Treating Acute Pain When Buprenorphine is in the Room
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- Опубліковано 19 сер 2019
- Buprenorphine is an increasingly popular alternative to long term opioid use, with a lower risk profile. But how to safely manage acute pain episodes in patients who are receiving buprenorphine therapy? Clinical pharmacy specialists Foy and Uritsky discuss…
Its sickening and tragic how the Healthcare community now treats every chronic pain sufferer as a drug addict. They see your history of narcotics and instantly red flag you and tell every other hospital and doctor NOT to give you anything. Even dentists now won't give you any pain killer. Lol now they call motrin and tylenol "Painkillers" to try to confuse you... My dentist even said "even if you have surgery, we wouldn't give you any narcotic... Thats our policy now due to the war on drugs."
Actually I was forced to have a spinal surgery before given any opioids, only paracetamol afterwards. Less than a year later my pain came back to stay. Prescription grade NSAIDs don't even touch it now but just 30mg codeine would have saved my life if I could just get it without having to visit the doctor almost every week for refills (there is no paracetamol free codeine and they aren't allowed to have more than 300mg per package while it's still prescription only and my doctor won't prescribe more than 20 pills). The weekly lecture I get on how I should use Gabapentin instead (I will never put this shit in me) just adds to the suffering and my rage towards the medical community ripping people off while they are still suffering!
@@Sketch1994 I am so sorry you're being gaslit and punished for having pain!! It's awful what you've gone through 😥 I had 2 dentists tell me just 2 weeks ago, to my face that they value their license over my pain and suffering, and that it's their policy to take care of themselves first before patients needs. Seriously...
It’s absolutely criminal how insurance company’s are treating chronic pain patients ! they are dictating how much pain medication they will fill I am filing lawsuit I’m done being treated like a fking criminal §, have been on pain meds for 26 years or more and I have never had a issue ever, our chronic pain support group has lost over 20 people to suicide because doctors have stopped prescribing them and they were bed ridden and in severe pain!! Somethings got to give or I will lose everything my jobs very physical and without proper pain meds I will lose the job.
And your dentist wouldn’t cut my mouth without pain meds he can stick his policy up his ass . I agree with you ! It’s a shame how we are treated I have fibromyalgia and faucet joint pain in my back
Couldn’t agree more after being on high dose of opioids for over 15 years because of the “opioid crisis’” I’m now on Suboxone and in constant pain
On top of that now I’ve sustained another injury and going to the dr is a complete waste of time as they won’t do anything for you at all
A few months ago I had a kidney stone and went to the emergency and I happen to be in a room with someone in for the same reason
Right in front of me they were offered and given oxycodone for the pain and I was given nothing
It’s absolutely disgusting what they have done to us they might as well dropped us all off on a desert island
Amazing. In story after story, patients tell of having their chronic pain medications withheld by hospitals, flat out refused even if they are the patients own prescriptions. Then also refused post-surgery opiate analgesics. Slamming the already hurting patient into withdrawal on top of the pain that put them into the hospital. So then you have a patient in complete deterioration and also panic and rage, having to fight for their life and fight the staff of the hospital, having to make threats and demand patient advocates, trying to leave the hospital so they can at least resume their regular chronic pain medication. If these are your recommendations, do not delay in getting them out there, because people in pain are still suffering, medically deteriorating, and suiciding every day.
Brigid They want us dead. No other answer.
Here "we have NO. such problems.. and free treatment too. The above.. USA?
Thank you.
Was on bupe for many years, of course you definitely do develop a tolerance
Yea as soon as she started with that crazy tolerance statement I was thinking “ok. Here we go again” It’s no mystery why there is not more research on long term use on this medication that has been around over 60 years.
It works fantastic for CRPS. It wasnt designed for it but it turns out the patches calm the central nervous system. I've tried everything and oddly enough this is the best treatment.
I take it for crps too! 24 mg , it helps; i can walk now. Still got the burning, ect though..
I was just prescribed this today to take along with my pain pill to help manage my RSD-CRPS. How long did it take for you to get pain relief?
Wow that's great to know!
I have CRPS and on alot of hydromorphone. My doctor wants to switch me to buprenorphine
i recently had an accident(still can't walk) where with fractured bone on my foot and pretty much all the top skin coming off,had to undergo 2 surgeries..and let's just say it was really painful..but all they give was a diclofenac shot like bruh...they didn't even wanna give me tramadol when i asked them, which is relatively weaker and less addictive than other opiods...i mean i understand the risk of opiods addiction but aren't we suppose to use them when patient is clearly in a lot of pain, lots of advancement in medicines and i think that we should make use of it bruh... stop treating opioids like a poison, addiction doesn't usually start from using opiod due to severe pain no and it wasn't even chronic pain,1 shot of opioid and i would have a lot easier time...and since the doctors were busy with other surgeries..i had to wait like 4-5 hrs with a broken bone and torn off skin before i went to operating room, with a shot of diclofenac
Don't be fooled... Buprenorphine withdrawal is on par with heroin withdrawal!
Good point; I would argue it’s worse. Last much longer, and because of the enormous half-life, substituting with any other exogenous opioid for maintenance is impossible until you’ve gone through at least five days of full-on withdrawal. It’s also just as addictive, in my opinion, although less euphoric, obviously.
@@johne.nobody2946 How did you wean off? my withdrawal was nothing compared to regular opioid med's but and it's a HUGE but! I went slow really, really slow I mean taking it down from 16mg over 9 months to mere crumbs of maybe 1/32 or less of a milligram. Hell if you go from 8mg to 4mg to 2mg or even 1mg and stop expecting no WD then your the fool. I do not get the people who jump off at 1mg or higher and think thats a low dose. Gotta go slow
Agreed if not worse because of the amount of time
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I have b,een prescribed bupre for years for arthritis pain. However when the pain pointed to hip surgery the bupre had little effect on the pain. However I could not take stronger meds because I needed to work. When it cam time to induce pain meds just prior to surgery the Dilaudid had no effect. When they found out I had been taking bupre for years (but not the week prior to surgery) they immediately went to fentanyl....that worked. However post surgery, the Dilaudid again had preactically no effect once again. I had to to triple the dose of Dilaudid (with surgeon permission) to get post-op pain relief. I was so happy to get back to bupre.
Recent mental health studies show bupre patients score higher on mental health indices than geberal population. In my case this is true. My outlook and expectations are greatly improved with bupre. I just feel happier. Diluadid and fentanyl definitely did not have this effect.
Tried this for pain management. No opioid tolerance. Went into a black out and was almost arrested. Make damn sure if you take this for pain you work slow and go up. Make sure someone's with you that you trust. Could've lost everything I owned.
P.S.
It's a civil rights violation to not have your pain managed. If they take your meds contact an attorney. Then get a second opinion from out of network pain doctor. Take that to your pcp. When that doesn't work. Take them to court
Currently taking a low dose and found it to be not effective at all.
Been on subutex since 2008 from being on a trial at Columbia/Presypeterian and it still works on my pain. Yes I take a very large amount 32mg a day but so what? over these years I have developed tolarence as all opiates can do but the point is it is working. The analgesic ceiling effect is BS I can attest to that. Yes low dose even a patch for opiate naive patients but long term? No you will need more plus when I had my hip replaced they used hydromorphone along with my buprenorphine and surprise! it did over take the buprenorphine and provided relief then-back to just buprenorphine. The take away I hope people understand is two fold-buprenorphine is a pain killer and if one needs post op pain relief, an additional strong opiate will work in conjunction-one does not need to stop their bupe.
You made more sense than these dr.s
I can attest to this. I also take another partial antagonist everyday along with my Bellbuca & Bellbuca potentates the other. It does not cap off analgesic effects its heightens them.
@@HANA-mw1rf Thanks, I do not know how they came up with this ceiling effect. First off pain is subjective. During my trial they had this "cold pressor" test where I held my arm in ice water until I could no longer take it. I'm thinking wow this is BS so I say "subjectively" first off it does not last 8 hours on pain, more like 4 to 5 hours and second, I take a high dose and yes it still calms my pain. "ceiling-schmeiling!"
Agreed
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I’ve been on opioids for over 15 years, several failed back surgeries, then a T-8 to L5S1 fusion (scoliosis) with rods and 28 screws. The opioids don’t help anymore. I just moved to Arizona from Chicago a couple months ago and found a new pain dr who suggested I try this. I see him next week and after hearing from many patients who switched to this and says how much it helps I’m gonna tell him I’m ready to try it. For the first time I’m actually a little excited to try a new medicine. God I pray it’s does the trick and i get relief.
I’d make sure you can get your opioids back if it doesn’t work
Myself I have similar injury’s and I find it does not work for pain, it is better than nothing but I’m in a world of pain now and of course I can’t get my opioids back now that I’ve switched
Mabye you can get it in writing?
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How's this crap working for you Steve???
It's a God send, 4 blown discs and without it I'd be in bed 24/7
She says you don't develop tolerance to bupranorphine?? That's a Croc of crap
Buprenorphine doesn't reduce my pain, if anything it increases it..I've been an addict for many years and I don't understand why it makes me feel worse ?
I was in a clinical trial of bupe for pain patients and left on 24mg and did very well, in fact I thank God for it. I stopped very slowly and took a year off but pain led me back. Over the years I needed more and I am maxed out at 32mg 8mg four times a day and am still getting pain control. After two major surgeries i used only the bupe and did not take the oxy's they gave me because I knew it would not override the bupe.
Does thes pain medication they are speaking of control pain???? Been with same Dr 15 yrs. I have complained monthly about pain for the last 2 yrs, fell on deaf ears. Had physical last month. Dr ordered RA test. Normal range 14 or less, my number came back at 70 1 have been taken 4 10/325 oxycone for atleast 10 yrs. At today's appointment she decided to change me to patch. I am afraid. this medication may not work,, maybe it will.. help me??? All help is truly appreciated
I have been a chronic pain suffer for 20 years and with no hope for a some what normal life . I got a new pain doctor and he started me on this medication buprenorphine . I have a new life!
I was mad because I was not on it sooner! There is got to be a down side taking this drug, that know one is taking about.
I don’t hurt, out of pain, I am great full for that.
on buprenorphine since 2008 and when I needed extra pain relief after a hip replacement, they added hydromorphine for a few days along with the bupe and it did the job. I am trying to reach other sufferers to give bupe a chance and encourage doctors to do the same. It is not just for the addicted! Besides, heck anyone on opiates who over a few months are surprise! addicted! or at least physically dependant on the drug, What is killing folk is street drugs laced with fentynal and that is a shame that people are forced to do that rather then given a chance to try bupe.
Buprenorphine is just as hard and requires a much longer period of time to come off of it. The withdrawals are protracted and intense. I don't understand why this information is not given to patients.
Well my question is if it worked for pain why not use that to start. I'm on 10 mg of oxycodone 4x a day. It started to wear off im in more pain. So they added thus. I feel comfortable but I'm short on my pills so I was only taking 2 last few days I ran out. I think I will only need 3 pills. So not sure whats the best route to take. I will always be in pain unless I take med's. These doctors abuse patients. Get them hooked. They doubled my dose of pain med instead of just giving an extra pill. Now I'm hooked for life. But at least the butrsn font make a person high n allot safer. How has things been n what are you on and what illness do you gave. I have arithis n degenerative disk diease.
Did you switch, from a narcotic pain killer?, & what was the switch over like, if you did? I’m so happy to hear you are feeling, so much better! Wish me luck!..🤟🏼🇨🇦
@@KristineMarieTxSPI because they're dope dealers
Really? I spent 38 years working on the concrete. Walking. Miles per day. I'm on 16mgs per day for another reason. My ankles are shot along with my back. This does zero for pain. Wake up. Maybe I need 100 mgs per day?
Are it helps with pain to the degree Tylenol does
I don’t know why they keep saying this works
I'd rather just ween myself off morphine and take nothing after, than go on suboxone/ buprenorphine, & b addicted to another opiate ,I tell my doctor no ,ain't gonna happen, I refuse
Exactly. These pain doctors put you on a long half life opiate agonist that doesn't even work (for me it didn't) and you are in their medication handcuffs because it's almost impossible coming off of those meds, from everything I've heard and researched.
It's not the same I promise you can't OD on suboxone that's the difference and it doesn't make stoned and dopey and stupid
Buprenorphine actually does help me with my chronic pain. I have neuropathy and I was suffering from horrible pain. I was put on drugs like OxyContin and fentanyl which did nothing for my pain but did get me horribly addicted. I was put on buprenorphine and it's had tremendous benefits for my pain.
No matter how you do it you could still even if you were gona wean yourself off without anything still have buprenorphine there for every few days just to make it a bit easier and more bareable. There would be nothing wrong with this. If i was in charge of a facility for getting people onto substitute meds then reducing i could absolutely do this with some sucsess i feel but that's unlikely to happen.
I went on it for two years from a clinical trial and it worked well. I slowly went off 16mg down to "crumbs" over 8 months and the WD was a piece of cake. I stayed off for over a year but my pain syndrome led me back. I feel absolutely okay on it-not like regular opiates which I felt like a zombie on. Yea Bupe!
Hi
I've been on for 4 years 24 mg and it's as if my pain receptors have amplified...
I bump my elbow and it folds me over now and I'm no wuss I worked on building sites from.when I was 16 to 26 till my I couldn't cope with life.
it's scary because I used to just get on with stuff, now an earache cripples me I can't even think and I'm on one of the strongest pain killers and dosages going?
is this normal?
I been on a lifetime of opioids and now on bupe and I definitely have some form of hyper awareness to pain now
I’ve tried to get answers on what has happened but can’t
I’m guessing after so long on opioids your body stops producing it’s own natural opioids since the pills are supplying it then when u stop taking it synthetically your body runs at a negative just like steroids for example
This sounds a lot like Opioid-induced hyperalgesia (OIH). This can sometimes happen when taking high dose strong opioids for a long time.
I’ve read that sometimes actually decreasing the dose (or sometimes stopping, but I get that is totally unrealistic if you are in severe pain, so I’m not advocating that) you’re on can actually reverse this. The good thing to know is that OIH is very much reversible. Might be worth taking to your doctor about. I hope this helps (:
@@Elto98 thank you good information
We're all different so no one read this and get scared
If i am only on .25 per or 1/16th of a 4mg dose per day of buprenorpine & Naloxone will Fentanyl still work? Or will opioids still cause withdrawal?
Yes the Fentanyl will still work and no, you won’t go into withdrawals.
@@kathybroom7536 I appreciate that, I have had kidney stones in the past and I was worried that I am putting myself at risk of having an episode and no options for pain relief. Thank you.
@@carycase5563 I am on 600 micrograms of Belbuca (buprenorpine)) twice a day. (Every 12 hours. It is a patch that you place on the inside of your cheek)
I am Also prescribed 10 milligrams oxy. 3 time a day for breakthrough pain. The Bupe binds the opioid receptors stronger than full agonists like Fentanyl, oxy, morphine etc.but low dose buprenorphine (Belbuca) leaves some of the receptors open so full opioids will work. But.... there will be a ceiling effect.
So if you taking more than 1 or 2 milligrams of Bupe and take Fentanyl, Oxy, morphine or even street narcotics in high doses, you are just wasting it because if the ceiling effect. Belbuca’s highest dosage is only 900 micrograms. which is less than 1 milligram.
I have never had any side effects from taking Belbuca. But I have a fairly high tolerance. I was on 40 milligrams of extended OxyContin and 40 milligrams of regular Oxy. For a total of 80 milligrams a day. But then when they cracked down on pain management doctors.
It’s almost impossible to get that much anymore. I have to jump through so many hoops to to get what I’m getting now.
But the belbuca really does help with my back and knee pain.
I think a lot of the bad reviews is because you don’t get high off of it.
I guess some people do t think it’s working because it doesn’t get you high.
@@kathybroom7536 In 1982, i broke my back in 6 places in a motorcycle accident, I have nerve damage in my legs, 8 screws in my foot, my left chin bone is permanently fractured and need to be replaced. In the last 4 years I had 7 surgeries (shoulder, knee, foot, stomach, kidney stones), so i went on oxy about the highest dose allowed with cyclobenzaprine and it worked well. I went off of it because I want to be present. What helps me now is going to the gym regularly. I still have lot's of pain, but i am making strides to cope with it each day. I have been off oxy since mid February and still no cravings since day 1. I think the reason is that because I really wanted my life back. I didn't enjoy being a slave to pills even if i thought they were helping me. It's a paradoxical situation with pills, and a harsh reality, pills have huge side effects that are deal breakers for me.
@@carycase5563 Wow! You have been through a lot. Yes my doctors have said to be as active as you can. My problem is that I overdo it. And then can barely move for the next 2 days.
So this time I’m starting slow.
Swimming really help with my joints.
Also I take Gabapentin for nerve pain and restless legs. I wrecked my Harley. I was lucky. Cracked ribs, collapsed lung and a few stitches in my head. I hope you can find some kind of pain relief without that foggy feeling. Belbuca has really helped me. So far, I haven’t had to increased the 600 microgram dosage.
They stopped making buprenorphine-only tablets , didn’t they? That was subutex. I have back pain and take suboxone, wish I could take subutex instead.
They still make it
@@aubreyodom468 where , South Africa, l? It’s Suboxone with out nalaxone
OK. But, what do we do when we need surgery and have acute pain that suboxone simply isn't going to work on. Yes, I'm sure it works well for opiate naive people. But, all you're doing for a suboxone patient is taking them back to baseline.I don't think the medical community has answered this question sufficiently.
When I had hip surgery I took bupe and hydromorphone but a very high dose of hydromorphone and they worked just fine together, This is a myth that you cannot take regular opiates while on bupe-you can but need a higher dose. I'm living proof and when the acute post surgery pain was done, I stayed on the bupe.
@@glenbearh9109 you are very lucky. Most people who have addict on their medical record don't get much. I just had surgery a month ago and was given 10mg oxy every 8 hours. So, 30mg a day. My bupe dose is 24mg a day. I told them it didn't work at all for the pain I was having and was more or less told too bad. They didn't do anything for me. So, I went through post op with nothing but Tylenol and my normal bupe dose. It was miserable. I wasn't even allowed to take motrin because it can make you bleed more.
This was exactly what they were saying … you continue the Bupe AND take a higher than normal dose of pain med .
It works for my joint pain. That's all I know. And it's useless to take a lot of it because it has a ceiling effect. Better than being dependant on hydromorphone or something like that
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What about the withdrawal that is nearly as bad, if not as bad, as opioid withdrawal? I've been on buprenorphine for 7 years now because I can't get through the absolutely debilitating agony of getting off and leaving my receptors raw. There's no buprenorphine for buprenorphine if that makes sense. Kratom has potential. Still so much better than being a slave to opioids.
@Cager Carter (Omg, I'm an idiot. I didn't see the end of your comment. XD Either way, all the rest of what I said still stands)
Look into using Kratom for getting off of it. I'm going to start doing this myself because I want off of this drug and Kratom seems to be the only thing that's allowed people to actually do it with minimal to no withdrawal, and as long as you do it responsibly, I've seen MANY UA-cam videos from people telling their stories of how it saved them from being a slave to the long term effects of either Buprenorphine or Suboxone (which is still Buprenorphine, just has nalaxone added to it).
If you're willing, because I'm looking to start as soon as I order my first batch (I've been on the fence about which kind I want to use), I'd like to talk to you about your own experience with this drug and what it's done to you physically as well as mentally and see if I'm right in believing that this drug has done me more harm than good. Also, should you also choose to do the Kratom taper route like I will be, might make it easier to trade notes on what works and what doesn't.
We don't have to suffer in silence anymore. I've decided I'm finally ready to kick this drug to the curb. I just can't do it anymore.
Plus, from all that I've seen and read, the withdrawal from Buprenorphine is way worse and takes 3 times as long no matter what way you go about it. 😒
Just a word of warning about Kratom, as I don't want anyone going through what I went through.
Since the tree that Kratom leaves come from are located mainly in Indonesia, they have very lax methods of insecticide usage. My husband is a chemist, and when I was taking Kratom (I thought this was my miracle) started losing hair by the handfuls. My husband took samples and they were found to have arsenic, which was causing my hair loss.
If you find a reputable company (I thought mine was very reputable), then I wish you the best, but be careful.
@@KristineMarieTxSPI these chemicals are also in hair color , in case you color your hair
@@vhenan2341 It’s a living hell the withdrawals
I’m on suboxone and I hate it I’m in pain all the time it’s not good for pain I have night terrors sleep Paralysis and so constipated I can’t poop this stuff sucks don’t let them fool you
I use Phillips colon health pills. They are expensive but I “ go” everyday. And yes I take Suboxone. Sometimes I need a stool softener but not that often. Hope that helps
💯 I’m in same boat
Try Kefir and activia together with blended banana and welches grape juice for gut health. Have them put you on simple opioid treatment traditional meds like Anything but the synthetics
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Can I stop my buprenorphine take full agonist opioid for two days then continue Suboxone after those two days without getting precipitated witdrawl from taking buprenorphine after a full agonist .
It depends on how much blue you are taking daily. The higher the dosage of bile you take, the longer it takes to get out of your system.
It it is a high dosage of bupe and you take an opioid, you will just be wasting the opioid. The bupe will override it
I think the lady with curly hair is sleeping ..lol
This is absolutely propaganda. Say NEVER to bupe for pain
It’s so they can pretend they’re doing something now they won’t give opioids
Another doctor torturing their patients. Another doctor that should be prosecuted.
They knew what would happen, yes people are under medicated and it's sickening.
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@drinkwalter9346 i searched but didn't see anything
Nothing treats pain better than a drug that makes you tweak out in a horrible way
How does it make you tweak out?😂
Nothing that makes you feel better instantly is god for you! It sucks because what are recovering addicts supposed to do when In pain?
Try meth
@@ashleywheeler6517 They are talking about caffeine affinity to bond to adenosine receptors and fight for the receptors ability to feel pain. All stimulants do it the stronger the better. Beware do not F around because chances are if your in pain your spread addicted to one medication but that said try a huge pot of strong coffee n see if your pain is still there....No huh...your welcome.
I take subutex (buprenorphine)for lumbar spine damage/chronic pain and I believe that pain doctors think better of you if you aren't taking a schedule 2 drug like oxy, methadone,morphine when your imaging/pain charts says you could be.
Who cares wat the doctor thinks about you
@@cptings3396 Lol, my thoughts exactly while reading this comment.
@@cptings3396 exactly. most doctors have no empathy.
They are scum they withhold proper pain relief and lemme tell you if it was there child or mother they wouldn’t make them go 1 day without a proper opioid
I agree with the other comments, but I do understand. The medical staff are human and they can "label" you and you can tell by certain side comments, body language, etc. I'm watching them like they're watching me. It's my life, so I'm ultimately in charge, although they make you think they have "power". My God has the Power.
All the studies that the used WERE FLAWED and inaccurate!
YEP! I'm looking into using Kratom to get off of this drug. Done a lot of research and, as long as you do it responsibly, Kratom seems to be the only way to do it without being in agony from the withdrawals that are way worse and last so much longer than regular narcotics. It's disgusting the way they herald this drug like it's a long term cure all when it's anything but.
Absolutely. This is complete garbage.
This medicine has ruined my life has ruined me. I was given this for pain management I wish I never did.
I've tooken this suboxone since 2012 now im on 8 milligram twice a day now 2020 I've wing myself down to one 8 milligram tablet or less its tooke awhile but I'm someone like you just start taking less god bless you praying n a peaceful surroundings help ,god blessyou😇😇
Life w the loceys..why may I ask?
@@peacebuntoyou255 yes, why ?
Why ? What happened ?
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I took 160 mg Oxycodone one time 7 days after my last dose of bupe and it worked just about as I would have taken 20 mg Oxycodone in a normal situation. God I have thrown away lots of oxy, morphine, codeine mm because of that barrier. Tramadol, Tapentadol and ketobemidone could be used without any problems. Tramadol is very weak but the other to are potent like oxy or morphine. Well well, I'm on 16 mg suboxone now and it works very good!
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Buprenorphine is not a true analgesic anymore. It's used to punish chronic pain patients who get a permanent black mark on their medical record. Suboxone is addictive and going to eventually be discouraged, hopefully.
I can’t speak for others but I know from my own personal experience from being on 20mcg Butrans for 6 years that you can develop a tolerance. Too much data has been altered to make this medication fit into an easy to prescribe box. The conversion factors don’t even take into account the half life of immediate release opioids. Patches should be changed every five days instead of every seven. The politics of pain meds hurt too many patients.
It is addictive it’s just a partial agonist, if u take a low dose u can abuse it easily.
Everyone I know who's been on this says it's harder to kick than the Roxy.
Good to know I'm done with em it's been a week don't wanna have any dependence and this is coming off of fentanyl
@@collinhall8987 good for you. Any advice how to get off fentanyl patches Someone wears for chronic pain prescribed for many many years… if to switch to suboxone Is this possible? Thank you
@@angie4justice yes ma’am I’ve actually been in treatment the passed 5 months clean off all substances for me I had to check in an impatient facility they offered suboxone I said no they gave me Lucemyra took it for about a week it helped withdrawals didn’t eradicate symptoms must be serious about getting clean love ya good luck sweetheart
She is absolutely wrong on so many levels. This is presented as factual, which is scary. Sorry to anyone who makes any decision based on her grammatical fall down a flight of stairs.
Super glue also has a good binding effect
Was on bupren.and it works. Then moved to another town and different doctor who won't give it to me, she put me on suboxone that doesn't work. Have severe hip joint osteoarthritis, RA all over, hands twisted. What the hell is wrong with these doctors who have power to leave you in pain day and night. It's really sick for doctor to be like that.
I know an online vendor that sells , it’s been the best I’ve had , they sell other psychedelic products that helps with depression and anxiety like magic mushroom, lsd, MDMA , I get mine delivered discreetly to me , that’s the best way natural way to cure pain of any sort is to go all natural and it cures addiction
*Formulah11*
ER gave me fentanyl for a severe burn while on subox
My local pharmacy must have got sued because i think they can't sell the good stuff anymore. These patches are better than nothing but make me feel like tramadol headaches. Oxycodone is better but potential for abuse is higher.
You don’t need to keep upping normal opioids for pain. They act in the same way when used correctly for pain, it’s only the euphoria and mental effects that really diminish as fast as people so often claim.
no matter how they are used after time the body becomes used to them and tolerance to most of their effects is raised, therefore the dose does need increasing. There is down regulation of receptor sites
Not everyone gets a high or euphoria from opioids. Many but not all.
Buprinorphine is really pretty shity. For pain.. lol. What now? Hate it..
doesnt really touch pain , placebo effect maybe a tiny bit more.
Sorry but it doesn’t work vast majority. So accept that and then find a solution opposed to speculating and spreading false sales pitch’s on UA-cam. You’re both narcissistic and I hope your arrogance and false confidence doesn’t destroy too many lives
Let’s hope they too get to live with a illness there’s a treatment for but someone withholds it and offers them this instead
@@realtruth245 Absolutely. There is a special place in hell for the doctors, pharmaceutical companies, and regulatory government bureaucrats who what to be the almighty power.
@@niemdan ya it’s too bad they can’t live in hell here like we have to
No thanks these ladies are full of it
Funnny how I could tell immediately 👍
Uhhh you do build a tolerance with buprenorphine lol
Not everyone no. Read through the comments. Not everyone gets high from opioids either. Many but not all. Billions of us share 99% DNA but diff biochemistry etc.
What is said is untrue. Massive headache, vomiting etc. Withdrawal is extreme. It is an antagonist, though billed as a partial agonist. Listen to them. Methadone or Iboga. These people are dea. Use opioids for chronic pain. Buprenorphine is now being refused filling by pharmacists. The euphoria for Buprenorphine passed years ago. As did Suboxone,another bad idea.
Pain
Suboxone is a miracle
Shame on you
Not true buprenorphine is very addictive and is 30xs stronger then morphine at the correct low doses
You don’t feel shit on bup.
I say no to buprinorphine
You should be ashamed.
Them and every other doctor
Subs are best taken short term...any longer and you'll wish u never took it...stuff stays in your system for a very long time which causes withdrawls to last much longer than norco/oxy etc...and that's even with low doses trust me this is coming from a guy that only took 2mg daily for years even when i weaned down to taking less than 1mg daily i just couldn't get pass the withdrawal feeling i finally said screw that stuff used kratom and norco to get off subs i just couldn't see myself withdrawing for months which is how long it can take coming off this stuff..don't get me wrong if you use it short term you'll be good but long term? You just might end up on it forever or a very long time!! So def be careful when listening to these docs most dont know shit but what they're being told by other docs or what they read in a book..IMO NO ONE SHOULD USE 8MG OF THIS STUFF DAILY I HAD HELL WITH 1-2MG FRFR!! IF YOUR LOOKING TO GET OFF NORCO USE KRATOM FOR 3-4 DAYS TRUST ME IT WORKS NOW IT WILL DEPEND ON YOUR HABIT BUT YOU'LL BE OVER THE WORSE PART BY THEN WISH I WOULD'VE DID THIS YEARS YEARS AGO..NO TELLING HOW MUCH CASH ID HAVE
@Tbone42tx where did you get your norcos tho
@@stayathomedad4830 actually I get mine from a pain doc or if you can find a good source in your area(mean get real ones not fake fentynal crap) do that! The Norcos helped me wean off the subs and the kratom helped me to not need as many the Norcos...I still take the norcs occasionally as I got a bad back and went back to work few yrs ago so I still need um here and there I just had to get away from Sub's at one point I thought it was a miracle drug..boy was I wrong, I guess it is to anyone that doesn't mind the fact you'll be taking it for a very long time if not indefinitely
@@stayathomedad4830 but I'd definitely recommend it to take over herion fentynal etc as least then you'll get ya life back and actually have money but I wouldn't take 4mg-8mg at once on a regular basis I had a very bad habit 15+ norcs daily and never needed 8mg at once that's how strong that stuff is