manipulative as him!
Yeah in retrospect, Ross is so much more problematic compared to when this first aired.
Where is the notion of emotional manipulation coming out of? The main reason Rachel decided to take a break is because of the overlapping of Rachel’s most important career launching years and the formative time of their relationship? Ross didn’t understand the importance of Rachel placing priority on her career at that time (due to him being naturally comfortable in his career path for a while) and ultimately lost Rachel due to his insecurities around losing her due to the blatant connection between Rachel and mark (which he is ultimately vindicated in suspecting) Ross had placed Rachel on a pedestal for years and years before they got into this relationship and was scared of losing her so soon, again for good reason- it wasn’t Rachel’s fault her career was progressing but it came at a bad time for their relationship and placed huge stress on it, also the overbearing influence of Mark on Ross’ feelings of inferiority due to placing rachel on such a pedestal. It was nothing to do with emotional manipulation, he understood Rachel also has a career to worry about but come on the reason they broke up was quite clearly because Rachels career demands were placing too much strain on their relationship -“I’m tired of having a relationship with your answering machine” Also Ross was totally wrong to sleep with someone on the night in my opinion of course but to call it ‘cheating’ is blatant disregard to Rachel temporarily ending the relationship- “a break from us” Ross isn’t my favourite character in the show but people are so wrong in blaming him for things like ‘emotional abuse’ when the relationship clearly just didn’t work out.
@@eoghanrainey6162 I’ve never seen Friends, so I’m just going based off the comments I’m seeing. It seems like the notion of emotional manipulation comes with Ross constantly being paranoid and accusing Rachel of cheating with other people when she wasn’t. It seems like he’s incredibly insecure with himself and their relationship and he, either consciously or subconsciously, takes it out on Rachel by accusing her time and again of cheating on him.
Ross was never jealous of her job. Mark was a skilled hound and wanted in her pants from the moment he met her. Despite her friends warning her, she remained willfully oblivious to this. Or possibly just naive. Ross sees this guy chasing his girl and she denies it's happening. So he's thinking she likes him and will either dump him or cheat with this guy. Notice how Mark rushed over at light speed when he found out they had a big fight? He needed to get there before any of female friends stepped in to support her. He even eventually admitted he had a crush on her. It was Rachel's blind spot toward Mark that fueled Ross's insecurities.
Rachel: I SAID DON'T GO.
Everyone: Ma'am yes ma'am! 😅😭
More like Aye-aye captain.
I love Joey's reaction
And people say she is a pushover
“See I’d never make a list” and slowly closing the door, was such a boss move 🙌🏻
She did not make a list but told the list or parts of it to total strangers in front of him. At least in one case, it backfired Like the lady in the toy store.
she makes plenty of lists. they dont need to be on paper
She'd never make a list...just make fun of him for what she views as his flaws repeatedly for years....
@@davidm4566to feel a fraction equal over the hurt and insecurities he instilled in her. She can't say things? Lol
@@YourMomma-km4xj Ross didn't instill any insecurities in her, though. Those were already there.
Ross did hurt her, but it was an accident and misunderstanding. He was always interested in her but she never really showed any interest back until he was moving on with another woman who he now also cared about.
He was just talking with his friends to figure out what to do (be with the woman he's loved since forever who never showed any interest or be with the woman he cares about now who also genuinely likes him for who he is). They pushed him to make a list, which was never meant for her to see.
As i got older i undestood that Rachel is right. If a guy would be making a list about my flaws, that im insecure about id be so disappointed and sad. That must be horrible
Well if someone is deciding to commit to u, and he/she takes into account your flaws, what's wrong with that?? Bcoz commitment is a combination of love, feelings, tolerability, compatibility etc.
@@kvtechvarshney5179if you truly love someone, you wouldn't write down their flaws so that you can compare them with some other woman to choose between the two.
@kvtechvarshney5179 The things he wrote as her "flaws" were incredibly shallow and insulting. Would you want your partner writing a list and having "your ankles are too fat" or "ditzy" in the "reasons not to be with you" column? After saying she was shallow, which is horrendously hypocritical. Even if you can defend him making the list, how could anyone expect someone to stay with a person who thinks of them like that?
Get over it. Her character was sanctimonious and disingenuous. She was the great saboteur of Ross’ relationships when she wasn’t the center of his life. Its is however, just a TV show.
He is the absolute worst character. Such a narsasist.
At first i got upset when rachel got angry with ross because they were 'finally' gonna be together. But this scene is so good, everything she says makes so much sense and so i could understand completely how right she was to get angry
I agree, after rewatching, I understood that it is Ross's fault of making that list
Yeah true, but if you're mature you can agree they're both horrible people
@@Aleks-fv6gs actually they're also nice. But i am just talking about this particular scene so it doesn't matter how they are in general.
Nah they're horrible people. like i love their characters cause it's hilarious but being realistic the whole 'friends' cast are terrible people. Still love it tho@@aasthasingh3711
I do mean the characters by the way, the actors I have no clue as I don't know them
"I said don't go" she sounds like a mom and others are terrified kids 😂
Exactly
To be fair, with a tone like that, I wouldn't have moved either. Actually, I'd probably still be standing there, even after she'd left, wondering: "Do you think we can move now?"
The people in the background are like kids when their parents are fighting😂
😅💯
So accurate xD
Especially Phoebe.🤣🤣🤣😂
I SAID DON'T GO-
The people 🤦♂️🤣
It's called unconditional love in spite of each other's flaws & imperfections & quirks.
As adults to admit mistakes & apologize. Don't go to bed angry.
Love does say I'm sorry.
It's called commitment.
Jenn looked so beatiful in thid scene & correct with her comments.
A woman I was in a relationship with wrote little notes about why she liked me and put them in a can. There were so many I couldn't believe it not one was negative. Now that was a woman.
Why aren't you with her then?
Wait so why did you ever let her go??
Now that is just awesome😃
I also wrote down a lot of reasons I liked about my ex and gave it to him. He never read it until we broke up and used it to hold me back 🙃
Sooo tell us why the “was” that says past as in break up????? Hmmm 🤔 she’s a gem 💎 you let her go?
This and "the break" is why I don't like Ross and prefer Rachel. "On a break" is not breaking up, it's taking a little bit of time separated to think about the relationship.
You sound childish
I hate when people argue about this, bc either way Ross stormed out like a toddler when she first said the word break, and they never finished the conversation. We'll never know what she truly meant. They could have had an honest conversation but no he had to go sleep with someone else lol
@@askewopal they were both wrong
Yup! It's not a free pass to sleep around as much as possible.
I once "broke up" with my ex. Well, it wasn't even a true breakup bc it was over the phone and I was angry that he said he thought we were rushing back into a relationship too quickly bc we had gotten back together after a year and a failed relationship on his part. He's the one who came to me and said he realized I was who he wanted to be with, so on that phone call he said "we should slow down" to which I replied "If you want to be with me it's all or nothing." He said "alright, then I guess it's nothing". I hung up on him and cried myself to sleep. Later he confessed he had slept with someone after that phone call bc in his mind I had broken up with him. 😔
@@ivoryandgold88 lol. If you're putting an end to the relationship. Then yes. I can do whatever I want. Sounds like your bf made the right choice 😂
Ross was wrong here.
Ross was wrong everywhere
Absolutely
@@gosucktoji2724 no
I agree
duh *bad guy starts playing*
The writing on Friends was always just superb.
If you’re with someone, you love those things too. Because it makes that person who they are. It is them.
I never noticed because I was young at the time but everyone on this show was always so put together and beautiful. Hair and make up team, very under rated!
That's the magic of television and fiction.
@@mayahigginbotham9873: They did have quite good looking humans to work with. They weren’t putting lipstick on pigs.
That word, under rated, is so over used. I guarantee you they were not under rated at all.
@@b-radg916 they also had very expensive makeup artists.
It may seem out of place today because...life, but average people in the late 90s dressed nicely and very well (which is when the series was mostly filmed). Especially for special occasions and holidays, but even just in everyday life. Shopping at the mall was still a thing, at a time when malls were still anchored by big legacy retailers and clothing stores.
The economy was booming, the tech revolution with the internets and newfound Google and Amazon was in full swing, jobs were plenty and a college education still got you a foot in the door at companies. People had money, and fashion was accessible to the every person with the fast growing fast fashion stores. The fashion magazines were also big, as were the fashion shows. The dresses for women were sleek and satiny, with a shine, but still feminine. Think Princess Diana. The hairstyle was also more demure--not the 80s wild big hair, but sleek, well combed or styled.
People in towns and villages could even get themselves put together nicely for a day out. More so in the big cosmopolitan cities like NYC, LA, London, etc.
Getting a tux was easy for guys, very accessible too, not just the women.
Even business casual clothes were sleeker than they were in the 80s. Even the kids were made to wear nice clothes out for special occasions.
The point being that the way these characters dressed and were accessorized and styled were not out of place for the time. Most people, particularly from the background of the characters depicted, dressed that way. They weren't some celebrity only ideal. I lived in southern California (where the series was filmed), and most people dressed this way. I also visited San Francisco, San Diego, Washington DC in the 90s-2000, and it was the same deal.
That’s exactly what Brad did with her .
Hence, his other relationship didn't work. He broke Jennifer's heart to break another's.
why what did he do ?
@@renadalsofiany3899 promised her all the things then broke her heart as Angelina was a bigger star of that time as she was into movies. He left Jenny for Angel
@@mocktailsucker5529 Oh, you mean Brad Pitt and his relationship with Jennifer. I thought Brad was a minor character in Friends whom I couldn't recall. Lol
Not even remotely similar.
God, Jennifer Aniston's delivery when she said, I'd never make a list was brilliant & heartwrenching
I'd never make a list, I love that. This is so heartbreaking to listen to, just hits hard.
Rest on Matthew Perry 🕊️
It's not supposed to be "I love inspie of" it's supposed to be "I love you because of"
I remember thinking the same thing!
Exactly
Hmm I disagree. You can also love someone *in spite* of something. There'll never be anyone who 100% has all the qualities you like and want. Yet, you can love them in spite of their flaws (knowing that you have flaws too). So again, no, I disagree with that generalization.
How does the second phrase work in practical life? I don't get it very well... Like how can I live someone because of his flaws?
@@excuselessenglishe-school2831 I personally loved someone flaws and all. Because they made up someone who, in my mind, was perfectly imperfect. The imperfections and flaws were what made me love them more. It’s not “oh I only love your flaws”. It’s more like “I love you so much for everything you are”. When you fall in love, you’re not usually supposed to be like “oh I love you but you do this and this. I’ll still be with you though” because you aren’t really accepting them for everything they are. You’re basically saying these flaws make me love you a little less but I’ll be with you anyway
I’ve noticed this after seeing friends a couple of times, Ross when confronted always deflects the blame or avoids accountability by turning the tables around making himself into the “victim” of the situation. This scene represents that well.
“I SAID DON’T GO!”
My boyfriend makes sure to never make it sound like something’s wrong with me(even though there is, lots of hereditary mental problems). Whenever I get upset over something small because it feels like the end of the world, he reminds me that it’s not, that it’s okay to be upset about something but I can’t let it control me. He reminds me that I’m in control and that I can be better, that’s why I love him so much, he’ll never give up on me or blame me for the way I feel.
What are sweet couple! I'm happy for you. 🥰
But you can't rely on him for doing this for his whole life, you need to also up your game and work as hard as you can to fix your issues with therapy, just because someone accepts as we are, doesn't excuse us from working on ourselves once we recognize our own patterns.
It's important to know you're crazy
@@mayahigginbotham9873 no she's not, but calling strangers crazy knowing they are mentally suffering speaks volumes about you
You are a lucky girl
The wonderful speech in the true meaning of relationships which still valid even these days.
Rachel's eyes give so much emotion
Rachel is a lady with class n self respect...I love her...her humor, dressing sense...all r best...
Jennifer did so good on this scene I got emotional watching this all over again 😭
Ross is so stupid to sleep wid another girl as soon as they were on a break. I mean even if it was a break up...you wouldnt randomly go and sleep with the first person you meet on the very next day.
Well he was drunk. Rachel wanted ross to cheat with that bald chick. Growing up is realizing they both were extremely wrong to each other. Yet, they ended up together.
He's drunk and sad because of break up , so yes he would probably go to another person at that time.
Also it's because of rachel he did it, he heard Mark's voice. Rachel is stupid to let mark talk near the phone when she clearly knows ross doesn't trust him.
Wasn't even the next day,was hours later, and all the problem was caused by him, he heard the guy on the phone and immediately thought she was doing him,even when she said multiple times there was nothing between them cause she didn't want to.she waited all the time for him when he was busy,she understood it was important but when it was the other way around,he couldn't take it.
@@rocktheconqueror6903 because of Rachel he did it 😅🤣
If you break up, you aren't owed crap from your ex.
She's Right on This One.
Wow! That was real deep
"I'd never make a list"
The love of my life did exactly that: broke up with me because of certain “flaws,” then would get back together with me “in spite of it all” for 6 years. It really does a number on a person.
Not the love of your life. You will find someone who loves you despite all the flaws I promise.
Ouch
She's incredible.❤🎉
Her eyes convey the purest feelings
Amazing execution ❤❤
Is no one gonna talk about how gorgeous Rachel is looking😍😍😍😍
She is stunning!
Season 2 episodes 7 and 8 she was gorgeous. The haircut was a big thing but I liked it better when it was up and had some strands hanging down. Like the scene where they kiss at Central Perk. Also when he hears the voice-mail and she says you had feelings first. With those blue-grey eyes and pouty lips and knowing she wanted him he'd be like why did I see Julie again when I did? Especially because he loved her. They were meant to end up together; it was inevitable.
she is so beautiful
Rachel was soooo beautiful in this scene
And this is the couple we were supposed to be rooting for for 10 years.
Is there any saying to... how much is she beautiful 😍
This is a well-written scene. It kind of shows that the two of them had chemistry, but it was the wrong time. Ross had to figure his situation out using logic, and he didn't mean for her to see it. He def could have been more discreet.
Rachel is so beautiful ❤️❤️❤️
She's beautiful
When I was younger I didn't see it the way Rachel did, now I understand and she deserved so much better. "In spite of all those things" boy sit down
😢
Love is complicated, there are “flaws” that your partner will love you in spite of and “flaws” that your partner will love you because of. These are both true, no need to bring up either of them often.
He never desserved Rachel
Wait? He didn't deserve the one that has been hurting him for years? He did everything for her. Yes he made mistakes but she never really went 100%
She was so pretty there.....
Jennifer Anniston is truly gorgeous here.
And since then Chandler never gave anyone relationship advice.
He kinda did🥲 to David to propose Pheebs when they have jst started going out 😭
Well it doesn't matter as Chandler isn't actually getting any kind of blame for being the one to come up with this idea.
Chandler Bing, Teflon Man. Nothing (bad that he does) sticks on him!!
Season 3...😂
I agree! No list, no excuses, no conditions.Period!
Four of them always stuck between their fighting🤣🤣
she makes an excellent point
She’s so beautiful
😢 a true statement. You don't need to put people down , but lift them up.
I would never understand how they were the “perfect and inspiring” couple in the end when all of this happened between them.
Ross had no consequences for this, and the even made it look like there was so much love between them because Rachel forgave him.
He did!
He DIDN'T get Rachel.🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄
@@EgoHead710 he did though. They ended up together. Unfortunately
@@rubyrichardson2887 Unfortunately??
🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄Really??
@@EgoHead710 yes unfortunately. Bc he’s toxic and he made her stay and not go and live her dream in Paris.
@@rubyrichardson2887 HE'S. NOT. TOXIC FFS!!!!!
Genuine commitment isn't toxic, WTF?!?!?
Valid points were made!
She did the right thing
NEVERRR understood ross and rachel as endgame. She deserved so much better
She is really good here! To be honest I really enjoyed her acting in Friends!
I can imagine the topic hits a nerve so it’s easier to act out the anger and dissappointment as if it was with her own boyfriend. Not diminishing her acting skills though. I love Jen :)
She was so beautiful...❤
If u know about Jennifer's biography of how her mother always hated Jennifer's look and was mean to it for that, it's prolly why she acted it out so well
shes so beautiful
A great performance and Jennifer looks so gorgeous in that hairstyle...
She looks so beautiful in here
She’s very beautiful ❤
Rachel spoke for every woman in America here! Go Rachel!
In spite of all those things! That was hurtful 😢
She was so damn cute in those years
Rachel looks very beautiful and Ross is very handsome on this scene
Rachel looks so gorgeous here. And Jen acting is on point❤
If they don't love the things I hate about myself they aren't for me.
The things I love most about my friends are the things that to them are the worst... but they arent... they are what makes them beautifully unique.
“See I’d never make a list”‘that hit deep
That's just stupid
@@la.mu.sa10 lol
I can’t believe they never addressed that Joey and Chandler were the reasons FOR “the list!”
Ross still went along with it. I just want to point that out.
And the reason why Ross kept sleeping with the Xerox chick a secret when he wanted to explain everything to her.
It doesn't matter, Ross still did it. If they had told him to jump down a well would he have had to do it, no he chose to listen to both of them (who had never had serious relationships up until that point) and he paid for it.
@@MasterOfTheElementsThese people were supposed to be 30 year olds. Holy crap !!
@@lorireed8046 it still counts, the fact they're 30 makes them even dumber, I'd expect this from teenagers not grown men.
Jen is the best actor in my opinon not just in friends but also other shows,I am with rachel here
That's good acting. The difference between the tones. The hurt and pain and anger in her voice.
And the defeat when she starts the last sentence.
That was so deep, and Ross being a PhD holder couldn't understand that.
Education doesnt provide intelligence
Welp, school and research doesn't teach you about relationships like that so..
@@tofusuns896 exactly. IQ and EQ are different things
I think that was part of his problem, he often came across as having a bit of a superiority complex especially regarding his PhD. He doesn't seem to understand that telling someone you're magnanimous enough to be with them despite a whole list of flaws you wrote down, is actually downright offensive. He's often pretty condescending & it really bugged me he didn't get called out on it more often.
Education does not equal wisdom.
I don't need to imagine. I know how it feels.
Its so amazing rachel being funny to other guys in back and then keep seriousness of situation intact with ross
To be honest that was chandler idea
And nothing good comes from that, the dude was shoulders deep in depression and self sabotage himself, did think he deserved love so he found superficial reasons to break up with women he dated, not the guy to take relationship advice from
Edit: but that's why it's a sitcom...
The fault doesn't fall on the advice,but in the one that decides to take it.
Doesn't matter. Ross went through with it .
Yes, and Ross was a kindergaten kiddo who just had to jump on it......how true!!!!!
Ha ha, it's sorta funny. It was chandler who suggested Ross to move on from rachel in China (he said he wouldn't have otherwise) leading to Ross and julie and him missing out on rachel (it was good advice though objectively), then he and joey gave this idea, then he and joey suggested Ross to hide the cheating, then he and joey told Ross to suppress all of his real thoughts about the letter leading to him blowing up like a volcano..
Moral of the story- Ross should really stop listening to chandler and joey. He should listen to monica though. She always gives good advice.