Same issue with all these hand launches - they throw at too high an angle, which causes a stall. Its much better to throw horizontally and after it drops a bit (but gains speed) give a little elevator. They way they throw works if your model has thrust to weight ratio over 1 ;)
Only one of those throws was intentional! 🤪 The F-14 launch: it has over 1:1 thrust to weight, but it was a prototype maiden and there was insufficient roll authority to correct the right bank. The Vulcan and the Fury are really difficult to hand launch as there is nothing to grab on to at the CG spot. With the Vulcan, all the 'throw' happens as a push at the TE of the wing. A long moment if you push too hard, with quite spectacular results as you see. The Vulcan is also marginally powered, so without a decent throw, 'drops a bit' becomes a landing! Fortunately you are seeing several years of incidents in a short period of time, otherwise no one would let me near their planes!
Correct. It is much harder to launch some of those planes horizontally than it looks. I have failed twice myself. Almost all hand launches are successful and I have plenty of videos of those as well.
Yup, insufficient airspeed and too acute angle of attack! I have a very underpowered 1/5th scale J3 Cub that you absolutely must fly like the full size Cub ... shallow climb out with rudder only, no aileron until you get some airspeed.
I really liked the shot of the SR-71 briefly sticking up out of the shallow water like a dart, hahaha! 😅 Very good video, and the music was perfect for what is being watched. Nice job here.
that poor hand launcher....dont know whether to hit him or give him a cuddle....lol...it sucks when u launch for someone else and it goes badly..thanks for posting video though
If you drop a wing at low speed, use rudder to correct it, not aileron. Aileron will only make the problem worse at low speed. Your friend needs some practice at launching too, maybe get him to practice with a cricket ball, it'll cost you less that way!
So true regarding the recovery technique, but not automatic for many RC pilots. Can be too low to recover as well. The launcher has had many more successes than failures, but of course they are not featured in this video.
Yeah I do seem over-represented on reflection! I do hate it when my poor launch is the cause of someone else's hard work going down the gurgler. Sorry Nathan! Thank goodness Waz is there to catch them so we can all learn from the mishaps.
NEWS FLASH! After examining the debris field the RCNTSB is expected to quickly release the definitive cause of the crash. After all, it was a small accident.
So true, but some of these planes - like the Vulcan - don't have a rudder. You also need enough height to recover, which can be difficult from take off.
They do crash rather impressively. But I think all the Vulcans in this are still flying - certainly mine, featured in the first up and down and then off the dolly is.
I'm not sure what you mean. I videoed all of these myself, but the only ones I piloted were the Catalina (used a cap mounted GoPro) and the Trojan. This had a camera mounted on the plane.
Title is misleading. You did put in the boring bits. You slowed it down. This is UA-cam which gives the viewer the choice to slow it down. I can slow any video down without the author assuming it needs to be slowed down for every viewer.
Lousy hand launches for most of those and the Corsair pilot was holding up elevator through the liftoff, guaranteeing liftoff at too high A of A and too slow.
Noted. It works for me but I realise that is not for everyone. May try putting together a normal speed compilation as well to cover a wider range of tastes.
@MrWaz11 thanks, like I said cool crashes for sure. Now if you wanted to team up with the slowmoguys for an rc remake of the f4 rocket sled cement wall test I'd be all for it 😄
Dude,slo mo IS the boring bits!
😂
Same issue with all these hand launches - they throw at too high an angle, which causes a stall. Its much better to throw horizontally and after it drops a bit (but gains speed) give a little elevator.
They way they throw works if your model has thrust to weight ratio over 1 ;)
So true!
Only one of those throws was intentional! 🤪 The F-14 launch: it has over 1:1 thrust to weight, but it was a prototype maiden and there was insufficient roll authority to correct the right bank. The Vulcan and the Fury are really difficult to hand launch as there is nothing to grab on to at the CG spot. With the Vulcan, all the 'throw' happens as a push at the TE of the wing. A long moment if you push too hard, with quite spectacular results as you see. The Vulcan is also marginally powered, so without a decent throw, 'drops a bit' becomes a landing! Fortunately you are seeing several years of incidents in a short period of time, otherwise no one would let me near their planes!
Correct. It is much harder to launch some of those planes horizontally than it looks. I have failed twice myself. Almost all hand launches are successful and I have plenty of videos of those as well.
Yup, insufficient airspeed and too acute angle of attack! I have a very underpowered 1/5th scale J3 Cub that you absolutely must fly like the full size Cub ... shallow climb out with rudder only, no aileron until you get some airspeed.
Love the launcher's reactions. You've also got video of my Macchi M33 flipping on its back.
Ahh, forgot about the M33 one. There are bound to be others as well.
I really liked the shot of the SR-71 briefly sticking up out of the shallow water like a dart, hahaha! 😅 Very good video, and the music was perfect for what is being watched. Nice job here.
Thanks John. Glad that you appreciated it. Yes the SR-71 was comical at the time as well - especially once we realised that there was no damage.
that poor hand launcher....dont know whether to hit him or give him a cuddle....lol...it sucks when u launch for someone else and it goes badly..thanks for posting video though
Thanks from one of the poor launchers!😃
great video!
If you drop a wing at low speed, use rudder to correct it, not aileron. Aileron will only make the problem worse at low speed. Your friend needs some practice at launching too, maybe get him to practice with a cricket ball, it'll cost you less that way!
So true regarding the recovery technique, but not automatic for many RC pilots. Can be too low to recover as well. The launcher has had many more successes than failures, but of course they are not featured in this video.
Nice summary :)))
Tim you are star of the show. Many of us got cameos.
Indeed. Hand launching EDFs is Tim's speciality and I'm grateful for it, but it does have its drawbacks!
Yeah I do seem over-represented on reflection! I do hate it when my poor launch is the cause of someone else's hard work going down the gurgler. Sorry Nathan! Thank goodness Waz is there to catch them so we can all learn from the mishaps.
This is best part of R.C.flying.
Low airspeed, coupled with launching by hand at too high an angle of attack. Stalled in the first two casss.
NEWS FLASH! After examining the debris field the RCNTSB is expected to quickly release the definitive cause of the crash. After all, it was a small accident.
Painful to watch.. don't know what's worse, a lost in flight or complete crash destruction..?
Meh, just more room in the hanger 😀
Launchers cannot launch :D
Excellent camera work! Where can I find the Vulcan files ?
Thanks. cults3d.com/en/3d-model/various/avro-vulcan-b2-rc-model-1-32-scale-950mm-span
So many high-alpha launches are bringing down good models :(
Yes, but most were repaired fairly easily thanks to 3d printing and the forgiving nature of foamies.
When one of your designs features in these videos 😬😬😬😅
The ground take offs need more speed on the ground before lifting off. Less chance of a stall after take off as was the case in almost all of these.
Agree. Insufficient airspeed was also a big issue with the hand launched EDFs
On virtually all of these mishaps there was no rudder input. I’m no expert, but, I do know you can’t raise a stalled wing with the ailerons
So true, but some of these planes - like the Vulcan - don't have a rudder. You also need enough height to recover, which can be difficult from take off.
0:25 the guy controlling is wearing something on his head... I am not specifying what it is but there is something.
Watching the 3d printed ones go in is painful... may they RIP!.
It is but at least they can be reprinted.
They do crash rather impressively. But I think all the Vulcans in this are still flying - certainly mine, featured in the first up and down and then off the dolly is.
Indeed. The Vulcans are remarkably strong. I can't believe what mine has emerged from without major rebuild.
@@MrWaz11 Do you guys plan on bringing them down to KAMS for the warbirds event?.
I'm planning on taking my Vulcan to KAMS.
Nice landing for that PBY! Fly into the water at a 90 degree bank, cartwheel, land right side up and taxi to shore. Hope the crew was strapped in.
Indeed! I was amazed that it wasn't damaged.
These guys should find some less expensive planes to learn to fly with
Are these all Aleurone midd mistakes?
I'm not sure what you mean. I videoed all of these myself, but the only ones I piloted were the Catalina (used a cap mounted GoPro) and the Trojan. This had a camera mounted on the plane.
Title is misleading. You did put in the boring bits. You slowed it down. This is UA-cam which gives the viewer the choice to slow it down. I can slow any video down without the author assuming it needs to be slowed down for every viewer.
Noted. I have changed the title. Will look at making a normal speed compilation as well.
Fire the launchers. Don't throw the model up, throw it out.
Nah, crash it first, THEN throw it out. 😀
+1 on the too many and way too long slo-mo parts.
Been there done that.....
You all need better/different people to launch your planes! 😳
Lots of holding full up while in stalls...
Doesn't help
Just saying
Lousy hand launches for most of those and the Corsair pilot was holding up elevator through the liftoff, guaranteeing liftoff at too high A of A and too slow.
Too much slow-mo. Cool crashes but ruined with all the slow motion
Noted. It works for me but I realise that is not for everyone. May try putting together a normal speed compilation as well to cover a wider range of tastes.
@MrWaz11 thanks, like I said cool crashes for sure. Now if you wanted to team up with the slowmoguys for an rc remake of the f4 rocket sled cement wall test I'd be all for it 😄
Are you giving right rudder on warbirds takeoffs. The motor torque will turn the planes over to the left. And a gyro helps 👍🏻✌🏻🖖🏻
😢Gyro ist für Weicheier.
Not the best pilots. Most of crashes because of human error.
Go back and learn the basics of flying !!
Todo lo que sube baja, menos la gasolina y la energía electrica😢🙋🇪🇸