Corwin Hyatt yeah true true but such a disappointing end for someone like Thrawn. I guess ‘Ol Palpy died in a similar fashion. Star Wars needs less betrayals and more deaths by going out fighting.
Honestly, the reason why Thrawn was so effective wasn't that he was smart(because he was), but because he wasn't dumb. He didn't try to waste ships in grand fleet actions like other Warlords, instead picking battles that he could win. He was an actual strategist instead of a Hollywood strategist.
I know this is old but agreed, i think thrawn is a little over rated. He’s obviously a great admiral, but when you take into consideration that all of the best admirals died at endor, like tarkin and yularen, hes not overly impressive imo
@@Goldfinger1718 my point was that thrawn thrives in a vacuum of competition. All of the empires finest save a small few like pellion, (who wnds up submitting to thrawn anyways) were killed off, with the top admiralty gone, its not really hard to be a successful commander. Its not like the rebels have any good admirals save for ackbar
@@ethanstaaf404 I get your point but that really isn't enough for him to be considered overrated. You do know that throughout most of his campaign, Thrawn operated with a smaller fleet compared to typical Imperial standards, since the New Republic had the advantage by that point in the war. The fact that he was able to consistently outmaneuver and outplay his outnumbering enemies is a testament to his brilliance and adaptability, qualities that were unmatched by other admirals in that era. This is why I think Thrawn deserves to be ranked at the number one spot when it comes to ranking Star Wars admirals.
True, but, his mustache, friendly eyes and gut, make him look like a really jolly "Nice fat guy" who would sit back in a chair all day on like, a huge star destroyer, stuffing his face with doughnuts, rather than fighting.
I always liked the Pentastar Alignment most out of all of the warlord factions, because Kaine seems like a fairly competent tactician, gathering allies and assets, focusing on defense and not being too aggressive, to not provoke the militarily superior faction that was the New Republic
Kaine wasn’t some evil space wizard who could turn up with a fleets of uber Dreadnoughts, or the spawn of MacGyver and Brainy Smurf. He was basically Star Wars version of Ptolemy I, he knew he couldn’t hold the empire together, so he used what he had to keep a very nice chunk. It’s realistic,
So true. I feel like people forget too often that it was Ardus Kaine who gave the Empire the second backbone it kept all the way to the death of Darth Krayt
Another amazing video. I'm also impressed that you focused on the navy rather than solely the influence of leaderships on the navies in-question; making those independent videos and further exploring the differences between the different forces of the fractured Empire before the Remnant was formed.
I think Zsinj would be the "True" Empire remnant. He did have a lot of support and he ran his Empire very efficiently. Had he not been stuck in the med and outer rims where support for the empire was waning, I think he would probably have brought the Empire back to the way it was and been the human Palpatine.
You could argue that Kaine did a lot with his fleet in service to the Dark Empire, cutting through to the core of the galaxy from all the way out over Bastion. While that's likely due also to his tactical and strategic abilities, it's another factor to consider
So, I tend never to leave comments on UA-cam videos. But I wanted to say I enjoy your videos and would love one about the history and technology of the Hapes Consortium (and other minor factions of the old EU).
I don’t have a suggestion but I’ve been watching for a real long time and I’ve never left a comment before (I’m not the comment leaving sort) but I wanted to drop in and let you know I’m subscribed to lots and lots of Star Wars channels and I think you’re my favorite. I suppose if I had a suggestion for a factions compared video I think it would be really interesting to hear your thoughts on the various droid army’s that have existed. Realistically it probably goes to the Selentium or the Abamanor but there’s definitely other sizable factions out there that could be discussed. Keep up the good work my friend.
Do "Which sci fi faction has the best elite guard" with the Elite Honor Guards of Halo, the Praetorian guard and the imperial guard of star wars and the [i don't know what] from [i don't know what]
Soronaca If you want to give 40k the win. The Custodians of Terra/the Emperor These guys are above the Adeptus Astartes and only below the Primarchs and the emperor - however the custodians are trained to be able to kill and defeat even Primarchs on a 1-1 scale. And depending if you go 30k or 40k your facing between 10,000 brothers (30k) or a simple 1000 (40k - the survivors of the Hersey and a thousand wars)
I wish Thrawn was a CIS admiral. He fits into the CIS so perfectly and I’d love to see the tactics he would use with CIS ships. Thrawn would lead a badass Separatist Holdout campaign and prolly join up with the Rebels/create the rebellion much earlier in the Empires founding.
He definitely would NOT join with the rebel scum. He might use them to further his goals but he would never join them. He's a loyal Imperial man though. So tough luck there, mate. Your comment is dripping with rebel propaganda and Rebel power fantasy. Also, associating the Separatists with rebels scum is a disservice to the glorious CIS.
Vanders That is why I said join/create the rebellion. The rebellion didn’t start till later in the Empires history but the Separatist Holdouts were very early on so I meant that right from the start Thrawn would create the rebellion himself, using the CIS Holdouts as his foundation.
I like the idea of CIS holdouts, but them being part of a "rebellion" is gross. They would just be a CIS remnant faction, like the Imperial Remnant - and you wouldn't consider the Imperial Remnant a rebellion would you? No indeed. They may later USE the Rebel Alliance to further their own aims, but the Rebels want to restore the Republic so I can't see CIS holdouts actively supporting the goal of the Rebellion. Which I like because yay CIS and boo Rebel scum. In the end though, Thrawn is an man of the Empire. I love security, I love the Empire. (I haven't seen Rebels Se 4 yet and I'm afraid I'm going to be disappointed if a possible spoiler I saw is true, sigh).
Plus philosophically speaking, Thrawn didn't believe in the ideals of the Republic. For him, the Empire was merely the lesser of two evils. Thrawn was well aware of the coming Yuuzhan Vong invasion and knew that in the coming war someone had to be able to make the hard decisions with little to no debate that could waste valuable time. A democratic government would never go for that.
He's to militaristic for the CIS plus he wouldn't like how is power is limited by the companies who make the droid. Thrawn is an imperlist the CIS aren't it's as simple as that.
Executer Super Star Destroyer versus the Raddus! P.S. I love your videos man, I've been watching your channel since mid of last year! And every video I've enjoyed it!
PYV Norrington yes an MC85 is considered old by the time of D’Qar, It’s main role as the ‘Raddus’ was a command vessel and a fighter carrier, it was able to house the bulk of the fighters (x-wings, few A-wings and the Resistance bombers) none of the other canon resistance ships were able to house lots of fighters. The raddus was phased out of the new republic due to it being outdated compared to the Mc90’s nebula Star destroyers and majestic capital ships. But either way, it would still be crushed by any SSD especially like the executor
Officio Assassinorum Kill count includes: Trillions of cultists Trillions of xenos Thousand of Xeno and Chaos warlords 1 Primarch - we will not dispute that this Primarch may have potentially “let” himself be killed. And when it comes to the assassins, besides being trained from birth, not requiring payment, being almost 99.9% loyal - it took someone like Horus to even barely convert some of these guys - and their completely numerous and specialised - no numbers are know how many assassins each temple has as none distribute the number unless only to the High Officio of the Assassinorum (before wiping said number completely from his mind so that not even a psyker could gain such vital information). Plus the specialisation of the Assassinorum accounts for almost everything, examples: Vindicare Temple - trains the universes best marksmen (good enough to pick out the pin in the haystack by blind eye, from roughy 500m away) Culexus Temple - assassins born with the Blank Gene (a null within the touch of the warp, suppresses all form of warp power and affects) Callidus Temple - assassins trained and strengthened to be able to take a rare drug/toxin that will reform their body, shape, organs and everything to whatever it requires to reach and eliminate its target. Eversor Temple - criminals drugged and torcherd into becoming complete psychopathic killing machines, equipped with weapons of slaughter and a constant stimulant injector, eversor are not expected to survive their mission, as much as butcher all in their path until either the mission or complete or the enemy or drugs kill him first.
The Pentastar was largely an economic faction controlling the old money pits of the galaxy like muunilist and often used outdated ships that they can buy or salvage. Dark Empire is just the repeat of a dead doctrine. Zsinj tried too many times to revive prototypes as well as too focused on killing the new republic
@@pitied3744 Essentially, one big thing with pentastar was their *rampant* anti-alien policies, even worse than the empire but not just go on full genocide route. Khaine's faction sometimes worked with the main empire, such as providing some ships to Thrawn but otherwise they mostly stayed on their own until Dark Empire.
I think it would be cool to see an updated version of this video and including other notable warlords like Greater Maldrood/Federated Teradoc Union , Empire of the Hand, Eriadu Authority, Zero Command, and Second Imperium.
I love Thrawn because he used what the Rebellion had against them, a small, but skilled group fighting a faction too spread out and overconfident. I always remember Luke talking with Talon Karrde about Thrawn. Luke says Thrawn doesn't stand a chance because the New Republic has too many ships and resources, then Karrde points out how that's how the Empire felt about the Rebellion. It's cool because of the switch around. I've heard it said the the greatest opponent is "You, but better", and that is very apparent with Thrawn. ...But that also means that Thrawn technically has the weakest Navy. Thrawn's death is the equivalent to Luke, Ackbar, or Leia dying. Everything will just fall apart afterwards.
Thrawn used the same tactics against the new republic that the rebellion used against the empire. The Stateless Strategy. The enemy could be anywhere and everywhere. Never knowing where it would strike. That is what made him so dangerous. Thrawn was basically the Star Wars equivalent of Sun Tzu. If he wasn’t assassinated he would probably have succeeded as the Pentastar alignment was in the process of committing its forces to Thrawn.
Please please dew it. With how big and modernized the Byss Fleet is I’d go all ships at the Battle of Coruscant. The Eclipse alone could wreck so many ships.
Definitely subbing. You know your original canon shit, sir. Very impressed. I agree 100% with the ranking. If you add Razor's Kiss to Zsinj's column, he definitely has the upper hand on Kaine. Dark Empire is the one to rule them all. The power of the Eclipse neutralizes the dreadnaughts of the others. I would argue that is what the Eclipse was designed to do. Identify a massive ship, target it with the superlaser and annihilate it. Like you said in another video, it is quite unwieldy against fleets of smaller vehicles. The Byss forces had Assertor and Bellator ships, massive Word Devastators and the Galaxy Gun. This is in addition to many regular ISD II's and deadly droid fighters.
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Thrawn had the smallest fleet and nothing more serious than Imperial II class but he brought the Rebellion to its knees, he brought down Admiral Ackbar without firing a shot, he attacked their Capitol and was only beaten when he was betrayed. He gave the Alliance such an ass kicking that years later the mere idea of him coming back nearly split the new republic apart. What good is a Navy with a large fleet of super ships when a brilliant man with a small fleet of mostly medium cruisers, a few large battleship carriers and his will and wisdom? It's not about size it's about how effectively you use it.
Make this a Galactic Versus episode: STAR WARS 2M Saber tank vs. HALO M808Skorpion tank(whatever type you want) vs. COMMAND AND CONQUER GDI Mammoth MK III I'd love to see which of theese tanks comes out on top.
The M808 has been replaced. Usually the good lord works in mysteries ways, but not today. the M820 MBT is 31 tons of straight-up, 150mm EP spewin' Dee-Vine intervention! If god is love than you can call the M820 Scorpion "Cupid"
I would put the Alignment in slot 2. We don't know how big their fleet was compared to Zsinji but the fact they created a new cruiser design for their needs while the biggest design that I can recall definitely being created by Zsinji's faction was a fighter, which might not have ever reached mass production. To me that strongly implies that the Alignment had a much stronger support structure for its navy so while Zsinji;s fleet might have started stronger I don't think that edge would have lasted long enough to win a war between the two.
As much as I like Thrawn, his fleet was tiny, consisting of 6 ISDs. It’s a testament to just what he was capable of. Well, at least until he got the Katana fleet
This video was not about strategies, it was about available resources. The fact Thrawn was the only real threat besides Palpatine shows how skilled he is.
Solo Wing Borders Simple. Palpatine spammed Navy Crew Buildings on his protected worlds, knowing the New Republic AI doesn’t do raids, the only problem he had was that he left himself vulnerable, he should’ve known the Era would advance and he’d lose most of his shit if he died.
I'd say that either Pentastar or Zsinj would end up being in first place. In my opinion, having a large fleet in being is better in the long run than a bunch of superweapons, supercapital ships and droid fighters that performed no better than the standard TIE/IN. Kaine going for "pocket battleships" by forgoing ISD's (due to economic reasons and the aforementioned large territory) and largely relying on Enforcers (despite them being only marginally faster and cheaper than Vindicators while posessing 40 less guns) also has a certain appeal, although I must admit that the Enforcer-class' effectiveness in it's role as a patrol ship is dubious at best since we never really see them in action (as with anything else from the Alignment, really) and I'm generally just biased against the entire "It's like an SSD but in black and it shoots lasers like the Death Star while being way smaller and btw Sheev is back, he never died"-thing that is the Dark Empire.
Could you do a one on Superheavy Tanks (GDI's Mammoth mk 3, The Rebel's T4-B, etc.)? Considering the doctrinal niche for massive tanks is so small, it'd be interesting to see which ones are best designed for their faction.
I'm honestly surprised the Thrawn didn't make use of more Victory class Star Destroyers (either variant). They would have been allot cheaper to produce while still being quite effective.
YES! Awesome video EckhartsLadder! I can't argue your choices. Palpatine is 1, Thrawn is 4. Zsinj DID have a second Super Star Destroyers for all of 10 minutes before Wraith squadron sabotaged it, so he Might be 2.
I voted Zsinj, because I feel like given your parameters they probably did have the next strongest fleet. Thrawn even at half the strength would be second, given how well Thrawn knew the others he may still be able to take second.
I mean, by Thrawn's tactical philosophy, lacking those massive ships is actually advantageous. Relying on dreadnoughts and superweapons is impractical and wasteful in his eyes. But I guess you're right, from a certain point of view...
I recently read the rogue squadron novels and I couldnt figure out how Isard only had two Imp Star Duce, one victory and the Lusankya at his disposal did the rest of the empire just refuse to follow her orders, were they all repressing rebels or was she just thaf arrogan?
Most of the Remenant didn't recognize her authority and Corescant was fairly isolated from the remaining Imperial systems. She was also that arrogant, which for someone who rose through the ranks of Imperial Intelligence says allot.
If only Sidius listened to Thrawn when he told the Sith Emperor to build more practical and flexible fleets of ships and advanced fighter squadrons instead of pooling gobs upon gobs of resources and funds into giant superweapons.
One note, Kaine abandoned all of Oversector Outer and moved his forces exclusively to the New Territories in the Galactic Northwest centered around Entralla. He made deal with 14 Moffs, five major corporations and slavers to ensure both economic self sufficiency and public support for his regime while only holding 14 Sectors. This made it easily defensible for the vast resources of Kaine and his backers. Other warlords like Delvardus, Prentioch, Sarne and Vandal seized the territory Kaine abandoned in Oversector Outer. His abandonment of the territory also directly helped the New Republic expand initially and led to further breakdowns in the Imperial unity in the Outer Rim.
Another point for the Dark Empire is the World Devastators will allow them significantly greater access to raw materials and resources than the other fleets. Imagine what a fleet of Devastators eating up an asteroid field could produce.
Best transforming fighter: VF-11 thunderbolt from Macross plus vs the Union Flag from Gundam 00 vs the Viking from StarCraft vs the Mecha Tengu from Command and Conquer.
Why so many votes for Thrawn. Remember people we are looking at the fleets and the ships in those fleets not the people commanding them. I know Thrawn is badass and all but keep the fanboy shit out of it.
Angry Irishman Palpatine isn't the strategic genius Thrawn is and yet he's 1#. So if it was most effectively used wouldn't Thrawn for first not fourth? I don't know. It could be argued the Dark Empire caused more damage to the New Republic then Thrawn did.
Could you do a comparison of the Starfighters of the empire proper, the SWTOR empire, Darth Krayts empire and the FO? or maybe just some other empires that used something akin to Tie fighters
This is the start of Factions Compared Week, hope you enjoy! Also, to see these factions in play, try the Thrawn's Revenge mod for Empire at War!
EckhartsLadder factions compared is My favourite series on your channel. I’m really exited for this week
EckhartsLadder oh yeah...
Can we have a description for the other videos?
I feel like having a clear #1 isn't bad, but you should add an extra slot in the comparison so up this from 5 to 6.
EckhartsLadder Factions compared best side faction navy. Example.
Zann Consortium, Chiss Ascendancy, Corporate Sector, CIS Holdouts, Hutt Cartel, Pirate Fleets, etc.
Zsinj: * exists *
Herman Göring: finally a worthy opponent
This comment is gold
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Two fatass addicted to medication and Having a Air Force
@@iamaspaceman8533indeed it is.
Could you imagine Thrawn commanding the Dark Empire Fleet.
Scary good.
Star Wars That is terrifyingly awesome.
He couldn’t lose.
He could, in much the same way he lost in the original three novels. The one group he didn't think to look too deeply into or keep an eye on...
Corwin Hyatt yeah true true but such a disappointing end for someone like Thrawn. I guess ‘Ol Palpy died in a similar fashion. Star Wars needs less betrayals and more deaths by going out fighting.
Too Op
I've always loved the imperial warlords and imperial remnants, they're an interesting bunch.
Where can I read about them?
Books, I mean.
@@Vchk1917 Roughly anything by Timothy Zahn and Kevin J. Anderson. Also the Dark Empire and Crimson Empire comic books.
@@DarksaberForce Thanks
@@Vchk1917 No problem. Also there are Rogue Squadron/ X-Wing novels and comics. The old EU rocks.
@@DarksaberForce Oh indeed indeed!
Honestly, the reason why Thrawn was so effective wasn't that he was smart(because he was), but because he wasn't dumb. He didn't try to waste ships in grand fleet actions like other Warlords, instead picking battles that he could win. He was an actual strategist instead of a Hollywood strategist.
You can’t be smart and dumb at the same time about the same thing
I know this is old but agreed, i think thrawn is a little over rated. He’s obviously a great admiral, but when you take into consideration that all of the best admirals died at endor, like tarkin and yularen, hes not overly impressive imo
@@ethanstaaf404 Funny how you mention how overrated Thrawn is when your suggestions are likely to be any better.
@@Goldfinger1718 my point was that thrawn thrives in a vacuum of competition. All of the empires finest save a small few like pellion, (who wnds up submitting to thrawn anyways) were killed off, with the top admiralty gone, its not really hard to be a successful commander. Its not like the rebels have any good admirals save for ackbar
@@ethanstaaf404 I get your point but that really isn't enough for him to be considered overrated. You do know that throughout most of his campaign, Thrawn operated with a smaller fleet compared to typical Imperial standards, since the New Republic had the advantage by that point in the war. The fact that he was able to consistently outmaneuver and outplay his outnumbering enemies is a testament to his brilliance and adaptability, qualities that were unmatched by other admirals in that era. This is why I think Thrawn deserves to be ranked at the number one spot when it comes to ranking Star Wars admirals.
Zsinj indeed was expansionist,Look at his gut hahaha
A true glutton for power, territory and food. Someone a Hutt could respect, till he lost...
I was thinking about that lol....he's leading a military navy.....why is he so damn big lol
True, but, his mustache, friendly eyes and gut, make him look like a really jolly "Nice fat guy" who would sit back in a chair all day on like, a huge star destroyer, stuffing his face with doughnuts, rather than fighting.
I'm in awe of the size of this Imperial Remnant
@@hobg5786 Absolute unit.
the second he mentioned the dark empire it was over
This has to be one of my favourite periods in Star Wars history in the eu
I always liked the Pentastar Alignment most out of all of the warlord factions, because Kaine seems like a fairly competent tactician, gathering allies and assets, focusing on defense and not being too aggressive, to not provoke the militarily superior faction that was the New Republic
Kaine wasn’t some evil space wizard who could turn up with a fleets of uber Dreadnoughts, or the spawn of MacGyver and Brainy Smurf. He was basically Star Wars version of Ptolemy I, he knew he couldn’t hold the empire together, so he used what he had to keep a very nice chunk. It’s realistic,
So true. I feel like people forget too often that it was Ardus Kaine who gave the Empire the second backbone it kept all the way to the death of Darth Krayt
Another amazing video. I'm also impressed that you focused on the navy rather than solely the influence of leaderships on the navies in-question; making those independent videos and further exploring the differences between the different forces of the fractured Empire before the Remnant was formed.
Factions compared is My favourite series on your channel. I’m really exited for this week!
I think Zsinj would be the "True" Empire remnant. He did have a lot of support and he ran his Empire very efficiently. Had he not been stuck in the med and outer rims where support for the empire was waning, I think he would probably have brought the Empire back to the way it was and been the human Palpatine.
You could argue that Kaine did a lot with his fleet in service to the Dark Empire, cutting through to the core of the galaxy from all the way out over Bastion. While that's likely due also to his tactical and strategic abilities, it's another factor to consider
Great episode! Love the Imperial Remant factions
So, I tend never to leave comments on UA-cam videos. But I wanted to say I enjoy your videos and would love one about the history and technology of the Hapes Consortium (and other minor factions of the old EU).
Oh boi now to build my fleet according to what Eckgod says 👌
Small little Beaned Child W.E.W your fleet in what? 😂
Japanio624 the RP channel 😂
All embrace the week of “factions compared”
What about the droid attack on the wookies?
Star Wars Fool Hello There.
Star Wars Fool I don't remember asking you a god damn thing oh wait wrong movie
Star Wars Fool its a system we cannot afford to lose
@@bignigga2238 We were on the verge of greatness. We were *this* close.
What about them ?
I don’t have a suggestion but I’ve been watching for a real long time and I’ve never left a comment before (I’m not the comment leaving sort) but I wanted to drop in and let you know I’m subscribed to lots and lots of Star Wars channels and I think you’re my favorite. I suppose if I had a suggestion for a factions compared video I think it would be really interesting to hear your thoughts on the various droid army’s that have existed. Realistically it probably goes to the Selentium or the Abamanor but there’s definitely other sizable factions out there that could be discussed. Keep up the good work my friend.
Rock on
Do "Which sci fi faction has the best elite guard" with the Elite Honor Guards of Halo, the Praetorian guard and the imperial guard of star wars and the [i don't know what] from [i don't know what]
Soronaca
If you want to give 40k the win.
The Custodians of Terra/the Emperor
These guys are above the Adeptus Astartes and only below the Primarchs and the emperor - however the custodians are trained to be able to kill and defeat even Primarchs on a 1-1 scale.
And depending if you go 30k or 40k your facing between 10,000 brothers (30k) or a simple 1000 (40k - the survivors of the Hersey and a thousand wars)
Reece Dignan no contest the grim dark banana gaurd are brutal.
Honestly tho. 40k is kinda retarded if you look at it.
TomatoSauce Not so much retarded as much as over the top fantasy in space
Fair, although major emphasis on over the top.
I think Thrawn being in last is just a testament to how great of a tactician he really was
The imperial remnant is my favourite faction, but the pentastars have a special place in my heart because of the thrawns revenge mod
I wish Thrawn was a CIS admiral. He fits into the CIS so perfectly and I’d love to see the tactics he would use with CIS ships.
Thrawn would lead a badass Separatist Holdout campaign and prolly join up with the Rebels/create the rebellion much earlier in the Empires founding.
He definitely would NOT join with the rebel scum. He might use them to further his goals but he would never join them. He's a loyal Imperial man though. So tough luck there, mate. Your comment is dripping with rebel propaganda and Rebel power fantasy. Also, associating the Separatists with rebels scum is a disservice to the glorious CIS.
Vanders That is why I said join/create the rebellion. The rebellion didn’t start till later in the Empires history but the Separatist Holdouts were very early on so I meant that right from the start Thrawn would create the rebellion himself, using the CIS Holdouts as his foundation.
I like the idea of CIS holdouts, but them being part of a "rebellion" is gross. They would just be a CIS remnant faction, like the Imperial Remnant - and you wouldn't consider the Imperial Remnant a rebellion would you? No indeed. They may later USE the Rebel Alliance to further their own aims, but the Rebels want to restore the Republic so I can't see CIS holdouts actively supporting the goal of the Rebellion. Which I like because yay CIS and boo Rebel scum. In the end though, Thrawn is an man of the Empire. I love security, I love the Empire. (I haven't seen Rebels Se 4 yet and I'm afraid I'm going to be disappointed if a possible spoiler I saw is true, sigh).
Plus philosophically speaking, Thrawn didn't believe in the ideals of the Republic. For him, the Empire was merely the lesser of two evils. Thrawn was well aware of the coming Yuuzhan Vong invasion and knew that in the coming war someone had to be able to make the hard decisions with little to no debate that could waste valuable time. A democratic government would never go for that.
He's to militaristic for the CIS plus he wouldn't like how is power is limited by the companies who make the droid. Thrawn is an imperlist the CIS aren't it's as simple as that.
Executer Super Star Destroyer
versus the Raddus!
P.S. I love your videos man, I've been watching your channel since mid of last year!
And every video I've enjoyed it!
Zeke Yeager pretty sure the executor would obliterate an old MC85 carrier
TrollingAgent24-7 MC85 is not old and is not a carrier
PYV Norrington yes an MC85 is considered old by the time of D’Qar,
It’s main role as the ‘Raddus’ was a command vessel and a fighter carrier, it was able to house the bulk of the fighters (x-wings, few A-wings and the Resistance bombers) none of the other canon resistance ships were able to house lots of fighters. The raddus was phased out of the new republic due to it being outdated compared to the Mc90’s nebula Star destroyers and majestic capital ships.
But either way, it would still be crushed by any SSD especially like the executor
The raddus uses hyperspace...
@FREEDOM FREEDOM
It’s a 1 hit KO!
Raddus Fainted!
Executer Fainted!
What faction has the best Assassins?
Officio Assassinorum.
Matt3311 Magna Guards and Commando droids were pretty good too. Plus Ventress, Savage, Durge, Embo, etc.
Galaxy HoriZon ezio auditore
Galaxy HoriZon I always used to assume assaj ventress was an assassin, idk why it is i bring bring this up but I already typed it soooo....
Officio Assassinorum
Kill count includes:
Trillions of cultists
Trillions of xenos
Thousand of Xeno and Chaos warlords
1 Primarch - we will not dispute that this Primarch may have potentially “let” himself be killed.
And when it comes to the assassins, besides being trained from birth, not requiring payment, being almost 99.9% loyal - it took someone like Horus to even barely convert some of these guys - and their completely numerous and specialised - no numbers are know how many assassins each temple has as none distribute the number unless only to the High Officio of the Assassinorum (before wiping said number completely from his mind so that not even a psyker could gain such vital information).
Plus the specialisation of the Assassinorum accounts for almost everything, examples:
Vindicare Temple - trains the universes best marksmen (good enough to pick out the pin in the haystack by blind eye, from roughy 500m away)
Culexus Temple - assassins born with the Blank Gene (a null within the touch of the warp, suppresses all form of warp power and affects)
Callidus Temple - assassins trained and strengthened to be able to take a rare drug/toxin that will reform their body, shape, organs and everything to whatever it requires to reach and eliminate its target.
Eversor Temple - criminals drugged and torcherd into becoming complete psychopathic killing machines, equipped with weapons of slaughter and a constant stimulant injector, eversor are not expected to survive their mission, as much as butcher all in their path until either the mission or complete or the enemy or drugs kill him first.
One week of this?!? YASSS!
Anyone else go - _"the Undertaker?"_ when the camera was panning up @ 4:40?
As always, it's a great video!
The Pentastar was largely an economic faction controlling the old money pits of the galaxy like muunilist and often used outdated ships that they can buy or salvage.
Dark Empire is just the repeat of a dead doctrine.
Zsinj tried too many times to revive prototypes as well as too focused on killing the new republic
so Pentastar just wanted to vibe and trade?
@@pitied3744 Essentially, one big thing with pentastar was their *rampant* anti-alien policies, even worse than the empire but not just go on full genocide route. Khaine's faction sometimes worked with the main empire, such as providing some ships to Thrawn but otherwise they mostly stayed on their own until Dark Empire.
Anti-planetary shields face off: Torpedo Sphere vs. Mandator IV
I think it would be cool to see an updated version of this video and including other notable warlords like Greater Maldrood/Federated Teradoc Union
, Empire of the Hand, Eriadu Authority, Zero Command, and Second Imperium.
Amazing video as ever love your channel may the force be with you
OMG YES FACTIONS COMPARED!!!!! TIME TO SET UP MY FACTION ROSTERSSS. Thanks Eck! Notif Squad!
I love Thrawn because he used what the Rebellion had against them, a small, but skilled group fighting a faction too spread out and overconfident. I always remember Luke talking with Talon Karrde about Thrawn. Luke says Thrawn doesn't stand a chance because the New Republic has too many ships and resources, then Karrde points out how that's how the Empire felt about the Rebellion. It's cool because of the switch around. I've heard it said the the greatest opponent is "You, but better", and that is very apparent with Thrawn.
...But that also means that Thrawn technically has the weakest Navy. Thrawn's death is the equivalent to Luke, Ackbar, or Leia dying. Everything will just fall apart afterwards.
Thrawn used the same tactics against the new republic that the rebellion used against the empire. The Stateless Strategy. The enemy could be anywhere and everywhere. Never knowing where it would strike. That is what made him so dangerous. Thrawn was basically the Star Wars equivalent of Sun Tzu. If he wasn’t assassinated he would probably have succeeded as the Pentastar alignment was in the process of committing its forces to Thrawn.
All ships (or just the Republic ones) present at the battle of coruscant vs the byss fleet during shadow hand
Master Mickman yesssssssssssssss
Master Mickman DEW IT!
A battle to see who was better, the Replublic and its Jedi, or the Dark Empire with its Dark Side Elite.
Please please dew it. With how big and modernized the Byss Fleet is I’d go all ships at the Battle of Coruscant. The Eclipse alone could wreck so many ships.
Frothy Walrus There was over 6000 capital ships at coruscant, theres no way byss wins
Please keep doing imperial warlord topic videos they are very good by the way good job on this video
I like the Imperial Warlords section of legends it has a very realistic Russian civil war esque vibe
All 12 Grand Admiral #SUGGESTION
I only know of Thrawn by name, were the other eleven ever expanded on?
Corwin Hyatt I have no idea who the other 11 grand admiral are. But I would like to know
Definitely subbing. You know your original canon shit, sir. Very impressed. I agree 100% with the ranking. If you add Razor's Kiss to Zsinj's column, he definitely has the upper hand on Kaine. Dark Empire is the one to rule them all. The power of the Eclipse neutralizes the dreadnaughts of the others. I would argue that is what the Eclipse was designed to do. Identify a massive ship, target it with the superlaser and annihilate it. Like you said in another video, it is quite unwieldy against fleets of smaller vehicles. The Byss forces had Assertor and Bellator ships, massive Word Devastators and the Galaxy Gun. This is in addition to many regular ISD II's and deadly droid fighters.
Recusant Class Light Destroyer vs Something (MC75, Assault Frigate Mark II, Gladiator Class Star Destroyer, etc)
@EckhartsLadder This was a very well done!! It is concise, yet extremely informative. It was also very taut, having no extraneous information to beleaguer your overall metered and smoothly timed episode. You have gotten so very much better at producing and editing. I am thoroughly impressed and proud of you!!! I salute you sir, you are always striving to be better, and I can seriously respect that!!!!👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼❣️❣️❣️✊🏼✊🏼✊🏼🙆🏻♂️🙆🏻♂️🙆🏻♂️
They all have good fleets and all of the fleet and great video.
Please do more of these Imperial remnant faction videos!
Thrawn had the smallest fleet and nothing more serious than Imperial II class but he brought the Rebellion to its knees, he brought down Admiral Ackbar without firing a shot, he attacked their Capitol and was only beaten when he was betrayed. He gave the Alliance such an ass kicking that years later the mere idea of him coming back nearly split the new republic apart. What good is a Navy with a large fleet of super ships when a brilliant man with a small fleet of mostly medium cruisers, a few large battleship carriers and his will and wisdom? It's not about size it's about how effectively you use it.
Make this a Galactic Versus episode:
STAR WARS 2M Saber tank
vs.
HALO M808Skorpion tank(whatever type you want)
vs.
COMMAND AND CONQUER GDI Mammoth MK III
I'd love to see which of theese tanks comes out on top.
Also 40K Land Raider
Dark. Duke wouldn't that be the Leman Russ or the Baneblade?
The M808 has been replaced. Usually the good lord works in mysteries ways, but not today. the M820 MBT is 31 tons of straight-up, 150mm EP spewin' Dee-Vine intervention! If god is love than you can call the M820 Scorpion "Cupid"
@@lokalnyork No
Just no
40k just wins at everything so it’s not worth the competition for it to JUst be added
It's gonna be a great week!
0:45 Boz Pity? The imperial reunification was at Tsoss Beacon
I would put the Alignment in slot 2. We don't know how big their fleet was compared to Zsinji but the fact they created a new cruiser design for their needs while the biggest design that I can recall definitely being created by Zsinji's faction was a fighter, which might not have ever reached mass production. To me that strongly implies that the Alignment had a much stronger support structure for its navy so while Zsinji;s fleet might have started stronger I don't think that edge would have lasted long enough to win a war between the two.
if its not thrawns im rioting
Milk 7504
Agreed. But I think this vid may not include tactics but arsenal
As much as I like Thrawn, his fleet was tiny, consisting of 6 ISDs. It’s a testament to just what he was capable of. Well, at least until he got the Katana fleet
THATS IT. TAKE TO THE STREETS. NON BELIEVERS OF THRAWN BE DAMNED!
Thrawn had a tiny navy but managed to win regardless, that's why he's so awesome.
This video was not about strategies, it was about available resources. The fact Thrawn was the only real threat besides Palpatine shows how skilled he is.
I HAVE ARRIVED ALRIGHTY ECKARTSLADDER
Great video Eckhart's.
Great video Eck
Lets see what the week holds. Can't wait to see what episodes will come during the week.
Ardus Kaine: *existe*
Deadpool: "¿¡qué *insulto censurado* !?, ¡es el mejor nombre de la vida!"
I just want to know one thing: how the bloody hell did they get the crew for all those ships; especially DE!?
Clones and droids for DE I guess
Plus he United a ton of remnant factions
Solo Wing Borders Simple. Palpatine spammed Navy Crew Buildings on his protected worlds, knowing the New Republic AI doesn’t do raids, the only problem he had was that he left himself vulnerable, he should’ve known the Era would advance and he’d lose most of his shit if he died.
every time you use that tie fighter animation, you should put that little warning you put on the first second of the guilty Luke video.
Awesome imperial officer Navy video
I'd say that either Pentastar or Zsinj would end up being in first place. In my opinion, having a large fleet in being is better in the long run than a bunch of superweapons, supercapital ships and droid fighters that performed no better than the standard TIE/IN.
Kaine going for "pocket battleships" by forgoing ISD's (due to economic reasons and the aforementioned large territory) and largely relying on Enforcers (despite them being only marginally faster and cheaper than Vindicators while posessing 40 less guns) also has a certain appeal,
although I must admit that the Enforcer-class' effectiveness in it's role as a patrol ship is dubious at best since we never really see them in action (as with anything else from the Alignment, really) and I'm generally just biased against the entire "It's like an SSD but in black and it shoots lasers like the Death Star while being way smaller and btw Sheev is back, he never died"-thing that is the Dark Empire.
Eckharts are you a droid? Do you ever sleep? You make so many videos! That’s so cool!
Could you do a one on Superheavy Tanks (GDI's Mammoth mk 3, The Rebel's T4-B, etc.)? Considering the doctrinal niche for massive tanks is so small, it'd be interesting to see which ones are best designed for their faction.
Should do a video on the best/say top 4 pirate factions in the Star Wars universe!!!
I love how Thrawn was beaten only with copius ammounts of plot armor.
I’ve always like the Pentastar Alignment for some reason.
You could do a video on the 12 grand admirals. It would be cool.
I'm honestly surprised the Thrawn didn't make use of more Victory class Star Destroyers (either variant). They would have been allot cheaper to produce while still being quite effective.
YES! Awesome video EckhartsLadder!
I can't argue your choices. Palpatine is 1, Thrawn is 4. Zsinj DID have a second Super Star Destroyers for all of 10 minutes before Wraith squadron sabotaged it, so he Might be 2.
I voted Zsinj, because I feel like given your parameters they probably did have the next strongest fleet. Thrawn even at half the strength would be second, given how well Thrawn knew the others he may still be able to take second.
Eckarts ladder classic era videos
2:49 I find it so odd that someone came up with the Vindicator-class when the Enforcer-class already existed and is nearly exactly the same
Last time i was this late the Zsinj's empire was still at war with the Mandlore's in the rp server oh wait
I mean there was that awesome battle between Pentastar and the new republic where the Reaper and Lusankya went head to head.
"We won't be looking at leadership abilities or admirals"- looking at you, Thrawn.
Very nice video
I mean, by Thrawn's tactical philosophy, lacking those massive ships is actually advantageous. Relying on dreadnoughts and superweapons is impractical and wasteful in his eyes. But I guess you're right, from a certain point of view...
I recently read the rogue squadron novels and I couldnt figure out how Isard only had two Imp Star Duce, one victory and the Lusankya at his disposal did the rest of the empire just refuse to follow her orders, were they all repressing rebels or was she just thaf arrogan?
Most of the Remenant didn't recognize her authority and Corescant was fairly isolated from the remaining Imperial systems. She was also that arrogant, which for someone who rose through the ranks of Imperial Intelligence says allot.
The giant Eck's Jams tag made me laugh
If only Sidius listened to Thrawn when he told the Sith Emperor to build more practical and flexible fleets of ships and advanced fighter squadrons instead of pooling gobs upon gobs of resources and funds into giant superweapons.
The neighbor from hello my neighbor is an imperial War Faction ? nice
I like the sound of that 7 day vs week
Sorry as someone who played Empire at War. Them Greater Maldrood Crimson Star Destroyers are amazing.
One note, Kaine abandoned all of Oversector Outer and moved his forces exclusively to the New Territories in the Galactic Northwest centered around Entralla. He made deal with 14 Moffs, five major corporations and slavers to ensure both economic self sufficiency and public support for his regime while only holding 14 Sectors. This made it easily defensible for the vast resources of Kaine and his backers. Other warlords like Delvardus, Prentioch, Sarne and Vandal seized the territory Kaine abandoned in Oversector Outer. His abandonment of the territory also directly helped the New Republic expand initially and led to further breakdowns in the Imperial unity in the Outer Rim.
Thrawn could take on any faction and win.
I would like to see a video on the various Light saber forms.
Great video, I honestly thought Thrawn had more ships/firepower at his disposal.
Yay! A week of factions compared
this isnt directly related but in the part at 7:33 there are xwings and transports being deployed from an ISD, what transports is in that comic pic?
Another point for the Dark Empire is the World Devastators will allow them significantly greater access to raw materials and resources than the other fleets. Imagine what a fleet of Devastators eating up an asteroid field could produce.
If it's feasible, a video about the unified Remnant might be cool.
I like this idea
X-83 Twintail vs. Tie Defender (the Legends version)
I think that's a close fight
Do you have/could you make a video explaining the post-RoTJ Legends stuff with the Imperial Remnants? It's a whole era I know nothing about
Best transforming fighter:
VF-11 thunderbolt from Macross plus vs the Union Flag from Gundam 00 vs the Viking from StarCraft vs the Mecha Tengu from Command and Conquer.
I like Zsinj’s moustache that makes him the best
Which faction had the best general. Grievous, Kenobi or Yoda, Maidine, and Veers
19th! EEehh-yooohh Katana Fleet vs. Epsilon Eridani Fleet
Also, yes! i subbed to this channel for the factions compared
Why so many votes for Thrawn. Remember people we are looking at the fleets and the ships in those fleets not the people commanding them. I know Thrawn is badass and all but keep the fanboy shit out of it.
HCUhardcoreUnited It was the most effectively used, remember.
Angry Irishman Palpatine isn't the strategic genius Thrawn is and yet he's 1#. So if it was most effectively used wouldn't Thrawn for first not fourth? I don't know. It could be argued the Dark Empire caused more damage to the New Republic then Thrawn did.
HCUhardcoreUnited He's arguably on par with Thrawn, he engineered the downfall of the Republic, remember.
Yeah, I actually voted for the Pentastar Alignment for #2, even though I like Thrawn more.
Angry Irishman it seems like Thrawn is getting votes simply because well he's Thrawn. Even though he had the weakest complement of vessels available.
Krogan vs Brutes [42nd ask]
I WILL NOT STOP.
Could you do a comparison of the Starfighters of the empire proper, the SWTOR empire, Darth Krayts empire and the FO? or maybe just some other empires that used something akin to Tie fighters
_Sovereign_-Class Super Star Destroyer vs 3 MC80s or MC90s.
Also, noice. I assumed it would be either Zjinj or the Pentastar.
Could you do the best transports : mtt, at-at, at-ot, and whatever else you can find
Saw that one coming