Knuckles Series is insulting - (SPOILER REVIEW)
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- Опубліковано 31 тра 2024
- Thanks to Knuckles, we have a new contender for the worst Sonic TV series of all time.
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Sonic the Hedgehog[a] is a video game series and media franchise created by the Japanese developers Yuji Naka, Naoto Ohshima, and Hirokazu Yasuhara for Sega. The franchise follows Sonic, an anthropomorphic blue hedgehog who battles the evil Doctor Eggman, a mad scientist. The main Sonic the Hedgehog games are platformers mostly developed by Sonic Team; other games, developed by various studios, include spin-offs in the racing, fighting, party and sports genres. The franchise also incorporates printed media, animations, feature films, and merchandise.
Naka, Ohshima, and Yasuhara developed the first Sonic game, released in 1991 for the Sega Genesis, to provide Sega with a mascot to compete with Nintendo's Mario. Its success helped Sega become one of the leading video game companies during the fourth generation of video game consoles in the early 1990s. Sega Technical Institute developed the next three Sonic games, plus the spin-off Sonic Spinball (1993). A number of Sonic games were also developed for Sega's 8-bit consoles, the Master System and Game Gear. After a hiatus during the unsuccessful Saturn era, the first major 3D Sonic game, Sonic Adventure, was released in 1998 for the Dreamcast. Sega exited the console market and shifted to third-party development in 2001, continuing the series on Nintendo, Xbox, and PlayStation systems. Takashi Iizuka has been the series' producer since 2010.
While Sonic games often have unique game mechanics and stories, they feature recurring elements such as the ring-based health system, level locales, and fast-paced gameplay. Games typically feature Sonic setting out to stop Eggman's schemes for world domination, and the player navigates levels that include springs, slopes, bottomless pits, and vertical loops. Later games added a large cast of characters; some, such as Miles "Tails" Prower, Knuckles the Echidna, and Shadow the Hedgehog, have starred in spin-offs. The franchise has crossed over with other video game franchises in games such as Mario & Sonic, Sega All-Stars, and Super Smash Bros.
Sonic the Hedgehog is Sega's flagship franchise and one of the bestselling video game franchises, selling over 140 million units by 2016 and grossing over $5 billion as of 2014. Series sales and free-to-play mobile game downloads totaled 1.6 billion as of 2023. The Genesis Sonic games have been described as representative of the culture of the 1990s and listed among the greatest of all time. Although later games, notably the 2006 game, received poorer reviews, Sonic is influential in the video game industry and is frequently referenced in popular culture. The franchise is known for its fandom that produces unofficial media, such as fan art and fangames.
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Supposedly the writers for the movies weren’t involved with the show.
That explains some things.
At least one of the writers is on both, last I checked. Bearing in mind Sonic Movie 3 's script was finished before May of LAST year (according to the writers)
john whittington writes episodes 1, 2, and 6, and jeff fowler directed episode 1, so no, one of the writers were involved
@@kao7143Jeff gets a pass
Even so, the fact that the sonic movie creators gave this the stamp of approval is saying a lot
Even so, the fact that the sonic movie creators gave this the stamp of approval is saying a lot
I feel like the writers didn’t want to make a knuckles show but they instead used him as a marketing ploy to trick sonic fans into watching a Wade movie. Sad.
Build up Wade. Give Dr. Robotnik characters he can kill later on to keep up his role as the villain since he’ll never be able to do that to any of the game characters.
@@whaleping
LOL
and what would make them think anyone would care about a show that focuses on wade a character most people probably forgot even existed
@@whaleping WADE! NOO!
@@whalepingnice excuse😂
I would absolutely watch the heck out of the Knuckles spin off you pitched. It's what we SHOULD'VE gotten.
Blud it ain't meant for yall, its meant for the general Audiences
Man, they should totally make a fully animated Sonic movie that goes all in with embracing the source material...
that's literally what the first movie shoudl have been
Thats literally what this movie franchise SHOULD HAVE BEEN, Just like the Mario Movie or the Angry Birds movie.
Or just ask Sega Japan considering the cheesy westernization of the Sonic movies and shows so far
@@wogardrodriguez2671 So I guess live action and CGI are garbage and should be destroyed according to you.
So practically Transformers one that's what's happening with that movie at least.
If I had a nickel for every time smug writers inexplicably got hired to write a Knuckles story and referenced The Holocaust, I'd have two nickels. Which isn't a lot, but it's odd that it happened twice.
What even is this profession.
When was the other time?
@@andreasmeelie1889 Penders. I don't know what issue but I think it was related to the Knuckles lore he sued SEGA over stealing. He paraphrased that famous quote about staying silent when they came for various people until nobody was left, much to readers' shock and disbelief.
You sound like a bot
@@chaserseven2886 Quite frankly, who doesn't these days
This show is like the wedding in the movie. It's just there to make minutes and not do a lot of animation.
Yeah, that I don't like. I tolerate that since it's mostly a bit part in a 2 hour movie, but a whole 6 episode show running about 22-33 minutes with episodes having that problem? No thanks, I draw the line at that obvious cost saving nonsense.
@motherplayer to be honest, I gave up when they did that lazy musical in the bowling alley. if I was believing that it needed to give time to became good, everything disappeared in that moment
That was the worst part of Sonic 2.
@@PlahaKumar yes it is, but it's 15 min in a 2 hour movie, but this all show is like that. I just didn't finish
This was what people were afraid the sonic movie was gonna be.
It's almost as bad tbh
@@kevin_kevinson The first Sonic movie was at least decent bc I didn't wanna punch the main human character in the face
@@Jones183 true you right
I just finished it and couldn't stand any of the humans other than Pretzel Lady @@kevin_kevinson
@RealityKun I was gonna subscribe to paramount and watch it but I'm not even going to watch it now lol that's sad
I can almost hear the Transformers fans looking over to the Sonic fans like, "First time...?"
Yeah, this is literally it.
Yeah, after reading your tweets earlier, the first few minutes of this review almost gave me whiplash. Until you mentioned Angel Island. That’s when my brain was like, “man, he’s just fuckin’ with us!”.
Well played, sir.
This marks Wades third appearance. Guess you could call it-
Wade 3... & knuckles
The fact almost all the apologist arguments can be disproven with "The Super Mario movie made a billion dollars" says everything. Paramount is targeting a general audience who stopped existing 20 years ago.
I mean, Mario is far more popular than sonic for the past ten years.
Mario is more popular than sonic. Any mario content are gonna be watched with people who are fans are recognize mario stuff. Most people aren't aware of game sonic. So most of movie sonic fans aren't fans of the games so they've gotta target a general audience
@@whiten4635That's a lie. Sonic games sell pretty well even during the Adventure era.
@@KgEclispe252 the adventure Era. That is 20 years ago. And sonic games do sell well but no where near as mario for example frontiers sonic highest selling game in decades sold 4 million copies as of current which surpassing sonic heroes sales. Mario wonder sold 13 million copies and that game isn't even a year old.
You see the difference sonic just isn't as popular as mario and it's the brutal honest truth
@@whiten4635 That is true not denying that part. But acting like no one knows any Sonic characters is ridiculous. And who cares why not introduce these characters to a new audience then?
I think the show is cute but it NEEDED more Knuckles and less Whipple family
The Whipple family & Knuckles lmao
What makes me the most sad is that I was actually 100% on board with the premise. I was hoping for something more akin to Sonic 1, with Wade and Knuckles bonding over an adventure while nast foes are trgering them.
The problem is that they decided having their bond be rhe centerpiece of the show was too tough so they had to pivot so hard on to Wade's family that made rhe GUY WHOS SHOW IS NAMED AFTER completely fall by the wayside.
I hate to feel like this cause I truly enjoy how the sonic movie universe handles the interaction between the live action and cg characters. Its why i actually enjoyed episode 1 the most and why I can see Fowler understands the assigment. But the folls that take over after he leaves past ep 1 did NOT
*Fall to the WADEside
THE WADE WHIPPLE SHOW featuring Knuckles.
Disappointing.
50+ year old sonic fans when a sonic character doesn’t have more screen time then 20 minutes: 😡😡😡😡
*and Knuckles
@@CTL_ Do you actually think it's a good thing? Care to explain yourself?
@@vadim_65rus Whats wrong with all of you guys??? This show was written fine and also this show is very clearly not meant to be taken seriously, Im a huge sonic and i enjoyed this show a lot, Wade's Antics were fun, Wade and Knuckles interactions were incredibly charming and funny, I liked the comedy and found it funny, Theres nothing wrong with humans and you should review a show for what it does and not what you want it to do. Knuckles had plenty of screentime (While ill admit he has less screentime in episodes 5 & 6, I dont care because this show does wades parts well and they are not bad in any way and are very entertaining.) Only cons with this show are the villains and Wanda. Y'all are just stubborn and as soon as this show wasnt exactly what you wanted it to be You all were just like 0/10!!! NO ROUGE! TOO MUCH WADE! That isnt criticism, That's just being immature.
@@CTL_I mean, it's a SONIC series, so Sonic fans are there to see Sonic stuff.
I geniunely think this is some of the worst for how anti-Sonic this was. Someone described it best that Knuckles is not a character, he's a plot device for Wade. Also I hated the generic movie music choices that felt like any other show other than Sonic. And the sentiment "go by what it is than what you expected" is bullshit because even if it was a funny sitcom it is objectively a *bad* Sonic show. It is something than being what it's supposed to be. About Knuckles. It's like wanting excellent pizza but you're given excellent sushi. Doesn't matter how great that sushi is, you want pizza.
If there was story potential I wanted some kind of prequel of Knuckles in his tribe as a kid, something actually lore based and exciting. But instead we get a bad sitcom.
So heres the thing abt this show
It is written by an ENTIRELY different team. Only episode 1 was directed by Jeff Fowler. Pat Casey didnt write any of the episodes either, and the budget is obv low to save more for sonic 3. I am not worried for Sonic 3, bc that writing team is more competent than whoever was writing this
Why couldn't they just get the same team members behind the first 2 movies to lay the ground work for the knuckles show? I understand work the 3rd movie is important but come on, if you're gonna make a mini series that is between the 2nd movie and the up coming 3rd movie then maybe you should at least have the movienteam lay out a foundation to make the mini series feel more promising to it's title.
@@supergenesisstation1991 Oh nah i absolutely agree
That explains why Episode 1 was the best episode
This shit is bassicaly Sonic's Planet Sheen
Should have been called Wade Whipple & Knuckles
Well hey at least then we would have gotten an "& Knuckles" reference so that would have been *kind of* cool
I don't think this franchise should keep the human character appearances to a minimum and would rather they just give the humans more urgency in Sonic's story, but the way you describe it makes it sound like the opposite where Knuckles is placed into Wade's story rather than Wade being placed into Knuckles' story.
Honestly, that was my thoughts on the first movie. considering the second movie was more like Sonic 3 & Knuckles, then the first movie would've been like Sonic 2 where Sonic enjoys being alone in the human world until Tails accidentally travels to Earth and tags along with Sonic because he's lonely but reveals he has the chance to return back home, which Sonic uses him as a way to talk his way on getting home. Basically a buddy movie. Sonic and Tails are also on the run from the government and Dr Robotnik. And through the adventure is when Sonic begins to bond with Tails as a little bother-figure and there would be scenarios where Tails saves Sonic. (Maybe because Sonic can't swim, have a scene where he's caught in a running river and Tails finds and saves him.) And at the end, they end up losing their rings but use the last one to vanquish Robotnik and decide to stay on Earth and Sonic decides to raise him. Idk, something like that.
Instead, the franchise should focus on how Knuckles was microwaved as a baby (real, non-human plot-line)
Watched it through and thats exactly how this show felt.
Loke Knuckles was dropped into Wades story, that KNUCKLES was the answer to Wades problem.
It was the Wade show featuring Knuckles.
literally the main conflict is wade trying to win a bowling tournament and knuckles was just there to help him. it IS wade's story with knuckles in it. the fact that after the second movie AND a whole spin off show there's only five sonic characters is embarrassing especially when you look at the mario movie. if any of the human characters get anymore than 5 minutes of screentime in the third movie, then thats complete bs
@@spidermanfan73921tbf humans play a significant role Sonic adventure 2’s story so yk they’re most likely gonna have screen time
it feels like the writers would rather be writing anything but a sonic show.
I'm sorry that this is really negative but If I'm honest, this show has ruined the Sonic movie universe for me.
I've decided that I'm not seeing Sonic movie 3 in theaters and am just gonna wait until it comes to Paramount because I don't want to waste money on seeing these stupid human characters getting 95% of the movies runtime with more awful jokes.
First Sonic Boom, then Sonic Prime and now this??
Is it really THAT hard to make a good Sonic show??
Did the show kill your dog or something? lmao
"keep crying baby!"
*Heavy weapons guy.*
Wow. I completely called that this would be a boring a** show. It’s got terrible humor. A boring plot. And boring characters
Listen, i didn't even like the show all that much, but the thing you're asking for is also completely unrealistic for the franchise. There is absolutely no way in hell that they would ever introduce at least 3 new fan favorite characters inside a spin-off show, especially since the series so far has stuck to introducing 2 per movie. This show should have had more Knuckles in it definitely, focusing on Wade as much as they did was a problem, but when talking about the future of the franchise, its not logical or realistic to throw away all the human characters and the entire human side of the story to make way for Sonic fan service. The humans are here to stay. They've made that incredibly apparent. This is an adaptation, a new look on the Sonic franchise, so personally, im glad it's not like the games. That would be boring. The Mario Movie was boring for that exact reason. It didn't take any risks and ended up being 90 minutes of fanservice without a good story. The Sonic movies have had good stories, and a big part of that is the dynamic between Sonic, Robotnik, and Tom. So yes, Sonic is more domesticated and not like his game counterpart in that way, but theyre trying something new with the character, and personally, thats more exciting to me as a viewer because i dont know where this franchise is going. It would be incredibly boring as a fan to watch these movies be 1-1 carbon copies of the games because, like, im just seeing things i already know, but honestly, done worse.
Im not expecting Sonic 3 to be exactly like SA2, and honestly, i really dont want it to be. That would suck as a movie. I want to be surprised. So if that's what you're expecting of Sonic 3, you need to tamper with your expectations because you're going to be disappointed.
True
Finally someone who says. I like the movie despite its issue but asking for so much is such a problem especially work on sonic movie 3
I actually liked the show , it’s not the best or anything , but it was fun and I liked Wade and knuckles friendship
I agree with your discussion
Sonic fans need to realize that budgets exist and CGI is fucking expensive
Wade doesnt get drugged, he just gets knocked out
He was electrocuted
Hot take But despite the series focusing on wade it also gave knuckles a genuine arc with learning how to feel like he's actually at home and part of a family. Yes it's weaker than the movies but as content in the movie universe its fairly solid.
My biggest issue with the defenders trying to justify those human scenes and gaslight you to make it think it's good, is that if they're "sooo good" why would not the marketing simply be honest about it? Why lie? Why hide the fact that Wade is the focus and market it as the Knuckle show? If they're that confident with the writing that could've been more honest in the marketing.
Wade is in the marketing though
@@professordreadwin7959exactly like every trailer, if it’s live action it’s gonna have humans. They’d just animate it if they’re gonna do a true solo knuckles series. It’s cheaper and easier to make
They did market wade? Literally the trailers were about knuckles making wade into a warrior. It's your fault for expecting something different. And not to mention they are working sonic movie 3 of course knuckles ain't gonna be in it much edris and cgi works as well as some of writers are working on a whole different movie. We aren't gaslighting. We are being reasonable.
You are gaslighting yourselves into thinking it's bad, that's the part that I find funniest. lol
We can confidently say the knuckles show did not no da wae
Man there's no pleasing you guys huh? Show wasn't even that bad lmao
@@BigRig97if most people saying it's bad especially because it was more like Knuckles as a side character then yeah it's bad
@@BigRig97
Im sorry that I want a show about Knuckles and not Wade.
@@BigRig97if you have to say something isn’t that bad, chances are it’s pretty bad lol
@@nes96 Most people are saying it's good, it's getting pretty good reviews. Are you sure you are on the right side of the line here?
I agree to some extent but idk, the Sonic movie property has always been like this, and people praised it for its “originality” so I never expected anything great from this series and what I got was something on par with like Sonic 1 really. I just find it baffling that all these complaints are coming out now that we’re three and a half movies in??
Lol! Pup you had me in the first 5 minutes! I was like 'This show introduces Rouge, Metal Sonic, and Amy Rose!? What!?'
Not me googling these characters confused why there's no images or videos of them from the show...
@@jordanmertens8972literally me. Was desperately looking for my guys team chaotix 😭😂
“Waisted my whole day…” - Lightning McQueen.
This show makes me appreciate the Mario and FNAF movies a lot, makes me question if the film franchise was ever even good
Classic Sonic Question
My guy you do realize that mario and fnaf are more direct with the source material whilst movie sonic isn't. So of course sonic team ain't gonna always be the 100% focus
@@whiten4635 That’s the point of my comment bro
The Mario movie isn't even a good movie lol It's just fanservice slapped on a lazy story.
You guys are cracking me up with the "Sonic was never good" stuff.
Skip to 4:56 for the actual review.
My god bro. The joke didn’t need to to run that long.
Four minutes of barking
While i agree that this show was not very good. I don't think this will be indicative of Sonic Movie 3 at all. Jeff Fowler only directed episode 1 of this show and in my opinion that was the best episode of the season. Not even Pat Casey the literal writer of the Sonic Movies was involved with this show. While you have every right to be worried about Sonic 3. I personally have confidence that Jeff fowler, Pat Casey and Tyson Hesse can deliver us a movie that Sonic Fans will absolutley enjoy but of course only time will tell.
The reactions to this show are quite polarizing and entirely built on what expectations were had before watching.
Those who expected more Sonic stuff were highly disappointed that there wasn't enough Knuckles or really much Sonic material at all.
Those who expected more Sonic MOVIE stuff got about what they expected and enjoyed it for what it was.
Wade was in the marketing pretty consistently so I'm not sure why it's that frustrating to everyone that Knuckles doesn't have the spotlight in every episode. The bigger issue was that it needed more episodes to round out the character arcs and have a proper finale with Knuckles and Wade.
Did Wade actually get drugged in episode 4? I thought he got electrocuted and after the electricity knocked him out he was just dreaming about Pachacamac.
We were led by a fake queen my bruddahs, This is not de wei
A few tidbits of lore that I appreciated in the show:
1. The mention of Robotnik's first name, "Ivo".
2. The confirmation that GUN has been around a lot longer in some form than we were led to believe. It just wasn't always called GUN.
3. One of the bowling commentators mentioned something about a similar incident involving an alien in 1974 which is 50 years prior to the show.
4. A look inside the GUN Headquarters which seems to share some design cues with what we saw in the Shadow game.
I get the feeling some of this will be relevant in Sonic 3.
26:17 Underground did lie, their mother was never found.
Fuck, you got me there. They're also above ground for quite a bit.
@@ChannelPup Well... "underground" doesn't have to mean literally under physical terrain
@@ChannelPupUnderground doesnt just mean below ground, it's also to do with things like Underground clubs.
Apparently, the main reason for the Rock Opera episode was they wanted to explore this Knuckles' backstory, but didn't have the budget for a full photo-realistic animated scene. It does make me wish it was an almost entirely CGI series that didn't need to be photo realistic, but I like that they used what they could instead of just dumping the backstory. Even though it was partially of focusing on licensed music and big names.
A couple of things I do like is they might have allowed connection with the Paramount G.U.N. and Project Shadow, since it seems they've been around for a while. I'm also hoping including Iblis, they are setting up a loose adaptation of Sonic 06. Maybe not adapt the Elise parts (especially since Knuckles may be the vessel), but focus on Solaris. I could also see them mixing in elements of Sonic Adventure.
There are lots of similarities between Adventure and 06's stories. Sins of the past, an angry god, etc. I know that the movie writers didn't work on this, but they could look at these few Sonic references and work with them
i was literally seething in the opening of this video, nice detail to give your avatar light blue, it indicated smth was up and it was confirmed when you basically mentioned your pitch on twt
A cool idea, but I just alternate hoodies nowadays to keep things fresh. 😅
@@ChannelPup Yeah I could smell the old one
The actress that plays the sister is in the Righteous Gemstones and Vice Principals and is absolutely hilarious. I would recommend checking them out.
so turns out she *can* act. and the writers simply made the worst type of character for her
(i can't even tell which positive traits she had.)
The song from the Knuckles series intro is the 1984 Scandal “The Warrior” from the album of the same name as the song. Very popular song, appealed to feminists movement of the 1980s and was featured on the Flash FM radio station on the Grand Theft Auto Vice City Stories soundtrack btw.
Your spot on with the music. It sucks
They played "send me an angel", I couldn't disagree more. The music in the entire show was awesome.
How to solve this issue in ten seconds...we start Sonic 3 with Wade waking up from a nap. "Wow..that was a weird dream." and never see it referenced again.
That would make the whole show pointless….
@@awesomeocelot7475 For those that consider the show an insult already, that's probably what they want. To invalidate its existence. Wipe it from the continuity. I don't, personally, but the option is there.
@@jraulerson3081 and that would that reverse all the development knuckles and wade had….plus their awesome friendship…..
@@awesomeocelot7475 I don't think Knuckles had nearly as much development as Wade did. Sure, he kind of got more used to humans, but he's still pretty static. Wade had the 'arc' of the series, which helped him find his confidence.
@@awesomeocelot7475 I agree with their friendship. I wouldn't want that to be lost.
that dream sequence felt like i was watching a youtube parody skit
Did we watch the same show???
Yes but channel pup was sober
It's not good but like, this isn't representative of Sonic 3 at all, so I hope people stop doomposting about it
Knuckles was not terrible, i really enjoyed it. Episode 1 and 2 were great. 3 was the worst, 4 was fun. And 5 and 6 were alright. Knuckles and wade were great, the agents were great. At least this is better than the halo show.
I bet this is just to set up wade as the amy replacement in the next movie, the character that connects with shadow and gets him to connect with his humanity and marias intentions. OR because in the knuckles show they gave wade that moment with pachamack and he somehow gets echidna strength powers for one instance to escape that bounty hunters cage so maybe wade will somehow get powers in movie 3.
“The Amy replacement in the next movie, the character that connects with shadow and gets him to connect with his humanity and Maria’s intentions”
Dang, so Chris?
There is 1 rap track in the show that i thought they were trying to use to emulate the knuckles theme and it was when Wade was showing Knuckles what music was, and it was this rap song that just keeps saying KICK IT! Then knuckles kicks the radio and destroys it
at this point i'll be shock if i hear any game music in sonic movie 3
The bowling plot could've have worked, had they done this instead:
Ep. 1: Have Wade recruit Knuckles for a new bowling team, to act as a ringer (A really good player).
Ep. 2: After Wade & Knuckles escape and have their talk, cut to the Ex-G.U.N. agents at The Buyer's hideout, where we're introduced to Rouge the Bat.
Ep. 3: While practicing for the tournament, Knuckles gets the team kicked out of another bowling ally, do to Knuckles destroying another lane with his strength. Wade takes Knuckles to his mother's house, with NO sister, who teaches Knuckles to relax which then allows Knuckles to control how much power he puts into his strength.
Ep: 4: Rouge shows up (No showing her face.) to fight Knuckles. Wade gets knocked out by some deb-re and we have that musical number, while cutting back and forth between the number and the fight with Rouge. Wade distracts Rouge enough to beak her prototype boots (With one of Knuckles' quills inside.) and she retreats.
Ep. 5: At the hideout, we learn where Rouge came from and why she's working for them, as well as her proposing they pretend to be a bowling team, lose the tournament, and capture Wade's mom during the finals. The tournament and Pistol Pete plot wraps up, with them winning, only to find Wade's mom is gone. They go to the penthouse and the episode concludes with them meeting the agents.
Ep. 6: They defeat the agents, get Wade's mom, and just as they exit the hotel, Rouge and The Buyer show up. So now, it's Knuckles & Wade Vs. Rouge (Wearing her iconic boots.) and The Buyer. Knuckles manages to knock Rouge out, while Wade holds off The Buyer. When Knuckles' energy was sapped, Knuckles reveals he had only sapped a fraction of his power (Calling back to Ep. 3.). They succeed in defeating The Buyer and head home, reuniting with Sonic and Tails.
Epilogue: G.U.N. finds The Buyer, revealing that Rouge was a double agent, working for G.U. N., or she ratted him out to G.U.N. when she realized she wasn't getting paid.
I had an alright time with the series. I def agree with the sentiment that it should have been more about Knuckles considering. You know he's literally the title character. But really, I kept my expectations moderate going in. From the getgo, the premise told me Wade was going to get as much attention if not more than Knuckles, so while not ideal, I don't really feel slighted given it was what I expected. It's a 6/10 at best, even on its own merits separate from the brand, but I wasn't really anticipating it being more than a somewhat fun romp in the Sonic movie universe, which is what I got. My only sticking point where I feel people are getting too worked up over is taking this series as if it's indicative of what Sonic 3 will be like. As some have pointed out, the movie staff have very little to do with this series, but even if you didn't know that, it seems pretty obvious that this was more of a slapped together side project to pump out a little more Sonic content than a legitimate "important" entry in the series. It's like saying Sonic Frontiers 2 will be bad because Superstars wasn't so hot. I understand brand synergy and I'm not suggesting this series won't have ANY impact on Sonic 3, but I do believe they're not using this series as a testing ground for the movies, so much as perhaps future miniseries spinoffs; I'd be more concerned about a Shadow spinoff series matching this quality than their big blockbuster threequel.
Otherwise, while I don't think this series was all that bad- I'd certainly rather rewatch it than Prime or Underground- I can understand why it didn't sit well with a lot of people. Let's just not start drawing lines where there aren't any and assuming a budget miniseries by entirely different writers is indicative of the quality and care from proven writers who have made celebrated media in the past. Not saying Sonic 3 can't still be bad, I have my reservations about it myself, I just think it's unfair to judge it based on Knuckles.
I had a great time with it. I liked Wade already so I didn't mind the longer screen time with him that much. I give the show an 8.
I enjoyed it personally, the only thing I didn't like was the "flames of disaster" and the implication that knuckles fought and beat iblis. Which is insane to me. I don't expect the movies to follow the games lore completely, but that whole backstory for knuckles power is such a drastic change that if they ever did do a 06 adaptation, it would be unrecognizable.
It's not that crazy. Iblis is powerful but if Knuckles is as strong as Sonic in this universe, it's not that surprising. I would be surprised if iblis is just dead tho rather than just dormant.
THAT’S WHAT YOU’RE WORRIED ABOUT!? My man you weren’t even watching a sonic show you just got scammed 😭
The thing is you cant beat Iblis, it's a half of Solaris, an omnipotent and eternal god of time & space, even the purification from the positive energy of Super Sonic, Shadow and Silver were only able to revert back to its original and benevolent form, the Flame of Hope.
Guys you do realize that Iblis probably isn't the same as game canon. The movie version is gonna align with the game version and we've seen it mutiple times. For example the chaos emeralds forge and power the master in the movie, when in reality its the opposite the master emerald is the most powerful and completely nullify the emeralds. Having iblis be not as powerful isn't a big deal.
Oh they're *definitely* going to do an 06 adaptation. Everyone wants that
You are right, it's a shame that no Sonic music was used in the series. With a franchise so musically gifted it should be a no-brainer to incorporate.
The second movie teased more of Knux's backstory. Now, I didn't expect the bits we got from SA1 or really anything from the Ken Penders books, but I at least thought this would delve into his childhood as he grew to become the guardian of the Master Emerald. When they announced this show, they didn't give a plot synopsis. So I assumed all that stuff about the echidnas that was teased in the movies would be explored here. It would make sense because running time in a theatrical film should be tight. To me, this was a major missed opportunity. And as much as I really love this interpretation of Rad Red, i really hope we start seeing some more character growth. His nieve nature is cute right now, but he shouldn't just be the dummy of the group. We all know he's actually smarter.
I will say I really enjoyed the animated intro with the CD’s. I felt it was very cute and clever. And any excuse to see Knuckles in his hat is a good excuse. The show on the other hand…there were scenes that were painful to watch.
And for some reason my suspension of disbelief was pretty steady…up until the Samurai sword fight with the bounty Hunter…when the random mail man pulled out a flare gun to start the dual. It was the flare gun out of nowhere that knocked me across my head saying the “rules for this world” had been broken.
This show is absolutely awful. You people better give more respect to the Knuckles' comics. While Knuckles wasn't even the main character in those, they were interesting and sincere at least. It felt like Ken Penders wanted to write it.
Those comics are not canon
@@SugarVision420 They're canon to themselves. By that logic, you shouldn't care about the movies because they're "not canon" to the games.
So because this show didn't have enough knuckles it means its bad. You do realize it would be nearly impossible to make a fully centered knuckles show when sonic 3 is in production. Some the writers. Most of the cgi workers and Edris were prioritizing the movie. That's why knuckles isn't hear much they didn't have the time nor budget him to put him that heavily in the episodes unless they wanted to delay or hinder the third movie
@@whiten4635if you can't make a show all about knuckles, then don't make a show that's advertised to be about knuckles
@@antidisestablishmentarianism3 So you're saying your chocolate ice cream with m&m pieces is bad because there is 75% more m&m pieces than chocolate and was perhaps advertised falsely? Do you know how much money would be needed to get more chocolate while the sequel to that flavor is in production?
Episode 4 deserves an Emmy TBH. You got Wade playing Knuckles fighting TOkusatsu Iblis all the while voiced by Michael Bolton. Its absurd and I love it.
Also the scene after they escape Ice Cap Zone, where Wade and Knuckles talk about "victory" and enjoying life...HIGHLY underrated. Wade has some nice insight when they play a serious scene, but your right when they basically have him be Loud or manbaby 95% of the time.
Also Wanda was just bad. I Agree. It would be one thing to see her out in the field as a competent Agent...only to regress in the presence of family...but yeah they didnt' do that.
Also I wanted more Pachacamac.
I honestly think if they had a seventh episode it would help feel the last couple of episodes feel less Wade bloated. But hey this is an utter experiment by Paramount.
This is all completely fair. I thought episode 2 on a whole was fine.
@@ChannelPupwhy are your whining on Twitter over people liking the show, I liked it
@@Society.263 Content farming.
I honestly think stuff like the history of the Echidna tribe and Knuckles in general could've had more focus in this show. The Flames of Disaster could've been explained better too, like why Knuckles was seeking it out, and why he never used it until now.
They could have filmed it in Ireland and just called it Angel Island. Nobody would notice the difference.
The first episode was the only one directed by Jeff. It would’ve been a much stronger show if it kept the same balance between Knux, Wade, comedy & action that that one did. All the Wade stuff is mostly just for padding out the runtime since they obviously wouldn’t be able to afford putting over the top VFX filled action on the screen for anything more than half the time. It would’ve been perfectly balanced if it was just a spinoff movie because then they would’ve been forced to ration the runtime more effectively.
8:19 eminem has been real quiet since this dropped
Whats the ost playing on 20 min mark
The ``plot of the show`` you said in the begining doesn't quite fit the movie universe that well
but it would be amazing if the universe goes to some sort of ``PHASE 2`` where sonic and friends go back to the galaxy, more sonic characters show up and the humans have an already wrapped up story.
It's was a complete waste of time but I enjoyed myself.
I feel like this show was meant to release on April 1st but they just forgot to drop it then
LOL
I hate that they made yet another absolutely pathetic beta male / man-child character (Wade).
Do kids actually laugh at this kind of comedy?
Why didn't SEGA Japan handle the movies/show like Nintendo did with Mario?
Ah well.
Who laughs at this kind of comedy at all?
...depressed housewives?
Sonic isn’t really that popular in Japan
As someone who didn't have that much of a problem with the show, I was really looking forward to this video. Well, I'm always looking forward to your Sonic videos so this isn't surprising.
Not going to lie I'm not angry at this show because I care more about Sonic Movie 3 but I did watch all 6 episodes and even though I enjoyed the show I still don't think that it's a good sonic or knuckles show but I've seen worse.
personal i would watch the hell out of donut lord movie. that man is a hunk
I just finished watching the Knuckles Series and honestly it would have been better as a Movie but I Enjoyed it for the Most Part, sure Wade was the Main Focus but I knew that it would have been expensive to make a CGI Character the Main Focus in a Series but I have Fun and there’s surprisingly a lot of Sonic Easter Egg with Ivo Robotnik, the Flames of Disaster, and Shadow, IGN was right to put it a 8 out of 10.
This was literally sonic 1 word for word bar for bar
While I do love the idea of Knuckles Chaotix becoming a movie down the line, I don't think they'd have the budget to include Metal Sonic into a TV series, let alone Rouge, Vecter, Charmy and Espeo, and give them all good character development. I would say that could be a good movie after the third movie however, hopefully it can happen.
Don't get me wrong, not defending the Knuckles 6 episode series, there's a lot... A LOT wrong with it, but I'd give it maybe a 5/10, 6/10 if I wanted to be biased for Knuckles and just say it was a fun time. But the villains were super weak, the Wade parts were hit or miss, mostly miss, the ending fight was very anticlimactic, flashy and cool once Knuckles started fighting, but over 10 seconds later. There was some good in it, just not enough to save this from just being another run of the mill series of road trip moments with Knuckles and Wade.
Hopefully, in any future series they do, or in season 2 if they go through with it, they make it a bit more impactful for the main story rather than just Wade, but for what it was, it was okay.
I thought Pachamac was a an actual ghost
As a Sonic fan, well maybe not an actual Sonic fan cuz I like the 2010s Modern Era so maybe a pseudo-fan I didn't feel in the least bit slighted by the Knuckles show,
Definitely not a: "Who's this show for?" Kind of thing.. that statement still only applies to Velma which.. got a second season for some reason, I enjoy it as simple goofy fun🤷♂
I may not agree BUT, I did wanna say, you are as actual of a Sonic fan as you feel you are. If you like the 2010s iterations, that's still Sonic. Love what you love and make no apologies.
@@ChannelPup Thanks man, I feel better about myself a lot more💖
love that re-write you made to the show at the beginning! It sounds like a waaaaay more entertaining show! But here's what I would do if I was in charge of the show while still remaining low budget. If they absolutely needed to have Wade in it, then fine but I would try to mostly have him in the background as a more grounded comic relief character.
The first episode would be slightly tweaked, by instead of Knuckles getting grounded, and all that, the episode would be about Sonic, Tails, and Knuckles, discussing on where they should place the master emerald. Knuckles would then say "no need to worry my friends i have the perfect place" then it would pan to a shot of angel island. And have Knuckles explain that he must reach the emerald alter on his own.
Wade would tag along.
(I can't think of reason so just go with it)
And the rest of the show would be about them exploring angel island. WITH THE MUSIC FROM THE GAMES IN IT! And they could have Knuckles just breezing through angel island, going through all the zones like hydrocity, ice cap, and mushroom hill zone. And if you want to cut down on the budget, than you can have 4 minutes per episode of Wade just struggling to get through the first part of angel island zone. And since it's just a forest, than it won't cost that much. Plus you can have him as the straight man commenting on all the wacky things he sees, like springs, spikes, and loop de loops.
The villain would still be the buyer, but he would be sending some of eggmans robots to stop Knuckles. That would gradually get tougher and tougher, until he sends metal Knuckles to fight knuckles, in the series finale!
14:08
As a jew, I think the mother could be referring to some other things, other than only the holocaust (as I assumed you assumed).
The tribe of Israel faced a lot of similar things throughout history as you can read in תנ״ך (the Bible)
and also in modern times - the people of Israel faced some harsh things as I mentioned.
I think this show doesn't afraid to touch on some complicated subjects, like bad parenthood.
don't get me wrong, this show is for kids, but it doesn't draw a "sweet lovely" world, by it's action scenes, by it's subjects and even by its language sometimes,
and I liked it, its was complex here and there.
as a Sonic fan, It would be amazing if we got a lot more Knuckles.
but personally, the 360 Hava Nagila was the best thing.
I feel like it refers to all of that. My jaw dropped at the line tbh. Then it was followed by a balls joke. This show was an acid trip.
What's with Paramount+ and video game TV shows?
Y'all remember that short Sonic Drone Home?
The Knuckles show should've been that but a full series,they could've had him go on an adventure where the Master Emerald gets stolen and Knuckles going on a globe-trotting adventure to get it back.I don't even need Rouge to be the one who steals it,just give us Fang The Sniper played by Rob Paulsen,and I'll be content,happy even.
11:40 Is Ghostbusters also a Paramount IP?
It’s a shame that these films can’t seem to represent the world of this franchise to its fullest. I’m sure there are some limitations that come with making live-action films…
But you know, they really didn’t need to be live-action.😑
I’m stunned that they had the balls to allude to Iblis. But making Knuckles the protagonist of the Knuckles show? Nope, that’s where they had to draw the line.👌
This is why I'm kinda concerned with The Legend of Zelda movie. Why live action? I feel that with a story like that, it needs to be animated. I guess they may be going with a Lord of the Rings-like tale since Lord of the Rings gave us a hint of how The Legend of Zelda would look. Especially with how Legolas looked like Link. But with animated stuff they can have more range with emotions, shots that can't be done with a normal camera, and if the story is about a child Link like Wind Waker then yeah, it's more suited to be animated. But imo animated stuff has always been more interesting to me than live action. (I.e. Justice League/Justice League Unlimited) 2-d that is.
This show kinda puts my biggest problem with the Sonic movies at the forefront. That being, it’s easily the least subversive piece of sonic media in franchise history.
Just finished it.
It's like Sonic Movie 1, but BAD.
All the cool parts in the trailer were barely in the show. Who cares about Knuckles when we have a bowling tournament instead?
And what gets me is that it ISN'T a bad concept. I actually like Wade and him and Knuckles going on an adventure sounds pretty fun, but Knuckles gets shoved away from the story to the point I feel like I was lied to on who the story is focused on.
If anything it's like what Sonic Movie 2 did with the Wedding subplot, but a billion times worse. These movies have genuinely good comedy, but as it stands it's easily the worst of the Sonic Movie saga overall.
It would've been better if the climatic bowling alley was videogame-themed
Just like they did with Wade's musical, where he was dressed as Knuckles and was "playing" the games
Ain't no way he's saying it could be worse than prime. That is the SINGLE worst thing EVER in the franchise
Edit: I started a war with ninjdraw8305 who waffles wayyyyyyyyyy too much
Couldn’t have said it better myself.
prime isnt even bad. it at least respects the source material and can at least be considered a sonic show. this isnt even a sonic show, its a sitcom about characters nobody cares about that aren't interesting with knuckles here and there
@@mrmelonman2893NO respect to the source material destroys YEARS of character development fails in every way at delivering q multiversal story foreshadowed for ages. Unfunny, destructive and just dead and boring.
@@safeenentertainment8566 intelligent man
no its worse
Did bro just say that Idris Elba didn’t return to voice knuckles?
18:38 Please say it louder, it needs to be said and heard, explain to me why general audiences somehow matter more than the fans who've been loving the series for years, make a faithful adaptation for the fans, it's loved, don't make something you said was what we love then it's nothing like it, that's lying to people
And as for general audiences, why make shit for them when casual audiences will eat up whatever is made for them anyway, IF IT IS GOOD, general audiences WILL ALWAYS LOVE IT then both fans and them will be happy. I don't see how that's so hard to get.
If you stitch the 6 episodes together, the structure is exactly the same as Sonic 1. Even the final battle is just a cut and paste of Sonic 1's final battle (Sonic/Knuckles gets knocked out, human character says some inspiring lines to show how close they've grown now, Sonic/Knuckles is revived with some super-awesome power, Sonic/Knuckles and human character work as a team to get in the final blow.) The writers were so lazy.
And I hate how snooty Hollywood is with their weird stance of this kind of source material not being enough on its own and having to shoe-horn in random crap for a "general audience". That is just flat-out dumb and misguided and ends up pleasing no one. If you show a new audience the undiluted Sonic universe that we are all fans of, maybe they would become fans too! Like you said, we obviously are for a reason! The franchise source material can clearly pull its own weight in terms of making new fans. Point is, Knuckles is the draw. GIVE US KNUCKLES!
I personally enjoyed the show but that idea at the beginning with the Chaotix, Rouge, and Metal Sonic sounds way better than what we got, I would’ve much preferred getting a show like that, maybe even still having Pachacamac in there through flashbacks to the past or something that makes Knuckles realize Pachacamac and the Knuckles tribe were not great people, they weren’t all bad but they still did some crappy things, becoming a huge blow to Knuckles until he decides the adventure he’s on and his last one when he teamed up with Sonic and Tails will be the start of him at least trying to make up for his tribe’s mistakes
I'd say the Human story is pretty entertaining(On its own accord), it should not be outright dominating a show where the premise is about Knuckles(Supposedly).
I suspect its likely the people in charge of releasing the show realized there's be audience backlash akin to what happened with Halo Season 1. Hence why Paramount likely dropped it all at once they can pull the band aid off as quickly as possible and move on. That way they don't not end up in the situation with the Halo Show where the problems show more and more in increasing detail over the course of several weeks.For what it is
I wouldn't care about the amount of time it's focused in Wade.... if Wade and most characters weren't just annoying AF.
I swear you guys are so mean this show is insane.Hate this fanbase...
It's funny that your Internet went out while watching the show because my whole computer crashed at one point watching it lol
I think the reason why Tom works was because his character was kind of already complete and most of the time he was just being somewhat of a worried dad in the second one because sonic didn’t have friends Meanwhile, Whitehall stick was the fact that he is the joke character, and while I don’t mind knuckles being a motivator for weighed, I feel like half the time a lot of the screen time is given to Wade and it’s almost too much like hell I didn’t mind the human bit in the sonic movie because at least it’s not almost the entire film in this TV series. Knuckles has barely in it which is basically how sonic fans view the sonic movies in some exaggerated cases?
Personally I liked because we get the bond between wade and knuckles frendship
Who cares though? No one shows up to the Sonic movies to see Wade or any of the human characters aside from Eggman.
@@steved.g.5361they’re in the fucking promotion of the movies and show, wtf did you expect? It would just be an animated series or movie if they solely focused on the “animals”
Bro pumped this Review out in the speed of sound. The show isnt even out everywhere.
ok but its for him
At the very least, I would've been fine if Knuckles was THERE, with Wade in most episodes for them to interact. In episode 4, Knuckles should've followed him to give Wade an out. During the bowling tornament Knuckles should've been there by Wade's side as he bowls.
FYI I would prefer that Knuckles were the main protag in a show called "KNUCKLES"!!!
But, if Wade HAD to be the main focus then Knuckles should be there 80% - 90% with him.
Their friendship should've been worked on but, that didn't happen and now I really do not feel any connection between the two.
It's artificial.
I had extremely low expectations about the show, i had a feeling they wouldn't go craxy with the lore and for what we got... i mean it's not terrible-
My expectations still remain pretty high for sonic movie 3 though
14:36 I love hearing him cuss about Wade's sister.
I agree on alot of things but i enjoyed it, this isnt masters of the universe revelations knuckles is in every episode, quite alot, and you cant expect them to introduce amy and rouge for the sonic 3 movie because that goes under the assumption the two were talking to each other during production