Your statement that the other Cirrus aircraft are Turboprops is not correct. There is a HUGE difference between a turboprop, and a turbocharged engine. The turboprop aircraft is a propeller powered by a jet engine (turbine), whereas the turbocharged airplanes that Cirrus produces are piston engines that are turbocharge/turbonormalized engines driving a propeller. There are huge differences in performance and reliability between turboprops and turbocharged aircraft. Further, you tended to mix and match the cost and performance numbers between the various HondaJet Models (HondaJet, HondaJet Elite, HondaJet Elite S). The HondaJet Elite S is about $4.8 million, and has an IFR range of over 1,500 nm. The original HondaJet had the range that you mentioned.
Honda all the way for me. More range, less noise in the cabin, more seating options and a potty in the back. Worth nothing that the newest prototype has a range of 2650 miles, a cruise speed of 450 knots and a ceiling of 47,000' .
YES. If the jet can't make it across the Atlantic ocean, all the other "amenities", are pretty much irrelevant...Might as well by an propeller prop plane...
I think the comparison is unfair. One engine verses two. Economics it would definitely be the Vision Jet. I would like to see a better comparison to the Honda Jet. The Vision Jet is more like turbo prop in regards to performance, take-off, and landings.
I'm betting in a worst case scenario if one of these jets were to lose a vertical stabiliser, the Cirrus Vision SF50 would have a better chance of landing safely.
youtube channel 'complete walkaround' did one on the cirrus.....its not exactly the full breakdown you are looking for, but it does go into cost of ownership.
It's important to give accurately descriptive information. I see people in the comments on already correctly touched on what type of aircraft the SR22 and SR20 is.
@@insidepossie this is a false statement every cirrus has a parachute… if it didn’t you’d have a 200 pound steel ballast on the nose of the aircraft which is impossible to install where normal ballast is installed.
They were remiss in not mentioning the CAPS system included in the Cirrus which features a ballistic deployed parachute as well as the autonomous emergency safe return feature.
Forgot to mention what speed VTEC kicks in? 😉 But it's Vision Jet for me and put the price Delta towards operating costs. But money no object between the two, Honda is the winner.
you missed where it said General Electric?? or are making a joke? and the costs? the fuel cost is double on the honda? maint double for checks you have 2 engines to get checked,, then the honda simply costs double about,,, (really its like comparing a g650 er to say a 1980's 737 and saying they are both jets...
have you seen the safety numbers? the cirrus parachute caps system is awesome,, and now the safe return button available to not just pilot on dash but to the passengers,,, its what I would trust my family in or want to learn to fly in,,, all goes wrong a backup plan is all the better, I suspect a cirrus could be upfit with a toilet if really desired? other then that I see nothing close about them the cirrus is twice the plane, at half the purchase or half the operating or maint costs...
Definitely would choose the Honda Jet because you get more space, it looks way better then the SF-50, the Cirrus looks ugly in my opinion. You get the advantage of a lavatory. You get have more power which means getting to your destination faster. The Honda Jet beats the Cirrus in many different areas, Looks, Performance, Convenience, and a list of other things. And with the Elite S, you have an even better range the the HA-420.
no comparison to Cirrus in terms of 1.safety 2.price 3.maintenance ... Range and seating capacity same so no point paying double the amount for Honda ... Cirrus all the way a future centric concept
this video did not compare the 2 fair at all, caps, safe return, cost to fillup, then the maint of hours on 2 engines over one, and service center availability,,, poorly filmed the cirrus is a clear winner and costs half...I mean wow
Truly toys for the rich, cost is no object for some. Once upon a time, I realized relative wealth could be gauged, anybody who talked of flying via 'Concorde" were already in a class by themselves. So it goes at least these things provide employment for mere mortals. OTH, enjoy. Very nice aircraft.
The Honda is essentially a small Biz Jet, the Cirrus is a flying family sedan, so it depends on what your purpose is, I'd initially go for the Honda as my company would have no need for a flying sedan.
or autoland, or caps, and ya enjoy spending double on fuel per trip? and then double to maintain 2 engines and fewer service centers too? poor choice.. good luck with that.
Not a very fair comparison. The Honda Jet is about $2 mill more than the vision jet. Honda Jet competes with phenom 100, cj3, etc.... This comparison is apples to oranges
i like my cirrus vision jet to be brand new from the factory to my hands. i dont want it to be a second hand plane i like it brand new and ill buy it soon inshaallah.
likely can get a cirrus modded for a toilet but can you mod a honda for caps or safereturn? or cheaper fuel use, or cheaper maint? double the engines means more cost and its not even more passengers,, maybe 1 if belted potty)
I wonder why someone would want the vision jet over a TBM850 or 930? It’s basically equal or better in every way performance wise. It’s cool that they made a single-engine jet, but too bad they didn’t target it price-wise closer $1M, it still boggles my mind that turbine has to = expensive. Turbine engines are so beautifully simple, but there’s no competition in the manufacturing space for such small engines.
Yeah the Vision jet is in an awkward place in the market. I think the idea of the Vision jet is for Cirrus customers to step up to it from like an SR22 and be able to say they own a jet for a low purchase price. It's 80% the cool factor that sells them. But problem for the Vision jet is if you are a little bet more rational with your purchases a cheaper to operate used single engine turboprop starts looking like a lot better value for around the same purchase price or just a little more. Especially since a used TBM 9xx, PC12, ect will have bigger cabins, higher max payloads, better ranges, and in some cases a lav. If you strip away the cool factor of owning a Jet with the fancy G3000 avionics and fighter plane style control stick the Single engine Turboprops come out looking like the better option by far compared to the Vision Jet. If you really want to step up from a single Turboprop only a twin engine light jet is really enough of a bump performance wise to be worth the extra cost.
@@mbasir, if you want to fly the plane, the Vision is hard to beat. Great views. Huge, front facing windows. It really is made for the pilot. But the passengers do share in those wonderful views. The Honda is for being flown around in. As for the TBM? The Cirrus is a jet. And it really is that simple. There is a cool factor that comes with that. Also the avionics are just a bit more modern the way they are incorporated into the craft. A parachute. Auto land. When you have money to spend on a jet, or a turboprop. Some folks will want the jet. That TBM is a lovely plane. So is the Honda. But if you are a pilot, looking for a fun new, sporty challenge, that Vision jet is hard to beet.
the cirrus costs 1/2 what the honda does I mean 2.4 mill to honda 4.8 ,,DOUBLE to fill up? is like 300 gallons? 2000lbs of fuel? so a trip for people is like what 2.50 a gallon 1200 miles,, the honda is over double,, your using 2 engines and filling up, and then maint of 2 engines, hours on 2 engines, then you do not have the parachute system in a honda,, or the safe return button for passengers ua-cam.com/video/PiGkzgfR_c0/v-deo.html
@@nigelwarrington3696 If you're flying over a major body of water (Atlantic, Gulf of Mexico, Pacific, etc.) outside of glide slope range back to land and your single engine fails, okay you can use CAPS but your aircraft would still be f*cked. One of the engines goes out in the Honda, you're still cruising.
Cirrus is a much better machine,,, Caps the parachute system (only Cirrus does that or has that) then there is Safe Return, if a pilot is incapasitated,,, with the push of a button the plane can locate nearest airport, call out the situation, navigate terrain and weather, and land with only the passenger pushing 1 button... (now the only thing honda has is a potty? and costs twice as much, consumes way more fuel and can fly 10k higher? seems not even a competition? if I had kids I know I would feel better if they were in a Cirrus, and being able to land at smaller runways often means less hold times,, and better service?
the honda is more noisy ,,2 engines use double the fuel, costing,,and then maint, double the hours costing more, and then not much more "payload" since the doors are similar size,, and they are rated for same amount of pax...
Your narrow-minded tirade couldn't be anymore inaccurate. Apart from your obvious bias based on inaccurate information, the newer Vision Jet has features no airplanes in the cost category have such as a ballistic parachute and auto-pilot safe return for starters. The plane is not, was never intended to compete with the likes of an Embraer 100 etc. It is the jet equivalent to a turbo-prop that has unique differences.
Your statement that the other Cirrus aircraft are Turboprops is not correct. There is a HUGE difference between a turboprop, and a turbocharged engine. The turboprop aircraft is a propeller powered by a jet engine (turbine), whereas the turbocharged airplanes that Cirrus produces are piston engines that are turbocharge/turbonormalized engines driving a propeller. There are huge differences in performance and reliability between turboprops and turbocharged aircraft.
Further, you tended to mix and match the cost and performance numbers between the various HondaJet Models (HondaJet, HondaJet Elite, HondaJet Elite S). The HondaJet Elite S is about $4.8 million, and has an IFR range of over 1,500 nm. The original HondaJet had the range that you mentioned.
Biden Voters don't know the difference.
SR 20 and SR22 aren’t turboprop planes. They’re piston engine planes and some have turbocharged engines
yep YUGE oversight/error
This is one of those "google search" channels.
Honda all the way for me. More range, less noise in the cabin, more seating options and a potty in the back. Worth nothing that the newest prototype has a range of 2650 miles, a cruise speed of 450 knots and a ceiling of 47,000' .
In the video table it showed the vision jet to have more range
Isn't the new HondaJet 2600 under development a different class? It's even larger than Learjet 40... not exactly a fair comparison for SF50.
At 3 times the cost? No way!
Potty vs no potty. You better damn well have a potty.
YES. If the jet can't make it across the Atlantic ocean, all the other "amenities", are pretty much irrelevant...Might as well by an propeller prop plane...
I like both,Im flyin a drone now.
Honda for us due to the facilities onboard and the space. But I love love love the Cirrus for short trips
I think the comparison is unfair. One engine verses two. Economics it would definitely be the Vision Jet. I would like to see a better comparison to the Honda Jet. The Vision Jet is more like turbo prop in regards to performance, take-off, and landings.
Im going with the safety...period!
mine will be cirrus with unparalleled safety auto landing and parachute .....
Mentioning the safety aspects would've been nice as well. I believe the Vision jet edges them on that as well.
I'm betting in a worst case scenario if one of these jets were to lose a vertical stabiliser, the Cirrus Vision SF50 would have a better chance of landing safely.
Perhaps a video on what makes up the total cost of these light jets? It would be interesting on why these jets cost what they do?
youtube channel 'complete walkaround' did one on the cirrus.....its not exactly the full breakdown you are looking for, but it does go into cost of ownership.
It's important to give accurately descriptive information. I see people in the comments on already correctly touched on what type of aircraft the SR22 and SR20 is.
you Didnt mentioned abt SF50's On frame parachute system .thats a big advantage
yes
Cirrus all the way… auto land system and safety parachute.
this the most awesome private jet. I really ❤ this small jet.
I got my SF50 3 months ago. As of now, they’ve made over 300 Vision Jets.
what's your experience like and how much did you pay, did you get the option for parachute ? wished those safety features were detailed in the video.
@@benchoflemons398 no sir, it's an add-on (at-a-cost) per customer request.
@@insidepossie this is a false statement every cirrus has a parachute… if it didn’t you’d have a 200 pound steel ballast on the nose of the aircraft which is impossible to install where normal ballast is installed.
@@matt922432010 ok
@@insidepossie parachute comes standard on all vision jets. So does auto-land.
They were remiss in not mentioning the CAPS system included in the Cirrus which features a ballistic deployed parachute as well as the autonomous emergency safe return feature.
Honda 💯! 🚽🎉 Is plus! And probably Worth every 💵!
Well I would say the Vision is the better option but I would've liked the price to run each of these jets per hour of fuel.
yeah...I'll take the one with the potentially life saving parachute thanks.
The one with the toilet. and Tom Cruise can stand up in his one with headroom to spare 🤣
SF50 vision jet 100% for me👍
Overall judgement, my accentuation goes to Cirrus vision jet SF-50.
Cobalt blue wash basin ,gotta have it.
And here's me today thinking about buying a new electric scooter and whether I have enough money till the end of the month.
Honda. Less of a pain in the ass to all other ATC at major airports.
Yes. Cirrus ought to continue with internal combustion power trains.
Forgot to mention what speed VTEC kicks in? 😉 But it's Vision Jet for me and put the price Delta towards operating costs. But money no object between the two, Honda is the winner.
you missed where it said General Electric?? or are making a joke?
and the costs? the fuel cost is double on the honda? maint double for checks you have 2 engines to get checked,, then the honda simply costs double about,,, (really its like comparing a g650 er to say a 1980's 737 and saying they are both jets...
Which is best smaller plane to fly across Atlantic from NY to London
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Honestly the Vision would suffice. But man that Hondajet is sexy.
have you seen the safety numbers? the cirrus parachute caps system is awesome,, and now the safe return button available to not just pilot on dash but to the passengers,,, its what I would trust my family in or want to learn to fly in,,, all goes wrong a backup plan is all the better, I suspect a cirrus could be upfit with a toilet if really desired? other then that I see nothing close about them the cirrus is twice the plane, at half the purchase or half the operating or maint costs...
You left out the most important variable to purchase sir .... Cost per hour.
Yeah the Honda jet doesn't have a parachute or auto land. Cirrus blows Honda out of the water as far as safety is concerned. Cirrus all the way
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I prefer sf50 but this aircraft needs upload space crew, May to up topspeed and fly range..best of sf50 is only safety concept
Definitely would choose the Honda Jet because you get more space, it looks way better then the SF-50, the Cirrus looks ugly in my opinion. You get the advantage of a lavatory. You get have more power which means getting to your destination faster. The Honda Jet beats the Cirrus in many different areas, Looks, Performance, Convenience, and a list of other things. And with the Elite S, you have an even better range the the HA-420.
Since I can afford neither I'll settle for a cessna 152☹
The vision won in my opinion 😊
At 2:07, not a HondaJet.
You meet the nicest people flying a Honda.
no comparison to Cirrus in terms of 1.safety 2.price 3.maintenance ... Range and seating capacity same so no point paying double the amount for Honda ... Cirrus all the way a future centric concept
Isn’t the eclipse more comparable to the Honda jet and at less than Cirrus price???
Honda Jet takes it!
this video did not compare the 2 fair at all, caps, safe return, cost to fillup, then the maint of hours on 2 engines over one, and service center availability,,, poorly filmed the cirrus is a clear winner and costs half...I mean wow
cirrus vision jet is the best for me.
Need etops cert?
Truly toys for the rich, cost is no object for some. Once upon a time, I realized relative wealth could be gauged, anybody who talked of flying via 'Concorde" were already in a class by themselves. So it goes at least these things provide employment for mere mortals.
OTH, enjoy. Very nice aircraft.
Too bad the D jet never made it to fruition. That would have been a fun comparison.
How many vision jet crashes have there been 1:13
Thanks
Cirrus had better range. I love it more.
ill buy it soon inshallah.
Price?
Wow
Cirus with a single engine has a longer range
Are there any delta wing private business jets ?
Only small general aviation or military aircraft!
Cirrus is a poor man’s private jet with a cruise missile engine. The V tail reminds me of a Bonanza
Honda, too expensive, too heavy, too complicated, too maintenance heavy. Cirrus, half of all the points raised on the Honda. The choice is clear.
cirrus vision jet took my breath away.
The only advantage the Honda jet has over the Cirrus jet is it larger with a toilet.
speed
It can fly over any weather. That is a huge deal.
There is a toilet option for cirrus.
@@overbuiltlimited actually thats a misnomer, not all weather events go to any particular altitude,, even a cessna can fly over some things...
Twice the price, the Honda should be twice as good, yes?
HONDA JET!!!!
These are two different class of Jet. Cirrus SF50 could be considered "ultra light" jet.
I can’t take the Cirrus seriously.
Sirius doesn't make a turboprop....
The Honda is essentially a small Biz Jet, the Cirrus is a flying family sedan, so it depends on what your purpose is, I'd initially go for the Honda as my company would have no need for a flying sedan.
or autoland, or caps, and ya enjoy spending double on fuel per trip? and then double to maintain 2 engines and fewer service centers too? poor choice.. good luck with that.
My Honda can mulch
They are quite different so a comparison is pointless.
Not a very fair comparison. The Honda Jet is about $2 mill more than the vision jet.
Honda Jet competes with phenom 100, cj3, etc....
This comparison is apples to oranges
i like my cirrus vision jet to be brand new from the factory to my hands. i dont want it to be a second hand plane i like it brand new and ill buy it soon inshaallah.
i dont like the honda jet. i love the cirrus vision jet.
RRT = Redundancy of engines, Range and Toilet in the cabin.😂
One has a toilet and one doesn't. Easy pick
likely can get a cirrus modded for a toilet but can you mod a honda for caps or safereturn? or cheaper fuel use, or cheaper maint? double the engines means more cost and its not even more passengers,, maybe 1 if belted potty)
Sorry, the bathroom sold me.
Honda it is.
Aggiungete una toilet al Cirrus e corro in banca ad aprire un mutuo 😂
Honda is going to come up with a Type R version of the HondaJet soon!
😊🎉
In a circus u really have to hold that pee
If it can't fly from LAX to Hawaii it's useless for me
You just need to make a refueling stop... 😉
I wonder why someone would want the vision jet over a TBM850 or 930? It’s basically equal or better in every way performance wise. It’s cool that they made a single-engine jet, but too bad they didn’t target it price-wise closer $1M, it still boggles my mind that turbine has to = expensive. Turbine engines are so beautifully simple, but there’s no competition in the manufacturing space for such small engines.
Yeah the Vision jet is in an awkward place in the market. I think the idea of the Vision jet is for Cirrus customers to step up to it from like an SR22 and be able to say they own a jet for a low purchase price. It's 80% the cool factor that sells them. But problem for the Vision jet is if you are a little bet more rational with your purchases a cheaper to operate used single engine turboprop starts looking like a lot better value for around the same purchase price or just a little more. Especially since a used TBM 9xx, PC12, ect will have bigger cabins, higher max payloads, better ranges, and in some cases a lav. If you strip away the cool factor of owning a Jet with the fancy G3000 avionics and fighter plane style control stick the Single engine Turboprops come out looking like the better option by far compared to the Vision Jet. If you really want to step up from a single Turboprop only a twin engine light jet is really enough of a bump performance wise to be worth the extra cost.
@@josh885 The TBM is actually faster than the Cirrus.
@@mbasir, if you want to fly the plane, the Vision is hard to beat. Great views. Huge, front facing windows. It really is made for the pilot. But the passengers do share in those wonderful views.
The Honda is for being flown around in.
As for the TBM? The Cirrus is a jet. And it really is that simple. There is a cool factor that comes with that. Also the avionics are just a bit more modern the way they are incorporated into the craft. A parachute. Auto land.
When you have money to spend on a jet, or a turboprop. Some folks will want the jet.
That TBM is a lovely plane. So is the Honda. But if you are a pilot, looking for a fun new, sporty challenge, that Vision jet is hard to beet.
the cirrus costs 1/2 what the honda does I mean 2.4 mill to honda 4.8 ,,DOUBLE to fill up? is like 300 gallons? 2000lbs of fuel? so a trip for people is like what 2.50 a gallon 1200 miles,, the honda is over double,, your using 2 engines and filling up, and then maint of 2 engines, hours on 2 engines, then you do not have the parachute system in a honda,, or the safe return button for passengers ua-cam.com/video/PiGkzgfR_c0/v-deo.html
直接比べるにはタイプが違うんじゃないか？😅
If I had this money, I would go with a two engine jet, not a one engine jet. Lose that one engine and you are f'd!
Not so, check into the parachute. Something the Honda can’t do.
@@nigelwarrington3696 If you're flying over a major body of water (Atlantic, Gulf of Mexico, Pacific, etc.) outside of glide slope range back to land and your single engine fails, okay you can use CAPS but your aircraft would still be f*cked.
One of the engines goes out in the Honda, you're still cruising.
@@nothing_burger Why would you do that? Presumably even though it's very easy to get certified on the Cirrus, you would be smarter than that.
Cirrus is a much better machine,,, Caps the parachute system (only Cirrus does that or has that) then there is Safe Return, if a pilot is incapasitated,,, with the push of a button the plane can locate nearest airport, call out the situation, navigate terrain and weather, and land with only the passenger pushing 1 button... (now the only thing honda has is a potty? and costs twice as much, consumes way more fuel and can fly 10k higher? seems not even a competition? if I had kids I know I would feel better if they were in a Cirrus, and being able to land at smaller runways often means less hold times,, and better service?
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Hondajet is an easy choice. Two engines, a lav, less noisy and more payload
the honda is more noisy ,,2 engines use double the fuel, costing,,and then maint, double the hours costing more, and then not much more "payload" since the doors are similar size,, and they are rated for same amount of pax...
One jet will still be around in 10 years, the other will be long discontinued.. And it ain’t the Vision Jet😂😂😂
I highly doubt Honda will follow up the Honda Jet with another generation, and if they do, it’ll be the last generation.
its just like a big toy.
Haha, 420
Honda lost on economics
Vision Jet is a fucking joke. Fuel burn of a jet, yet it can't go over 250kts. Pathetic.
I know! It's marginally better than my RV-14 for about 10 times the price!
the stats sheet does say it goes over 325kits, it "cruises" at 250-275 kts. with burning 71-75 gal per hour, is not bad at all.
Your narrow-minded tirade couldn't be anymore inaccurate. Apart from your obvious bias based on inaccurate information, the newer Vision Jet has features no airplanes in the cost category have such as a ballistic parachute and auto-pilot safe return for starters. The plane is not, was never intended to compete with the likes of an Embraer 100 etc. It is the jet equivalent to a turbo-prop that has unique differences.
@@tundraspecialops gotta hate it if you can’t afford it 😉
No comparison! Honda is better. Vision jet slooooow.
rip off
Honda Jet all the way.
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