I'd say for Tekken 4, Jin was among the top tier for his strong poke game, parries and a savvy player can probably psyche out a Just Frame Laser Scraper. Arguably however a savvy player who understands how Jin works in T4 can fight him without feeling entirely oppressed. Other factors however, such as the levels, the rather messed up wall combos that can turn into an infinite and generally how T4 feels work in his favour. Most other characters in T4 felt weaker than T3 or Tag... Most.
@@mwkan772 Which is why I added 'a savvy player who understands how Jin works in T4 can fight him without feeling entirely oppressed' Or 'can probably psyche out a Just Frame Laser Scraper'. Probably is the keyword in that sentence And to add to context, I added Jin was Top Tier for Tekken 4, he was still overall weaker than his previous incarnations and it wouldn't be until Tag 2 where he'd return to form
@@mwkan772 Hard to compare T4 to Tekken 3 due to different life bar and other cast potential as well. Tekken 3 is juggle oriented then T4. But from my experience, I would say both are broken, but Jin T4 is pudding easy 😅. With a game which is poke oriented, Jin T4 looks way stronger. And least thought about laser scraper, you can mix speed of this string, every hit can be deleyed, so with "jf" and fake plus frames due delays is deadly AF
The issue is that T4 is powerscaled WAY down, so in the context of the game Jin occupied his own tier, whereas in T3 Ogre and Xiaoyu were able to be considered S tier as well.
You can so easily hit confirm JFLS, it doesnt matter that the last hit can be sidestepped. You cannot SS it on hit. Also, T4 combo damage was toned down for many characters, so Jin having a i15 kinda/mostly natural combo which lead to 50%+ is more of an outlyer then his T3 damage. Many T3 chars have crazy damage.
Basically, T3 had a much higher power level than the purposefully toned down T4. Jin is top 1 in T4 (though in the later days, he actually had competition from Nina and Steve) and top 3 in T3 (probably number 2). So he's a bit better in T4 relatively, but that's not nearly enough to compensate for how broken T3 was as a game.
This is actually fair to say and not many people recognize how strong t3 jin was even compared to t4 when he was also top tier level, maybe its because there were more characters in t3 that were strong as oppose to the top tiers in t4, making jin seem to stand out more in that game
Tekken 4 certainly was a weird game where everything felt a touch weaker, and while there were some mechanics that certainly wouldn't fly in today's Tekken games, I'd say there are few characters in Tekken 4's cast that you could consider extremely powerful. It was a weird game mechanically and balance wise, but no one can argue that it had some of the best story elements and aesthetics
I just realized this, I’m so late on this, T3 Jin is just pre-devil jin, they literally just gave all of T3 Jin’s moves to dev jin when he came out in T5 lol
Yeah, I do feel 3 Jin is perhaps the stronger fighter here. Should we put 3/4 jin together in a match, 4 having an OP parry and good pokes help, but 3 kinda already wins having an easy 60% combo with a better punish game. ...but if we're including "exploits", then 3 wins with his infinite twin lancer. No getting around that.
People always say that Ogres were the strongest characters especially Ancient Ogre but I strongly disagree. If i ever made a tier list i would put Jin at the top in his own separate category. if I remember correctly he was the only character who could launch punish both mid & low getup kicks on block and he had a whole lot of other cheap stuff IMHO he was simply the best character in Tekken 3
Kinda a tie, imo. Ogre has unbreakable waning moon, which is super busted. Ogre maybe cant launch low getup, but his infinity kicks are i10 and take 40% health XD
Don't forget about T3 Jin df1 bug. Dude had meterless Akuma focus cancels. Also, T4 Jin's Laser is easily hit confirmable and you can't ss the options on hit. On block it's just regular LS mix.
Everything of t3 jin was perfect but what made t4 jin annoying was the only and only 'JFLS' beyond that nothing can be compared to jin t4, so so many buffs jfls had
I thought this was going to be a lore video In the lore, I think Tekken 4 Jin is physically stronger because of training, but technically weaker because he's forcing himself not to use the Mishima/Kazama style he had in Tekken 3
Hmmm, still not entirely convinced. Just frame laser scraper alone makes T4 Jin stronger, and arguably the most broken character in the series (along with T5 Steve, and maybe T1 King). Look at Evo 2004 and all you'll see is T4 Jin mirror matches
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I'd say for Tekken 4, Jin was among the top tier for his strong poke game, parries and a savvy player can probably psyche out a Just Frame Laser Scraper. Arguably however a savvy player who understands how Jin works in T4 can fight him without feeling entirely oppressed. Other factors however, such as the levels, the rather messed up wall combos that can turn into an infinite and generally how T4 feels work in his favour. Most other characters in T4 felt weaker than T3 or Tag... Most.
his just frame laser scraper is often misrepresented..all options can be side stepped..it's even mentioned in the video..
Kindly Watch the full video and lemme know if you agree with my opinion..
@@mwkan772 Which is why I added 'a savvy player who understands how Jin works in T4 can fight him without feeling entirely oppressed'
Or 'can probably psyche out a Just Frame Laser Scraper'. Probably is the keyword in that sentence
And to add to context, I added Jin was Top Tier for Tekken 4, he was still overall weaker than his previous incarnations and it wouldn't be until Tag 2 where he'd return to form
@@mwkan772 Hard to compare T4 to Tekken 3 due to different life bar and other cast potential as well.
Tekken 3 is juggle oriented then T4.
But from my experience, I would say both are broken, but Jin T4 is pudding easy 😅.
With a game which is poke oriented, Jin T4 looks way stronger.
And least thought about laser scraper, you can mix speed of this string, every hit can be deleyed, so with "jf" and fake plus frames due delays is deadly AF
Don't know enough about T3 Jin to comment on strength, but T4 Jin has the best look and story, in my opinion.
In my opinion it's Tekken 5 Jin looks and storywise.
T3 is basically devil jin
@@tonystark559 and T5 Jin is having a character split crisis with Devil Jin.
@@praghoxshochkweaveblossom5627 yes indeed my friend
The issue is that T4 is powerscaled WAY down, so in the context of the game Jin occupied his own tier, whereas in T3 Ogre and Xiaoyu were able to be considered S tier as well.
Tekken 3 jin asthetics were on another level
indeed
In 4th tek, you cant step unblok, if first two hit get you, so it was homing 15 frame launch
Very well made video! 💪
I completely agree with your assessment 👍👍
You can so easily hit confirm JFLS, it doesnt matter that the last hit can be sidestepped. You cannot SS it on hit.
Also, T4 combo damage was toned down for many characters, so Jin having a i15 kinda/mostly natural combo which lead to 50%+ is more of an outlyer then his T3 damage. Many T3 chars have crazy damage.
Basically, T3 had a much higher power level than the purposefully toned down T4. Jin is top 1 in T4 (though in the later days, he actually had competition from Nina and Steve) and top 3 in T3 (probably number 2). So he's a bit better in T4 relatively, but that's not nearly enough to compensate for how broken T3 was as a game.
This is actually fair to say and not many people recognize how strong t3 jin was even compared to t4 when he was also top tier level, maybe its because there were more characters in t3 that were strong as oppose to the top tiers in t4, making jin seem to stand out more in that game
Tekken 4 certainly was a weird game where everything felt a touch weaker, and while there were some mechanics that certainly wouldn't fly in today's Tekken games, I'd say there are few characters in Tekken 4's cast that you could consider extremely powerful. It was a weird game mechanically and balance wise, but no one can argue that it had some of the best story elements and aesthetics
I just realized this, I’m so late on this, T3 Jin is just pre-devil jin, they literally just gave all of T3 Jin’s moves to dev jin when he came out in T5 lol
Some moves are missing like the spinning kick
Very well bro
Tag jin was ginormously overpowered
I think that Just frame laser scraper was a slap to the face for themainman saying it was unsteppable
Woah, what's the song at 2:20? Seems familiar, but I can't remember where that's from...
I don't know bro..maybe someone who knows it will comment here
Tekken 3 Bryan's theme
@@BilalKhan-ng3ex Oh, that's the one I didn't check haha, thanks!
Bryan Fury Tekken 3 remix. PlayStation version.
Yeah, I do feel 3 Jin is perhaps the stronger fighter here. Should we put 3/4 jin together in a match, 4 having an OP parry and good pokes help, but 3 kinda already wins having an easy 60% combo with a better punish game.
...but if we're including "exploits", then 3 wins with his infinite twin lancer. No getting around that.
3 has a lot of broken stuff
People always say that Ogres were the strongest characters especially Ancient Ogre but I strongly disagree. If i ever made a tier list i would put Jin at the top in his own separate category. if I remember correctly he was the only character who could launch punish both mid & low getup kicks on block and he had a whole lot of other cheap stuff IMHO he was simply the best character in Tekken 3
and the best version of jin in history
Kinda a tie, imo. Ogre has unbreakable waning moon, which is super busted.
Ogre maybe cant launch low getup, but his infinity kicks are i10 and take 40% health XD
Don't forget about T3 Jin df1 bug. Dude had meterless Akuma focus cancels.
Also, T4 Jin's Laser is easily hit confirmable and you can't ss the options on hit. On block it's just regular LS mix.
After Tekken tag Jin became his own character. Losing Devil Jin traits. Tekken 5DR Jin was better than previous.
yes
Honestly jin is either top tier or bottom tier, basically from tekken 5 til tag 2 he's mid-low tier and everything else he's top tier or even number 1
Everything of t3 jin was perfect but what made t4 jin annoying was the only and only 'JFLS' beyond that nothing can be compared to jin t4, so so many buffs jfls had
I thought this was going to be a lore video
In the lore, I think Tekken 4 Jin is physically stronger because of training, but technically weaker because he's forcing himself not to use the Mishima/Kazama style he had in Tekken 3
Jin never should've had a launching electric even to this day, it should be for mishimas only
His mishima hellsweep was far better than his t7 one.
Tekken tag 1 jin was the chad
T3 Jin b,f+2 CH can be escaped by holding forward.
Tekken8 jin too strong 😂😂
Tekken 4 barely had combos unless you're in walls or pillars
Q bhai jin seikhnay lagay ho kya 😂
Tekken 5 Jin the strongest 🤡
true lol
Lmao
Tekken 3 Jin
Hmmm, still not entirely convinced. Just frame laser scraper alone makes T4 Jin stronger, and arguably the most broken character in the series (along with T5 Steve, and maybe T1 King). Look at Evo 2004 and all you'll see is T4 Jin mirror matches
(Also, what Jin had in T3 is called a reversal, it's not a parry)
Jin is stronger