Reverse emulating the NES to give it SUPER POWERS!

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  • @TheGrooseIsLoose
    @TheGrooseIsLoose 5 років тому +4254

    If anyone ever questions the legitimacy of your PhD, just give them a link to this video, which aims to tell a joke, so you start by defining definitions of existing terminology around jokes, and then you go on to define a new type of joke so that you may later produce an example fitting this new definition. You definitely have a PhD.

    • @pacomatic9833
      @pacomatic9833 3 роки тому +51

      Pin this

    • @CallMeTess
      @CallMeTess 3 роки тому +258

      You missed the fact that by starting the joke by explaining the joke, it also fit the criteria of this new category of joke.

    • @polus2494
      @polus2494 3 роки тому +26

      @Esteban Toby It worked! I managed to hack your girlfriend's Instagram account. Thanks man!

    • @alkestos
      @alkestos 2 роки тому +18

      Anti-anti-anti-joke

    • @StiekemeHenk
      @StiekemeHenk 2 роки тому

      PhD or autism?

  • @SoulSukkur
    @SoulSukkur 6 років тому +2687

    BREAKING: Man uses NES to play NES game, but wrong

    • @Coldethel123456
      @Coldethel123456 5 років тому +101

      Now THATS comedy!

    • @johneygd
      @johneygd 5 років тому +11

      I absolutely don’t believe him at all , he’s got to be joking ,the video at the end cannot be from an actual nes ,framebuffering those respbarry pie images from a snes emulator, am mean it just can’t be real.

    • @connorm6916
      @connorm6916 5 років тому +64

      @@johneygd the nes allows 25 simultaneous colors. People have done insane shit on this system such as a basic raycaster and a high quality song loop.

    • @1e1001
      @1e1001 4 роки тому +5

      @@connorm6916 didnt he say 13 tho

    • @Bibvock
      @Bibvock 3 роки тому +2

      Didn't take you 22 minutes to get to your punch line like it did this poor fella🤣🤣🤣🤣

  • @gojohnson2511
    @gojohnson2511 Рік тому +408

    Using an NES as a PowerPoint presentation is a power move I can respect

    • @matsv201
      @matsv201 Рік тому +8

      if he only used the power glove

  • @isaacgutierrez139
    @isaacgutierrez139 3 роки тому +497

    I feel like this is the type of thing you'd show a person to prove you're a time traveler.

    • @joda7697
      @joda7697 Рік тому +21

      Oh my god can you imagine giving someone that cartridge at a time when the nintendo entertainment system _just_ came out? What i wouldn't give to see the recipient's face.

    • @seanhunt138
      @seanhunt138 11 місяців тому +3

      If you time travel you will end up in space.

    • @guesswho2778
      @guesswho2778 9 місяців тому +7

      @@seanhunt138 you must be fun at parties.

    • @jamescollier3
      @jamescollier3 5 місяців тому

      lol

    • @official-obama
      @official-obama 4 місяці тому

      @@seanhunt138 what if you just reverse time

  • @tnr.o.d.4236
    @tnr.o.d.4236 3 роки тому +878

    I’ve been emulating hardware for years and I must say this is one the coolest feats of emulation I’ve ever seen.

    • @garystinten9339
      @garystinten9339 2 роки тому

      Get your ass over to MiSTer.. please

    • @goomygaming980
      @goomygaming980 Рік тому +4

      This is obviously reverse emulation

    • @Poldovico
      @Poldovico Рік тому +21

      the virgin software-emulated hardware vs the chad hardware-emulated software.

    • @JSSMVCJR2.1
      @JSSMVCJR2.1 Рік тому +2

      @@Poldovico No to all you wrote.

    • @Poldovico
      @Poldovico Рік тому

      @@JSSMVCJR2.1 whatever

  • @evandavis5223
    @evandavis5223 6 років тому +2040

    Running SNES games on a NES is just awesome. Running NES emulator software on the NES hardware? Now THAT's funny.

    • @santumChannelYes
      @santumChannelYes 6 років тому +6

      yes

    • @radry100
      @radry100 6 років тому +57

      It's running on the raspberry pi. The nintendo is just handling the graphic output.

    • @Membrane556
      @Membrane556 6 років тому +62

      He was using the NES as a display by reprogramming the character set/tiles on the fly since it doesn't have a true frame buffer.

    • @PixyEm
      @PixyEm 6 років тому +35

      Know what would be funnier? Going one step deeper, emulating an NES emulating an NES

    • @B-System
      @B-System 6 років тому +2

      And that's way the fuck more interesting.

  • @ferna2294
    @ferna2294 6 років тому +946

    You basically created something incredible and added about 50 metaphors and possible future technology. You are a genius.

    • @tr3vk4m
      @tr3vk4m 5 років тому +21

      Agreed. Novel and creative thinking combined with the tenacity and capacity to realise his ideas.

  • @Ben-do1bf
    @Ben-do1bf 5 років тому +981

    The controller bits being the same was probably because the SNES was originally planned to be compatible with NES games but that was removed to lower costs.

    • @RocMegamanX
      @RocMegamanX 5 років тому +43

      That's a spirit breaker.

    • @Ben-do1bf
      @Ben-do1bf 5 років тому +17

      @@RocMegamanX Yeah its a shame.

    • @poble
      @poble 5 років тому +9

      it's also worth noting that the snes has a 65816, which is basically a 16-bit version of the 6502 (which was used on the nes), which further proves that nintendo planned backwards compatibility

    • @tobbeborislyba
      @tobbeborislyba 5 років тому +18

      You have any info regarding snes playing nes games? I remember looking into a prototype photo or aomething like that

    • @mrb692
      @mrb692 5 років тому +16

      Alpha Doge I know RGMechEx mentioned that in his overview of how the SNES controller works, but for info beyond that I’d ask google about a backwards compatible SNES

  • @joaomiranda6364
    @joaomiranda6364 5 років тому +211

    this video turned out way weirder and cooler than I thought it would before I clicked on it

  • @tremorlok6659
    @tremorlok6659 4 роки тому +220

    Most of the technical bits were over my head, but the idea of using our own memories to bootstrap advanced functions is so otherworldly that the sci-fi practically writes itself.

    • @Prima10ne
      @Prima10ne Рік тому +20

      did you actually watch this video 2 years ago? Or did you brain just bootstrap the contents into your memory on the fly whilst you sit in a vat of pickle juice?

  • @draconite
    @draconite 5 років тому +3238

    So what you're saying is you can run DOOM on the NES.

    • @Oxxyjoe
      @Oxxyjoe 5 років тому +130

      My toaster can run nasa. But it won't. It's too UPPITY

    • @robler64
      @robler64 5 років тому +47

      What about Quake

    • @ricarleite
      @ricarleite 5 років тому +179

      Technically he can run SM64 on it. If it runs on a raspberry pi, it can run on the NES.
      He is running the game on the Pi, and just rendering the image.

    • @Oxxyjoe
      @Oxxyjoe 5 років тому +32

      @@ricarleite well, that doesn't sound amazing really at all. I mean I'm certainly not able to take a soldering iron to anything without breaking it myself, but just saying, you make it seem like all he's doing is inserting a bad, pixelly filter using a nes. Ah well

    • @Ashnal
      @Ashnal 5 років тому +182

      @@Oxxyjoe Essentially that is what it is. It's running the game on super hardware, and using the console as a glorified input/output medium. That said, there is a LOT of genius in getting the NES to display these things smoothly.

  • @JarrenRocks
    @JarrenRocks 5 років тому +818

    Modifying past technology with new technology is a very interesting 'artificial nostalgia' or 'augmented nostalgia'
    Vaporwave, lofi, and this project are ways that we're essentially creating a new future, using intentionally old parts. I'm interested in seeing this 'niche' develop as time goes on.
    Truly loved this video.

    • @ariss3304
      @ariss3304 5 років тому +13

      Jarren Horrocks this phenomenon isn’t new, it’s existed since the demo scene

    • @eliel1815shadow
      @eliel1815shadow Рік тому +1

      @@ariss3304 demo scene? What do you mean?

    • @lilpumpupthejam9302
      @lilpumpupthejam9302 Рік тому +5

      @@eliel1815shadow demo scene is a scene of people that make homebrew video games, soundtracks, art, etc with video game systems - they've been doing it since atari 2600 and before that too

    • @Prima10ne
      @Prima10ne Рік тому

      its kinda loop on how we all got here isnt it.

    • @thedarkenigma3834
      @thedarkenigma3834 Рік тому +1

      It's called retrofitting.

  • @functional200
    @functional200 2 роки тому +19

    Man invents forwards compatibility

  • @bartkl
    @bartkl 4 роки тому +134

    I revisited this after a year or so, and I honestly still consider this a work of art. Very cool idea but no less important is the details of presentation and philosophy.

  • @IONATVS
    @IONATVS 2 роки тому +78

    As I understood it “blowing on the cartridge” was the folk remedy for ANY case where a cartridge failed to boot, whether from a CIC verification error & reset accompanied by the blinking light and error message or an actual problem of the cartridge not making proper contact with the slot connector contacts-blowing wasn’t a good solution to the problem, but that problem existed even without the CIC chip, and without any checks would allow the game to run with tons of glitches caused by bad reads and the like. The CIC was added for antipiracy reasons, and could be overzealous in doing that job, but if a legit cartridge wasn’t booting, SOMETHING was clearly wrong with how it was connecting to the console so just ignoring that and letting the game run anyway instead of throwing and error and writing “try cleaning the contacts or call Nintendo support” in the troubleshooting part of the manual would be a major QA problem.

    • @Resonantfate
      @Resonantfate 2 роки тому +9

      Yeah, it occured to me as I was reading your comment that the "blow into the cartridge" meme seems like an elaborate way to trick people into reseating the cartridge and trying again. Pretty much like modern rebooting. "did you reboot it?" "OF COURSE I DID!" (they didn't).

    • @Ozzianman
      @Ozzianman Рік тому +2

      ​​@@Resonantfate Ye. I always make sure to specifically ask if they held down the power button on the "hard disk" as some elder folks refer to the PC for 10 seconds before turning it on again.
      Most of the time, it just works. Happy client equals happy IT technician.

  • @SpurdoMaltese
    @SpurdoMaltese 5 років тому +1183

    "But first, we have to talk about parallel universes"

    • @slowgaffle
      @slowgaffle 5 років тому +20

      thats a deep cut

    • @edhc44
      @edhc44 5 років тому +39

      I bet Tom can perform 1/10 of a button press

    • @rexpro02
      @rexpro02 5 років тому +4

      best comment in youtube XDDD you sir, made my day.

    • @SoftBreadSoft
      @SoftBreadSoft 5 років тому +2

      @@edhc44 Playstation controller buttons have multiple analog states, I don't know about 10, but it can be done :^)

    • @Gazzoosethe1
      @Gazzoosethe1 4 роки тому +3

      MARIOS, KING KOOPA HAS KIDNAPPED THE PEACH AND STOLE MY EGGS.

  • @maurinavoni6925
    @maurinavoni6925 6 років тому +535

    please port Skyrim to NES and fulfill Bethesda's dream.

    • @ianthornsburg338
      @ianthornsburg338 6 років тому +15

      YES YES YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

    • @stefanschmidt5186
      @stefanschmidt5186 6 років тому +24

      FUS RETRO DAAAAAAA

    • @KingLich451
      @KingLich451 6 років тому +1

      no

    • @Batavia2000
      @Batavia2000 6 років тому +14

      It just works.

    • @yushatak
      @yushatak 6 років тому +19

      Easiest way would be to stream it to the Pi and show it on the NES, but the hardware wouldn't really be running it, nor would even the cartridge hardware - however, you could hook the NES controller up to the PC through the Pi's networking and a custom driver on the PC. ;3

  • @neozoan
    @neozoan 6 років тому +174

    ... Nintendo Power Point - I'm going to guess this whole concept was inspired by the desire to tell that joke. :-)

  • @computersocsci
    @computersocsci 3 роки тому +146

    OH my god, I've been thinking for years about this idea of feeding something smarter than a cartridge into original NES hardware (but I have no CE skills whatsoever)! Awesome video!

    • @Longbowgun
      @Longbowgun 2 роки тому +12

      They did this with the Atari 2600. A cart fed RAM data with a cassette tape: tapes were cheaper than ROMs (at the time). THE STARPATH SUPERCHARGER!

    • @LemonbreadSC
      @LemonbreadSC 2 роки тому +7

      dwarf fortress fan

    • @chickemns1304
      @chickemns1304 2 роки тому +3

      Nice pfp

    • @LutraLovegood
      @LutraLovegood Рік тому

      @@Longbowgun And with a few other consoles too, like the 32X for the Megadrive. Even the N64 had an add-on that was used for some games. But this stopped with the PlayStation and the PlayStation One, after that we only got smaller versions of the same console or upgraded versions of it.

  • @BlueTelevisionGames
    @BlueTelevisionGames 4 роки тому +552

    This was fun to watch.

    • @Eschelaun
      @Eschelaun 4 роки тому +1

      Eh love your channel, cool to see you around!

    • @DeusVult838
      @DeusVult838 3 роки тому +1

      Hi Darby! Your one of my favorite you tubers!

    • @tauon_
      @tauon_ 3 роки тому +1

      Ayy

    • @bikeh
      @bikeh 3 роки тому +1

      Ha!

    • @Trippsy05
      @Trippsy05 3 роки тому +1

      I watched BTG videos when I was younger. Completely forgot they existed.

  • @SianaGearz
    @SianaGearz 6 років тому +329

    You don't have to harvest CIC chips, you can now make new ones, it's fully reverse engineered. There's an ATTiny13A firmware that emulates it, AVRCIC. You can even buy ones from someone who's luckier than you at programming fusebits, something like $5 from a place that sells repro cartridge supplies.
    Also if it was my NES, i would have just opened it up and lifted the reset pin from internal CIC. Nobody needs that thing. But then, i understand that you want it to be specifically an "unmodified" NES, so I C.
    I have a hard time believing Pi isn't fast enough for Nintendo cartridge bus, it must be just system overhead. You'll probably have more luck with a kernel driver than with a user space write. Otherwise, ATMega, STM32, something like that? You can make the timing crisp and correct, you can do it. Maybe i should do it.

    • @tom7
      @tom7  6 років тому +81

      I'm writing directly to the memory mapped registers on the BCM chip (even disabling memory barriers), so I think this is as fast as it gets? It may just not be designed for MHz GPIO. An embedded microcontroller is surely the right way to go, but it's very appealing to have ssh and all my development tools on the machine itself. Lesson learned!

    • @RichardAssar
      @RichardAssar 6 років тому +28

      Is the PI running a realtime kernel? medium.com/@metebalci/latency-of-raspberry-pi-3-on-standard-and-real-time-linux-4-9-kernel-2d9c20704495
      I'm also thinking github.com/bugblat/pif might be an interesting approach.

    • @samgentle
      @samgentle 6 років тому +24

      Might be worth looking into a BeagleBone - the Black and the PocketBeagle both have two 400MHz onboard "PRU" microcontrollers with predictable timing that are specifically intended for bitbanging and other shenanigans.
      PS I wonder if you could do this trick in reverse by getting an emulator to read the ROM from a special file (FUSE or network mount or something similar) that changes while being read?

    • @DerTabak
      @DerTabak 6 років тому +9

      I think at least for the latency you could just write a kernel driver which uses the GPIO pin as an interrupt and bitbangs some data. Not sure what the latency is there but it is worth a try, since then you could get rid of the prediction. Also from a kernel driver you can disable interrupts for a core at your own discretion while bitbanging stuff outside of the interrupt handler (if you need it).

    • @KuraIthys
      @KuraIthys 6 років тому +21

      The 6502 family is notoriously demanding and finicky for memory access speeds.
      Since you're emulating the system bus, you have to keep up with the CPU (and PPU, since in the NES that has it's own bus in the cartridge) or things go badly wrong.
      Most flash cart developers have found microcontrollers can't keep up.
      Someone was trying to develop one for SNES, but even though the maximum speed on the cartridge bus is 3.58 mhz, for various reasons they found that even a 100 mhz CPU was nowhere close to being able to keep up if it had to feed the bus in realtime.
      This is why pretty much every flash cart ever uses an FPGA. Those can be optimised to do the bus transfers with the proper timing without much hassle, where for a microprocessor or the like it's a really tricky bit of realtime coding.
      Even if you can get it working, the timing of it means you'll struggle to do much else at the same time, even on a very fast processor.

  • @CrashFan03
    @CrashFan03 6 років тому +352

    You should put Super Mario All Stars on this baby so we can come full circle.

  • @JohnZyski
    @JohnZyski 5 років тому +810

    If your humor were any drier, it would evaporate.

    • @error.418
      @error.418 5 років тому +42

      The ocean evaporates all day every day... and it's pretty wet...

    • @italliancanadiancommunist4556
      @italliancanadiancommunist4556 5 років тому +51

      And then I said that's not a camel, that's my wife.

    • @cornoc
      @cornoc 5 років тому +7

      and then i said that's not the saharan desert, no, that is my sense of humor

    • @kidyomu89
      @kidyomu89 5 років тому +19

      So is good humor *wet* humor? Thanks, now when I smell good humor, I'll know the proper thing to say is "Hahah, that joke was sopping wet!".

    • @cornoc
      @cornoc 5 років тому

      @@kidyomu89 haha thanks

  • @Anafyral666
    @Anafyral666 5 років тому +651

    Man disliking eating a boot: understandable
    Man liking eating a boot: ok
    Mario eating a boot: that could be funny
    Samus eating a tide pod: literally lol'd

    • @rpgaholic8202
      @rpgaholic8202 3 роки тому +44

      Well, the boot was a metaphor for a really tough steak anyways. The disheveled man crying eating a boot is him realizing he got a horrible steak and powering through eating it because he's starving otherwise. The wealthy man eating the boot is him being a snob and saying "if you haven't eaten a steak this way, you've not truly lived" or some other such nonsense. Mario eating a boot happens all the time when he's jumped on by enemies anyways, and Samus eating a Tide Pod is just downright hilarious, no explanation needed.

    • @alakani
      @alakani 3 роки тому +33

      ​@@rpgaholic8202 I thought the hilarious part was that the poorest people used to still be able to afford bad steaks before Reagan told everybody that wage slavery is cool, and now I'm still paying off loans for a steak I ate in 2006 while people tell me how much harder things used to be and that I should just eat cardboard

    • @supermaster2012
      @supermaster2012 3 роки тому +9

      @@alakani you're in debt because of Obongo, don't blame Reagan for it.

    • @kjl3080
      @kjl3080 3 роки тому +8

      @@rpgaholic8202 the explanation is that Sami’s eating a tide pod is an anachronism, and the juxtaposition creates humor

    • @martinkrauser4029
      @martinkrauser4029 2 роки тому +11

      @@alakani USAian wages have only risen to match inflation, ie. stagnated in real terms, as early as the mid 70s. Reagan sure helped keep it that way, but it's not this one guy's fault. The capitalist system is failing to reward the actual creators of value and is instead accumulating capital with the business owners - and it can't work in any other way, because why else would capital owners invest in a business.

  • @josemembreno3134
    @josemembreno3134 2 роки тому +5

    this is one of the most surreal videos i have ever seen. the utter strangeness of the beginning. the roundabout way everything is said and explained in. the utter refusal to call the NES anything other than "a nintendo" despite this person seeming way too young to be calling it that. the completely plain and matter-of-fact manner of speaking and telling jokes. to top it all off, it's just got lots of technical info i don't fully understand.
    this video has it all!

  • @veda-powered
    @veda-powered 5 років тому +81

    You can actually plug an snes controller into an nes with just a passive adapter, then you can just change the controller read loop on the nes to read in 16 bits, the last four of which will be constant (I think it’s %0001.)

    • @ts4gv
      @ts4gv 9 місяців тому

      less elegant

  • @DamianReloaded
    @DamianReloaded 6 років тому +68

    You gotta do a TED talk using only this 14' TV (20'?), remotely from your bedroom. Wearing shorts.

    • @tom7
      @tom7  6 років тому +40

      I actually did give this talk (or something pretty close) in Seattle last week in an opera hall at a conference called Deconstruct. It was a 40' screen! :)

  • @VictorCampos87
    @VictorCampos87 6 років тому +196

    16:44 English is not my native language. So let me understand. *He put a Raspberry Pi 3 inside a NES cartridge and made it run the Super Mario World for SNES on the original NES hardware?* Is it? If yes it's amazing!

    • @gytux0258
      @gytux0258 6 років тому +24

      +Vikrinox The NES does a little more than simply show an image from the pi from what i understand. It also renders it.

    • @paulstelian97
      @paulstelian97 5 років тому +9

      @@gytux0258 The CPU side does rather little. The graphics chip (PPU) takes and renders everything.

    • @DoomRater
      @DoomRater 4 роки тому +5

      To be more speciifc, one of the jobs of the CPU is to handle the controller buffer. Because all the buttons on the NES are actually buffered and read into the console one bit at a time.

    • @20thcenturydenzel_alt
      @20thcenturydenzel_alt 4 роки тому +2

      NO. He put the actual raspberry pie on the NES cartridge!

    • @Sh-hg8kf
      @Sh-hg8kf 4 роки тому

      But how does the ppu render so many colors? It can only display a max of 16 colors at any time right?

  • @miguel0n338
    @miguel0n338 5 років тому +57

    Holy crap! This is so much more than a joke. I know enough 6502 Assembly to know that's a ridiculous amount of work! Nice job! :)

  • @outsider344
    @outsider344 2 роки тому +2

    "and that's all I've got for you..." Possibly the greatest understatement I have ever seen.

  • @MagnumForce51
    @MagnumForce51 6 років тому +297

    Now you should run Genesis games on that.... Wrong system games being played on the wrong generation hardware. :D

    • @mariannmariann2052
      @mariannmariann2052 5 років тому +38

      What about Saturn/N64 games on an SNES? Wrong system, wrong generation, wrong dimensional game.

    • @Known_as_The_Ghost
      @Known_as_The_Ghost 5 років тому +40

      @@mariannmariann2052 F*** it.
      Play Grand Theft Auto 5 on the NES

    • @MrSethamessiah
      @MrSethamessiah 5 років тому +1

      That would be funny.

    • @s.moorefilms3760
      @s.moorefilms3760 5 років тому +39

      Nintendo does what nintendont.

    • @ExtremeWreck
      @ExtremeWreck 4 роки тому +3

      @@Known_as_The_Ghost Nah dude, Crysis on Fairchild Channel F.

  • @TheGerkuman
    @TheGerkuman 6 років тому +9

    The set-up is golden. You get six minutes in, and suddenly it clicks into place. Well done.

  • @ScottPaladin
    @ScottPaladin 6 років тому +315

    This was a slow burn but at the 17 minute mark I actually burst out laughing. I really appreciate the work you put into this.

    • @umageddon
      @umageddon 6 років тому +7

      Scott Paladin your avatar is your... beard... ?

    • @jedihunter176
      @jedihunter176 6 років тому +21

      I feel completely...whelmed.
      Like it's funny, I didn't laugh, but it's a slowly metabolizing joke, like refried beans.

    • @achtsekundenfurz7876
      @achtsekundenfurz7876 2 роки тому

      10:18 for me. Mother🍆er!

  • @KarldorisLambley
    @KarldorisLambley 2 роки тому +5

    'i'll need some resistors or somethng, I am not totally naive about this', was the funniest thing I have encountered for months'

  • @andriypredmyrskyy7791
    @andriypredmyrskyy7791 5 років тому +34

    still the most underrated channel ever.

  • @midorifox
    @midorifox 5 років тому +147

    _Tom7 runs a SNES game on the NES_
    *Nintendo would like to know your location*

  • @xreev0x
    @xreev0x 5 років тому +21

    Wow! You actually made me feel not nerdy enough. This was one of the most impressive technical feats I have seen. Great work, man! I cannot express how impressed I am.

    • @alexjohnward
      @alexjohnward 5 років тому +1

      have you seen flappy bird on super mario world?

  • @gkcs
    @gkcs 6 років тому +261

    7:20 OMG!
    Every half a year or so, I feel glad I subscribed to you :D

  • @Sinn0100
    @Sinn0100 4 роки тому +28

    Your giving the Nes blast processing! Your work is quite good and I encourage you to make demos showing what the Nes can do. There are contests all over the world that do this. I have witnessed both the Nes and Master System do things that would blow your mind. Look up the witch running on the Master System. It's basically an FMV that wouldn't look out of place on say...a PS2. I saw this as any higher and you hit a wall with resolution. It's like a full 3-4 minute FMV with heavy trance and house music playing. Check it out as I think you sir, have the chops to compete.
    Addendum- I have watched a guy run Doom through the Nes...I believe it's a Raspberry Pi running through the Nes's PPU.

  • @timothyschonberger1198
    @timothyschonberger1198 4 роки тому +10

    Love this! As far as I remember, the SNES controller uses the same shift register as the NES, but two of them instead. Likely, they put Y, B, L, and R on the 2nd one.

  • @whatsf2
    @whatsf2 6 років тому +74

    if you went back to the 80s and showed a gamer the 3D-ified Zelda at 0:12 , I wonder what they’d say

  • @finaltheorygames1781
    @finaltheorygames1781 6 років тому +22

    So your telling me that your rasberry pie in your NES cart is like the SA-1 chip in an SNES cart. In other words you created an off the shelf enhancement "chip" for NES cartridges. You are a legend!!!

  • @sinom
    @sinom 5 років тому +17

    So I just found this video again after about a year and I still love it and find it confusingly amazing.

    • @tom7
      @tom7  5 років тому +5

      Sinom yay!

  • @SheepUndefined
    @SheepUndefined 6 місяців тому +1

    No joke, that last bit about using memories for transhumanism literally gave me some ideas for a cyberpunk plot I've been thinking on.

  • @Jophish126
    @Jophish126 2 роки тому +2

    love catching glimpses of your raw devotion to gesticulating to the crt whenever a black frame comes along

  • @TheLastAnalogJunkie
    @TheLastAnalogJunkie 6 років тому +50

    So, breaking this down to it’s most basic level. In essence you basically just used a RasPi to convolutedly feed the NES a video stream of the Pi itself in a form that uses the NES’ graphical capability. Basically acting to the console as if it were an enchancement chip, all while taking inputs from the controller while it was running videos and an emulator on the Pi.
    In other words, the NES acted like the Pi was a game, but all the real heavy lifting was on the Pi.

    • @trentonh.m.1487
      @trentonh.m.1487 6 років тому +23

      TheLastAnalogJunkie yeah, it's almost like a super fx chip, but on crack.

  • @HayleyMitrano1
    @HayleyMitrano1 6 років тому +8

    As a heads up, The space in the cart is from when they initally shipped famicom pinout boards with a converter board to US 72 pin inside. These can be harvested to let you play famicom games on a toploader.

  • @hitmanbobina4767
    @hitmanbobina4767 6 років тому +95

    "in case you're wondering, the reason this is funny..."
    you got me
    it was unexpected that you would be so nonchalant about it xD

    • @rawtrout007
      @rawtrout007 5 років тому +1

      😂😂😂😂😂😂😂💯💯💯💯💯💯👌👌👌

  • @WellSwolen69
    @WellSwolen69 4 місяці тому +3

    Why is UA-cam showing me this now, and not 6 years ago?

  • @casperdewith
    @casperdewith 2 роки тому +4

    Wow. I was blown away as soon as I saw the ‘Nintendo presents’ screen. Insane! Good explanation. You show mastery of your craft!

  • @JohnRiggs
    @JohnRiggs 6 років тому +151

    Oh my dear lord, that's brilliant.

    • @otesunki
      @otesunki 6 років тому

      Hi John Riggs!

  • @trbr6705
    @trbr6705 5 років тому +46

    use a toploader NES, no CIC chip. or just jump pin 4 to ground.

  • @joshyelon1386
    @joshyelon1386 6 років тому +9

    I watched this twice because I felt like I was right on the edge of learning something important... and I'm not sure what it is. I gotta say, though, this is nuts amount of work.

  • @danieldorn2927
    @danieldorn2927 5 років тому +16

    This kinda reminds me of the Full Motion Video fad in the 90's

  • @slusheewolf2143
    @slusheewolf2143 5 років тому +68

    My boyfriend bought NES Maker, and I watched him program all the graphics himself with the pallete editor. The program, supports Real Mode, which is the auto-converted plate from the actual NES pallete. THE AMOUNT OF HOURS you may have put into this single video actually hurts me.

    • @Tiago-
      @Tiago- 5 років тому +8

      @Leofashionista1, I think they were commenting on the possibly massive amount of time it took him to make this video. It was a positive comment.

  • @TheRestartPoint
    @TheRestartPoint 6 років тому +14

    Fascinating stuff, it reminds me of the Chinese SNES accessory that enables you to play Mega Drive games on it, but that's a lot simpler in operation, basically just a cart containing a Mega Drive on a chip, that draws power from the SNES and reads the pads, and has it's own AV output.

  • @MrCBroz
    @MrCBroz 6 років тому +64

    Speaking as someone familiar with neuroscience, the brain is very dynamic. I would be very surprised if human 'hardware injection' became viable. It's very hard to use a rom address if the hardware substrate changes unpredictably any time you read/write anything semi-related. And there are human subjects ethical concerns about making that neural substrate process any more predictable than it already is. High spatial resolution (MRI) neuroimaging methods have already gotten to the point where higher resolution is unsafe for the prolonged exposures we would need to examine neural level memory access. ECoG is exciting work, but it's still only for rare brain surgery cases, and only at the cortex. Instead, we can look to philosophers who would claim that your cellphone is already a hardware injection. It offloads memory and, if considered a part of 'you', makes you way more capable at certain tasks than you already are.

    • @RAFMnBgaming
      @RAFMnBgaming 5 років тому +3

      It'd be difficult to hack directly into the brain, yes, but would it be easier to add a bypass into, let's say, one of your optic nerves. Let's say we could use the muscle contraction signals from the brain to work out what point the eye is looking and focusing on at any given moment, and if the eye is looking at wherever we want to render our HUD, intercept and replace the output from the relevant rod/cone nerves with the relevant signal. You wouldn't have to know what's going on inside the brain to convert that data into a sense of vision, you'd only need to know what signals the nerves send for each colour/shade. And if you do it only on one eye, hopefully you'd still be able to tell that it's not actually there, like listening to mono audio out of one ear of your headphone.
      When i say easier, i mean it wouldn't require much new knowledge. Building that probably wouldn't be very easy.

    • @RAFMnBgaming
      @RAFMnBgaming 5 років тому +2

      Hell. let's make it easier. Teach someone braille then hook up a handful of the nerves in their pinky finger to electrodes and you're already sending information directly into the nervous system. And as far as I can tell we could probably do that today.

    • @SqueakyNeb
      @SqueakyNeb 5 років тому +4

      @@RAFMnBgaming there's people putting small magnets in their fingers to feel electromagnetic fields, and apparently the brain comfortably assimilates it as a new sense. You even get a "stereo image" with multiple fingers modified. I suspect you could make something like this work.

    • @tr3vk4m
      @tr3vk4m 5 років тому +3

      Step away from the imagined necessity for physical connection for a second - we are already doing this and have been doing so since the industrial revolution.

  • @J-Ton
    @J-Ton 2 роки тому +2

    Neither of these are jokes but they are very clever engineering

  • @Duda286
    @Duda286 Рік тому +1

    this got very very quickly from messing with a NES to gradual neural transfer/substitution...
    ...and you have all my support (I can't help. BUT)
    I'm starting biomedicine
    Some years later, if you haven't worked on that yet by then, well, I'd be glad to have your help :D

  • @justkarkat9575
    @justkarkat9575 6 років тому +68

    This video is absolutely amazing, not only is it technically very interesting, it is interesting in general. Would love to see more like this!

    • @tom7
      @tom7  6 років тому +7

      Thank you! :)

    • @christopherhurley2570
      @christopherhurley2570 6 років тому

      Seriously this is fantastic, I hope you keep screwing with cartridge reverse emulating for other systems, or just more of this, I can't get enough.

  • @ProtoMario
    @ProtoMario 6 років тому +218

    This is amazing, I will promote you for sure!

  • @CTRIX64
    @CTRIX64 6 років тому +11

    Nice! NES (emulated) on a NES is certainly where the humor lay for me (as someone who's dev'd on both NES and SNES). There used to be a site called 256b dedicated to 256 byte demos which had some brilliant self decompiling executables. Surprising, and probably most amusing, was how many versions people came up with! Good luck with continued work on the project. You could possibly do a frame-buffer / tile bank-switcher to avoid some screen artifacts; although I kinda like it's straight-to-pie little visual oddities :-)

    • @jasonrubik
      @jasonrubik 2 роки тому

      My favorite 256 byte demo is "A Mind is Born" : ua-cam.com/video/sWblpsLZ-O8/v-deo.html

  • @SPEXWISE
    @SPEXWISE 5 років тому +12

    I was mainly thinking that I don't know how or why you are doing any of this until the moment you revealed a SNES game running on an unmodified NES. 😲

  • @boscorner
    @boscorner 2 місяці тому +1

    I watched this video on mushrooms once and it blew my mind. Thought it was the drugs but now, sober, it's just as mind blowing

  • @laptop006
    @laptop006 6 років тому +82

    If you use PID masking to force your code, and only your code to run on one core on the Pi3 then that should hopefully help with the interruptions.

    • @tom7
      @tom7  6 років тому +31

      Well, I need two cores, unfortunately. I used isolcpus and nohz_all and cpu affinity and everything else I could find, but nothing seemed to help. It seems that interrupts are happening on all four cores, and that the BCM chip doesn't actually support per-cpu interrupt masking. :/ There may be a shallow solution to this problem, though. I'm certainly not a linux expert!

    • @mechris13524
      @mechris13524 6 років тому +27

      Write your own OS!

    • @SSardonic
      @SSardonic 6 років тому +52

      Did you try using a realtime kernel? I'm not a linux expert either (or even a raspberry pi amateur), but I believe if you can get a realtime kernel running, linux will never interrupt the user processes (it waits for user processes to yield to it, instead)

    • @RichardAssar
      @RichardAssar 6 років тому +2

      Exactly my thoughts when I saw the flashing, you could potentially bypass Linux entirely.

    • @leonidasvilleneuve
      @leonidasvilleneuve 6 років тому +5

      You really should try a realtime kernel, as suggested above. That was the first thing that came into my mind watching the video

  • @RobertMilesAI
    @RobertMilesAI 6 років тому +751

    Hah, NES games are more expensive than SNES games? What an amusingly improper hierarchy!

    • @KuraIthys
      @KuraIthys 6 років тому +48

      And Super Famicom games are an order of magnitude cheaper than their western (European or US) equivalents.
      US game? $300. Japanese equivalent? Eh. $15

    • @askhowiknow5527
      @askhowiknow5527 6 років тому +12

      Also that isn’t a hierarchy...

    • @jsrodman
      @jsrodman 6 років тому +11

      Ho ho ho, how improper!

    • @teamhex
      @teamhex 6 років тому +8

      Not an improper hierarchy. Rarity and demand are the driving factor. Logically people from the NES era have more money than the SNES era(my people).

    • @matthewb9932
      @matthewb9932 6 років тому +1

      Jake Bishop
      Whom'st DOM?

  • @LimeGreenTeknii
    @LimeGreenTeknii 6 років тому +329

    I think the funniest joke would be to have a cartridge that appears normal and looks like it plays a regular Nintendo game, but part way through it becomes 3D or something, and then give the cartridge to somebody who wouldn't know that's what's on the cartridge.

    • @Rpodnee
      @Rpodnee 6 років тому +28

      LimeGreenTeknii Ah yes the ol switcheroo

    • @KuraIthys
      @KuraIthys 6 років тому +57

      I thought about trolling people by creating sonic for SNES then sticking an actual Z80 and YM2612 in the cartridge and feeding the sound through the audio input pins on the cartridge.
      Or maybe sonic is too obvious. Just the thought of trolling people by using a Mega Drive's sound chip in a SNES amuses me somehow. XD

    • @yorgle
      @yorgle 6 років тому +2

      Love it! :D

    • @BierBart12
      @BierBart12 6 років тому +10

      And that is how true creepypastas are made.

    • @exelotl6194
      @exelotl6194 6 років тому +1

      the Octocat Adventures of NES games

  • @samg3456
    @samg3456 Рік тому +1

    I thought I just found this video and then i found a 1 year old comment I wrote that said "showed me funny NES :) then promoted transhumanism :("
    I assumed I was being dramatic and pretentious so I deleted the comment and rewatched the video as if it was a new video due to my faulty human memory, but then yeah, you did entertain some pretty directly transhumanistic concepts. The idea of treating the brain as a modular system to which we can add new processing units is comforting in the face of AI. I starting tuning into conversations about this stuff after CRISPR had made a few rounds in the 24 hour news cycle and it started to seem like an inevitable future.
    I still really struggle with the knowledge that I am not a singular thing, that my brain is an elaborate machine made of individual parts. Human consciousness used to seem like something beyond physical reality, but it turns out it's not even a true category. I was and still am kind of grieving my old concept of consciousness, and it doesn't help that it seems like new AI could render me obsolete in a capitalist sense. So of course I would then find it attractive to modify my brain, be that through inducing hyper plasticity to whatever cortex i want to improve on, or literally outsourcing the work to a computer.
    I have no doubt that the line between consciousness and computer is going to become progressively blurred as we approach what may or may not be the technological singularity. But a few years ago I ran into the work of Douglas Rushkoff and his book Team Human. It introduced me to the idea that human consciousness, while not the kind of divine basic truth that I thought it was, is still sacred. Everything I know myself to be is written inside this complex, idiosyncratic, subconscious framework which I couldn't begin to articulate. And while it can be miserable to be stuck in our own brains, we shouldn't jump to start pushing buttons and rewiring things. Once we can truly understand the inner working of our consciousness (something I'm not sure is truly possible) then we might be in a position to alter ourselves in a way that doesn't require internal work. But just as there are no shortcuts to exercise, there are no shortcuts to mental well-being, and no such thing as being in perfect shape. A road that starts with storing memories externally might end with such an obsession with mind expansion that we lose everything that makes us what we are. Like the Ship of Theseus, we may just slowly replace ourselves until we are functionally extinct. Not to mention that, under capitalism, we're getting into new levels of inequality and eugenics undertones by introducing extremely powerful brain enhancements.
    These things can't be uninvented, the computers will always get better, but it is our choice to decide that we are enough. We are not in competition with it, we hopefully aren't under threat by it, and we don't need to change how we percieve ourselves. no matter what the silicone mind grows to be, it doesn't make living a human life less valuable.

  • @otesunki
    @otesunki 4 роки тому +2

    Congrats! You just reinvented SNES enhancement chips.

  • @queebles
    @queebles 5 років тому +36

    You gave me the expectation that this would be funny and then you violated that expectation. Hilarious...

  • @lindsaywheatcroft8247
    @lindsaywheatcroft8247 5 років тому +55

    I mean, it’s basically like a Super FX chip that’s many generations ahead of the format it’s buffing

    • @officermeowmeowfuzzyface4408
      @officermeowmeowfuzzyface4408 5 років тому

      Well no, but having co-processors would be handy if writing software for the NES.

    • @0o0Zero0o0
      @0o0Zero0o0 5 років тому

      Y-Your profile pic is doing wonders with the sarcastic monotone delivery I have in my head.

    • @lindsaywheatcroft8247
      @lindsaywheatcroft8247 5 років тому

      0o0Zero0o0 is it really. Great, that’s just what I had in mind with it.

  • @WIGGLESLIVE
    @WIGGLESLIVE 5 років тому +69

    News report about parents being upset over the SNES and how Super Mario World won't play on the NES:
    Parent: Why can't you just buy the cassette?
    Reporter: Because it doesn't play in the regular one, you have to buy the "Super" unit.
    Man, that aged badly.
    -Now that's funny-

  • @GavinusMaximusMaster
    @GavinusMaximusMaster 6 місяців тому +2

    Wasn't ready for the existential crisis at the end haha

  • @hannibalcase1100
    @hannibalcase1100 3 роки тому +3

    "The barriers between us have fallen, and we have become... Our own shadows."

  • @TacoScott
    @TacoScott 6 років тому +166

    If you tighten up this video, it's a Ted talk. Amazing. 😀

    • @graegoles8382
      @graegoles8382 5 років тому +2

      @@mayshack still pretty fkn respectable imo

    • @chezcake256
      @chezcake256 5 років тому +2

      how to turn this into ted talk
      1. remove video
      2. MAKE SURE TO KEEP AUDIO
      3. get footage of already existing ted talk
      4. remove video above person (or whatever)
      5. add echo to audio
      6. remember step 5? change video to original video
      congrats

    • @JTGames1000
      @JTGames1000 5 років тому +2

      Its actually a Tom7Talk

  • @laggykun
    @laggykun 6 років тому +164

    NOW YOURE PLAYING WITH POWER
    point.

    • @pseudotasuki
      @pseudotasuki 5 років тому +3

      tahu nuva Yes, that was the joke.

    • @kimgkomg
      @kimgkomg 5 років тому +1

      Haha smash 4 amirite

  • @postvideo97
    @postvideo97 6 років тому +57

    Is this the ultimate troll? :P "Why use the HDMI output when you can use the data bus of the Nintendo."

  • @OGBuddah
    @OGBuddah 5 років тому +2

    That was quite interesting. I can't even imagine the work that went into creating that, not even considering the time it took to pull those thoughts and put them together in a means to convey them. Regardless it is much appreciated.

  • @MagicPlants
    @MagicPlants Рік тому +1

    How does this not have 10 million views and likes by now???!? it's god tier

  • @benjaminbrady2385
    @benjaminbrady2385 6 років тому +4

    Man, this is one of the best made videos that I’ve seen in a long time despite being a camera pointed at a NES

    • @rolandhatton2668
      @rolandhatton2668 6 років тому +1

      Benjamin Brady that was part of the greatness

  • @CDromatron
    @CDromatron 6 років тому +206

    Great video! One thing I will say though is you missed a golden opportunity to try run sonic on a nes, that woulda been great!

    • @Uejji
      @Uejji 6 років тому +39

      It would have been humorous but, I think, outside of the message of "improper hierarchy." Running a SNES game on an NES was the anachronism, and emulating an NES game on the NES cart to be played on the NES was the strange loop.

    • @tom7
      @tom7  6 років тому +110

      Sorry, Genesis does what Nintendon't!

    • @fanzyflani3576
      @fanzyflani3576 6 років тому +10

      That's why you emulate the Master System Sonic games

    • @bitelaserkhalif
      @bitelaserkhalif 6 років тому +2

      There's one, Somari.

    • @RadicalSharkRS
      @RadicalSharkRS 6 років тому

      guys remember some on made sonic 2 on snes? search it up ps dam amazing but not the bootleg * the real game*

  • @rileyrobin2
    @rileyrobin2 5 років тому +6

    Absolutely brilliant! Big fan of your comedic timing and mad, mad science.

  • @ElTurbinado
    @ElTurbinado Рік тому +4

    you could use the realtime kernel for finer control over that 4-core version, with some thoughtful scheduling you might be able to avoid the linux interruption hiccups.

  • @drivers99
    @drivers99 3 роки тому +6

    I remember someone making a game that has 4 games on the screen at the same time and you control them all simultaneously (not that all inputs go to all 4 games, but you have to switch between them fast to keep them all going). So maybe you could run 4 NES games at the same time.

  • @fingerprince3737
    @fingerprince3737 6 років тому +56

    I was confused as to where the QPU was on the NES motherboard, but I remembered that they didn't add that until the N64.

  • @lan._.
    @lan._. 6 років тому +4

    Super impressive work! I love your projects, so creative and fun. SMW on the NES was a great punchline. I hope the bionic replacement technology that you talked about at the end develops within my lifetime.

  • @ThatNateGuy
    @ThatNateGuy 6 років тому +13

    Okay, the stuff you're doing with your NES and the Pi Zero are stuff I've been toying with in my head for ages and well, well beyond. Good show!

  • @invujerry
    @invujerry Рік тому +1

    I audibly laughed towards the end of the video when you said “Let’s get back to the Nintendo Power Point”. Got me to subscribe

  • @KingofJ95
    @KingofJ95 2 роки тому +1

    I remember hearing that blowing in the cartridge slot does nothing to help and can be harmful. So I decided that the next cartridge I inserted that didn't read properly wouldn't get that treatment. It would be removed and reinserted, cleaned with a cotton swab, the works. I tried fifty times in a row to make that cartridge read, and it never did. Then I blew in the cartridge and the port, and it worked immediately.

  • @unarei
    @unarei 6 років тому +498

    you should give this cartridge to someone else with a Nintendo and get their reaction to it

    • @UAVwaffle
      @UAVwaffle 6 років тому +18

      U would watch it.

    • @UAVwaffle
      @UAVwaffle 6 років тому +7

      I* not u

    • @unarei
      @unarei 6 років тому +40

      +UAVwaffle U would watch it

    • @unarei
      @unarei 6 років тому +13

      +
      「 OKAY 」
      It's pretty cool that you can have a game cartridge that plays a newer game than the console would normally support

    • @timmydirtyrat6015
      @timmydirtyrat6015 6 років тому +2

      It wouldn't make much sense without the narration and homebrews like this aren't very impressive, incorporating it into a video is pretty impressive though.

  • @ChrisLeeW00
    @ChrisLeeW00 6 років тому +36

    Kind of reminds me of the upgrade addons that Sega made for the genesis. Can we get a Nintendo Tower of Power?

  • @matt4193
    @matt4193 6 років тому +14

    So it's an absurdly powerful flashcart. *nice*

    • @rolandhatton2668
      @rolandhatton2668 6 років тому +3

      Matt its more like an electronic enigma imposing a rudimentary concept as a super flash cart into your mind so that your brain doesn't fry from its true trancendant nature.

  • @Jubinmail
    @Jubinmail Рік тому

    this is like the presentation that a expert gives, which sounds interesting, but actually goes over your head

  • @RetroDawn
    @RetroDawn 3 роки тому +2

    Ah, bus stuffing from the Atari VCS, done now on the NES. ;) STill, impressive! I very much enjoyed your joke meta talk and your new term of improper hierarchy.
    You might have already done this, but you might want to investigate the Pitrex, which is the same type of thing for the Vectrex, but they support a bare metal mode, which allows for real-time performance, rather than running on Linux. They also have been working on paring down Linux so there are less interruptions when running Linux on the Pi.

  • @thecodingethan
    @thecodingethan 6 років тому +68

    Brain: Ok I need to think of a joke.
    Raspberry Pi: Gotcha fam, here it is.
    Brain: Accessing memory.

    • @asp-uwu
      @asp-uwu 6 років тому +16

      _this might cause graphical glitches..._

    • @renakunisaki
      @renakunisaki 6 років тому +6

      I hate when the write happens before the read and I think of the punchline before the joke.

  • @Defeshh
    @Defeshh 6 років тому +4

    I love your channel, you are a mad genius.
    EDIT: Also I love how meta it gets with the presentation. I had an idea kinda like the types of ideas that you have; hear me out.
    Get a powerful calculator like the Texas or the HP and load up some electronics programs, karnaugh or anything you need. Now only using the calculator itself as a tool and pen and paper (maybe an oscilloscope too); try to reverse engineer the calculator.
    The calculator is trying to understand itself through you.

  • @CNLohr
    @CNLohr 6 років тому +4

    You may want to consider messing with orange pis (specifically something tiny like the orange pi one). They're generally cheaper, smaller, etc. and still have all 4 cores. You can relatively conveniently set core affinity so you can get pretty low latency operation.

  • @Drakkheart
    @Drakkheart 2 місяці тому +1

    Running a SNES game on an NES is an amazing accomplishment. Running an NES emulator on an NES, on the other hand, is top tier humor.

  • @Luke_Stoltenberg
    @Luke_Stoltenberg Рік тому +1

    I think I get recommended this once every year. It's still awesome

  • @mootbooxle
    @mootbooxle 6 років тому +5

    I really enjoy listening to your ideas. Thank you for sharing your knowledge, wit, and wisdom!