The Lie of Sengoku Nadeko | Otorimonogatari/Koimonogatari Analysis
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- Monogatari is filled with liars. Characters deceive each other--characters deceive themselves. But arguably, nobody more so than Sengoku Nadeko. Like a doll, Nadeko hides behind this cute image, retracting inward both to avoid the ugliness of others as well as her own shadows inside. However, this mask is not her greatest deception. Nadeko's biggest lie is the lie she tells herself that she deserves to stay hidden.
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Kaiki steals the show everytime he comes on screen
"Why don't you ask that guy over there?"
a thief and a conman
kaiki best girl
Yes
THE best girl
Everyone hates her because of how she is. They hate her self-deceiving, they hate her passive attitude.
Problem is, she also hates herself. The irony of knowing your weaknesses but being too weak to overcome them is what makes her such a relatable character.
"Yes, i know I'm a coward. But I can't force myself to stop being a coward because i am too coward... to stop being a coward."
You can keep your weaknesses to your own if you want to stop trying to overcome it. Don't involve others otherwise you'd end up hurting them. This is probably the reason why people, dislike her character. She is inconviniencing a lot of people with her weaknesses while she's too paradoxical in dealing with it and the worst part is that she wants/expects the others to solve it for her.
i love her
@@loristnorton3723 You forgot the fact that the author used this characters to portray some value. She is being written that way and she had no control over whether she should change or not. The author used kuchinawa as a gate way for her to change. She does eventually open herself up but not all. Remember that she didn't open herself about that she could become a manga artist. For her dreaming to be a manga artist is the same thing as idolizing araragi. Something that you love but unattainable. She forgot that manga artist and araragi is two different thing. And thus kaiki enters the picture. He get to convince to nadeko to finally being true to herself completely by acknowledging that she could become manga artist and should not fear of any failure or rejection just like how she get to let her feelings known by araragi in nadeko medusa. So all in all her character is being written that way, you can't just say she expect everyone to solve her problem. Kuchinawa is the evidence that she want to be better. Each people have their ways to change but unfortunately, nadeko is one of the unfortunate fortunate people who live in nisio isin world of monogatari so everything get blown out of proportion.
Hey can u not sum up my life
It's not that other people that hate her. That's why she's able to slide using the same tactics over and over again. Because she's cute (appearance and behavior) and it's easy for her to act in a way that others dote on her. But she reasons that if she didn't happen to be cute (as Shinobu points out) then she eouohave the friends she has (Tsukihi) and she wouldn't be able to get away with the act that she puts on. It's almost a reverse narcissism where society treats her a certain way, and she gets us s to that and it's easier for her to fill that role without coming into her own.
I'm sad everytime people dismiss Nadeko's character as simply villainous or callous of others. At the end of the day she's still very much just a kid, trying to find herself in the most extreme monogatari way possible.
I don't think I could trust someone who dismissed Nadeko like that... Nadeko is clearly dissociating the entire time. Nadeko fairly explicitly experiences symptoms of psychosis. What version of Monogatari would someone who dismissed her as just being a villain even have watched? The version where they don't have any sympathy for mentally ill 14 year olds... Yikes
Unknown Ceilings Yeah, part of what I love so much about "Nadeko Medusa" is how well it nails that "I'm not here, this isn't happening" feeling of losing your grip on reality out of severe stress and self-loathing. It honestly reminds me of Guy de Maupassant's work, if a little less chilly.
yeah i am tried of people calling her a *bitch* just because of the arc in 2nd season
True, in the end, she is still just a teenage girl. The only problem is that she expresses her problem in the worst way possible.
Kaine West yeah. Especially since nadeko medusa is not only a great arc but also kinda symbolises mental diseases and stuff. It’s like nadeko is losing her grip on reality
Nadeko characters arc doesn't get nearly enough love as it should. Great job pointing it out.
That's one of my favorite tho
Yeah cant wait they animate 5 of her personality split forgot the name of the book
@@musachimiyomoto8329
4 created shikigami each representing her past personality to be precise. It's not like she actually had split personality herself.
Book called Nademonogatari.
I always enjoyed the theory that Nadeko Medusa was so good to make up for how boring of a character she was in Nadeko Snake. It’s the most interesting arc of the second season
@@UniGya I don't think Otori would have been nearly as good if it wasn't such a juxtaposition of her character in Bake. Although she was always like this I guess, but you don't SEE it in Bake. I feel like her character had to play the simple damsel (which Oshino sees right through in the novels) in order for Otori to have as much impact as it did.
DO YOU KNOW HOW LONG I'VE WAITED FOR A VIDEO ON OTORI/KOI?
Thank you so much for your hard work, this is amazing.
There's never enough analysis on Nadeko. Thanks for doing this! Favourite character in the series by far for me, and certainly the most relatable.
she's the worst tier waifu but also one of the most intriguing ones, especially because her forcing herself to be basic waifu thrash adds a nice contrast to the artisanal waifu lineup. because she's forcing herself to be ideal moe loli and doesnt end up likeable for it, its easier to see that monogatari likes to create appealing characters, and that they're appealing exactly because they're not -just- ideal moe. and then she gets an interesting story arc instead of being a moe waifu. i like her in this meta fashion, how immediately pale the clingy moe loli character trope suddenly seems
@@Crosshill no.
@@FEGTTTSDH understand what now, fegtttsdh?
@@Crosshill Sorry I read wrong...
@@FEGTTTSDH lol np
Damn. This is why I love monogatari, why I have all the novels on my shelf. And this video eloquently transposes that. Nadeko was a character that took me a while to understand, which is funny because she is quite similar to me.
I'm someone that wants to be a comic artist, I want to pursue that passion. Yet at my birthday party when my mother gifted me some manga drawing books I waited until we were in private to truly thank her, to thank her for paying attention to what I had been talking about. Because I didn't want my family knowing about it and having expectations of me, expectations I would be afraid of letting down. I find myself beating myself up if I don't work at my comic because I know it is what I am passionate about. I know that if I just say I'm gonna do something it is never going to happen, I have to actually put in that work and effort to see my dreams come to fruition, so I don't tell anyone except my closest friends about the things I work on. I think that being a creative is one of the hardest things because you have to acknowledge your shortcomings and actively work to better yourself, you can't just go through the motions. And sadly most of us creatives also have the curse of never being able to see the quality of our own work, no matter how good you get it is never good enough, and even someone that can't draw etc complimenting it doesn't help. Creating things is truly a cursed endeavor in which you lay your soul bare for the world to see, and sadly that is what makes it so beautiful. You put a portion of yourself in everything you make.
how many novels are?
@@ceciliadelvalle2920 well because they have translated more books I don't have them all but I have 16 out of 26 monogatari books. Some of which I collected in both japanese and english.
@@zoidsfan12 wow
Can't wait for more Monogatari vids from you; hope you do one on Ougi in the future!
2hr analysis video determining Ougi's gender
And Sodachi. I really enjoy Sodachi's character.
@@illegallyrested8868 if you watch zoku owarimonogatari you should've known
@@volante56 Haven't watched Monogatari since the first Owari but that's good to know that they answer that, wiki still has Ougi's gender as "indeterminate".
I should pick it back up ty.
didnt they call Ougi the Niece of Season 1 oshino (forgot his name lol)
top 3 most well-written girls on the show. people who like to dismiss her and call her trash need to rewatch the show.
Well said!
She is trash for slaughtering that snake.
Can we take a sec to appreciate the masterful work of Shaft, with incredible use of visual metaphor and cinematography. Especially for a series based off a NOVEL.
the thing i appreciate the most about the value added from the adaptation, is how no one but main characters exist in a world consisting solely of their internal lives. its somehow that calm focus that a novel can give off, by not cluttering the pages. all in all the way the story and world and characters are presented are basically 1:1 with the novel, so its not really based off of it as much as they just added visual metaphor and cinematography and voice actors
I mean nisioisin(the original author) is working with shaft to do the anime so it kinda help a lot
I think that this series and Shaft are a match made in heaven
I mean, what other studio gives LSD to their staffs?
@@christopherhalim2801 answer: trigger
name a series thats not based on a NOVEL nowdays.
Hanekawa is still best girl, but Sengoku is an extremely close second for me. I adore her, and it's kind of a bummer she's so hated because if more people understood or were willing to understand the point of her story (which you nailed 100% in this video btw), a lot of them would probably like her more.
Only edgy kids hate her anyway. Fandoms are always garbage.
I think the people who dont like her dont like her in the earlier arcs which is intentional writing. As a character she is amazing following her arc, I could never enjoy how she acted while she was hiding
She a great addition to the story, but she a butt for taking advantage of everyone
Im new to the series but I love her. she is so human and real. One thing I really love is how she loses her mind due to her own deceiving, when kaikis asks her about Araragi and she just says she wants to kill him in such a innocent way. I think she really loved him and dindt want to kill him but she was so distanced from her own feelings that she ended hating him. Also her openings are the besto xD
Emmanuel Rodriguez YEESSS I SEE YOU,THE SAME THING KINDA HAPPENED WITH Someon else but since your new o won’t be saying that.
Nadeko will always be my favorite character from monogatari like all of them are amazing and perfectly written but I feel like nadeko is the most real feeling of all of them like her personality is something that I’d actually believe would be a common occurrence in real life
That's probably because she's the only one that doesn't have some well trained traits. Like, Hanekawa's insight and knowledge, Senjougahara's actions and persona, Kanbaru's training and such...
I never understood why everyone antagonized her so much. I always found her very relatable and I'd get sad seeing such a relatable character being so hated on. Nobody talked about how Shinobu and Araragi's younger sister which was supposed to be her best friend bulied her unjustifyingly because they "can't stand her".
A character who draws manga, in an anime, that's not based on a manga, but because it's a normal dream.
This series perfectly executes 4th wall breaks
Nadeko is by far my favorite character in the whole series and overall I think is along Kaiki and Shinobu one of the best written characters in the series, no, she BECAME one of the most well written characters in the series.
Idk at which stance did Nisio plan to explore even more Nadeko as a character but he managed to make a continuity of how much the story reveals the deepness of her character. From just a little tease of oddness in Nadeko Snake, a weird interaction in Tsubasa Cat, Nadeko "out of character" in Nisemonogatari, her entire character being expanded and antagonized in Nadeko Medusa, an unexpected exploration of her past and true feelings in Hitagi End and finally a welcomed redemption in Nadeko Draw. I really hope they adapt the off season volumes soon (I really hope we get the official translation of Nademonogatari even sooner, they already translated Zoku Owarimonogatari)
Great video about one of the more tragic heroines of the show. The self-deceptive front and rottenness of Nadeko's personality really made her stand out from the other girls in the franchise. (Even though every character are really great on their own too!) Nadeko just seems to get the most flack just for being an "antagonist" and it's really nice to see this kind of a deep-dive to her character and giving her recognition. Hoping to see more character analyses in the future!
BIG PROPS to MrNiesGuy for the monogatari-style word frames in the video. Really tickled my Shaft/Shinbou bone.
Tickled your Shaft bone, ah yes...
I just finished this Arc with Kaiki and her and... I don't really get why she is hated by being an "Antagonist" Since she isn't the first, nor the only one that tried/did kill someone or destroy something. Shinobu in some other timeline pretty much destroyed the world and even has her antagonist arc... Yet for some reason she has a lot of fans. Same for Hanekawa, Black Hanekawa tried to kill Araragi, but everyone forgets that too... And don't even remember Kanbaru at all that tried it two times.
Nadeko just gets hated just because
Out of any character in monogatari i related to sengoku the most, she’s one of my favorite characters in all of fiction and she doesn’t deserve so much hate
9:49
*I REJECT MY HUMANITY, ARARAGI!*
Is this a JoJo reference
@@Kira-mu2im That's 200% a JoJo's reference!
Arararagi
NADEEEEKOOOOOOOOOOO
NoName Ah, a JOJO reference.
sengoku nadeko is actually the best girl in the series. theres so much depth and feeling in her character but people dont even realize that
But hachikuji, tho.
@@baronvonbeandip *Shinobu, nadeko is 2nd best
While saying that it seems like nadeko is more a main character and seems more character than even araragi. Especially after listening to this in depth detail extensive lecture.
Just makes me wanna watch over again.
I mean she has a whole lot of depth, but which heroine doesn't in monogatari? Senjou, hanekawa, shinobu, hachikuji and even bestgirl kaiki all possess such depth as well.
I have a question. Isn't Nadeko undeniably mentally ill. How would a healthy mind's subconsciousness guide someone in this kind of multi-layered manner.
Thanks for making this video, to be honest Nadeko is probably the character i despise the most in Bakemonogatari, i guess that because her character hits too close to home. Which for me after witnessing all her arcs becomes really relatable. The thing i can relate the most with her is how she perceives her own image, and invisible "impression" of who she is, how others see her that she has internalized on her own. That by her circumstances she felt that she could not properly express who she is.
I'm on my own has faked my own self since my adolescence, probably after seeing that others might not accept me for being who i really am. I learnt that being different is not so desirable. That there is always someone opposed to me being the way i truly am, of course at that time i was so self conscious i couldn't see it from any other way. To keep the status quo in order to not be opposed, to avoid conflict, so that i won't be left alone. Not that it changed anything, infact i was quite a loner in my younger years.
So i kept that facade, being oblivious to the world, to the point i enter my adulthood. As an adult i was surprised by the change, that nobody really gives a shit for my behavior, that as long i did not hurt anybody i was fine. Still for me it took some years to finally came out of my shell like Nadeko, it took me my own breakdown having to come in terms with myself, to be vocal to what i really feel, to finally act on what i really want without trying to keep my "image" and my own expectancy either for myself or others. Now that it is over, i felt much better that i learn to value my own judgement and views on what really brings me a fulfillment.
If anthing i regret is that i don't know any better, that i wasted my adolescence, confining myself to the image i was imposed not because people force me to but because i was afraid to show what i really am, afraid of change, and doing what i really wanted.
The conclusion is that don't be afraid to express yourself, remember that not everyone matures at the same time and excuse them if they resent you because you're being truthful to yourself but don't let them sway you. In time people will realize that it is up to them and their own self to be happy, like Oshino said that only can save yourself and if you can help it, try to be someone that can bring others their best and to make them realize what is their power and to focus on that is what makes them well... them.
To be honest, we may not be the main character, but we have our own stories in this world, it is up to us to write our stories or have it written by others beside us. Have the confident to act, of course people will come and go in our lives and they would inevitably influence us, but that doesn't mean they're the only ones that form us to be what we are today. Remember we have to take control own wheel or else others would control our wheel away from us.
Sorry for rambling, i just wanted to share my thoughts and to see if there is someone else that felt this way. I know there are people that can say this better than me, but i just want to encourage those that are struggling with this too. For those that happens to be facing this, i just want to say i'm your friend, and that trust me you're going to be okay. For others that managed to read this far even though you did not experience this, either way, thankyou for listening, God bless you.
I just read the whole thing . Your welcome.
Thank you for everything you have said. I personally can relate to almost all of what you wrote and reading about it gives me hope about what my future holds for me.
During the last year I had the courage to face the fact that all of what I have done since then was all about a person I pretended to be just to be accepted by others. It was hard, I had to leave university and come to acceptance that what I always thought I wantend was just an illusion. The only problem is that I was so into my false persona that I actually never even really question myself, what I like to do and what I want to do. I was finally the real me but to me I almost felt like a stranger, I didn't even know where to begin to get to know myself.
I'm still struggling to find what I want to do with my life and the passing of time just gives me fear about my future, but I'm relived to know that there is an end of this tunnel.
PS: Sorry for all the grammar errors, I'm not used to write in english.
@@lucasammartino3974 It's okay, i'm also not a native speaker of English too.
Well speaking of a new beginning all of us has to go through it, personally i was just starting to get my grip in life like 2-3 years ago when people already started way earlier. I know I felt i was left behind BUT it doesn't matter right now because i know what really matters to me, so i simply choose to left that weight behind and pursue my happiness. I got to met people with similar interest and genuinely support me so i'm content with it. Ofcourse there is going to be some people who will not agree but again, i know what i really want to persue.
A lot of people aren't accepted until they get successful then suddenly people stop complaining, that is what human does so don't let it get your nerves. I support your decision if it is for the betterment of yourself. So buddy seek that dream, make it a reality. Use it to be an inspiration to empower others and be happy, cheers
I love the fact after her arcs, her later short appearance in Owarimonogatari S2 was enjoyable to see her again and shows how those arcs changed her outlook since.
And PS, that classroom scene was sick and Kaiki became best girl in that arc.
I’m just realizing but the monogatari series is just a bunch of life lessons
uh, this is most media, my dude
Great video essay. UnderTheScope always brings quality content.
Seeing even a bit of this makes me PAAAIINFULLY aware that I haven't seen anime in months, and I NEED to fix that....
Very glad this got recommended to me, i've always felt like people are way to harsh on Nadeko and brush her off as a generic "worst girl". Now to check out your channel for more of these analysis goodies.
Great analysis, please do more monogatari!
Finally someone made a video about these two fantastic Monogatari arcs. Despite being called "trash" in the fandom, I've always loved Nadeko character and I relate to her a lot. I've been isolating myself from others and I still have problems communicating my own feelings, my family didn't help because I was their "revenge" to people who thought I was going to be a problematic child anyway in the future. In my middle school days I endured, in the highschool I snapped and at the same time lost my dream. At the time I first watched the Otori/Koi arcs I didn't understand in dept the real issue but I felt it so close in some way that it helped to cope with mine. Now it's not solved enough, but at least I'm trying to get better and kill that "pure image" I've been creating in my past. You analized her character perfectly and it would be interesting if you'd like to make more of these analysis of Monogatari characters. Thanks a lot for the vid, subs
It seems like you still didn't learn though . Why are you trying to get rid of it ? Why not just accept it and move on ? You need to accept what happened and move on . To reject your past is a foolish thing to do .
Watching this after Off Season is even better, Nadeko's arc has to be one of my favourites in anime.
true
Remember Kaiki’s existence is a lie. This means he isnt a sleazy middle aged con man. He is secretly best girl.
I am so glad you uploaded this. I was desiring an explanation after Medusa, being utterly confused. This video not only helped me understand that, it helped me understand why I liked Nadeko so much.
I relate to this story alot my experiences are mostly lies ive been told or i have told and i have tried so hard to hide my self and escape from reality that i succeeded and forgot everything and barely remembered anything and the reason why i always wear the clothes that hide my body the most like hoodies and jogging pants is because i use them to hide myself i even like growing my hair long i never really thought about it before but it feels like its also to hide myself behind.
I have always been picked on for my looks and my overly underweight body i was always called a skeleton with skin on top and i always had a tendency to have a world of my own its almost like a split personality when i snap people that picked on my flee as they frantically try to escape and hide from me a monster made out of rage and frustration, i was always a pacifist back then and still am now and I've gotten better at controlling my self and holding back on hurting others as this is my second chance so i hide behind a mask and act like im pure and fully selfless.
I have never really looked at my self as a hero even before i loathed my self i just saw myself as a below average person trying to pass by and help others but being so nice made me a target of everyone bully me until they need something i even almost lost everything i loved and knew just because i felt bad for this manipulative bad person for guilting me to giving him what i had and me being hungry for months in school.
We got in a fight i snapped and i beat him in the end i had no scratch on me i threw tables and kicked things over ruined the class room broke his backpack and helped him get home as a sorry i got lost and almost lost everything i loved and knew but i got home eventually i never talked to him again he had a smirk on his face i honestly thought about killing him but i did the right thing im not a murderer, That was also the year my self loathing started he was the one to set everything off.
I used to draw alot when i was younger i used to talk alot while i was younger more polite and happy and helped anyone in anyway i could, until i grew up and started to loathe my self and with doing so i have noticed while backtracking that i have done everything i used to less and less i talked to everyone less and less overtime and became reserved and quiet, i drew less and less but most importantly i became less happy and more depressed and disappointed.
And growing up i grew cold unforgiving almost emotionless and cared less about others to the point where i am debating if i am a sociopath, its the opposite of what i used to be i was kind forgiving and selfless and was full of emotions mostly good ones but for some reason i was always picked at and maybe thats one of the reasons that caused me to self loathe and become the polar opposite of what i used to be.
I dont know anymore i dont even know why i started drawing or why i continue and now that i think about it i started to draw less and less when i started to hate myself even showed less and less drawings to people to the point where i showed none.
I have even stopped posting art on the internet i am no longer pure and had a heart of gold as i grew up i have hated who i have become to the point of reverting to my past self a childish clumsy and happy kid, I've always had a mask on for a long time but i stopped using it and what was behind wasn't very flattering.
I have always said sorry but i avoided conflict alot i avoided interaction to the point that i want interaction and most of my life has been a lie the friends i thought i had, myself, my families lives ive been told about. I have told many lies myself so much so that i became good at it even manipulative but maybe i learnt that from the past and i even befriended two good manipulators one partly sociopathic and the other a liar.
I have no idea about anything anymore not even what i want to be, im always told what to be what everyone else wants to be and i went with it not even thinking i used dream about being a soldier and or scientist but no and now one of my family members wants me to be a lawyer trying to force me to become one but shes already a few years too late as ive made up my mind to slowly but surely decide what i want to do as my job in the future.
I have alot of guilt, remorse, sadness, anger, frustration, hatred, and disappointment i dont want to lose what emotions i have left what memories i have left no matter how bad, i have always had bad memory but it got worse once i started hating everything about myself i can only remember select few memories and thats one of the reasons why im not a very reliable person.
I realized i grew up to fast so i slowed down dramatically to the point where I wasn't growing up at all and my actions and words became immature, i became rude unforgiving and worried less about others. Lately ive been backtracking to the past and thinking what the difference was with present me and past me and trying to improve on that and its been getting better, i have gotten a little more self respect and pride i started drawing again although alittle inactive, ive been talking to friends i still have everynow and then checking up on them and going out side every once in a while.
I have also been feeding the pets we have at hope and interacting with them now they seem a little bit more happy now but my bird still hates me but i can understand where he comes from i take care of part of taking care of the house as its the least i could do and its my responsibilities, i am lucky to live here i just couldn't appreciate it until now and thats okay as long as i can improve in the end its okay.
I met this little kid that reminded me so much of myself when i was his age 8 years old and I've been enjoying his company i dont really need a mask when im around him cause i nice real me leaks through and I'd like it if the nice real me wasn't behind a mask and a negative version of it, I've been going out again all be it rarely i have had kinda let go of the bad past but keeping the good memories, i talk alot more now too even to my family as i barely spoke to them in the past i also started praying again even if its not very often i do so.
This isnt the happy ending yet i still have a life to live and many things to do and fix up anyways thank you for reading this rather long comment if you made it this far sincerely. - Jared/the has barely any real secrets person that also likes to draw.
Written in 11/6/2019 or june (writers note: sorry if this was confusing the original comment got a portion deleted so i had to write what i can remember)
Add dispraxia and autism (and all the issues with those) and you have my lonely life exactly.
Wow you must've felt so guilty, I relate to that cuz I want to hurt myself through things like stabbing my room & hurt others like punching others, I was just frustrated I've even hurt my family & it sucks especially when you have issues recalling it, you just hate the real you cuz it just hurts others, that's how I felt
Bro, you could make a series called like Monogatari Explained or something and i'd be here for every instalment. You seem to understand this series and its characters way better than anyone else I've seen attempt it.
the courage to tell a lie!
everything seem nice when you add courage to it
the madlad said it
I think her parents are partly to blame for this cuz A not genuinely checking up on her, B conditioning her to put on a front to feed their desires to meet their expectations of her, & C doting on her & being unsupportive of her
Her parents were toxic basically
I mean, yes, we could argue that's the case. Is not really the first time in Monogatari that the Parents influence in their child and their psychological problems is addressed. The same happened to Senjougahara and Hanekawa, their problems were directly tied with their personal problems with their own family.
But the point doesn't go there. Big part of Nadeko's development is rhat she needs to realize that if she wants to have more freedom and break from the "role" that was forced upon her then she has to take the initiative, yeah, her parents have responsibility in the matter? Of course, but if she is really gonne wait for her parents to realize it then she would basically never break free, she would be just victimizing herself, and that exactly an habit she learned to cope with her own life, but if she wants an improvement then she needs to stop that. And that's exactly what she did.
@@JoshuaDMarti agreed I have many problems due to my parents & just as nadeko did you have to break away from them cuz if they won't change you have to
I love all of your Monogatari videos. According to my prediction, Nadeko should now be much closer to the top of your Best Girl ranking since your last Q&A video. It's time to see whether or not I'm right.
Change ur pfp
@@racist2708 no
Literally the best character of the show along with kaiki
that’s ur opinion.
@@seekpenance No shit, dude.
@@stovespiegel smh
@@seekpenance smh
wow really well made video great passing and structure making me want to watch this now great work and well done to to MrNiesGuy on the editing . you always have a amazing way to preset your videos and get across you point and views and explain it so well
Yeah props to that guy. Really nicely done.
@@theblackswordsman9951 indeed
People that dislike Nadeko only do so because they don’t realize that they see themselves in her and they don’t like it.
You can’t watch Monogatari on a surface level or all you’ll see is a harem / supernatural show. It’s the themes and ideas that the show portrays that makes it legendary.
Just happened upon this video; I'm loving the Monogatari series so far, and this made me see a few different shades to Nadeko that just make me appreciate her more. Cheers.
Holy shit another monogatari video, UTS u da man! Just watched zoku and really excited to rewatch it all over again :3 #ZokuNadekoBest
One of my favorite characters of the show. People hating her really miss the point.
thanks for this, really good video and really well edited
This was my favorite story from the series.
I'm so amazed that you could capture so much of what I love from Monogatari in a short 20 minutes, talking about one of my favourite stories and favourite girls (granted they're all great characters). Thanks for this video!
She is my favorite character. She reminds me of myself.
In the novel for the koimonogatari, nadeko's mindset is explained by kaiki in a much more detailed way than in the anime. He says that nadeko is warped in the head and doesnt know her right from wrong. It is because she is always 'cute'. Her peers, family and everyone around her all calls her cute, and lets her get away with stuff normally people wouldnt get away with. Nadeko snake is the personality that nadeko wants to be, not cute. She was tired of being cute and imagined the snake to give her the excuse to become a god
She didn't wanted to become a God though. Kuchinawa was a delusion she believed in and actually cared for supposed wish. She swallowed talisman on impulse as escape.
Even in Bakemonogatari, Nadeko was one of my favorite characters, but I never understood why until I finished Koimonogatari. Because out of all the characters in Monogatari, I relate to her the most. Hiding my true self from most people, never acknowledging my true goals and feelings except when around my closest friends. I think a part of me perceived that there was more to her in Bake because I could recognize a lot of how she acted in myself.
Her arc really didn't end how I thought it would. I thought for sure she would remain as a god and be the 'final boss' of the Monogatari series, like she thought she wanted to be. From a plot-driven perspective, that would be the case. But Monogatari is not a plot-driven series. It's all about characters. And her story would not have been as impactful as it was if they had done it that way. And this is why I love the Monogatari series. Why it's quickly becoming my second favorite anime, second only to Anohana. (It would be first if Anohana hadn't had such a life-changing impact on me.)
Sorry for the rant. I actually just finished Koimonogatari a minute ago and came in to watch this video, so I had a lot on my mind.
Great analysis video, really helped me understand what was going on in the show. Far too often I got caught up in the flashy visuals, off-color fanservice, whack circular dialogue, and Quentin Tarantino-style out-of-order arcs to focus on what the story was actually trying to convey.
It's funny that Kaiki is the hero just by being the adult in the room. That being said, I understand he was his blind spots as well; dude made some armature mistakes with Nadeko and etc. Great catch with the Hanekawa stuff. Kinda like how Kanbaru was the perfect choice to help Shinobu find the courage to face her First Kin.
"Don’t overestimate what happiness is." - Koyomi Araragi
Not from this arc but I feel it's fitting even though the context is completely different.
I don't remember which episode it was covering the Monogatari series but I remember writing a long comment asking for a video on Nadeko. Thank You! I adore her arc and character and have thought a lot about the meaning of this arc. This video helped deepen my understanding of the visual representations quite a bit (I had no idea strawberries meant purity for example.) Thank you again for this wonderful video.
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"A wish may never come true once you say it out loud"
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That line stole me away!!!
Your video essays are really awasome!!!
That character hits hard at home.
Don't know why this showed up in my recommendations, but glad I watched it. I haven't even seen the Gatari/Koi series, but your delivery hit me somewhere hard!
Her story arc was the only one I found extremely enjoyable in the Monogatari series.
Thanks a lot man, within all those lines of dialogue lies so much depth that not a lot of people realise...
between the visuals and story and characters and deceit and dialogue and cinematography and and metaphors and puns and everything going on you basically have to pick which aspects to pay attention to for every round
Amazing video on best girl of momogatari !
Best girl is Kaiki tho.
Senjogahara
Most re-watchable video I've seen
This story is one of the reasons I truly love the Monogatari Series..its a snapshot of what problems anyone can face and the answers are right in front of them..
Her story arc is well written from the very beginning..
Jeezus the Monogatari series is one of the series I've seen with a lot of really good quotes
Great video. I liked the editing very much. Reminded me to an extent of "Lessons from the Screenplay".
Amazing video!
So many little details, also with the light and other things that I haven't noticed back then, when I've watched Monogatari.
Monogatari is truly a masterpiece of a series.
Thank you for this
I love Nadeko 😭
I saw the monogatari series when I was like 15 and didnt apreciate the "meaning" of each character. Now Im 21 and I think I enjoy this series even more cause the understanding. Thank under yhe scope for making this videos, keep up the good work
A beautiful discussion over my least favorite turned one of my favorite characters. Fantastic character, fantastic arc, fantastic writing.
Thanks for taking the time to make this video, I cried. I can really relate.
Am I the only one that hates why Ararararagi didn't take a slight look in Nadeko's closet and solves her issue??? ... Ararararararararagi you clueless man, even for the sake of your sisters find out what is wrong around yourself, this boy never learn how to check his surrounding ... smh 😩
Just finished Koimonogatari a few days ago. Wasn't expecting a new Monogatari video from this channel. Keep it up.❤️
Nadeko, the best thing about the monogataris.
I wish you could make videos for every arc. Just watching this, I realized how extraordinarily much I missed among the expanses of stylized visuals and between the miles of cryptic dialogue.
This. This is what I should show to every idiot in existance who hates Nadeko solely cause of Nadeko Medusa and their lack of ability to try and think. This video is really great and pointed out a lot I missed and a reminder of how great this show was.
Unfortunately, it won't stop haters from making shit up about her just to keep hating. They'll purposely ignore the truth. Hopefully Nademonogatari will fix this, but knowing how dumb some haters can be I wouldn't expect much from them.
It was like a year since a watched one of your video, but as i see a new Monogatari analysis, i can't wait to click on it. Love the anime and love your video about it, please keep doing it
Man, this is just fucking art, thank you for this video.
The more life experience you get, the more times you watch it, it gets more and more understandable and enjoyable! This series is one of my favourite anime series! Thank you for your excellent job!
Well done, mr. UTS! Boku wa totemo ureshidesu, that there are people, who understand Monogatari deep enought and can express their thoughts properly (^_^)
As someone who can relate to her very much,this is a very good analysis.
Happens to be Nadeko's birthday today! Good timing :)
Anime in a nutshell: girl kills snakes, can't get over how much she liked it
That slow instrumental Mousou Express playing in the background is just perfect.
Otori/Koi are far and away my two favorite arcs of Monogatari. Thank you
all of the characters in monogatari are beautifully written but DAMN nadeko has alot of depth in her character. she may not be my favorite character but i can definitely appreciate her as a character
Awesome job on the analysis. One thing I wanted to mention was when Nadeko has the outburst at school, she is talking in the same way Kuchinawa does, adding the “euuuuhhhhh???” After her lines. Thought that was a nice touch
This video made me realize more of how masterful of a masterpiece this series is
Opened my eyes up..never saw how similar Hanekawa and Nadeko’s conflicts are. Amazing vid
Kaiki just HANDLED it well.
It was a problem anyone can solve if they looked at Nadeko sincerely and deeply but well, it was a misdeed on both sides. Those sides namely (1)Nadeko and (2)Everyone. Nadeko closed off her world and 'Everyone' took advantage of her while also pressuring her by pushing their own perception about her onto her. No one compromised, not even our Main character and so she became insane. Their actions both affected each sides negatively, and since Nadeko is alone she suffered the most.
She might even be my best girl because in the end no one died. (Although Araragi and Shinobu were stabbed, they were also at fault [dont get this wrong coz Nadeko's at fault too] and besides, they're used to it)
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I wrote a whole sentence of how incredible you made this video and I click outside of text box and everything got deleted. so I am just going to say. "you did an amazing job going in depths of explaining Nadeko character".
*You can't bullsh*t a bullsh*tter*
Best Quote 2019 ☺
I knew there was something I was missing after finishing her arc, and you seemed to summarise everything up. Thank you so much. You’ve earned another sub just from one video
Wish I had found this channel sooner, great analysis
"crazed yandere god" lmao
A very good analysis, it's very difficult to find someone who can approach an anime (or a piece of visual art, in general) in such a deep way
After watching this and the other Monogatari vids you made, it made me realize the depth in the Monogatari series.
This guy essays.
But really, you nailed the order the information needed to be in for this analysis to really click at the correct points. That was a very thorough and savvy video essay. You may move along at too brisk a pace, but you have a talent for conveying the theory and understanding.
Her story was so on-point relatable to me that I had to laugh. But I wasn't laughing because it was funny, it was more like I was surprised this character was written so accurately. Step by step, everything she said, everything she did, I went through that almost exactly the same.
Sure, there are many of those moe shy girl characters with "problems" that make you feel bad for them and root for them. But they were always just cliches made to be likeable to anyone. Real shy girls aren't "cute" and loved by everyone.
Nadeko was written to look cute, but she was a really ugly mess inside. She's how a shy girl with problems should be written, and how real people like her truly feel.
11:02 "You can't bullshit a bullshitter" jesus christ why is this so accurate
Wow. I knew I liked Nadeko, but I didn't knew why. Thank you for making me understand.
Thanks a lot Mr. Jack Johnson and Mr.Nies . I've been following your monogatari tweets during your watch. Hope you spend more time on this series and share your thoughts on it ,and explore different ideologies like Jean-Paul Sartre. And I also hope you make another video on koimonogatari emphasising kaiki and hitagi's relationship.
She is without a doubt in my mind the saddest and moat misunderstood character in the show. I can't remember if she dies or not. Can anyone tell me? At the very least I know we never see her again
She's doing great after Koimonogatari actually. Nademonogatari is Nadeko's next story from her perspective. And, in my opinion, the best off-season story because of how much Nadeko grows there.
@@One-EyedDragon okay thats great. I would love to read that sometime because i had always wondered if she died because in my opinion she didn't deserve death. She obviously has problems but everyone in the show does
Thanks for this video. Since watching Koimonogatari, I felt pretty unsatisfied with this ending. I felt as though 'nothing has changed.' In the end, Nadeko's conflicts from before aren't resolved, in fact, Kaiki insists that Araragi avoids ever bringing them up again for Nadeko's sake. Everyone effectively runs away from the conflict with Nadeko. Your video opened my eyes to the real resolution within Nadeko and what it really meant. If I could give more than a like, I would.
You made me cry at the end there, good job... thanks... I needed to hear that...
2 years ago i couldn't finish this anime and i forgot most of the stuff that happened.But thanks to your videos i can continue it from where i left off.