Destiny on using the N-word
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i think you should speak with dr john campbell from england, he has a doctorate in nursing i believe. this is his channel: ua-cam.com/users/Campbellteachingvideos
He has created educational content for nurses that is used in Africa to provide medical knowledge to remote communities, and train volunteers. As well as this, Dr. Campbell shares data and analyses trends in the current medical climate.
I highly recommend you consider him as a guest for a future episode.
Lex why you interviwing yourself in this video? host hardly said a word 😂 and yaah this is sjw
WHO ARE YOU TO TELL PEOPLE WHAT WORDS CAN AND CAN NOT COME OUT OF THEIR MOUTHS?
Goyim..is disrespectful without context.
It's also hurtful to call (ye) an anti-Semite when Semite is literally an afro Asian subgroup??
There is literally nothing wrong with saying the N word.
the idea that you can obliterate hate by deleting a word, is not sane.
I feel like he’s making really bad arguments here
@@crybabycousin5565 when doesn't Lex make bad arguments?
Keep listening, that isn’t the point.
That's not the point. listen to the entire thing before forming an opinion.
Obliterate hate... that’s all. It’s not about the word(s) it’s about context. When any word is used with hatred, malice, contextually foul that’s... that’s how genocides start to happen.
That’s how human beings devalue human beings enough to try and justify their total annihilation of others human beings.
It’s all nonsensical fear... which leads to...
lex is inarguably incredibly articulate in his point, and while i empathise and understand him i think he's pretty much completely wrong and he is using a personal experience to set a standard for social discourse
The real question is, "Why do so many people want to use those words to begin with?" Regardless of who uses them, they all seem to make a person seem uneducated and low-class irrespective of race, gender, ability, intention, etc.
@@tdr.220 I grew up saying the r-word, it was normal as an insult at school. I dont use the word very much because it feels gratuitous but I never considered it was offensive, but I found Lex's argument compelling.
@@tdr.220 because context ALWAYS matters, just like it does with all words. Placing certain words in imaginary categories that allow them to nullify any context around them is ridiculous and useless for a form of languange. The real reason is, why can't people let things go and not let simple mouth noises control them?
yeah he's incredibly wrong. kind of upset that destiny didn't push back more and provide examples on how Lex is wrong
@@tdr.220 lex is literally saying that people shouldn't use words like the n word when even TALKING about it or having conversations. That is actually insane
I think the disconnect between these two in this conversation is that whenever Lex hears the word "retard" he thinks of people who are mentally handicapped and when Destiny hears it, he doesn't.
Okay but think of this scenario. Would you still feel bad if you called your friend a retard at Walmart and there’s a mentally disabled person who hears you and you notice. Do you feel bad for using it or you don’t feel different because you didn’t mean it in that context? And I’m not attacking you, I just want to know cuz this might be the difference in how people feel about certain words.
I think if you surveyed people in public, especially people in their teens, 20s, 30s, 40s, they would majority hear retarded as a dumbass dipshit. Older folks might hear it differently since they may have memories of handicapped people being called retarded back when it was an official term.
There'll be some gen X people who remember some punk on the schoolbus in 1990 call the handicapped person a retard. They'd probably have the strongest reaction against it.
Exactly. The intention behind the word and the context matter.
@@york-houngan7193 Not to get to postmodernist about this but doesn't the impact and interpretation of your words have a grater meaning than the actual things you are saying. If you are using a word in a certain way you have to also think about how it will be interpreted by other people. You saying all lives matter dose not portray that litteral message, to a lot of people they hear white supremacy and silencing of black voices. As a conclusion context is not the end all be all that so many portray it as, mainly because so many people are going to be lacking that context. Also sometimes it's the one saying stuff that is lacking critical info as shown earlier. Destiny is smart and experienced enough to know what the implications of his words are going to be.
I like this take. Destiny came and was conditioned by a very different culture, where the word had a different meaning.
respect to destiny for not taking offense to lex "calling him out" on his use language and maintaining great discourse
Ngl I wanted to see Nebraska Steve
not really calling him out when everyone does it not just Destiny
How can you get angry with Lex though
Yes for keeping it on a decent level of discourse, but no for not really pushing back with any decent take on his word use. It is a discussion Lex should visit again with, for example, John McWhorter and perhaps also a comedian.
compared to what Steven's used to I'm sure he was fairly comfortable with Lex lol
Im a late diagnosed asperger diagnosed at the age of 24. I’ve always suspected that I was different. But to me, and I only speak for myself, but I don’t get offended when somebody I play with say something is “autistic af”, but if they Call me autistic Then I remind them that I actually am and they become more aware and super gentle. Even the gamertag AutisticFury made me Roll on the floor laughing in that RoE tournament. Sometimes when I spend a lot of time on a strategy and it works out for a sweeping victory in Squad Then I also imagine it as the enemies feeling the autistic fury of a asperger gamer while his chances of winning diminishes every second. Call me what you want. The results speak for themselves. - but please still respect people that get offended. Because autists cant handle pressure all the time so argueing with different people every Day about the word is literally impossible. So if they ever find strength to ask you to stop Then respect it. But as I Said, for me it’s fine, Call me what you want. I dont define my existance by the asperger anyway. English is not my first language but that you for the podcast lex. Your love for growth is inspiring
need more guys with your thinking
This is a very autistic comment
Wtf is "autistic af" lol? what are kids doing these days lol
*Damn man thats autistic af*
Respect bro.. A lot of people say "you can choose to be offended" or "don't give words power" - which I wholeheartedly agree with. I think what people don't realise is that it's a personal stance. Reality is everyone gets offended at certain things, you shouldn't use it as an excuse to be an asshole, and you'll probably get punched in the face for screaming the n word to prove a point.
Just fyi , as a black person I'd be highly offended if another black person called me the N word. Stop believing everything promoted in rap. Not all black people use that word. I'd say even over 50 % of us don't. And that's just in America. The percentage is much smaller when you include black people outside of America
@LTS 69 sorry buddy but unfortunately you cannot tell other people what to be offended by.
Imagine me going to court and calling a judge a Little Bi@tch. And telling them not to be offended and not to throw me in jail bc doing so makes them a baby. That's your logic when the fact is, some words can be offensive. And you aren't the officiator to tell an adult what they can and cannot be offended by.
Somebody who wishes to offend or express hate through the use of a word will not be deterred from doing so by the fact that the word is rarely uttered in conversation. If anything, quite the opposite.
Making the very utterance of a word taboo only makes it more powerful when used to express hatred.
If you tell someone that simply saying a word is the equivalent of doing violence, then you have provided them with a weapon with which to do violence when it is their goal to do so.
Similiar to that strange viral outburst several years ago about the ok symbol 👌being a symbol of hate and in support of white supremacy and the attempt to make it taboo and ban it. All your doing is giving ammo to white supremacists and racists who will now happily use a symbol that meant nothing even remotely offensive before as a way to offend and attack.
On the other hand, like with Lex's point, removing the normalisation of words or actions that are already offensive removes the use of those words from figures and people that the target group being offended may look up to or associate with, which is arguably much worse to hear these things said from those you consider allies than people you dislike/hate you already. Also, those who are hateful of those groups will find a way to show or spread their hatred without the use of single taboo words anyway. It doesn't make too much difference to the hateful, but makes a huge difference when those you look up to don't use it.
I think the whole point was missed in this discussion. It's not about the actual mouth noises being made, it's about the intent. It's about bigotry.
If you ban a word, a new one will pop up in its place. The alt right knows this very well. White genocide is now ethnic replacement or whatever. The jewery is the cabal, etc.
The retard - moron example as well. Ban retard, people will just start using the other word for the same effect.
It's just a dumb game of whackamole.
Very well put, and something a lot of the sjw folks do not understand.
Its easy to just not say it. Pretty simple, its a matter of showing respect.
It's kind of silly to think that we can't say certain words when we're talking about those words. It gives them more power than they should have.
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"Silly" isn't strong enough of a word to describe the brainwashing and illogic behind those words.
Like how a black person can scream that word 1000 in a row without getting in any trouble, but the moment a non-black person says it, it's a problem.
It's insanity, that the biggest streamer on Twitch, KaiCenat, who is black, can say say bannable words on daily basis, but if anyone else said those words they would get banned.
This is like some creepy larping rules, that Americans are following for no reason at.
Don't say Voldemort or he'll spank you
Start saying then let’s see where that gets you bud
then say it
I think banning words is ridiculous
Banning a word gives it power, and now when it's inevitably used against someone of colour its going to hurt/anger them a lot more as it's become a bigger deal
I don't see why anyone would get offended when used as a general expletive ie the Pewdiepie incident
You dont need to ban a word for it to have power. The n word had power during slavery when it was commonplace for slave traders and whoever to used it.
@@jett6206 I think back they were more focused on the act of slavery itself rather than the word they used to refer to them
It was the system with power not the word
I think we should ban the behavior that causes ppl to call someone the n word
@@jontyrosenow9396 the n word was just a way to verbally dehumanise / otherise black people. Enforcing the idea they were subhuman to justify them being slaves. They were n words meaning subhuman.
@@jett6206 It was adapted from the Spanish word for black, the dehumanising was in the slaver's actions not the word they used
I think you're applying today's standards to the mindset of people in 18th century
Lex: "I'm not trying to virtue signal"
*virtue signals for several minutes*
When I clicked on this nword video, I didn't expect to listen about Lex being hurt by the retarded word.
Yes. And the real reason for his entire rant with examples of words not to be used because they cause "hurt" and because they signal "intellectual inferiority" is actually because there is ONE word he doesn't want you to use, because that word/group has been branded as victims who suffered so much.
Then you get criminals and degenerates using it as a liability shield and when you call out their behaviour, they call you anti-...
Essentially, don't say that 1 + 1 = 2, because that's anti-...
The real question is, "Why do so many people want to use those words to begin with?" Regardless of who uses them, they all seem to make a person seem uneducated and low-class irrespective of race, gender, ability, intention, etc.
true hahaha
@@CapTin0bvious I wonder if we can ban the word Goyim 🤔
Lex draws a lot of assumptions based on little evidence. You can say bad words and still care about people and the world. Censorship is like a cancer, it keeps spreading and encapsulating more language and expression. Intent matters.
I've been saying this as well. You can say insulting things but not be against an entire race, religion, sex, etc etc.
@@PlayafromtheHimalayas But it does indicate an inferior mind, especially within a hateful context.
He says he doesn't think that 'dumb fuck' would be canceled.
Then he procedes to say "unless that word is hurting people's experiences". Where is the line drawn then? Like you said, censorship is a cancer that spreads. Lex fails to realize that
@@michaelk4740I like what Jay Z said. He said the more you use it, the less power and impact it has. But if you make the N word a taboo, then it’s going to have way more impact and power when uttered and it has the potential to do damage.
if you censor the way people speak, they will find a place to speak that way and maybe something like a cult will be born out of it.
Vocabulary matters , you ll feel soo muuch missing, try it out.
Lex talks about how it's "lazy" to use offensive words too much, but maybe it's even more lazy to be offended before engaging and exploring context.
The real question is, "Why do so many people want to use those words to begin with?" Regardless of who uses them, they all seem to make a person seem uneducated and low-class irrespective of race, gender, ability, intention, etc.
@@tdr.220 Yeah George Carlin seemed really uneducated up on stage.
@@tdr.220 Well, at least that's your perspective - and a belittling one at that. By putting rules on words when their use isn't intended, doesn't have the intent of being maliciously or derogatorily used - it causes friction. I shouldn't have to have hesitancy by simply stating a word - like if I was to say that the "n-word" stands for nigger; is it only appropriate for me to say if I'm singing a song that uses the word? People see the word and are reactive emotionally, rather than responsive to analyze and understand the context and intent. Yes, we have to be careful to not step on toes of those who will be hypersensitive - reactive and perhaps even to a dangerous level - of those who misinterpret or can't interpret and discern word use to understand context and intent. It's also an outdated word IMHO, and I like Morgan Freeman's take the most - "you stop calling me a black man, and I'll stop calling you a white man" - which then means making any words referencing race obsolete; I wonder if Google will flag my use of the word, and block this comment - which is problematic as well - especially for what if I was a black man who was using it, why should Google be suppressing acceptable language use? Nuance is most important.
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So saying the K-word and H-word referring to Jews is okay to bring back to frequent use?
@@moorliam You just did what's called a straw man argument, logical fallacy. I don't even know what words you're referencing in relation to K- and H- and I suppose you're possibly to afraid to enlighten me even if I ask?
The R word might come from a place of emotion and frustration but its NOT coming from a place of ableism
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Is there a difference between a mentally handicapped person and someone who's just really really dumb? Should one be protected while the other is not?
fact
@@appa609 not from words
sure..
Intent is what matters. If people start claiming pain and suffering because they hear words that have no intent to do so, they're being the asshole.
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why do white people wanna go around calling people the nword we're do u think it's okay to call black people the n word? If your white and you call people the n word your racist. That's called a lawsuit.
@@thedadlife247 You missed the part about intent. If it was quoted for some reason, or it's in a movie, or people were discussing the word without ill intent it isn't the same as if it was used toward someone. One shouldn't cause any offense, the other would. You gave an example where there is bad intent, what I said specifically excluded that. I was also talking about a different word, that wasn't clear, I think the reasoning still holds. A mature person shouldn't be harmed by reading The Adventures of Huckleberry Fin for example.
Exactly.
I think everybody agrees with this
Lex missed the mark here. Language is complicated. The fact that he doesn't see that moron or idiot or dumb f*** are no different than "the R word. " We just magically decided one day that one word is particularly offensive. Most of the time, empathy makes things worse.
The difference is that calling someone stupid, a moron or an idiot is usually an attack on their moral character. It means they're an ignorant person, refusing to look at more evidence etc. It implies they have agency but refuse to engage it.
Calling someone a retard, however, is likening them to the mentally or physically disabled who have no such choice. It hurts that group of people.
Spoken from a place of either ignorance or privilege. Just because something doesn’t bother you personally, doesn’t mean it’s ok.
The words are supposed to bother you that’s their purpose in being insults
@@daviddarkside4060 just because it bothers doesn't mean it's not okay
@@daviddarkside4060 I'm neither ignorant nor privileged. It's not the job of others to make sure a particular group isn't offended; I say that as a minority. No one is served by that.
I am not American but the US N-Word debate seems not a honest one but rather a racist, domestic power game. N-Word exceptions based on skin color...really? Demanding respect from others while parts of the same group glorifies the word and showing no self respect? For Contrast. In Germany nobody is allowed to glorify the Nazis and their symbols - not even Jewish people. Everybody get the same legal treatment if he does. The only exception are educational or artistic purpose. You are all in if you really believe its hurtful or you stfu. There is no "half pregnant" if its really so important.
Its not the words that matter, it’s the context. That’s really all that needs to be said on the subject. Carlin understood as much, if others don’t that’s their hang up.
Agreed, but let's not make it too simplistic. Has Destiny ever used the word from a position of hate? Clearly not I think. That's important. But he himself has changed his stance on it anyway, so there is clearly something worth looking at here.
Firstly, context is a two-way street. I may be able to perfectly articulate my ideas in French, but I try to deliver that to an English audience, its going to be poor communication. An audience should have empathy for a speaker's intentions, but a good public speaker must also have empathy for his audience's context. That includes understanding how these words may be recieved by some, even if not delivered with malice.
Secondly, what is the context of Destiny using the n word, vs avoiding it? There's a lot to be said on the matter, its definitely not as simple as "That's really all that needs to be said...". Just as one example, a willingness to take heat and be accused of virtue signalling by conspicuously avoid the word, compared to potentially alienating some black audience members by using it. That already says something.
Full context is not just the speaker's intention. It's the speaker's intention and thoughtfulness. And the same for the audience. And both exist within wider societal norms and assumptions. Simplifying it to the speaker's intention only is reductive.
@@Misclaneous You assume that my idea of context is one dimensional, it's not, I don't think it was for Carlin, nor is it for a majority of people who take this stance. What you went out of your way to describe in those paragraphs very eloquently- is as you put it, context... And what I said was- Context is what matters, as simple as that.
It's easier to get muddled down in what we both mean when we say Context, than perhaps it is to acknowledge that my initial point- the Words themselves don't matter, that no word is by itself harmful- its the person using it and why they're using it- could be true, but it's an easy enough point to agree on unless you're trying to say words are harmful in and of themselves?
I think cancelling words based off the feelings of others is a losing fight. You're basically telling to people to stop being mean.
Yes you should stop being mean
Yes, stop being mean to people. it takes no effort.
@@LoveFitsAll Ok. Now you only have 6 billion more people to convince, good luck pal.
@@sascha... I agree, now tell me how you plan on convincing everyone else on the planet?
@@bensmith9984 better than nothing
Is this an interview?! Lex is speaking so much I'd think he was on Destiny's podcast.
Imagine a group of friends calling each other some derogatory word in a playful way. Now, imagine a stranger walking up to the group and referring to them using the same word. It's so simple to understand.
*walks up to stranger* "Can you tell me what time it is, fa990+?"
The difference is when your "group of friends" is a group of internet strangers, and that "conversation" is being broadcast online for anyone to see. Almost everyone who joins the stream is a stranger to Destiny.
@@williamrutherford553 I am a huge Destiny schill. I have never heard him use any of these words. The only reason this came up is because while doing research on Destiny and Hasan’s split, Lex likely assumed that Hasan and Destiny’s conversation about Destiny occasionally using the N word in private conversation with friends must be his day to day behavior on stream.
Both are weird to me
Destiny kinda looks like he tries to cosplay Frodo and Aragorn at the same time
“Don't you see that the whole aim of Newspeak is to narrow the range of thought? In the end we shall make thoughtcrime literally impossible, because there will be no words in which to express it. Every concept that can ever be needed, will be expressed by exactly one word, with its meaning rigidly defined and all its subsidiary meanings rubbed out and forgotten.”
'It's a beautiful thing, the destruction of words. Of course the great wastage is in the verbs and adjectives, but there are hundreds of nouns that can be got rid of as well. It isn't only the synonyms; there are also the antonyms. After all, what justification is there for a word which is simply the opposite of some other word?’
I love you Lex. You targeted no less than five words for elimination in this clip. 😢
Everyone please read or re-read 1984 and Brave New World
Goddamn it's just people saying not to use a slur. Jesus Christ
@@NewSherrif don't say the lord's name in vain, haha, literally a commandment from God, if you need in that
This is where lex loses me
This is where I get more respect for him.
@@testacer5101 for not being able to explain his point beyond a vague use of the word "empathy"?
@@NoahMoorman For sticking with his beliefs and not caving into the people that get emotional whenever someone brings up responsible language.
@@testacer5101 yeah that's fair he just really sucked at actually explaining anything.
hes wokey
It's ridiculous to think that using a word on its own is offensive. Context and the emotion behind the word is everything. I think there is a huge difference in the way racism is perceived in America. I live in Australia I'm Asian origin and have friends of all races. We use derogatory terms against each other regularly. It means nothing and everyone knows it's just jokes because there isn't any I'll will behind them. Where as in America just saying the word nigga or between friends is a huge no.
No, the problem with America is we listen to conversations like this and parrot it to other people like dumbasses, but then we go to our close group of friends and act the same way you are describing. If i yell at my jewish friend and call him a jew for stealing my shit in a video game, i don't think he is going even going to question if i mean it. Hell even if someone does take it the wrong way, you bring it up and you let each other know there isn't any actual malice. this whole idea is just divisive, in reality when you have people in your life, the relationship you have with them should be able to survive a word without context.
This whole conversation in my opinion is disingenuous, the idea of language being the same with strangers and friends is venomous. We don't know other people we don't know what is acceptable to do around them. Thats what etiquette is for, we can't conform our mind to be inoffensive to everyone and to me this dialog expects that.
I bowed out of society for philosophy when I was a teen. I realized that INTENT is all that matters. Now I feel like I need to step out of society again to figure out how to walk on eggshells... but instead I just drink myself to death while being as good of a person as I can be... because FUCK catering to weak people with victim mentalities.
I've said a lot of things that offended people but only in the last few years have I expressed my intent and they didn't care. They wanted me to be who they want me to be. FUCK that.
Literally any word even the most inoffensive ones can be used as a slur. For example, the word "polack" literally just means polish man, but it is and was used as a slur. Context and emotion are definitely of utmost importance concerning this topic
@DGRIFF! drinking is a stress coping mechanism that creates more stress for you in the future. But there are other ways to cope with stress, don't cater to the weak inside of you, friend. Endurance, strength and breathing exercise, good sleeping habits, being around with people who mutually love and respect you, finding a purpose for your life and meaning worth struggling and eventually dying for, all of these lead to a much more interesting, happy and content life than numbing your worries with substances. Trust me, I speak from experience, had to go through real hell to get wiser, and I don't want others suffering like that when there's already so much wisdom out there you don't need to trade an eye for.
remember the JEHOVA monty python skit
15:26 Lex in a pained voice * " Just so we're clear....I'm not referring to censorship.." Dude you ranted for like 5 minutes at the guy about CENSORSHIP.
There is pressure here to self censor. I do that myself but I don’t think that my standard should be impressed on someone else. People really need to lighten up and stop being so easily offended. It will just keep creeping in to the point where people are afraid to express themselves anymore.
Huh? When?
Saying "the n word" is the same as using the actual word. Because as soon as you say, 'the n word", we all *think* the actual word lol
Yep
yea but nobody says “you’re just an n word”. they say “you’re just a n**ger”
The problem isn't thinking it though, it's saying it. So it is still a useful replacement of the word if you don't want to say it.
@@TheBigMeetch nah man cause it still conveys the same idea ....you know the point of words
@@NoahMoorman this is a thought only someone who hasn't graduated high school would think. Words have different connotations, even if they have the same meaning. A house is technically the same meaning as a home, but a home also implies warmth, safety, and family.
Your argument is factually incorrect and is being used as some sort of weird attempt to find a loophole to say a word you are told you shouldn't. If you want to say it then just say it, but don't hide behind completely illogical, categorically wrong arguments.
Even Lex saying Damn is offensive to a whole group of religious people. No matter what u say......Somebody out there will be offended.
Here's the thing tho... Sometimes...just _sometimes_ ...I don't care if someone gets offended.
Sometimes I'm even _trying_ to offend em.
It's ok.
I will defend other people's right to be offended by my words.
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And in return it's fine for people to point out that you're uncivilized and unintelligent for using those words.
@@nrXic Of course.
@@nrXic you seem like the type of person that would try to get someone fired for saying words. Gross
@@Goldilush Yeah if those words disqualify those people from being suitable for the job, then it is the rational thing to do. Like if you work at a fireworks factory and some dude says "I'm going to set these fireworks on fire in the factory" then I'll get him fired for those words.
This isn't complicated bud.
It's already normalized, it's used everywhere, music movies everyday language. Why is America so sensitive with their language ?
George Carlin said it best, Lex.
“They use language to control you”
its also easy to just repect the wishes of african americans and not say the n word. just a matter of respect
If you break down what lex is saying it is silly, it can be used in django but not in destiny's debates because he has fun on his stream sometimes? So it can be used in massive forms of entertainment but in a coversation about the ethics its ''to playfull'
i didn’t realize how soft lex was 😂
Frr lmao
fax lmao
I think Austin is getting to him lmao. That city is a brain rot incubator.
soft as shit
Lex was arguing against the use of certain words in casual inoffensive environments, like a discussion such as this one, yet he's not censoring himself when he refers to usage of words like Fuck and Bitch, which he admittedly is uncomfortable with. Is that not the very thing he stated would lead to those words being used in a more hateful context?
He also stated he wasn't trying to virtue signal, but simply refusing to say the words in an inoffensive context (even if it's only once and then thereafter called "the ___ word") such as this interview IS virtue signaling. Only the most puritanical among us in a civil society completely abstain from certain language simply on the basis that the words themselves are necessarily "bad" in and of themselves. It used to be the religious, conservative types (hence puritanical), and now it is the woke left trying to police and mutate language to suit their purpose, and indeed means the censorship of certain words over others.
life is a female dog
@@waltervereeck Woof woof
@@DarkCyberElf the Far Right and the Far Left have more in common with each other than with the center.
He said he’s uncomfortable with excessive use of those words.
The idea that words are violence is the embodiment of the R word.
I work with kids and adults who are supposedly in these affected groups, and I have friends who work with “affected” groups……I’m not sure who is connecting this word with them. That word isn’t used in those circles. Hasn’t been for a long time. I do think that this is pushed from “Allies” to the point of diminishing returns.
We’ve definitely heard the word around the kids more since the “r” word campaign.
You can chase the words or not. But remember that something will take its place.
Imagine a black gamer calling Jewish people the K WORD…..that’s how it feels!
This whole interview has been one of my favorites.. 150 minutes in and I can’t think of a time where political conversation didn’t escalate to screaming or feelings.. such a genuine conversation
Wow, best interview ever, no idea how legit Lex or Destiny were until now.
There should never be a banned or illegal words. That's such a dangerous path for humanity.
This guy is one of those frustrating cases where he looks and sounds masculine but his opinions and points are insanely soy and weak.
Never in my life have I understood why blacks use it but get triggered when others do. If it's so bad, why call each other that?
They are daring white people to say it. If you are scared to say it then it shows blacks have power over you and it boosts their ego. A lot of blacks also think they have the right to punch a white person who says it so be aware where this leads. In the end the stigma and possible violence is more trouble than it’s worth for most pussy ass white boys.
How old are u?
Because it's their word. You have nothing to do with that word. Just mind your business.
First of all they say ni$$a not Ní$$er thet are two completely different words
Lex's argument here is silly at best.
How so
He’s really leaning in on the chastising, just keeps on going. I think he got it 10 minutes ago. Beating a dead horse
My takeaway is that
1. You can say whatever you want to say. But dont be surprised if someone takes offense to what you said.
2. Words are words. They cant cause harm to someone directly, but sometimes these words invoke action. So let's just be careful with what we say (and don't say).
oh no shit I can say words and words dont cause physical harm?? I never would have guessed, thanks man!
@@InvisaPotion you're welcome
I actually agree with Destiny (at least here in the first minute) - Normalizing it is the only way to take power away from it. Limiting its use is what gives it that extra 'bite' that hits below the belt.
Honestly a very important and very interesting conversation here.
@@Theeeeea Freedom of Speech is why.
Fascism loves to censor words and be the moral police. I can see why you like it so much.
@@xMaverickFPS ok then go ahead, start yelling it in public because you love it so much, I won’t stop you. I don’t get you guys, is it really that hard for you to not say a word?
@@Theeeeea I'm not saying I love the word, I'm saying free speech is invaluable lmao.
If you can't understand the quote _"I may not agree with what you have to say, but I will defend, til death, your right to say it"_ then you can gtfo
Way to virtue signal. You definitely don't have any skeletons in your closet. Nope.
@@xMaverickFPS I’m not anti free speech or any of that, and who said I don’t understand that quote lmfao, and you’re saying I’m virtue signaling, are you smoking meth like destiny ? I don’t get why dudes are so eager to defend the n word, like the r word I can care less about, I literally just think if someone’s reading or quoting anything, they can literally just say “n word” I’m not here to ban swear words or anything, or even ban the n word at all, but the n word is not fully protected under free speech
@@Theeeeea You're the one focusing on that word specifically. I never even brought it up. I could easily be talking about the "F-word" or the "R-word" as well. I'm talking about all words tho, tbh. They're just words.
The amount of people in this comment section fighting for the use of the N word is wild.
We're fighting for morally proportional reactions to the word based on assessing context and intent. Thinking that you're a racist monster just cause it was said is fucking deranged.
Damn Lex believes in censorship haha
Ofc he's authoritarian in the name of "love"
I don’t think that’s his point, more like how he views a person, obviously there are loads of things that are legal that would bother you if people did. You’re allowed to call people the “r-word” but he just has less respect for people who use it
It's crazy to me that two grown men even speak like this. It's truly like watching children as they censor the words they r talking about. (I know it might be because of platform rules but still, it's so strange.)
Yea, to me, this is absolutely insane, that is not how I was brought up, this is childish.
I feel dumb. I had to look up what "The R word" is. 😂.
I believe that's retarded.
What is it?
@@Howitz759 They're talking about "retard" I believe.
A child understands this. You have to be taught to be scared of words by adults who have already lost their mind.
Or maybe the kids didn’t know the history behind the word, but Eric go in the store and shout your favorite word
This whole "don't say the word" thing is primary school shit. We used to have that with random words, when we were 8 or something.
As an African-American living internationally, I can definitely say that using the n word in itself especially to fight political correctness is a very bad thing to do. I don't use that word openly especially on an everyday basis, and it bothers me if someone tries to connect with me by using that word towards me or during conversation.
Words have history, context and meaning, which is how we use them, but if we begin to disregard those things for the sake of political correctness and freedom of speech, it's literally only going to cause more hate and violence.
The real question is, "Why do so many people want to use those words to begin with?" Regardless of who uses them, they all seem to make a person seem uneducated and low-class irrespective of race, gender, ability, intention, etc.
Lex's body language gives off everything he feels about a guest. If this was a poker table his tells would be seen in a matter of minutes. Still love the show, too smart for me at times but dam good conversations
what exactly would you say lex's body language tells us in terms of his feelings towards his guest?
@@user-ou4yc5ur4z He's folding his arms, raising his brows and looking down his nose. Indicates he's being adversarial/confrontational and talking down to him a little bit, which indeed matches what he says haha.
@@jpa_fasty3997 Destiny seems pretty annoying so I don't blame him.
Don’t use the N word especially if you’re not black.
I don’t use the F word or even the R word anymore.
Lex's comparison to musical notes and heavy slurs was brilliant. It fully explains that gut reaction after overhearing the word(s), even in a playful context. The desired melody we as a society strive for is world peace, so we're a ways off, but correcting notes along the way is not simply censorship of expression.
Yes it is because who decides which words are meant to be erased? The reason we have complete freedon of speech is because the nature of speech is subjective, words and meanings change all the time but if you couple in slang, sarcasm, and other ways to convey meaning it can all get quite convoluted. So naming any one word are too bad to say is dangerous, because what stops other words from becoming "too bad?" My idea is to just take away power from all words, "sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me," should be the second golden rule in my opinion.
@@epsteinsnoose5401 I get it and I mostly agree, but there are groups that inherently need protection, like children and the mentally disabled. That being said, the victim mentality should absolutely be weeded out from our society, not all differently abled people even want protection and we shouldn't coddle the children. The blacklist for words should be for words targeted to hurt those that cannot defend themselves, so not even all slurs.
@@thesoadjunky I completely disagree, there should be no blacklist. We should take power away from these words so the racists can't weaponize them, because if one word is taken away they'll just latch unto another.
No it’s not, it’s an appeal based on very little actually or convincing evidence. If it’s a tone that make you uncomfortable then that’s a reason for you not to like it but it’s not a reason to stop others from using it.
Context matter sure but if you hear a gamer say the word retarded you’re assuming their context, not everyone has the understanding that it’s derogatory towards a people group. And before i see anyone reply to it no words do not by themselves create harm, words paired with harmful ideas creat harm, “wow that’s retarded” is objectively less harmful by a large margin than “we need to gas all those non neurotypicals” notice how I didn’t use the R word in the latter but it’s more harmful than the former
@@thesoadjunkyShould we stop using "child" as an insult?
As in "You're such a fucking child, Frank, grow the fuck up"
Since this podcast, i've watched destiny a few times and he's never used the R word. Maybe there are instances but he clearly respects Lex on this. Fair play, absolute best discourse and I wish people with power would have discussions like this more
Destiny thinking using the n word is like Django is just too much 😂 he’s trying too hard to go against the grain
he's literally just saying if you're talking about the word itself it's okay to say it. he's not saying anything like that
@@AK-fu8ijwrong
Oh, so now it's the "r word" wtf
I am black and I actually believe, that society safeguarding us from a word (as if we’re some special case that needs extra care and protection), is ridiculous. I am Eritrean (East-Africa) but I was born in Germany. The racism in Africa itself, towards other Africans (especially descendants of slaves) is ridiculously higher than in Germany. Some humans are rude and the individual (no matter how he looks and what history his ancestors have) has to process this reality.
The weird part about blacks in the western world is, that they took the racial slur and reframed it as somehow empowering for the only reason that - now only themselves can use it. In my opinion this is self-damaging and stupid and not seen among the descendants of slaves anywhere else.
Given your background, I don’t think you have the historical context to understand the nuances of this topic. You have the right to share your opinion, but at the end of the day it’s just that, an opinion.
Are you ok with non Black using the word, in soft or in hard R form in a non hateful way ?
@@kingconann9998 If it’s towards me, of course. It’s an insult. It becomes weird to me when it’s regarded as derogatory when used by non-blacks but as a form of empowerment if used amongst blacks.
@@mohamudabdi5424 What kind of historical context are you referring to? Slavery took part everywhere, especially the slave-trade from Africa to the Arabian Peninsula was enormous and was operating for millennia. Racial slurs, that refer to descendants of slaves, exist in Africa and the Orient in the same way (if not worse) they do in the US.
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Words are not spell and we don't live in Harry Potter universe. N word became the same as "him who shall not be named" and it's ridiculous. You are giving power to the word by treating in this way.
Also, the argument that all black people can use it is moronic. I don't know any living person that was a slave in 1800's. Skin color alone gives you power to use the word regardless of context, which is obviously ridiculous.
In this segment, Lex uses gaslighting, masked behind the guise of Peace and Love(tm), against a lesser opponent. Even an anonymous no one, like myself, could debate out of this one.
Can you explain that?
Yeah lex swears he knows all the rules on language
we all like to think that when watching live debates like this but the reality is there's a reason it's those two debating in front of a million viewers and not us
I can't tell if this is ironic because this is the cringiest thing i have ever read
@@rockstar-made many of the comments here are from super cringe edgelords who have deluded themselves into thinking they're smarter than lex or destiny or most of the other guests on the podcast
The words that are extra offensive, to the point where we can’t name them even when discussing the word itself, was always strange to me. If you read Harry Potter, you probably thought it was silly at some point that they can’t even say voldemorts name. It’s the same concept with these taboo words-the only reason why they’re as offensive as they are is social construct and historical abuse. That’s not to say we should run around screaming obscenities, but it’s odd that we can’t even say a word when CRITICIZING it.
Okay but too be fair, saying Voldemort's name would literally curse you.
Lex couldn't be more wrong here.
Bruh when I was in highschool id make stupid arguments like 'I should be able to say it if im not calling someone that" but over time ive realized...theres no reason to say it. Its an issue of respect and aknowledgement of the feelings of people who just dont want you to say the mf word. Its not a hard thing to remove from your vocabulary as a white dude.
Well Lex is wrong here. haha The word Dumb is already being cancelled by some as an insult to people who can not talk.
It feels like Lex is talking down to Destiny a little bit here. I understand this might be personal for Lex because I disagree with him completely on this subject and it seems that he has to have a personal story behind this to argue in this way, but I feel even then his tone is a bit too condescending towards the latter half of the conversation.
I don't always agree with Destiny, but this is a very good discussion and something that should happen more often.
Sometimes a corner of the internet pops up where you actually get comments that analyze everything on their own. I really appreciate seeing people think for themselves when commenting, i like both of these people a lot, theyre great at what they do, doesnt mean i have to agree with either of them all the time
Language is an incredibly complex subject. On the face of it, words are nothing more than an arrangement of what are essentially symbols. These are then transposed into what become established as letters creating the foundations of a language. When arranged to make a word, on paper they are two dimensional both in their form and sound.
When people learn language either as their native tongue or foreign, words take on a new life in the form of sentences, paragraphs and books.
However, what is often overlooked is their three dimensional nature. Firstly, they have a meaning as assigned by linguists into dictionaries. Then certain words are adopted into the lexicon of individuals, groups and communities, irrespective of size. Words also have an origin story, a history of usage and it’s socially accepted meaning and appropriateness of that time.
I agree wholeheartedly with Lex about the use of particular words which cause pain to specific groups, namely the two words that were discussed. However, I do believe not as an issue of free speech but in the interests of understanding, educating and making effective arguments about said words, they should be allowed to be spoken in that context.
Throughout the conversation, just hearing the ‘N’ or ‘R’ letter as a reference to the actual words avoids delving deeper into why they’re so offensive. Words evoke emotion, it’s inherent in their history, usage and meaning. How we use said words, to whom what, where, when and why is critical in a conversation like this. You need to be able to demonstrate through use of those words in various examples and their context as to why they cause offence.
In a respectful, exploratory and educational discussion like this, you have to be able to say the actual word as opposed to a letter such ‘R’. Whilst Lex’s politeness at using ‘R’ (as opposed to the word itself) to argue his point is admirable, I believe it fails in its effectiveness and impact to help Destiny understand why his use of it is inappropriate.
We must not be afraid to use words to even illustrate points. From my experience, hearing the word out loud, used directly and illustrated further by variables such as volume, intonation, speed and ‘the way’ it is said would have been more effective in this conversation than using just ‘R’ or ‘N’.
You lost me the last 3 or 4 paragraphs. Saying retard wouldn’t illustrate a point or impact someone that already knows that line of argumentation and is already commonly using it. You say yourself words invoke emotion, and there is an inherent history usage and meaning, even on the a micro scale words can be used to express a negative, and thats okay.
Is there an inherent morality to someone that refuses to use those words publicly? Not at all. Does everyone afflicted with a negative trait or a part of a marginalized group take offense to these words? Not at all. Its it okay to not care about someone that does not understand the context or irony? Absolutely.
As someone with down syndrome probably wouldn’t like retard if they understood it, someone with a small penis wouldn’t maybe enjoy those insults, anyone with any trait that isn’t the norm could be hurt by that trait used as a negative, is this the ideal world? Over scrutinizing your words removing your own human emotion and history behind the language you use? Sometimes you just have to appeal to Alan Watts law of irreducible rascality “the crack in the vase is what makes it beautiful”
The N word should be used as original intent not casual conversation.
lol edgy bro, you realy got them
For people on here saying that you can’t censor a word blah blah, no one is censoring you from saying it. The N word is still legal to be spoken, but people will still tell you how they feel about it!
Words and the meanings to words change naturally in society so you don't have to force people to not use words, you just have to wait for the natural shift
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I like Destiny as a person but these arguments are not logically valid or sound.
“Won’t casual use of the N word among black ppl also increase casual use among whites?”
Literally no. We all know only Black ppl can say it and that’s worked out for decades 🤨 We all know that’s not the same..
“If I stopped using the R word, you’d just be taking me to task for saying dumb f%#@.”
Dude what?? So it’s morally acceptable to do something you know is wrong because you do other wrong things? The R word is particularly bad. Bad enough that our very impolite society has utterly disappeared it.
Never thought that even in good light you would be empowering the bad, Lex taught me a new way of looking at words today.
Terrible argument
You're empowering the bad when you make bad words more shocking and hurtful by enforcing it to be taboo
@@krishiebobbybill3209 i can't take you serious with that profile picture. the 2000s boy bands called G. they want their look back. you don't have to hate the world anymore my guy
@@Ty-vn3cu being judgmental like that completely invalidates your point G
As someone with a largely ambivalent opinion towards the use of racial slurs, I actually find it kind of humorous how much power has been given to certain words with historical connotations. I get a huge kick out of seeing black people become irrationally enraged at someone using the N word, solely for the reason that they aren't black. Black people use the N word constantly, it's become almost as common in their vernacular as the word "the". There is an amusing irony in the fact that they're still calling each other the same word that slave owners used to call them. Even more amusing is the argument that they're somehow "reclaiming" a word that was always intended to be derogatory.
Lex should invite Stephen Fry on, he will set him right on all this "being offended" nonsense
This conversation gets so old for me. You are free to use the N word. It is your right. We are free. We are American. Use it as much and as loud as you want. If you don't want to use it then don't complain about not being able to. You aren't a victim. If you want to and choose to, go for it but understand other people have rights as well and those rights may not be very beneficial to you and your future. I was called the N word because the person had the right to do so. I respect that. Again, I'm all about rights. I also had the right to destroy his career and reputation, which I did. We all have rights and I don't want to hear any complaints about my choice to excercise mine. The hypocrisy would be too much. We are all free to say what we want to whoever we want. No exceptions. 🤷🏾♀️
It's this simple. Freedom of speech is not freedom of consequences
@@NewSherrif Exactly!
@@jammzy2959 im not black and i say the n word in friend groups cause its funny
@@jammzy2959 o yea im also autistic
I dont even know who destiny is but I really doubt he thought he would get this much pushback from lex after the Kanye interview
Racism is saying you’re not allowed to make certain sounds with your face. Context is everything.
The discussion on "NPC" really bought to the fore what I think Destiny's purpose with these words actually is. I think that this is true for everyone: that we often use a colourful insult where we fail to communicate. Where we cannot seem to get through to someone in _our_ communication game (with Destiny it's probably his fact-centric approach), I think we want to try and situate our interlocutor into as universal a narrative that we can muster in a desperate attempt to force a degree of understanding from them, even if it's just associational. Words that are universally sour serve to do just this. Destiny may be in a conversation with a particularly obstinate woman with a mental illness and a predilection towards saying things whose consequences she hasn't thought about, for example. In this case, Destiny may think something like: "well, I cannot irk out a single concession from her; she seems not to be engaged in the conversation with the level of good-faith I need from her for this to work. Calling her 'retarded' might serve to alert her to how she appears to me, since the level of the conversation is so juvenile, this might be the only thing left for me to do." I think it's still a mistake, not for just aesthetic reasons though. We could probably see the same thought process in an 'unhappily' married couple. The reason it's wrong is because it never works.
Just because an argument is negative doesn't mean it doesn't work. You just express to whoever you are having the argument with in whatever words that "fuck you" and so on. But once the argument is over and people separate those ideas do get explored. This idea that negative arguments that go sideways in the worst ways possible don't lead anywhere or change opinion isn't correct. Especially in the internet era because those people disappear almost instantly but the ideas remain. And because the people on internet disappear so fast it enforces that ideas aren't attached to people. Where as in real life there can be more of an attachment that makes it more difficult to separate ideas and people.
@@Raumance It doesn't work as rhetoric, not argument. If you call your wife retarded in the hope to communicate how you feel, you are almost certainly going to make her shut down, whatever the fact of the matter might be.
Destiny is such a NPC
@@chillingguy8386 absolutely he is!
Never thought I’d hear lex say “bad ass bitch” lol
Would love to see Tyler the Creator on here talking about the exact same thing.
Or Logic
Conversation sounds so silly when they don't say what they are talking about.
This is just lex lecturing destiny while shutting down any attempts at a nuanced discussion lol
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Idk they look like they're having a nuanced conversation there. It's just that usually he interviews and here he debated. But he debated in a very fair way
@@fatnose0 taking a stance without defending that stance or engaging with the other person's argument is not a debate
Lex is certainly much smarter than I am, but refusing to move past "you shouldn't hurt people's feelings" is an argument my 8 year old could come up with, and it's far from a nuanced one
good. things like the n word dont require a complex discussion, its just a basic respect issue to not say the damn word.
knives are pretty normalized, i doubt me spreading butter on toast makes anyone more likely to get stabbed. just a joke, chill
Ideally, all those words should be used more, not less. Look at the C-word in Australia; everyone uses it all the time and because of that it has a lot less power.
As an aussie i dont think any word is offensive because we are not a bunch of pussys 😂
Growing up in Texas, the c word was considered the most degrading, deadly insult if directed at a woman spoken by a man - whose face would almost certainly be slapped. At least that was the case 20 years ago.
I believe it's lost much of its impact the past couple of decades here partially due to extensive internet trans-oceanic exposure and communication with the Aussies and Brits who assign it a more casual value.
@@Grenadier311 My take is the more offensive the culture, the less offense is taken.
The c word isn’t even close to the N word
@@streglof And societies where violence over words is liable to erupt are either polite or dysfunctional.
I had a Russian girlfriend in London who took great joy in using the N word in public and close proximity to black people. I warned that she was going to get us both stabbed, but she really did not understand the weight of the word, and seemed to think I was exaggerating. I don't know how we account for those people. I mean, not every nation enslaved and oppressed black people. Can a Russian in London say the N word like a black person can? I don't know. And, to be honest, there was no depth to my thinking when I was with her. I just really did not want to get stabbed.
Bro how hot was this chick that you were willing to risk your life like that
@@gyytgy3330 Hot enough to endure the threat of a stabbing, but not hot enough to be stabbed because of her and then remain with her... about 8.3/10.
Finally I disagree with Lex, and I have so much love for him. But I believe he misses the mark here, I agree with destiny. Saying the word between 2 people instead of semi censoring by saying "the n word or the r word" doesn't hold us responsible for anyone using it for the purpose of hate. Also words have different impact on people. The r word isn't as impactful to me and I don't mind to say it or have it be said. But the jump to conclude I don't have compassion for the disabled because so is a bridge 2 far.
I think it's different when you actually know someone with a disability.
if u say the nword ur racist it's not a hard concept. So why do white people say the n word?Am black and ain't say the n word so if u call me the n word your racist.
@@tdr.220 exactly!
Even if it does increase the proclivity of a verboten word, it is preposterous that there is a double standard for these words. Free speech is essential for a democracy, and HATRED is inherent in human nature. As JBP says, you don't have a right to not be offended, you have a right to be offensive. Yes there are social repercussions for that, but such is life. Lex is speaking as an ideologue, not a realist.
I didn't expect Lex to take such a strong few on this. It is interesting how our vocabulary is changing. When I was a teenager me and my friends would use all the slurs very casually, xbox live back in the day used to have some really nasty stuff on there. We never really used them in a nasty way it was more just trying to out do each other. I think the most common one was calling everything gay. Exam next week? oh thats gay. Out of chips at the canteen? thats gay. It really meant nothing but we used it all the time. I then came out as Bi, and if I think back I don't think I ever really minded but then again I know others who said it did upset them, and perhaps it upset me subconsciously. I think it is inevitable that in the future even saying you idiot might be seen as bad. I guess its a move in the right direction, however it is frustrating having to change something that you have been doing for a long time, especially when the benefits are quite hard to see.
The primary change in society has nothing to do with individual words, which is why the list of “banned” words is constantly growing and evolving. The societal changes is all based around the idea that words = physical harm. So now we have to deconstruct each word to make sure it’s pure enough in origin, meaning, and evolution to be accepted into the modern lexicon.
That’s gay im not reading all that
That’s bi I’m not reading all that
I think some of it is also you maturing. Not all of it has to be societal change sometimes people change.
Internet culture has shifted the "R" word in such a way that it is synonymous with calling a non mentally disabled person "dumb." Way more often than not, the "R" word is used towards people who aren't mentally disabled or neuro divergent. Thus the original intention or use of the "R" word is not being used in the derogatory way that it was created for.
people r soft these days. Words are words.. your pain from words is self inflicted.
5:40: “I hate calling the women ‘bitches’, but the bitches love it..”
10:36 Hang on a minute... The word "moron" was the term for mentally disabled people before the word "retarded" became the term. That being said, don't you think we're overthinking this word policing to some extent? It's like watching the human race (in America specifically) who used to have better things to do than harp on what words you can use endlessly chase their fucking tail. I personally value free speech (even if it's not nice or something I don't agree with) more than anyone's feelings and believe it or not, I'm a liberal. If the use of any word makes you think of the person who used it as less of an intellectual simply for using the word regardless of context, THAT makes me think of YOU as less of an intellectual. I'm supposed to care about how my use of specific language makes you feel but you don't have to care about how your attempt to force censorship on others based on what is literally your feelings and assumptions makes them feel. If you can't see how that's both hypocritical and in a sense "society chasing it's tail" about something that isn't as important as what it's being made out to be thanks to social media, then I don't know what else to tell you other than "bye". To be fair, I understand the concept of collateral when it comes to certain word use but there's also responsible use where there is little to no collateral to using those words so I'm not shutting out "the other side of the coin" in terms of what I just said, but what I just said is the side of the coin that far too few people have even seemingly looked at or factored into their own thought process on this topic. JMO. I could expand so much on this but I'm not trying to write a book here. Last thing I'll say is this: I won't read comments to this post so don't waste your time unless you have plenty of it to burn and nothing better to do because I definitely have better things to do. Sorry, not sorry.✌
This is a white guy calmly rationalising why it’s normal to casually use a word that objectifies blacks but Kyrie Irving has to pay half a million for having tweeted the link to a movie on Amazon.
Btw, I'm mixed half black and half-white which makes me black in America (cause I'm impure everyone defaults to thinking I'm black despite the fact I'm equally white). Been called the N-Word MANY times. The thing is it allows white people to always have this social upperhand...they can default to the N-word and always let you know you're inferior. I have a doctoral degree..doesn't matter some guy at Walmart can prove his superiority anytime he chooses.
That said, talking ABOUT the word should be completely fine. Like an intellectual context or as he said in a move context of course its fine. The idea of a magic word no one can ever say is stupid to me.
Are you inferior though?
Well, obviously not. Why would I care what a person who may think that they are superior to me thinks or says. When I was a kid we were taught the “Sticks and Stones” poem. I grew a thick skin at a young age.
The real question is, "Why do so many people want to use those words to begin with?" Regardless of who uses them, they all seem to make a person seem uneducated and low-class irrespective of race, gender, ability, intention, etc.
@@ChrisPBacon-yz6nk yeahhhhh but they don't give u the right to be a bully. I don't care about no stones their should be 0 bully tolerance.
So you are OK with Destiny calling you the word privately with his friends?
Maybe don't treat a word like a "social upperhand"? It is simply an insult, similar to a lot of others.
If using a derogatory word even in a non-derogatory way causes it to become normalised and causes people to use it more, shouldn't he self censor "bitch" and condemn it's use even in positive ways?
2:48 Lex "its who used the N-word that matters..." yeah proving his point. That context matters! Just admit defeat no need to figure out a way to keep a silly idea that he just destroyed through logic.
It should only be frowned upon if you have the intention to employ it as a racial slur.
Agreed. Because in that the problem is not the word in itself, but the intention of racially slur someone.