These videos take items from the news and report them along with my opinion - it’s a pretty long running series on this channel. Making shit up about airfields rather than reporting what’s actually in the article(s) would miss the point quite a bit.
look on autotrader at the mirriad of sub 100 mile i pace EV's for sale. They have to be kept somewhere ? There are 251 i pace cars on there at the moment, most at half price ? Evidence, not a conspiracy theory.
@@FredFox-m9v And then silence from the EV brigade!! They know this happens but prefer to promote EV cause it will save of all from doom… when in fact the truth will save us all from doom!! I dont want an EV thats been sat in a field for two years! Do you?
"EV sales to rise in 2025" Translation: Dealers will pre-register more new EVs than ever before counting as 1 new sale per pre-reg. Then they will discount said pre-reg EVs into oblivion to sell at a loss in order to get a real buyer which will then be counted as 1 used sale per car. Smoke and mirrors 101
The numbers will be fudged to make the sales numbers seem they have increased but EV numbers on actual sales wont increase at all… if anything they will decrease in sales… actual truthful numbers! If you wish to lease one go ahead… if you dont dont! We should be given the option to have what we each want!! But stop all these false numbers of EV sales… We all see them sitting in fields in there thousands!! Simples! 🚜🏴🇬🇧
Dealers pre-register cars and then dispose of them with delivery miles as used, Auto Trader is full of them. Dealers are also delaying and making unfair conditions when selling ICE cars. Porsche dealers, for example only sell their rare 911 GT models when the buyer buys a certain number of electric Taycans. Some dealers demand orders for two Taycans to secure one rare spec 911. It’s all coming to an end, collapse is inevitable.
@ Just google it and you will find them… dont be so lazy! They are all over the place… loads of videos with proof on here even… thousands of them just parked up! And not just this country either its allover Europe as well…
I agree, we need destination and on street chargers every bit as much as we need rapids on longer journeys. I think the minimum should be 7kW for on street and 22kW for supermarket car parks. And tethered AC chargers for at least the disabled bays, will be very welcome. The experience also needs to be far better than the chargers installed at my local Lidl store. I've only managed one successful charge and having dragged the cable out of the boot a few times, fiddled with the App and not been able to charge after 10 minutes of faffing about, I just don't bother any more. Plus I remember someone saying that when they asked the B&B they were staying at, why they didn't have EV charging available, they said that not only was it going to cost £2k+ to install but they had to have them serviced annually at great cost, which is hardly going to encourage businesses to provide a service to their guests. There must be a way where this can be better managed. Maybe if there was a national body in charge of on street, small business and small work place charging, they could help keep the costs down. ie have a breakdown and maintenance service at a fixed cost. Last summer on a trip to Germany (from Torquay), I stopped at the Tesla chargers (open to all makes) at The Holiday Inn Amesbury, yet that evening when I got to the Holiday Inn at Folkestone about half a mile from the channel tunnel, they had no facilities to charge. So the next morning I had to get up 30 minutes earlier so I could get a charge at the tunnel services. Finally, I think they should ban the sale of black charge leads. All leads should be in a bright colour so they are easier to see, especially in the dark.
I've never had my EV charger serviced. What's all that about? Had it installed for 900 pounds too. Given the price I've paid for holiday cottages they'd make that back in about half week of increased occupancy.
There is no way the grid or generation capacity can be provided to support this, not even in 50 years, trillions would be required and guess who will have to pay, yep, the motorist. Simply unaffordable, maybe add £25k tax to every EV registration to help pay for the infrastructure? Even that would not provide the trillions needed. Imagine a few hundred thousand pylons needed in the UK alone.
Why should taxpayers stump up the money for EV chargers because private companies cannot possibly make money on them and will not invest.. Not point in trying to make money from chargers in public spaces when EV can siphon off cheap domestic ( 5 % VAT ) electricity, like using low duty red diesel on our roads, which is illegal
My brother has been given a ev as a curtesy car while his petrol car is being repaired, he said that the electric car is costing him an absolute fortune because he has to use a public charger, he said he absolutely hates it and wants his petrol car back asap.
Surely he must be using the most expensive chargers? I live in a flat and all my charging is done on public chargers and my charging isn't costing me an absolute fortune, still much cheaper than petrol.
Cheaper public chargers run at around 40p/Kw, which would generally work out around 40% cheaper per mile than petrol. Problem is there are also chargers out there that charge 80p+ per kW, which works out more expensive than petrol.
Mnay of those 19% EV sales are pre-registered vehicles not actual sales, you can see thousands of used EV for sale 1 to 2 years old with only single digit delivery mileage - at much reduced prices, but a battery that has stood in a field for 1 to 2 years is going to be very suspect.
If you look on Autotrader at cars registered in 2024, and with less than 100 miles on the clock, you'll find EV's make up 19.6% of them; exactly the same as the proportion of EVs sold last year, it's the same for petrol, hybrids and diesel. If there's any truth in what you're saying the proportion of pre-registered EVs for sale would be significantly above the 2024 market share.
@@garysmith5025 Those pre-registered EV are PART of last years EV sales, but cannot keep up the pre-registering scam because as the government targets continue to rise the number needed to be pre-registerd will rise accordingly - anyway forcing makers to produce a product that very few want is killing automotive industry, Saw today that VW are offering its closed vehicle plants in Germany to Chinese car makers... Great result from lunatic net zero eh...
I do agree with drive electric prediction. It will only increase further next year if petrol prices go up. Agree about destination chargers. There are still ultra rapid deserts in the UK which need coverage. Not sure about national charging network by the government. I can see them introducing more legislation in 5+ years time. To force change for CPOs
Who is going to get up in the middle of the night to move their EV away from a lampost charger ? Otherwise the chargers will have a car parked by them all night, denying anyone else the chance to use them, just imagine the fights cause by people hogging the street chargers every night. BT just gave up a scheme to turn their old street boxes into chargers because it is totally uneconomical.
The entire point is that they’d be used for overnight charging, nobody’s moving their car in the middle of the night just like nobody’s turning up needing to charge in the middle of the night on a residential street 🤷♂️
Locally in the Midlands, there are great 7kW on street chargers in terraced areas of Coventry, and the expansion of Rapids over the last 2 years has been amazing. As a regular public charger user I always charge while I shop, Rapids have gone from 3-4 locally to to over 30 (Tamworth area) , so for me a combination of suppliers works well. Addressing the price needs action to reduce wholesale cost, and access charges by DNO/Grid.
As an Australian auto consumer; we are living the free trade life of INCREASINGLY the Chinese choices dream of quality and affordability at last. The crossover is here now and dealerships are going to have to find a partnership that can survive the ZEV reality. We've gone from our second Tesla RWD to our loaded BYD Seal RWD long range and are even more satisfied.......we certainly won't be going back there. Best of outcomes for Brexit Britain chaps !.
Charged at an SSE branded charger at a Starbucks. Not sure why other utility companies have not got into charging networks when they have access to the info of the current grid capacity.
The idea of a 'grazing' way of charging your EV whilst you do something else is more than sensible and the reason why the large oil companies and other corporates are against it as they do not make as much money as it goes to sites and councils not them! When will we, as a nation, learn that such companies only have their interests at heart? It is not impossible for oil companies try to build up a monopoly on charging EVs only to then increase prices to a level to replace what they earned from oil despite the lower cost of generating the electricity. 'Shameful' is nowhere strong enough!
Charging companies don't care either, why else would they not put roofs over the chargers that you have to be there for half an hour to an hour in all weather..?
Totally agree 6:30. Petrol station mentality is stupid and doesn’t apply to most EV day-to-day. Destination charging infrastructure is absolutely necessary. UK is a tiny island, only need 1 ultra-rapid to drive 500 miles to cover half the length for 1 day. All other time destination charging is more suitable and a lot more convenient. I personally don’t have much opinion on how things should be run, CPS doesn’t work very well though. Only AC slow charging should ALWAYS be cheaper than rapid charging. I could supercharge at 40p/kwh, but why are some destination charge 60p/kwh?
Suzuki do have one EV, though it's not available in the UK quite yet, launcing soon. Has been available in some other markets since November 2024. I used to be sceptical about EV's, but got offered an MG5 in December with just over £12k discount at my local dealership as they've discontinued production and wanted to clear stock (went to have a look at the new HS as my Dacia Sandero turned out to be a tad on the small side for my needs), so I decided, at that price, to give it a go and must say, these first few weeks have been great. Sure, having 500+ miles range would be nice (give it a year or 2 for the new batteries to hit mainstream market), but considering my typical drive is 80 miles rounds trip, it's fine. Even now I'm getting home with 50-60% left in the battery (that's with the low temperatures, heating on full and all motorway driving with a slightly heavy foot), hook it up to the charge and top it up at 7p per kW. 7kW public chargers make sense in residential streets, but don't know outside of that... and pricing needs to be set right, not like some of these 80p/kW+ fast chargers (I really think we could do with some price cap regulations in that area).
@@shreeshsaurya4203 Can't say what it is worth now, doesn't matter anyway, got it on PCP finance, so future value is guaranteed. As for service cost, GBP 520 for 4 year service plan (and 12 months of courtesy roadside assistance after each service, which is what, GBP 60-70 a year normally). Essentially I paid GBP 22k for a car with a GBP 34k RRP and it does everything I need it to do and does it pretty well. Insurance was pretty much same price as what the insurance on my Sandero Stepway was (Journey trim). Drove the HS for 4 years, had 0 issues with it, other than standard services. That one actually ended up with equity in it at the end of the 4 year PCP. Downsides on the old HS were the very slow and not so great infotainment system and the engine was pretty thirsty (designed in cooperation with General Motors, so fuel economy was obviously not a priority).
Pretty much on same page as you with regards to mix of rapid and destination charging. Bigger/Faster not always better but suspect those who are new to EV's or on the fence need the reassurance of loads of rapids on motorway etc. Once they get used to an EV they may find, like a lot of us that they rarely need them
The sales figures will only increase on new cars after all the pre registered half price cars are gone. The more that get pre- registered, the worse new car sales figures will get. A good product is sold on features, a bad product is sold on price, therefore EV's are a bad product.
They have a strategy, its to leave the charger companies to do their own thing ( Tory policy is to let business do business) So they give money to the charger companies in subsidies from our tax's & let them rip our pants down in prices !
@ Exactly. The government should be determining what is required where and not leaving it to private enterprise and simply doling out our money to them and councils and thinking that’s job done.
@@martinhammett8121 That is not correct. The Conservative Government did introduce some regulations to ensure that people could used their credit or debit cards when charging. However, I think that the costs of charging at a charging station can be too high, especially as charging overnight at home can be really cheap. It wouldn't surprise me if tax were a significant proportion of the cost at a charging station.
I found your channel and because of you I am Nissan leaf owner.love to see you back. I think the main issue is expensive ev. Now with Dacia spring, Byd will be more new ev on the road
Yeah the Spring feels like a big step in the direction of affordability - yes people criticise a cheap car for being cheap but you can pick them up preregistered for £13k right now, that’s an absolute bargain.
@@FredFox-m9vwhy didn’t you have Nissan repair that under the 8 year battery warranty? It’s not typical, I have older higher mileage Leafs in stock with over 80% SoH.
If you read the 30 kwhr guarantee, it says nowhere about a new battery. Nissan warranty says will repair / replace cells to return the battery bars back to 9 out of 12 battery bars, within 8 years or 100 k miles. just before the 8 years were up it had 8 battery bars, meaning only 1 battery bar improvement. It also says their obligations can be amended or removed without notification and repairs will be "at their discretion " . So no 'guarantee' at all in my opinion. Also in forums people who have tried to enact their guarantees, have had to pay themselves for a full battery health check prior to presentation and have had the battery checked yearly also alledgedly. I looked at this and thought that for 1 battery bar, it wasn't worth it and it hadn't been serviced in the latter years every year anyway, having done so few miles, so i didn't bother even trying, having to pay out for no certainty of only a 1bar repair. The car has lost 5 battery bars now, with a range of 60 or so miles. It is used mainly by the wife as a local, home charged runabout. It is still o.k. for that but so we didn't leave a more expensive car at Manchester airport to get bumped, we have come the 145 miles from Teesside in it, to go to Benidorm. Obviously we charged at every opportunity, to ensure we got there, which was about every 25 miles ( I am not brave ), Topcliffe, wetherby, Ferrybridge, hartshead moor and motor birch. The journey took 6 1/2 hours. I am writing this from Benidorm now, so we made it. We booked Manchester because the flight schedule took up less holidays for the wife at work, otherwise we would have booked Newcastle, only 38 miles away.
While I think that the loopholes aren't ideal, I'd struggle to suggest anything better, and still kind of fair. As long as they over all meet the target, I think its OK that they shop around. You didn't explain how much they could "borow" from the future, or how.. I think, if they "borrow"; teir target next year should be even harder, not just catch up.
Greetings from Oxford, just found your channel and you got a sub from me! 7kW chargers have their place, particularly in work and shopping centre car parks. Shopping destinations like IKEA might even prefer these to fast chargers because customers would be encouraged to stay for longer. Rapid chargers make more sense at motorway services.
I'm not sold of lamppost chargers. For the terrace street example looking near me it is about 1 lamppost for every 20 houses. Say 2 can charge that is not much. Cars are often outside every house and people try and park outside their own but can be anywhere. If they chargers I can imagine they will often be blocked by ICE. Unless they want to try and enforce only charging there but I can't imagine that given the parking spaces. It may help a little but I'm not sure it s worth it. These areas are some of the biggest problems for home charging and I can't see a good solution (having a dug up gully might be good for each house but if someone parks outside your house it is a problem) and will be decades away from getting fixed.
You know the plug and charge or auto charge or how Teslas start charging and do billing automatically? Is there anything stopping a system for AC charging that does that? So if I can only park outside number 57 I just plug into theirs and get billed automatically
I think the councils should mass purchase Kerbo charge and put them on every terraced Street it's safe to. The watch how many people get EVs and chargers at home.
Fast charging would be needed for long distance though. Especially for the summer months. Think of those escaping to the country side or the coast. Plus these situation will mean that it'll be a lot of people all at once.
yup, charging to fast is not always a requirement. If we charge on a long trip to 80%, we have a meal etc, so 40 minutes is great, 5 minutes we would have to move the car. 7kW on a shopping trip great tops up X3 what we use on the trip, same for gym, work etc. Granny charger at home because its good enough for how we use the car. of course YMMV, adjust for you!
The MX30 is a pretty hard sell - short range and fairly slow charging. Mazda put all of their bets on people wanting a range extender version and then fucked that up too by making it a rotary with a massive fuel tank. I’m sure they’re nice enough things for local work though, it’s a pretty nice thing for the money.
We need to cut out all the silly middlemen and make the utility companies responsible for providing electricity to car owners. Have the utilities control all of the charging infrastructure that's public. They have the proper "it must be working at all times" attitude that is required for this critical infrastructure.
It is wrong to fine motor manufacturers if they cannot sell enough Ev's At the end of the day most do not want EV's and it is the buyers choice what they want as they are expensive to buy and have limitations.
Using that same logic they should not have punitive taxes on cigarettes and food should have the same VAT as everything else. Governments have tools to encourage behaviour that society sees as desirable. Even if you don't believe in climate change, the reduction in pollution by moving to BEVs is hugely beneficial.
I'm constantly amazed just how many super chargers are popping up all over the place, I found two new sites this month already. I guess I should not be too surprised as the rip of pricing for most (apart from Tesla) where they buy a kW for less than 7ppkWh then reselling for 80 to 90ppkWh with the Government paying towards the installation is a bit of a win, I wonder what the Government agreed regarding up time, should be over 95% at the very minimum. Personally I would prefer offering both ICE and EV at the very same price and let the customers decide. Naturally those who pollute need to pay more to cope with the respiratory diseases their cars toxic emissions produce, yet another NHS tax!
@@ModernHeroes Are saying Gridserve and the rest are paying more or less than 7ppkWh ?. Wholesale electricity prices in the UK typically range between £50-£150 per MWh so that's 5-15p per kWh.
@@stevenbarrett7648 charging companies are very unlikely to be paying market wholesale prices for their energy - add in to that the massive capital cost involved and it’s not the massive profit making endeavour you seem to think it is.
@ Most are taking the Govt grants for installing chargers. If Tesco were to put up a new store they don't up the prices for food in their existing stores they run a business plan then go to the market for funding showing a return over many years. If Tesla can make a profit on 39 ppkWh then so can everyone else, thing is they are trying to take advantage of newbie EV drivers who keep trying to compare an EV to an ICE car, in reality these high prices are a recent happening, we never ever paid so much prior to Covid and I've been driving an EV now since 2014 so know what we used to pay, no reason for such high prices apart from plain profiteering
@@stevenbarrett7648 what government grants? The Rapid Charging Fund *still* isn’t open for applications beyond the very limited pilot. In fact, it’s one of the reasons Be.EV are moaning about lamppost chargers (the story in this video) - funding is available for that but not for rapids.
I am sure 50% sales of EVs are not many years away, I hear around 60% of people can charge at home so this seems very realistic, so pushing your sales forward I think makes sense. European car makers need some help so fines I think will be avoided.
I bought my first EV, A Zoe GT in July only because I have private Pod Points at work (27pKwh) and use 99% of the time as live in a rented flat and drive under 5k miles per year, slow chargers are no good for me as any shopping or supermarket trips are under 1 hour. If I do need a fast DC charger I do have an Instavolt a few miles from me with a few shops and KFC but unless I charger after 10pm its crazy expensive. I know everyone is different but we need more 11kw (a lot of evs support it) at places for work and incentives again to install home chargers in driveways/local parking and streets depending on the area.
Can you tape the white wire to your 'thought bubble' to the back of the shelving post? - look, if that's the only negative comment I have you must be doing a pretty good job ;)
3kW x 8 hours = 24kWh 24kWh x 3 miles per kWh = 72 miles (most EVs can do better even in winter) Average UK commute 20 miles Which means most people charging their car while they slept or working would have more than enough range. The few people that need more than the average can go to a rapid charging point.
Putting slower chargers in so people can block the space for hours to do something else makes no sense to me. What about the people that only need to park for 30 mins, make them come back with a coffee and make them sit there for 2 hours? My local booths is on their 3rd set of chargers in 4 years... Now upgrading to 160kw chargers.... But why not just install 300kw and throttle them back until the supply cable is upgraded. A third of the car park is being dug up every time 😮
InstaVolt are upgrading that site so it has 12 units instead of 4, removing the 4x ChargePoint 125kW shared units that have been there since chargers were originally installed.
Destination chargers in hotels and long stay carparks. I'm not sure lamp post chargers are a great idea as they are likely to be blocked and susceptible to vandalism (cable theft). People that can't charge at home are almost certainly going to shop at supermarkets (big cities may be an exception) and medium power chargers able to give 80% in 30 - 45mins would appear to be a good bet. Chargers at coffee shops, fast food outlets, pubs and motorway services is now fairly common but there are all sorts of places that have short stay visitors. The idea that you can refuel an EV as fast as a fossil fuel vehicle is probably not the way that we should be thinking. Wireless charging bays that don't require any user interaction may be a better goal.
They'll have to keep on fudging the figures more and more, year after year, it's not a good strategy. When only 50/60% of people can have an EV, the poorest of us will be forced onto public transport which will, inevitably, not meet needs. At some point they will have to give up the subsidies for EV purchase which will create exactly the same effect as happened in Germany. With all the pre-registered EVs from last year yet to sell I think 24% will be a struggle. (You can still find quite a few 2022 cars with delivery mileage available.)
There's already no subsidies. Plug in car grant of 3000 went years ago. Company car tax BIK is 2% and set to increase by 1% a year until it's 7% and remain so for EVs. Combustion vehicles is 15 to 37% depending on emissions.
List of brand new cars on auto trader per fuel types Petrol 7,072 Diesel 2,648 Electric 4,602 Hybrid 6,296 Does this mean that preregistration is a common practice across manufacturers and fuel types and not an EV issue? Plus when cars like the Fiat 500 are sold for 12k more in EV than Petrol but only include 3k worth of batteries colour me skeptical of 9k discounts on them.
I’m reliably* told that only EVs are preregistered to meet sales targets and that if you search for delivery mileage ICE cars you won’t find any Facts brought to you by trust me bro
It is just stupid but then what can we expect from Councillors whom are in their latter years and have been driving ICE cars all their lives! Most of them probably read the wrong stories about EV's and have very little knowledge about such things!? So, in the early days they got GP in, to supply their Rapid and Type 2 chargers, but are now switching them to different providers! My local council has Type 2 chargers that cost 60p/kwh plus you have to pay to park, but it's only 70p/kwh for the same company's rapid chargers, so why would you connect to the Type 2's and then conversely, why would you want to spend much time in town!? The council has now put these expensive chargers around the town, probably got sold the idea that people local to these chargers who couldn't easily charge at home, would use them!? But why would someone park ages away from their home, for a very expensive charge!? They may as well keep their ICE cars and fill up in 5 minutes! I never use these chargers either! I can park for free very near to the chargers for up to 2 hours, then rapid charge at a local supermarket while doing the weekly shop for the same cost. Or, park for free at Tesco for upto 3 hours while charging at 44p/kwh! It makes no sense to use the council provided charging infrastructure! It is also worth saying, that the rubbish charging infrastructure policies in the UK, do make owning an EV seem only a thing for middle class type people - those with a driveway who can then pay 7p/kwh overnight!? All the lower income households in my local area that aren't housed by the council, live in terraced housing and therefore will never be able to sign up to a cheap off peak tarrif - and therefore, get screwed both by their choice of tarrif and also an inability to charge at home their EV - but of course they won't have one, because why would they if they're generally more expensive (per range unit) and it costs them 60p+/kwh to charge their car - more than an ICE car! Councils and the government really need to change their minds on this subject and supply on street chargers for a lot less cost to the user than they are doing - or why would lower income households not be driving in ICE cars still, in the 2040's and 50's!?
Get what your saying and agree, but if I got my numbers right, the break even point for petrol vs EV charging is around 70p/kWh and that was comparing to a Sandero, which isn't even a thirsty car. That is based on the figures from my MG5. Still think public charger pricing should be capped somewhere in the 40-50p/kWh range.
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Borrowing credits from future years is similar to how Enron did their accounts.
Another great EV News, well done Gary
Anything Nissan have or announce is at risk due to their impending bankruptcy / merger with Honda
'flexibilities' - you didn't mention pre-registering EV's and parking them up on old airfields.
I've seen people say that but never actually provide evidence. Where is this?
These videos take items from the news and report them along with my opinion - it’s a pretty long running series on this channel. Making shit up about airfields rather than reporting what’s actually in the article(s) would miss the point quite a bit.
Because that's just a conspiracy hypothesis.
look on autotrader at the mirriad of sub 100 mile i pace EV's for sale. They have to be kept somewhere ? There are 251 i pace cars on there at the moment, most at half price ? Evidence, not a conspiracy theory.
@@FredFox-m9v And then silence from the EV brigade!! They know this happens but prefer to promote EV cause it will save of all from doom… when in fact the truth will save us all from doom!! I dont want an EV thats been sat in a field for two years! Do you?
"EV sales to rise in 2025" Translation: Dealers will pre-register more new EVs than ever before counting as 1 new sale per pre-reg. Then they will discount said pre-reg EVs into oblivion to sell at a loss in order to get a real buyer which will then be counted as 1 used sale per car.
Smoke and mirrors 101
The numbers will be fudged to make the sales numbers seem they have increased but EV numbers on actual sales wont increase at all… if anything they will decrease in sales… actual truthful numbers! If you wish to lease one go ahead… if you dont dont! We should be given the option to have what we each want!! But stop all these false numbers of EV sales… We all see them sitting in fields in there thousands!! Simples! 🚜🏴🇬🇧
Dealers pre-register cars and then dispose of them with delivery miles as used, Auto Trader is full of them. Dealers are also delaying and making unfair conditions when selling ICE cars. Porsche dealers, for example only sell their rare 911 GT models when the buyer buys a certain number of electric Taycans. Some dealers demand orders for two Taycans to secure one rare spec 911.
It’s all coming to an end, collapse is inevitable.
I've never seen any EVs sitting in fields. Where have you seen this?
@ Just google it and you will find them… dont be so lazy! They are all over the place… loads of videos with proof on here even… thousands of them just parked up! And not just this country either its allover Europe as well…
Can you provide evidence of your claim?
@@ziploc2000 Yes i can… but you just want to be awkward! Look for yourself on here…
I agree, we need destination and on street chargers every bit as much as we need rapids on longer journeys. I think the minimum should be 7kW for on street and 22kW for supermarket car parks. And tethered AC chargers for at least the disabled bays, will be very welcome. The experience also needs to be far better than the chargers installed at my local Lidl store. I've only managed one successful charge and having dragged the cable out of the boot a few times, fiddled with the App and not been able to charge after 10 minutes of faffing about, I just don't bother any more. Plus I remember someone saying that when they asked the B&B they were staying at, why they didn't have EV charging available, they said that not only was it going to cost £2k+ to install but they had to have them serviced annually at great cost, which is hardly going to encourage businesses to provide a service to their guests. There must be a way where this can be better managed. Maybe if there was a national body in charge of on street, small business and small work place charging, they could help keep the costs down. ie have a breakdown and maintenance service at a fixed cost. Last summer on a trip to Germany (from Torquay), I stopped at the Tesla chargers (open to all makes) at The Holiday Inn Amesbury, yet that evening when I got to the Holiday Inn at Folkestone about half a mile from the channel tunnel, they had no facilities to charge. So the next morning I had to get up 30 minutes earlier so I could get a charge at the tunnel services. Finally, I think they should ban the sale of black charge leads. All leads should be in a bright colour so they are easier to see, especially in the dark.
I've never had my EV charger serviced. What's all that about? Had it installed for 900 pounds too.
Given the price I've paid for holiday cottages they'd make that back in about half week of increased occupancy.
There is no way the grid or generation capacity can be provided to support this, not even in 50 years, trillions would be required and guess who will have to pay, yep, the motorist. Simply unaffordable, maybe add £25k tax to every EV registration to help pay for the infrastructure? Even that would not provide the trillions needed. Imagine a few hundred thousand pylons needed in the UK alone.
Why should taxpayers stump up the money for EV chargers because private companies cannot possibly make money on them and will not invest.. Not point in trying to make money from chargers in public spaces when EV can siphon off cheap domestic ( 5 % VAT ) electricity, like using low duty red diesel on our roads, which is illegal
Car company's don't face fines but they do have to pay others for credits either way they are forced to lose money
My brother has been given a ev as a curtesy car while his petrol car is being repaired, he said that the electric car is costing him an absolute fortune because he has to use a public charger, he said he absolutely hates it and wants his petrol car back asap.
Surely he must be using the most expensive chargers? I live in a flat and all my charging is done on public chargers and my charging isn't costing me an absolute fortune, still much cheaper than petrol.
Cheaper public chargers run at around 40p/Kw, which would generally work out around 40% cheaper per mile than petrol. Problem is there are also chargers out there that charge 80p+ per kW, which works out more expensive than petrol.
They are a pile of junk.
@ Yes I know, but in 7 years of owning EV's I've never used these high-priced chargers they are a rip off.
Sounds like he needs to do better research to find cheaper public chargers.
There’s loads of pre registered cars on autotrader etc , some good deals on 73 & 24 plates .
I noticed loads of Jaguar ipace on there for £38,000 with 10 - 50 miles on the clock.
Mnay of those 19% EV sales are pre-registered vehicles not actual sales, you can see thousands of used EV for sale 1 to 2 years old with only single digit delivery mileage - at much reduced prices, but a battery that has stood in a field for 1 to 2 years is going to be very suspect.
If you look on Autotrader at cars registered in 2024, and with less than 100 miles on the clock, you'll find EV's make up 19.6% of them; exactly the same as the proportion of EVs sold last year, it's the same for petrol, hybrids and diesel. If there's any truth in what you're saying the proportion of pre-registered EVs for sale would be significantly above the 2024 market share.
@@garysmith5025 Those pre-registered EV are PART of last years EV sales, but cannot keep up the pre-registering scam because as the government targets continue to rise the number needed to be pre-registerd will rise accordingly - anyway forcing makers to produce a product that very few want is killing automotive industry, Saw today that VW are offering its closed vehicle plants in Germany to Chinese car makers... Great result from lunatic net zero eh...
I do agree with drive electric prediction. It will only increase further next year if petrol prices go up.
Agree about destination chargers. There are still ultra rapid deserts in the UK which need coverage. Not sure about national charging network by the government. I can see them introducing more legislation in 5+ years time. To force change for CPOs
Who is going to get up in the middle of the night to move their EV away from a lampost charger ? Otherwise the chargers will have a car parked by them all night, denying anyone else the chance to use them, just imagine the fights cause by people hogging the street chargers every night. BT just gave up a scheme to turn their old street boxes into chargers because it is totally uneconomical.
The entire point is that they’d be used for overnight charging, nobody’s moving their car in the middle of the night just like nobody’s turning up needing to charge in the middle of the night on a residential street 🤷♂️
Locally in the Midlands, there are great 7kW on street chargers in terraced areas of Coventry, and the expansion of Rapids over the last 2 years has been amazing. As a regular public charger user I always charge while I shop, Rapids have gone from 3-4 locally to to over 30 (Tamworth area) , so for me a combination of suppliers works well. Addressing the price needs action to reduce wholesale cost, and access charges by DNO/Grid.
I've missed you big lad, nice to see you back in the game, best of luck for MH motors
As an Australian auto consumer; we are living the free trade life of INCREASINGLY the Chinese choices dream of quality and affordability at last. The crossover is here now and dealerships are going to have to find a partnership that can survive the ZEV reality. We've gone from our second Tesla RWD to our loaded BYD Seal RWD long range and are even more satisfied.......we certainly won't be going back there. Best of outcomes for Brexit Britain chaps !.
Charged at an SSE branded charger at a Starbucks. Not sure why other utility companies have not got into charging networks when they have access to the info of the current grid capacity.
The idea of a 'grazing' way of charging your EV whilst you do something else is more than sensible and the reason why the large oil companies and other corporates are against it as they do not make as much money as it goes to sites and councils not them! When will we, as a nation, learn that such companies only have their interests at heart? It is not impossible for oil companies try to build up a monopoly on charging EVs only to then increase prices to a level to replace what they earned from oil despite the lower cost of generating the electricity. 'Shameful' is nowhere strong enough!
Charging companies don't care either, why else would they not put roofs over the chargers that you have to be there for half an hour to an hour in all weather..?
Totally agree 6:30. Petrol station mentality is stupid and doesn’t apply to most EV day-to-day.
Destination charging infrastructure is absolutely necessary. UK is a tiny island, only need 1 ultra-rapid to drive 500 miles to cover half the length for 1 day. All other time destination charging is more suitable and a lot more convenient.
I personally don’t have much opinion on how things should be run, CPS doesn’t work very well though. Only AC slow charging should ALWAYS be cheaper than rapid charging. I could supercharge at 40p/kwh, but why are some destination charge 60p/kwh?
Suzuki do have one EV, though it's not available in the UK quite yet, launcing soon. Has been available in some other markets since November 2024. I used to be sceptical about EV's, but got offered an MG5 in December with just over £12k discount at my local dealership as they've discontinued production and wanted to clear stock (went to have a look at the new HS as my Dacia Sandero turned out to be a tad on the small side for my needs), so I decided, at that price, to give it a go and must say, these first few weeks have been great. Sure, having 500+ miles range would be nice (give it a year or 2 for the new batteries to hit mainstream market), but considering my typical drive is 80 miles rounds trip, it's fine. Even now I'm getting home with 50-60% left in the battery (that's with the low temperatures, heating on full and all motorway driving with a slightly heavy foot), hook it up to the charge and top it up at 7p per kW.
7kW public chargers make sense in residential streets, but don't know outside of that... and pricing needs to be set right, not like some of these 80p/kW+ fast chargers (I really think we could do with some price cap regulations in that area).
@@shreeshsaurya4203 Can't say what it is worth now, doesn't matter anyway, got it on PCP finance, so future value is guaranteed. As for service cost, GBP 520 for 4 year service plan (and 12 months of courtesy roadside assistance after each service, which is what, GBP 60-70 a year normally). Essentially I paid GBP 22k for a car with a GBP 34k RRP and it does everything I need it to do and does it pretty well. Insurance was pretty much same price as what the insurance on my Sandero Stepway was (Journey trim). Drove the HS for 4 years, had 0 issues with it, other than standard services. That one actually ended up with equity in it at the end of the 4 year PCP. Downsides on the old HS were the very slow and not so great infotainment system and the engine was pretty thirsty (designed in cooperation with General Motors, so fuel economy was obviously not a priority).
Pretty much on same page as you with regards to mix of rapid and destination charging. Bigger/Faster not always better but suspect those who are new to EV's or on the fence need the reassurance of loads of rapids on motorway etc. Once they get used to an EV they may find, like a lot of us that they rarely need them
The sales figures will only increase on new cars after all the pre registered half price cars are gone. The more that get pre- registered, the worse new car sales figures will get.
A good product is sold on features, a bad product is sold on price, therefore EV's are a bad product.
There is no government strategy when it comes to EV charging. It needs to create Electrify UK and find out what we need and where we need it.
They have a strategy, its to leave the charger companies to do their own thing ( Tory policy is to let business do business) So they give money to the charger companies in subsidies from our tax's & let them rip our pants down in prices !
@ Exactly. The government should be determining what is required where and not leaving it to private enterprise and simply doling out our money to them and councils and thinking that’s job done.
@@martinhammett8121 That is not correct. The Conservative Government did introduce some regulations to ensure that people could used their credit or debit cards when charging.
However, I think that the costs of charging at a charging station can be too high, especially as charging overnight at home can be really cheap. It wouldn't surprise me if tax were a significant proportion of the cost at a charging station.
I found your channel and because of you I am Nissan leaf owner.love to see you back. I think the main issue is expensive ev. Now with Dacia spring, Byd will be more new ev on the road
Yeah the Spring feels like a big step in the direction of affordability - yes people criticise a cheap car for being cheap but you can pick them up preregistered for £13k right now, that’s an absolute bargain.
Our Nissan leaf has 42% battery degradation now after nearly 9 years and 41k miles, or slightly more, The wife uses it as a local runabout.
@@FredFox-m9vwhy didn’t you have Nissan repair that under the 8 year battery warranty? It’s not typical, I have older higher mileage Leafs in stock with over 80% SoH.
If you read the 30 kwhr guarantee, it says nowhere about a new battery. Nissan warranty says will repair / replace cells to return the battery bars back to 9 out of 12 battery bars, within 8 years or 100 k miles. just before the 8 years were up it had 8 battery bars, meaning only 1 battery bar improvement. It also says their obligations can be amended or removed without notification and repairs will be "at their discretion " . So no 'guarantee' at all in my opinion. Also in forums people who have tried to enact their guarantees, have had to pay themselves for a full battery health check prior to presentation and have had the battery checked yearly also alledgedly. I looked at this and thought that for 1 battery bar, it wasn't worth it and it hadn't been serviced in the latter years every year anyway, having done so few miles, so i didn't bother even trying, having to pay out for no certainty of only a 1bar repair. The car has lost 5 battery bars now, with a range of 60 or so miles. It is used mainly by the wife as a local, home charged runabout. It is still o.k. for that but so we didn't leave a more expensive car at Manchester airport to get bumped, we have come the 145 miles from Teesside in it, to go to Benidorm. Obviously we charged at every opportunity, to ensure we got there, which was about every 25 miles ( I am not brave ), Topcliffe, wetherby, Ferrybridge, hartshead moor and motor birch. The journey took 6 1/2 hours. I am writing this from Benidorm now, so we made it.
We booked Manchester because the flight schedule took up less holidays for the wife at work, otherwise we would have booked Newcastle, only 38 miles away.
While I think that the loopholes aren't ideal, I'd struggle to suggest anything better, and still kind of fair.
As long as they over all meet the target, I think its OK that they shop around.
You didn't explain how much they could "borow" from the future, or how..
I think, if they "borrow"; teir target next year should be even harder, not just catch up.
You missed the massive amount of EVs pre registered and parked up on airfields.
382,000 EVs sold in the UK last year. How many are stored on airfields?
None? Just something people copy pasta without ever checking is true. @@gpsfinancial6988
Where is this?
@@drunkenhobo8020 Seems to be the only question you ask!
Evidence?
Greetings from Oxford, just found your channel and you got a sub from me! 7kW chargers have their place, particularly in work and shopping centre car parks. Shopping destinations like IKEA might even prefer these to fast chargers because customers would be encouraged to stay for longer. Rapid chargers make more sense at motorway services.
I'm not sold of lamppost chargers. For the terrace street example looking near me it is about 1 lamppost for every 20 houses. Say 2 can charge that is not much. Cars are often outside every house and people try and park outside their own but can be anywhere.
If they chargers I can imagine they will often be blocked by ICE. Unless they want to try and enforce only charging there but I can't imagine that given the parking spaces.
It may help a little but I'm not sure it s worth it.
These areas are some of the biggest problems for home charging and I can't see a good solution (having a dug up gully might be good for each house but if someone parks outside your house it is a problem) and will be decades away from getting fixed.
You know the plug and charge or auto charge or how Teslas start charging and do billing automatically?
Is there anything stopping a system for AC charging that does that? So if I can only park outside number 57 I just plug into theirs and get billed automatically
I think the councils should mass purchase Kerbo charge and put them on every terraced Street it's safe to.
The watch how many people get EVs and chargers at home.
But but but but what if you can’t always park outside your house etc
Fast charging would be needed for long distance though. Especially for the summer months.
Think of those escaping to the country side or the coast. Plus these situation will mean that it'll be a lot of people all at once.
Obviously. That doesn’t mean investing in destination charging is misguided though 🤷♂️
yup, charging to fast is not always a requirement. If we charge on a long trip to 80%, we have a meal etc, so 40 minutes is great, 5 minutes we would have to move the car. 7kW on a shopping trip great tops up X3 what we use on the trip, same for gym, work etc. Granny charger at home because its good enough for how we use the car. of course YMMV, adjust for you!
Seen brand new pre reg Mazda MX 30 for sale at less then 15k that 50% discount, what's the catch Gary
The MX30 is a pretty hard sell - short range and fairly slow charging. Mazda put all of their bets on people wanting a range extender version and then fucked that up too by making it a rotary with a massive fuel tank.
I’m sure they’re nice enough things for local work though, it’s a pretty nice thing for the money.
We need to cut out all the silly middlemen and make the utility companies responsible for providing electricity to car owners. Have the utilities control all of the charging infrastructure that's public. They have the proper "it must be working at all times" attitude that is required for this critical infrastructure.
It is wrong to fine motor manufacturers if they cannot sell enough Ev's At the end of the day most do not want EV's and it is the buyers choice what they want as they are expensive to buy and have limitations.
Using that same logic they should not have punitive taxes on cigarettes and food should have the same VAT as everything else.
Governments have tools to encourage behaviour that society sees as desirable. Even if you don't believe in climate change, the reduction in pollution by moving to BEVs is hugely beneficial.
@@GraemeHart8888is this what you want, governments to enforce behaviours?
NO...
the Cat is out the bag they pollute just as much as other vehicles
HAD EV FOR 9 YEARS ONLY USED RAPID 7 TIMES SO FAR IT WAS FINE
I'm constantly amazed just how many super chargers are popping up all over the place, I found two new sites this month already. I guess I should not be too surprised as the rip of pricing for most (apart from Tesla) where they buy a kW for less than 7ppkWh then reselling for 80 to 90ppkWh with the Government paying towards the installation is a bit of a win, I wonder what the Government agreed regarding up time, should be over 95% at the very minimum. Personally I would prefer offering both ICE and EV at the very same price and let the customers decide. Naturally those who pollute need to pay more to cope with the respiratory diseases their cars toxic emissions produce, yet another NHS tax!
Nobody is paying 7p/kWh for commercial electricity
@@ModernHeroes Are saying Gridserve and the rest are paying more or less than 7ppkWh ?. Wholesale electricity prices in the UK typically range between £50-£150 per MWh so that's 5-15p per kWh.
@@stevenbarrett7648 charging companies are very unlikely to be paying market wholesale prices for their energy - add in to that the massive capital cost involved and it’s not the massive profit making endeavour you seem to think it is.
@ Most are taking the Govt grants for installing chargers.
If Tesco were to put up a new store they don't up the prices for food in their existing stores they run a business plan then go to the market for funding showing a return over many years.
If Tesla can make a profit on 39 ppkWh then so can everyone else, thing is they are trying to take advantage of newbie EV drivers who keep trying to compare an EV to an ICE car, in reality these high prices are a recent happening, we never ever paid so much prior to Covid and I've been driving an EV now since 2014 so know what we used to pay, no reason for such high prices apart from plain profiteering
@@stevenbarrett7648 what government grants? The Rapid Charging Fund *still* isn’t open for applications beyond the very limited pilot. In fact, it’s one of the reasons Be.EV are moaning about lamppost chargers (the story in this video) - funding is available for that but not for rapids.
I am sure 50% sales of EVs are not many years away, I hear around 60% of people can charge at home so this seems very realistic, so pushing your sales forward I think makes sense.
European car makers need some help so fines I think will be avoided.
I bought my first EV, A Zoe GT in July only because I have private Pod Points at work (27pKwh) and use 99% of the time as live in a rented flat and drive under 5k miles per year, slow chargers are no good for me as any shopping or supermarket trips are under 1 hour. If I do need a fast DC charger I do have an Instavolt a few miles from me with a few shops and KFC but unless I charger after 10pm its crazy expensive. I know everyone is different but we need more 11kw (a lot of evs support it) at places for work and incentives again to install home chargers in driveways/local parking and streets depending on the area.
Can you tape the white wire to your 'thought bubble' to the back of the shelving post? - look, if that's the only negative comment I have you must be doing a pretty good job ;)
On it, I’ve got some black cable ties somewhere 🫡
If they couldn t hit the 22% target in 2024 then its not happening in 2025 at 28%.
I don’t think 3kw should be installed anywhere
Why? If there’s limited power and it enables overnight charging for more vehicles than installing 7kW units what’s the issue?
3kW x 8 hours = 24kWh
24kWh x 3 miles per kWh = 72 miles (most EVs can do better even in winter)
Average UK commute 20 miles
Which means most people charging their car while they slept or working would have more than enough range. The few people that need more than the average can go to a rapid charging point.
Putting slower chargers in so people can block the space for hours to do something else makes no sense to me. What about the people that only need to park for 30 mins, make them come back with a coffee and make them sit there for 2 hours? My local booths is on their 3rd set of chargers in 4 years... Now upgrading to 160kw chargers.... But why not just install 300kw and throttle them back until the supply cable is upgraded. A third of the car park is being dug up every time 😮
Once again, which store are you on about?
@ModernHeroes Booths Windermere 👍
InstaVolt are upgrading that site so it has 12 units instead of 4, removing the 4x ChargePoint 125kW shared units that have been there since chargers were originally installed.
Destination chargers in hotels and long stay carparks. I'm not sure lamp post chargers are a great idea as they are likely to be blocked and susceptible to vandalism (cable theft). People that can't charge at home are almost certainly going to shop at supermarkets (big cities may be an exception) and medium power chargers able to give 80% in 30 - 45mins would appear to be a good bet. Chargers at coffee shops, fast food outlets, pubs and motorway services is now fairly common but there are all sorts of places that have short stay visitors. The idea that you can refuel an EV as fast as a fossil fuel vehicle is probably not the way that we should be thinking. Wireless charging bays that don't require any user interaction may be a better goal.
Lamposts are untethered. Ie the cable lives in your boot.
@ not when you’re charging.
They'll have to keep on fudging the figures more and more, year after year, it's not a good strategy.
When only 50/60% of people can have an EV, the poorest of us will be forced onto public transport which will, inevitably, not meet needs.
At some point they will have to give up the subsidies for EV purchase which will create exactly the same effect as happened in Germany.
With all the pre-registered EVs from last year yet to sell I think 24% will be a struggle. (You can still find quite a few 2022 cars with delivery mileage available.)
There's already no subsidies. Plug in car grant of 3000 went years ago.
Company car tax BIK is 2% and set to increase by 1% a year until it's 7% and remain so for EVs. Combustion vehicles is 15 to 37% depending on emissions.
As we all know, companies get large tax breaks for buying EVs and individuals can get 'salary sacrifice' when buying them.
@@Lewis_Standing Not too bright are you??
List of brand new cars on auto trader per fuel types
Petrol
7,072
Diesel
2,648
Electric
4,602
Hybrid
6,296
Does this mean that preregistration is a common practice across manufacturers and fuel types and not an EV issue?
Plus when cars like the Fiat 500 are sold for 12k more in EV than Petrol but only include 3k worth of batteries colour me skeptical of 9k discounts on them.
I’m reliably* told that only EVs are preregistered to meet sales targets and that if you search for delivery mileage ICE cars you won’t find any
Facts brought to you by trust me bro
😂 @@ModernHeroes
It is just stupid but then what can we expect from Councillors whom are in their latter years and have been driving ICE cars all their lives! Most of them probably read the wrong stories about EV's and have very little knowledge about such things!?
So, in the early days they got GP in, to supply their Rapid and Type 2 chargers, but are now switching them to different providers!
My local council has Type 2 chargers that cost 60p/kwh plus you have to pay to park, but it's only 70p/kwh for the same company's rapid chargers, so why would you connect to the Type 2's and then conversely, why would you want to spend much time in town!?
The council has now put these expensive chargers around the town, probably got sold the idea that people local to these chargers who couldn't easily charge at home, would use them!? But why would someone park ages away from their home, for a very expensive charge!?
They may as well keep their ICE cars and fill up in 5 minutes!
I never use these chargers either! I can park for free very near to the chargers for up to 2 hours, then rapid charge at a local supermarket while doing the weekly shop for the same cost. Or, park for free at Tesco for upto 3 hours while charging at 44p/kwh! It makes no sense to use the council provided charging infrastructure!
It is also worth saying, that the rubbish charging infrastructure policies in the UK, do make owning an EV seem only a thing for middle class type people - those with a driveway who can then pay 7p/kwh overnight!? All the lower income households in my local area that aren't housed by the council, live in terraced housing and therefore will never be able to sign up to a cheap off peak tarrif - and therefore, get screwed both by their choice of tarrif and also an inability to charge at home their EV - but of course they won't have one, because why would they if they're generally more expensive (per range unit) and it costs them 60p+/kwh to charge their car - more than an ICE car!
Councils and the government really need to change their minds on this subject and supply on street chargers for a lot less cost to the user than they are doing - or why would lower income households not be driving in ICE cars still, in the 2040's and 50's!?
Get what your saying and agree, but if I got my numbers right, the break even point for petrol vs EV charging is around 70p/kWh and that was comparing to a Sandero, which isn't even a thirsty car. That is based on the figures from my MG5. Still think public charger pricing should be capped somewhere in the 40-50p/kWh range.
No chance
Your news item about preregistrated car discounts.. would you consider a video on this?
Thank you so much for your videos.
WILL ELECTRIC CAR SALES RISE IN 2025?
No.
Ev bs I want to choose what car I drive , not be told
Yet here you are watching videos about them
No one wants there dangerous let’s forget zero and do a trump reversal