New Relationships w/ JENNA MISCAVIGE
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I'm watching the replay, and Jenna is much lounder.
Those smiles are so beautiful you are lucky to have found what you have
OMG. Listening to Jenna talk about how she "liked" doing everything her husband did but didn't know herself reminded me of my former marriage. After 8 years together, I had no idea where I had gone. Even 3 years later, I'm still finding new things about myself.
And I hope youre surprising yourself along the way my friend and enjoying things in the moment x
I was like that for the longest time. Until I went to counselling and I changed and grew. Luckily after a couple of grumbles, my husband few with me. It had been a very co dependent relationship for quite some time. Whole different ball game now.
My husband and I are constantly fighting over who gets to do what activity they like. For example, he took us to Vegas for 4 days and planned the whole itinerary (he's the planner, it's something he excels at and I suck at it). He kept asking *ME* what *I* wanted to do. I chose a show that I was more into than him. I had to argue with him to pick something *HE'S* into, whether he believed I'd enjoy it or not! We can enjoy things together that one would enjoy more so than the other, but I want it to be fair and balanced so that one doesn't feel like they're not having their needs met or one is getting themselves lost within the other.
@xXNitemareXx
That's beautiful! You could (maybe to drive home the point to him) that you get more enjoyment out of knowing he's enjoying himself no matter which entertainment either of you pick?
It sounds like you are both willing to put the other *first* & that you are each wanting the best for each other. I'll say it again: that's really beautiful! 😊💕
Oh my goodness. Are they flirting? It’s cute.
Went to couples therapy w/my ex for 6 months. He sit there & lied & lied & lied. Divorce was final on our 10th wedding anniversary. Best thing ever! Been married to 2nd husband for 24 years ❤
I just married my 2nd husband (last Tuesday) after 30 years because that's how scared of marriage I was. We loved together all that time but I was scared to lose my : freedom ' after I signed it over the first time
I saw the sparks, the last couple of times you weee together on the UA-cam.
My heart was touched & warm.
Sending much love from an old lady in Southern California.
❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
Me too
OMG me too!!!
Yes! 💯
I’ve been married to someone for 41 years, and I only knew her for a month in the Sea Org when we got married in 1982. The Sea Org Executives were blindsided by my refusal to bend the knee for the Sea Org and I decided to stick with my wife and now 33 year old daughter and 2 year old granddaughter. Thank you very much.
@mreppen1
So lovely to hear...and so, so rare in Scientology and (nowadays) in modern Society. CONGRATULATIONS! 😊👍❤
Beautiful!
@@fairyspunfibers9098 it wasn’t easy but yes quite an accomplishment!
Haha
41 yrs too! Married in 83 at FH chapel by JD
Wife is from Germany. Came over with the MH Cycle. I was at Steven’s Creek and was sent there at the same time. Our paths crossed and despite an uncommon language I knew she was very special. Proposed to her on Christmas Eve 83 after hanging out by the water after course for about 1 month. Late night cal Mags. Mmm. They gave us the night off back then.
2kids. 2 grandkids. Can’t believe what we’ve been through to get here! 🫣
I think you’re 42 years. Congratulations and enjoy all that comes with it. What a ride!
Absolutely WONDERFUL conversation!!! LOVED this one. I left the cult WITH my husband at 22 yrs married. Stayed married too ❤❤❤❤ love him to pieces and miss him so much 😢
I caught myself grinning watching you guys smiling and interacting with each other. Love is the best thing.
Haha Jenna so quick witted and putting Aaron in his place about the mics there, love that chemistry.
I’ve been married over 40 years and we’ve gone to bed many times mad at each other. Better to go to bed mad than say something in the heat of the moment you can’t take back. The next morning we tread carefully then in no time things are just fine….unless it’s a big fight which has only happened a few times in all these years. Those get discussed the next day.
Congratulations to the 2 of you.wishing you both and Heather all the happiness and love in the new chapters of your lives..
Hopefully Heather will find happiness with a special someone also.
You know thiswill be big when A-Aron isn't wearing black OR blue!!!
😆🩷👍
He's in Lurve...lol
Looks so good in PINK 💖💖💖 i wish them all the happiness ✨
@@irazsoylemez6957 I love a man in a pink shirt.
I thought the same thing. I guess the skies are no longer gray so he’s able to express himself with different colors now. Love to see it!!
Y’all are so right that nobody is having these types of conversations. About how personal relationships are in Scientology or the sea org. Thank y’all both for being willing to open up and talk about your personal experiences and feelings!!! You two rock!
Tom Cruise has had 3 failed marriages, so you gotta wonder how great Scientology really is.
It’s not that women are overly emotional and hold grudges, it’s that underlying boundary violations, injustices and inequalities are never resolved so the same issue keeps reoccurring - the details are different, but the injustice or minimisation of her legitimate concerns is the same.
Sooo true
Wow. A lot to think about. Tks!
You just helped me realize something personally relevant and helpful right now. Thank you!
You’re spot on. Thank you.
🤍 wish you both all the happiness and love you deserve ☺️
Beautiful chat. You’re both incredibly intelligent…and it’s lovely to see you both looking so happy 💕
He put a pink shirt for her ❤
I think Natalie talking about her experience with her ex helped change the perspective. They all support each other and are there for each other now. I think they are a good example of what can happen out of Scientology.
Nora is also friends with her kid's dad!
Jenna is right on the nose. John Gottman- an expert says the same. Communication can’t solve everything sometimes values and priorities are different
Jenna your book was my first read, after I was introduced to Sci-fi from some people in Clearwater!! It was so incredible and sad. You are adorable and beautiful. Happy to see you happy, Aaron as well.
I asked my (grown up) son:"do you want to be right, or do you want to be happy?" He answered: "mom, if I'm right I'm happy" 🤣
From the mouth of babes! 😂
Excellent response 💯
Touche
Per Dr Phil first, I believe.
Been married 40 years in September. It’s ridiculous to not go to bed until every issue is resolved. Many times a break in the conversation is needed to regroup, calm down, etc… Sometimes we just agree to be friends while agreeing to disagree.
Great conversation. Wishing you all & dear Heather much care as you move through this change xo
For true open communication you have to be completely vulnerable. It’s harder than it sounds.
Well Aaron, if it couldn't be me, I'm glad it was you. What a beautiful lady Jenna is. Such a beautiful person. With all of the kind of dark stuff going on in the community lately, it's nice to see some light shining through.
Jenna, you,ve explained your feelings so well. It’s a lot to figure out for yourself. Thank you. ❤
Listening to you both together is such a joy. Your friendship shines through, and that is the basis for everything else! I could write a book about all my thoughts, but I just have to mention the one thing that almost brought me to tears. When Jenna talked about her fear of her kids hating her for getting the divorce-it hit me like a ton of bricks. That thinking could be the result of not knowing unconditional love. Her friends couldn’t understand, because they had that luxury. As do I. Thank you for initiating this series of chats-as a never-in I’ve always felt that there were so many facets of the Scientology damage I could never understand. Even though I, just like most never-ins, have my own, different, trauma. Thank you Aaron and Jenna!
a little old lady that i used to take care of said that she and her husband of 60yrs never went to bed angry bc they would stay up and fight all nite
Laughed out loud!
@@phillipkopp5809 me too. 😂😂
That’s so funny!!!!
@@phillipkopp5809 good bc i did when she said it to me and the other nurses' aide in the room with us 😅
Love this conversation. Core values being a super important topic and I appreciate Aaron and Jenna contrasting the Scn experience and providing insight into the mindset. The "never go to sleep on an upset" tripped me up in my relationship as well, long after I was no longer a Scientologist and still held on to that, which was problematic. Thank you for sharing with us. ❤
An old man told me years ago that regret is a worthless emotion. It serves no purpose but to keep you from moving forward. That advice did not cost $350.00.
That isn't true. It serves ti reflect and realize what mistakes not to repeat. But you can't dwell on it forever.
@@Qrtuop regret is not the same as repentance.
It’s guilt that’s a useless emotion! Guilt serves a purpose - it lets us know we’ve done wrong - but it should be dealt with and processed into something else, perhaps even regret. But unprocessed guilt will literally eat you alive!!! IMHO.
Love this.
@@maryhannah4462 If you look up the dictionary, one of the definitions of regret is literally "repentance". Your "old man" was a simpleton.
What a great and insightful conversation! I learned long ago that 2 happy homes is better than one upset home!
Glad that you have found a way to accept that things are better now! Many blessings to you both Aaron and Jenna!
You both are such excellent, loving, devoted parents. Really heartwarming to hear🥰🥰🥰
So good to see the dynamic & relationship blossoming... formed from friendship too which is all the better imo. congratulations and love to you both 🎉❤ & Jenna I understand the family/loyalty dynamic even as a never in x much love & respect for that one x
It’s amazing how kids really just want their parents to be happy, healthy people who love them.
Been watching and subscribed to you before you had 40k and this has to be one of my favorite lives. Keep doing these. Great for all of us plus its free therapy for you in a way. Lol. Plus Jenna is pure class and integrity. Love her.
Jessa is so articulate regarding how scientology distorts everything that should promote individual's growth and maturity and making it a test of loyalty to the cult.
Love is love. It can overcome anything. Including the A hole comments that are likely to come. You two are great, just stay strong and stay honest. All will be well.❤
This was a great topic for people who have left a cult, especially a cult that does not have one good thing about it to promote genuine kindness, compassion and understanding in relationships. Long term, happy relationships of all kinds, succeed because they are centered on shared interests & goals, a bond of moving up in ones emotional life and building a mutual respect in lots of areas of ones life & community. Scientology respects none of those qualities.
This is the sweetest video. So funny when talking about how Heather and Dallas should get together - they really sound like they would be a good match. And you two are really lovely together.
Growing up Christian we were taught the same thing about not going to sleep mad in different words. But if I told my husband everything that bugged me that day neither of us would be happy. I find if I'm still feeling not good about something he did the next day, then that's worth bring up.
Life is a gift. Be good to each other and treasure every blessing you share together.
Yes, more conversations about how COS affected your personal relationships. It's brave of you two to come online and share very personal information! Thank you for sharing. Your childhood stories break my heart. As a 30+ year public educator, it infuriates me first, then my heart hurts for all of you. Your childhood was taken away from you by a cult. Much admiration to you for being the strong, caring, and successful humans that you've turned out to be!
“In order to exist in this relationship, I had to constantly put myself down.” How many here can relate to this? Very true words. I did that for 30 years and finally woke up and divorced his sorry, self-centered a$$. And yes, therapy can be life changing! ✌🏼
You guys doing this was such a great idea! Very much like Reese and Tommy. It should shut many of the followers (who can think for themselves) of the cranky whiney people who need something to point at to distract from their own disasters. Love you guys!
Thank you for making me smile today. I needed it.
Great in-depth conversation and a very enjoyable watch. Can’t wait for future conversations and maybe even the odd game night with Sterling and bods 💕💪🥳
OMG is there anything that sticks it to David Miscavige more than this.
aarons sticking it to two miscaviges
bahahahaha
Yay!!! So happy for you both ❤❤❤❤
What have I missed? Are these two in a relationship? I know Aaron mentioned he was now seeing someone in a previous video.
@@Duchess_of_Cadishead Yeah, I'm confused too. All it says in the video title is that the two of them are discussing relationships.
Oh my gosh..these two are incredibly adorable!❤
Marriage longevity isn't always the greatest thing. My parents were married for 50 miserable years. They hated each other. The kids all learned how to NOT be in a relationship. They made our lives miserable.
I've always said kids would rather be from a broken than live in one!
It's ironic that many parents stay together "for the kids," but if the marriage is REALLY toxic, the kids know and it makes them miserable, too. When I was growing up, I would sleep over one friend's house, and at the time, being a kid, I didn't know her parents were in a terrible marriage, but looking back, I see it. They were two of the most miserable and tense, angry people I have ever met. When we were teens, her parents finally got divorced and my friend was so relieved.
This is the sweetest thing ever! ❤
I sincerely wish the very best for you both. Now you can take plenty of time to get to know and appreciate each other.
I find It very difficult to take marraige advice from a group that has made a mockery of marriage. They insist you marry because of s*x. They don't care if the post you in different Countries and then force you to divorce because your spouse offended them, not you
In scientology most of them did not know what a good marriage looked like, there are groups all over this planet that make poor choices because they are human and have flaws,not one perfect person exists.
@@sheilacoulton775
And yet, here we are with TWO former scientologists on VIDEO talking about their NEW relationship while ERIN still is married.
You were spot on in your assessment of sci members. They have no clue how tom cruise2.0 they look right now.
@@usaroxx8085 Aaron and his wife stayed together for the sake of their children and Aaron spoke with his wife about a divorce if she wants one right now, she is okay with Aaron being in a relationship as long as he is happy.
@@usaroxx8085why are you going crazy in the comments attacking SPTV and more specifically Aaron? Who is erin?
@@usaroxx8085and you understand these are ex sci members not sci members. Can’t even get your facts right why should anyone believe you on anything?
Thanks to Aaron and Jenna for doing this video. It broke my heart, but also made me realize that marriage in Scientology isn't marriage at all. I feel so sorry that so many had to get married due to the fear of being out 2 D or nearly going out 2 D. Compatibility is so important in marriage. Being together on a day to day basis is as well. You need to hang out and maintain the relationship.
Been in therapy 3 intervals during our 40 year marriage {never-in} we are still plugging along. I had been divorced at 19. He was never married. We have 2 kids 6 grandchildren.
This interview has opened my eyes in sooo many ways. I am a child born of tumor and have suffered for over 40yrs. Finally I'm getting counseling. It is the recent abuse that has brought this in the for front. Thank you🎉❤
It’s nice to see that you are at the stage of finally being able to take the best decision for your happiness rather than by what others will think of you. That is a huge step when it comes to relationships. I’m wishing the both of you the best!
This is a great therapy session about relationships. I would like to hear more. This will work for everyone.
Thanks for this chat. I'm a never-in and so much of your experience applies to me and my marriage. I've been divorced for 24 years and, while I'm so grateful for my kids, I will never marry again.
Aaron this is my favorite live I have seen from you. And that's saying a lot because I've been watching for a very long time. You and Jenna are 👏 individuals who draw strength from each other ❤ I was really upset at first because you don't owe the public anything about😊 your personal life. Those of us that know you know how happy you are with Jenna. She's such a breath of fresh air. You actually smile being around her. You are just two people who lift each other up. Thanks for sharing this. I'm not sure how I feel about you HAVING to tell anything about your personal life but I am happy to see you and Jenna happy.
How could either one of you know what you wanted at such a young age, I totally get that 😊
I knew it!! So excited.
Sammmmmme
I like honesty !!!!!! No, lying or keeping secrets isn't being nice
Oh this is so sweet ❤🥰
Hey, Jenna-
Loved your book!
Still, makes me sad you,and Dallas had to split up,after all that you both went through…
Still, your smile reassures me. I hope you both are well and you are one of the bravest women I’ve ever heard of. Keep up the good work and thank you.
I know kind of how Aaron feels because I stayed married for 23 years to a ex scientologist we were horrible together but I stayed for my kids. He has so many issues from Scientology and I do also and it was just hard . We divorced I married a never in and I have a house and live a much calmer life . My kids are fine .
Jenna, you relayed what your kids had said - that they’ll love you know matter what. That is real love. Doesn’t mean you ignore mistakes or not address problems - in fact it’s the very opposite - but that the love is so pure, it trumps all else, every time. It makes me sad that one of the fundamental learnings of Scientology (not necessarily as a direct lesson or course but rather it’s a compounded effect of life in their system) is that love is conditional. All relationships are conditional and if you don’t perform to a certain standard, you’re out. Out of favour. Out ethics. Ultimately, out and disconnected. In fact, you’re disconnected while you’re in it.
I’m so happy to see that you both understand the unconditional love of being a parent. And with that inner growth, you can now move into a romantic love that rather than being a task to complete along the “bridge” of life, is something that you choose because it enhances your life and builds you up by it’s very nature.🧡
Jenna just has this beautiful poise and grace imo that she must have been born with so thankful the COS didn’t destroy it with all the years of abuse she endured.
Seriously, while at the same time being capable of tremendous agency over herself. This I see as the greatest evidence we have that we DO come here AS someone to be someone to do something we chose to do. Everything is unfolding as it should!
She's about to endure more abuse with her new bf. Yikes.
Jenna, so glad you spent such loving time with your children. Being a mom is the most important job in the world. LRon teaches a false narrative. Children NEED THEIR PARENTS, especially their moms. The early years are so important for a child. They need to feel loved and preotected. Scientology practices the opposite which is frightening
Jenna's book is great.
Yes! More relationship stuff!
I'm learning a lot!
When I think back to my early relationships I am so glad I didn’t have to marry who I was dating then just to spend time with them. Most are still on friendly terms with me but we would not have been good spouses. I met my husband in my early twenties, we lived together after a few months but didn’t marry till we had been together nearly a decade. No kids till a few years after that. He is my heart and we compliment each other in life. Jenna is right. The person can be an amazing person but still not right for you. Two fantastic people can make each other miserable if they are badly suited.
I absolutely love both of you ❤ 🎉 ❤ 😊
I’ve been married 46 years. I was married to someone else for 2 years but realized I’d met my soulmate. I divorced quickly and gave everything up including friends, a house, a business. Married my current husband 10 months later as soon as my divorce was done. No regrets. I was not able to marry in my church because I didn’t have 2000$ for an annulment. Different type of cult. lol. Wish you both luck. A BEAUTIFUL couple. ❤❤
This post was the perfect answer to that "person " slandering you and Jenna. A frank honest discussion. Well done. Look forward to more.
Cuuute ❤
I hope it lasts forever.😊😊😊
19:55-20:25 the most abusive thing you can do to your spouse or significant other, besides actually laying hands on them or using abjectly violent language, is to be habitually dismissive of their thoughts and opinions. when your relationship is on the rocks, and it's due to malignant behaviour that surpasses petty disagreements or annoyances over idiosyncrasies, _you absolutely have to be transparent with your SO,_ or they will not have an appropriate sense or awareness of the harm that's been done to them to re evaluate whether or not it is possible or worth it to them to forgive you. i agree with jenna, if you can't handle or trust after knowing what someone has done, then you probly shouldn't trust them or pretend you trust them in the first place.
Loved this interview. You look happy.
Some people want or need to know the truth and others don’t. It’s individual. The abusive part is being forced to listen to it for hours and hours at someone else’s time frame.
Thank you. Watching from Alaska.
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My husband and I have been together 15 years (2nd for me and 3rd for him) and it hasn’t always been easy. We stayed in our other relationships longer than we should have. Unfortunately people grow apart, values changes or what you want in life changes and that’s ok if you gave it everything you got but you can’t change the other person..doesn’t work. Don’t sweat the small stuff. Pick and choose your battles..some things are worth having world war 3 over. There are times you go to bed mad but our rule is no matter how mad you are always kiss each other good night and say I love you. Some say that people enter our lives for a reason, a season, or a lifetime. Wish the best for both of you!
I loved this! Please do more! 1
I am glad that this conversation happened. Take note of the differences in how you each feel about resolving conflict.
💗💗💗The 👚!!! This was so honest and beautiful and seeing the two of you discussing such a sensitive subject. You two are out in the open while the trolls hide under the bridge!!
NOTE TO AARON: So great to see how easily you open up and share with Jenna. That’s real! And watching Jenna smile/laff when u were discussing u & ur reactions to things was priceless 😊😊. BTW: This was adorable.
My biggest belly laugh of the year was when you two were going thru jenna’s ‘crimes’. You were found innocent of being an accessory? What? Oh wait- because you were the perpetrator 😂
I too am indoorsy and feel zero shame about it. Why would I pretend to be homeless for fun. Nope.
What a great chat! Another area of Cos that is so messed up ! I would love to hear a chat with Nora on this !
Excellent session.
Such a great conversation. This is why your channel shines. I love the honesty and perspectives.
Just a never-in, but from hearing ex-Sciencologists talk about it, it seems to me that COS values marriage only because they know people are going to have sex anyway, and it's the best way of exerting some control over that, especially when you consider their attempts to abort pregnancies.
Bingo!
1. Yes, to more relationship discussions!
Thank you, Jenna and A-a-ron, for this very intriguing topic. It's so different for most never-ins (in any cult!); very informative and eye-opening. 😊💕
Absolutely LOVED this ❤🎉😊
Jenna sounds like she looks forward to arguing and fighting
Your children are so incredibly blessed that you cared enough about them to not abandon them for the group.
Never thought I’d get a divorce. The last 3 years or so were the worst. Contempt from my husband wasn’t as hidden anymore. But he worked different hours, I taught and took care of my kids. Never had a minute to myself to really think about it. I accepted it and it did get where my kids were my world. Because no one wants to be around contempt. When I realized things were going on - I wasn’t even sure what then - and he defended it I was done. Come to find out it was way worse than I realized and way longer than I thought. I still though have guilt with my kids. I never wanted them to grow up in a broken home. It’s never easy on kids and evidently he badmouthed me to them so there’s that. It’s never easy. If one person doesn’t want to work on it you are alone.
Jenna bringing out the rosé shirt in Aaron? Absolutely love it!
Thank you so much for doing this. I have felt almost everything you guys have shared when my ex-husband and I divorced after 20 yrs.
Great video - defintely would like more.
I completely understand what Jenna is saying about family and bullying. I have dealt with that within my family and I finally put my foot down. My husband thought I was being ridiculous but it was very hypocritical when he doesn’t have a relationship with his own family because of things they have done. So he thinks I should just shut up and take it instead of stand up for myself.
My dad is a narcissist and I don’t say that lightly, but he is also very misogynistic. He told me that women don’t belong in the business world. He told me I had no brains because of who I voted for etc.
But I also was born and raised in the Mormon religion. Which we know the similarities. But men have all the power.
My husband is getting better at standing up for me. But still a lot of work to be done. I think my husband has issues when it comes to my dad calling him and saying he needs to do his job as the man of the house.
Anyway, sorry don’t mean to put all my own trauma out here. It’s just the way Jenna put it, really hit home and has given me some perspective to think about.
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