The comparison of the double and single arm technique was very helpful as I work with novice, high school jumpers. I am finding the double arm technique is easier for them to grasp, and your analysis suggests the double arm technique may improve stability. Perhaps the symmetry of the double arms aids in stability? I am using your tips on the free leg coaching points to observe and correct.
Hello John, I am a triple jumper from Austria who jumps around 15m and have similar problems to some of your athletes especially when it comes to patience in the phases, specifically the first phase. I have been watching your videos for quite some time and have tried to incorporate your analysis into my training. Your analysis along with your workout videos (power, speed, plyos) have worked wonders. I was wondering if you could possibly analyze one of my videos? Cheers!
Sebastien, pleased to meet you! I am pulling together a video for this Friday on a similar level of jumper from Singapore. There will hopefully be some tips in this one that will help you too. However, please message me directly re your request. I'm pleased that the ideas I'm putting over in the videos are working for you. Thanks for the support. johnshepherdfitness@gmail.com
Excellent video as always. Some observations I'd just like to make, would be very helpful if you'd correct me if I'm incorrect. Jonathan doesn't hold his step long enough. (At least in the competition). Sarah has really great eccentric strength and her jump phase had the best leg plant. imo. Also I felt that Allison is over reaching (if only slightly) in her hop. PS. Running through the board and knee drive followed by the drop is whats limiting me as well right now. I think me always starting my bounding with my left (free leg ) has led to this. My right leg (hop leg) hasn't learned to 'run through' with tall posture. I wondered if you've ever noticed this before with any other athletes.
Great to hear from you and share your observations - that's what coaching is all about, looking, interpreting and remedying! I'd say more of less with Jonathan, each jump can be different, particularly in early comps. He was having trouble running into the take-off smoothly and this, to me, was more so, compromising his hop (and everything thereafter). Yesterday, he jumped 15.73 (with some longer NJs), so moving up. Sarah does manage to get off the contact from a high position as shown in her triple jump attempts. So, I'd agree there. Re knee drive - you'll know, but you need to take the hip away forwards and hold off of the board before rotating the hopping leg to the front. Your issue, could also be created from an less effective arm action which may stunt the leg movements. Re the right left issue - not really thought about that. The only similar thing is that may long jumpers find it easier to swing their free take-off hip than the non-take-off one over years of repetition on one side. The obvious strategy - practise hip swing with tall posture on your right leg.
@@Johnshepherdtrackcoach I greatly appreciate the response. Now that you mention it, my arm action isn't good enough. Will need to analyse that more to try and fix it.
Lee, perhaps not the best preparation, but if your legs have stood up to the concrete, it's likely that you'll withstand the impacts. All the best and thanks for the comments on the video!
Hi I’ve made a couple of videos on the subject - this was the first when I first began to get to grips with the hop - ua-cam.com/video/ZYT23MRecyw/v-deo.html Since then I have revised my thinking in part especially when it comes to females and I’m now not working on the long sweep below the body of the free leg... rather a drive and hold onto the hop and a switching type of movement... there’s another video on the channel that looks at male v female TJ - this is the link. Hope these helps and do ask if you need more info. Good luck 😉
Nick, many thanks, hope it helps! There's always something to see and pick-up on. I never spotted Alison's step rotation until I produced the video, mainly as I was filming from behind and therefore saw it!
Yeah your videos really help me a lot. I went from a PR of 14.07m which I only jumped twice last season to opening up 14.61m and PRing 3 times in this meet. My jump was only from 6 doubles but i want to get to 7 or 8 or maybe longer. What do you think is a proper approach length (step wise) for a college jumper? I started my first jump from 8 doubles but i couldn’t control it when I hit the board my first phase was too high i felt too fast so I moved back down to 6 which is when the jumps got better I think I need to learn how to jump from the longer approach i can do it no problem long jump but triple jump is where is mess up and feel like I can’t control it
Well done! I think probably 14-16 steps in total is what you would want to aim for. The more speed you have and control the further you will jump. You will get 'up to speed' if you work off those run-up lengths consistently in training, hopping off and gradually developing the neuromuscular system to react to the contact, as well as developing the reactivity needed. Jonathan in my group used to jump from a short approach when he returned from the US - it took us about a year to get him comfortable from 16 then 18 steps. The rest of your training needs to be geared up though to take you on that journey (talk about this in the videos). After the indoor perhaps start to add a stride or two and see what happens - but only move up in competition when you are feeling ready to handle the extra speed. If you progress consistently in training and do the relevant other work needed to get you ready then the move up won't come as a shock. Good luck!
That beeping sound RIP to my ears.
The comparison of the double and single arm technique was very helpful as I work with novice, high school jumpers. I am finding the double arm technique is easier for them to grasp, and your analysis suggests the double arm technique may improve stability. Perhaps the symmetry of the double arms aids in stability? I am using your tips on the free leg coaching points to observe and correct.
Hey Coach, Thanks for the great video! Could you please explain what you mean regarding the term “feathering”?
Hello John, I am a triple jumper from Austria who jumps around 15m and have similar problems to some of your athletes especially when it comes to patience in the phases, specifically the first phase. I have been watching your videos for quite some time and have tried to incorporate your analysis into my training. Your analysis along with your workout videos (power, speed, plyos) have worked wonders. I was wondering if you could possibly analyze one of my videos? Cheers!
Sebastien, pleased to meet you! I am pulling together a video for this Friday on a similar level of jumper from Singapore. There will hopefully be some tips in this one that will help you too. However, please message me directly re your request. I'm pleased that the ideas I'm putting over in the videos are working for you. Thanks for the support. johnshepherdfitness@gmail.com
Excellent video as always. Some observations I'd just like to make, would be very helpful if you'd correct me if I'm incorrect. Jonathan doesn't hold his step long enough. (At least in the competition). Sarah has really great eccentric strength and her jump phase had the best leg plant. imo. Also I felt that Allison is over reaching (if only slightly) in her hop.
PS. Running through the board and knee drive followed by the drop is whats limiting me as well right now. I think me always starting my bounding with my left (free leg ) has led to this. My right leg (hop leg) hasn't learned to 'run through' with tall posture. I wondered if you've ever noticed this before with any other athletes.
Great to hear from you and share your observations - that's what coaching is all about, looking, interpreting and remedying! I'd say more of less with Jonathan, each jump can be different, particularly in early comps. He was having trouble running into the take-off smoothly and this, to me, was more so, compromising his hop (and everything thereafter). Yesterday, he jumped 15.73 (with some longer NJs), so moving up. Sarah does manage to get off the contact from a high position as shown in her triple jump attempts. So, I'd agree there.
Re knee drive - you'll know, but you need to take the hip away forwards and hold off of the board before rotating the hopping leg to the front. Your issue, could also be created from an less effective arm action which may stunt the leg movements.
Re the right left issue - not really thought about that. The only similar thing is that may long jumpers find it easier to swing their free take-off hip than the non-take-off one over years of repetition on one side. The obvious strategy - practise hip swing with tall posture on your right leg.
@@Johnshepherdtrackcoach I greatly appreciate the response. Now that you mention it, my arm action isn't good enough. Will need to analyse that more to try and fix it.
Great video I’m 40 and preparing for a Masters athletics journey in the triple jump that I’ve never done before except on concrete 😂
Lee, perhaps not the best preparation, but if your legs have stood up to the concrete, it's likely that you'll withstand the impacts. All the best and thanks for the comments on the video!
Smashed it again!
Cheers, waiting for you to smash your PB!!
Hello coach! I am an up and coming triple jump coach myself. Do you have any drills that can isolate the hop phase?
Hi I’ve made a couple of videos on the subject - this was the first when I first began to get to grips with the hop - ua-cam.com/video/ZYT23MRecyw/v-deo.html
Since then I have revised my thinking in part especially when it comes to females and I’m now not working on the long sweep below the body of the free leg... rather a drive and hold onto the hop and a switching type of movement... there’s another video on the channel that looks at male v female TJ - this is the link. Hope these helps and do ask if you need more info. Good luck 😉
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Great video!!!!
Nick, many thanks, hope it helps! There's always something to see and pick-up on. I never spotted Alison's step rotation until I produced the video, mainly as I was filming from behind and therefore saw it!
Yeah your videos really help me a lot. I went from a PR of 14.07m which I only jumped twice last season to opening up 14.61m and PRing 3 times in this meet. My jump was only from 6 doubles but i want to get to 7 or 8 or maybe longer. What do you think is a proper approach length (step wise) for a college jumper? I started my first jump from 8 doubles but i couldn’t control it when I hit the board my first phase was too high i felt too fast so I moved back down to 6 which is when the jumps got better I think I need to learn how to jump from the longer approach i can do it no problem long jump but triple jump is where is mess up and feel like I can’t control it
Well done! I think probably 14-16 steps in total is what you would want to aim for. The more speed you have and control the further you will jump. You will get 'up to speed' if you work off those run-up lengths consistently in training, hopping off and gradually developing the neuromuscular system to react to the contact, as well as developing the reactivity needed. Jonathan in my group used to jump from a short approach when he returned from the US - it took us about a year to get him comfortable from 16 then 18 steps. The rest of your training needs to be geared up though to take you on that journey (talk about this in the videos). After the indoor perhaps start to add a stride or two and see what happens - but only move up in competition when you are feeling ready to handle the extra speed. If you progress consistently in training and do the relevant other work needed to get you ready then the move up won't come as a shock. Good luck!