Common Myths About Prescribing Buprenorphine presented by Blake Fagan, MD
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- Опубліковано 7 лип 2024
- This video shares 7 common myths healthcare providers have about prescribing buprenorphine. Dr. Fagan, a family physician with the Mountain Area Health Education Center in Asheville, N.C., explains that buprenorphine treatment is NOT dangerous, time consuming or burdensome and clarifies that Medication Assisted Treatment is NOT “simply substituting one addiction for another.”
All I know is that I take 1 tablet , sublingually, each day. I have no desire to take any more than that, and it wouldn't do any good if I did. I don't want to take Dilaudid or oxycodone anymore, and I have no interest in it. I don't worry about overdosing. I don't have to deal with shady people . I don't have to even think about drugs anymore, other than going to the pharmacy . And it helps with the pain that caused me to want to be prescribed opiate pain killers in the first place. Buprenorphine is the reason I am now succeeding at LIFE.
@Cincinnatus73 So do you have to take it everyday? Do you have to take it for the rest of your life ?
@@RamonDallas214 yes I take it every day, just like any other medication. I intend to take it as long as it works
Try to do counseling, its true the desire, or the addiction isn't the whole problem, its your whole life, feelings and way to manage your life. Counseling is super necessary, it will help you to get to know yourself better.
@@gabbd.2795 I am in a weekly recovery group.
@@Cincinnatus1869 me too, its a godsend. I still have cravings sometimes but its so much less, I couldn't have gotten sober without it.
Finally a doctor that knows what they are talking about!! Thank you sir!
Lol, he said Suboxone doesn't get you high...
Agree👍
Suboxone saved my damn life! I was hit by a drunk driver when I was 21 but didn’t start having pain until I was around 26. Turns out I have 5 herniated discs. Because I refused to have surgery at such a young age, all the orthopedic doctors I went to would send me straight to pain management. Pain management would immediately give me 180 roxys and send me on my way. Of course, I got addicted, did some stupid stuff to maintain my addiction and eventually went to jail.
I finally got up the nerve and posted my addiction, arrest and jail stories on my UA-cam channel. If I can help even just one person, I’m forever grateful.
Now I don’t have to take opiates and I don’t have back pain. 🙌🏼
What?
@@danielfinger6223 what?!
@@fukpoeslaw3613 whatchu want playa? Wat it is?
@@danielfinger6223 what?
give me what it is then
@@fukpoeslaw3613 wat dat?
Saved my life from heroin addiction. Been on bup for about 4 yrs now & no relapses.
Does it really help? Do you get addicted to it tho ??
Elle D yeah, helps tremendously. But, it is addictive too.
It has saved my life too.
@@elled3593 it helps immensely. And yes, I’ll probably be on it for the rest of my life as I see it
@@dr32803 it's pharmaceutically measured out, far better than doing smack. You don't have to worry about overdose, or accidentally taking fentanyl or some badly cut poisonous concoction. All things considered, it's a good thing . Good luck to you. If I have to take it forever, so be it. Insurance pays for it, it doesn't make me nod out, and I don't have to get it from shady freaks and junkies
Hey doc. I've been using suboxone for 10 years at 16 my per day. I was an opiate addict for 20 years and it saved my life.
Think about what you said, you've been using suboxone for 10 years, you've switched one addiction for another. Now try to stop and watch what happens, even if you taper, the withdrawal is far worse than any street narcotic.
Until you have walked in my shoes I suggest you keep your opinions to yourself.
@@Skeptic2244 I've been there. Why in the hell do you think I responded? You switched 1 addiction for another and used suboxone for 10 years? That's ridiculous! I got off that shit asap.
@@marcusadams02 how about staying in your own lane..i don't think I asked your for your advise. Go live your life and stop hating.
@@Skeptic2244 you're on a public forum, so why get upset at the truth?
In Greece buprenorphine is free at anti drug programs.
that’s awesome!
Oh in US it is about $600-1200 a month cash unless you don't work and have medicaid.
@@jonshannon6252 yes but in big cities like Athens and Thessaloniki the list is long and some of them wait 2 or 3 years in my town they took me in 1 month. I take at home 21 pills of 8mg per pill for 3 weeks and they check my urine if u use something they kick me out first time for 1 month after that for ever..
The U.S.A is allergic to the word "free." Our "leaders" would keel over if they ever gave out anything for free.
@@chrismartin6345 I get what u say but here is also curuption this was an European program for every EU country for addicts to not steal and do illegal stuff..
I spent 20+ years on illicit opioids, every day. I've be on buprenorphine for 7 years and have not had a desire, at all, to use again; this treatment saved my life. Thank you Dr. Fagan for this informative mythbuster.
How long did it take to get on it? As in how long did you have to be off opiates until you could take it? Last time I tried I went into the worst withdrawal of my life but I was only 12 hours clean. Also did it help with withdrawals right when you took it or did it take a week to kick in?
@@slump_nuggie The consensus used to be 18 hrs. For myself, I was only 4 hrs out, still high, when I got on subs. From what I understand and have been told, buprenorphine binds to the mu receptor like a sticky glue, so you have to get the proper induction dose right; for me it was 16mg and I felt no withdrawal symptoms. Good luck to you truly!
@@compy9123 what kind of opioids were you doing? Were they longer lasting like fent or short acting?
Also, when you first took the sub dose you were completely induced?
Only because you're high on something else.
@@slump_nuggie I can help you you need to listen to your doctor and be honest I'll be honest with you even if you wait 24 hours the first day or first couple of days maybe a little uncomfortable but it's worth it trust me
Another big myth is that buprenorphine is for the treatment of addiction. I have severe dextroscoliosis that caught up with me around the age of 70. It is with me for life now. The current climate about prescribing opiates left my pain insufficiently treated. I was never addicted to traditional opiates and have always been able to taper myself off short term pain prescriptions. Buprenorphine has managed my pain enough to get me back up out of my chair again. However, the patch is very expensive and causes severe skin irritation. I still have the rigid rules controlling the dispensation of my prescription. I can't imagine buprenorphine being abused since there is no high. I hate the stigma and the fact that I am treated as a potential criminal for merely wanting to not live in constant pain.
A very true and good summary. Thank you, Dr.
Pain management docs and their staff are the cruelest most harmful people. I refuse to go back and be treated in such a demeaning manner. Then I found a PCP that prescribed Suboxone
and I’m just starting to get my life back!
I love all these Dr's that think they know how "bad" suboxone is. Yeah it won't kill you taking it but coming off of it you'll wish you were dead. I took 1mg a day for a year and then came off and it took 3 months of pure agony. DO NOT START TAKING THIS MEDICATION AND JUST COME OFF THE OPIODS!
That was brilliant 😃, good summary, I'm in the UK and not a drug user/abuser in that way. I'm a chronic pain sufferer who has been banging on at the Gp and Pain Clinic to let be try Bupro. 1)so in not popping so many pills, 2)provide a constant steady dose all day which be a massive benefit. Finally this week after 5+ years got approval for a trial for the 5mil or micro gram /per hr patch which you leave on for 7 days, so a continuous dosing👍🎉
It's good short term. Long term it makes you emotional and anxiety. Also longer use means coming off is much harder.
@@Josh-rn1em How does it make you "emotional"? But I do wonder if there's no dependance of it for people that take this drug longterm, which a lot do. Like that the effect would lower or you'd need more to keep the same effect. But that seems not to be a problem, probably cuz it's only a partial agonist too.
@@bekeneel you definitely get dependant. It makes you depressed and anxious long term. It's best to use short term to come off full opiates like morphine ect.
@@bekeneel you'll need more and more as you get dependant. But it tops out unlike morphine ect. I only went up to 20mg patches.
@@bekeneel I've been off for 8 months now and I'm a different person. It was for chronic pain. Medical cannabis has helped me so much more than opiates did. I'm a bit forgetful now but at least I don't have a head full of chaos
What about for the brain? I feel I’m at high risk of becoming a dementia patient. It’s given me horrible memory loss issues.
And what about tooth and periodontal disease ?!
It saved my life. Period
Mine too . I was deep into addiction for over a decade. I'd stop , get past the withdrawal ( which is misery) and then ultimately start using again because I couldn't keep the pace of life while suffering with back and joint pain . I would always end up taking opiates again so I could do my job and be a Dad , which are my obligations. I couldn't do it well while being exhausted and in constant pain. Suboxone helps ease the constant pain while still thinking clearly. I don't crave painkillers anymore and I don't have any desire to abuse the Suboxone. It's freedom at last from all that opiate addiction entails.
@@Cincinnatus1869 I don’t understand how people can say it’s as bad as heroin!! Blows my mind
@@kymberlishea2036 anyone who says that is an idiot, frankly. Suboxone is medicine , pharmaceutically measured so you know how much you're taking. It does no good to take more than the recommended dose because it has a ceiling effect. It's paid for by insurance. You can never be sure what is mixed with heroin. You don't know if it's poison , you don't know how much you're taking , and you have to deal with shady people to get heroin. I've taken subs for over a year now and have no worries about overdosing or going to jail. I'm healthy. My joint pain is managed . I don't nod off and I don't feel stoned or weirded out. I'm just living a normal life with a medication , just like anyone else with a medical condition that requires daily meds.
@@Cincinnatus1869 I’d rather buy a suboxen from the pharmacy than heroin from some dealer who has no idea how to cut or the fentanyl thing u just never know. All I know is I’ve weened myself down to 2-3mg every 24-30 hours? And I feel great. Hope your having a good day !
@@Cincinnatus1869 I'm just 18 days in to buprenorphine {16mgs a day} after decades of methadone daily use {&C}
No way would I even class buprenorphine as an opioid, even.
It's a completely ''buzz free'' substance.
Not an iota of a 'glow' to it.
It definitely leaves a much clearer head..
I'm a bit jittery and jumpy on it though...feel very ,much ''In the real world'' now...and like a peeled prawn without my carapace. No insulation between me and the world...it's scary at times. and I'm still jittery.
Suboxon removes the testosterone from my body just like what hydrocodone did. How do I get off of this drug?! I’ve tried myself by cutting down but no luck just went into withdrawal. Is there any hope for me? Peace Mike
The way Primary Care MDs kick a patient out for testing positive for another substance is proof they don't give a shit about their patients. I know people who were seen by the same MD for years, one being treated for repeated back injuries that led to emergency back surgery.
(The ER treats back injuries like shit. The man couldn't walk, and was so doped up from the pain Tx on the ambulance trip that he had no idea what was going on. They wanted us to dump him in the lobby. We refused and they gave him a bed. The doc walks up and immediately says he is going to discharge him to just go back home. The Pt was a fellow medic. Fortunately we had a picture of the MRI from the disc we gave them but they didn't bother to look at. When we showed it to him he said, oooohhhhh, ok. Let me get you a neurologist and something for the pain. He didn't get discharged and ended up in Sx)
Back to the problem with primary care PhDs. The Pt tested clean every time for years. One day they say he tested positive for cocaine and Valium, and negative for his pain meds. He says they must have gotten his cup mixed up. He gave it to the nurse but no one labeled it or wrote his name on it that he saw.
Long/short. Next visit the doc refused to see him. That was it. If you had a patient who never strayed from the Rx treatment and all of a sudden they had cocaine in their system, and if you actually cared about the wellbeing of your PTs, wouldn't you want to find out what was going on? They absolutely wouldn't entertain any notion that their staff may have messed up. Ok, then they had to believe that the guy was all of a sudden doing cocaine and Valium and not taking any of the pain meds after back surgery. And they had no concerns for him, only for themselves I guess. The nurse said it was their policy that the patient couldn't talk to his Doctor about it for the visit that day, nor ever again.
They shouldn't call it patient care, because they don't care about their patients. I miss the old school doctors who saw you from childhood on and actually cared about someone.
I was in the medical field for 10 years. I can tell you some stories and you would agree that doctors and hospitals are just going through the motions because doing so is profitable. It should be profitable. But they should also actually care.
That's not why they kick you out it's because you are still using recreational drugs on the side they're doing that because they don't want to kill you you can't mix this medication if you use it properly it will save your life
Everything you said was right on,everyone needs to know these things.
All lies. Been on it multiple times and I'm prescribed 3 a day right now and I know what the long term damage of the drug is. mental and physical
@@dustinhebert8676 EXACTLY. sometimes I think the only people who know anything about Suboxone are the people who are on it.
Well done. I enjoyed your presentation.
Have been on Belbucca for 2-3 for fibromyalgia. I have never felt high from the drug .Have been up and down on dosage I am an ultra rapid metabolizer and was always needing more and more of the other drugs. Had genetic testing and that was the drug that I best metabolized I hate my pain specialist though. Even thou I am a 70 yo retired nurse practitioner,I am treated like a child. I like your philosophy. Thanks for the video and for being out there!making a difference🎄⛄️🙂
it doesn t work when it makes patient feel awful especiaoly when the previous meds worked perfectly
Are there any Health Risks to long term Prescribing of Buprenorphine?
Given the lethality of the current drug market with its many adulterants including fentanyl and fentanyl analogues, for the vast majority of individuals, the benefit of reducing the chance of fatal overdose far outweighs the medical side effects. However, as a partial opioid agonist, buprenorphine does have the expected side effects, most of which do not pose problems for continued use. Additionally, there are safety concerns including interactions with other drug classes that need to be considered.
For information about safety including interactions with other drug classes, see Tables 3 and 4 from this 2018 American Family Physician article: www.aafp.org/pubs/afp/issues/2018/0301/p313.html
I went to detox to get off of Suboxone. I went through withdraw for over 2 weeks and was the worst withdraw I've had. My Dr said that was quick, that he'd had patient who withdrew for 3+ weeks to a month. Oxycontin and Opana withdraw were exponentially less painful! This is not something that you can quit taking and go back to work next week. If you have responsibilities, be prepared to schedule a significant amount of time out to go to a detox facility. If you can taper, great. If you can't, seek professional help, NOT your clinic doctor.
Also, don't let them convince you that you need "maintenance" so they can keep billing your insurance. Research how long it takes your brain activity to return to normal after completely quitting taking buprenorphine. (It's about 1 year, OFF meds.) Now research how much Suboxone clinics profit in 1 year. God bless you.
What's wrong with being on a low dose of subs for life
@@seand5259 Nothing's wrong with it. Until you run out.
True story, man if I go 1 day without subs I go into horrible withdrawal.
@@sizzlethestozzle8885 Thats in your head it has a 48 hour shelf life
@@DTA-me3kv I promise ya, it really is that fast..
Thank for the in-depth information Dr. I am about to start Buprenorphine soon and you video has been very helpful. Regards Paul (Australia)
Good luck! Have you switched yet?
I was bloody terrified of leaving methadone behind, {as such a brutal WD} but saw various long term user friends transfer onto Buprenorphine alone , and they seemed to ''Like'' it.
Transferred a few days ago..early days, still feel a bit 'wobbly'{4 days without methadone}but head is much, much clearer.
Just be incredibly careful to avoid precipitated WD's...
It's not entirely painless, but doable...
Paul read my thoughts on this and decide
It gives you time to get your head around your habit while feeling good and then reduce the meds under control. I started on 8 an dropping 2 a month as don't want to be on this for years either.
@@Mez1969have you succeeded in tapering off?
They should just sell this stuff over the counter so people can get access to it easily if needed. You should definitely have to buy it from the pharmacy, it should just be available for people that need it. You shouldn't have to jump through hoops to get it. That's the main thing that stops people from doing it and keeps them just using hard opiates. I'd much rather have people getting a pill that's manufacturing and sale regulated than a baggy of mystery substance on the corner from their local street chemists.
Bellbuca is 658 a month script medicaid won't pay
@@debdavis5911 Yeah it's a lot but still cheaper than a dope habit. Think about it. If you're doing $60 or more a day you're blowing through $600 just in 10 days. Not to mention the risk of getting caught with it which can lead to legal troubles and fines and court costs. But I get it tho. No medication should cost that much. What I said in my comment tho still stands. I'm completely anti drug war. I think people should be allowed to consume or administer themselves anything they want. But this especially since they want everyone off drugs at least provide this to anyone that wants it to stay clean. Like people should just be able to buy one unit if that's all they can afford at the time. Personally I think a lot less people would be dying if the entire drug operation was brought above the table, controlled and regulated. That's just my opinion tho. Too many people get lengthy prison sentences over the stuff. I did two years simply for attempting to get a few extra percocets on a prescription. In those two years I watched 6 pedophiles come in and get released and come back again on similar charges. The fact that drug addicts are getting more time than pedophiles is ridiculous.
@@debdavis5911 for how many?.
@Craig Daub Beats - Rap Instrumentals I've been on methadone for 10 years. Don't take any other drugs. My husband had to quit methadone years ago because he had a CDL... he overdosed on a fentanyl laced fake oxy and passed this past August...RIP is sweet soul ❤❤❤... but I just realized tonight what it would have meant for me to not have been on methadone. My kids would not have either parents because we would have been sharing the same shit hookup off the street. I get what you're saying. Only allow the 16-25 mg dose (or whatever it is) per person per day. I'm sure it wouldn't be that difficult and would help so many. But I have a feeling that the higher ups don't want most of us being productive members of society. They want us dead
Sorry. That got dark
They would have to have a good screening process to make sure people who got it were actually opiate addicts.
I used drugs for 4months and i quit completely and its been two years and within 2 years buprenorphine helped me to avoid drugs,alcohol,smoking etc..but for me one worst thing about buprenorphine is nerves pain, headache, lazyness and for that I couldn't able to do work on time .so to avoid buprenorphine I have detox for 7 days at hospital and now im feeling good like 80% all my pain has gone but dysentery and heavy breathing is little bit disturbing. So for pain relief shall I used buprenorphine or other else. Please advise...
I’ve been on suboxen for 6 years now, I’m a supervisor in a glass plant, but was just denied a job at Eastman chemical Company on my start date, due to taking my medication as prescribed. Does anyone have any advice. I’ve read about the ADA but not sure on how to proceed
In india too we get free buprenorphine..so fortunate for addicts..
DO NOT!! GET ON THIS STUFF... 15 YEAR TO GET FROM 24ML TO ZERO. ITS HELL TO GET OFF.. ESP IF YOU SUFFER DEPRESSION
I've gone from opiates to heroin to methadone to Suboxone back to heroin and then back to methadone. and I just kicked out the program and am having trouble finding a clinic because I got kicked out for dropping a bag full of xannies. so now I'm out of them too
You got to follow the rules if you want your meds from the system. They don't want you getting high. Otherwise you are going to just have to buy your meds off the street risking getting busted. Just learn how to play the game. Life in America is another slavery game that's it.
@@andyokus5735 thanks for the tip! And now I went from the methadone back to Suboxone. And I Don't do benzos hardly ever or drink hardly ever anymore. I've got enough problems lol
Remember kids, This man has never taken buprenorphine in his life, he doesn’t truly know what he’s talking about.
Thank you sir. That is my opinion on this type of shit. How in hell are you going to try and tell me that a drug I am very much addicted to and will go through severe withdrawals without it that is not addictive and to put the cherry on top you said that I'm crazy and would take a non addictive drug that I don't get high off of. Wtf? And I understand that the selling point for suboxone is it takes away cravings and no withdrawals. What they feel to tell you is that the reason you don't crave anything else and you're not having withdrawals it's because Suboxone will get you all the high you want. Sometimes too much 😂😂😂
@@dustinhebert8676 “sometimes too much” 😂 I remember taking half a strip of suboxone when I first started using hydrocodone, I was a noob ya know I’d take 10mg and be high all day. But that suboxone made me vomit for hours as I had never been so fucked up in my life. 7 years later I take 8 - 12 mg a day of Subutex and I can’t seem to quit. Been on it for close to two years. I’ve managed to save enough money to be able to quit my job and move to Florida. The day I quit my job is it for me. I will smoke weed and sleep for as many months as it takes for me to get off this shit.
A HUGE part of recovery is environment. You need to be in a place where you can thrive and not just survive or maintaining recovery will be a monumental task. Suboxone does help but it's a sort of medical prison.
I went from taking oral morphine to suboxone.. and I can tell you that suboxone gets you EXTREMELY high! I've never felt so high in my life.. and every day for the next year I was given a dose that had me nodding for hours.
If a clinician tells you that suboxone doesn't get you high, give them a pill and call their bluff.
I don't want to hear another word of advice from someone who has never used the drug.
Uh, maybe the very first time or two someone with little to no true opiate tolerance takes bupe… thousands take it daily and do NOT feel “high”. Don’t speak like everyone else is wrong and you are right.
No it doesn't lol, unless you have jackshit for opiate tolerance or it's your first time ever taking it. Sounds like you shouldn't have been on it at all, you must've been taking a very small amount of morphine. And just like the other dude said, don't speak like you're right and everyone else is wrong, speak only for yourself.
@@Weather_Nerd exactly. Her comment is ridiculous and pisses me off
@@mongogojjo5944 I am right though.. Yes, my opiate tolerance was low because I took it in doses that were affordable and I had a full-time job and social life. and I wanted a way to get off it comfortably and I was given a massive dose of Suboxone, despite the dr telling me I had a "baby habit".
So yes, unless you're a full blown fentanyl junkie, Suboxone could easily cause a bigger problem than it solves.
Even after a year I get very high from Suboxone, and there is absolutely no doubt in my mind that getting off this will be way harder than getting off my oral morphine habit.
Hi there really wich drunk was that because im about to use Buprenorphine for my chronic pain
I came of Bupranorphene in January and, after two days grace, I entered the worst withdrawals I've ever experienced - worse than Methadone even. Not just kicky legs but head-wagging, psychological delirium that lasted thirty days. Even now, in May, my sleep is unsettled and I'm physically exhausted. I was on 8mg a day for four years.
They dont talk about that here though. Hope you are ok
Buprenorphine is a mixed/partial agonist-antagonist, this means the opioid effect has a ceiling and it plateaus much early in overdosing conditions. This ultimately prevents the risks of respiratory depression, as it’s mostly prevalent at high does of other opioid drugs such as Methadone.
Bottom line they are getting rich off our pain and suffering.. i quit cold turkey twice before from oxy and perks.. watch me quit suboxone for the first and last time!
I took my patch off today after 24 hours. It feels like the worst sunburn. It's weeping yellow pus and I feel sick. I tried this before Norco 12 years ago and had a bad reaction to it. So my Dr had me on Norco. New doctor decided he didn't care and put me back on it. Guess I'll just cold turkey everything on top of permanent nerve damage pain. (I wasn't put on butrans for any addiction but as pain management)
"Teamwork is great"🙄
Here's a 5 day update. Left that dr for a new one. Who said it's infected. I've got a pussing black square on me right now. She also said it doesn't make sense for me to be on this for the issues I have. Immediately reverted me back to what's been working.
I’m pregnant and have been finding myself needing more and more each day I so now I’m out of my rx a week early and my dr isn’t going to give them to me 😞
Thanks doc one question can you stop at 2mg espranor bup
Espranor buprenorphine is monoproduct, meaning it does not have naloxone in it. If your question is whether you can stop at 2mg espranor bup and not increase to 4mg and then 8mg, the answer is yes. If 2mg works to take care of cravings and withdrawal, then great.
yes 2mg is doable...all depends on your body and willingness to make it work ....
Anyone know if I’d get Suboxone if I have a low opioid tolerance at the moment (barely enough to have withdrawal symptoms). I have a long history of opioid abuse, overdosed multiple times, been on methadone etc.. I was clean for almost 2 years but have dabbled over the past month and I don’t want to fall back down that hole.
For me it’s more for maintenance and to reduce cravings if I’m able to get it
I haven't listened to Doc Holliday completely yet before I started leave a comment about the myths about Subutex myths. This so far is good stuff. Believe it or not there are a ton of pharmacist and doctors that don't know and how to prescribe this medicine dangerous it's not
Methadone did same to me. I cold turkeyed the clinic because my new counselor was drug testing me every week (supposed to be monthly random) to try to catch me dirty so when she found alchohol in my system it was over. She had my "level" reduced by 2 and of corse charged me for the dirty ua. I left never to show my face again, ddnt even want to taper for fear of the treatment I would recieve for doing so. Took a fat toll on my mental health and physical activity. Lost alot of weight and took me 4-5 wks to feel almost baseline.. Now I'm just here struggling to make it but I'm sure another week or two I'll be out and about looking for a job. As of right now I'm doing okay. Always feared getting off methadone but the clinic jacking up the price and having to pay for each ua like it was candy took a financal bite outta my already unhealthy wallet lol
I hear ya
Damn that sucks dude, and that's reason 500 why suboxone is far more sustainable..with most docs/programs that prescribe you suboxone you'd have to fail a lot of drug tests or have some really gnarly shit in your system to get treated that way and even then they'd make sure to give you a nice taper plan that isn't so drastic.
I'm so sorry. I hope everything works out for you. They gave me oxycodone for pain going thru chemo 2 years ago. I'm thinking about trying suboxone to stop the addiction to oxycodone. I'm scared shitless. I have constant pain still and in my early 60s.
I’m on my first 16mg a week buvidal .. can I still take a4mg buprenorphine ones in while?
Suboxone saves lives! Myself, I've been off opiates for about 5 yrs now. The only thing that it doesn't do for me is energy. I have very little energy which is one of the reasons I took opiates. I'd rather be alive with little energy than dead. I was not a social user, in fact, most people never even knew I used, my husband included but there have been at least 10 people that I either knew or were a friend of a friend or even a friends adult child that died from fentanyl/heroin use. So to the people in my life that say I just traded one drug for another, I said yes but I'm alive.
It is the lesser of the evil I say if it's helping you stay with
Good Lord! You make so much sense it hurts. Lol. We lost our beautiful 27 yo daughter exactly as you described: she was off the oxy for 2 months, lost her tolerance, and the cravings came back so she took her same old dose. She died in her sister’s bathroom putting on her makeup. She left behind a two year old son and a mother who became hollow. If she had been on Suboxone she would be alive today. Peace, AM
There IS one major possible downside everyone needs to keep in mind if choosing buprenorphine (subutex suboxone etc) .....Lets say you get in a car accident and desperately need IV pain meds? Well you are somewhat screwed being on this drug.....my understanding is they can NOT simply give you morphine or Demerol fentenyl etc ....it could really limit your pain relief options ....anyone here have actual experience THEMSELVES? (dont just quote something you went and looked somewhere up please....I want to hear from the horses mouth)
Been on it multiple times. 2 and a half years this time and I hate it. It definitely is replacing one demon with another but the second demon is way harder to quit and does affect your brain and health. Don't believe these so called doctor's. Around here most doctor's working the Suboxone clinics are rejects that have either gotten in trouble and was forced to leave the hospital or office they were at or malpractices. It's expensive and I can't find any clinic that takes insurance. just like you said if you need pain meds cause of severe injury you're screwed. I know one thing this guy lied about and that's about the injecting of Suboxone. Been there done that and yes you feel it and hell no it does not make you instantly withdrawal. last time I started my doctor not knowing my past told me that it is a miracle drug and I will have no cravings, withdrawals, and I won't get high at all. like I never took anything and he lied. I don't feel them anymore after 2 1/2 years my tolerance has cut out any feeling but that happens with anything you take for long periods of time. morale of this story. I'm an addict currently a customer of a suboxone clinic and it's the devil and the doctors prescribing it are it's demons doing the dirty work
@@dustinhebert8676 Jesus man I feel you. It takes real time to get off of this shit and who can afford to take months to do it properly ? My entire life is depending on what I accomplish when I move to Florida and have 3 or 4 months off work. If I fail I will be doomed for the rest of my life. The stakes are high. I have been working multiple jobs nearly 80 hours a week to start a new life next year. 18 hours away from home.
@@ember-x9o well bro. I wish you the best. One thing you always have to keep in mind when moving and starting over. I've done it multiple times but you cant run from yourself. No matter where on earth you move if you go there looking for drugs or trouble you will find it. Mentally prepare yourself as much as possible and slap anyone that says opiates around you. Oh yeah, don't break the law in FL. My first time in trouble there they sentenced me to 5 years prison. Gainesville, FL did that.
@@dustinhebert8676 actually I was on Subutex for a long time and yes it is changing one for another... But I stopped on my own with no help just by dropping to a minscule amount it wasn't that hard at all and I didn't miss work at all.
Fentanyl can sometimes break a buprenorphine blockade on receptors...rarely hydromorphone can too. However, many places will substitute pain meds for IV drip ketamine in emergency hospital situations for buprenorphine patients who need immediate pain treatment; usually with well tolerated results.
I have been in pain management since 2015 with degenerative disc disease. I have already had a C456 spinal fusion and I'm only 44. I have 3 herniated and bulging discs in my lower back, with one being prolapsed and a section is being constantly pinched. I have been on oxy's since 2015. I have never overdosed, have a normal family life thanks to my meds, that allow me enough relief to watch my son play baseball and help him some. I can mow my own yard and do some chores around the house. They put me on Bupre about a year ago to help me get through the nights without waking up in pain as much and having to get up to take an oxy. Now it seems they want me to come off the oxy and the pain relief from the buprenorphine is not enough. My Drs' wanted me to go to pain management in 2012, but I put it off to a little over 2 years later. Now it's getting to where I feel like I am being treated like a drug seeker because I want t go back to 50 mg a day from 40mg. I was on 50 mg for 3 years before I changed Drs. and did fine. I would take 3-4 on good days and 5-6 on bad days. I also suffer from frequent kidney stones and those days I could take 80mg if I had them, but I am left to suffer or take them and risk running out early and really mess things up.
I want to get off them I’ve been taking them for 2 yrs I want a safe way to come off last time I went into bad withdrawals and had a seizure!
Suboxone gave me a really stable life
I take 3 8mg a day subutex tablet . 2 in morning and 1 in evening . Its slot but still feels like not enough somedays .I feel lost.
So true , buprenorphine gave back my life,and even save me from replase ,many times, its just my fucking brain that can't forget the high,..
needle full of happiness, poke the skin and stick it in.
Try to do counseling, its true the desire, or the addiction isn't the whole problem, its your whole life, feelings and way to manage your life. Counseling is super necessary, it will help you to get to know yourself better.
@@gabbd.2795 ye..I think I really need counseling, even tho it's been over 6month I've been clean, I have no problem physically anymore, but I think I'm still very sick mentally,.my mood is always off, I do not enjoy or feel joy anymore in things I use do before.. I as I have said , I can't forget the high, the urge to get high or to fix again never faded away it is always there somewhere inside my mind..
@@biakguite1992 please i beg you to find a AA or Na place.. trust me that saved my life, do it every day, find a place with daily meetings, its even better if you go in the morning so that will change your day, trust me maybe you don't feel the difference soon, or maybe you do, I started feeling better after a month of going daily even twice per day, of course look for a good place because there are many where are just full of people that is not willing to make the changes, look for the right people that wants to change an that have been sober for a long time. You need a good and wise people around. But please do it. A big hug to you!! Oh and don't forget to GET a GOOD and stable sponsor, I had 2 cuz the first one was out of time and I guess she so I really needed the help, so she was honest and told another woman, I thought it wasn't going to work, she was 52 years old... and oh God!! She was amazing, cuz she had passed through the same things I was passing through... that was a miracle in my life.. 3 years ago, and don't get me wrong its a daily work but I know I'm stronger 💪 and more positive... trust and take action. My best wishes ❤ 😊
@@gabbd.2795 thank you so much for your advice, I really appreciate it .yes I will find a place for counseling and get myself counsel as long as it took and will surround myself with the right people..
Too bad it isn’t like this most places if you fail one test you’re kicked out if you miss one appointment you’re kicked out most places operate like this
yeah that SUCKS....buprenorphine SHOULD be totally FREE of RX! Just a non rx behind the counter drug you get from pharmacist who adjusts your dosage....like in Canada is my understanding ...the US is REALLY screwing this up! BIG TIME!!
I stopped my tramadol and vaping habits but I can't stop smoking b marijuana and my doctor wants to take my Suboxone away😭😭😭😭 but it's the only other thing besides Ativan that helps my extreme anxiety that I've actually had before my opiate issues
Huh. That blows. My sub doc practically encourages cannabis use. He doesn't penalize it at all.
@@dylanparr6880 yeah this doctor really sucks because I went into a hospital setting they put me on Suboxone to get off of heroin hardcore heroin and it only took that doctor a week to get me off I was on Suboxone only for 4 days and the rest of the three days he had me on ativan I had zero withdrawal symptoms after he cut me off of everything, this doctor has been giving me suboxone for 2 months and I just found out that depending on how long you've been taking the Suboxone it takes half of that time to get over your withdrawal symptoms. Nevertheless I told that doctor to kiss my arse, and I will never touch Suboxone again the tramadol withdrawals were less I would rather just keep smoking my MJ, she always knows how to make me feel better anyway. Well nevertheless I ended up going cold turkey on the Suboxone and it literally took me a month for the withdrawal symptoms to go away and I'm still having severe anxiety, even after all of the physical and mental withdrawals are gone I'm left with a heavy feeling of dread and anxiety like something's going to happen and I can't get rid of it I'm thinking I might need to go on some kind of anti-anxiety medication because not even the MJ's helping with that but I think it's the very end of the withdrawal symptoms I think I'm still having subtle symptoms, like yesterday I felt like I was 100% good I was cleaning up the house everything was great I was happy and then today I woke up with the feeling of dread and not wanting to do anything and my heart feeling like it's pumping out of my chest, but all I have to do is remember this too shall pass, and with that sick that I have gotten from this I hope it's enough to deter me to never want to go back to opiates again. God bless brother and I hope you have a wonderful weekend. 🙏✝️🕊️
Been on subs for 5 years and I’ve no desire to use and now have a normal life.
i took two days of sbuoxine 6 8-2 mlg strips total 5 days ago . and now i cant feel my percocets
I would say to Blake Fagan, MD, that it is a myth that one cannot "get high" using buprenorphine/suboxone, as he says. The high is definitely more subtle and different than a full agonist opioid/opiate, but one can get a mild euphoric effect. The "high" is almost not worth pursuing do to it's weakness, though. Suboxone has saved my life, and I greatly appreciate this myths video! Now, Dr Fagan, please learn about ibogaine, get on board, and do all you can to bring research and usage of this near-silver-bullet medication to Americas opioid crisis!
For those who get prescribed this drug for smaller habits, suboxone is sometimes the best high they've experienced in their lives.
@@Syne111 Not exactly meant for those without a legitimate habit. Someone with a minor habit could easily maintain on 1-2mg but I bet they hand out 8-24mg instead 🙄
@@Weather_Nerd ANYBODY, regardless of their addiction, can maintain on 1-2 mg a day of suboxone. Yet Drs prescribe far more than that to make the damn drug companies money. After researching this, I had to ask to reduce to 2 mg/day, and my Dr was resistant!
Yeah it's helped me but it's had some downsides too with making little interest and things I once was interested in low libido serotonin levels are still not where they need to be but all in all I can't complain. I was on oxycodone 10 mg five times a day. I had an accident and had a tree fracture my skull in two places and break my neck back shoulder and hip all at once let's not forget about the teeth
does anyone know if you can take suboxone sublingual film if it's expired like 5 years??? I'm about to take my last not expired sub right now.
this is very interesting i was prescribed tec but another dr prescribed nerotins which i found out is a dangerous cocktail
He still said as long as it benefits the patient how long is that why is it so har for anyone to answer how to get of suboxone what if you don’t want to take anything anymore
bupe is the main thing in prison....i guess because we aren't exposed to anything for periods of time our tolerances goes down . and i see a lot of inmates stright up strung out on .2 to .4 of bupe either directly placed on the eye ball or uo the nose ...either way it scares the shit out of me watching theses guys sick ass all hell from such a small amount .
Bloody hell!On the actual eyeball???
I've heard of snorting bupe, {not done it} but on the actual eyeball? that's insane.
Such 'small' doses too.... 16mgs a day feels like nothing.. but I have heard that ''Less is more'' with bupe?
@@Oakleaf700 the eyeball!!!!!! Lol yeah man it is sick bro I would never do thatbshit man lol I'm Afraid ill get a orange film over my vision for life ....be stuck in bupe vision lol yeah man lol less I'd more . Bupe has a ceiling effect and u cant od from it sobits a weird one bro ..I'm sire if hate 10000mg u be dead but that's not what iam saying lol . In prison bro u are stripped of anything things and don't get the vitamins and ahit we get iut here and man honestly 2mgs would have me nodding out drawing pics in my cell lol smh.
@@dabsindeeddabsindeed7205 I'm very new to bupe {in Europe it's a tablet without the subutex... The films...I can't even visualise what size they are..the thought of sticking one to an eyeball...{was it inside the lower lid?..the thought makes me ill to be honest!
Definitely heard that ''less is more'', ..Didn't realise that they were capable of even causing that -lovely- 'nod' feeling.
But they are a strange drug.
Having had a ''Vitreous detachment'' in both eyes no way in hell would I want to risk my vision any more.
I bet they sting like crazy, too.
The extreme conditions of prison probably gets people to try anything, though.
Especially if someone comes in withdrawing.
A woman I knew of in America did die of complications brought on by sudden WD...her health was not good, and she tragically died and the guards did f&ck all to help her.
Roxanna Brown..Ceramics expert.RIP.
@@Oakleaf700 yeah man it's a trip . It was under the upper eye lid and the other was on the lower . .it literally done nothing diff man ...it is just some people think taking it to the extreme for what ever reason lol . But yeah my cell mate told me it was the same as mixing with water and dropping down the nose .....bro people hang up some down of the bunk and let another man pour a liquid bupe mix straight down the nose lol . Yeah do not try it buddy I should have said that earlier lol . But u sound smart enough to get that lol . U get subutex here or the films or the pills . And yeah people have died from prior health problem and going in to shock from the withdrawal can affect ur heart's rhythm and if u have prior heart issues then yeah u can for sure die lol .
I'm trying Subutex now but can only get it to last up to 9 hours.
Has anyone experienced sublocade injection then used an opiate? ?
Definitely a life saver tho
Ive been an opiate addict for over 10 years..ive done it all including years of IV heroin fentanyl...im on 2 8mg suboxones daily and most physicians dont know diddly...this guy does...fo sure!
I don't know if it's Suboxone made me severely sick for my stomach
Why because im about to take it what did it do to you
Awesome video.. the harsh reality is getting off subs was a total nightmare for me. Maybe the first 3 days of withdrawal weren’t as hardcore as quitting opiates but the withdrawal from suboxone lasted for many months. Just complete misery.
My advice is quit the Subs and use Kratom instead for a couple months and then quit the Kratom. Quitting Kratom is also difficult but it’s way easier than quitting opiates or Suboxone. I’ve been dealing with opiates/subs on and off for 10+ years.
Highly disagree, kratom caused far more issues for me than suboxone ever did. Everyone is vastly different, for some people being on suboxone is far better for them than being on kratom everyday.
Kratom gave me seizures (I'm not prone to them and was taking literally nothing else at that time), it caused my hair to fall out and it's short acting. It also started causing a lot of anxiety for me and the list of problems could go on, It can help some people and I'm glad it helped you but it's not a miracle plant and people need to be aware of the potential risks.
Obviously it isnt nearly as bad as heroin (which I was on for almost 6 years) or pills (which I was on for 2) and I do think it should remain legal but heavy kratom advocates are damn near delusional, some of them going as far as denying that kratom withdrawals even exist...
@@mongogojjo5944 hair loss is pretty severe for Kratom users. I think people are just figuring this out.
Clean 2years now.I was addicted to morphine IV to a maximum of 80mg in 24hours then I was started on suboxone which I managed to taper to 1mg daily by assumption since I used to split the 2mg tab.Then there's this doctor in a clinic in Kenya who gave me some powder to boil and drink when I was feeling withdrawal from suboxone .....I drunk that herb once and from that day I never felt any withdrawal or any craving for any opiate.Almost now 3years clean.
Chris could u tell me the herb i am professional about to be tapering completely off did it once before I thought I was dying
I love subutex!!!!! Saved my life!!!
Really glad it works for you :)
How long do u wait before u start subutex
@@hadessly9122 Depends if you are taking a long acting opioid or a short acting one.
Google Bernese method.
I transferred after over 30 years daily use of methadone &c... There is lots of info online about transfer.
It is nothing like methadone or any other opiate..I hated it initially {but now nearly 8 weeks in} it's not so bad..
Good luck if you decide to give it a go.
@@hadessly9122 Many clinic's will make you wait a couple of days till your sick or just feel like crap. But it's not necessary, you could start at any time. It depends on what there going to do. Detox you first then prescribe Subutex, or put you right on Subutex. That's do able . I have been taking Subutex for pain for 15 years or more. So I do know quite a lot about this subject. I was not a drug addict. I intervened before that happened. I am sure that I am dependent on buprenorphine by now. It depends on the person, the doctor, there's many factors involved !
Wait until you actually injure yourself on MAT and realize how partiality antagonistic it really is it actually makes u feel better that your really not on a strong opiate @ all. That encourages you to get off it faster I'm being dead serious
Can you explain more ease? I'm not understanding exactly what your trying to say.
What exactly do you mean by "Wait until you injure yourself on subs(mat) and realize how partially antagonizisitc it actually is"
What is partially antagonizisitc? What does that mean and how does it effect me not ally and in regards to a injury as you say.
Are you saying that If I'm on subs right now and get injured am I going to be in more pain or less pain than normal?
Or are you just trying to say that if i get injured on subs I won't feel the opioids they prescribe me?
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Suboxone gets you high. These Dr has never taken any
If you're opiate naive then yes, it dosen't do shit but make you feel well if you have a tolerance to opiates
Suboxone has saved my life and my husband. We have just straight buprenorphine, no naloxone.
He said it; let me reverberate-
" Should be used short term".
Whatever that may be for each individual.
Be aware though, MAIN PRIORITY OF MODERN MEDICINE IS $$ PROFIT $$$$$$_$
That being said, dependant on Suboxone is better than being hooked on full opiates.
Awesome, thank you!
Maybe our recovery community can get with the programn and quit perpetuating stigma
Society wins when addicts get their shit together, one, by the newcomer quiting and two, when the recovery community quits playing doctor.
Become a Buprenorphine Waivered Practitioner allows qualified practitioners to dispense or prescribe buprenorphine for the treatment of opioid use disorders (OUD) in settings other than opioid treatment programs (OTP), upon completion of specialized training.once they are certified to do so. Not all M.D.a as you are certainly aware of are or bother to become so. It is becoming more prevalent thank goodness but, intact I believe you should place bullet in that part of your video for clarification*
Fact is I had at least somewhat of a life finally able to use MS Contin, and then using AVINZA (I am NOT a drug addict).
With time release Morphine Medicine worse than criminally, inhumanely, taken from me. Morphine Medicine that was NOT at all handed to me on a platter, that I did NOT get handed to me on a platter also the working dosage, and now only option given being Belbuca- I have no life once again.
I have already been down this road, all this stuff they now have which everyone seems to think is the answer to my Pain- well they refuse to hear the factual words that it does NOT work!
That I should compare things that does nothing- as in DOES NOT WORK, to that which DID WORK- giving me at least somewhat of a life- finally feeling like I had somewhat control over my somewhat of a life I call it due to NOT being where I once was- my somewhat of a life I had to fight through a daily Hell for- NO I AM NOT A FOOL, STUPID, OR A SUCKER TO WHAT IS FAR WORSE THAN WRONG!
Which brings the common sense point (which my father who is 90 years old- not stupid- and the point he also thinks there is a great lack of common sense these days). Why am I punished in the this so called UNITED STATES, first for some strangers illegal drunken driving I had nothing to do with- nor my friends- other than illegal plastered drunk driver in a truck caused head on collision- caused for us deaths- and my ruined life, and now again I am being this time punished for the illegal wrongs of drug addict strangers. The drug addicts who mostly use street drugs the most, which I have nothing to do with their actions of street drugs- or even if they get somehow use Pharmaceutical Medicine, heck again strangers I do NOT even know- for whom government people ruin my life for- which tells me with simple common sense applied- the fact that the so called united states government cares more for the lives of drug addicts, than the lives of us people who happen to have a Severe Chronic Pain Illness (don't even begin with the excuses- for I am NOT at all an idiot, nor a sucker to nonsense excuses)- the somewhat of a life I had to fight through Hell/torture/suffering way too long to even make a smidgen of sense- to finally get any relief from the- ONE TYPE OF MEDICINE THAT TRULY DOES WORK FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE WITH A SEVERE LONG TERM PAIN ILLNESS/SEVERE CHRONIC PAIN ILLNESS (i.e. OPIATE/OPIOID MEDICINE)- that these people who have done this to us people with a Severe Chronic Pain Illness do NOT have a bit of common sense about any of it- the Pain, nor the time Opiate/Opioid Medicine, time release Opiate/Opioid Medicines!
Responsibly used Opiate/Opioid Medicines (mostly Opiate) for 29+ years with not one measly problem- which literally saved my life after far more than 10 years of Hell daily constant Pain- was losing my mind from daily constant Pain I have- that nothing else worked then or now- not able to use the one thing that did work (I would learn more than well- Opiate/Opioid Medicine does work for a lot of us people with Severe Long Term Pain Illnesses), yet they do this all to others with Severe Long Term Pain- and myself again- all for nothing- unless you count government corruption/money.
I have NOT yet even talked about the same old negative Opiate/Opioid Medicine lies they now tell again. Negative lies I know for a first hand proven fact are NOT true at all in relation to us people who use Opiate/Opioid Medicine for Severe Long Term Pain Illnesses. That they are now telling such lies again about Opiate/Opioid Medicine. Which is truly an evil- and sadly done in this so called united states.
The whole bit of suing the Pharmaceutical Companies for the wrongs of drug addicts, who the Pharmaceutical Companies did NOT force to use Opiate/Opioid Medicine who did NOT need it, just like how they now torture us people with Severe Chronic Pain for the illegal wrongs of others we have nothing to do with, yet the judicial system does NOT help us at all- corruption all in on the corrupt government deal). Where there is no more real government, just a bunch of evil doers!
Beware people also- of the fake TV Network News. They also- are NOT at all for us North American born Citizens.
The Pharmaceutical Companies, and the rare few real Doctors who helped us people with daily, constant Pain, did nothing wrong using Opiate Medicine, they saved my life (saved the lives of thousands of other people, and notice the news talks nightly about drug addict over-doses, but says nothing about the people they killed with a Severe Chronic Pain Illness for nothing, and due to taking working Opiate/Opioid Medicine away from us based on corruption evil and lies; and I would not be here if I did not have my struggle with my belief in G-d, i.e. I know about suffering- and have to worry would I get even worse- and they will not understand this struggle of course- nor care about the 3 times NOT at all to do with Opiate/Opioid Medicine my death could have happened like the flip of a coin- still wonder why I am here- not lucky either with how we are treated- the point what for- and why I believe people whose body's are messed bad- should not be kept alive for how we are treated- just common sense in relation to this evil system), but of course this so called united states only cares for illegal wrong doers, money, and evil doing. They do NOT care at all about innocent people who have a Severe Chronic Pain Illness, as why else would they be giving us drug addict medicine for nothing- nothing we have anything to do with though treated as such- if they did truly believe we have a Severe Chronic Pain Illness this evil garbage would NOT be done, but they do NOT believe us- they have gone in a full circle right back to the 1980's decade, and prior decades to the 1980's where they just leave us to suffer and die (it is like a for real time warp right back to the 1980's).
After 41 years, in days now, of this Long Term Pain Hell scenario. I am NOT a fool, I see well the truth of all of this, I feel it daily, constantly! I do nothing much to keep my Pain as low as possible, and now only getting useless non-working crap, and done all for absolutely nothing we have done to deserve this worse than a crime. Therefore being nothing that we deserve in this so called united states- that is no more (what said here, being NOT at all in reference to President Donald Trump, Vice-President Mike Pence, and a few other Conservatives who tried, but unfortunately the communist, New World Orderist, traitors, are winning the internal tyranny/coup of many angles to completely destroy the real UNITED STATES, that much of it is now already gone).
Opiate/Opioid Medicine (MS Contin, AVINZA, MSIR ROXY- is a literal G-d Send, a literal Miracle Medicine, a literal Life Saver, yet they do NOT care- do NOT care about us people with a Severe Chronic Pain Illness. NO, they do NOT care at all! Why do they let other people use other Medicines that they must take daily, and could not just stop using- would have to slowly reduce to using no more (though there is an expensive route where they put you under and detox your body in one whammy for Opiate/Opioid Medicine), but the point is- not only is Opiate/Opioid Medicine bad-listed for nothing, but also us people with a Severe Chronic Pain Illness are bad-listed/bad-treated, treated like drug addicts though NOT at all a drug addict, we are shunned, etc.
They have no idea what it is like to want to live, and yet want to die, in a senseless existence due to others in this so called united states, who have power, repression, control, threat, torture, and slaughtering over you.
But they will pass united states laws real quick for the suffering Pain of terrorists who desire, and act hoping to take North America completely off the map, yeah go figure this truth! But they do just the opposite to us innocent born North American Citizens suffering with a Severe Chronic Pain Illness.
This so called united states, where the government clan acting communist- medically tortures North American Citizens for nothing, has somehow quickly forced the old negatively lies about Opiate/Opioid Medicine back being told again, and happily tortures us people with a Severe Chronic Pain illness, some again like myself, and all for nothing (unless a person counts the sinister wrong directed spoken excuses).
(somehow they also seem to still think, that a person can get use to daily, constant Pain. Pain that prevents doing things you even have a great desire/want to do- that nothing else is preventing you from doing such)
Go figure- does NOT figure!
Statistics show 70% of opioid addicts started with prescription medicines prescribed by a doctor in a office setting. Very soon they were addicted to the drug and that’s how you brain and body work with opioids. It’s science not common sense or whatever the fuck you are talking about here. My life was ruined because I got legal heroin ( opioid medication ) prescribed to me by a doctor and then by the time I was done with my script I was already addicted. So yes, the life of addicts fucking matter probably not to you but they do to the majority of the people in this world who have a little bit of knowledge about what they are talking about. You sound fucking ignorant and to be really honest with you, you are probably addicted to this stuff too and sounds like you are just pissed off at the world because you can’t get your legal drugs anymore. So sorry but not sorry, get your facts right before talking.
Get some help, just saying it how I see it dude you need it bad.
Lmfao, I have a feeling you typed this high on meth
What???
I just want to know what chronic pain you suffer from.... But like the person stated above. Chronic pain can quickly lead to tolerance and addiction.
Another myth... suboxone helps cravings....
It does if you take it right
Only if the doctor isn't using you I appreciate what my doctor did for me I do not appreciate my doctor keeping me on it I tapered myself down and quit then she tried telling me I needed some other addictive medication no I do not
I like this guy ....
Take some suboxone Dr. Then tell people it doesn't get them hi. After you wake up from nodding off that is
I must admit I find them the fall of living without with Subutex, words like abstinent, I think when people clean up they forget their and they marry their journey on to that person
Ive changed my life because of the help this gives me. I have no desire to ever use again. The problem is if your not insured it cost soo much to get help.. that’s the sad part for people that want the help.
Thank you doctor for putting this video up I get tired of people saying that suboxone is the devil or your weak cause your on it
Saved my life, treated for crushing & degloving of my arm in a machine & Buprenorphine gave me back, my life, and its a normal one, since 2009, It saves lives, did for me, managed my pain great & I have had zero, issues, it works!
Ive taken it 24 hours with out using and it threw my in bad withdraws
Yeah if u take it too soon after using opioids it can make u sick. Just avoid using and stick to the subs and you'll be fine man. Good luck
Is it dangerous to inject with heroin and take buprenorphine at the same time
Buprenorphine is a lifesaving drug
Okay hey there tell me a little bit about it did it stop any chronic pain
@@daphnepierre6246 yes
Im alérgic to it
You are what is the side affects
Is is too dangerous to inject into veins thats supposed to absorb under tongue.. Im highly concerned!!
Buprenex is an IV formulation of it. Used in vet medicine and surgeries (animal and human)
But the pills...people do inject them and they're certainly not made for that. It collapses veins extremely fast. And if you miss, an abscess is almost guaranteed. There have also been hand, leg, and arm amputations from people trying to shoot subs.
But. You are mostly correct. But it definitely gets u hidg. That's why they get addicted to the subs.
I wasted a lot of my life I and very fortunate that I decided to get out and thank God for this medication it has changed my way of life thank you
I been on subs for 2 years now but I sleep into 5 pm everyday
this is a seriously good life changing drug, Transdermal patches provide 7 days pain relief, or, opiate cessation.
It's too bad the transdermal formulation isn't indicated for MAT or replacement therapy here in the US. Butrans and the buccal films(belbuca) are written almost exclusively for pain management.
Myth. Suboxone doesn't get u high.
Fact. It will give u an excellent buzz. Just a lesser of 2 evills
@Marvin 100% correct
This should be top comment!
Not really when you’re maintaining on
12 year sub user here
2yrs on bupe. I don't care what anyone thinks about it. If people wanna do it without subs thats your choice but it certainly wont change what I do
Oooh he's an officer. Oooooh
Buprenorphine such as for chronic pain control. Sad they are trying to force this on us. Bad for pain control (dont work as good as traditionslal opioids) & buprenorphine is very addictive compared to traditional opioids. Its had to tolerate buprenorphine for pain control due to extreme sedation. It's only good for opiate abuse treatment, but not as good for pain. So why are they forcing buprenorphine on to intractable and chronic pain patients. Buprenorphine is extremely expensive scam to force patients off traditional opiods that are safe and effective & force ppl to take this problematic drug.
I agree 1000%
I want to go back on suboxone but I can’t bring myself to do it but I’m Miserable
If you'd give the other opioids/opiates in a fashion as you do subs its the same , subs little better being a partial agonist. Still less cravings definitely not "no cravings" , if you haven't a script your still putting yourself at risk, and yeah you can obtain a high/buzz . If a diabetic lived in a world without insulin they'd live a hard and potentially short life, if a opioid/opiate dependent lived in a world void of such chemicals well they'd live a normal lifespan for their genetic make up... now a opioid/opiate addict in world void of such things would go looking to the next mind altering substance.
Can I walk away from Butrans
Pain Management doctors are pushing this on people that do NOT have an addiction.
That is sad...I know in my area pain specialist cant prescribe it..it has to be a certified Dr or Np in a behavorial health setting not a Dr.s office like it used to be..I do know some years back 2013 14 and 2015 lots of pain specialist in Indiana went to prison or lost their license for over prescribing opiates...or they prescribed them with benzos which is highly controlled...we had one in my city they called Dr Dealer...
It is also a good pain reliever Jennifer, he should have said its not just to help people get off more habit forming opiates x
Chronic pain sufferers should get this instead of the more addictive opiates from the offset IMH, x
They have formulations specifically for pain management like Butrans (patches) and Belbuca (buccal films). Some people even get just the plain Subutex tablets. However....I would definitely agree they're not as effective as regular opioid agonists (oxy, morphine etc.) In the majority of patients. But-- there are pain patients who are happy with it.
I was given this when I had no addiction.. I was taking 100mg oral morphine a day and ran out.. Was barely even an issue, I was just a baby about it. I should have been given 0.25mg of bupe over a week and been done with it.. Instead they prescribed me 8mg a day, 32x the therepeutic dosage. Fast-forward 1yr and now I have a drug problem! Suboxone!
@@Williamthehedonist Subs are extremely habit-forming. Don't kid yourself.