Wow, so the little com tower being damaged was what really caused the tower abort? That seems like it'll be one of the easier fixes SpaceX will have to do to ensure booster catches going forward. Thanks NSF!
This is so packed with news, it feels like an Encyclopedia flashed before my eyes! Thank goodness for NSF, because I can't keep up these days. Special kudos to Chris Bergin for making it happen.
I think this also highlights a good reason why Space X needs multiple towers (and are building a second one currently). With multiple towers, they are less likely to need to cancel a landing - which is essential for landing starship with crew or cargo.
Goofy weird music but super relevant ear jewelry from Elysia once again 😃with a show packed full of news. Thank you Elysia for presenting and NSF for compiling the news.
It's always the heat shield. We've been working with engineered solutions... I wonder if there might be a scientific solution? I've worked in both contexts and when science takes on a problem there is much more clarity for go/no-go.
Fusion reactors use a magnet bottle to control the plasma. I wonder if there is a way to create a magnetic field around the base of the vehicle to keep the plasma and its heat from cooking the ship and booster engines.
To prevent boil-off, the orbital fuel depot needs a sun-shield like the James Webb telescope. Layers in the shield are not parallel, re-radiated heat is reflected out the sides. It is refrigerator with zero moving parts, achieving cryogenic temperatures using the icy blackness of space and insulating power of vacuum.
Seems like the ultimate fueling station would be on the moon. Oxygen and hydrogen could be made there if enough water is found - is there a potential source of carbon??
Problem in Earth orbit is that the Earth is a massive source of infrared radiation. JWST is at L2 so that the shield can block the Sun, the Earth and the Moon at the same time.
Yes please, it was really hard for me to listen to the (otherwise excellent as always) video with that specific music in the background. Super distracting
The music is a low enough volume I can ignore it. Much better than most videos of anything. Maybe they can put the music on a separate track and allow the listener to select what they want to hear as they do with the Starbase updates, ambient noises soundtrack only or excellent narration included.
ok the background music for this was not the best, how it kept pitching down and pitching up wasn't great as it felt like a horror movie and was distracting
I mean,,, the music was background noise, the point of the video was the information, you focussed on the wrong aspect, please desist in being a moaning ass snowflake and recognise the fact you may have had enough internet for 1 day! Take a nap babe!
@@michaelcox1071 actually there's a population of people who experience neuro-divergence and for whom their brains process audio in multiple channels with equal volume regardless of the volume externally to their brains. They don't willing hear it that way, it's just how their brains process audio. It's a bit like you looking at the world as if you're looking at it all through a kaleidoscope and having no control over the mass of colours that you see. Maybe instead of calling people "snowflakes", try learning about auditory processing disorder which is often associated with ADHD. Perhaps you'll even learn that there are humans out there who are different to you who have skills which make them incredible people. Then again using the term "snowflakes" indicates a limited unintelligent window on the world. But that's not you huh.
Tower B may have an upgraded communication tower to use as a backup until a larger dedicated communications tower that handles communications from all the launch pads is built. (Pad C, D, E…🤷🏻♂️)
What's the most effective way(timing) wise to get to Boca Chica to catch a Starship flight if I'm coming from Des Plaines? Is there any forums for out of town/states tank watchers to discuss in?
another great week in space flight great work NSF Team, personaly i think spacex and elon needs to do what they do best do it completly differant lol no tiles or some tiles and they need to make some sort of spray on heat shild not only would it save time and wheight but would make overall prodution faster just a idea, almost like the stuff they line truckbeds with but space grade, later ya legends have a great day filled with rockets
Will they need a new licence for flight 7 given its a repeat of this flight? Could they go higher up for a more aggressive re entry? Like 1000 km apogee?
A minor gripe but very very minor, that percussive music loop in the background that kept slowing down was awful & very off-putting, apart from that thanks for the detailed update as always tho. Elysia is awesome, so professional & ultra competent, never a tripped word or forgotten cue, just spot on at every leval.
- Move your camera waay back and zoom in; this will be much more flattering to your presenter. Portrait photos are always taken with lenses at least double normal focal length.
At what point in the video was there music playing while Elysia was speaking? I went back and listened to several segments. The only music was in the intro segment and she was not talking. Please include a time index.
@@michaelcox1071 We're not talking about the usual iconic NSF music (which is fine), we're talking about the weird music playing in the background from 0:42 to 11:22
"May have even been a breach of the hull." But no, no breach occurred as that would have breached a tank resulting in a loss of fuel or oxidizer for the flip and burn landing maneuver.
I wonder how many of America's allies have expressed an interest in using Starship? Also, assuming Martians will not be building chopsticks for us on Mars, will there be a terrestrial demonstration of landing Starship without chopsticks? Can SpaceX reduce costs enough to make commercial spaceflight feasible?
Landing Starship without chopsticks was done years ago in 2021. Remember SN15? You may not have been watching developments in Boca Cica back then, as many of us were since Starhopper days. Google it, watch the vid.
@@ale131296 I only see a statement about an "aggressive angle of attack" - in this case, the low angle of attack [even negative] - believe me, that is the CORRECT aerospace description - I do not see a statement (which would be incorrect anyways) about a high angle of attack. It is seriously embarrassing from someone who should know better, but that is young ones nowadays. But - for some reason, the graphic used for the Starship is at 180 degrees from the direction of travel. As can be seen from the cloud motion, it moves tip-forward, so the relative angle of the tip to the base is the attack angle. Correct me on any of this, but I will not hold my breath, as I know how to be painstaking.
@@VicariousAdventurer That's on the current version of the webpage. Prior to launch it said and I quote "The ship will also intentionally fly at a higher angle of attack in the final phase of descent, purposefully stressing the limits of flap control to gain data on future landing profiles." end quote. Not only that but during SpaceX's live coverage they said this multiple times too, check what they say at T+01:01:12, then again at T+01:01:17, and then at T+01:03:56. Kate Tice even says "we'll have a higher angle of attack, meaning we're gonna be flying nose down basically" and then "We will be, as Dan said, we will be dipping down a little further and really be flying nose first. This higher angle of attack, you know, we're intentionally doing it to stress those aft flaps and that will help inform the limits of flap control in order to collect data for future landing profiles".
@@Barthhhelona Nope, no words eaten. Look at how the angle of attack is calculated - it is with respect to the motion. Traditionally, we have mostly forward motion, and a dip of the nosecone below the direction of motion is a negative angle of attack, with a high angle of attack being a raised nosecone measured from the direction of motion (assuming the aircraft is in its normal upright flying position). If instead we consider a downwards direction of motion, a horizontal craft would be at 90 degrees, but pointing the nose downwards would be a less than 90 degree attack angle. In both situations, the angle of attack is decreased, not increased. The invariant is that the nose dropping == lowering the angle of attack, whether the direction of motion is forward, downward, or somewhere in between. I remember during the first flight - a separation, when the Starship is not firing, will not happen if the booster continued firing. Thus I concluded, later confirmed, that the stage went out of control (also it was only 35 miles altitude, not 65). So, errors have crept in before from people who are no doubt good at their jobs, but maybe not grasping dynamics, as I had to do for my education. Anyways, anyone can look this up, and I do not want to argue or otherwise waste more time with people who either will not look this up or comprehend the simple geometry of the definition. At least SpaceX edited their content; they should be very rich in people who are good a dynamics. Here, it is most stable with a 90 degree angle of attack when following downwards, this maximizes the drag. In an airplane, it would kill the lift and generate a stall. A lower angle of attack might be good in an airplane, but the drag is lessened and the forward motion increases, causing a challenge for a craft that relies on drag. This is in contrast to an airplane, where this might be a part of the recovery from a near-stall. This was probably the origin of the mistaken terminology: In an airplane, a high angle of attack is associated with a loss of lift and control, but opposite considerations occur here. The mental shorthand is my guess for why journalists often use common but wrong terms like "machine gun" for assault rifles and, recently, ICBM for IRBM.
An Australian senate overwatch committee was recently embroiled in debate over government's cuts and their military's need for upgraded military orbital communications platforms Could there be a connection?? Some Aussies want to be war ready. Others want to use the Ladies bathroom 😂
Why are they taking so long to get too space then the moon..I think I would die before we see a moon base..then on too Mars .. NASA is so slow..Space X needs to go it alone..they would do a better job 👍
NO, Musk will get there first. however the Chinese will have a station on the south pole, the back side a with radio telescope, and the side facing the Earth before the USA can agree on who builds it.
@yotg6902 well I watched it on TV along with the rest of the world. It was tracked by tracking stations around the world. There are photos of the landing site taken by satellites orbiting the moon. Rocks and regolith were brought back and examined by scientists. Eye witness accounts from 18 astronauts. So, I believe it happened until evidence proves otherwise.
So Elonovich Muskavite is finding out TPS is just as hard now, as it was way back in the 1970's. The Physics hasn't changed in 50 years, & its highly unlikely to in the next 50 ! "Smartest Man on Earth" 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Thanks for using UTC time. Much easier for us global viewers.
Wow, so the little com tower being damaged was what really caused the tower abort? That seems like it'll be one of the easier fixes SpaceX will have to do to ensure booster catches going forward.
Thanks NSF!
Elysia nailing it as usual. She's such a catch for NSF.
She's great!
Thanks! & thanks for the UTC (0:35)
This is so packed with news, it feels like an Encyclopedia flashed before my eyes! Thank goodness for NSF, because I can't keep up these days. Special kudos to Chris Bergin for making it happen.
I think this also highlights a good reason why Space X needs multiple towers (and are building a second one currently). With multiple towers, they are less likely to need to cancel a landing - which is essential for landing starship with crew or cargo.
Finally getting a good picture of what's coming. Very exciting!
Buoy cam is insane
That their splashdown is so accurately calculated you can pinpoint the spot across the globe. Truly impressive
It's fun how the heat shield sprouts these little "sideburns" as its border gets more complicated. Sideburns on a Starship... Starburns!
Saying "Blue Origin is getting ready to launch New Glenn soon" is analogous to saying nuclear fusion is only twenty years away.
“Work continues on the OLM”
"Boeing are working the problem".
Same with SLS lol
Don't worry, it'll totally launch in 2 more weeks.
How crazy is it that 2 of the best engines out there are designed by the same person TOM MUELLER!!!
Not Raptor, but Merlin and SuperDraco thrusters!
@@ankanbasak1488 oh yeah, I meant Merlin and Deneb ; )
@@xtuskay Oh, sorry! My bad!
@ no worries mate.
Every one of the NSF crew absolutely killed it with the footage for IFT 6! Bravo everyone! ❤
Goofy weird music but super relevant ear jewelry from Elysia once again 😃with a show packed full of news. Thank you Elysia for presenting and NSF for compiling the news.
Hi from Central Florida! Excellent video and flow. Well done!!!
It's always the heat shield. We've been working with engineered solutions... I wonder if there might be a scientific solution? I've worked in both contexts and when science takes on a problem there is much more clarity for go/no-go.
The science people turn to the engineers.
Fusion reactors use a magnet bottle to control the plasma. I wonder if there is a way to create a magnetic field around the base of the vehicle to keep the plasma and its heat from cooking the ship and booster engines.
The weight and power requirements would be very high. @mikegardner107
Damn, those Ship earrings are so awesome.
Are there any starship jewellery like tie clips, cufflinks, bracelets, and rings?
I appreciate your coverage!
Elysia for the win!
Finally ! Strar Ship Earrings🤓! They Look Great on You !
To prevent boil-off, the orbital fuel depot needs a sun-shield like the James Webb telescope.
Layers in the shield are not parallel, re-radiated heat is reflected out the sides. It is refrigerator with zero moving parts, achieving cryogenic temperatures using the icy blackness of space and insulating power of vacuum.
Could it get too cold? Would need some sort of active mechanism
Might not be so easy in LEO, I suspect active crycooling will play a part as well as insulation.
Seems like the ultimate fueling station would be on the moon. Oxygen and hydrogen could be made there if enough water is found - is there a potential source of carbon??
Problem in Earth orbit is that the Earth is a massive source of infrared radiation. JWST is at L2 so that the shield can block the Sun, the Earth and the Moon at the same time.
Love the starship earrings!
Hooray for Starship. With Heavy Booster:)
Good content and Elysia is awesome as always but please do kill the plink-plonk background music!
No it's iconic!
Yes please, it was really hard for me to listen to the (otherwise excellent as always) video with that specific music in the background. Super distracting
The music is a low enough volume I can ignore it. Much better than most videos of anything. Maybe they can put the music on a separate track and allow the listener to select what they want to hear as they do with the Starbase updates, ambient noises soundtrack only or excellent narration included.
Thank you for good review and status. Some places talk and don't say a lot. You did a good jump, just the facts Ma'am. D
ok the background music for this was not the best, how it kept pitching down and pitching up wasn't great as it felt like a horror movie and was distracting
The music was fine. Not what I would have chosen, but fine. There seems to be a sub-population of snowflakes that are melted by background music.
@ nah
I mean,,, the music was background noise, the point of the video was the information, you focussed on the wrong aspect, please desist in being a moaning ass snowflake and recognise the fact you may have had enough internet for 1 day! Take a nap babe!
Yeah i found it super goofy lol
@@michaelcox1071 actually there's a population of people who experience neuro-divergence and for whom their brains process audio in multiple channels with equal volume regardless of the volume externally to their brains. They don't willing hear it that way, it's just how their brains process audio. It's a bit like you looking at the world as if you're looking at it all through a kaleidoscope and having no control over the mass of colours that you see.
Maybe instead of calling people "snowflakes", try learning about auditory processing disorder which is often associated with ADHD. Perhaps you'll even learn that there are humans out there who are different to you who have skills which make them incredible people. Then again using the term "snowflakes" indicates a limited unintelligent window on the world. But that's not you huh.
Thanks team NSF
Tower B may have an upgraded communication tower to use as a backup until a larger dedicated communications tower that handles communications from all the launch pads is built. (Pad C, D, E…🤷🏻♂️)
What's the most effective way(timing) wise to get to Boca Chica to catch a Starship flight if I'm coming from Des Plaines? Is there any forums for out of town/states tank watchers to discuss in?
Awesome update! Thanks!
1 segment of SRB has been done looks like about 6-12 months for the 2nd, wouldn't want to overwork the engineers
Thank you
I think all versions of starship would benefit from ion engines. For small maneuvers and maintaining orbit. Would save on fuel in the long run.
another great week in space flight great work NSF Team, personaly i think spacex and elon needs to do what they do best do it completly differant lol no tiles or some tiles and they need to make some sort of spray on heat shild not only would it save time and wheight but would make overall prodution faster just a idea, almost like the stuff they line truckbeds with but space grade, later ya legends have a great day filled with rockets
Crew or passengers? They went up and then came right back?
Will they need a new licence for flight 7 given its a repeat of this flight?
Could they go higher up for a more aggressive re entry? Like 1000 km apogee?
I would like to see them build a FalconX
A minor gripe but very very minor, that percussive music loop in the background that kept slowing down was awful & very off-putting,
apart from that thanks for the detailed update as always tho. Elysia is awesome, so professional & ultra competent, never a tripped word or forgotten cue, just spot on at every leval.
Best news ever!
Do the mission to moon and back… then have spacex meet in orbit to bring astronauts back to earth…
Then land both in ocean
I was going to say that engine kind of looks like a Raptor.
Can’t believe ABL is leaving small sat launch too, they were supposed to be the one.
- Move your camera waay back and zoom in; this will be much more flattering to your presenter. Portrait photos are always taken with lenses at least double normal focal length.
Perfect landing
So a small group of 6 boosters has done over a third of the booster landings. I hope they immortalise those workhorses.
What happened to the tower?
Comms were out after liftoff
Antennas busted by engine plume most likely
What's up with the weird background music, lol.
sounds like menu music for a crappy Nintendo game
Great! Ad Astra!
At what point in the video was there music playing while Elysia was speaking? I went back and listened to several segments. The only music was in the intro segment and she was not talking. Please include a time index.
0:42 to 11:22 and 18:20 to 24:39
@@noahw3261🤷🏻♂️I think there may be music there but the volume is so low I cannot detect it at all most of the time.
I was going nuts because I thought to be the only one in the comments to have noticed that strip of missing tiles during landing
is this music new? it's disconcerting
The music is really distracting
No, its really not.
Depends on who you are. For many of us, yes, it is distracting.
@@michaelcox1071 We're not talking about the usual iconic NSF music (which is fine), we're talking about the weird music playing in the background from 0:42 to 11:22
Awesome news. Background music lol
Love your earrings!
2025 is going to be huge for starship.
"May have even been a breach of the hull." But no, no breach occurred as that would have breached a tank resulting in a loss of fuel or oxidizer for the flip and burn landing maneuver.
That location is in the payload bay section and the landing burn is done with the header tanks which are at the tip.
How about doing entry burn like f9 booster
How can they use cold gas to cool down the ceramic shield ?
Without ceramics, just steel, in this case.
Now that they mention it, it seems like a no brainer not to send a steel ship to the rust planet after all….
If the nose was lower on the ship's decent through the atmosphere, doesn't that mean it had a lower AoA rather than higher?
Another excellent video by the crew of NSF 👍 🚀
This intro is impressive
There is also a long march 2c rocket scheduled
Starship won't need to be orbital for the 1st catch, if they complete the launch/catch tower in Florida first.
They're not completing that in two flights time. I can already assure you of that
Great job as usual, Elysia
Excitement not guaranteed! 🤣🙅🏿♂️
Why SLS?
classic Optus
I wonder how many of America's allies have expressed an interest in using Starship? Also, assuming Martians will not be building chopsticks for us on Mars, will there be a terrestrial demonstration of landing Starship without chopsticks? Can SpaceX reduce costs enough to make commercial spaceflight feasible?
Landing Starship without chopsticks was done years ago in 2021. Remember SN15?
You may not have been watching developments in Boca Cica back then, as many of us were since Starhopper days. Google it, watch the vid.
Will see
Someone does not play with a flight simulator - the forward tip being lower is a lower angle of attack, not a higher one.
Then go to SpaceX and correct them, that's what THEY said and what WE put on the video.
@@ale131296 I only see a statement about an "aggressive angle of attack" - in this case, the low angle of attack [even negative] - believe me, that is the CORRECT aerospace description - I do not see a statement (which would be incorrect anyways) about a high angle of attack. It is seriously embarrassing from someone who should know better, but that is young ones nowadays. But - for some reason, the graphic used for the Starship is at 180 degrees from the direction of travel. As can be seen from the cloud motion, it moves tip-forward, so the relative angle of the tip to the base is the attack angle. Correct me on any of this, but I will not hold my breath, as I know how to be painstaking.
@@VicariousAdventurer That's on the current version of the webpage. Prior to launch it said and I quote "The ship will also intentionally fly at a higher angle of attack in the final phase of descent, purposefully stressing the limits of flap control to gain data on future landing profiles." end quote. Not only that but during SpaceX's live coverage they said this multiple times too, check what they say at T+01:01:12, then again at T+01:01:17, and then at T+01:03:56. Kate Tice even says "we'll have a higher angle of attack, meaning we're gonna be flying nose down basically" and then "We will be, as Dan said, we will be dipping down a little further and really be flying nose first. This higher angle of attack, you know, we're intentionally doing it to stress those aft flaps and that will help inform the limits of flap control in order to collect data for future landing profiles".
Ouch, looks like that guy could have held his breath after all lol. I love when people act so confidently and then have to eat their words.
@@Barthhhelona Nope, no words eaten. Look at how the angle of attack is calculated - it is with respect to the motion. Traditionally, we have mostly forward motion, and a dip of the nosecone below the direction of motion is a negative angle of attack, with a high angle of attack being a raised nosecone measured from the direction of motion (assuming the aircraft is in its normal upright flying position). If instead we consider a downwards direction of motion, a horizontal craft would be at 90 degrees, but pointing the nose downwards would be a less than 90 degree attack angle. In both situations, the angle of attack is decreased, not increased. The invariant is that the nose dropping == lowering the angle of attack, whether the direction of motion is forward, downward, or somewhere in between. I remember during the first flight - a separation, when the Starship is not firing, will not happen if the booster continued firing. Thus I concluded, later confirmed, that the stage went out of control (also it was only 35 miles altitude, not 65). So, errors have crept in before from people who are no doubt good at their jobs, but maybe not grasping dynamics, as I had to do for my education.
Anyways, anyone can look this up, and I do not want to argue or otherwise waste more time with people who either will not look this up or comprehend the simple geometry of the definition. At least SpaceX edited their content; they should be very rich in people who are good a dynamics. Here, it is most stable with a 90 degree angle of attack when following downwards, this maximizes the drag. In an airplane, it would kill the lift and generate a stall. A lower angle of attack might be good in an airplane, but the drag is lessened and the forward motion increases, causing a challenge for a craft that relies on drag. This is in contrast to an airplane, where this might be a part of the recovery from a near-stall. This was probably the origin of the mistaken terminology: In an airplane, a high angle of attack is associated with a loss of lift and control, but opposite considerations occur here. The mental shorthand is my guess for why journalists often use common but wrong terms like "machine gun" for assault rifles and, recently, ICBM for IRBM.
SpaceX needs a floating trash can in the Gulf that is used as the booster abort landing tube. Just drop it right in and tow to shore!
A no answer or an answer that says "No comments" usually means "Yep -it was us."
An Australian senate overwatch committee was recently embroiled in debate over government's cuts and their military's need for upgraded military orbital communications platforms Could there be a connection?? Some Aussies want to be war ready. Others want to use the Ladies bathroom 😂
yeah australian communication companies always promise to get back to you and never do!
GROUP 12!
This music sonds like something is going wrong every now and then with the pitch down , really weird choice
love you're earrings
Other people are doin' it for themselves:)
hi
My favorite update show, i still doesn't get alert on it.
🎉
That’s not a reusable starship yet booster maybe.
No launches form china this week
why background music? you really dont need it. thanks
SLS is a non-starter
A wrinkle in space and time?
ORION
Yep, the heatshield failed badly.
Threat to the crew? No comment.
Why did it fail? Not gonna tell you.
🙄
Why are they taking so long to get too space then the moon..I think I would die before we see a moon base..then on too Mars .. NASA is so slow..Space X needs to go it alone..they would do a better job 👍
what's going on with those eyebrows? looks like they are heading for the stars too !! Lot's to "unpack" there, so let's dive right in.
Why put a dumbnail of wrinkle’s of booster not even mention it
More nose down attitude would result in a LOWER angle of attack. Terminology used incorrectly.
You can fight about that with SpaceX, we used the exact words they used
@@ale131296 Two wrongs don't make a right. You should not perpetuate false information.
@@Arbyfilmaren it's not false information but ok. Next time you write the script
@@ale131296 Why so touchy? That's really not an impressive attitude.
Like the show but please do not use this music anymore, very distracting.
Watch china get to the moon aheof the us
NO, Musk will get there first. however the Chinese will have a station on the south pole, the back side a with radio telescope, and the side facing the Earth before the USA can agree on who builds it.
US done that in 1969.
@musicbruv you still believe that
@yotg6902 well I watched it on TV along with the rest of the world. It was tracked by tracking stations around the world. There are photos of the landing site taken by satellites orbiting the moon. Rocks and regolith were brought back and examined by scientists. Eye witness accounts from 18 astronauts. So, I believe it happened until evidence proves otherwise.
I wonder if the Secret Service's ewar messed up the tower coms, as they brought the President-Elect in to SpaceX.
it looks like the communications tower ended up getting damaged by the fire of the engines
@@MTG_Music On launch you mean?
@@robbie_ mhm
Chinese cheap knockoffs are famous.
But they work and cost less.
Elysia is not nerdy enough for NSF :) But we like her anyway :)
I can not watch when this person hosts. Super annoying.
Cool! You’re unique! One out of a million! Maybe even one out of a billion! 🤷🏻♂️ If they have a transcript you can mute it and just read the copy.
So Elonovich Muskavite is finding out TPS is just as hard now, as it was way back in the 1970's.
The Physics hasn't changed in 50 years, & its highly unlikely to in the next 50 !
"Smartest Man on Earth"
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