Hahah yeah, they are SD1's (Special Division Project #1), but the confusion comes from when the last of the V8s were fitted with the early Lucas injection systems (first developed on the SD1 for the US market in the early 80s) where the "1" was replaced with an "i" to denote fuel injection.
Well spotted! Also of note is that every road going Sierra RS500 officially produced was RHD. There was never a LHD from the factory. I don't think there was anything in the rule book which prevented moving the driver from one side to the other. :>)
The #27 Commodore that Allan Grice drove in the ETCC in 1986 was then driven in the 1987 BTCC by Mike O'Brien - does it still survive? it would have made a good addition to this demonstration.
LOL - The number 17 Shell Sierra Cosworth Group A. Jeez! I haven't seen that car for a while. And the last time I saw it, it wasn't blowing clouds of oil smoke on the over-run. I seem to remember Dick Johnson took it to Europe, and showed them all how it was done. It was the quickest Sierra in Australia, (because Dick was a dirty rotten cheat - the sort that doesn't often get caught) and then he went to Europe to have a look, and it was the quickest Sierra there too... So, then Eggenburger and team came to Australia, to race at Bathurst, and they got caught in the first round of scutineering, because they'd modified the wheel arches or something - the bodywork was non-standard. So they appealed that and got an injunction (or some damn thing) to run, and argue about legality later. They ran, and they won, and then the case went through the racing body and they didn't get the result they wanted, so they took it to a court of law. That took 10 or 11 months to go through, and the disqualification was upheld. The Texeco Eggenburger Sierrars had non-standard bodywork, which meant they were not legal Group-A cars. Seems nobody told them about that in Europe, but here in Aus, Eggenberger was a Bathurst winner... for not quite a year. Dick Johnson Racing built very, er... "competitive" engines in Australian car racing for well over 20 years. To some extent, they're still doing it... DJR cars, not always the best car on the grid, but they very seldom get out-dragged. They're not often short of horsepower...
It was an era of mad cheating all round. The BMWs got done for illegal fuel, the Nissans were running illegal setups with bypassing the turbo restrictors, Brock got done for spraying the intercooler with freon gas from the fire extinguisher system to cool the intake charge. As you mentioned DJR were skirting the rules by running illegal turbos, Longhurst had questionable wheels, and Glenn Seton's cars were often underweight. HRT allegedly had their own special fuel blend, although that was never proved conclusively. About the only team that didn't have any question marks was Larry Perkins, and he was mostly running mid-field at best despite having the best engineered cars by far. Back in those days the scrutineering was a lot more lax than it is now, and if you ran within the rules you were basically nowhere. If you wanted to run up the front you pretty much had to cheat in some way. Thus has it always been in motorsport. Find the loopholes and exploit them. Find an edge. There will always be rule bending.
@@woopimagpie ~ What was it Collin Chapman so famously said? "Rules are for the guidance and interpretation of wise men, and the blind obedience of idiots."
@@Kneedragon1962 I'm not entirely sure I'd be guided by the words of Colin Chapman given how that saga ended..... but sure, it's still an accurate view. My absolute favourite cheating example will always be the Toyota Celica 1995 rally cars. That sliding turbo housing thing they engineered was GENIUS, and it was only discovered by accident. It was so well done that even the drivers didn't know. Devilishly clever, and had it not been discovered we might never have known they even did it and we'd be lauding those Celicas as fantastic winners. It's almost a shame they got caught, I thought it was so well done that from one perspective they deserved to win. Even the rulemakers were impressed by how well it was done.
The Belgium ex cc developments Mustang is in part 1, the only other group a Mustang I know about in Europe is a one of the yellow (pinetrac?) Liveried cars ex zakspeed/DJR car possibly. The rest are all out is Australia still. Holden I think a few years back a car was found in Holland as to what's happening with it or what car it was, no idea. But don't think there's any others still in Europe let alone the UK. No idea what a Nissan patrol is, but skylines we didn't see many in Europe, think the spa car went back to Japan. Ric Wood has built some replicas to race in hscc last couple years. As to cheating, I think everyone was bending the rules, TWR Holden's tried a few tricks without success.
Wow this brings back memories, remember, me and my dad sitting up late watching these whene i was a kid back in the late 80´s...
Jim Richards won two Australian Touring Car Championships in JPS-liveried BMW Group A cars - in 1985 with the 635ci and in 1987 with the M3.
My father owned the Dennis Leach Sd1 for a short time, he re shelled it after brake failure at Gerrards and left it painted white
The Rover is an SD1, not an SDI. Small difference but get it right.
Besotted with those M3s in period liveries but then again I'm utterly biased! Would love one.
Wonderful to see these fabulous motors getting a good run. Please tell the commentator that it's a Rover SD ONE, not SDi. Dear me.
Hahah yeah, they are SD1's (Special Division Project #1), but the confusion comes from when the last of the V8s were fitted with the early Lucas injection systems (first developed on the SD1 for the US market in the early 80s) where the "1" was replaced with an "i" to denote fuel injection.
Is that Rolf Harris in the Shell 500?
Yeah, day release eh??? Think he had a few hostages in the boot!
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OMG that red M3 was RHD!
Well spotted! Also of note is that every road going Sierra RS500 officially produced was RHD. There was never a LHD from the factory. I don't think there was anything in the rule book which prevented moving the driver from one side to the other. :>)
Holden commodore you forgot that
Only European cars allowed
Look at Part one. Volvos in there.
Weird but a stunning and very quick Car in it's day.
I’m curious what kept the 240 turbo from starting the race. Those cars were very competitive back in the day.
The #27 Commodore that Allan Grice drove in the ETCC in 1986 was then driven in the 1987 BTCC by Mike O'Brien - does it still survive? it would have made a good addition to this demonstration.
LOL - The number 17 Shell Sierra Cosworth Group A. Jeez! I haven't seen that car for a while. And the last time I saw it, it wasn't blowing clouds of oil smoke on the over-run. I seem to remember Dick Johnson took it to Europe, and showed them all how it was done. It was the quickest Sierra in Australia, (because Dick was a dirty rotten cheat - the sort that doesn't often get caught) and then he went to Europe to have a look, and it was the quickest Sierra there too... So, then Eggenburger and team came to Australia, to race at Bathurst, and they got caught in the first round of scutineering, because they'd modified the wheel arches or something - the bodywork was non-standard. So they appealed that and got an injunction (or some damn thing) to run, and argue about legality later. They ran, and they won, and then the case went through the racing body and they didn't get the result they wanted, so they took it to a court of law. That took 10 or 11 months to go through, and the disqualification was upheld. The Texeco Eggenburger Sierrars had non-standard bodywork, which meant they were not legal Group-A cars. Seems nobody told them about that in Europe, but here in Aus, Eggenberger was a Bathurst winner... for not quite a year.
Dick Johnson Racing built very, er... "competitive" engines in Australian car racing for well over 20 years. To some extent, they're still doing it... DJR cars, not always the best car on the grid, but they very seldom get out-dragged. They're not often short of horsepower...
It was an era of mad cheating all round. The BMWs got done for illegal fuel, the Nissans were running illegal setups with bypassing the turbo restrictors, Brock got done for spraying the intercooler with freon gas from the fire extinguisher system to cool the intake charge. As you mentioned DJR were skirting the rules by running illegal turbos, Longhurst had questionable wheels, and Glenn Seton's cars were often underweight. HRT allegedly had their own special fuel blend, although that was never proved conclusively. About the only team that didn't have any question marks was Larry Perkins, and he was mostly running mid-field at best despite having the best engineered cars by far. Back in those days the scrutineering was a lot more lax than it is now, and if you ran within the rules you were basically nowhere. If you wanted to run up the front you pretty much had to cheat in some way.
Thus has it always been in motorsport. Find the loopholes and exploit them. Find an edge. There will always be rule bending.
@@woopimagpie ~ What was it Collin Chapman so famously said?
"Rules are for the guidance and interpretation of wise men, and the blind obedience of idiots."
@@Kneedragon1962 I'm not entirely sure I'd be guided by the words of Colin Chapman given how that saga ended..... but sure, it's still an accurate view.
My absolute favourite cheating example will always be the Toyota Celica 1995 rally cars. That sliding turbo housing thing they engineered was GENIUS, and it was only discovered by accident. It was so well done that even the drivers didn't know. Devilishly clever, and had it not been discovered we might never have known they even did it and we'd be lauding those Celicas as fantastic winners. It's almost a shame they got caught, I thought it was so well done that from one perspective they deserved to win. Even the rulemakers were impressed by how well it was done.
Why the staggered start? It makes for a pretty boring race.
Don't think it was a race - more of a demonstration to appreciate the cars.
It was a high speed demo rather than a race.
No Nissan Patrols, or Nissans in general, no Commodores, No Mustangs and the Ovlov is parked on the warmup lap.
And the cheating Bimmers and Fords.
The Belgium ex cc developments Mustang is in part 1, the only other group a Mustang I know about in Europe is a one of the yellow (pinetrac?) Liveried cars ex zakspeed/DJR car possibly. The rest are all out is Australia still. Holden I think a few years back a car was found in Holland as to what's happening with it or what car it was, no idea. But don't think there's any others still in Europe let alone the UK. No idea what a Nissan patrol is, but skylines we didn't see many in Europe, think the spa car went back to Japan. Ric Wood has built some replicas to race in hscc last couple years. As to cheating, I think everyone was bending the rules, TWR Holden's tried a few tricks without success.