I’m a white male. Racism is still a problem. Early in my career, as a supervisor I had to choose someone from my crew to be in charge while I had to be somewhere else. I chose the most qualified person. He happened to be black and from Central American. Later I was approached by 5 white southerners/workers. They informed me that they could not take commands from “him”. I grew up with no racism, ( I am white and my parents are good people). I immediately recognized the racism. I was pissed. I “reminded” them that their new supervisor was twice the man that they would ever be and to STFU and do what he says. This was 30 years ago. I still remember it. People are people. The color of our skin does not matter.
Impossible to grow up with no racism. Its built into the fabric of the country. Pretty sure those people who approched to expressed they couldnt take orders from him will tell you they have good parents and arent racist. Being a racist isnt a bad word...it just what people are...
As much as they think that they are so pure and white as snow, their hearts are as dark as their stinking Graves. Even if they pretend to be human. Behind their white masks are pure skeletons.
I grew up in Southern Idaho just north of Utah. I can say as I grew up that there was absolutely no Black people around me in schools, community, church nothing. It was a highly mormonized community. I was not a Mormon and could clearly seeThe racist game they were playing.
You literally sound so ignorant. There is countries in the world where there are no white People does that make them racist? The reason why Utah/ idaho is mostly white is because of the oppression the faced in the east, what did you think? There is no black people because they’re racist and don’t allow them in those states or what? You don’t make any sense
It's funny that seeing whitx Christians groups is all of a sudden r*cist. I dont see anyone else besides mexican people in my Catholic church, so does that make us r*cist as well , or this doesn't fit your narrative?
God that’s so grim. One thing I will never understand as a white man is that feeling when your black experiencing discrimination. It must be such a sickening thing
It hurts because you dedicate your life to being excellent and amiable, practicing tolerance and the golden rule. You do all that and still get met with the hate that this country was built on. Not to mention gaslighting.
It’s worse when people try to tell you that it can’t be that bad I don’t have it happen that often but it sometimes does and it’s not a good feeling at all but in my opinion as a 43 year old black man is that everybody gets a little bit of it because every group have people with a problem honestly.
4 years old in grocery store in KS . . . police arrested a woman with a hand counter for theft because she put her hand in her pocket. Dad and siblings are dark. Took us home and ran drills on how to not put our hands in pockets AND drills on how to let police search your bags. (Hint: turn bag upside down and shake. Keeps them from planting something in the bag when they reach into it.)
If you haven't lived in Utah your whole life, or if you have lived in either Orem or Ogden, then you won't get it. It has nothing to do with color. We're a Mormon state. If you're doing something wrong, or even look like you are, you're a suspect. Dude, my cousin worked at a Smith's as a security guard and my own aunt assumed I was stealing. I lived in a 2 bedroom house with 7 people at the time and she didn't. She hated my mom because she was "white trash". Went and told the whole family I was a thief. So no it's not a race thing. Just a rich vs poor thing. Poor people in Utah no matter the race gets treated badly. Also a lot of Utah has corrupt people. Mormon disguised demons. It's hard to explain.
@@nunyuh111 I have lived in Provo Orem for the last 7 years and I agree with you but racism is also real here. I had much better interactions with neighbors in Provo than when I got married and moved to Orem. All our neighbors rn are plain rude. They won’t even open doors to me/us and we have tried at least 20 times in 2 years.
What I feel is sad for this man. His first thought was what did we do? Instead of being angry knowing that they had not done anything . Of course his father had not done anything. He should have been angry like every other American would have been. But black people don't have the luxury to process anger let alone display it.
I’m black and my girlfriend is white and I went to Utah to ask her father marry her and I personally didn’t run into any issues or noticed anything because nobody there would ever say anything to my face, but my girl really got it from people she knew her whole life. Now we will probably never go back because she broke off pretty much all of her relationships with people there she even lost family members because of my skin color.
@@kell-yh4ec you wouldn’t have any issues because nobody there has the balls to say anything to anybody’s face. They’re all pretty much private and keep their prejudice to themselves. If you can get over shitty looks it’s easy. Religion and how religious that state is made that whole state into softies three Texans could take over that whole state if we really wanted to.
@@kell-yh4ec well, if you’re dark-skinned, and join up with Latter Day Saints, they’ll welcome you, but if you can actually find someone in the church, you’ll be lucky, if at all. They’re too polite to say anything to ur face, but ull have issues trying to build long term relationships there.
My parents were such good people! If all members of the church were like them there wouldn’t be a reason for bad feelings. One of my moms dearest friends was black, this was before African Americans could hold the priesthood. My folks were extremely kind. And sincere! I apologize for anyone that has been ugly!!
Cool story dude, but your little blanket apology means literally nothing. Just live a better life. Call out your peers on the things they do. Stand up against a racist church. Don't get on here and apologize randomly, you've done nothing.
@@jisezer But, you’ve taken upon yourself to criticize someone who openly feels bad about it and wants to do better. That’s not ok with you? Maybe you need to do better.
My family lived in Draper, Utah from 2016-2021 and it was an amazing experience! It was family-oriented and I met some of the nicest people. I know everyone’s experience will be different, but being in Utah restored my faith in people.
I’ma ex-Mo, my Momma is white, and me & my sister are mixed, African American. They wanted us to be baptized, after indoctrination as girls. What the Elders said before our baptism was “when you marry a White man, all is well: he can be an Elder like us, but if you marry a Black man, he can hold no power”. I shook my 11-year old head and replied “ that’s not fair! How can God say one Man is worthwhile, and the other is not?!” ( of course, I really said something like, “that makes absolutely no sense “) His reply was “Black people have tails”.
@mylamberfeeties875 They'd say you're part of a cursed people from their scripture that has the chance to become white. They had a whole program to take Native American children and place them with white families in hopes of converting them to their religion, and their race.
@@chlyri weird because I have read the holy Bible and God makes no distinction about the gentiles. Which I am assuming I would be in with that category. My tribe integrated with pale skins much later because we are in a isolated area and we're peaceable. It's almost like this group believes that another God created humans as well. 🤷♀️
It’s weird how varying racial experiences are in Utah. I grew up with a black uncle, two black cousins and mostly had a lot of minority friends. I never heard the N word until close to high school and that was from my black friends and wasn’t until almost college that I heard a white person say it. The most racism I saw was older people towards Mexicans.
As well as the rest of society always and forever. Racism is literally what is tearing apart society today. Do you ever stop and think is this good or is it furthering the progression of humanity? Does it help assimilate different cultures and races? Has it helped? Morgan Freeman once said “ just stop talking about it”. I liked that. However why would the early days of the church be different?
@@brandonaeiou "just stop talking about it" is how racists get away with it. You further the progression of humanity by standing up to racism. By shining a light on the problem. Not by denying its existence. As for why the early church would be any different, it depends. If you accept that the church is true, then of course it should have been different. If the church has a living prophet that receives revelation from God; if He would never let his prophet lead His church astray; if we are all children of God made in His image; if we are sent to Earth to learn to live by faith; if He loves us & wants us all to return to live with Him; and if returning to live with Him is predicated on adherence to all the precepts of the church, including receiving temple endowments, getting married in the temple, and men receiving the priesthood - then the church from day one should have commanded its members to respect and accept black people as equals. A loving God would not accept discrimination. Living by faith would be rejecting the racism of the world, rather than embracing it. Denying the priesthood & temple endowments is literally denying access to Heaven. The ONLY conclusion that makes sense is that the church is bullshit. Of course, if the church isn't true, then of course it wouldn't be any different.
@@cryofpaine “just stop talking about it” was said by Morgan Freeman who is black, not me. Over the last 5-10 years racial divisions have been destroyed almost beyond repair over what happened 50-200 years ago or more. NOT what is actually happening today. Races get along great in America and were continuing to improve. You see all races marrying one another and hanging out together. It is a beautiful thing. For sure stand up to racism tho. I believe whole heartedly every person needs to stand up to any type of bigotry. Just can’t fight hate w hate, has to be love. I just don’t think we are talking about something that occurs as often as the media or political figures suggest. I think white ppl love and respect black ppl by enlarge. How racist is that? I talk to white ppl all the time and hear nothing but love for blacks. I don’t see it. Of course other places can be worse and I don’t see what’s going on in the south or wherever. I get things could improve in certain locations. Also I was commenting on the comment and not this man’s story. What happened to him was prejudice towards he and his father. I hope it happens less now than 30 years ago and would assume it happens less. Remember what happened at BYU? In the volleyball game several months ago. Completely fabricated story by the player and aunt who is extremely hateful towards whites. That was brushed over quickly as it should. BYU received a lot of hate and pretty much zero apologies. We just need to move on and love and accept. It does nothing when ppl have issues and don’t lovingly resolve them. Also, the reel and story about food for less has ZERO to do w the church. Random ppl at a food store in Provo is not the church and should not be on a anti Mormon podcast. Plenty of black ppl and other minorities that love the gospel. We ALL gods children. I believe that w every fiber of my soul. I absolutely want what is best for my African American brothers. I will be the first to step in on any sort of bigotry towards them where I can. As for the early days of the church. Brigham Young was a racist and was wrong. As well as every other person back in the day. You cannot know the truth unless you ask god. God will nothave stopped BY or any one for that matter. That’s why slavery happened. Because God allowed it and did not stop evil and command we do good instead. Never will God stop ppl doing wrong. They have to choose themselves and if you look back in history anywhere, there were many improvements. My point is, say that the church is true and God is at the head of it. You know how He works from history. Do you think God was going to tell Joseph Smith or BY everything to do right? We all have to learn and ask for ourselves. That is the gospel. Nothing but the best for you tho. I mean that sincerely. 🙏💙✌️❤️
@@brandonaeiou and Morgan Freeman is wrong. You can be black and still be wrong. And race relations have "gotten worse" in recent years because racists can't stand that a black man was president, so they elected a racist to replace him. And the reality is that the problem isn't worse. The problem is just now in the light of day instead of festering under the surface where we don't talk about it. Because a racist being elected to the highest office in the US was validation for other racists to be open. "Brigham Young was a racist." Then why did God make him a prophet? Why did God allow him and over 100 years of prophets to lead the church astray? When it is EXPLICITLY stated that God would NEVER let that happen? "The Lord will never permit me or any other man who stands as President of this Church to lead you astray. It is not in the programme. It is not in the mind of God. If I were to attempt that, the Lord would remove me out of my place, and so He will any other man who attempts to lead the children of men astray from the oracles of God and from their duty” Official Declaration 1, “Excerpts from Three Addresses by President Wilford Woodruff Regarding the Manifesto” “You keep your eye upon him whom the Lord called, and I say to you now, knowing that I stand in this position, you don’t need to worry about the President of the Church ever leading people astray, because the Lord would remove him out of his place before He would ever allow that to happen” (The Teachings of Harold B. Lee, ed. Clyde J. Williams [1996], 533). So, either God is ok with racism, God is a liar, or the church isn't true.
@@brandonaeiou yes, a black man was elected. And then a racist was elected because all the racists got pissed that a black man was elected. And "I have a friend who's black" is not a cover for racism. Just because a few rich black people support Trump doesn't mean he's not a racist. There are plenty of accounts by people who know him well or have worked closely with him which support him being racist. And the judgement of anyone who thinks he was a great businessman and president is as invalid as the judgement of someone who believes the world is flat or the moon is made of cheese. He was objectively neither of those. HIS businesses were all failures. His entire career has been coasting on the coattails of those who came before - his father, Obama. As for the church, you either believe that the church is true, in which case the teachings of the prophets are from God, in which case God is either a racist or a liar; or you don't. Because by the church's teachings, there is a significant contradiction.
My girlfriend is black, im white. Weve been together 7 years. I grew up poor outside of the white neighborhoods. Most of my friends are hispanic so i saw racism everywhere growing up. My parents always taught me how wrong it is. My parents are older. Im 26, my dad is 75 and my mom is 65. They grew up in the deep south during the Civil rights movement. And understand very well how damaging racism is and how deeply rooted it is in the countries history. They were great teachers. Anyway, my girlfriend and i get looks everywhere. People constantly ask us if we're together when its obvious we are on a date. They call her hair "exotic" or use some other weird words. Ive been asked how ill feel being a dad of mixed kids. Like how does any of that matter. Its annoying it doesnt make sense. All races are equal and we're all human. I just dont fucking get it and it makes me mad when someone looks at the love of my life like shes less than them. Its rough man, and its even worse when i know how it makes her feel.
Is Utah a place for other than caucasian? I've been through Utah and kept going, stopped only for gas. Never looked back or even sideways. And don't tell me we're all Americans.
My ancestors survived the Ice Age, but even with my pale, porcelain skin, I feel like an aüslander in Texas, Utah, North Carolina, rural Illinois , Missouri, Iowa, and a long list of other states in our continent. Outlanders are not welcome ANYwhere in an already organized tribe. How can so many people not have that important street smart already?!
I grew up in Utah, my Grandfather told us that when he bought his first house on Jeremy Street in Salt Lake City, his so called good Mormon Neighbors started a Pentition to kick him out of the neighborhood. They also told him not to Join there church, they didn't want him to dirty it up.
When I went to a park with my brother, he had a black friend. A WHITE AS PAPER KAREN CAME UP TO US AND SAID "you can't be playing with a monkey silly!" I swear... he still played with him though.
Once stopped in the shop and they say come with us YOU RING THE POLICE YOURSELF then refused to go with them they can plant something in with your shopping
I lived in the 14th ward in Salt Lake City (which is now located in the fancy skyscraper next to the Harmons on state street) and the senior missionaries were shamelessly racist towards me. One night my wife and I had come home from the gym at around 10:30 pm and since we were still new to the area, we didn’t know where to park, so I approached them and the guy’s wife clenched her purse and he became aggressive towards me. I asked if the parking spots were free for all, and he said “I don’t have any money, no dinero amigo, no dinero” and then I asked again and he said “I don’t live here, no dinero sorry”. That’s one of many experiences of racism I had in Utah
I went to college in Utah. I so intoxicated on my recruiting trip I didn’t really grasp what Utah was like till I showed up for spring practice. Culture Shock is all I can say. It wasn’t a bad place but a joke amongst the out-of-staters was: who would remain in Utah after graduation. Very beautiful state but I will never go back there.
I never experienced prejudice and discrimination until I moved to Utah as a teenager - after living here 40+ years I can tell you that if you're not Mormon they consider you so beneath them that anything they do to you - theft, fraud, job discrimination, injustice of any kind, etc. is not a sin in their eyes - because it was perpetrated on a non-member so its OK- and when the judges, lawyers, and cops are all Mormon - good luck finding justice. My 3 boys could not be in boy scouts because they weren't Mormon - my mom couldn't join the art guild because she was not Mormon- we had 3 men from their church try to bully my family from moving into our home because we were the first non-mormon family here and they wanted this area to remain exclusively Mormon - ya, I could tell you stories that would leave you shaking your heads...
I'm 60 and remember very well how sickening it was when young. Always told to date within my race by church leaders. Told I look bad over my friends who were black men. I used to walk as friends arm in arm and were go skating. It got nasty
It's weird when black women and men have no bass in their voices or tone ... it's like natural for us so I think it's trained out purposefully and I hate it 😔
I drove through Utah on a cross country trip with my (then) 10 month old and his mother. Stopped in salt lake for lunch, gas etc... No exaggeration, we ran across some of the nicest people I've ever run across.
And? Why is it that you felt the need to say that on a story about someone sharing their negative experience? “Yeah, I know your ex was super mean and racist, but he was fantastic the one time I met him.” Do you see how silly that is?
True racism, I know firsthand. My experience was back in 2004. My family and I were stared at, pointed at, and laughed at. We were out at the mall and had been in town for just 2 days. We decided to take a trip downtown and to take the bus back after eating and shopping. While outside waiting, we could see traffic was really heavy, so a lot of the cars were almost at a standstill. There was a family stuck in the traffic. I noticed them because I could see the young lady in the backseat staring and tapping someone else in the car to look over at us . Well then everyone in the car started to look point and the young adults in back stared laughing. Because traffic was barely moving, this treatment went on for about five plus minutes. I was so upset my kids were very young. My husband and I pulled our kids in closer to us. We were not sure if we were actually in a safe place anymore. Sad to say, this was not the last time it was just the first of many throughout our stay.
I notice that in several youtube channels I watch that there are no black people at all in the neighbourhoods, schools, malls or anywhere. None of the families have black friends and I was going to ask them if black people live in their area because I never see any. It could just be a coincident, because I would hate to think otherwise.
He’s telling the truth I visited once and literally don’t eveeerrrrr want to go bck… only blacks I saw were the ppl w our group n we went some of everywhere for a week
Me and my husband are brown in Utah. We went to Target to shop for Xmas and had a pack of employees follow us down every aisle we went. When we were certain what was happening, we left. And yes I made a scene at customer service on the way out.
My brother was in that situation once here in Germany. He told them to call the cops and if it turns out that he’s innocent he’ll file a report. Of course they let him walk away.
Regardless of color I always tell my son to take his hands out his pockets when we're in a store because I don't want someone thinking he stole something (my son has a habit of liking his hands in his pockets also)
Life is so unfair. I mean people are unfair. I’m a kind gentle Granny who is loving also. I’ve been told by in laws that I’m evil and even by people who are related. I’ve been told I’m rude because I was cooking ahead of time. What I’m saying is it’s hard to please. So I’m not gonna try. I’m just gonna please myself from now on. 😢
I went down as a person of color to the Walmart in Provo or it was actually Sandy, a month after September 11th...I got legitimately stared at and it was very uncomfortable... Mexican guy was in there and he was very uncomfortable and we ended up shopping together
This health conscious father and his son are a menace! The aggression in his voice literally makes me want to relax in a hammock. All jokes aside tho, this is all very off putting and common in these “communities”. This man seems like one of the most easy going dudes I’ve ever seen, and it’s sad that he has to endure this behavior from ppl who are supposed to “know better”. It seems like this gentleman here should be the one leading, and others following. Stay strong brother, sending love and strength your way. Love you 💪
@slim9978 ....LOL...The Africans and Caribbeans are not a Factor here, FBA's are still on their own, we got this. A lot of Africans and Caribbeans to hear them tell it Are not even "Black". It was FBA's who fought for equal rights in America.....Immigrants benefit off of the fighting we did.
I'm from Provo, lived there for 4 years as a white liberal woman and I fuckin left because I witnessed the most disgusting things. I'm ex-mormon and was harassed daily. I'm so sorry you had to go through this.
I just retired and moved up here for an extended vacation. I can tell you without a doubt i know there is a problem with racism up here. Im leaving. I can find a much nicer place to retire.
Keep in mind, missionaries are sent all over the world. You tend to love those you serve. So that's love for so many cultures. Then there are people who are sheltered their whole lives. Orem is called "Happy Valley" for a reason. 😂 That being said, I've never seen blatant racism. It's likely more fear of the unknown rather than harsh racism that involves violence and hatred. It's not acceptable in any form. I hope people open their hearts and minds better and give people second and third chances. That's a real problem in social media these days.
Yep that's funny I'm from provo and I remember the food 4 less near shopko and movies 8 old school provo ha. And yes utah is very racist especially with blacks they hate Latinos too but just co exist with use especially in construction. Bieng pulled over for nothing, and bieng followed around stores is a norm, the further south u go the more racist it becomes sad really, it's how they were taught a superior ego.
The first experience I had going into Utah was ppl whispering at resturaunt and people yelling n lover out window I was in SHOCK this wasn't the type of lds I was raised in. My kids have ptsd from racist physical attacks
Obviously if his father moved to Utah as a black man and chose to take his family through this racist drama, perhaps he sought the experience. Shopping while black. Wow
@@debiw149 No one does anything on purpose but the fact that Utah is 93% white, and known as a white supremacists and mormon Heaven, you must question what made the father put his family through this predicament in the first place. Don't shoot the messenger, look at the black father who chose to move in an area of the United States where there are not many black people, black schools or colleges, black businesses, or black churches. It doesn't add up that's all. No harm was meant here!!!!!
I remember going in to a metro phone store I am black one other customer was white and the phone guy was white I was in he line before the white customer came in he jumped in front of me and started talking to the phone rep.guy ignoring me being there the phone rep. guy yelled at him and said excused me sir the lady is before u the guy looked at him as if to say really he looked at him and said. Yes
Love in Utah. Tbh I don't judge anyone who walks into the store I work at. Unless you scream like a crackhead then you finna get yourself to get out really quickly. That's about it for me honestly.
I'm white and I'm the exact same type of experience but I took it as if the guy was just doing his job it was a small inconvenience and I went right back to shopping
No that's not reasonable since most normal people don't want to shop at a place th accuses them of stealing for simply having their hands in the pockets. Nowadays with camera technology you should have reasonable articulation of suspicion that you saw someone actually taking something over that person just "looks" suspicious because they had their hands on their pockets. Also at a grocery store we're not talking high value items especially something that can fit into your pockets. But that just me ....
Up until hurricane Katrina there was less than 1 black person per 1000 people in Utah. They just don't know not racist more ignorant. I mean sure some are racist but it's the minor minor monr minority. There's racists in every culture tho.
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Utah, Wyoming ,South,North Dakota,IOWA are some states Black People should not expect a welcome wagon.
@erichayes451 Why do you think we want a welcome wagon, how about a leave me alone wagon. That will work.
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I’m a white male. Racism is still a problem. Early in my career, as a supervisor I had to choose someone from my crew to be in charge while I had to be somewhere else. I chose the most qualified person. He happened to be black and from Central American. Later I was approached by 5 white southerners/workers. They informed me that they could not take commands from “him”. I grew up with no racism, ( I am white and my parents are good people). I immediately recognized the racism. I was pissed. I “reminded” them that their new supervisor was twice the man that they would ever be and to STFU and do what he says. This was 30 years ago. I still remember it. People are people. The color of our skin does not matter.
Thank You!!!
You did well, that's the change that we need
Impossible to grow up with no racism. Its built into the fabric of the country. Pretty sure those people who approched to expressed they couldnt take orders from him will tell you they have good parents and arent racist. Being a racist isnt a bad word...it just what people are...
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Thank you
When I was growing up people would intentionally tell their kids not to play with us. Not because we were black, because we weren't Mormon. 🤨
The same is with the Hassid, no difference.
Yeah, that happens a lot. If you were Mormon, then your skin color may have had you treated like a charity project if you weren't shunned.
No, it's because you were black. They hate black people.
lol
As much as they think that they are so pure and white as snow, their hearts are as dark as their stinking Graves. Even if they pretend to be human. Behind their white masks are pure skeletons.
I grew up in Southern Idaho just north of Utah. I can say as I grew up that there was absolutely no Black people around me in schools, community, church nothing. It was a highly mormonized community. I was not a Mormon and could clearly seeThe racist game they were playing.
You literally sound so ignorant. There is countries in the world where there are no white People does that make them racist? The reason why Utah/ idaho is mostly white is because of the oppression the faced in the east, what did you think? There is no black people because they’re racist and don’t allow them in those states or what? You don’t make any sense
It's funny that seeing whitx Christians groups is all of a sudden r*cist. I dont see anyone else besides mexican people in my Catholic church, so does that make us r*cist as well , or this doesn't fit your narrative?
What town in idaho? And go into more detail about the games
Give example
The Northwestern part of America is a white peoples Wakanda
God that’s so grim. One thing I will never understand as a white man is that feeling when your black experiencing discrimination. It must be such a sickening thing
That you even think this thought is light years away from many who just refuse to believe if it doesn't happen to them then it CAN'T exist
It hurts because you dedicate your life to being excellent and amiable, practicing tolerance and the golden rule. You do all that and still get met with the hate that this country was built on. Not to mention gaslighting.
are you still crying?
You must have minus testosterone levels
It’s worse when people try to tell you that it can’t be that bad I don’t have it happen that often but it sometimes does and it’s not a good feeling at all but in my opinion as a 43 year old black man is that everybody gets a little bit of it because every group have people with a problem honestly.
4 years old in grocery store in KS . . . police arrested a woman with a hand counter for theft because she put her hand in her pocket. Dad and siblings are dark. Took us home and ran drills on how to not put our hands in pockets AND drills on how to let police search your bags. (Hint: turn bag upside down and shake. Keeps them from planting something in the bag when they reach into it.)
If you didn't do anything, have them call the police, to get a report number.
Later, get the report, and go to a lawyer and sue the store.
Police involvement will often make things worse, even if u did nothing wrong.
If you haven't lived in Utah your whole life, or if you have lived in either Orem or Ogden, then you won't get it.
It has nothing to do with color. We're a Mormon state. If you're doing something wrong, or even look like you are, you're a suspect.
Dude, my cousin worked at a Smith's as a security guard and my own aunt assumed I was stealing.
I lived in a 2 bedroom house with 7 people at the time and she didn't. She hated my mom because she was "white trash". Went and told the whole family I was a thief.
So no it's not a race thing. Just a rich vs poor thing.
Poor people in Utah no matter the race gets treated badly.
Also a lot of Utah has corrupt people. Mormon disguised demons.
It's hard to explain.
George Floyd waited for the police....
@@nunyuh111 I have lived in Provo Orem for the last 7 years and I agree with you but racism is also real here. I had much better interactions with neighbors in Provo than when I got married and moved to Orem. All our neighbors rn are plain rude. They won’t even open doors to me/us and we have tried at least 20 times in 2 years.
@@t.bruceford4098 while on drugs.
Winter snow storm 1979 I could not get any motel to rent us a room while driving cross country in a car with no heat.
bloody hell! that is unfair!
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Besides we were on our honeymoon. 43 yrs later the wife never forgive me and she hates the snow n cold weather
I’m so sorry you had to experience such hatred in a land that belongs to us all. 😢
I'm SO sorry! God bless you!
@@brontesegard8305 Thank you. YOU 2 we have been blessed by God for sure.
What I feel is sad for this man. His first thought was what did we do? Instead of being angry knowing that they had not done anything . Of course his father had not done anything. He should have been angry like every other American would have been. But black people don't have the luxury to process anger let alone display it.
I’m black and my girlfriend is white and I went to Utah to ask her father marry her and I personally didn’t run into any issues or noticed anything because nobody there would ever say anything to my face, but my girl really got it from people she knew her whole life. Now we will probably never go back because she broke off pretty much all of her relationships with people there she even lost family members because of my skin color.
I am black. I was thinking about moving here. I am a petite young woman do you think they would give me any issues?
@@kell-yh4ec you wouldn’t have any issues because nobody there has the balls to say anything to anybody’s face. They’re all pretty much private and keep their prejudice to themselves. If you can get over shitty looks it’s easy. Religion and how religious that state is made that whole state into softies three Texans could take over that whole state if we really wanted to.
@@kell-yh4ecDon't go there
Good luck on your interracial relationship still she lost her family members because of this.
@@kell-yh4ec well, if you’re dark-skinned, and join up with Latter Day Saints, they’ll welcome you, but if you can actually find someone in the church, you’ll be lucky, if at all. They’re too polite to say anything to ur face, but ull have issues trying to build long term relationships there.
My parents were such good people! If all members of the church were like them there wouldn’t be a reason for bad feelings. One of my moms dearest friends was black, this was before African Americans could hold the priesthood. My folks were extremely kind. And sincere! I apologize for anyone that has been ugly!!
Cool story dude, but your little blanket apology means literally nothing. Just live a better life. Call out your peers on the things they do. Stand up against a racist church. Don't get on here and apologize randomly, you've done nothing.
@@jisezer
But, you’ve taken upon yourself to criticize someone who openly feels bad about it and wants to do better.
That’s not ok with you?
Maybe you need to do better.
You can't and shouldn't apologize for others..Your sentiments are more than enough❤
I hear all kinds of stories like this.
I'm so sad everytime I hear different races be treated "less than".
I’m sorry you had to go through this.
My family lived in Draper, Utah from 2016-2021 and it was an amazing experience! It was family-oriented and I met some of the nicest people. I know everyone’s experience will be different, but being in Utah restored my faith in people.
i agree. Utah was unforgettable
Just disgusting 🤢 behavior to be treated like this.
I was profiled horribly in Utah
There are so many links in description but not the link to the full episode?
Here is Spencer's full story: ua-cam.com/video/DxPi5SqRwTE/v-deo.html
@@mormonstories thank you!! 🙏🏻
It's ACTUALLY episode 2
I’ma ex-Mo, my Momma is white, and me & my sister are mixed, African American. They wanted us to be baptized, after indoctrination as girls.
What the Elders said before our baptism was “when you marry a White man, all is well: he can be an Elder like us, but if you marry a Black man, he can hold no power”. I shook my 11-year old head and replied “ that’s not fair! How can God say one Man is worthwhile, and the other is not?!” ( of course, I really said something like, “that makes absolutely no sense “)
His reply was “Black people have tails”.
What the Hell!???
Lol. I’ve actually heard black people say that about white people. My response was the same. Racism is just getting worse I think.
😳 I never met these group of people. But I am native American and wondering what he says about my people. I live way up high in the mountains ⛰
@mylamberfeeties875 They'd say you're part of a cursed people from their scripture that has the chance to become white. They had a whole program to take Native American children and place them with white families in hopes of converting them to their religion, and their race.
@@chlyri weird because I have read the holy Bible and God makes no distinction about the gentiles. Which I am assuming I would be in with that category. My tribe integrated with pale skins much later because we are in a isolated area and we're peaceable. It's almost like this group believes that another God created humans as well. 🤷♀️
It's a crime to be black in Utah County.
I'm white and grew up here, I'm 45, and I don't even like going to Utah County. Strange place. Strange people.
Yes it is. I left Provo after witnessing a white cashier tell a black woman to "get out of her line before she called the cops"🤦🏼♀️
They love they black jazz basketball players tho
What a Rascist statement.
@walkingdad506 Not really, just facts.
It’s weird how varying racial experiences are in Utah. I grew up with a black uncle, two black cousins and mostly had a lot of minority friends. I never heard the N word until close to high school and that was from my black friends and wasn’t until almost college that I heard a white person say it. The most racism I saw was older people towards Mexicans.
Of course they are racists. It's in their doctrine.
As well as the rest of society always and forever. Racism is literally what is tearing apart society today. Do you ever stop and think is this good or is it furthering the progression of humanity? Does it help assimilate different cultures and races? Has it helped? Morgan Freeman once said “ just stop talking about it”. I liked that. However why would the early days of the church be different?
@@brandonaeiou "just stop talking about it" is how racists get away with it. You further the progression of humanity by standing up to racism. By shining a light on the problem. Not by denying its existence.
As for why the early church would be any different, it depends. If you accept that the church is true, then of course it should have been different. If the church has a living prophet that receives revelation from God; if He would never let his prophet lead His church astray; if we are all children of God made in His image; if we are sent to Earth to learn to live by faith; if He loves us & wants us all to return to live with Him; and if returning to live with Him is predicated on adherence to all the precepts of the church, including receiving temple endowments, getting married in the temple, and men receiving the priesthood - then the church from day one should have commanded its members to respect and accept black people as equals. A loving God would not accept discrimination. Living by faith would be rejecting the racism of the world, rather than embracing it. Denying the priesthood & temple endowments is literally denying access to Heaven. The ONLY conclusion that makes sense is that the church is bullshit.
Of course, if the church isn't true, then of course it wouldn't be any different.
@@cryofpaine “just stop talking about it” was said by Morgan Freeman who is black, not me. Over the last 5-10 years racial divisions have been destroyed almost beyond repair over what happened 50-200 years ago or more. NOT what is actually happening today. Races get along great in America and were continuing to improve. You see all races marrying one another and hanging out together. It is a beautiful thing. For sure stand up to racism tho. I believe whole heartedly every person needs to stand up to any type of bigotry. Just can’t fight hate w hate, has to be love. I just don’t think we are talking about something that occurs as often as the media or political figures suggest. I think white ppl love and respect black ppl by enlarge. How racist is that? I talk to white ppl all the time and hear nothing but love for blacks. I don’t see it. Of course other places can be worse and I don’t see what’s going on in the south or wherever. I get things could improve in certain locations. Also I was commenting on the comment and not this man’s story. What happened to him was prejudice towards he and his father. I hope it happens less now than 30 years ago and would assume it happens less. Remember what happened at BYU? In the volleyball game several months ago. Completely fabricated story by the player and aunt who is extremely hateful towards whites. That was brushed over quickly as it should. BYU received a lot of hate and pretty much zero apologies. We just need to move on and love and accept. It does nothing when ppl have issues and don’t lovingly resolve them. Also, the reel and story about food for less has ZERO to do w the church. Random ppl at a food store in Provo is not the church and should not be on a anti Mormon podcast. Plenty of black ppl and other minorities that love the gospel. We ALL gods children. I believe that w every fiber of my soul. I absolutely want what is best for my African American brothers. I will be the first to step in on any sort of bigotry towards them where I can. As for the early days of the church. Brigham Young was a racist and was wrong. As well as every other person back in the day. You cannot know the truth unless you ask god. God will nothave stopped BY or any one for that matter. That’s why slavery happened. Because God allowed it and did not stop evil and command we do good instead. Never will God stop ppl doing wrong. They have to choose themselves and if you look back in history anywhere, there were many improvements. My point is, say that the church is true and God is at the head of it. You know how He works from history. Do you think God was going to tell Joseph Smith or BY everything to do right? We all have to learn and ask for ourselves. That is the gospel. Nothing but the best for you tho. I mean that sincerely. 🙏💙✌️❤️
@@brandonaeiou and Morgan Freeman is wrong. You can be black and still be wrong.
And race relations have "gotten worse" in recent years because racists can't stand that a black man was president, so they elected a racist to replace him. And the reality is that the problem isn't worse. The problem is just now in the light of day instead of festering under the surface where we don't talk about it. Because a racist being elected to the highest office in the US was validation for other racists to be open.
"Brigham Young was a racist." Then why did God make him a prophet? Why did God allow him and over 100 years of prophets to lead the church astray? When it is EXPLICITLY stated that God would NEVER let that happen?
"The Lord will never permit me or any other man who stands as President of this Church to lead you astray. It is not in the programme. It is not in the mind of God. If I were to attempt that, the Lord would remove me out of my place, and so He will any other man who attempts to lead the children of men astray from the oracles of God and from their duty”
Official Declaration 1, “Excerpts from Three Addresses by President Wilford Woodruff Regarding the Manifesto”
“You keep your eye upon him whom the Lord called, and I say to you now, knowing that I stand in this position, you don’t need to worry about the President of the Church ever leading people astray, because the Lord would remove him out of his place before He would ever allow that to happen” (The Teachings of Harold B. Lee, ed. Clyde J. Williams [1996], 533).
So, either God is ok with racism, God is a liar, or the church isn't true.
@@brandonaeiou yes, a black man was elected. And then a racist was elected because all the racists got pissed that a black man was elected. And "I have a friend who's black" is not a cover for racism. Just because a few rich black people support Trump doesn't mean he's not a racist. There are plenty of accounts by people who know him well or have worked closely with him which support him being racist. And the judgement of anyone who thinks he was a great businessman and president is as invalid as the judgement of someone who believes the world is flat or the moon is made of cheese. He was objectively neither of those. HIS businesses were all failures. His entire career has been coasting on the coattails of those who came before - his father, Obama.
As for the church, you either believe that the church is true, in which case the teachings of the prophets are from God, in which case God is either a racist or a liar; or you don't. Because by the church's teachings, there is a significant contradiction.
My girlfriend is black, im white. Weve been together 7 years. I grew up poor outside of the white neighborhoods. Most of my friends are hispanic so i saw racism everywhere growing up. My parents always taught me how wrong it is. My parents are older. Im 26, my dad is 75 and my mom is 65. They grew up in the deep south during the Civil rights movement. And understand very well how damaging racism is and how deeply rooted it is in the countries history. They were great teachers. Anyway, my girlfriend and i get looks everywhere. People constantly ask us if we're together when its obvious we are on a date. They call her hair "exotic" or use some other weird words. Ive been asked how ill feel being a dad of mixed kids. Like how does any of that matter. Its annoying it doesnt make sense. All races are equal and we're all human. I just dont fucking get it and it makes me mad when someone looks at the love of my life like shes less than them. Its rough man, and its even worse when i know how it makes her feel.
Is Utah a place for other than caucasian? I've been through Utah and kept going, stopped only for gas. Never looked back or even sideways. And don't tell me we're all Americans.
My ancestors survived the Ice Age, but even with my pale, porcelain skin, I feel like an aüslander in Texas, Utah, North Carolina, rural Illinois , Missouri, Iowa, and a long list of other states in our continent. Outlanders are not welcome ANYwhere in an already organized tribe. How can so many people not have that important street smart already?!
I grew up in Utah, my Grandfather told us that when he bought his first house on Jeremy Street in Salt Lake City, his so called good Mormon Neighbors started a Pentition to kick him out of the neighborhood.
They also told him not to Join there church, they didn't want him to dirty it up.
Religion and racism often go hand in hand.
It appears ignorance and Steve do too
When I went to a park with my brother, he had a black friend. A WHITE AS PAPER KAREN CAME UP TO US AND SAID "you can't be playing with a monkey silly!" I swear... he still played with him though.
Once stopped in the shop and they say come with us YOU RING THE POLICE YOURSELF then refused to go with them they can plant something in with your shopping
I lived in the 14th ward in Salt Lake City (which is now located in the fancy skyscraper next to the Harmons on state street) and the senior missionaries were shamelessly racist towards me. One night my wife and I had come home from the gym at around 10:30 pm and since we were still new to the area, we didn’t know where to park, so I approached them and the guy’s wife clenched her purse and he became aggressive towards me. I asked if the parking spots were free for all, and he said “I don’t have any money, no dinero amigo, no dinero” and then I asked again and he said “I don’t live here, no dinero sorry”. That’s one of many experiences of racism I had in Utah
thank u.u 4 your truth
Racial profiling at its worst. So sad.....sorry to hear of this.
I went to college in Utah. I so intoxicated on my recruiting trip I didn’t really grasp what Utah was like till I showed up for spring practice. Culture Shock is all I can say. It wasn’t a bad place but a joke amongst the out-of-staters was: who would remain in Utah after graduation. Very beautiful state but I will never go back there.
So f ing unacceptable. I'm sorry they were treated like that.
I never experienced prejudice and discrimination until I moved to Utah as a teenager - after living here 40+ years I can tell you that if you're not Mormon they consider you so beneath them that anything they do to you - theft, fraud, job discrimination, injustice of any kind, etc. is not a sin in their eyes - because it was perpetrated on a non-member so its OK- and when the judges, lawyers, and cops are all Mormon - good luck finding justice. My 3 boys could not be in boy scouts because they weren't Mormon - my mom couldn't join the art guild because she was not Mormon- we had 3 men from their church try to bully my family from moving into our home because we were the first non-mormon family here and they wanted this area to remain exclusively Mormon - ya, I could tell you stories that would leave you shaking your heads...
As soon as he said Orem I believe everything he said 😂
I just moved to Utah about two years ago. I don’t see very many black people. Hearing this makes me sad we all can’t co exist the way God made us.
How do I get to the episode
Here is his story: ua-cam.com/video/DxPi5SqRwTE/v-deo.html
A religion big in Utah had lots of anti-Black teachings too. This is so horrible to constantly be criminalized for having melanin.
I'm 60 and remember very well how sickening it was when young. Always told to date within my race by church leaders. Told I look bad over my friends who were black men. I used to walk as friends arm in arm and were go skating. It got nasty
I just turned 60 grew up in tooele I took off at 18 never ever went back to utah just cant you know why
It's weird when black women and men have no bass in their voices or tone ... it's like natural for us so I think it's trained out purposefully and I hate it 😔
not everyone has a deep voice man
That’s everywhere, not just Utah. That’s AZ, GA and Mo to name a few in recent experience.
I drove through Utah on a cross country trip with my (then) 10 month old and his mother. Stopped in salt lake for lunch, gas etc...
No exaggeration, we ran across some of the nicest people I've ever run across.
And? Why is it that you felt the need to say that on a story about someone sharing their negative experience? “Yeah, I know your ex was super mean and racist, but he was fantastic the one time I met him.” Do you see how silly that is?
He failed to mention his wife is white@@Josie-6
And whats so crazy is the Mormans stole the history of the Black A Moors.
Preeeeaaaaach
True racism, I know firsthand. My experience was back in 2004. My family and I were stared at, pointed at, and laughed at. We were out at the mall and had been in town for just 2 days. We decided to take a trip downtown and to take the bus back after eating and shopping. While outside waiting, we could see traffic was really heavy, so a lot of the cars were almost at a standstill. There was a family stuck in the traffic. I noticed them because I could see the young lady in the backseat staring and tapping someone else in the car to look over at us . Well then everyone in the car started to look point and the young adults in back stared laughing. Because traffic was barely moving, this treatment went on for about five plus minutes. I was so upset my kids were very young. My husband and I pulled our kids in closer to us. We were not sure if we were actually in a safe place anymore. Sad to say, this was not the last time it was just the first of many throughout our stay.
I notice that in several youtube channels I watch that there are no black people at all in the neighbourhoods, schools, malls or anywhere. None of the families have black friends and I was going to ask them if black people live in their area because I never see any. It could just be a coincident, because I would hate to think otherwise.
He’s telling the truth I visited once and literally don’t eveeerrrrr want to go bck… only blacks I saw were the ppl w our group n we went some of everywhere for a week
I hate hearing this. I hate that this is America, STILL. It hurt people have to deal with this.
As a Utahn, I am so sorry this happened to you. And so sorry that they acted like that to you.
Me and my husband are brown in Utah. We went to Target to shop for Xmas and had a pack of employees follow us down every aisle we went. When we were certain what was happening, we left. And yes I made a scene at customer service on the way out.
My brother was in that situation once here in Germany. He told them to call the cops and if it turns out that he’s innocent he’ll file a report. Of course they let him walk away.
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I'm not going ANYWHERE with ANYONE at ANYTIME. Just so ya'll know for the RECORD. No Siree
What episode is this?
Here is his story: ua-cam.com/video/DxPi5SqRwTE/v-deo.html
@@mormonstories thank you, please consider putting the episode links and numbers in your shorts' descriptions in the future!
Scary Mormons
I'm from VA, 60 percent black. Same issues. Utah is not the problem. 1,5 percent black.
Disgusting and I am so sorry this happened.
Regardless of color I always tell my son to take his hands out his pockets when we're in a store because I don't want someone thinking he stole something (my son has a habit of liking his hands in his pockets also)
This is all over America not just Utah. Racism is so real but not every white person is like this. Still be careful.
Didn’t really want to like this but it’s a good thing to share.
Mormon Stories #1124 and #1125
Happens outside of Utah, too
Life is so unfair. I mean people are unfair. I’m a kind gentle Granny who is loving also. I’ve been told by in laws that I’m evil and even by people who are related. I’ve been told I’m rude because I was cooking ahead of time. What I’m saying is it’s hard to please. So I’m not gonna try. I’m just gonna please myself from now on. 😢
I went down as a person of color to the Walmart in Provo or it was actually Sandy, a month after September 11th...I got legitimately stared at and it was very uncomfortable...
Mexican guy was in there and he was very uncomfortable and we ended up shopping together
This health conscious father and his son are a menace! The aggression in his voice literally makes me want to relax in a hammock. All jokes aside tho, this is all very off putting and common in these “communities”. This man seems like one of the most easy going dudes I’ve ever seen, and it’s sad that he has to endure this behavior from ppl who are supposed to “know better”. It seems like this gentleman here should be the one leading, and others following. Stay strong brother, sending love and strength your way. Love you 💪
I missed the whole story. I couldn't stop staring at that long ass grey whisker thinking how'd I'd yank it out and ask wtf bro?
Lmfao
I wish we black people would get own own towns our own dr hospital and stuff but we as a race need therapy
We have done that in the past...many times. And "They" burn it down everytime
@@Sidewinder528 that's when black Americans where on their own now u have an influx of carribeans and Africans who I hope would step in
@slim9978 ....LOL...The Africans and Caribbeans are not a Factor here, FBA's are still on their own, we got this. A lot of Africans and Caribbeans to hear them tell it Are not even "Black". It was FBA's who fought for equal rights in America.....Immigrants benefit off of the fighting we did.
so segregation, you've come a long way .....😢
@@greensleevesdf6687 It's indoctrination. And it's a product of society in general and social media.
That’s so SAD.
Can you be posting full stories 😮
I'm from Provo, lived there for 4 years as a white liberal woman and I fuckin left because I witnessed the most disgusting things. I'm ex-mormon and was harassed daily. I'm so sorry you had to go through this.
I just retired and moved up here for an extended vacation. I can tell you without a doubt i know there is a problem with racism up here. Im leaving. I can find a much nicer place to retire.
This is the 'one' I've been waiting for. I knew there had to be 'one' in here.
How can someone be so naive in the 21st century?
If he didn't steal then nothing to worry about. I'm white and I've been accused of doing things I didn't do ..
I'm sorry for that bad experience.
What’s the end of the story???
Is this everywhere in Utah? Or is it just in Salt Lake City?
Keep in mind, missionaries are sent all over the world. You tend to love those you serve. So that's love for so many cultures.
Then there are people who are sheltered their whole lives. Orem is called "Happy Valley" for a reason. 😂
That being said, I've never seen blatant racism. It's likely more fear of the unknown rather than harsh racism that involves violence and hatred.
It's not acceptable in any form. I hope people open their hearts and minds better and give people second and third chances. That's a real problem in social media these days.
Soon as dude said is dad at his hand In his pocket the host of the show said mmmm lol
Yep that's funny I'm from provo and I remember the food 4 less near shopko and movies 8 old school provo ha. And yes utah is very racist especially with blacks they hate Latinos too but just co exist with use especially in construction. Bieng pulled over for nothing, and bieng followed around stores is a norm, the further south u go the more racist it becomes sad really, it's how they were taught a superior ego.
Facts
Shopping while black!!!
It is highly unlikely that someone who pays for their stuff was also shoplifting. Think about it.
Living in a Mormon community and not being Mormon is bad. Regardless of color
That was a bad move, never go in a backroom of a store. Tell them to c a ll the police.
So what's the rest of the story?
The first experience I had going into Utah was ppl whispering at resturaunt and people yelling n lover out window I was in SHOCK this wasn't the type of lds I was raised in. My kids have ptsd from racist physical attacks
Bro looks like Jon Jones
Were they trying to convert your family?
Obviously if his father moved to Utah as a black man and chose to take his family through this racist drama, perhaps he sought the experience.
Shopping while black. Wow
And who tf does that on purpose?
@@debiw149 No one does anything on purpose but the fact that Utah is 93% white, and known as a white supremacists and mormon Heaven, you must question what made the father put his family through this predicament in the first place.
Don't shoot the messenger, look at the black father who chose to move in an area of the United States where there are not many black people, black schools or colleges, black businesses, or black churches. It doesn't add up that's all. No harm was meant here!!!!!
I'm not surprised. Utah
I remember going in to a metro phone store I am black one other customer was white and the phone guy was white I was in he line before the white customer came in he jumped in front of me and started talking to the phone rep.guy ignoring me being there the phone rep. guy yelled at him and said excused me sir the lady is before u the guy looked at him as if to say really he looked at him and said. Yes
1Néfi 12:23 ❤👴🏿👍🏿
Love in Utah. Tbh I don't judge anyone who walks into the store I work at. Unless you scream like a crackhead then you finna get yourself to get out really quickly. That's about it for me honestly.
Had similar experience in Utah and I’m white.
I'm white and I'm the exact same type of experience but I took it as if the guy was just doing his job it was a small inconvenience and I went right back to shopping
No that's not reasonable since most normal people don't want to shop at a place th accuses them of stealing for simply having their hands in the pockets.
Nowadays with camera technology you should have reasonable articulation of suspicion that you saw someone actually taking something over that person just "looks" suspicious because they had their hands on their pockets.
Also at a grocery store we're not talking high value items especially something that can fit into your pockets. But that just me ....
That’s a damn shame
Happens to many people all over the world.
Up until hurricane Katrina there was less than 1 black person per 1000 people in Utah. They just don't know not racist more ignorant. I mean sure some are racist but it's the minor minor monr minority. There's racists in every culture tho.
Hand in pocket and fumbling sounds sus tbh
You must be mistaken. Candance Owens said this no longer happens. Send her your story.
Wheres the rest of the story what happened