Thanks for having me along for this one, dude! Could honestly watch and rewatch the Avatar movies forever; both of them are technically immaculate and there's so much craft to learn from them ❤
Avatar 2 is a film featuring a married couple who is supportive and encouraging to one another, and parents who are damn terrifying when protecting their kids. It features kids who extend forgiveness to flawed parents. It features a chilled-out second act that has no explosions or warfare for what feels like glorious hours of just hanging out in a cool place. The movie absolutely rules.
While I loved Way of Water the ending did have a flaw and im surprised you didnt mentioned it and its the fact that the water tribe just disappeared half way through the battle.
The climax scene where they bury the kid, & they show the flashback naming the kid exactly when his body disappears (Kid is lifted & called "Netayam") My heart was shattered it is such a powerful scene!
I wasn't the biggest fan of the first Avatar, it wasn't until I saw it in IMAX 3D where I fell in love with it. The Way of Water exceeded its predecessor in every aspect, it is a perfect sequel.
My only complaint after seeing TWOW was that all their allies disappear during that final fight. As good as that climax was, I was bothered by their sudden, unexplained(?) absence. Only seen it once so far though. Did I just miss something? Cameron is usually excellent at explaining/justifying everything going on in his movies, so this was unexpected.
Cameron decided to cut that part showing where the others were and what was going on there. The problem is that cutting back and forth interrupted the emotional momentum of the family’s story in the battle, so he cut everything that didn’t have anything to with the Sullys and focused solely on them as that’s where the heart of the film was and to keep the emotional integrity of the film’s momentum uninterrupted.
@@caikelm5766 He said he will at some point, but he's been busy with getting Avatar 3 ready for release in the next couple years. Now everything's on strike, so I'm not sure what the rules are for him and what he can do right now. Is he allowed to keep working on Avatar 3? All the shooting with the actors has been done for years as they shot Avatar 2, 3, and parts of 4 all in one go. Can he work on an extended cut now? Who knows, but there will be one in the future according to Cameron.
Man, I wished I could've gone to see this movie in IMAX more than once. Imo it's legit one of the greatest movies ever made, and the idea of watching it at home on my 32" monitor just feels wrong, so I haven't rewatched it yet. Either gonna wait for a re-release in theaters or until I get something like the Apple Vision Pro (for less than 1500).
I don't think I've ever seen the word scene stretched so far. The "scene" we're talking about is like half of the movie. I wasn't a huge fan of Avatar 2. The kids didn't get enough screen time individually for me to care all that much when one of them was killed, and the climax really, really overstayed its welcome, repeating plot points (the kids are captured like 4 times), and feeling completely removed from the conflict of the rest of the movie. It doesn't help that the emotional climax, with Neytiri threatening to kill Spider was built on her newfound racism towards humans, which I felt was contrived and a betrayal of her character in the original Avatar. I mean, the emotional climax of Avatar 1, in my opinion, wasn't the fight between army guy and Jake and then Neytiri, it was Neytiri seeing Jake's human body for the first time, and still loving and accepting him. And then in Avatar 2 she's like "humans shouldn't interact with Na'vi", as if she didn't marry a human.
I think why the ending sequence didn't work for me was that I was not attached to the child at all. He was just this uncanny character that didn't seem to matter, then he died and I just could not give a shit. Like the least important child was the one they killed? The least emotionally interesting one?
Maybe if it was an only son maaaaybe that could have beeing emotional, but no he had must to have 6 more siblings making his role more redundant than biggs from star wars.
The scene it’s sad because Jake lost his kid , we spend the first movie caring about Jake so it’s sad seeing him having his worst nightmare come true , it’s like Sarah’s death in the last of us, you really don’t know her at all, but it’s the impact it has on the character that makes it work ,
For me the impact isnt as much in seeing the character die, but empathizing with those who love them grieving and crying over it. Jake desperately trying to comfort his son in his last moments, knowing hes about to loose him forever. The anguish, followed by the snap into unbridled rage and hatred in naytiri. I can really feel the characters pain, and thats what makes it so powerful.
I remember first watching this and, as you put it, during the “chaos sections,” I cried out out loud, “SOMEBODY, HEEELP!!!” Or, at least it felt like I said it out loud😅
Neytiris's rampage is the scariest part of the movie for me, I was seriously scared for anyone coming across her, even her husband. When she lost her son, her firstborn, she wasn't Neytiri the caring mother, Neytiri the Na'Vi warrior, or even Jake's wive, anymore... She was a killer, on a mission, with nothing but rage, bloodlust and anger and grief and sadness all pent up and ready to explode out, no matter the consequences, no matter the obstacle; I swear if Jake got in the way somehow she would have at least punched him, or worse shivved him. When she grabbed Spider and threatened Quarritch, I thought she WAS going to kill the boy, I did not believe for a second it was a bluff; the entire time Spider was with her children she was uneasy, she did not like him at all, he even said so when talking to his adoptive siblings, but Jake always talked her out of it; the moment she saw Spider during the battle, after losing her child, her everything, she did not care that he was a friend/sibiling to her other children, or a friend of her family, or anything, he was just someone important to her enemy, a weakness to be exploited, and she was right Her rage is ONLY stopped when her enemy gives in to her demands, her daughters are back in her arms and when the battle is seemingly over. All I could think of afterwards was "God DAMN her actress was awesome! She deserves some type of award, right?!"
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I always love James Cameron's Avatar franchise no matter what. By the way, the Avatar franchise and the pre-Disney Star Wars franchise (AKA the REAL Star Wars franchise, which sadly died in 2012) have some similarities. First of all, the first Star Wars movie from 1977 and the first Avatar movie both became the highest-grossing movie of all time (with the first Avatar movie still being the highest-grossing movie of all time even to this day) and both movies were under 20th Century Fox when they came out (although now they're under Disney, unfortunately). Also, the first Star Wars movie from 1977 is what inspired Cameron to become a film-maker in the first place. Furthermore, Star Wars and Avatar are both science fantasy/space opera franchises. Avatar is Cameron's Star Wars. The Avatar franchise is the rightful successor to the pre-Disney Star Wars franchise, in my opinion.
Good video. I disagree though with the idea that the original avatar was "the safest blockbuster ever made". How many blockbusters show the US capitalist empire as a genocidal death machine? The simplicity in the plot is simply Cameron's decision to lay bare the horror that emerges from this system. No "but both sides have a point", no obscurity about what it means, it just puts the audience in the horribly unjust position of the colonized and exploited.
Also I don't agree that the first movie's climax was reverse engineered to serve Jake's power fantasy. Jake wasn't any more powerful than anyone else. All he possessed was knowledge of how the empire functioned. Eiwa didn't help because Jake asked, she helped because she had graces memories which forced her to see that the situation was much more dire than anyone on pandora could possibly imagine. Jake was able to take out the big ship because he had explosives and knew the ship's weakest spot.
The plot of the first Avatar movie was intentionally simplistic because the plot of that movie wasn't the point, the point was the visual immersiveness of that movie because cinema is a visual medium after all. Plots aren't the be-all and end-all of cinema, some movies don't have any plot at all. Look at Baraka and Samsara, those movies don't have any plot at all yet they're still masterpieces. Avatar is experiential first and intellectual second.
@@Rishi123456789 I don't think you're giving enough thought to what Cameron's trying to convey through these movies. He's very clear about the message and crafted the plot in a way that everyone can get it. I'd say it's spectacle and intellectual simultaneously
@@Nick-gx4oc I am an Avatar fan, but the War Bad/Unrestrained Capitalism Bad/Colonialism Bad messages of Avatar are trite. I've seen these messages done hundreds of times before and better too. The plot of Avatar isn't its strong suit, its visual spectacle is. And that's okay.
6:16 to the force awakens credit everyone knew han solo because we already have 3 film with him. Who the hell remember this kid that is just as bland as the other kids, honestly the villain son was more interesting and he is side line for the rest of the film. Maybe because he is the only human character that isn't a fucking blue monkey. Yeah i say it blow me.
Neytiri has a strained relationship with Miles. He believes she hates him, and he does not consider her his true adoptive mother, referring to her instead as "Mrs. Sully. " At one point, Kiri invites Spider into a family gathering, which greatly irritates Neytiri. Neytiri views him as trouble and does not like Kiri being around him, later on trying to forbid the two from any interaction. Neytiri had a hard time accepting Spider because she always saw him as one of the people who killed her father and destroyed her home.[3] She also entirely blames the sky people for the war that took place on Pandora a decade and a half ago; when Miles calls it "our war", an infuriated Neytiri says "it is your war" back at him. Despite Spider's arguments regarding his innocence and the fact that he had nothing to do with his parents' crimes, Neytiri ignored any words from the boy. At the SeaDragon, in order to get Kiri back, Neytiri held Spider hostage and slightly cut him across the chest as a threat to Quaritch. For a moment, she even seemed willing to fatally stab him, although it is unclear if she was bluffing or not. Despite surviving with just a scratch, Spider was visibly shocked after this.
Naytiri literally survived a 911 + a Hiroshima level event, genocide and fucking aliens - I honestly would give anything to see her point of view threw this all and see what she thinks about similar things happening on earth
My main problem with first Avatar is their tagline, that says "its a new world". And i saw a f...g dragons, horses and mechs from Aliens. Its nothing new. I understand that they need a recognizable elements for a mass audience or the movie just flop. But for me is not enough of creativity. And decide to watch it at home on dvd) I realize how big it was on IMAX screen, but it clearly seen that CG was not there at that time. It was bigger than all 2009 movies, but with same quality of effects. Bigger, but not better. It was big and loud, but forgettable.
The plot of avatar itself i would say wasnt super creative, but the actual world not creative? Pandora is one of the most imaginative alien worlds ive ever seen. It has so much depth and creativity its honestly mindblowing. Just because it has some familiar sci fi and fantasy elements doesnt make it uncreative. Its the way they use them. What other movie have you seen where aliens plug their minds into dragons with their brain hair?
@@ElectricAlien577 i can tell you what movie use a horses like alien species - Ewoks: The Battle for Endor) And Spok use non-wire tech to connect) Why its need to be space indians, horses and dragons? Agh...)
@@CaptainReynolds-flyinspace Just because it has alien horses and dragons and other familiar sci fi fantasy creatures doesnt make it unimaginative or uncreative. If a scifi movie has spaceships does that make it unimaginative? Its the particular way its done that makes pandora its own. The world of pandora as a whole is incredibly imaginative, and the way all life on the planet/moon is genuinely connected, and can communicate, and transfer data with a physical biological link is just fckn awesome, and unique in a way i havent seen in another movie. A giant 10 foot blue humanoid alien physically links their brain to the brain of an alien dragon. Literally connecting their minds physically and emotionally. Its something you dont see in a lot of other movies. If youre going to say that aint creative, then basically every scifi movie ever made is uncreative, cus i can name a bunch of other movies that have a few similar elements. The story of avatar is cliche and full of tropes. The world of pandora is its own thing.
@@ElectricAlien577 You just try defence what you like, and its ok. But for me its not work because even spaceships and other vhicles its again just helicopters with some redesign. Thats the point. Alien in 1979 give viever mindblowing creature design and aliens tech. And in 2009 we see... Some jungles, helicopters, indians, and other things from the Earth. Maybe they make Encyclopedia of pandora, or something, where i can read about something interesting, but its not in the movie, or somewhere on background) its not "new world" for me, its more same world with cover design. Im not feeling that im "not in Kansas anymore", because it look like Vietnam tourists place, to simular with Earth. He can shoot it in the 90s on real location and few matte painting shots. Thats why im disappointed)
Good video, but man I am so sick of The Empire Strikes Back being used as the ultimate barometer for sequels. It’s great yes, but sequels shouldn’t have to be hog-tied to the expectations set by one movie. There are plenty of sequels that are as good or better. If you must use Star Wars though, The Last Jedi is right there.
ESB was relentlessly panned by audiences at the time, for its cliffhanger ending and almost esoteric Degoba cave scene. I was pissed and disappointed. In hindsight it has gotten its well-deserved praise, but I think it is more due to the happy resolution of ROTJ.
Give me a break. There is nothing wrong with the ending to avatar. It would not have made 2.8 billion dollars if there was something wrong with the ending. Why would you trash Jake for being a selfish hero when that gives him far more of a dynamic personality than Luke Skywalker in A New Hope? This is going to be a saga and I think Camerom will kill Jake off in the next movie. So there. Jake will be facing consequences for being so selfish. I don't understand how could think that Avatar is the safest blockbuster. The movie literally tries to turn the audience against the human race and to Camerons credit, Avatar succeeds gloriously
You are clueless, this film is Jakes movie. That’s why it starts with him narrating and ends with him. Cameron says that the next movies are going to focus more on the kids especially Kiri and her powers. And what is so wrong about him being a figure of leadership? Everyone else pulled their weight on the film, including the women which were strong and badass. Stop whining and stop nitpicking!
Maverick is boring as hell and cheesy as hell and fanservicey as hell. It's like a movie printed on cardboard, for the vast majority of the runtime. Avatar is original.* These are two of many opinions I have. I have others about both movies - Maverick's back third is as good as everyone says, and I thought Avatar was too formulaic when I first saw it in 2009 - but... I feel like we're at risk of looking a gift whale in the mouth here. It's harder to make Avatar than Maverick. EDIT: Well. You know. "Original." EDIT 2: I generally agree with you about Avatar 2, fwiw.
@@Rishi123456789 Its not so much the plot is super original and complex. Its obviously chock full of cliches and tropes. Its the world itself that is incredibly imaginative and original. Ive seen plots similar to avatar, but ive never seen a movie quite like avatar. Ive never seen an alien plug their brain directly into a dragons brain, as well as plug their brains directly into a global network of trees that act as some kind of actual god. Avatar is cliche, but damn is it wild.
That kid dying to me was very much the "oh no, that guyyyyy" joke you juxtapose with it. Really did not care for it (or for any of the other kids, or really the movie as a whole tbh).
The kid dying wasnt really the impact for me. It was the pain jake and his family felt watching him die. Jake desperately trying to comfort the son he loves, knowing hes about to loose him forever, when the whole reason he ran away from the forest was to protect his kids. Naytiri switching from profound grief to unbridled rage and hatred when she realized her other kids were still in danger and she could easily loose another right now. Its the empathy for the characters around them, and feeling their pain and grief that makes netayams death impactful.
Avatar 2 is a mess of a movie, very beautiful but doesn't make any sense and even is really stupid at some pointsm and i'm sorry but that human kid was a terrible cast. The first one is really solid exploring the world, the species and the morality of both sides, specially humans and the conflict of Jake in particular. But this one people freaks out because they swim now. The story is pointless from start to finish, it repeats the same story from the first one in many ways and it's a shame because it had a lot of potential, but james cameron sucks a little too much with scripts and that's is true my friends.
well giving that the ealry tittle was "the scene that saved avatar the way of water" i can pinpoint the scene that killed the movie for me. ua-cam.com/video/k69rMaw3uZg/v-deo.html I not a glasses guy but i saw this film on 3D and this was the first time i literally took off my glasses for an immediate facepalm
I expected Mataeo to die in the 2nd one. He wasn't really that young, he was the eldest son, taking blame for his bother's mistakes, he was Jake's "golden child"... He had nothing to prove. The flawless ones die.
Technically, Pandora belongs to the Navis and other native species and they're just defending it from the human invaders just like you'd defend your house if thieves entered into your house.
Boring. why don't you talk about something more interesting like puss in boots 2 or across the spiderverse.. oh because animation is for babies. It will be never be cinema as avatar 2 that in no way feels like an animated film even though 95% of the film was cganimation
@@Nick-gx4oc well you should see it. Because avatar 2 will feel like a bland national geographic show compare to across the spiderverse, cause that movie feel like it took years to make not only in animation but also in writting.
I thought Way of Water was pretty awful. Sigourney Weaver voice acting as her own daughter was absurd levels of cringe, and the older son's death felt pretty meaningless. I'm guessing his death represents the lowest point for the younger son, and his redemption will come next movie, but wow, these storylines are definitely not interesting enough for me to care about them spanning an entire series of films.
This avatar movie is crap. I can’t say much about story or acting because I could not watch it for longer. There are parts filmed on actual sets (with heavy use of green boxes) that do look ok but you can clearly see when there are scenes that are made with no actors no set no nothing but CGI. These not only look like a computer game but just don’t fit well with non CGI scenes. It is so obvious when there is a switch between one and the other that I was put off completely after some minutes. Maybe junger audience that just plays video games all day like that but it was a horrific experience for me (just like the last Jurassic Park movie where it all looks unnatural as well).
Thanks for having me along for this one, dude! Could honestly watch and rewatch the Avatar movies forever; both of them are technically immaculate and there's so much craft to learn from them ❤
Avatar 2 is a film featuring a married couple who is supportive and encouraging to one another, and parents who are damn terrifying when protecting their kids. It features kids who extend forgiveness to flawed parents. It features a chilled-out second act that has no explosions or warfare for what feels like glorious hours of just hanging out in a cool place.
The movie absolutely rules.
indeed
While I loved Way of Water the ending did have a flaw and im surprised you didnt mentioned it and its the fact that the water tribe just disappeared half way through the battle.
They came to rescue THEIR kids, not Jake's. Once they were free, this was Jake and Neytiri's fight.
@@ericoffill3697 But like… why? 😅 They could’ve helped them, if they had failed, the humans would’ve gone after the rest of them.
Cameron sacrificed showing some plot details there in order to tighten the focus on Jake+Neytiri's grief and rage
Exactly! They just bounced. But in the moment, I was so into the ending that I wasn’t even thinking about them
also Cameron took out some scenes of Omatikaya being killed/being forced back by the whalers because of the brutal gun violence.
The climax scene where they bury the kid, & they show the flashback naming the kid exactly when his body disappears (Kid is lifted & called "Netayam") My heart was shattered it is such a powerful scene!
So glad you made a video on one of my favourite movies from last year
10:01, agreed, the tension was done really well
I wasn't the biggest fan of the first Avatar, it wasn't until I saw it in IMAX 3D where I fell in love with it. The Way of Water exceeded its predecessor in every aspect, it is a perfect sequel.
My only complaint after seeing TWOW was that all their allies disappear during that final fight. As good as that climax was, I was bothered by their sudden, unexplained(?) absence. Only seen it once so far though. Did I just miss something? Cameron is usually excellent at explaining/justifying everything going on in his movies, so this was unexpected.
Cameron decided to cut that part showing where the others were and what was going on there. The problem is that cutting back and forth interrupted the emotional momentum of the family’s story in the battle, so he cut everything that didn’t have anything to with the Sullys and focused solely on them as that’s where the heart of the film was and to keep the emotional integrity of the film’s momentum uninterrupted.
@@TheGeorgeD13I hope they release an extended cut like they did with the first one adding all this stuff back
@@caikelm5766 He said he will at some point, but he's been busy with getting Avatar 3 ready for release in the next couple years.
Now everything's on strike, so I'm not sure what the rules are for him and what he can do right now. Is he allowed to keep working on Avatar 3? All the shooting with the actors has been done for years as they shot Avatar 2, 3, and parts of 4 all in one go.
Can he work on an extended cut now? Who knows, but there will be one in the future according to Cameron.
Man, I wished I could've gone to see this movie in IMAX more than once. Imo it's legit one of the greatest movies ever made, and the idea of watching it at home on my 32" monitor just feels wrong, so I haven't rewatched it yet.
Either gonna wait for a re-release in theaters or until I get something like the Apple Vision Pro (for less than 1500).
Try in VR. In Vr the 3d effects are better. Oh... In VR you can watch at IMAX screen size too
Glad That you are back
I’ll be 40 when the last Avatar film comes out! 🤯
That’s if the films don’t get delayed again! 😭
I don't think I've ever seen the word scene stretched so far. The "scene" we're talking about is like half of the movie.
I wasn't a huge fan of Avatar 2. The kids didn't get enough screen time individually for me to care all that much when one of them was killed, and the climax really, really overstayed its welcome, repeating plot points (the kids are captured like 4 times), and feeling completely removed from the conflict of the rest of the movie. It doesn't help that the emotional climax, with Neytiri threatening to kill Spider was built on her newfound racism towards humans, which I felt was contrived and a betrayal of her character in the original Avatar.
I mean, the emotional climax of Avatar 1, in my opinion, wasn't the fight between army guy and Jake and then Neytiri, it was Neytiri seeing Jake's human body for the first time, and still loving and accepting him. And then in Avatar 2 she's like "humans shouldn't interact with Na'vi", as if she didn't marry a human.
Felt the same. And my friend and I predicted Netayam being killed very early itself.
Cameron is THE action movie director. Period
I think why the ending sequence didn't work for me was that I was not attached to the child at all. He was just this uncanny character that didn't seem to matter, then he died and I just could not give a shit. Like the least important child was the one they killed? The least emotionally interesting one?
Maybe if it was an only son maaaaybe that could have beeing emotional, but no he had must to have 6 more siblings making his role more redundant than biggs from star wars.
I was the opposite, I cried nonstop
I actually prefer this over killing one of the interesting ones and having the boring one remain
The scene it’s sad because Jake lost his kid , we spend the first movie caring about Jake so it’s sad seeing him having his worst nightmare come true , it’s like Sarah’s death in the last of us, you really don’t know her at all, but it’s the impact it has on the character that makes it work ,
For me the impact isnt as much in seeing the character die, but empathizing with those who love them grieving and crying over it. Jake desperately trying to comfort his son in his last moments, knowing hes about to loose him forever. The anguish, followed by the snap into unbridled rage and hatred in naytiri. I can really feel the characters pain, and thats what makes it so powerful.
Great analyses!
I really like two Avatar movies very much.
I remember first watching this and, as you put it, during the “chaos sections,” I cried out out loud, “SOMEBODY, HEEELP!!!” Or, at least it felt like I said it out loud😅
Neytiris's rampage is the scariest part of the movie for me, I was seriously scared for anyone coming across her, even her husband. When she lost her son, her firstborn, she wasn't Neytiri the caring mother, Neytiri the Na'Vi warrior, or even Jake's wive, anymore... She was a killer, on a mission, with nothing but rage, bloodlust and anger and grief and sadness all pent up and ready to explode out, no matter the consequences, no matter the obstacle; I swear if Jake got in the way somehow she would have at least punched him, or worse shivved him.
When she grabbed Spider and threatened Quarritch, I thought she WAS going to kill the boy, I did not believe for a second it was a bluff; the entire time Spider was with her children she was uneasy, she did not like him at all, he even said so when talking to his adoptive siblings, but Jake always talked her out of it; the moment she saw Spider during the battle, after losing her child, her everything, she did not care that he was a friend/sibiling to her other children, or a friend of her family, or anything, he was just someone important to her enemy, a weakness to be exploited, and she was right
Her rage is ONLY stopped when her enemy gives in to her demands, her daughters are back in her arms and when the battle is seemingly over. All I could think of afterwards was "God DAMN her actress was awesome! She deserves some type of award, right?!"
Banger review. 10/10 no notes
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"Forgotten Icon" is the best description I've ever heard of 2009 Avatar's impact
Love this video! I totally agree, I liked Avatar but I LOVED way of water. It’s impossible not to tear up at the funeral scene
I always love James Cameron's Avatar franchise no matter what. By the way, the Avatar franchise and the pre-Disney Star Wars franchise (AKA the REAL Star Wars franchise, which sadly died in 2012) have some similarities. First of all, the first Star Wars movie from 1977 and the first Avatar movie both became the highest-grossing movie of all time (with the first Avatar movie still being the highest-grossing movie of all time even to this day) and both movies were under 20th Century Fox when they came out (although now they're under Disney, unfortunately). Also, the first Star Wars movie from 1977 is what inspired Cameron to become a film-maker in the first place. Furthermore, Star Wars and Avatar are both science fantasy/space opera franchises. Avatar is Cameron's Star Wars. The Avatar franchise is the rightful successor to the pre-Disney Star Wars franchise, in my opinion.
Try Lord of the Rings trilogy ( extended versions)
@@theloner6063 No thanks.
Avatar 2 is very good movie.
I’m kinda surprised that you felt the son dying was unexpected. My friend and I literally called out that he was gonna die in his very first scene.
Good video. I disagree though with the idea that the original avatar was "the safest blockbuster ever made". How many blockbusters show the US capitalist empire as a genocidal death machine? The simplicity in the plot is simply Cameron's decision to lay bare the horror that emerges from this system. No "but both sides have a point", no obscurity about what it means, it just puts the audience in the horribly unjust position of the colonized and exploited.
Also I don't agree that the first movie's climax was reverse engineered to serve Jake's power fantasy. Jake wasn't any more powerful than anyone else. All he possessed was knowledge of how the empire functioned. Eiwa didn't help because Jake asked, she helped because she had graces memories which forced her to see that the situation was much more dire than anyone on pandora could possibly imagine. Jake was able to take out the big ship because he had explosives and knew the ship's weakest spot.
The plot of the first Avatar movie was intentionally simplistic because the plot of that movie wasn't the point, the point was the visual immersiveness of that movie because cinema is a visual medium after all. Plots aren't the be-all and end-all of cinema, some movies don't have any plot at all. Look at Baraka and Samsara, those movies don't have any plot at all yet they're still masterpieces. Avatar is experiential first and intellectual second.
@@Rishi123456789 I don't think you're giving enough thought to what Cameron's trying to convey through these movies. He's very clear about the message and crafted the plot in a way that everyone can get it. I'd say it's spectacle and intellectual simultaneously
@@Nick-gx4oc I am an Avatar fan, but the War Bad/Unrestrained Capitalism Bad/Colonialism Bad messages of Avatar are trite. I've seen these messages done hundreds of times before and better too. The plot of Avatar isn't its strong suit, its visual spectacle is. And that's okay.
@@Rishi123456789 which movies did it better in your opinion? Not in an argumentative way, I'm genuinely curious
6:16 to the force awakens credit everyone knew han solo because we already have 3 film with him.
Who the hell remember this kid that is just as bland as the other kids, honestly the villain son was more interesting and he is side line for the rest of the film. Maybe because he is the only human character that isn't a fucking blue monkey. Yeah i say it blow me.
Agree
Neytiri has a strained relationship with Miles. He believes she hates him, and he does not consider her his true adoptive mother, referring to her instead as "Mrs. Sully. " At one point, Kiri invites Spider into a family gathering, which greatly irritates Neytiri. Neytiri views him as trouble and does not like Kiri being around him, later on trying to forbid the two from any interaction.
Neytiri had a hard time accepting Spider because she always saw him as one of the people who killed her father and destroyed her home.[3] She also entirely blames the sky people for the war that took place on Pandora a decade and a half ago; when Miles calls it "our war", an infuriated Neytiri says "it is your war" back at him. Despite Spider's arguments regarding his innocence and the fact that he had nothing to do with his parents' crimes, Neytiri ignored any words from the boy.
At the SeaDragon, in order to get Kiri back, Neytiri held Spider hostage and slightly cut him across the chest as a threat to Quaritch. For a moment, she even seemed willing to fatally stab him, although it is unclear if she was bluffing or not. Despite surviving with just a scratch, Spider was visibly shocked after this.
Naytiri literally survived a 911 + a Hiroshima level event, genocide and fucking aliens - I honestly would give anything to see her point of view threw this all and see what she thinks about similar things happening on earth
Kiri is the best thing in this movie. I love the ocean scenes too. But I give 6.5/10
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0:21 “spectacular climax” well this is cap
My main problem with first Avatar is their tagline, that says "its a new world". And i saw a f...g dragons, horses and mechs from Aliens. Its nothing new. I understand that they need a recognizable elements for a mass audience or the movie just flop. But for me is not enough of creativity. And decide to watch it at home on dvd) I realize how big it was on IMAX screen, but it clearly seen that CG was not there at that time. It was bigger than all 2009 movies, but with same quality of effects. Bigger, but not better. It was big and loud, but forgettable.
The plot of avatar itself i would say wasnt super creative, but the actual world not creative? Pandora is one of the most imaginative alien worlds ive ever seen. It has so much depth and creativity its honestly mindblowing. Just because it has some familiar sci fi and fantasy elements doesnt make it uncreative. Its the way they use them. What other movie have you seen where aliens plug their minds into dragons with their brain hair?
@@ElectricAlien577 i can tell you what movie use a horses like alien species - Ewoks: The Battle for Endor) And Spok use non-wire tech to connect) Why its need to be space indians, horses and dragons? Agh...)
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Just because it has alien horses and dragons and other familiar sci fi fantasy creatures doesnt make it unimaginative or uncreative. If a scifi movie has spaceships does that make it unimaginative? Its the particular way its done that makes pandora its own. The world of pandora as a whole is incredibly imaginative, and the way all life on the planet/moon is genuinely connected, and can communicate, and transfer data with a physical biological link is just fckn awesome, and unique in a way i havent seen in another movie. A giant 10 foot blue humanoid alien physically links their brain to the brain of an alien dragon. Literally connecting their minds physically and emotionally. Its something you dont see in a lot of other movies. If youre going to say that aint creative, then basically every scifi movie ever made is uncreative, cus i can name a bunch of other movies that have a few similar elements.
The story of avatar is cliche and full of tropes. The world of pandora is its own thing.
@@ElectricAlien577 You just try defence what you like, and its ok. But for me its not work because even spaceships and other vhicles its again just helicopters with some redesign. Thats the point. Alien in 1979 give viever mindblowing creature design and aliens tech. And in 2009 we see... Some jungles, helicopters, indians, and other things from the Earth. Maybe they make Encyclopedia of pandora, or something, where i can read about something interesting, but its not in the movie, or somewhere on background) its not "new world" for me, its more same world with cover design. Im not feeling that im "not in Kansas anymore", because it look like Vietnam tourists place, to simular with Earth. He can shoot it in the 90s on real location and few matte painting shots. Thats why im disappointed)
The best scenes in this series are the action scenes. They really need to rely on it more moving forward
These films are made by the guy who did Aliens and Terminator 2, two of the greatest action movies of all time.
@@Skaiser_Wilhelm7938 Ik lol
I loved this movie so much.
Alternate title: Why Tofu is Better than Kale.
Good video, but man I am so sick of The Empire Strikes Back being used as the ultimate barometer for sequels. It’s great yes, but sequels shouldn’t have to be hog-tied to the expectations set by one movie. There are plenty of sequels that are as good or better. If you must use Star Wars though, The Last Jedi is right there.
ESB was relentlessly panned by audiences at the time, for its cliffhanger ending and almost esoteric Degoba cave scene. I was pissed and disappointed.
In hindsight it has gotten its well-deserved praise, but I think it is more due to the happy resolution of ROTJ.
Give me a break. There is nothing wrong with the ending to avatar. It would not have made 2.8 billion dollars if there was something wrong with the ending. Why would you trash Jake for being a selfish hero when that gives him far more of a dynamic personality than Luke Skywalker in A New Hope?
This is going to be a saga and I think Camerom will kill Jake off in the next movie. So there. Jake will be facing consequences for being so selfish.
I don't understand how could think that Avatar is the safest blockbuster. The movie literally tries to turn the audience against the human race and to Camerons credit, Avatar succeeds gloriously
You are clueless, this film is Jakes movie. That’s why it starts with him narrating and ends with him. Cameron says that the next movies are going to focus more on the kids especially Kiri and her powers. And what is so wrong about him being a figure of leadership? Everyone else pulled their weight on the film, including the women which were strong and badass. Stop whining and stop nitpicking!
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This is blowing my mind, yoy couldn't pay me to watch this movie again, and you saw it THREE TIMES?!?! Agree to disagree I guess.
Yeah because aparently no one wants to see shit films like puss in boots 2 or everything everywhere all at once.
Maverick is boring as hell and cheesy as hell and fanservicey as hell. It's like a movie printed on cardboard, for the vast majority of the runtime. Avatar is original.* These are two of many opinions I have. I have others about both movies - Maverick's back third is as good as everyone says, and I thought Avatar was too formulaic when I first saw it in 2009 - but... I feel like we're at risk of looking a gift whale in the mouth here. It's harder to make Avatar than Maverick.
EDIT: Well. You know. "Original."
EDIT 2: I generally agree with you about Avatar 2, fwiw.
"Avatar is original."
Explain. I'm an Avatar fan, by the way. But even I know that Avatar is predictable to the point of being archetypal.
@@Rishi123456789 Its not so much the plot is super original and complex. Its obviously chock full of cliches and tropes. Its the world itself that is incredibly imaginative and original. Ive seen plots similar to avatar, but ive never seen a movie quite like avatar. Ive never seen an alien plug their brain directly into a dragons brain, as well as plug their brains directly into a global network of trees that act as some kind of actual god. Avatar is cliche, but damn is it wild.
That kid dying to me was very much the "oh no, that guyyyyy" joke you juxtapose with it. Really did not care for it (or for any of the other kids, or really the movie as a whole tbh).
The kid dying wasnt really the impact for me. It was the pain jake and his family felt watching him die. Jake desperately trying to comfort the son he loves, knowing hes about to loose him forever, when the whole reason he ran away from the forest was to protect his kids. Naytiri switching from profound grief to unbridled rage and hatred when she realized her other kids were still in danger and she could easily loose another right now.
Its the empathy for the characters around them, and feeling their pain and grief that makes netayams death impactful.
Avatar 2 is a mess of a movie, very beautiful but doesn't make any sense and even is really stupid at some pointsm and i'm sorry but that human kid was a terrible cast. The first one is really solid exploring the world, the species and the morality of both sides, specially humans and the conflict of Jake in particular. But this one people freaks out because they swim now. The story is pointless from start to finish, it repeats the same story from the first one in many ways and it's a shame because it had a lot of potential, but james cameron sucks a little too much with scripts and that's is true my friends.
Saved? It's a pos.
well giving that the ealry tittle was "the scene that saved avatar the way of water" i can pinpoint the scene that killed the movie for me.
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I not a glasses guy but i saw this film on 3D and this was the first time i literally took off my glasses for an immediate facepalm
It was the most boring movie I’ve ever seen 0/10
I expected Mataeo to die in the 2nd one. He wasn't really that young, he was the eldest son, taking blame for his bother's mistakes, he was Jake's "golden child"... He had nothing to prove. The flawless ones die.
The contrived characterisation of the kid (Quartich son?)with the dreadlocks ruined the movie for me.
blue eco taliban savages 2. civilization, progress, freedom 0.
Technically, Pandora belongs to the Navis and other native species and they're just defending it from the human invaders just like you'd defend your house if thieves entered into your house.
Boring. why don't you talk about something more interesting like puss in boots 2 or across the spiderverse.. oh because animation is for babies. It will be never be cinema as avatar 2 that in no way feels like an animated film even though 95% of the film was cganimation
Hitting on avatar will not help you advocate for your animated movies 😂 you are giving insecure vibes lol
@@RaiObey tell that to guillermo del toro
Nah, the entire movie was a disasterous snoozefest of storytelling and rehashing the first film beat for beat.
Nah, the entire movie was a miraculous thrill ride of storytelling and improves on the first film in every way
Same, I can't believe he saw it three times!
@@Nick-gx4oc yeah because across the spiderverse sucks...
@@motor4X4kombat ?? I havent seen it yet... Loved the first one tho
@@Nick-gx4oc well you should see it. Because avatar 2 will feel like a bland national geographic show compare to across the spiderverse, cause that movie feel like it took years to make not only in animation but also in writting.
Both endings really felt like: What if guns didn't work on anything?
What?
I thought Way of Water was pretty awful. Sigourney Weaver voice acting as her own daughter was absurd levels of cringe, and the older son's death felt pretty meaningless. I'm guessing his death represents the lowest point for the younger son, and his redemption will come next movie, but wow, these storylines are definitely not interesting enough for me to care about them spanning an entire series of films.
This avatar movie is crap. I can’t say much about story or acting because I could not watch it for longer. There are parts filmed on actual sets (with heavy use of green boxes) that do look ok but you can clearly see when there are scenes that are made with no actors no set no nothing but CGI. These not only look like a computer game but just don’t fit well with non CGI scenes. It is so obvious when there is a switch between one and the other that I was put off completely after some minutes. Maybe junger audience that just plays video games all day like that but it was a horrific experience for me (just like the last Jurassic Park movie where it all looks unnatural as well).