'Which Uses More Electricity...A Refrigerator When It's Running Or Electric Car When It's Charging?'
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- Опубліковано 18 лип 2022
- At today's House Transportation Committee hearing, Rep. Thomas Massie (R-KY) questioned Sec. Pete Buttigieg.
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Telling people that cannot afford to buy gasoline to buy an electric car, is like telling a homeless person to buy a house. How stupid are these politicians?
No more stupid than those that elect them.
" How stupid are these politicians"?
Seriously???? You have to ask?
Knowing the liberal hivemind, they will make the American taxpayers to buy the cars for the homeless at 2x the market price and will write it off as total loss after losing track of it.
We need to start building nuclear now
Their very clever actually, just in a very diabolical way, as demonstrated here.
I like how politicians have to debate the efficacy of something which engineers can simply calculate. Its a no-brainer that the people in charge of this should not be in charge.
This is such bull. First who can afford the car and your electric bill would be out of sight. The electric car also does not do well in the winter if you live in a northern state. Also, why is the filthy rich Al Gore married to a Heinz Ketchup heiress flying all over in a private jet spewing toxic fumes and preying on people to buy electric cars? One of the biggest lying self serving hypocrites still around. He will get his, hopefully sooner than later. Despicable lying POS.
Thomas massie Is an electrical engineer
that's because these people aren't hired to their positions due to their qualifications anymore, just their gender/race/sexual orientation.
You can calculate wind and solar?
Engineers are often very bright but sometimes have zero common sense or zero practical application with the product development outside the lab.
Adding an EV to my household (20k miles/yr) raised my electric bill by $50, and cut how much gas I use by about $350.
And nothing will stop the power company from increasing your bill 4x either. I seem to recall replacing 60w bulbs with CFLs and LEDs that use 12w along with more efficient appliances and HVAC, yet while my consumption has been reduced, I’ve never seen the savings from it.
Well, $200 is still less than $350. And that $350 is based on $3 per gallon of gas. We all know that that number will continue to increase...
If you are getting electricity THAT cheap ... I'm moving there !
@@insaneiaqhaha this is the stupidest argument ever. First of all if they change the power prices then you’ll be screwed too because even without an EV you still use electricity so your bill will go up ! Secondly I use solar and charge for free so I control when it cost me money to charge or not. And lastly the very argument of how suppliers can change the cost of fuel is 100% petrol powered cars. The price to fill your car up changes from week to week based on what the companies want to charge you. You’re 100% at their mercy now. My power plan means the cost to charge is the same no matter what week it is. The rate is the same - no fluctuating from week to week - unless you drill your own oil - you rely on them. I rely on the sun !
but when you add the ridiculous cost you spent vs a comparable gas car you could have bought 140k miles of gas before you start saving money, and that doesn't include a dime for your extra power bill. A 2018 tesla3 long range vs a 2018 loaded camry that gets 30mpg cost the tesla owner 18.5k extra if they got the full government rebate in 2018. So until your electric car is out of warranty and over 125k miles you havent saved a penny. stop lying to yourself. Electric cars cost so much more then gas that by the time you break even on what the gas would have cost you its time for a new car or a trade in before the battery fails. I owned 2 prius's so im speaking from experience. by the time i saved the 4-5k i spent by not buying a corolla it was time to trade in my 2005 for a 2012......after the second prius i did the math and realized it was a complete shell game and i didnt save a dime. plus i burdened the world with 2 more wasted nickel cadmium used up batteries. We are being lied to .....the only difference is some people choose to believe the lies to feel better about themselves and some are honest.
I hate how they interrupt rather than just let him finish answering the questions being asked. It's equivalent to a kid sticking their fingers in their ears yelling, "I can't hear you." The one asking the questions wasn't having a discussion/conversation, he was more interested in talking at him rather than with him.
Well they already are telling people not to charge electric cars at peak usage hours. Maybe fix the grid before pushing electric cars.
They should but that would increase their carbon footprint. Better have people with cars they can't use...
Remember, you're talking about the same politics that withdrew troops before people and equipment.
First put on your pants and then your shoes. (Far Side)
@Al 6r 😂😂😂
How can we fix the grid when half the country is ignorant anti-science filth?
Exactly right. 1st the grid then well talk about electric cars
I’m confused is electricity all of the sudden free? If you still have to pay for the electric to run you everyday house hold items, and then add electric vehicles to the mix essentially quadrupling the amount of electric you use, isn’t your electric bill also going to increase by 4 times?
You’re bill will go up around 40x or more, not four.
@Kat Thomas A friend of mine sometimes gets credit on his bill for excess, but it's nowhere near what you say you get. And of course, he has to pay when the sun doesn't shine for a few days.
@Kat Thomas How many watts of panels do you have on your relatively small home?
Yes bro, simple math but those ignorant liberals don't have the brain power to try and figure that out!
that would be 25 refrigerators more electricity per one electric car hence, 50 refrigerators more electricity cost added to your electric bill after you shelled out $110,000 for 2 electric cars. By 2035, approximately 50% of us will be FORCED to make that decision or suffer. For me, I am of the opinion that Biden and Buttigieg can shove it up their bums.
Engineering explained did a video on this and turns out the demand on the grid would only be x1.3 which it is already capable of
Ummm, if everyone drove EVs the demand on the grid would be substantially greater than just 30%! Already, several times (increasingly) throughout the year local and state level grid nodes are at, and over max capacity! If too many nodes go off.line due to blackouts (planed, or not) the grid becomes load unstable. Coupled with all the "renewable energy sources" that bring even more difficulties to grid operator centers! Long story short - NO our National Power Grid cannot sustain EVs!
You mean the current grid that is shutting down coal and natural gas plants and converting to unreliable wind and solar? THAT current grid? Awesome!! The future grid? Good luck with that.
DON'T BELIEVE IT! HALF OF EV OWNERS PLUG THEIR CARS IN THE GRID WILL TANK!
It's true. EV owners generally charge at night when grid load is at it's lowest. Look up the 'duck curve'.
Also, most people don't charge their cars 0-100% every day. It's usually more like 10-20% every day. Hardly anybody drives 300 miles a day, every single day.
@@erichtisnado1536 - And yes they also "generally" charge at work or shopping if available during the day. They also charge whenever available on vacation or long distance trips. And why the grid load curve does reduce (in certain seasons) at night, so do 100's gigawatts of renewable energy sources going off-line. The GM Ultium lithium battery system can pull a continuous 135,000watts from the grid (per Vehicle)! If 10 of those decide to simultaneously charge in a city block/small town that's a 1.35MW draw on the local grid node!
I like that both men are being respectful and bringing good points to each other.
But bootylove is lying ... and he KNOWS it
@@pablorages just because you've been brainwashed by something doesn't mean it's a lie. Both men speak truth, they just twist it to suite their statements. Big diesels, gas vehicles, electric cars. All have great uses. All have flaws. If you're not willing to accept that, go away.
Clearly we should all start driving our refrigerators.
That's it, fire Pete, the job is yours now. Genius.
LOL. Good one ;-)
Nice. No need for AC either.... whilst driving.
Bonus!
Is your refrigerator running?
Actually charging a Tesla with 220 volts will use more power than all of the appliances, electric stove and air conditioning in a day.
50 amps at 220volts=11,000 watts.
44 miles per hour charging travel distance.($11=132 miles). My 4 banger puddle jumper cost the same with the A/C or heat on.
Have not got rid of the 2003 5000lb behemoth. Sometimes I need to haul 8 or 12 50lb bags and keep them dry.
And my service struggles with NO A/C on. Summer and winter. Gas heat and stove.
Might be why I have a 12KW generator. And no electric car.
Butti Buddy does not do things like that. Might break a nail.
I am willing to bet that when this happens they will up the price on electricity. More then it already is.
FPUA just doubled their rates without any warning! There’s a nuclear plant, and the largest solar farm in Florida in the county. They blamed it on “the price of natural gas doubling “ although there is NO gas burning generators here. Of course, there street lights on in the daytime, and I watched them spend two days, with 13 trucks (with engines running the whole time) and over 20 employees to move a telephone pole four feet instead of just cutting down the palm tree that caused the move.
@@Abortion3000 Come on Man you had to Edit that Brother.
Electricity is already more expensive than natural gas. It's hilarious to me people like Buttigug think there is enough "energy" provided by solar and wind to power our nations grids. And they never talk about the service upgrades that will have to happen to peoples homes in order to charge their EV - unless they want to wait for 48 hours or more to charge it. Thank God this BS is just an executive order that can be reversed when a Conservative takes office.
Exactly what's happened to natural gas. They got us by the short hairs.
I am willing bet when the energy shortages come the left will quickly turn back to burning coal to charge their electric vehicles. 😂
It always puzzles me when people toss around figures when it comes to household use and consumption; but in those discussions, nowhere are apartment dwellings being spoken about. Yet, for the countless millions living in apartments, their numbers are significant factors when considering electrical usage with EVs.
Do any apartment complexes have charging stations? I haven't heard of any. No motels either which is crucial for travel. Lack of infrastructure is but one of several reasons to shun EVs.
@@joewoodchuck3824there are a few but not enough to fully transition to electric.
@@dillonh321 Landlords of all rental property sizes would bear the burden of installations which they would understandably be reluctant to do.
It's a no for me, dawg. 😊
I share your pain. I'm an ev owner and an appartment dweller. If it weren't for the cheap chargers around supermarkets, gyms, restaurants and the such I would have sold it long ago. I wish we solved on street charging finally.
The point is not to do anything regarding electric cars, the purpose is to allocate a large amount of government money to spend that can line the pockets they want to line.
The purpose to every government initiative is TO ALLOCATE MONEY.
Will cost three times as much if the Government does it.
Allocate money into politicians pockets
is this supposed to be bad?
Washington DC would chug along just fine also. No worries there.
@obsoletebutneat Finally!
Thank you!
Why don't they ever ask the question "do you know where electricity comes from?"
🙈🙉🙊
It’s magic we pull it out the ether
No problem, we can harness unicorn farts for the methane
Pete doesn't understand, you burn something to make electricity.
Fibre optics from the Sun, ask Elon Musk ;) Link establishing soon!
It's scary the disconnect between their hopes and dreams and the harsh reality of existence.
They don't give a shit! They don't and won't suffer WE will!
The harsh reality is that they don't care how much harm their plan will cause all of us. Maybe you haven't noticed, but they want us all dead.
If only the grid could handle peak usage without blackouts before electric cars ,,,,
"Political science..." Well said.
Their brains became disconnected with reality when Clinton got his cigar smoked and questioned what is is.
A larger trucking company near me wanted to invest in electric trucks for their local intermodal trucks. Then they asked for how much power they needed to get installed at their yard to handle the recharge stations. For 50 trucks it was over 5 Megawatts of power required. My whole town draws less than that even when everyone has their air conditioning on max in the summer.
Some one that learned math.
50 trucks, each driving hundreds of miles a day, probably also use more gasoline(diesel) than your whole town. Your point?
@@timenloe2219 That company was needing 50 trucks to replace 20 trucks for the running they do. Why does it require a 2.5 to 1 ratio to replace what one diesel truck can do. RANGE a fully loaded electric OTR truck barely can run 200 miles before it needs to get recharged. That is less than 3 hours of normal driving for an OTR truck. Most OTR trucks even in intermodal service between 350 to 400 miles a day. The carrier was going to be needing to 1 tow replacement trucks out to their drivers on longer runs to allow them to make it home and 2 have drivers switch trucks during the DAY. Even Tesla's vaunted Electric Semi truck out in California can not make it over Donner Pass fully loaded twice without recharging. Also these electrics are way heavier than the diesels they are replacing. The batteries alone weigh in at 16K pounds. There are long haul trucks that full of fuel for over 1k miles are less than that. I drove one that could routinely scale out 52K pounds. The boss called the 5 of them the Tinkerbell Kenworth fleet. All aluminum frames wheels axle housings composite springs driveline and carrying 150 gallons of fuel with a 60 in sleeper. Full of fuel with a 53 foot trailer my tare weight was less than 30K.
The public does not realize just how much power is in one cup of Gasoline.
@chrisbraswell8864 38 kwh per gallon of fuel in diesel. So even at 50 percent efficient that's still 19kwh per gallon being used to move the truck directly and the rest is heat. With 900 kwh of energy in the battery and they're only getting 300 miles out of a charge they're getting less than 6 mpg equivalent to diesel and they use more energy than a diesel truck as most OTR trucks nowadays get over 7mpg.
They didn't say 50% adoption. They are referring to 50% of new car sales.
A similar situation happened here in Sri Lanka with chemical fertilizers recently. The government imposed a 100% ban on chemical fertilizers when the country wasn't ready to go 100% natural. As a result, we're now facing massive food shortages. Politicians in general have no clue on how to accomplish something like this rationally.
Honestly pesticides and fertilizers have heavy metals in them that cause autism and school shooting in america. Banning those are good, but like always you cant just do it overnight, needs to be slow.
politics doesn't select for competence. it selects for politics.
Well said sir.
Funny you mention Sri Lanka. That’s a utopia right now isn’t it. Funny they’re not calling what happened there an “insurrection”
It's not a bug, it's a feature...
Green Energy is not about individual energy independence, it's about specific interests profiting from it. Case in point, a neighbor of mine, an engineer by trade, built a homemade windmill and placed it on the roof of his home to draw in free electricity. The system was well designed and safe. He even posted videos of it on YT (which have since been removed). Over time as interest grew, the township became involved and forced him to remove it, claiming eyesores and various hazards. Goes to show you that everything's cool until someone creates a system INDEPENDENT of corporate and political interests, then they gang-up and squash the little guy.
"free electricity" lol, if you only knew how many megawatthours he could've paid for the same price and how little electricity he was actually pulling. Statistics in Europe show windmills output between 1 and 3 percent of their theoretical max power per year on average. And frankly just building a giant windmill by yourself in your garden does not sound exactly safe or legal either. It's not a freaking conspiracy.
they hate that. solar powerand green energy, like the dpt of education - is an entorely corrupt democrat girft to take tax payer dollars. they subsidize the panels - with tax payer money - pay themselves huge salary, and when the company goes broke they dont even care. its just an excuse to pad their pockets. anything with an unlimited subsidy is democrats stealing money.
Gotta stop and pay the toll to the troll.
We had the same experience. It was not an eye sore. They are noisy.
This is why I've built Darwin Turbines and disguised them, if they can't see them they can't moan.
How do you compare a refrigerator with a car? WTF. Try comparing an elevator with a ladder. Which is cheaper to run? Stupidity is rampant in this country.
Anyone remember when the USA actively wanted to be the best, and #1 at everything?
They haven't been able to fix CA's electric grid in years, they still have brown and blackouts regularly in the heat of the summer; imagine if they all had 2 electric cars.
California had a massive surplus of energy in 2000, around 2 gigawatts I believe. Then Grey Davis and the democratics went on a massive campaign and shut down all of the nuclear plants, except for Diablo canyon, which is in Newsom's sights to get shut down.
@@renegade_patriot 1.21 gigawatts of that is needed for just one Delorean for one trip.
@@jackjones5314 Doc Brown for governor
In a word.... deregulation. In two words free market.
Trash to electricity plants like in many countries are producing cheap electricity.
San Diego Kalifornia voted against it over 30 years and now the land fill is huge.
When I go to fill my car up, sometimes there is a wait, maybe 10 minutes before it's my turn. Can you imagine how long the wait line will be if it takes over an hour to charge an EV?
Yeah, these people are 100% stupid, especially the fruitcake being questioned.
You nailed it !
Its a democrat idea, and they are incapable of thinking that far into any plan. Or put another way, have you ever met a democrat with a lick of common sense?
Exactly I’m keeping my 2000 town car
They want to control how u live ur life
How hard is it to understand that not every household buys a new car every year. They are talking about new car sales, not every car that exist on America’s roads.
“Do you think the grid will be capable of handling electric cars?”
“It’s going to need to be” is obvious, but no was his unspoken answer he avoided. We are not ready or even preparing yet, at least so it seems.
"It's going to need to be". Classic upper management answer for a problem they have no ability to solve or even comprehend the enormity of the problem themselves.
His comment had “someone else has to solve it not me” energy. It’s like when some late night host said people should just buy a tesla
Since when has "need" not been the driver of innovation?
@@model_number_band If electric is the way it’s a cleaner energy than fine, but the way this guy says it as he makes it sound like it is a problem we have that he thinks needs to be fixed but he doesn’t want to fix himself but wants to continue to encourage. It’s kind of like saying that someone is totally for some great social cause, but will just say that they agree with its message and then they just won’t do anything about it at all. That’s what he sounds like. It’s “we should do this but I don’t know how exactly, and we should try to do it in 8 years”
Well said and true.
Trees can't convert used and dead batteries into oxygen..CO2 emissions can be.
Electric grid can't support running our current system, so let's force it to 100000x its output.
What could go wrong
Do you not maintain your house or car? Are you surprised when either of those break down?
Might be a good idea to begin upgrading the grid?
@@easternyellowjacket276 Are you serious? Ukrenians need the money LOL
Ontario, Canada. We'll pay you to take our excess energy while we pay double your rates for the privilege.
When everyone switches to EVs, then they will force you to start using buses and take your cars from you. You will own nothing and you will be happy.
I’m a senior citizen, on a fixed income and still employed. My electric bill goes up every year but my income does not, how will seniors in this country survive on this plan?
I’m a retired senior citizen on a social security. My 2023 Tesla model 3 cost a bit over $24,000 after state and federal tax credits and a trade-in of a 2012 Subaru Forester with 108,000 miles on it (state taxes, registration destination. included). I pay half as much as you to travel the same number of miles on your gasoline powered car.
@@BobbieGWhiz good luck with that, bob
Just stick with gas, those prices never go up....
Alfred E Newman said the grid will need to be upgraded by 2030 to handle all those new cars. Our electric grid has been upgraded very little in the last 60 years. How does he think the grid is going to be upgraded by at least 5 fold increase? We haven't even started to talk about a 4 to 5 increase in our generation capacity.
In May 1961 President Kennedy said we'd put a man on the moon before the end of the decade and then scientists and engineers figured out how to do what never has been done before, solving novel problems along the way. Here, we have a very straightforward engineering problem and we pretty much know exactly what needs to be done, and naysayers want to suggest it's impossible?
Dream bigger
If you also think that not only a few home owners will have their own PV, they'll charge their cars at home.
DRAMATIC increases in taxation !
The grid has had very little improvement because the republicans keep voting against it, and when the democrats do pass a bill into law, the GOP repeals it first chance they get. The problem is not the technical capacity to do it, its that the GOP gets big bucks from the fossil fuels industry in exchange for keeping things the way they are.
Furthermore, there is no need for a *five fold* increase. The numbers Massie presented were BS
@@danielp3289 Maybe they don't think pissing away trillions of dollars in infrastructure upgrades(When nearly half or more of it is pork projects totally unrelated to infrastructure) just to appeal to a minority of the population(upper middle class urban liberals), that wants to push the green economy is a smart use of taxpayer dollars, just a thought.
Building new nuclear plants has much higher roi. Impossible no impractical as hell yes and not worth the effort absolutely. You need a alot better selling point than it would faster allow mass adoption of ev's or other green new deal nonsense to sell it to the average person.
I remember when about 10 years ago, a city in Indiana decided to have their entire fleet of vehicles (police cars, fire trucks, public works, etc.) - just over 400 of them, switch to run purely on ethanol because that could be produced easily form all the corn grown in that state. So, the city bought all these brand-new vehicles that GM made to run purely on ethanol and after they were delivered, the city realized that the closest ethanol refinery and storage facility was over 400 miles away and the vehicle cold be used until some large tanks were installed closer to the city yard. This is the kind of stuff the politicians do - don't think ahead.
democrats are over represented in incompetence
Which city was this?
You have to have a Plan. OK, Before we get the cars, Where does the People get fuel at? How far is the closes tank. Or on electric Cars, How long does a charge last, how many charging sites we need. What is the closes one to our parking lot. Like buying a bunch of cows and not having a farm to put them on. Like there is some town that don't have any electric plug in for Electric cars. England had Police driving Electric cars that ran out of charge while heading to a emergency call.
It’s an American problem, reactive instead or proactive 🤯
@@yayee7625 --- not as simple as that. the usa is not like a country such as norway. norway for example has one main city - oslo. which is not a terrible large city and it is a country flush with money from it's natural resources. it has no problem selling it's gas and oil. the usa on the other hand is dramatically vast and with some of the worlds largest cities and population and with an antiquated power grid within some of these cities. charleston comes to mind. norway's power lines within oslo is not as antiquated as many cities in the USA. and lastly.... consumers need to be ready for a tremendous increase in electrical costs to upgrade some of these lines as the Feds - unlike Norway.... is broke.
Having designed power line upgrades for power companies for 20 years, I can tell you this: the customer is going to pay through the nose for the upgrades needed for all these electric vehicles.
Just saying hope your mix baby gets put up
@@GeorgeWashingtonLaserMusket Noone is listening. Don't understand hybrid capitalism/socialism
@@brobrio what do you think we have now? Public schools, food stamps, welfare, roads/infrastructure are all examples of socialist programs. That's why we pay taxes. If we didn't have a hybrid system, we wouldn't pay taxes we would simple have to set up a system so we could pay for all of these services when we used them.
@@GeorgeWashingtonLaserMusket industry refuses to compete? Do you know how expensive copper cable is? Do you realize the amount of cable needed, at a larger gauge btw to carry all that current? Now you want tax payers to foot the bill? Jesus christ, you libs won't be happy until we are all working for nothing but the tax bill. Look, you want windmills and solar and free this and that, move somewhere that already offers it.
If you don’t want to live on this planet, let me know!
What about all the people who DON'T have a garage with a power supply and park their cars on the street or a carport?
We're talking about a large percent of the population.
What a frigging joke! No way they can build infrastructure to charge 50% of US vehicles, and commit to the current power requirements. These people are sick!
And just think about how the electricity is generated.
That makes sense.
Gas muuhhhaaa
The same electricity that is used to refine gasoline. 1 gallon of gasoline refined from petroleum requires 5 kWhs of electricity from the grid. 5 kWhs of electricity put directly into an EV instead will give it 20 miles of range. So a gas car already has the emissions of an EV before it even starts up the engine and drives 1 foot just from the gasoline refinement alone.
@@flipadavis you're full of you know what. And you know it go wave you're banner somewhere else.
Ours is by hydro electric and solar. GG
Adoption means 'new car sales'
- but the replacement rate for cars is something like 5%-10% / year
- so, even if all new cars sold are fully electric, it would still take 10 - 20 years for the whole domestic car fleet to become electric...
Yup, and thar is about the current rate of change. It is going to happen, like it or not.
Yes but people will be resisting this so the rate will change as ppl use more used cars. In a democracy majority of people would vote to keep selling gas cars. Fact.
Takes the government 5 years to re-pave 5 miles of hwy.
How long will it take the government to add 4X as many coal and nuclear power plants?
Cali can't even keep up with the current usage, now multiply that by 10X in 8 years?
EV cars last about 10-12 years before needing a new battery that cost $20K. How big will the EV car landfill be?
@@user-tq4rd7nr2m This is a democracy, and the majority of people voted for Biden, who ran on this clean energy plan.
@potcommitted5355 I agree with you for not waiting for the government. We need to install solar on all of ours properties as soon as possible. We need to stop just using ev and start just buying tesla specifically because they have a better thermal management system to extend their battery life. Multiple small businesses are installing old tesla car battery for the home. Hopefully we can push the government to shutdown all of their crap. Do like the people in Texas and buy more solar and battery for the home.
What's disappointing is the fact that Rep. Thomas Massie didn't stress letting the Free Market decide.
It’ll be a free market if there are no longer a huge amount of gas/oil subsidies.
Interesting. Thank you I didn't know
States are now having rolling blackouts that didn't have a problem before! This is already a big problem now!
Yep
California already has that problem, has for the last few years.
They didn't explain how it would take at least 15 to 20 years just to build out the nation's power grid (if they started today, they have not) and that is BEFORE they get started building enough power facilities to power that grid. But I dont want to get ahead of myself. firstly, Biden and Buttigieg want to buy the EV's .......... that would be 25 refrigerators more electricity per one electric car hence, 50 refrigerators more electricity cost added to your electric bill after you shelled out $110,000 for 2 electric cars.
The US don't know how to produce electricity though, they probably should ask Québec how to actually make a reliable electricity grid.
Yeah because the Republicans keep killing infrastructure bills because they don't give a rats ass for you. But at least you can rest assured that they will be in another country enjoying themselves when your power goes out in the middle of winter so don't forget to vote them back in.
Pete's plan doesn't include "the peasants" having such things as personal vehicles and climate controlled single family dwellings!
Lefties don't let details like that get in the way. I can see it now - "Kids! Get on those bikes, we need to run the fridge
awhile!"
Nor does it include such things as cost of the vehicle. I cannot afford one, if I could, it would have to be charged on a 110 outlet, which would take well over 30 hours.
@@hensonlaura Kids: But mom, my body my choice
The GOP's plan is no plan whatsoever.
Amen! Trying to push their BS 2030 Plan and force us into their cities of the future. WIth no way out but a peddle bike or on foot.
The point is to make the middle class hurt. This is not ignorance, this is a deliberate action to hurt the lower classes. I just hope I'm alive to witness the revolution.
Thomas Massie is questioning under the premise that 50% of cars sold in 2030 will constitute 50% of all car ownership.
Not, everyone buys a car EVERY year brah, smh!
The thing that boggles my mind the most with these people who are obsessed with going green and driving EV is that they never seem to promote or push the idea of expanding our nuclear energy capabilities at home either.
In time they will because that is the entire point of electric cars. They are waiting until there is no turning back. Then they will have to build more nuclear plants.
FYI there is only 1 company capable of building nuclear power plants in the USA. It is TerraPower, owned completely and solely by William Gates.
Now you now the rest of the story.
What gets me they are not being honest about an electric car. The cost of maintenance etc. Check the price of a new battery with installation . Going green is not for me or my budget.
What boggles me is they'll all say global warming and not prove it even exists. But you better give up everything for it
I'm an environmentalist and I always emphasize nuclear as part of a diversified energy portfolio for our country. Depends on different regions of the country, their strengths and weaknesses.
No nuclear... we don't want radiation poisoning.
I kept waiting for him to ask "And where is this electricity going to come from? How is this electricity going to be produced?"
Me too! Most important question!!!
It won't be solar or wind. You can bet on that.
@@madelainepetrin1430 I'm pretty sure Pete's answer would have been Unicorn Farts, liquidized rainbow's
By electricity of course- Joey Biden 2024
It's produced by imagination duh.
Have you driven through rural areas? They are not going to be able to afford electric cars, upgrade their homes to charge them, or have the local infrastructure to support them. Will this force even more individuals to our cities and not allow them to live as they choose in low populated areas? Small towns are suffering already.
It's always a scam and an agenda. Billionaires like bill gates are trying to buy all the farmland so they can have more control over necessities. Not everyone is selling, but eventually they will have to. The love of money is the root of all evil. There are no decent billionaires. Never have been and never will be.
If everyone plugs in electric cars by 2030 , its a matter of time electricity rates will rocket up. The installed capacity of the grid is NOT capable to handle the load. Our grid capacity should increase 2000% percentage , rather than going 5-8% every year
“Obviously, some of this gets outside of my lane…”. Finally, the wizard of South Bend said something truthful.
His bike lane that is... After all that's his crowning achievement as the mayor of the bustling metropolis South Bend, Indiana.
I'm English, but that turn of phrase made me LOL.
I wonder just what is this clown's lane!
@@Dreamhelmet Hershey Highway??!!! LOL!!!
@@Dreamhelmet Yeah, Pete is living in a fantasy world that threatens to take down the real world.
As a power lineman I can tell you it probably take 50+ years to upgrade my local system to be able to support electric cars in every house.
gee and you're only a lineman 🤣
agreed , Im an inside wireman and most peoples service would need to be upgraded as well. Power goes out for a storm and now you cant leave your home because your car isnt charged
I'm a quarterback and I can confirm what he's sayins is true.
Im a stay a home dad with only a youtube degree in wiring and even i know my town in BFE will bot be capable of charging any electric vehicles
@@atgrandfathersknee3065 im a rodeo clown and i think trump is a liar!
The solution is simple: you charge your electric car overnight when there is a massive oversupply of electricity. The average vehicle drives just 37 miles a day which requires just about 10kwh.
This is the same conversation we had 100 years ago when we moved from horses to cars. It's always infrastructure. Then is was "where do I get gas?", now its "where do charge?" It's all the same conversations
I want to here the question “where is all this “electricity” going to come from?” Let me guess 🤔 coal and oil I presume? Yes and natural gas. Oh while we're at it let's make everything from plastic. We can just plant more plastic plants. Boom renewable!
Yes most of our electricity comes from natural gas, which is a fossil fuel.
@@redshield3296 Which burns cleaner than coal or oil. And we get 19% from nuclear and 20% from renewables.
ok hear me out though...
1: 2030 is hilariously optimistic, I do not support this in the slightest.
2: You cannot make gasoline cars run on nuclear power, pumped hydro, and solar/wind power. Electric vehicles can.
3: An investment into renewable (or less harmful) power would make a switch to electric vehicles feasible. It is likely that nuclear reactors combined with pumped hydro could make this feasibly work, just not on such a short timescale.
3*: According to my research for a paper on the topic of electrical power infrastructure, nuclear power is, on average, about 700-740x less *directly* harmful than hydrocarbons. Indirectly, the difference is even higher due to pollution and environmental effects, though I cannot quantify it without making assumptions, so I did not account for it in my paper.
3*: We don't have enough fancy minerals to replace our gasoline cars with EVs, it is much more viable to use this on something like public transport.
Tldr; if people weren't irrationally scared of nuclear power then that electricity could come with minimal environmental harm, making EVs more viable. As of right now spooky reactor go brrrr so coal it is. (we still need gas power plants as they can ramp up production immediately from spikes in energy demand whereas coal can be easily replaced by nuclear power. )
@@redshield3296 @Jason Paul
A good chunk of our fossil fuel power comes from a baseline of coal, which cannot be ramped up or down quickly. We use natural gas during times of peak demand as we can ramp it up and down quickly. It would not be difficult to replace nearly all of our coal plants with nuclear power, as it fills the same role in our energy infrastructure.
@@redshield3296 Actually most electricity comes from Coal. Which is ironic considering how bad it is for the climate. The cleanest energy today, is nuclear if using todays technology. It is also the best for the climate.
When Airforce One and our military is running on this miracle known as battery power, give me a call. I will then be more serious about owning an electric car.
YES!!
bruv, AF1 runs on the blood of children, sweat of Americans, and tears of tax payers. The mixture combined makes AF1 fuel (a super enhanced version of JP10)
Yes, no need to worry about oil running out, simply wait until they can make an electric 747.
@@paulminshall8793 oil isn't going to run out any time soon. You, you're children, your children's child, their children and generations upon generations will all die before oil runs out. And by that time your favorite liberal politicians will still own several gas sports cars, a few mansions on the beach they told everyone would be flooded, and they'll he driven around in tuned v8 limos surrounded in tuned v8 police escorts to their several million dollar private jet so they can fly to their dream vacation in the Bahamas.
Be real, if those people believed in climate change they wouldn't be telling the little people how big of a problem we are, while raising the prices of gas AND electricity from their million dollar vacation home.
@@macdonaldmaurice "invested"
"on our current infrastructure"
Well then vote to improve the infrastructure
They already passed a $1.2 trillion Infrastructure Bill but very little of that is going towards the infrastructure.
They have to stop wasting our money before we can improve anything.
Does Johnson not understand that 50% of new vehicles is not 50% nationwide adoption?
There are 290 million vehicles in the US, but last year we sold less than 14 million new ones. If 50% of new vehicles are electric, that only equates to about 2.4% of the total vehicle count.
It would take 20 years to get to a point where the average household has one electric vehicle in the driveway.
He sums it up perfectly, “…pain and suffering for the middle class.” And I guarantee that falls on deaf ears. These political elitists are completely out of touch.
Time to change a lot of diapers in 2022 and I’m not just talking about Biden’s actual diaper
Perfectly ignorant comment. You know what will cause "pain and suffering for the middle class," too? Loss of jobs, homes, and economic productivity because of climate change. Are we to continue to ignore the problem because there's a cost associated? I'm not sure if your luddite mind can wrap itself around this: at one time we lit lamps with whale oil; now we use electricity and light bulbs. Things change and need to do so. Get on with it. The real people who are "out of touch" are those that ignore the reality that climate is changing and we're on a precipice (this is most likely a 12th grade word, so I'll define it: precipice - steep rock face or cliff).
@@snigs5T5 The hypocrisy of elitists like Al Gore is displayed in their avarice (another 12th grade word for you). Their ignorance of the challenges of average citizens is highlighted in their suggestion to just go out and buy an electric vehicle (@>$40,000), to save $80/mo. on gas. When they begin to live like the rest of us, maybe then I’ll start to pay attention.
@@billiontion6064 of course you miss the point about electric vehicles, but I wouldn't expect any more from you. Plus you miss the asinine point that that ridiculous senator is trying to make: "the grid can't handle more electricity so that is bad so no EVs mmm k." But hey, you keep that ignorance going, ok champ.
@Apsoy Pike: Look up Halliburton, it gives an idea what is going on... they built out a chemical processing refinery in Saudi Arabia to meet year 2020 (election year, what a coincidence), then Halliburton partnered with Saudi oil company, Saudi Aramco. Then, Saudi Aramco recently partnered with the CCP bringing in Halliburton as their consultant to the CCP to build out gas/oil refineries 'in China for GLOBAL distribution'. So not only did China get U.S. manufacturing, Biden shut US oil/gas (permits), why or is there another big exodus of a major industry sector to further weaken U.S. labor? China is going to be the global distributor, we wondered why the CCP business entities were buying land in Oklahoma & other places. Biden released 1million barrels of U.S. crude oil from OUR reserve to the CCP, while we are suckers at the gas pump. And CCP partnered mainstream media is pretending China is going to attack Pelosi, what a crock of non-sense these globalists' politicians are playing against the U.S. citizenry.
The Goal of a competent administration should have been to have an Electric Grid capable of 50% Electric Vehicles by 2030 and 100% by 2035. Attempting to create additional Demand before you can handle enough Supply is idiotic at best.
Additionally whenever they talk about cost of energy being cheaper with electric they are referring to current electric rates. Building a Power Production & Grid of that magnitude will be a massive expense which will either have to be paid for in Taxes if Federally Funded or in an Increase in Rate for Electricity if Privately Funded.
Show me the math on the cost of upgrading the grid factored into the cost of operating an electric vehicle. The fact that they haven’t even acknowledged what this will cost should be incredibly alarming for anyone.
Upgrading the grid wouldn't cause the price of electricity to go up. The costs of infrastructure are amortised over time in the price of electricity. That's how the current infrastructure works and there's no reason that new infrastructure would be more expensive.
@@programmer1840 A massive increase in infrastructure would require an increase in electric rate to pay off. This happens with our current grid. My own electricity rates just went up to pay for large damage/repairs caused by an ice storm last winter. The consumer pays for it one way or another, wether that’s taxes or rate.
And we will need all the fossil fuels available to do all this upgrading of the electrical power grid. These people are denser than a solid 20 by 20piece of cobalt steal.
@@sethrich5998 fair enough. In my country, it saves about 70% costs per mile compared to petrol cars. The cost of infrastructure on the energy bill is about 4%, so the benefits outweigh the downsides.
@@programmer1840 If you don’t mind what Country is it? The US can’t really be compared to most other countries in that regard. Reason being is land mass. Most other Countries have small land mass with dense populations. This massively eases the individual cost of infrastructure. The US has large amounts of rural area which creates huge increase in cost for expanding infrastructure. Even after you solve Power Production, the Power Transmission is a major issue. That’s not saying we shouldn’t be investing in upgrading the grid, but that needs to come before the cars. And so far no one has presented what that will cost to the taxpayer/consumer.
There's evidently no possibility to power up these vehicles for long, no resources to support no grid, whatsoever, yet there are people who find the comparison of a fridge to an EV improper...
YOU TRY TO GIVE THEM THE "FULL PICTURE" AND THEY LOOK FOR "HEADPHONES"...MURICA 3.0
Love Thomas Massey and how he approaches and issue. Practical. Not ideological.
Refrigerators are one of the most efficient appliances. There is a reason why the preferred way to charge electric cars is a 50 amp circuit. You might as well be arc welding 6 hours a day.
Yes, you summed it up 50-amp circuit arc welding for 6 hours Aday.
Now do the math using average miles driven per day, instead of assuming people drive 200+ miles a day
We should be welding for six hours a day, so that we can build something better than those pathetic tin can electric cars that run off power from burning coal and oil... How about we all do hydrogen... sounds like a good idea to me...
The point is your electric rates will sky rocket !
@@scottpopowski902 Bingo all part of the brainwashing by the special interests and democrats set to get rich!
As an engineer, if you do not set a goal, you will never get there. if you set a goal, you may miss a deadline, but you reach your objective a lot quicker. Whenever you set a time limit 'realistically' you are jsut like the student with a report due, you wait until the last moment, then write it. If you make the timeliness close enough, it is obvious you can not wait a day before starting to work on it. If you start working on it, you finish sooner. yes, it IS the job of politicians to set goals, and then to provide resources to the people who get it done. Look at NASA. they commonly have delays, but they still make progress and get to their goals.
I agree. While watching this video I kept thinking how important it is to set lofty goals. This applies in so many areas, even sports. Every time I run a 5k, I set an aggressive goal, which motivates me!
Well said sir.
You, as an engineer would know that nuclear would be the only option outside of fossil fuels.
Beautifully said
That makes sense. How about the fact that extracting Lithium is toxic to wildlife...? Carbon can be extracted even reduced as ICE cars have shown...Carbon is easier to clean than byproducts from Lithium extraction.
excuse me ?
no country on the planet has figured that out THANK YOU
"It's going to need to be"....WOW... As an engineering who works specifically in this space for an electric utility this is like asking for time travel by 2030. The incompetency is astonishing. Why isn't an engineer in this position?
At what point did we give the federal government the right to determine what kind of car we can buy. When electric cars make sense people will buy them. Right now the tech just isn’t good enough.
Where do you live? In the United States, our government does not determine what kind of car we can buy. It must suck in your country to have that dictated to you. In the U.S. there is certainly a strong push for the adoption of electric, and we are investing in expanding the number of charging stations. But yeah, much empathy for you in your country where it sounds like they are literally forcing you to buy a product. Oh btw the tech is just fine on electric cars, and the prices have come down considerably. My friend just bought one last month and she is totally loving it.
they want to force the impossible, it's great leap forward tier delusion and is going to end in disaster
@@scott8xxx532 LOL....yeah right🙄 EVs cost more today than 3 years ago and the tech sucks because nothing is standardized. You can't even use half the charging stations out there with cars all having different sockets, different charge rates, and not to mention complete BS range estimates that are only slightly accurate at 70f with no wind. When the temp drops the range drops by 40%...that's not good tech, that's crap.
You no longer have the right to buy a car that gets 7 miles per gallon and has enough steel to protect you from hitting a tank. You haven't had that right for over fifty years.
@@scott8xxx532 Why do you guys even bother commenting? It's so obvious that you're shilling.
"My friend just bought one last month and is totally loving it." You couldn't sound more like a commercial if you tried...
Massie knows what he's talking about. He's wired his whole house to run off a Tesla battery. He graduated from MIT for mechanical engineering, so I'd take his word of Pete.
Interesting
I wouldn't
Mayor Pete doesn’t know jack about transportation let alone anything do to with electricity. None of these fools in this administration do. Smh
Massie must hate crypto then, eh?
He made a totally generic comment with no basis on how much it would affect the electric grid.
He should have focused on the fact that the electric grid is already coal or gas powered so they need to find a different energy resource like nuclear reactor.
Massie is making a point. If the average electricity bill is $120/mo and 17% is spent on a fridge, that's $20/mo for the fridge. 50 fridges would be $1000/mo. The avg american spends $175/mo on gas so even when you subtract for those savings, you're still demanding them to spend an extra $825/mo. How is that fair to people?
What people don't consider is the fact of how high our home electric bill will get even if that home doesn't have a car charger! Its simple supply and demand!
I would expect.
I would think.
It’s going to need to be.
He doesn’t know.
Unqualified and unprepared
He’s in charge of transportation for this country.
Who cares in the Biden administration it is about being lbqbtrmz.They don't hire you for your qualifications.
lol why would someone have a refrigerator vs electric car data off the cuff?? lol
BECIDES the fact that his answers where ALL ACCURATE. lol
@@mikew764 Besides lol.
@@mikew764 Because if you drive a refrigerator, it would be more efficient and you wouldn't have to stop by McDonalds for lunch
But he's part of the rainbow mafia so that means he's qualified. 🤡
"You can't buy a pool if you don't have neither the land to put the pool nor the water to fill it". The response: "If we think like that, we will never have those beautiful swimming pools we all want". Nah, that's not how you do things.
Only this is worse. Because buttagig says they will use less energy with electric cars. This is absolutely false due to the fact that it requires an extra energy conversion between the fuel source and the work being done.
Additionally, what does he think is going to power his grid and what materials will be required to supply that power? It’s all such a scam!
Is that a metaphor for Pete’s argument? He’s not asking you to dream about new electrical infrastructure; he tried to explain how they’re working with the DOE to build that infrastructure but didn’t get a chance to explain the process before this walking Fox News commercial interrupted him. Dude shouldn’t have come at an English major with that weak argument that was based on fallacies.
@@andrewdorie4010 it isn’t going to happen. Especially not in under 7 years.
@@andrewdorie4010 Yeah, that English major is really going to help solve our lack of energy production and distribution. You would think having somebody that has a fucking clue how energy is produced, transmitted, and used to do his job would be a good idea, but no, English major is far better, clearly.
@@cactiguide I don't know enough about the issue to disagree with you. I just think Pete won the argument from a rhetorical/political perspective. He answered all of the questions directly, didn't seem caught off guard with questions that sounded, to me, like they were meant to make him look like he wasn't prepared to answer them, and he stayed on topic while the other dude gradually seemed to grow frustrated, started to interrupt him, and ended up seeming a bit flustered. That's all. I just appreciate Pete sometimes because I think he's one of the few politicians who doesn't pivot away from questions and always seems prepared to discuss most topics. That's not to say I believe in any of these politicians. I don't.
Not to mention electric bills…. I can cover several small gasoline purchases each month vs one very large bill monthly.
When commercial and industrial facilities calculate electric energy consumption, the US DOE requires they use a 3x factor to account for the energy used to generate and the transmission line losses. Keep this in mind when you hear anyone talking about kilo-watt hours (kWh). The average EV car has a 68 kWh battery. The average electric consumption of a EV car is 0.314 kWh/mile. The average miles driven per year per car in the US is 14,263 (2022). Doing the math and using the DOE's own 3x factor, the average EV car would consume 13,437 kWh.
Without getting into the argument of the subject, I would just like to say how ecstatic I was to watch a video of two politicians debating like educated adults. Both had valid points, both were respectful of the other without shouting over each other, without shouting at all. Gave me a small bit of hope, that once we get the top of their lungs nutjobs voted out, we can get back to this type of leadership in our government.
Yeah, that is a point.
Though that Massie guy was playing cherry pick the appliance.
Because knowing a bit about the situation at hand.
I immediately thought of Air Conditioners. Air Conditioners are already stressing grids across the US. And as temps rise. More Air Conditioners Running 24/7.
And I would have asked what he thought about what they ARE doing. And Will Do. If temps continue to rise.
But that's just me 🤗
@@My-Pal-Hal however the guy arguing agasint electric vehicles was completely ignoring the fact that in that bill was plans to improve the electric grid to support the increased needs
@@Shadowtiger2564
Oh Yes...
Those Repugnantcants across the aisle fail to mention many things.
Especially everything They Vote Against. But take Full Advantage Of.
They are Hypocrites and Criminals. And always have anyone, Except Themselves To Blame.
... it's sad, and tiring
Yeeeeahhh, I mean kinda, but just as I read this comment Massey asks a question then interrupts and talks over Buttigieg, raising his voice. At its best, this is still the level of discourse between elected officials and it's not serving the rest of us.
50% new car sales would be EV by 2030 according to plan, not 50% cars on road would be EV. He is misleading with numbers.
Next question, "What is California's plan to dispose of the 25 years old solar panels and toxic materials within them that they subsidized in the late nineties?"
Follow up question, "Shouldn't we identify and plan for these future challenges before we create them?"
There are already big problems disposing of all the warn out wind mill blades, look it up.
That would be anti communist. Be a good comrade and trust the plan.
@John Spurrier Next question should be, " What are the plans to dispose of the Diablo canyon nuclear power plant and the 50 thousand tons of high level spent fuel currently costing
4.6 million dollars A DAY TO KEEP COOL, WHEN THE PLANT PRODUCES ZERO ELECTRICTY, AND SITS ON 3 FAULT LINES? ONE EARTHQUAKE AND WE WILL HAVE OUR OWN GIANT FUKUSHIMA!!
Let's worry about storing nuclear waste in fuel pools in zero containment and hemorrhaging radiation into the water and air! That fuel is still splitting the atoms and producing enough heat to power half of California! And it will be for thousands of years!
Follow up question for you, is disposing of ICE / carbon waste in our air a bigger or smaller problem than solar panels?
Pain and suffering for the middle class….
The self preservation society have spoken.
So basically Electricity scarcity, brown outs and multitudes higher monthly bills will be our future. Looks like progress to me.
Big problem with this: Not everyone lives in a house. Many live in high rise apartment buildings....We gonna have a charge installed for every tenant?
Millions of people living in apartments don't have cars at all.
Yea I’m imagining a parking garage with cables laying absolutely everywhere
@@pastexpiration2160 In a lot parking garages, they do have charging parking spaces. That is more realistic than people trying to charge their cars on a city street where parking in front of your house is not a given. That is where you may find cable lying everywhere.
And electric cars don’t lose mulch charge sitting off, if at all that I know.
Yeah or the parking lot at your job will have a charger
They have absolutely no idea what it is going to take realistically to implement this in all communities across country..not just new areas or cities but rural too...new power lines EVERYWHERE...and the power plants needed to increase consumption levels is extraordinary. THey are smoking crack...
oh gosh
Beware of politicians who have quick simple answers to complex issues
He said it exactly, political science. Politicians aren't scientists no matter how much they believe they are. The fact her is the grid could not sustain electric vehicles.
The sad thing is how we, as a society, always have an "all or nothing" mentality. There are good points about gas cars. And electric cars. And hydrogen cars. Give people a choice and this will work out. Force people down one road, so to speak, and many will rebel.
Just in case you haven't realized it yet, although I'm sure you have, "they" don't want us to have a choice! 🙏🇺🇲
@@puregrit8057 yes, of course ev charging infrastructure would need to be expanded, but where d'ya think all of the green/ZE energy will come from!? C'mon, man!! 🤣
There are no good points about hydrogen cars right now. It's less economically efficient, it's less environmentally efficient, it's less convenient. Until there is a revolutionary change in technology, hydrogen powered vehicles are a non-starter.
@@puregrit8057 I've seen this post before and I believe it was by you. This is pure BS what you're saying, Pete Buttplug talks about wants and needs, but I've seen nothing done on increasing or bettering the grid. Oh my, they've made a new government office on the problem, golly, all our problems are solved, what BS. The politician should have asked where are these improvements going on right now, because they aren't. Besides that the amount of material just to produce batteries for these cars is staggering. So here''s some facts instead of pipe dreams like Pete has.
When more hydro power projects are talked about, people like the Sierra club and tree huggers scream their heads off and defeat any measure to do that. Such as California who could easily create some there.
Electric cars....If you love strip mining, you'll love what it takes to do electric cars. For every Tesla sized car it takes the following
- 22 lbs of lithium
75 lbs of nickel
45 lbs. of copper
Trucks and anything bigger will require more, much more.
The lithium supply in the world. - 80% in Australia, followed by 15% in China and about 2 % in the US. Now when you add up all vehicles in the US being electric, you will exhaust the supply of lithium alone. What's the rest of the world going to do??? We aren't there yet to just give up oil, and you're going to love waiting for your car to charge. Oh, and I forgot about all those "charging stations" and how much copper they will require. Now what do you think???
@@puregrit8057
That’s hilarious.
I have serious doubts that the government will do anything anytime soon, to upgrade the electric grid….that is what needs to happen, and then we still have to talk about the need for economic and cleaner energy before it all becomes viable.
Your current government idiots just want it to happen, without regard to what it will cost We The People and also whether or not the people even want it.
-most don’t.
This is what the people of the US need to understand before election. Excellent job Senator!
He's not a senator.
@@lovetitleist69 He should be
@@lovetitleist69 But he is a Congressman.
Why has no one noticed we dont have the lithium reserves to make two billion eletric cars. People need to stop drinking the "green" Kool-Aid.
What about the electric bills the public will have to pay. Its already forcing families to decide between food/medical bills/ household bills. We cannot afford to live under this administration.
As a former distribution engineer for an electric utility, I went into a DOE national lab to help keep sanity in the mix. I did see, frustratingly, that the lawyers and polisci folks push me aside and taught a complete line of BS (to the state PUC staffers).
Pete 'Buttplug' Buttigieg.
I'd be interested to know more? (not buttplug glen) What is the BS? capacity is/ isn't there. It can be rolled out/ can't.
@@b.w.1386 Here are the basics. As things currently stand, 2/3's of the US is at or near capacity for their electrical usage, so that they are at risk of experiencing rolling blackouts at some point during the year. According to this video, and other estimates I have seen, an average household uses 890 kWh of electricity per month and a single electric car adds on average (depends on how many miles you drive) about 282 kWh of monthly energy usage. This is a 33% increase for one car. So the point of the video is if we mandate every family get an electric car by 2030 and effectively increase energy consumption by 25% (assuming a portion of the families already have an electric car), then we are going to be in trouble. The sad part of all this is that we used to have more reliable energy capacity in this country when we used coal to help us. But now, coal, oil and natural gas are all evil, and the "green energy" ideas just aren't reliable enough energy (nor large enough) to make up the difference. Probably the real solution to all of this is nuclear energy (which is how Europe makes up the gap), but no one want to talk about that in the USA.
@@RS-tz2zn i agree with the nuclear energy recommendation. Just wanted to clarify that the 2030-35 is just a goal for adoption of new cars that are manufactured or sold that year, its not feasible that 50% of the country could switch to new cars in 8 years.
@@ibrahimhyder Thanks, that is good to know that it is 50% of cars sold in 2030, not 50% of all cars. We'll see what happens...
What they are not telling is how much diesel fuel its going to take to run the generators to charge all those cars.
That's a little misleading. Sure, a good chunk of the power for EVs is generated with fossil fuels, but the efficiency of generators at power plants is pretty high and an electric motor's efficiency is extremely high, so more of the energy from the initial fuel actually goes to putting power to the ground than just running a diesel vehicle for instance. Vehicles that run on fossil fuels are pretty poor efficiency - typically 20%-30% of the energy from the fuel actually gets to the ground while the rest is lost in heat and vibration/sound. Also, the performance an electric motor isn't even in the same league as a gas motor of approximately the same size/weight. Even trains only use diesel to run electric motors because they can deliver a lot more power. Same with extremely large dump trucks where they have electric motors in the wheel hubs
With the exception of nuclear or hydro power pretty much everything else is coal,oil or natural gas so it seems pretty early in the game for potato Obiden to be attacking the coal and petroleum industries to promote the "green new steal"
@@donaldstevens2888 not a fan Of Biden, but it wouldn't really matter. Even a coal plant at ~33% efficiency paired with a really crappy EV at 75%, that's a net efficiency of 25%. A typical gas vehicle is less than 20% efficient. That's a worst-case comparison. A gas turbine at a power plant is going to be in the 55% range and I've worked with electric motors with >90% efficiency, which is around 50% net efficiency. For simplicity, if the gas car and gas turbine are using the same fuel, that would mean the gas car would use 2.5 the amount of fuel the gas turbine uses to get the EV the same distance as the gas car.
None actually, that would be stupid. Wind, Solar, Hydro, Nuclear - most base load plants have to run at night so charging at night actually HELPS stabilize the grid.
@@BenWilson24 But Commiefornia for one example can barely keep their lights on now as things stand,do you really think their grid could stand the strain of trying to charge millions of EVs even if lower and middle class people could even afford the things to start with
In Sweden, I saw a study showing that if we were to change all (100%) cars on our roads today to electrical vehicles, they would only use about 8% of the total electricity usage. Also, the vast majority of the charging takes place during the night hours when the overall consumption is very low, actually it helps to balance the grid. This argument of the grid not being able to support electrical cars is a myth. At least in Sweden.
Its a myth everywhere. The vast majority of people will be charging at home during the night when there is low demand and an excess of electrical generation.
Vehicles only produce 15% of CO2 ... and not all vehicles can be EVs ... EVs production to end of life CO2 production is only a few % less ... even if it was 30% less (which it IS NOT) ... If the entire country converted to 100% EVs, you are looking, at best, at a 5% reduction in total CO2 produced in America ... the increase in CO2 production in ONE YEAR in China alone will be more than that reduction ... what Western countries do to reduce CO2 has almost NO EFFECT on the rising CO2 levels.
That does not mean 50% of buyers want to buy Electric cars. This will kill the auto industry.
And I can't wait for someone to try and power their entire house as advertised. Then not only no power to the house when that $25k truck battery dies and now they have no transportation. And then they have to replace the battery on the truck. Are all you people that believe this electric car BS somehow impaired?
Get Car Shield.
A few years ago. I stopped at a car dealership. They had a Honda Civic Hybrid. I asked them what the cost was to replace that big battery. Under the rear seat? The cost was $4,000. Then I thought that big battery under the seat? What would happen? If that battery would blow? Won't have to worry no more!
@@oggyreidmore He didn't say convert 50% of the country before the year 2030, he said something else but wanted you to hear that. What he said was just "50%" but not of what. The plan is to convert 50% of NEW CAR SALES, not 50% of ALL CARS.
The amount of carbon energy it takes to source the rare earth minerals to even make electric cars is insane. Wind farms are just as much if not worse.
Bad enough it takes a full thre years to "break even"....I still own a Tesla - because it is cool and fast not because I am saving the world.
All components and materials are also purchased from china.
Don’t even get me started on Wind energy, I am a huge bird lover and those things kill birds by the millions.
But gas (petrol) is worse.
You are right, mostly, but to argue on their terms is a loss in the end. CO2 is plant food. Its a good thing if you want more green!!!
We need to build solar farms outside of every city.
I spend $1.65 for a full charge of my Leaf. In doing the math, a gas car would have to achieve 550 MPG to match my EV's efficiency. And let's NOT forget the petroleum used to deliver the fuel to the gas station and of course all the refining energy costs and finally, sending money to support dubious regimes.
Oh yeah, I forgot. I'm driving a 15 year old car that mostly sits in my garage because I'm on a fixed income and can't afford to go anywhere with the price of gas. Hey Pete, gonna buy me an electric car?
no because you are not a man that can get pregnant 🤣🤣
@@VinceGaming831 Good one. 🙂
Exactly!!
These politicians make six figure income and
If you were rich enough to buy a $50K EV the government would give you a $7500 tax credit courtesy of the tax payers.
No.
Our infrastructure is so wildly lagging behind being able to handle this “ideal electric vehicle” situation by 2030 its scary. Can’t just switch to 50% electric by 2030 then figure the rest out as we go
Agreed, that won’t work.
The truth is as Massie says, we just don’t have a big enough electrical grid
To support widespread adoption of electric cars.
The country needs 100s of billions of dollars of upgrades. It's possible but will take a very long time
@@r.d.9399 🤣
Of course it will handle the new electric infrastructure. Because it's not for everyone. They just implemented global population control. By 2030 for it to become a reality. The real upset will be 2024-2025 when a lot of people are still around as they make the changes.
Why not, Pelosi asked to pass Obamacare so we could find out what was in it.
Our infrastructure can't even handle a storm...
You must be from Texas.
at least he's straight with his answers, not dodging them and answering questions that weren't asked. I'll give him that.
💯% ...it is mind blowing given the the standard practice of politics.
I give Pete nothing but the ‘Stupid’ Award bc the Green New 💩 Deal will not work. I’ve paid attention and have listened to the authorities on the matter-this plan is purely psychotic !!
I mean, to the question of will the grid be ready by 2030, the answer should have been a straight up no. If government is involved in those upgrades the grid won't be ready until 2130. So he loses points on that in my book.
I was thinking the same thing.
The questioning of law enforcement officials goes so much differently.
Why isn't this guy answering every question with "I don't have that information", or "I will have to look into that"?
Almost as if the heads of law enforcement/government don't want us to know about all the illegal/unconstitutional shit they are doing.
Yeah, but he is so ARROGANT I'm sick of Joe Biden and these type people TELLING ME what is BEST for ME!
Updating the grid is no joke every single wire has to be quadrupled in size
Not only that but we can’t just ship solar and wind energy from the areas where that can be established to the population dense areas. The natgas establishment is poised to make HUGE money off this obsession with forcing people to go electric.
your way off,trump turd?
Well Pete is all over it, rest easy 😂😂😂🤦♀️ yeah we’re screwed.
What do you even mean by quadrupling the size of every wire??? Let say in some insane world that is true, why not just leave the wires the same and quadruple the voltage?
@@gregb7353 because the insulation on the current equipment isn’t rated for 480 volts continuous. At either 120 or 480 volts at the wattages we’re talking about the heat involved would also be so immense that the insulation would break down much faster than it already does in standard environmental conditions.
(So idk which insane world you come from but everything must be an ideal conductor and dielectric constants must be infinite there)
When you attempt to discuss something with Secretary Pete, you had better have your ducks in line. Pete is one smart man.
When Petey says "other countries have figured this out" --- just who exactly has figured this out? There is no other country comparable to the budgetary concerns and global responsibilities of the US.
Most countries have NOT figured it out. Here they also push the sales of EV's. In my city the green party wants to ony allow EV's in the center by 2030. The problem here too is, our electrical infrastructure is not ready to be able to charge these vehicles. Only for the city of Amsterdam it will take till 2040 (!!) to upgrade the network.
No, There is only one USA. But Norway is doing fine with leading the adoption of EVs
@@MrKirknel Norway is 30 times smaller geographically than the US. Norway also has about a percent and a half of the population of the US. You're comparing oranges to the fucking moons of Jupiter.
@@gregb124 No, I am fucking not comparing oranges with moons of Jupiter. There was a question "who as figured it out" and I answered Norway. That is not fucking comparing anything.
But if you want to compare Norway to USA, they have a 65 times smaller population at a 30 times smaller area, so they are at 2,2 times an disadvantage to fucking USA and have still figured it out.
We are talking about doubling the supply of electrical energy to households over a 10 year period. You have to be politically motivated to say that is a big issue, it is called development.
@@MrKirknel Norway is tiny in comparison to USA ( population) that's the problem. Plus our grid can barley handle itself now, imagine when we funnel our car energy through it too.
This is the same “Electric Czar” that was caught driving to work in DC, getting out and getting on a bicycle the rest of the way, so he’d look like he was doing the right thing.
Yeah, using a gas guzzling, full sized SUV no less. LMFAO this guy is a joke and needs more maternity leave.
Aw I commented that. Lol still a funny story.
Was that before he took 2 months 'maternity leave' during the transportation crisis! What a life!
Yep, same Booty…🤮
Maybe a solve would be to make us less dependent on cars…
The biggest thing is the heavier electric vehicle does not pay road tax to repair the roads.
Honestly as an electrician I can picture all house's needing a min. 200amp service to run two electric car chargers at the same time and almost all neighborhoods couldn't support it and all power lines/transformers would need to be upgraded to support that section on the grid.
Your point is well taken. I'd suggest a 400 Amp service is more likely needed, especially if there are two electric cars in the garage.
The selling point of al this BS is the liars coin. Heads = We must lower energy consumption. Tails = all vehicles, tools, generators, etc... must be electrical devices charged through remote power generation sites. Or, Heads= The earth is being raped and destroyed by mining for fossil fuels. Tails= We must mine more lithium and other rare earth minerals and create more toxic waste dumps for billions of disposed highly toxic batteries and disposable vehicles.
The same asshats came up with six sigma engineering and designing short lifespan disposable products. None of their tyrannical and destructive bullshit is possible without international monopolies, controlled propaganda, censorship, central banking, and central governments.
This is being done so the millionaires can become billionaires and the billionaires can become trillionaires and people wonder how they became arrogant enough to boast of genociding 93% of the population that is in their way.
They are a cult of liars, thieves, murderers, and Talmudic Supremacists.
Would they need to run them at the same time though? Could they but alternate which is charging when? We don't fill up on gas every day, and I hear electric car owners don't charge every day either.
There was a time when no one had running water either. Somehow civilization managed the upgrade.
Isn't a 200A panel already the minimum installed in any new home? If I'm not mistaken I think it's actually 300A.
I HAVE THE SOLUTION: To avoid building more power plants, everyone that owns an electric car(s) must charge them ONLY from solar panels or wind turbines.
Why?
That'll achieve sod all.
You do know what a solution is supposed to do?
@@Gambit771 Shh, they live in a dream world. If they were actually told the truth, they would just make more END OF THE WORLD videos.
@@Gambit771 It will make the greenies stand up and understand the realities of today. That is, a magic wand will not work and neither will just saying it. The infrastructure needs to be put in place for this to work...and it will take longer than 8 years. In effect, fossil fuels power the electric grid. As fossil fuels are eliminated what will take its place? Pretty much the only alternative is nuclear and the greenies don't like that either. Great goal but it is time to be realistic...C'mon man.
I have an even better idea, why dont we hold off on EVs until they develop a newer energy sorce to replace batteries and fossil fuel generators so you can recharge in minutes and leave rather than wait hours just for a mile or two until recharge. A Non rechargeable generator that needs no refueling or recharging at all but u swap out a core every 50 to 100 years. By then the shitty concept of EVs will be outdated, because they will have flying cars or shall I say, spaceships to travel around in, and they wont need refueling or recharging either so it would make charging stations old n unneeded. Think about that, we use Fusion power instead of electricity or fuel, nuclear power plants to power up everything and eventually we will reach the point where nuclear fusion reactors will become soo powerful, that we would have Wireless energy to supply electricity to everyone without wires or cables but thru optic wires that use light or some sort of reciever antenna that will receive the Wireless electricity produced by the Nuclear fusion reactor generators!! By this time, Warp engines and USS Enterprise ships will be the new shit, space will be where it's all going to be at. So yea why don't we just wait til we develop such technology before we replace fossil fuels!!
Lol. "I HAVE THE SOLUTION: ABANDON WHAT WORKS AND FORCE MY HYPOTHETICAL EXPENSE ON EVERYONE."